 Good afternoon, welcome to the 1.45 pm public portion of the closed litigation session of the October 9th 2018 meeting of the City Council. In this part of the meeting, the council will receive public testimony. Thereafter, the council members will move to the courtyard conference room for the closed session. I'd now like to ask the clerk to please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Crohn's absent. He gave notice that he was not going to make closed session. Matthews? Here. Chase is absent. Brown? Here. Naroyan? Here. Vice Mayor Watkins? Here. And Mayor Torazos? Here. Before we open public comment, I have a brief announcement. The city attorney will provide a report on items listed on the closed session agenda at the beginning of the 2.06 pm public session. Are there any members of the public who wish to speak to any items listed on our closed session agenda? I think that's you. So come on up and you can speak. Just go to the mic and you'll have an opportunity to speak. Two minutes. Oh my god. Hi. You guys have already heard from me by mail. My name is Irene Bush, B-U-S-C-H. And I was enjoying on a weekday a very empty Cowl Beach because it was a weekday with low waves, nice placid Cowl Beach. And there was a lot of kelp with those little insects around and there was a tractor with long fangs that come out where he scooped up the man driving the tractor, scooped up the icky kelp, flicked it back and was cleaning up the beach. I was on the north side of the beach, you know, I kind of swam when I saw him and I was hoping he wouldn't get my bag and I swam and swam and I was about the same, I was kind of parallel to him on the north end of the beach and I saw the fork scoop up my thermal big bag that I had a lot of stuff enlisted in the correspondence that you have already received from me. I was screaming from the water, stop, stop, but of course the motor was revving up like a at 300 to 500 decibels so he couldn't hear me but eventually he, you know, I was jumping up and down and he did stop and I said to him, you scooped up my bag with all my possessions, all I had at that time was me and my wetsuit, no towel, no nothing, no keys to my car, no personal possessions and I was stranded and my husband had to come all the way down from Livermore, he works at the lab there and come and rescue me. We were then shown a big pile of icky, fetid, stinky, insecty kelp. You can continue just to wrap up the sentence. But it was too smelly and giant a heap for me to dig through to look for it and I think that's very unfortunate and I think that the, so I did have a brief conversation with him where he said I am very careful this could not have happened and I said you may try to be careful and this happened and I, you know, you can't argue. So, when Jeff was down there, we didn't look, we didn't look. Hey, Miss Bush, if you have your, we have your email address but if you could write it down, I'll make sure someone from the risk management department contacts you in regards to the disposition of the claim after our public session this afternoon. Was I supposed to say I am asking to be compensated for the lost items? I think it was understood but I appreciate you for saying that. So, that's all? Put my email address on? Yes, please. Thank you. Are there any other members who would like to speak to the closed session agenda? Please, go ahead, sir. Speak to the mic. I'm Jeff Bush, Irene's husband and I just wanted to explain what happened. I was in Livermore at work about noon. I think it was August 9th and I got a call from Irene saying that a big bulldozer at the beach had scooped up her bag and she didn't have anything. She had no clothes, no car keys and can I come down and get another set of car keys and rescue her. So, that's what happened. I came down. I spoke to Lifeguard. Lifeguard said, oh yeah, yeah, I was here. He pointed me to a spot where huge mounds of kelp and dirt were. He said, that's where it is. Go look if you want. But I was unable to find anything. So, I just wanted to say I'm corroborating what she said. Thank you, sir. Are there any other members of the public that would like to speak to the closed session agenda item? Seeing none, I will adjourn this meeting to the courtyard conference room where the council will now go into its closed session. See this? Good afternoon. Before we open up this session, I'd like to take a moment just to, for those that haven't read the paper or heard about it directly, really take a moment to remember Judge Jeff Amquist who passed away on suddenly on October 7th, 2018 while on vacation Lyon, France. He was 70 years old. He was a judge of the Santa Cruz Superior Court since October 2003 appointed by Governor Gray Davis and he served as the court's presiding judge in 2010 and 2011 guiding the court through an extraordinarily difficult crisis with great leadership. Judge Amquist most enjoyed the family law assignment in which he sat for the past 70 years in the Watsonville branch. He also sat in the civil and criminal assignments during his bench career. I was greatly saddened to learn of his passing. I just wanted to take a moment to begin the meeting with a moment of silence for him and then, so if we do that I'd appreciate it if we could just silently remember him at this time. Thank you. Okay. Before we begin our regular City Council meeting, we need to have the annual meeting of the Board of Directors of the Industrial Development Authority, the IDA, and the Santa Cruz Public Improvement Finance Incorporation, SEPIFC. City Council members serve as board members on these boards which were created for the purpose of providing the city and instrument to issue bonds. Annually, while the bonds are in existence, the board members are legally required to hold a meeting of the IDA and SEPIFC. The meetings are procedural and for the purposes of approving minutes and electing new board members. So I'd now like to ask the clerk to, well first of all, call to order the October 9, 2018 annual meeting of the Board of Directors of the Industrial Development Authority and ask the clerk to please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor. Director Cron. Here. Matthews. Here. Brown. Here. Naroyan. Here. Watkins. Here. Vice-Chair Terasas. Here. And Chair Chase is absent. Mayor, could I just make a quick comment on Judge Almquist's passing? Yes. Without losing it, I remember going to him for a meeting in 1997 thinking about running for City Council and he was incredibly helpful. He was giving, he was open and very extremely helpful with his years of elective service and just offering that advice really helped. And I share your sadness for his passing. Thank you, Chris. If I may, as well, since you're on this topic. I too have the opportunity to work with Judge Almquist through our youth programs and he has been committed for as long as I've been running the programs to supporting youth and preventative upstream investments in children and so I too was very saddened to hear about that and have been grateful to work with him along the way. Thank you. Okay, we'll go back to the agenda. So, Council Member Matthews. I will go ahead and move the adoption of minutes. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Okay. Aye. Sorry. Those opposed? None. That motion passes unanimously with Council Member Crohn absent, or Council Member Chase absent. Okay, thank you. Are there any, but we'll go actually before I go on, this is something where it is procedural, but are there any members of the public that wish to speak on this item? Thank you. The election of officers. I will move the election of officers as set forth in the agenda report. Is there a second? Second. Okay, motion by Council Member Matthews, second by Vice Mayor Watkins. Are there any members of the public that would like to speak to the election of the officers? Seeing none, I'll bring it back for a vote. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passes unanimously. At this point, I'd like to adjourn the Industrial Development Authority and move on to our main meeting. I'd like to now call to order the October 9th, 2018th annual meeting of the Board of Directors of Santa Cruz Public Improvement Financing Corporation. If the clerk would please call the roll. Director, it's Crohn. Here. Matthews. Here. Brown. Here. Naroyan. Here. Watkins. Here. Vice. President Tarazzo. Here. President Chase is absent. All right. This is for approval of the minutes of the October 10th, 2017 Santa Cruz Public Improvement Finance Corporation. Are there any members of the public that would like to speak to this item? Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the Council for a motion. Council Member Brown. I'll move approval of minutes. Second. I'll give that one. Council Member Naroyan. So, a motion by Council Member Brown, seconded by Council Member Naroyan. All those in favour, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passes unanimously. And I'd like to turn over to the election of the officers for the organization. Move the slate as presented. Second. Motion by Council Member Matthews, seconded by Vice Mayor Watkins. Any members of the public that would like to speak to this item? Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the Council for action. All those in favour, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passes unanimously. Now, we'll go on to the main agenda. And so, good afternoon. Welcome to our 206 p.m. session of the October 9th, 2018 meeting of the Santa Cruz City Council. I'd now like to ask the clerk to please call the roll. Council Member Krohn. I'm still here. Matthews. Here. Chase is absent. Brown. Here. Naroyan. Here. Vice Mayor Watkins. Here. And Mayor Trazos. Here. Now, if I can have the clerk please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Clerk, you were really busy today with the numerous roll calls in the Pledge. Thank you. Okay, so now at this point in the agenda, it's an opportunity to introduce new employees to the City of Santa Cruz. I'd like to first invite up Director of Parks and Recreation, Tony Elliott, who is a new employee himself and is now introducing new employees. Thank you, Mayor, and good afternoon, Council. Yeah, it's my honor today as a two-week-old employee to introduce Matt Heber. Matt comes to us from Breckenridge, Colorado. Matt is with the Parks Maintenance Division. He's in the East Zone. His supervisor behind us is Mike Godsey in the back. So had an opportunity to meet Matt briefly earlier this week. And Matt, in many ways, is kind of an ambassador to the parks. He's got a very infectious, kind of warming smile and greeting. So if you see Matt out in the parks, I think that's the first thing you'll notice. Matt and his wife, Alicia, have two kids originally from Chicago, Illinois. They've moved around a little bit, but are back here in Santa Cruz again on the Parks Maintenance Team. So again, it's my privilege and honor today to introduce Matt to you all. Please say hello to him. He may be out at Arana Gulch, Frederick Street Park, places like that. So again, this is Matt. Hey, thank you. Welcome, Matt. Now I'd like to invite up Director of Public Works, Mark Dettel. Good afternoon. Mark Dettel, Director of Public Works. It's my pleasure to introduce three employees. Next to me is Andrew Camilleri. He's a new service maintenance trainee, works with asphalt patching, cleaning the culverts, sign and replacements. He's in streets and traffic. Andrew was actually was born in Oklahoma and about a few weeks he ended up moving to California. So most of his life in California. He went to high school in San Jose and then moved to Santa Cruz in 1994. Currently lives in Live Oak. He passed work experience. He worked for C Cloud and now is Olitas for 19 years before working in the telecommunications industry in Union City for about three years where he placed fiber optics for the fiber networks. And he's had some junior college studying psychology and biology. And when he's not working, he enjoys riding his bike around town, hanging out with his friends. It's a little beach time and enjoying our fine restaurants. So please welcome Andrew. And next to Andrew is Miguel. Next to Andrew is Miguel Lasaraga. He's our new assistant engineer. He's working with inspections and development review. Miguel was born in La Paz, Mexico and grew up in Santa Cruz. Currently lives in the Seabright area and he's past work experience. He worked for Barry Swenson Builders as a project engineer. Kind of we did a trade. We had a previous position went to Barry Swenson and he's come back. So I guess a player to be named later is Miguel here. And then also worked for Bowman and Williams and Sankasa USA Civil as a project engineer. Went to Bransa 40, new Brighton, Soquel High, Cabrillo College and San Jose State University. And when he's not working, he enjoys outrigger canoeing, scuba diving, spear fishing, Olympic weightlifting, CrossFit, mountain biking and camping. And a fun fact, he also enjoys playing the ukulele. And then you can welcome Miguel. And next to Miguel is Ishell Palito. Ishell Palito, she's our new waste reduction assistant. Works with resource recovery. She was born and raised in Southern California and currently lives in Capitola. Past work experience mainly with environmental nonprofits like Keele the Bay, LA Waterkeeper. And during her time with the organizations, she helped educate underrepresented community members about water pollution in Southern California beaches and the importance environmental stewardship. She attended CSU Long Beach and a double major in anthropology and environmental geology. And during her free time, she enjoys hiking, running and climbing at the local gym. Fun fact, she's bilingual and can speak Spanish. So please join me in welcoming Ishell. Welcome. Welcome to each of you. Okay, now I'd like to invite up the director of water, Rosemary Bernard. