 Yeah, I would say open source is definitely from a central bank perspective a journey and I think we are just at the halfway house But if you look at it from the BS perspective BS is the bank of central banks and central banks are the banks of banks and But the trend that we are clearly seeing is that the banks are really using Open source and are embracing it and that's kind of like traveling upwards now So central banks are using it even BIS is using it So I think think that's the journey that we are seeing and I think just from the perspective of being in an innovation hub You know, we we actually built most of our things at the moment in the cloud and there's a lot of open source things Available and there's no way that we could do the things that we're doing Without having access to all these great open source tools. So so far far perspective. It's great I do hear the concerns about security and longevity and we need to figure those out And there's also been an open tech initiative at BIS. Yes, very briefly So that's the halfway house. I was talking about so we we will be sharing Our code that comes out of the innovation hub with a at least initially with a limited number of participants So everything is it's a github. It has governance. It has licenses But but to begin with it's a it's a little bit of an invitation only but I think basically the trajectory is that we want to go all the way and to an open source a platform in terms of sharing our outputs Yeah, of course because earlier Morton we were talking about also open source is a path to realizing our mission of Financial infrastructure really serving the public good. Yeah, and I think this is really important to call out because It's what Morton just said is huge talking about central banks being comfortable with open source ethos in general really represents this huge cultural shift in a traditionally conservative financial sector, right? And so I think again starting to understand that what we build collaboratively and transparently helps us serve our citizenry more directly Is really important. So again that that underpinning of Open source providing a path for social good. I think is part of what has Brought about and we've started to realize this cultural shift Not to take words out of your mouth. No, I agree Yeah, but but I think one has to remember the central banks are conservative So is this journey that I spoke about I think we're really about trying to move what I call the production possibility frontiers Of central banks and by technology and I think open sources is the best way to do that It's interesting when you say it's sort of leveling up sort of floating up from the the banks the central banks because of course I mean our experience has been with banks that is really Originally about talent and cost reduction really the way they started looking at doing open source Very much like you've seen other industries do, you know, five to ten years ago So not surprising that you know a regulated industry will take a little longer. So to adopt technology trends but more and more you're seeing them really trying to drive faster innovation or really Solving long-standing challenges and that's what we're seeing the move from You know, I'm open sourcing a project to really attract talent to really I'm embarking into an openly governed Shared initiatives which oftentimes involves regulators. That's one of our big goals at Phoenix as well So it's interesting to see that this is actually being perceived and sort of floating up as well at central banks There's a there's a pragmatism to it as well I mean Yet the BIS report right of the number of central banks that are actively on the on the journey of evaluating Central bank digital currency and how to get there, right? It would be Incredibly dystopian if if that was solved, you know, you know 178 different ways in different in terms of thinking about the modernization of our global infrastructure that ability to have Interoperability and have it all hang together, you know that that ability to go through that journey together around some core foundational principles and You know and and governance, you know to you know to make sure that it's done in a way that meets the requirements of systemically important infrastructure at scale and security and the like, you know, there's a pragmatic element of if you know Even if even if this if the community of global central banks were split into four or five different factions that rallied around four or five different You know different vendor solutions, right? We'd we'd still you know, there'd still be a significant effort that would be needed to Weave together the global financial infrastructure in its new form, you know, you know they just incredibly pragmatic to say actually, why don't we just have you know, how have a You know an open source, you know community rallying around those common standards and then allowing the central banks to obviously configure for their own needs Individually but be confident in a foundation