 This is Will Spencer from the Renaissance of Men here with the new 21 report and Jennifer Mlesky. Hi Jennifer, how are you doing? I'm doing very well, how are you? I'm doing very well, thanks. How did you find speaking at the 22 convention this year? This year, I found speaking. You know, I was much more nervous this year. I don't know why, but it went, it went very well. And it's kind of a repeat of last year as far as what it does to me. I really like the honor of being able to speak about the things that I care about. But then I'm kind of greedy in a way because I, I know that I spoke for my one hour, but I get so much more out of everyone, you know, listening to everyone else. And even as soon as we got here, we saw you, we were talking about what you're doing. And then listening to the attorney. Yes. And I just really get pumped up and it, I listened to her before I spoke and she used me into speaking. I'm like, yes! Man! Family, whatever, you know. Is that the title of your talk? The title of my talk was the feminism sucks and the government's coming for you. That's not, that wasn't the title of it, but it was kind of the scope of it. That is a pretty awesome title. What sort of things did you talk about during this time? You know, I tried to get to, I did get to slowly Agenda 21. Oh yeah. And it occurred to me as I was writing the speech and preparing for it, that we are such a matriarchal society and we hate the patriarchy so much that we kick men out of the conversation. And then that turns into hate and vitriol. And that turns into bad family and then more men ousted. But my point to all of this is who's the main, who's the main dude? Who's the main father? It's God the Father. So then we've kicked out God the Father and we've created Mother Nature and Mother Earth. And we're such a matriarchal society that we don't even realize that we've created a single mother. You know, with too many kids and she can't handle it, they're overpopulation. So who's going to come in and rescue? Well, not God the Father, the government will come in. Don't worry, the government's going to come in. So now we have this global government that wants to come in to save Mother Earth and all of us dumb kids are like, yeah, save Mom. But she's fine if we would just let back in God the Father. We don't want to do that because we don't want to actually solve the problem. Yeah, because that involves letting Father back into the conversation which can't be done because Father is bad. Yeah, they're dumb. Yeah, super dumb. Yeah. It's funny because my talk was about almost the same thing. Really? From a very different perspective. Okay. Yeah, I was about how shame has been used to sort of chase men out of society about where the shame comes from and what it's being used for. But nothing about me, let's talk about you. Okay, because I was just going to start to ask you questions. No, no, nothing about me. So did you find that the women were receptive? Yeah, they're always receptive. Okay, cool. It was a lot of the same women as last year, so it was really fun. It's a fun, easy crowd. When my grandpa died a long time ago, there was a woman at church who was like bawling really, really loud. Okay. And my mom said, well, let's say her name is Anti-Rean. She said, Anti-Rean is always a good person to have at a funeral. Because like she represents the feeling that everyone's feeling. Yeah, and she's free about it. And there's a few women who are my, the equivalent to a good person at a funeral. Like they're really great to have in the crowd. Like they laugh at my jokes and they get offended when I want them to be offended. And then that kind of gets the whole crowd in an alliance with the message. Were they, were the women there willing to listen to Agenda 21? I know that a lot of men go pretty hard about larger political aspects, socio-political aspects of it. I just don't know this for a fact, but are women as interested in going that deep with it? Well, no, I don't know. I know you are. Yeah, but I'm even, I think at this point in my journey, I'm a bad representative, you know, so I didn't touch too much on it. Like I told them it's a 352 page document. I even tried to learn how to speed read for the event so I could read the whole Agenda 21. But it's a lot of, you know, lawyer speak and whatnot. But to answer your question, I only mentioned it briefly at the end and it was very well received. I mean, when I show, so with it I showed the United Nations map of where they want people to live. And like the no live zone. And all they want to do is take real men and women that are actual stewards of the earth and remove them and put them into cities. You know, I was on Terrence Pops podcast and we were talking, and I can't remember exactly how the conversation flowed this way, but he said something about feminism has shown the true nature of women. Like hypergamous and whatnot. But wait, no, no, it's fine. Okay, I'll go with you. This is just a