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. I'm pleased here to be here today to introduce Sydney Grubb, who's a new assistant engineer one with the water department. Sydney grew up in Brantwood, but she's come to us recently from her college education, which she graduated from Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo last June. And she moved out here to Santa Cruz to take the job that we offer to her. I think she's been here maybe about a month now, or maybe a little bit longer. Sydney has done internships before with Shelter Dynamics, which is a private design and construction company, Santa Clara Valley Water District in the city of Redwood City. So she's been working as a number of things related to the water resources issues. And she likes to spend free time visiting with family, friends, relaxing on the beach, reading, hanging out with her cat, and finding any new craft or art projects. So the next time we're around when we have the City Art exhibit, we'll be looking for works from Sydney. And she's planning on attending some evening classes at Cabrillo College starting next semester. Sydney's going to be working for us specifically on the groundwater management issues. She's already been starting to do some works on looking at groundwater monitoring for our wells in the belt area, the part of the Mid County Groundwater Agency. And we had a nice chat about everything that's going on in Mid County, which is a lot right now. So she's got a really good opportunity to be involved in all the groundwater sustainability planning work that's going on in the area. So please welcome Sydney Groob. Last meeting we had one of the council members from our sister cities, and he was here for the introduction of new employees. And they said they didn't do that in Italy, but he's going to start recommending they do that there as well for all new employees at their meetings. That was nice that he was able to see that, because it's sometimes unique in other places. I'd like to now invite up the Young Writers Projects. I'd like to invite up Giulia Ciapella, the director of the Young Writers Program, and Martha Mendoza. There's going to be a workshop this coming weekend, and they have also Connie Bertuca to talk about the program for us this afternoon. Good afternoon. Thank you, Mayor and council members, for having us here today. I know that I sent along a video, which I'm not sure if we were able to get to... Oh, it's going to play. Okay. Do you want me to play it now? Well, first I just want to say thank you very much for the proclamation today. And as you may know, the Young Writers Program has been around for a few years now, and this essay workshop we are having on Saturday is for our local high school students. And as a project of the Santa Cruz County Office of Education, we are working to embed writing as a significant aspect of students' education. We believe it's absolutely necessary for our democracy, for their critical thinking skills. So we really appreciate this proclamation, and we'd love to have you take a look at the video. Fourth grade in Notre Dame Academy in Los Angeles, California, I happened to write a poem that subsequently received a lot of attention from the teacher. It got a nice little silver star and a red star, and it got put up on the board. That's a small bit of attention for a small little poem, but it was huge in my mind. The Young Writers Program began in the fall of 2012 as a project of the Santa Cruz County Office of Education. We wanted to generate an opportunity for students around writing that includes plenty of revision and is geared toward publication. So students' writing is gathered into professionally designed and produced books that are then available for purchase to the public through local bookstores. This creates a powerful incentive to write. What's unique about the Young Writers Program is that it affords students an opportunity to have one-on-one attention with a writing mentor. We recruit volunteers from the community who are trained to work with students and their writing, and they work with students for about six to eight weeks, a couple times a week for an hour each time, in grade four through twelve public school classrooms, and in our afterschool writing center, the Word Lab. I think that our public school teachers are put into a bad situation by having 35 students in a classroom, and there's just no way that they can give each of those students the individualized attention that each of them deserves. And so I think having this additional afterschool space for them to tap into that creative writing part of them is really important. I'm used to spending most of my time in isolation with 35 adolescents and to have six to nine members of the community to come and help share my experience and share the experiences of my students is invaluable to everyone involved. Teaching children how to write is a craft, and Young Writers Program brings another level to this, where no longer is it just an assignment, it becomes a part of their life, and something that becomes extremely personal and important to them. The feedback on the NYS program has been nothing short of stellar, and that's from teachers, students, and volunteer participants. I had an opportunity to go to one of the school readings a while back, and the audience was back with parents and students, and the students had an opportunity to go up and express themselves publicly through their writing. It's making a difference. It's making a difference in their writing, in their test scores. I'm very pleased to be a part of the program. Writing requires attention. There's no way around that. It requires an adult to listen to a child and to guide them and to hear them, to really hear them, and you can't do that when you have 30 kids and you're just one adult. The Young Writers Program, through the Word Lab, the Chamber of Heart Mystery, and through a lot of their other programs finds a way to bring a passionate teacher in front of a passionate student to allow them to develop their voice. Kids have a lot of emotions. They're going through a lot of things. Their families are going through a lot. They can come to Word Lab and sit down next to an adult who is so invested in them and cares so much about them and about their writing that they can open up and start to process their emotions through this creative way. I've definitely started enjoying poetry and writing in general, because for a while, writing was something I absolutely hated. Just something I couldn't really enjoy or get creatively into. So it's definitely something that I can honestly say I enjoy now, and my view and outlook has definitely changed. One of the things that was so important to me as a teenager growing up and what encouraged my sense of myself as a writer was my high school teacher, Mr. Black. And as a teenager who had been moved frequently and who tended to suffer from bouts of depression, his focus on my writing probably saved my life when I was a teenager. Writing has huge capabilities to not only save individual lives, but to change the world. Thank you so much City Council for supporting us. And I just wanted to say a little bit about what's happening this weekend and how it came about very briefly. For many years here in Santa Cruz as a writer, I was called by anybody who knew me at college essay time to help their kid through their college essays. And I always was happy to do that, but it was becoming very busy every fall for me to have one-on-ones with lots of kids. And when I approached Julia and the Young Writers Program about codifying this into something bigger, she immediately said yes and Connie was ready to go. And so now in our fourth year, we've helped hundreds of kids through their college essays. The young men and women in Santa Cruz have incredible experiences and have done and been through so very much. And to coach them through telling those stories, getting them and writing, and having them be something that's going to catch the eye of a college admission officer is really an honor and we have an incredible day together. So thank you for your support and I look forward to seeing some of you on Saturday. Thank you. Now just read a little bit of the proclamation, but founded in 2012, the Young Writers Program supported over 1,900 students county-wide in their writing. And the program has established the Word Lab, Chamber of Heart and Mystery at the Santa Cruz Museum of Art and History. And for the past six years, the Young Writers Program has produced over 40 professionally produced publications of student writing. And the Young Writers Program will hold its fourth annual college application essay workshop on October 13th, 2018 for high school juniors and seniors looking for guidance in writing their college essay applications this year. Now, therefore, I, David Terrasis, Mayor of the City of Santa Cruz, do hereby proclaim the week of October 7th through the 13th as Young Writers Program week in the City of Santa Cruz and encourage all citizens to join me in congratulating them on their contributions to the Santa Cruz community. So thank you. As I walk down, can you tell the public on how students that might want to attend the workshop, how they might do that? Absolutely. So students can go to the Young Writers Program website at youngwriterssc.org. And our events page there will guide them to the registration both for October 13th this Saturday and October 24th at Pajaro Valley High School. Hey, get one for Ferris here. Hey, back in line. David, I have a couple of questions too, if I could ask. Just one other question. I do recall in the past you're recruiting for coaches for the college essay. And obviously it's too late for this year, but we have, and usually we do that by word of mouth. So far that's sufficed. So I'm not sure how we'll start to do that differently in the future, but we tend to have a lot of people that respond and are very anxious to do this because the day is incredibly rewarding as Mayor Terrasis can attest to. So it's a wonderful day for our community members. And Rochelle has been there too. And so has Council Member Chase. So we tend to get the word out as best we can. So if you would like to help with that at any point, that would be terrific. Yeah, thank you. I'll confirm that it is incredibly rewarding, especially seeing kids that go to college or that leave and you see them back in the community and you recognize them and talk with them about their experience. So I'm looking forward to being there tomorrow or Saturday. Okay, thank you. Now I'd like to invite up a presentation from Food What and Beckman's. This is Doron Comanchero from Executive Director Food What, and I don't know if Skye is with you. Skye is with his baby. Okay, there you go. So thanks. I just thought being, it's getting him to the holiday season. We just had the harvest festival. This would be an appropriate presentation. Got a little tutorial from Bonnie before I began. All right. All right. Good afternoon, everybody. Hello, everybody back here. My name is Doron Comanchero. I'm the Founder and Executive Director of Food What, and thank you for having me. There's a million Food What things that I would love to share with you. But Mayor Terrasis invited me today to talk a little bit about our collaboration with Beckman's. And so I have a few slides, and I'll give you a quick overview first of all. So I think it was about two years ago, Mayor Terrasis said to me and to Skye Quinn, who's in upper management at Beckman's, you guys should know each other. You're both feeding a lot of people. Something great could happen. And so he came up to our Santa Cruz site and we showed him around, started talking about the youth empowerment and food work we're doing. And he said we should make a product together. And this is great because the previous year we had done sauerkraut with Catherine Lucas from Farmhouse Culture is a total hit. From every aspect of the process was a job training opportunity for the young people that we serve. It was, it's fun, it's hands-on, it's experiential, and it's totally sandwiched right in our mission of growing food, harvesting it, sharing it with the community. So I brought a few slides and I'll start with this slide. So this is Eustolia planting this year's crop. So this is what most people think of when they think of a pumpkin. I literally grabbed this out of the ground, so I apologize if there's leaves. And do you know what this is called, this part of the pumpkin? Padunkel. It's just a fun word to say. So I grabbed this on the way out. But we plant a variety called red curry, which is technically a winter squash, and we plant a few hundred row feet and it yields about double that in poundage and then yields about half that in pies. So this is Eustolia. She's planting in probably June. This is Jimmy also putting the seeds in the ground. And so I just showed you the beginning of this year's crop. This is the end of last year's crop. So Abby, who's in the top left, she's a recent Santa Cruz High alum and she was in our, she was in our fall program last year. And in the top right corner, she and Ozzie, who recently graduated from Renaissance High School, that is the two of them pouring, basically pouring the pie mixture into the shells at Beckman's. And what's really amazing about this partnership is Beckman's being a 30 plus year institution in this community. I remember when I first moved here and I was going to the farmer's market and I just remember seeing this plethora of Beckman's pies. I mean there and breads and of course cookies and everything. So Skye said, you know, we as a company, we really want to support young people. We really want to do something that gives them real world training and job opportunities. So we basically, we at Food What, we plant the seeds, we maintain the crop, we harvest it, we let them cure, and then we bring it to Beckman's and over two days we'll make the pies. And this year we'll make close to 300 pies. And so what are we doing? We are, we're slicing, baking and scooping and they have these amazing, these amazing ovens. They're actually called walk-in ovens, which sounds like a terrible thing for a human being. But you walk in and you put all the, all the trays in and then you walk out, you shut the door and everything moves and it's, the youth are sort of like, oh this is like Disneyland. This is really cool except we're making food. So I thought that was really positive. And you could see them. The first day was all about creating the stuffing and then the second day we come back and pour off all the pies. We work with the Beckman's team to come up with a logo. I think that's, here we go, youth-powered pie and sourced with organic pumpkins, sewn, grown and baked in Santa Cruz by Food What Teens in partnership with Beckman's. And what's really exciting is last year we made 140 pies. We kept 40 to give to the youth and their families and we do a little Food What Thanksgiving and then we sold 100 and we sold them very easily. And that was wonderful for a non-profit to have an income-generating stream. We sold them for around $20 and so that was $2,000. That was the biggest pie sale, you know, bake sale you could imagine with tons of job development in the way. And this year we actually have a third partner involved, which is New Leaf and they're very excited to promote this. So they're going to put these in all of their stores, put it in their circular that goes out and social media. So it's really become an opportunity for our youth to see their products all over the county and even beyond Half Moon Bay and things like that. Went too far. Now she's over there, hold on. Yeah and this is El Stolia and Ozzy last year selling the pies. We also did some marketing at the downtown market and the last thing I'll share and if there are any questions or comments is I was hoping to get one of the youth who worked on this last year to come and the one who may have had an opening in her Cabrillo schedule was Evelyn and she unfortunately wasn't able to come because she did have a class today, which is wonderful. But I did think about it would have been a little ironic because she's the only vegan on the cruise so she actually never tasted the pies but she was very proud of it and she would have really shared a lot of the process and what it meant her to create something and spread it throughout the community. So the last thing I'll say is I really appreciate being called in today. I think you blew it. I think this is the wrong day to have had me because if you had me a month from now I probably would have been leaving a pie with you. You can always come back. Oh I see how this works okay now I'll make sure that the mayor gets a pie and everybody gets a slice especially you thank you for all your help and yeah that's it I just wanted to share a little bit about what we're doing so thanks for the opportunity today. Absolutely are there any questions Sandy? I actually just have a comment I want to say that this program is very near and dear to my heart. I've been acquainted with the students over the years in the program and no Jerome and others who have worked with the program and I just think I mean it's obvious that it's an amazing program. This is an exciting partnership so I but I want to say that when I I worked for a local farm for many years and one of my roles was to to give farm chores and food what came in it was in the early years yeah I think it was 2006 when did you guys start seven or eight yeah seven or eight okay and so I mean we did tours with you know people from all over the world delegations lots of people from the sustainable ag world and the the students from the the young people from food what by far asked the best questions really probing questions they really wanted to understand how the farm worked they wanted to understand what it was like to work on a commercial farm and it was just amazing then I had the privilege of living right next to a farm that operate in Santa Cruz for a long time free will and farm and the food what crew would come out and I also was at I did work at home for some days of the week and I remember when they would come the excitement just like filled the field in front of my house and I would go out there every opportunity I had so I could interact with them and get to know them and it was just amazing to see how excited they were about the program and amazing to see your program grow so thank you sandy I you know I encourage people to learn more about food what and support this program however you can Chris I'm going to pile on to that because we've known each other for a while and we sent a lot of interns to food what but what's really important about the program is in my I think is that it provides an outlet for high school students which is something that's really missing as far as working with your hands and agriculture and stuff and because we have a great life lab program in Santa Cruz County but it only goes up to a certain grade you know sixth grade you generally and I think food what really found a niche and there's a ready audience out there as you've proven thank you so much yeah thank you yeah I'll just say I really am happy that this partnership works and I know that Sky you know other did get a brand new baby but they're also very excited at Beckman's in terms of how they can work with you and so it's great to see youth working and also creating a new revenue for you and your nonprofit through a local business so congratulations yeah thank you very much thank you all have a good day thanks okay I have a few announcements and then we'll move on to our regular meeting today's meeting is being broadcast live on community television channel 25 and streaming on the city's website at cityofsantacrews.com Jennifer Cameron is our technician this afternoon and evening and I like to thank her again for her work all city council members can be emailed at city council at cityofsantacrews.com if you'd like to communicate with us about an agenda item we'd like to receive your email by Monday at 5 p.m. before our council meeting by sending it then it will provide us with an opportunity to review your email and include it with the rest of our agenda packet please bear in mind that all items of correspondence with the city and city council constitute public records and are generally subject to disclosure upon request by any member of the public accordingly if you have sensitive or private information that you do not wish to be made public you should not include that information in your correspondence our rules of decorum are on the window ledge to my left it's my job to keep the meeting running without disruption and we ask that you respect your fellow citizens whether you are inside or outside of the chambers during the meeting at this point I'd like to ask any council members if there are any statements of disqualification it doesn't look like any and clerk are there any additions or deletions no there okay so in regards to oral communication some of you may have seen that there's going to be a break at 4 30 for a closed session item we will have our regular session oral communications at 5 30 and oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community to speak to us on any items that are not on today's agenda oral communications generally occur at the conclusion or afternoon of business at around 5 30 p.m but may occur before that time please note council members again will be adjourning the the regular session at 4 30 p.m for the closed session and we'll come back at 5 30 from closed session to hear oral communications now I'd like to ask the city attorney if there's any report out on the closed session yes thank you mayor trazos members of the city council this afternoon's very brief closed session began at 145 in the courtyard conference room with one's category of business to discuss and that was liability claims the claims of Irene bush james e lewis and harlon d graves and those claims are also listed as agenda item nine on your consent agenda and there was no reportable action thank you and is there a report from the city manager yes thank you mayor just a couple of things first I wanted to let the council know that electrify america who announced its next 200 million dollar investment in zero emissions vehicle infrastructure in california they've according to their plan the santa cruz watsonville metro we will see up to three dc fast chargers installed along the uh our corridor here as well as other investments and the the result of this is because of the city's effort to submit two proposals on behalf of a local team here and so we're very pleased that they're going to be investing in in the city and or in the region and of course this helps to support our climate action milestones one of which is to reduce the number of uh or carbon emissions from vehicles by 20 and so obviously this is a good thing for the city to receive this amount of funding and then secondly i wanted to just to turn it over to bonnie who is going to introduce uh chip and the new downtown ambassador program so you get to meet some of the new folks on this new program thank you martin good afternoon um mayor and members of the city council i just briefly um want to um you all know chip so i don't need to introduce chip but i briefly just wanted to provide a little bit of context to the downtown ambassadors because a lot of this work has been happening through the downtown management corporation and so i just wanted to provide a little bit of context many of you will remember uh the host program that we used to have for many years in the downtown um that program was jointly run by the city through the downtown management corporation and a much beloved uh gene uh remeeris who retired um from running the business in fact we actually helped her set up her first business to run that for a number of years after she left um we looked at alternatives um downtown to continue sort of that host program there are a number of organizations businesses are out there but for the funding that we had available we couldn't actually make it work so we started a pilot program with the rangers really putting on the rangers a lot which was to do the host services as well as some of the enforcement downtown so we tried that for two years i think they did a really good job but as the dmc board we decided that we really wanted to bring back an element that uh was really focused on customer service providing a friendly downtown experience um back to the downtown and so through the downtown management corporation we now have and presenting to you today the downtown ambassadors and so um this is a sort of a joint program it's it's actually will be administered by the downtown management corporation but it's a contract with the downtown association and so that's how we're actually able to financially make this work um but it is a joint program and i just wanted to assure you that the downtown rangers will continue in the downtown um so this will be a whole team effort including the downtown outreach workers as well um so with that i will turn it over to chipp thank you bonnie uh good afternoon uh mayor treises city council members i am chipp i'm the executive of the downtown association and uh bonnie covered a bit we're going to go through a really quick presentation and give you an update on our ambassador program uh that we launched a week ago yesterday in the downtown we can go ahead and um and this is as bonnie mentioned it really is a partnership in in every sense of the word it's a partnership with the city of santa cruz the downtown association and the downtown management corporation and um this is our mission this is an important i want you guys to to know this it's our mission for the program's mission is to be the best part of people's day in downtown santa cruz uh and sonia who i'm going to introduce in a moment is going to talk about how we're doing that uh go ahead um and uh bonnie covered a bit of this but we were able to launch this quarter with some support from the economic development department beginning uh january 1st of 2019 the program will be funded by an existing assessment of property through the downtown management corporation and uh many costs there there is some leverage for some costs and overhead since the downtown association is running the program and shared staffing and shared office space and some other office some other costs that we're able to to minimize uh thank you so our goals um among our goals we're we're hoping to improve the perceived public experience of downtown santa cruz um add value and perceived value to the district and improve the support in responsiveness to the businesses there are the perceived support and responsiveness to the businesses and also strengthen the downtown community i'm going to a little bit of how we're achieving those goals but i want to introduce our director of operations who's uh managing the day-to-day of this program and who i believe you all know um sonia brunner thank you good afternoon council members uh sonia brunner director of operations with the downtown association and it's my pleasure to introduce two of our five ambassadors meg valema and mochello towness these are both of our full-time ambassadors so each of them working uh the sunday through wednesday and then the other