theory, but I said I think cities have shown the true nature of women and true nature of men. Because in a city, so we have sent our children from the home into education. And we have public school. Yes, sure. And then we bend the knees so much to education that we send them away from the home to a university to get a mostly impotent degree, which is very expensive and so they have to stay in the city in order to pay off their shitty education. And within the city, there's no reason for real masculinity and there's no reason for real femininity. Because you have police protection, whereas out in the country or in a more broad community, you have to depend upon yourself and your husband and your family and your community and your neighbor. So you take that away. You no longer have to hunt for your food or have a desire to do so because you don't want to drive two hours to stay at Uncle Dan's. You know, I'm just going to go to the grocery store. And you are bombarded not with nature and dirt, but with aesthetic beauty. I would say if I wanted to be better looking, I would just move to New York for a year, just like figure out how to help to do it because everyone there is so stunningly beautiful. But it's a different... There is a lot of beauty there. There is a lot of beauty there. Same with LA. It's a certain kind of beauty. Yes, it is a certain kind of beauty, but that's where people, they lose the touch of femininity and the dirt and the importance of living on the land and they replace it with that kind of beauty. Right. So I think that is not feminism. It is the education system in our bending the knee to it and sending our children away from us into the arms of a very malicious education system that has poisoned the well. I kind of blow my mind right now. Really? I don't know if I'm answering any of your questions because I start to go. That's okay. We're just going to go. We're just going to go. It's fine. But no, what's really interesting you said about the cities have removed the need for masculinity and femininity. You're right. And Arthur Kwan Lee was giving a talk and said the appeal of hip hop is the freedom to be hyper masculine. That's the whole hip hop thing. Like that's ultimate masculinity turned up to 11 violence, drugs, etc. That's the mythos that sold in the hip hop world. Interesting. And that is an acceptable form of masculinity within an urban environment. It's kind of like a law of the jungle type thing. So I was like, that's why that's okay. That's the appeal of that in the urban environment because real masculinity and femininity aren't really needed. So it's sort of caricaturized. It's a concrete jungle. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. So it's getting my mind blown right now. Was that Terrence Pops idea that masculinity had been eliminated by cities? No, it was mine because he said that feminism has exposed women's true nature. Yes. And I don't think it's an exposure of a true nature. I agree. I don't think it is either. No. It's a perfect way to operate within that shitty realm. Yes. Yes. And so I think it's a warping. I get twists in men's women's natures. It brings out some good aspects of creative interchange. The value of city is like information can travel fast between people to create new ideas. But it brings out a lot of the bet. Well, cities now bring up a lot of the worst parts of people. So is it the true nature? That's kind of dark. Yeah. I don't think that's true. Or men or women, right? The true nature, like misanthropy is gross. I don't know what that word means. Misanthropy means that I hate humans. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, and that's also, I think, part of the agenda, 21, is to remove people. And because they don't like, you know, humans are the biggest parasite in the problem and kill the unborn children because it's a parasite. They don't. They don't appreciate anything. Is that true nature now? Although that wasn't tied in. But I'm just saying that would be a bastardization or what word did you say? Misanthropy? Yeah. That would be. I agree. I should just say, yeah, I agree. This is great. So have you gotten the chance to interact with some of the men going to 21 and patriarchs? A few. Not enough to even. Do they recognize you? Like, oh, I see your YouTube channel. It's awesome. Some people. Some people. But now my, since Dale has bought us the homestead. No, no, no. Since I've started homeschooling and staying home full time. And that's all I care about is the business of family. You know what I mean? So I try to care about my YouTube channel. And I do in a way, but it's slowly hemorrhaging. But I'm okay with that. I think it's time to just to practice what I preach in a way. But every so often I do have a message that I want people to hear. But that's not my, that's not my main goal. So to your point, I'm always kind of surprised when people do recognize me. Yeah. You guys left Colorado and you moved somewhere. Yeah. West