half of the week and um basically just to give you an overview of the program the ambassadors will be proactively looking for visitors who might need assistance whether it's finding change uh where's the change machine or whatever it is they're looking for a specific place or directions to the beach um proactively communicating with downtown businesses and their staff a lot of businesses have already found them very helpful identify report and resolve vandalism graffiti waste debris and cleanliness issues so just kind of doing their part also to pick pick up trash light trash that's on the ground um and do public safety reporting uh also to observe and report criminal behavior and any other public safety issues um they will liaise on with the relevant city staff and other downtown partners such as uncle poop and uh the kiosk staff and the rangers the police the park workers the outreach worker the homeless outreach worker uh and so on they will also track reoccurring issues and work with partners to problem solve and continually look for new ways on how to help improve each block and um if you have any questions for them i think afterwards we will open that that's my nutshell harrick and i want to also let you guys know about a community app we launched in concurrent with launching this program we we found this app which we initially research for the ambassadors to keep track of the activity they're doing on the street and then we've made the app available to the business community downtown in residence and anybody else who would like to use it it's a great app that the downtown community can use to contact the ambassadors we also have buttons to reach the rangers the emergency dispatch and non-emergency the homeless outreach it's a great way so you don't have to keep track of all those numbers or who to call it's right there it's also linked to the city's new reporting app the crisp app and it also gives people the ability to report downtown specific issues i'll give you a quick couple of examples of things we've already gotten this week and there's a post from one of our downtown businesses who is very excited i have to say going back to the the the partnership of this all of the things that sonia listed that the ambassadors are doing obviously they're not doing on their own and we can't do without the city support and the responsiveness of the city staff already this week has been outstanding extraordinary this was a business reported this cobwebs on the lamppost which is something not a lot of people look up so you don't always see that and rich smith from the city was out there the next day and cleaned him up and we're getting the block cleaned up so we've gotten a number of this was day one of the program we got a report of some trash in an alley behind sienna crews and that was reported towards the end of the day on october first and on my i took the second picture on my way into work and i didn't come in that late so it's that the response has been really wonderful and very quickly quick so happy to answer questions we're very excited about the program and having the extra presence downtown to just support the community in downtown and happy to answer any questions for for any of us any questions sandy andy thank you for the presentation i if you don't mind i wouldn't i'd like to hear from the ambassadors those who are actually getting out on the street just to your thought your initial thoughts on the experience good afternoon i'm charlotte annes and i want to say thank you i'm thrilled about this new program it is a whole new world for me and i'm loving every minute of it being out there helping the people cleaning up just being there in a good presence a smile can change around someone's day and i'm just enjoying it learning a lot and again i'm grateful thank you i am meg and also thank you very much for having us here um i would have to say what i think of what we do each day is see a need fill a need um across the board from businesses to um interacting with some of the homeless that are out there and um just bringing a smile on people's face and anyway we know right god chris i'm really excited you're here too i heard a lot about the downtown hosts and people missed it and it's going to be a totally different but you know it's going to really be helpful um meg quick question put you on the spot here undergrad from new york arrives looking around comes over to you and goes he's from he's from the city he's from brooklyn actually he says so you only get one one shot at this where where's the best place to get pizza in downtown the best place to get pizza yeah what do you say to a new york uh i would probably send you over to joes thank you oh wow i love it you should turn it back on him and ask all right um i'll i'll just have to say if there's any other comments or questions but um for me you got to member matthews um i will just say as a member of the downtown management corporation board with rachel um this to me has been a really positive part of the ongoing evolution of the downtown host in its many iterations program it is funded by an assessment on property owners it's important that it be responsive to the interests of the property owners and by extension the businesses downtown and um i've served on a whole lot of boards in my day and it's really um it's a pleasure to serve on a board that's constructive and does its critical thinking and looks of ways to to continually improve the services that they provide and we are excited about this new partnership this new contract um so that's the report it was a great discussion at the board level and one that has been unanimously embraced i think it's really important for people to understand that um we are not you know you're not out there to take the place of the police officers in the rangers that are patrolling because that was the question a lot of people came to me and asked and said well wait a minute you're you know you're not replacing our police presence with downtown ambassadors i said absolutely not that's not the case you are performing a function that is much different than what law enforcement is performing and i think it's really important the community know that thank you for bringing that if i can really just add on to that i think this program really can't be successful without all of the other resources that are in place the rangers do a tremendous job of enforcement we're really looking forward to working more closely with them and helping um not only the enforcement but the homeless outreach workers the sidewalk cleaners and everybody who is working downtown helping to to be more more efficient because we have eyes and ears and we can really help help everyone who's working but we can't do it without any of the existing resources that that the city provides and and the other agencies provide and i'm just curious have you had your ambassadors out at a time when you were you out there when uc santa cruz came back into session this year that would have been like the first weekend or the last weekend in september or the unit into when uc sc's i was just curious because i was curious if you noticed an uptick in the number of people needing your assistance and asking questions if we've had that experience yet with the students or if you get questions from the students it's starting out because well i'm putting you on okay um yes i believe there is a more um a lot more uc sc students out there um for instance this morning there was a group of them um four out of the five were smoking and i had to kindly ask them you know to put it out and please take their butts with them and just then chip was with me and we engaged on where they're from and you know welcome them to have a happy day and welcome them here and just ended up peacefully they were sorry they didn't know so it's just a matter of just common courtesy and just you know instructing it so you know make the rules aware um great great okay i'd just like to say it's it's wonderful to see you downtown as often as i do i mean having the visibility and so not just the friendly smiles but also the additional eyes on the street to see when there's things that need help or how we connect this city to make sure that we're keeping it you know clean and vibrant downtown it really makes a difference i i get copied on those c-click fix notices and it's really nice to see that you know the responsiveness that happens when when those reports are made so i really want to thank you and i look forward to seeing you downtown thank you very much go ahead i wanted to add that uh they will be out there the program is seven days a week monday through sunday and 10 a.m to 8 p.m are the hours um that they are out on pacific avenue and the side streets uh from laurel street to water street and um we have lots more information on our website downtown sanacruz.com slash ambassadors it's easy to download i just did great hey thanks thanks sonia chip and and again thank you for the presentation thank you in closing let me just just say the the program's a week old and we really want feedback we want to make this really work so i get to know the ambassadors get to know the the um the program and shameless plug they will all be at the downtown party this friday at 6 p.m if you want to come by there are some still some tickets we're having a really fun our second annual downtown party so you can come talk to the ambassadors then thank you so much all right thank do we get pie now is that come back come back come back thank you all all right thank you thank you all right first up is there's no comment on the presentation but okay yeah i just want to um note that the university of california law school public clinic released a 46 year study you're out of order i need you to sit down sir their business improvement districts in california including those in san francisco habitually harass the homeless the study also suggests that the b.i.d political spending okay i turn the mic this is a um we just so we've already had that item teeth article in this san francisco weekly thank you thank you there first up is a consent agenda these are items three through 13 on our agenda all items will be acted upon in one motion unless an item is pulled from a council member by council member for further discussion are there any council members who wish to pull any items from the consent agenda council member brown well i just have a comment on item eight and i'd like to pull item 13 for brief conversation council member matthews um i would actually like to pull eight for a rather minor comment and adjustment hopefully and um have a brief comment on 10 doesn't need to be 10 yeah i was going to make a comment on 10 right okay so eight you'll have the comment so we're going to pull it anyways and so we'll have that um council member crown um just a uh a comment on six and a question on 10 okay do you want a question or we're just going to have comments you want would you like 10 pulled for that question is it a comment or i mean it's more you know wanting to know where the fire truck is going who's what happens to it okay i'm going to pull fire truck i think i'm going to pull 10 for the question just so we do that and then also cover it so um the items that have been uh pulled are eight 10 and 13 with uh comment on item six and that was uh did the comment on six is that correct who had the comment on six yeah okay um are there any members of the public that wish to speak to any item on the agenda with the consent agenda with the exception of eight 10 or 13 anyone six six is there just a comment eight 10 or 13 okay seeing none i'll bring it back to to the council um or a motion motion to approve um everything except eight 10 and 13 second okay that's motion by council member doroyan second by council member brown um any further discussion um now before we do the vote um you had a comment on six yeah i just wanted to say um this is part of the uh continued extortion from cell phone companies and we fought it off one time before it's called the streamline act i call it the steamroller act because it's steamroll china steamroller over city's rights and i'm appreciate the mayor putting this on i appreciate the uh league of cities bringing it to our attention and um let's keep up the good fight all right great okay so we have a motion in a second i could not agree more i just had to put that in because i find this so offensive great thank you okay so we have a um a um a motion by council member doroyan second by council member brown um this is a consent agenda agenda with the exception of items eight 10 and 13 all those in favor please say aye who's opposed that motion passes unanimously with council member chase absent so now we'll start with item number eight and council member matthews you had the question on this yes um i really appreciate the work of the council ad hoc budget committee and um the brief report that they submitted um i did notice that one component remains to be brought back to us the um budgetary policy and principles for 2020 and we are i talked with the finance director about this um that's to come back to us it's it's pretty well formed already um is to come back to us in november um but i did want to add include in the motion just to be specific and i should say also i understand that the budget principles do include the assumption of forecasting um but i would like to add in addition to the motion as it's presented that we request that the budgetary policy and principles for 2020 which are still to be completed include specific consideration of contract negotiations in the coming year so it's a very simple addition yeah sure i'll second is that a motion yeah i'll second okay motion by council member matthews second by vice mayor walkins is there any member of the public that would like to speak to this item um this is the council ad hoc budget committee seeing none i'll bring it back to the council for further direction we have a motion on the floor from council member matthews vice mayor walkins and you also had a comment i just have a quick comment uh so i appreciate getting this uh the final report here and uh we will be getting the um the principles for uh i guess our november agenda so that's good i just wanted to say that you know being involved in this process was uh really gratifying for me because i think that we did uh you know we did a lot of work uh in the subcommittee and with staff to try to streamline the process and i think that worked really well so i'm looking forward to continuing to do that and i noticed that the agenda report came from staff but i just wanted to say that i know in our our conversations in the subcommittee we were very much supportive of moving this forward so um that our names weren't officially on the agenda report but we had all decided that this was a really great way to move forward so just wanted to make sure that was clear thanks for everyone for uh your work hi i'm marcus minotel your finance director and that report is is from the budget ad hoc committee i'll take care on that it's just uh when we were getting into the system but what i really wanted to say is i really commend the committee they did some amazing work in a very short period of time a lot of work a lot of lifting a lot of community outreach a lot of real thoughtfulness and i'm really proud of of the product of it and and i appreciate all the work on the budgetary principles and they're almost i mean i think they're effectively ready to go and be happy to bring those back to you great yeah i'll say that i i was really happy to to work together with um vice mayor walkins and councilman brown i thought it was great it started a new process in terms of community engagement on the budget and then also getting some external uh reports from outside um you know agencies to look at what how we benchmark against them in terms of where we are in terms of staffing where we are on budget costs it was really helpful i think to kind of do those comparisons and i hope those continue i mean i hope we start to even look at how the group that helped us last time maybe is engaged in expanded or have some new new people involved as well to provide different perspectives and thank you if i just remembered as you mentioned it uh that was i think one of the most exciting uh elements of the process was having a focus group where we invited people from the community to participate in uh some discussion at the front end and i hope that those of you in the audience and others listening um follow us and and want to um perhaps get involved in future focus groups because i think that is really important um outside look at the budget for us i'll just briefly say thank you so much also it was a it was a great experience and i appreciated the process and i also just really want to acknowledge marcus and his staff and tracy for all their work it was a really busy time and really pulling this together in a really comprehensive way it was was really beneficial to all of us i'd say so thank you and i look forward to continuing it next year and if um council member mathy you restate that motion please i i while you're getting that council member crown just a question when is the person going to be appointed to this uh subcommittee uh next week monday thank you i'll read the whole thing it's just one addition to the existing motion motion to form a f y 2020 city council ad hoc budget committee appoint prior committee members vice mayor walkins and council member brown with one additional mayor appointee receive a report on f y 2019 ad hoc budget committee and request that the budgetary policy and principles for 2020 still to be completed include specific consideration of contract negotiations in the coming year okay is that clear and that's second you seconded that motion by smart walkins any further discussion all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed that motion passes unanimously and next up is item council member chase absent with council member chase absent thank you the next sign was count uh item number 10 and really this was you had a question council member crone but before you do that um i was going to just be prepared to make a comment and say how timely it was to have this particular item come before us to have new resources in the field to address our fire danger and so um i think that having it before us now as a consent items was something where it was very routine but um it was it warranted maybe if you had some additional uh comments you wanted to make about how this resource will help us um and address council member crone's question on that where the where the vehicle would be located was that the the question no where the old vehicle going where the old vehicle will be going it's part of your just brief response yeah the old vehicle will be surplus um we don't have uh current capacity within our existing stations to keep that number of vehicles um and it's outlived it's a useful lifespan it's 17 years old it's two-wheel drive it doesn't have the modern uh equipment and safety features on it as far as suspension uh seat belts uh and and the pumping uh it's a really unique piece of equipment in the sense that um it's a short wheelbase um it's four-wheel drive and unlike our other engines that once you get to a place where we need to pump water you have to um uh divert the inner or the power from the motor to the pump uh these type three engines have the ability to what we call pump and roll and so in an area like pogo nip or in ronigaltra grassy field you can actually drive while someone is falling with a hose line and um putting water on the on a grass fire and so it's a mobile uh what we call mobile attack um and and a lot of our areas in pogo nip and uh ronigaltra and in dolabyega we can't get our larger engines into those areas as readily or as safely um so we're really appreciative that uh measure s is finally coming to coming to fruition i believe that this is the first funds that have been used for measure s uh for something for the city um we're we're really looking forward to it we were able to tag on to other purchases were being made in this in the uh us as well as um purchases within the county so there's a number of our adjoining agencies that are purchasing the same model the same um equipment and so we have that interoperability uh when we receive mutual aid and give mutual aid right the money is coming out of the general fund just to make that clear yeah and just a side question uh the mission hill fire would you have been able to use a new a truck like this for that would that been any useful um absolutely um that that area we didn't need to use it for that um but for that area to access along the railroad tracks that type of equipment is a much better piece of equipment than what we currently have in what we call our type one engines which is what you see driving around normally thanks okay councilmember matthews well not only is wildland fire response uh at the top of everyone's minds these days but um i did want to comment also that um this is a result of measure it has people say what are we getting for our core sensible tax increase and we promised the public that this would be in that first package and it is so i hope there's a big splash when it arrives i know that's about a 10 month wait something like that yeah it's it's uh going to be ordered once we order it has to be built will there'll be a number of site visits uh we expect it to be in use next fire season which is kind of a relative term with our uh with what we've had in california fire season used to be a few months and now it's kind of spread out over a calendar year thank you and also just wanted to say as we brought measure s forward as a supplement to the general fund um this is a capital expenditure it doesn't all go to operating and i think this highlights the need to reinvest in our capital resources and i think the fire department had been asking this for four years or so it it was outdated and and finally it's a half a million dollar product basically so we're we're fortunate to be able to take that measure s money and and really invest in something important to the community yeah thank you i greatly appreciate it like you said it's a it's a big investment and it'll get put to to good use councilman ryan and i just want to say i before i was on council i was on public works and transportation commission for six years and i think i've heard about this fire truck every one of those six years i was on the commission before being elected to council so i'm really good i'm really glad that we're here today talking about the acquisition of this really important piece of equipment and i have to say those fires on mission hill i've been very close to my home one evening um opening the front door and seeing flames and a fire truck in front of my house was very unnerving and so um i'm really happy that this piece of equipment is here and i just have to say the effort that i've seen the fire department um in chasing after what's been going on around town with with all these little fires has been pretty amazing guys have been doing great work uh keeping the public safe so thank you that's my brother since everyone's commenting cheerfully about uh this acquisition i'll adjust uh chime in i am really pleased that this is happening it's one of the first things i heard about when i uh did a ride along uh early on in uh during my this term on the council and i remember um she probably at the time suggesting that uh this is a resource that can also be shared with other fire jurisdictions that maybe don't have access to this kind of equipment and so um you know the benefits will be regional really and um in addition that we may recoup some of the cost of the investment through that yeah and and so what you're what you're seeing it's not just a regional approach with our neighbors we have the same equipment so we have that interoperability it's also part of the master mutual aid plan that we have within california and just last night we um had a strike team come back from out of county that was part of the office of emergency services where because of the high flag or the high wind red flag danger they prepositioned resources um in contra costa county and that team actually responded to the fire that was south of travestor air force base which made our air quality so poor um so it's um we're part of that plan we receive the aid when we need it we give it when we can um and yeah it's a very much a regional resource all right thank you so at this point i'd like to ask if there's any members of the public that would like to speak to this item this is item number 10 it's the wild land fire engine purchase seeing none i'll bring it back to the council council member vice mayor walkins i'll just move the recommendation and sort of echo the comments that were previously made thank you for um making our community safe in terms of what we know is coming and all the risks that we have and it's nice to see our measure as dollars go to this cause so i'll second that okay yeah i think this is something that's extremely important and timely that we have it and i'm really excited that it's happening so all those in favor the motion please say aye those opposed passes unanimously with council member chase absent so the next item on the agenda is item number 13 this is the professional services contract for aquifer storage and recovery so there was a question i i think well i want to i guess i want to preface that with a comment at um so uh this is an item that uh is you know we're being asked to approve another service another consultant service contract but i think it's worth noting that it's uh and this item is actually much more important than um simply approving that contract and um you know i think that it's it's just worth noting because the a lot of this work happens uh i'm almost all of it behind the scenes we as council members uh are unable to digest all of the material that you know the technical work that is done but we obviously have great faith in the water department and our water commission to have a take a closer look at that so i just wanted to say that and um you know just remind us that this aquifer storage and recovery uh project is one of the four potential water supply projects that um that could fill our uh existing water demand gap and um finding that the project may be feasible based on the phase one work and moving on to phase two is kind of an important achievement i just want to say that so um uh thank you for all of the work that you and your staff do um and it also raises a question for me because i know the water commission is generally uh you know they focus more on this and um you know i so i just wanted to raise a question and maybe not for discussion today but just um ask the council to consider what kind of role we want our water commission to play and and i because i kind of feel like we don't hear a lot directly from them we have our annual meeting but we don't really engage with them short of you know individual commissioners that we may know or if they reach out to us i certainly don't um follow all of the agendas and come to all the meetings but i just think it's something that is worth thinking about and perhaps revisiting at some time in the future um and so i just want i just want to say this is really it's a big deal so um let's be happy to be moving on to phase two could i just add a couple of comments there um so the um councilmember