Virginia. West Virginia. How's the homestead life? Yeah, it's awesome. I love it. Yeah. I've seen it on your YouTube channel. I mean, I perceived it. I don't know that I could have described what it was until you named it. Well, that's interesting. But I'll just answer your question. I very much enjoy it. I've said this before. So if we're going to, if we're going to look at ourselves in a more natural way, I've had my spring season, which is like figuring out who I am being controlled by her rentals and, and everything that is controlling. And that was fine. And then the summer years you're like, oh, here I am. Look at me. You know, and you can go out into the world, into the city typically, and, and figure out the world. But now I'm in the fall and not winter years, but my fall season is here and I want to be closer to the ground and the earth. And I do like the smell of dirt. And I hope maybe I think I might die with a gun in my hand on a field, but maybe a cornfield will be better. I really love that would be a nice way to go out. But I like the smell of the dirt and the corn. And I don't have any desire anymore to have a community. Like I just, I just want my family. No, you must have community. What do you mean by community though? Okay. You're a YouTube community. Yeah. I don't, I don't feel like I need that. I used to have my, my meetup and, and that was really successful for two and a half, three years every Tuesday for two hours, like 15 to 30 people would meet and it was brilliant. I don't miss it. And I don't have any desire to, I don't know what's happening to me. I don't know if this is a phase, but I feel very, very comfortable at home with a few people that I love. You say community is important. And that is one of my messages. But what do you think about me not caring so much about community? Do you think it's just a phase? I don't know. I can say that you need to do what you need to do for you. You ask me is like, if you're feeling like you don't feel the need for community in your life right now and all the different ways it shows up, whether that be online or in person, you want to focus on your home. You want to focus on your stepdaughter. You want to focus on, you know, turning a house into a home and building a home set. I think you should do that and you shouldn't feel the need to need anything that you don't need. Yeah. Yeah. I just kind of watch myself and I'm curious about this version of Jennifer Molaski's unfolding. If you're going into the fall season, you know, I think you're talking about sort of like one life kind of thing where fall leads to winter and winter leads to whatever comes after life, right? But you could be heading into fall emotionally for this year because you know, we are heading in. It's like, just go with your desire to be close to the earth and see what comes out of the other side. You know, that's great. Yeah. And maybe I'm in a more contemplative, you know, I said a bunch of things on my YouTube channel that I believe and I think now it's time to hunker down, read the agenda 21, form new thoughts. Yes. To share with the community. Like a very much big face. That could be. Mm-hmm. So have you enjoyed your experience at 21 over the past couple of years? Yeah. It's been a great year. And every, I can't, I can't recommend it enough. It's like, it's, I've said this before, but if you've never driven through the Rocky Mountains and you drive through, you have to like, you're pumping the brakes and it's just majestic and huge and you can take pictures and be in awe. Mm-hmm. And then people will say, well, how was your trip? And you'll say, look at this, look how amazing. Mm-hmm. And they're like, ugh. It's kind of what? It's like, it's this stupid mountain. But when you're there, it fills you with an energy. Mm-hmm. And I think the same thing with, with this conference. It definitely fills me with an energy that I have never got anywhere else. Wow. And I think maybe it's because, well, no, for sure, it's because I'm surrounded by like-minded people. Mm-hmm. But unfortunately, it's, I said last year, we had to fly here to find each other. Mm-hmm. Because, but it should be the opposite. It's the people who don't want community and who, um, the feminists and the people that hate the Methodists and what? Miss, Missanthropy? Yeah. They should have to get on a plane to, to be- Methodists? No, no, not Methodists. Uh, to hang out with each other. Like, I wish that that was the, the minority. You know what I mean? Yeah. So just to see that I'm not, um, alone. Mm-hmm. Is really nice. And then to hear these brilliant people articulate what's itching at the back of my head. Mm-hmm. Is really wonderful. Mm-hmm. For the past two years. This, this time we flew in yesterday and we leave in a couple hours. So I didn't have, it wasn't as much. I'll never do that again. I think we'll, we'll come here for the whole weekend. Mm-hmm. To absorb everything. It's hard to step away from the homestead. I know. Mm-hmm. And I know. Mm-hmm. So when you get, you actually say that you get like a shot of energy out of coming to the 2011 convention. Yes. Oh, hold on. I want to really gather what I, it is no, I wouldn't call it that. I would say like a, like a, like a rock on a. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Sling. Yeah. And coming here, like I have all this, this energy and this helps me cast the aim for the next year. Mm-hmm. Oh, fly fishing. Okay. I was, it was still a sling. Okay. I've never used a sling. So I'm only imagining maybe this is how you fly fish. But you know, to have the aim, it gets me on course. Mm-hmm. Instead of, that's how I would explain it. Mm-hmm. That's amazing. Yeah. Was this your experience last year too? Yes. Mm-hmm. And which direction do you think 2011's taking this year? The same. Like I just want, it recalibrates me to be more aware of my influence at home and how I can improve it. Mm-hmm. And I always want to be a better wife always because I love Zill so much and I just want him to be like the happiest person ever. So it's good to get different perspectives on how to do that. And it just makes me more aware of my, of who I am, how I show up. I hate that terminology, but how I show up in the relationship. Mm-hmm. That's wonderful. Yeah. I like it. So you're saying some really beautiful things about being a great wife to Dale and you know, about going into your own season and going, we might say like closer, closer to the ground and maybe taking a step back from social media and all that. So, but for women who are thinking about coming to the Twiland Convention or 22 or men even, like what would you say to them? They're kind of on the fence and they're seeing you have a very powerful experience. You're like, what would you share with them to show them, you know, in your own words I mean, I don't know if I can phrase it better than I did. Like, if you want to see the mountains and if you want to feel them, you're gonna have to come here. I can't, you know, it's, I think that your question is kind of reminiscent to some negative men in my comment section will say, like what's the bonus of having a wife? Like, I can't, I can't tell you what love feels like. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I can't do that. It's, it's its own beautiful thing and it's so wonderful that I can't explain it. So, that's how I would explain it is I can't and, and I don't know. I mean, what do you, what do you do for yourself? Every day you do some self love and you read a book and you're trying to always be better. Why not do this thing and be around other people who read the book and do the thing and, and maybe it'll help, it'll help you sling and take that aim for the next year. I mean, look at you. You came here last year and I interviewed you. And you did. And, and now the tables have turned and I wonder if, if this energy slingshotted you and propelled you for one year where now the roles are reversed. That's a big flippin' deal. That was the first time in fact, now that I think about A, that was the first time I'd ever been interviewed on camera in that way and B, it was like Sunday morning because yeah, because I'd been up all night talking to Jack Donovan. Yeah. So here we are in a Sunday morning again, the tables have turned and it was up quite late last night as well. Isn't that cool? That's amazing. Yeah. Of course, yeah. So I get a, a direction that takes me all year and you just hear it. The person who's watching this, you just hear it, Dale lives it. But we have evidence right here of why you should maybe attend. I'm not saying that in one year like you're going to be interviewing me. Might. Might, but yeah. Nothing, nothing negative could ever come of this. This is a, this is a beautiful thing. I couldn't say it any better. Perfect. Let's have one, one more really important question. What's your favorite Ozani recipe? Oh God. I, I like Manicotti. Okay. And it's my mom's Manicotti recipe and it's just meat and cheese and seasoning. And that's it. I know you're taking a step back from your YouTube community and some of your online work, but is there some place you think your content or read or, or no? Oh yeah. I mean, you can always go to, I have like 80 videos at Jennifer Malewski on, on YouTube. And they're fun. You know, like you'll watch one and if you like it, you'll might rabbit hole and really like me or you'll, or you'll downvote it and, and wonder why I'm invited here and you'll dislike me, but, but that would be, no, it's, it's fine though. It's fine. You're right. I have, I have a lot of content and I stand behind everything I've ever said. So, and I have nothing, nothing new to say. And if I do, I'll make a video. Look forward to that. Cool. Thank you, Jennifer. Thanks. Well, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. This is Will Spencer from the Renaissance of Men here with the new 21 report and Jennifer Malewski. Thanks so much.