brown is totally right this is a it's a big sort of watershed moment for us to move forward uh into looking at actually putting water from available supplies that will be um you know surface water supplies putting that into the ground it's one of the key items that is uh we're evaluating as part of the water supply advisory committee recommendations that we're coming back to council for some kind of a discussion and hopefully decision on supplemental supply in 2020 so it's not too far away the other really important part of this same kind of strategy is uh this is the year we're probably going to do water transfers with the so-called creek water district as part of looking at that in lieu service as a potential opportunity to again do a regional strategy for conjunctive use of surface water and groundwater um so we've done a lot of studies a lot of work to get here and now we're going to see if it really works so it's pretty exciting and we're pretty enthusiastic about moving forward with this step we're going to be still looking for a site to do this in the Santa Margarita basin um and councilmember brown is also correct we had a very thorough discussion of this at the water commission last monday night and uh the the report was already in process and but we were um the water commission did take an action to recommend the approval of this to you very specifically but the report was already down the pipeline so it wasn't able we weren't able to change it but i'm glad to have the opportunity to pass on that recommendation are there any other questions i just wanted to um support add to what councilmember brown said i i do think this is the phase one analysis moving to phase two is is quite a quite an accomplishment and and i'm really happy this is one of our four sources of water right so moving forward i really appreciate it thank you welcome are there any members of the public that would like to speak to this item this is item number 13 regarding the professional service contract for aquifier storage and recovery pilot test program i'd like to bring it back to council for action councilmember matthews i'm happy to go ahead and move the recommendation and just uh expressed thanks to both the water department staff and the commission whose all the background work on this is so thorough and the commission does do exceptional work in vetting discussing these issues before they come to us is okay so second second okay council councilmember matthews and councilmember brown with a second any further discussion all those in favor of the motion please say aye aye any opposed that motion passes unanimously with councilmember chase absent okay this brings us up to um the next item on the agenda which are public hearings um the first item is our 2018 engineering and traffic um survey and this is uh james burr the transportation manager uh good afternoon here to talk about the uh item number 14 the 2018 engineering and traffic survey i have both a resolution and a ordinance change in front of you today the resolution would certify the 2018 survey and the ordinance would uh back it up and also reduce the speeds on three streets street segments that's delaware avenue his bell and western drive the engineering traffic survey is a document required by the california vehicle code to establish and post speed limits on streets um it also provides a legal backing to use radar enforcement on those same streets this action was uh heard and approved at the september 17th meeting of the transportation public works commission and if approved today staff will publish the document and then provide it to law enforcement of course and then the uh santa criss county law library and the superior court traffic vision the survey would be valid for seven years and um would replace the last one that was done in 2011 again the only change between the last one and this next one is are the street three streets that would be reduced to 25 miles an hour uh the streets that are included in the survey are mapped and that's part of your packet on the california road systems map they define which streets we have to survey and it's basically because of the vehicle code speed trap language they refer to the to the map in your packet and any street on that map must have a ets or you cannot use radar for enforcement to ensure uniformity and how these streets are posted when we post when we go out and post speed limits we typically use the 85 percent tile survey mode um almost every state in the nation and every city in every state uses that methodology you basically go out and survey 100 cars the 85th fastest car is the 85th percent tile and then you try to set the speed within five miles an hour of that speed um you are allowed two reductions you're allowed to round down if it's mathematically correct so if somebody's if some if a street is surveyed at 32 miles an hour you could round down to 30 and then you're allowed one more reduction by five miles an hour almost every street we were able to keep at 25 that was at 25 again the only changes were the three streets that were currently currently at 30 were reducing back to 25 the one other difference this time is that we added about 30 streets to the survey all of them at 25 just because the because the mapping seemed expanded this year and so we met with PD and at any street they thought they could use radar enforcement on we went ahead and surveyed this reflects hundreds of hours of staff time we've been working on it for almost a year and a half because you have to go out at non-peak times and survey try to survey a hundred cars or at least 50 or 60 or however many you can get and then log all that and bring it back and we of course clean it up and put it in excel and then eventually we'll publish um i think that's about it i'm available for questions any questions on the side i actually do have okay good we'll let's start councillor crown and councillor matthews thank you uh thank you for responding to the email too i was just wondering um when you said a hundred cars but you don't survey a hundred cars you only do 50 or 60 you gave an example of the 85th percentile 85th car in 100 so you just take it the math back feel and get 60 cars correct and is there no street where we have above 30 in in our city of 30 miles an hour close to the limit um non-state highway right there are none there are none and would uh i think that neighbors will probably be happy this goes back to 25 and these um on these streets these are great locations for that yeah and councillor matthews well i can just remember so many times people say please reduce the speed limit and then we have to explain the 85th percentile and all the legal constraints etc for enforcement so i'm delighted we're actually going down how did that happen well if you look at the speeds across years of the surveys and we have them going back for i don't know 30 years uh they used to be done every five years the speeds actually on streets are pretty darn consistent but if you get even a slight variation like these three streets went from either 33 where i had to round up to 32 and so i could round down and then reduce by five it's just a slight variance welcome news to people yes so um thank you and and just the fact that you the department proactively went out and measured a whole lot more streets that weren't required that's very responsive to community concerns without making a big banfare out of it so good good for you yeah i um councillor matthews or noroyan just wanted to make a comment um i unfortunately became really familiar with how speeds are set when i work for the state legislature and um just want to say thank you for your work in this because it's incredibly dense and detailed um the regulations that we have to follow that the state has and they do this because i guess towns were notorious for having speed traps and that being a great way to raise revenue for their city so um thank you for hanging in there and thanks for doing the survey so we could actually do radar enforcement of speed limits along what have become speedway well have always been speedways western drive i grew up right off of western drive and even when it was like off-roading because the road was in such a bad condition back in the 70s and 80s um people still drove pretty fast so thanks for working through all the dense state uh regulation on this i couldn't agree more i mean having it go down is a really big deal and i think it's thankful i mean it gives the the um santa cruz police departments some more opportunities i just wanted to ask um the public works if there's ways when we look at areas where there's been high accident rates or there's issues of you know traffic safety whether there's any discretion to incorporate that into your review of speed limits there is discretion for uh high accident rates however um i didn't need to use that you again and the reason i included so much documentation with the staff report today is because there's very little wiggle room when setting speeds and especially in reducing speeds so in in every case possible i was able to bring it back to 25 without using the collision history that's not that wasn't really necessary so you can reduce it for other reasons by bicycle safety and residential density and there's a variety of reasons um even without the collisions and that was performed okay great thank you um are there any members of the public that wish to speak to this item this is item number 14 the 2018 engineering and traffic survey any members of the public would like to speak to this item seeing none i'll bring it back to the council for action council member matthews i'd like to move approval okay i'll give it to vice mayor walkins um all those in favor um please say aye aye any opposed that passes unanimously with council member chase absent okay the next item is item number 15 this is um public hearing regarding the second reading and final adoption of ordinance number 2018-13 amendment sections of title 24 the santa cruz municipal code um this is uh carol burg from the housing and community development manager she's up on this item for presentation or lee butler director of planning good afternoon council lee butler planning director and we don't have a formal presentation for you this afternoon this is the second reading last week we spoke or excuse me two weeks ago we spoke about a series of proposed changes most notably the changes to the mapped rentals and the so requiring an inclusionary for rental units during the portion of time when or excuse me of for sale units during the portion of time when they're rented also there were some changes to the inclusionary percentage for rental units outside of the downtown going from 15 percent to 10 percent and then some changes to some formulas for example looking at 35 percent of household income as the threshold for using the for setting the rent levels rather than 40 percent where we're currently at so there were a series of changes a very robust discussion and we're available for any questions that you may have right before we go into questions i'd like to first ask if there's any members of the public that would like to speak to the site and this is item 15 it's a second reading final adoption of ordinance number 2018-13 amending title 24 the municipal code any members of the public right seeing none i'll bring it back to the council for further questions discussion and action anyone council member crown yeah i just i didn't realize there's a is there a difference this we had the email about the downtown what does it makes downtown and downtown development areas different than downtown or that's downtown and how is that like determined because i'm gonna miss this i missed it in our discussion last time but i just i've been asked by a few people because you see that big huge river street sign that some of us love and uh says down welcome to downtown Santa Cruz you know so some of my undergraduates and their families think that that's where downtown Santa Cruz is right there that it's river street um but how did this how did those streets happen that it's that that's what downtown is sure so i'll start by um just identifying the downtown area um it's bounded by water street to the north san lorenzo river to the east uh laurel street to the south and cedar street to the west and really that distinction came about as part of the pro forma analysis um that's an area where higher intensity uses are um are promoted through our downtown plan and so um that is an area where um because of the densities and because of the ability to use the um state density bonus to uh the benefit of those projects both in terms of in large part in terms of the uh parking reductions um but also in that um those densities will also require structured parking versus outside of that area the densities will oftentimes uh mean that surface parking options will be used in lieu of the structured parking so really it's just a function of the densities um in that area there are higher densities and that has an alternative pro forma analysis and so that was where it was separated out those densities versus outside of those areas thanks okay another question but there's no historic sort of thing of like what downtown is uh how did those streets get to be chosen over other extending it farther or shrinking it i just was wondering if there's any history here on past planning commissions or planning departments using downtown as fungible so i would definitely say that people have a different idea of downtown and and even you know cedar street to the west um some would say that it extends further and some would say that it extends further north i think for purposes of this it's just where the development intensities are the greatest um in terms of the potential for development intensities and you know at some point in the future that that may be considered as as we continue to grow looking at areas further north as you mentioned on river street or further south and right now we have the beach and south of laurel area plan and that is separate from our downtown area plan but at some point you know there there may be opportunities to look at how those two um interact together and promoting higher densities in those areas that are close to transit and services and jobs because someone remarked somebody in email and said that the arena for them is that is downtown that would make sense to put the arena in the downtown the warriors stadium um any questions on the side okay council mover matthews um i think a number of us may want to ask a question about correspondence we received um claiming that the this action would violate measure o it would reduce illegally binding 15 percent mandated affordable housing requirement etc and i did ask the city attorney to explain how this um action would not violate what's on on the books already yes thank you just so we're all on the same page measure o was adopted in 1979 and it addressed a bunch of several different topics one of which was affordable housing and it states it shall be the policy of the city of santa cruz that at least 15 percent of those housing units newly constructed for sale or rental each year shall be capable of purchase or rental by persons with average or below average incomes and um historically this has been in in the county of santa cruz also has a similar requirement applicable in the county um historically this has always been interpreted as 15 percent of the total number of housing units constructed not uh 15 percent of those constructed on each parcel and i think in the staff report that you received at the last meeting there was a discussion of the the number of affordable units constructed in the city over the past 10 years or so relative to the number of market rate units and the 15 percent was um was easily exceeded so so that's how it's been interpreted thank you thank you all right any uh further comments or action well i'll move the rec i mean i'll i'll move the second reading of the ordinance and i appreciated kaiser marston coming and doing a presentation and helping us understand all of the history and all the work on this and i know it's really complicated and and thick and a lot of uh conversation ensued and so but i'm happy to move the second reading at this time i'll second arm wrestle okay i'm going to count some of our matthews for the second vice mayor walkings and uh and count some of our matthews for the second uh count some of around just i think i've been pretty uh clear and uh expansive in my comments about this particular issue so i'm going to make it brief i do want to really thank staff for all of the work that you've done to bring us some changes that i do think will likely lead to additional affordable housing development in the city i really appreciate that uh and your responsiveness to concerns answering questions i know this has been a long process um lamentably i'm will be voting no um were it not for the uh change that the motion that was made to to increase the percentage income for affordability purposes for for rents um and the potential grandfathering of many multi-unit structures that do not have open application planning applications i might be able to support it but um given those uh concerns i will be voting no thank you um council member i just want to express i had the same distress voting for something that um lowers the inclusionary rate um you know i i really teetered on that but i think the financial report um you know by the consultant just tip me over into seeing i guess the reality of the situation i hope i would love to be proven wrong that um that inclusionary rate doesn't have to be um set down to 10 percent and i would in a heartbeat raise it to 15 but um yeah i was really torn on that as well we have a motion by council vice go ahead council member i just want to clarify i thank you for that um it i actually could have supported the 10 percent it was the increase in the the income percentage of income to be spent on housing and the potential grandfathering of units so that even the 10 and 15 percent in the downtown may not apply for projects that are coming our way so but i just wanted to clarify that motion by vice mayor walk-ins second by council member matthews all those in favor please say aye any opposed no any post that passes with council member crone council member uh brown uh saying no um council member matthews council member norway and vice mayor uh walk-ins and myself um yes and uh council member chase absence the next item on the agenda is item number 16 this is the uh resolution um adopting the 2018 through 2023 local hazard mitigation plan and climate adaptation plan update we're starting to get up into the big numbers of years it seems like 2023 so i'll turn it over to dr tiffany wise west sustainability and climate action manager for presentation thank you mayor let me give me just a moment to bring up this presentation thank you for the binder and all the materials you provided in advance you're quite welcome all right um we'd actually like to start out with some uh comments uh from the emergency operations manager paul horvath on the local hazard mitigation plan to start okay great thank you council paul horvath center cruise fire department emergency operations center manager um just would like to provide you with a quick update of what we're doing today we're adopting the local hazard mitigation plan update this is the third update of our local hazard mitigation plan which started back in 2008 public works uh assisted with this update and uh they were very helpful um the local hazard mitigation plan is a plan where we go through the entire city and we analyze the risks that we uh that we face uh mostly with our infrastructure we're looking at roads bridges culverts um water distribution and supply systems wastewater treatment systems um etc and um based on that analysis we rank our hazards within the city of santa cruise and what i mean by that is we we analyze those hazards and we assign a risk rating to determine which hazard is most significant to the city and uh we look at those hazards in terms of natural disasters earthquakes fires floods etc um something that we are no strangers to here within the city of santa cruise and then based on that analysis we form game plans on what our attack is going to be to try to improve uh improve the infrastructure here within the city of santa cruise um this plan makes us eligible for federal funding through FEMA uh we have a couple of grant applications in the process already through the water department to improve our water supply systems that had been damaged during the 2017 storms and um so that's good news for the city and we're going to be very aggressive going after this grant funding trying to uh improve some of the the deficiencies that we have uh discovered within our infrastructure um so that's kind of the local hazard mitigation plan in a nutshell um tiffani was very very helpful in instrumental in assisting us with this the plan development and merging it with the climate adaptation plan uh the climate adaptation plan is an appendix to the local hazard mitigation plan so that is my uh brief update to your council thank you um ask questions yeah do you want to go through the full presentation first and then you can ask questions or i just had a specific question okay please go ahead sure um so when you talk about the grants from FEMA for water for a water system is that to create redundancy in the system so when we have another pipe failure it won't mean the whole city won't have water access actually both it's to create redundancy within our systems as well as um improve our aging infrastructure so it's a little bit of both thank you okay now i'd like to turn it over to uh tiffani great tiffani wise by sustainability and climate action manager for the city the rest of the presentation really is going to focus on the climate adaptation plan update and just to kind of differentiate between the lhmp and the climate action plan as well as the climate adaptation plan so the climate adaptation plan doesn't really focus on emissions mitigation that's our climate action plan just wanted to make that clear although we acknowledge that it's extremely important to think about emissions in the context of adaptation because it does indeed dictate the pace and the severity of climate hazards so that's something that um we do continue to emphasize even through our adaptation uh work so this document really characterizes the climate risks in space and time using the best available data that is uh out there right now uh it sets forth specific goals and objectives related to climate adaptation for the city and it recommends and prioritizes policy education and green and gray or you can think of that as soft and hard infrastructure as adaptation strategies and really in a nutshell it creates a framework for you as decision makers and our leaders to build a more resilient uh community and again one that's informed by best climate science uh just real quickly i wanted to take you through the timeline of uh this project as paul had mentioned uh the projects were completed concurrently uh we started them almost two years ago forming an internal team of representatives from every department to participate in both the plan developments uh in terms of the climate adaptation plan we completed our first sea level rise vulnerability assessment in april of 2017 followed soon thereafter by our social vulnerability to climate change analysis again both of those are the first analyses that we've done pertaining to those topics uh about a year ago both the draft lhmp and the adaptation plan update were released to the public in draft format um since that time the climate action program has conducted 51 outreach events in the community in support of the adaptation plan really to initiate a dialogue in the community and we'll talk more in a moment about that um in january of this year california office of environmental uh services approved the draft lhmp and in april fema approved the lhmp so our formal approval is pending the adoption of the lhmp here today um and then finally here we are today uh with the final of both plans released and presented for adoption i did want to mention that there are a couple policy drivers that have really um influenced what we needed to do and kind of um what we're required to do sp 379 does require adaptation planning be included in the lhmp update as well as the safety element of the general plan so we have satisfied one aspect of sp 379 by this work also the coastal condition commission excuse me recommends sea level rise policies in the local coastal program that are based in part on the sea level rise vulnerability assessment that we've completed so we're making progress um on getting through that lcp update in the near future so as i mentioned the first sea level rise vulnerability assessment social vulnerability to climate change analysis you've seen these images before on the your left hand side um you see uh what the shaded blue that migrates inland are our combined coastal hazard so that would be rising tide erosion um and coastal storm flooding and on the left hand side we assume that protective structures uh hold until 2060 and then we have um a seawall failure uh down at main beach and that's just a built-in assumption in this particular scenario on the right hand side you see much more blue down in the downtown beach flats area over near nary lagoon and this assumes that all of the protective structures so that would be the levee the pumps that pump out the downtown area and uh the seawalls fail so you see much more inundation of course should those not be uh kept up and one thing to note is that at the time we completed the sea level rise vulnerability assessment um the extreme emissions scenario trajectory had not um been available um how we kind of contextualize that there aren't really um maps until really this week um there's been some mapping that's come out on the 2100 um extreme emissions trajectory but what that means for us is that we are going to see these impacts earlier if we are indeed on this uh severe emissions trajectory which uh recent reports that have come out from the intergovernmental panel on climate change seem to indicate which is the UN authority that developed these scenarios also you've seen the social vulnerability to climate change assessment the red census block groups are those that are deemed highest in social vulnerability that's driven by things like incidents of poverty uh disability english not spoken well as a first language um and uh you see the orange then would be medium high social vulnerability and over um in the I guess that would be um the part of west cliff where the arrow points to is driven largely by elderly folks in that area so again we're just starting to scratch the surface on the utility um of this analysis but it does give us a lot of information on the drivers um of social vulnerability so then the draft adaptation plan update uh came forward and again we have 41 strategies that are prioritized that really are recommendations for policy education and infrastructure solutions that also have uh lots of detail in the appendix you probably found this table in the body of the report but you'll see things like timelines costs other um actors that should be involved uh in the appendices of uh the plan update as I mentioned we embarked upon a nine month outreach campaign to really start these conversations in our community um we've been doing a lot across jurisdictional coordination presentation of our work getting presentations from other jurisdictions and kind of sharing methodologies and um and resources our outreach events um we were really fortunate as was called out in our staff report um that we were really able to target our socially vulnerable folks and in fact 20 percent of our outreach events were targeted to or in socially vulnerable um communities um and that did uh garner our adaptation uh outreach uh campaign a a word of merit from the northern california american planning association and then of course we have the final climate adaptation plan update and so what's happened between the draft that you saw about a year ago and now we have um gotten into much more detail in our treatment of a number of things that were simply called out in the past um things like public trust resources access recreation and surfing uh public health we were really able to get into some specifics on what we could see as well as habitat and ecosystems we partnered with NOAA on really expanding our ocean acidification section we have a section on coastal visitor shifts that we anticipate um as well as strategy feedback from the public and a description of the public involvement I think importantly one thing that I missed is that um it's the second bullet is how does our sea level rise analysis fit into the current state guidance on scenario selection after we completed our analysis another update came out but indeed I have actually been to the ocean protection council who forms this guidance to share with them what we're doing um they're very interested in how a small city like us can do this kind of working how we can share those methods across the state just real quickly uh red dots on this screen uh show uh access points as you can see they are number of them coincide with our climate hazard zones our coastal hazard zones that's something that we'll be looking at through a west cliff drive project and hopefully if we get our grant um through the coastal commission to look at beach usage access and coastal resources another slide just shows our surf spots which some of those are projected to be drowned sometime mid-century so something to be concerned about and of course habitat so you also see that uh monarch habitat other aquatic habitat and birds also coincide with some of these climate hazard zones um not to mention the wildfire hazard zones so lots for us to dig into there as well and this is really the first time we've kind of mapped this out together um and what's next just to round things out um completing our local coastal program and our general plan safety element uh updates will be happening over the next couple years we're kicking off at open streets this weekend our west cliff drive shoreline adaptation plan I'm very excited about this project um it really is going to take us another step forward with our adaptation planning um continue to talk to the county and uh Gary Griggs about a tidal gauge um which will really help us to understand sea level rise within our area of the sanctuary um we're looking at doing climate influenced flood mapping of the San Lorenzo River and uh we have called out in the plan annual reporting to city council on our progress as we do on our climate action plan so your recommendation uh that's before you is to adopt both the lhmp and the adaptation plan and if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them before we go into questions I'd like to see is any member of the public that like to speak to this item it's here and I know in advance of the meeting um the Santa Cruz action or climate action network uh represented Pauline Seals asked for additional time so you would have four minutes so I'd like to first ask you to come up and um anyone else who wishes to speak to the side and please line up to my left so I'll know how oh you are then then we'll bring it back to the council afterwards for additional questions and discussion and action okay please Pauline Miss Seals you can start thank you for the opportunity to speak um especially thank you Tiffany for all your excellent hard work on all this and for including the public in the um climate action task force and uh I want to particularly commend you on staying abreast of the latest things that are happening and mentioning that the timelines in this report will probably be brought closer so 2030 maybe who knows 2025 2060 25th et cetera the new all the latest news indicates that it's way worse this is what's been happening in climate action for a long time what I have here I have a copy I gave one to Tiffany already I have a copy for um Mr. Bernal and for each of the one to one so while I'm talking um this is this is an extraction from this report that was just issued yesterday um the Guardian the New York Times and a lot of other people have written a lot of words and I decided to just extract and comment on a few of the graphics from the report itself so this basically is from the UN's report if you look at this first um I'll talk for a minute basically it says that um things are extremely drastic and we need to um take action right away and the way they illustrate this is a series of little graphs and these I've given you all report a copy because I don't expect people to absorb absorb it immediately but you can look at it later and in graphical form what this is showing is where we are now is the little gray bar across so on all these various fields on this thing the gray bar is where we are now and most of them are white or yellow white is fine and yellow is uh getting into a more hazardous zone we know that's already happening with wildfires floods in various places etc it's inevitable that we will get to 1.5 and I'll get back to that in a second and as we move through that only seems like an extra half degree what's the big deal but you will see that in virtually and there's two different ways they show it actually I found this one more appealing but in all these various categories all of a sudden we're moving through the yellow and if we hit 1.5 we're starting into the red some of them start earlier and some start later but it's like going from a sort of oh yeah maybe something's happening through oh my lord to disaster in that difference between moving from one to 1.5 and then going beyond so it's very important now if you look at the graphic at the back at the bottom on the back there um and this is u n stuff they worked out various possible ways by which the world might be able to limit to 1.5 degrees temperature rise and every single one of them shows it a deep shoot down it's like reminds me of taking my kid to the playground you know only that one's too hazardous you're not old enough to go on that one that's too steep that's what we have to do guys so no more business as usual yeah we've got to keep the lights on we have lots of talented people I'm sure we'll find ways around the world people are finding new economy ways and my friends will talk a little more to that thank you next week or please next speaker you can keep um I mean I get through it all okay thank you my name is Carol Long and I'm talking about the climate action plan and I of course endorse it um the adaptation plan but we need to do a lot more than adapt I wrote down several phrases that were heard earlier in this meeting big deal watershed moment and this is what this is we do not act now drastically within the next 12 years we will reach tipping points which will according to the intergovernmental plan panel on climate change results in severe and widespread collapse or damage to both human economic systems and to ecosystems that six out of the 11 systems that were analyzed by the latest report by the IPCC will be under this severe and widespread stress under the worst case which is two degrees of centigrade warming if we keep it to 1.5 three of these systems will be under severe and widespread damage if we want to get to this best case concern area we have to start right now setting goals to do away with fossil fuel fuel use and global warming emissions by 2050 that means that the plan that tiffany is working on has to set these goals and the city council and the city government have to take drastic actions to draw down our emissions and to adapt to climate change thank you thank you next speaker please hello i'm nana bagshaw and i just want to say i'm really glad for this report we hear so much about climate change these days and global and all but this report just brings it home to santa cruz and it points out many of the problem areas that we're going to face as time goes on and the time is getting shorter as as we've all been hurt so i i just want to say that i think this is very very important it should be one of our top priorities and um yeah no no business as usual it's like the time has come now for action and um we've got to do it and we've got this this map here to confirm the fact that you know it is critical even here in santa cruz thank you thank you next speaker please hello i'm susan cavalieri um as you've heard we have only a very short time to transform our city our state our country and the world if we're going to survive the coming climate crisis which is protected predicted to occur by 2040 i suggest you look to gill penelosa of 880 cities for transformative ideas he states that we need to move from talking to doing we need to try new ideas and this will require guts and vision we can no longer say we can't try an innovative idea just try it as soon as possible and if it fails return things to the way they had been change is hard for everyone but the most transformative change is climate change which will impact our city as reported by tiffany wise west we need to look to other cities like copenhagen to redesign our city with open streets safe biking and good public transit redesigning our city around people not cars and the use of fossil fuels will decrease our carbon footprint more put put more people on the streets to support our businesses and create a greater feeling of community please move our city forward to fight the coming climate crisis thank you thank you and nate alexander kennedy will be our last speaker hello i'm nate alex kennedy dot kennedy at gmail.com 3469888 uh what i have to say is that us dealing with climate change is one of the most important things that we can do it's the biggest threat to human life on this planet uh with that said there's a book that i think every last one you needs to read it's called the emperor wears no clothes by jack herrier and what it addresses is that yes hemp marijuana the same plant uh has literally a million different uses 50 000 known uses uh to do just about anything including we could make cars from it henry ford did in 1936 and then we decided to outlaw marijuana right afterwards uh but aside from the whole marijuana issue uh what i think the city needs to do is start growing industrial hemp on its own not not the stuff that gets you high the stuff that can be used for everything else i think we need to be a model for the state for the country for the world by being one of the first cities to grow as much industrial hemp as we can put it to use they can be used for clothes to make your car uh clothes paper food medicine uh we could make everything from cars to computers to spaceships out of it why haven't we done this yet is the big question okay uh 20 seconds left um another thing i need to say is we need to start adding subtitles to the speeches here my phone does it my tablet does it the software is available for live voice to text recognition thank you thank you all right um any additional comment public comment regarding this item item 16 regarding the resolution adopting the 2018 2023 local hazard mitigation plan and climate adaptation plan update bringing it back to the council for uh discussion further action i'm prepared to move the recommendation i just want to thank and acknowledge you tiffani for your work this is just incredible the report is so well written did you write the entire it's it's really thorough really well written really easy to read and there's no question that we have a lot of work to do that this is a global concern at you know and just the report of course that came out yesterday it's unbelievable i'm wondering um so i'll move the recommendation i'll second but i do have one thing i was wondering and i apologize if i missed this is this in any way uh shared with some of our state and and federal representatives to let them know about the work that's happening in santa cruz or how they can advocate for us also we have not sent it to them yet we certainly can do that um happy to do so however i know they are aware of what we're doing as i mentioned um i've spoken at the opc um and other venues across the state where we've had state and federal representatives from a number of different agencies but that's a great suggestion and i will definitely do that thank you so i have uh just well a quick follow-up to that perhaps we could add to the motion direction to um ask the mayor to send a letter to our state and federal representatives with just acknowledgement that we've approved this i assume that the vote will go that way but um acknowledgement that we've approved it and um look forward to being in communication with them over time about ways that we can uh you know we can work with them and hopefully um garner additional resources for this the implementation phase so and i just wanted to make one other uh it's a question it's a big question and not one that i'm expecting uh you to answer now but you know i one of the things that really struck me in addition to how thorough this is how amazingly well uh organized and documented you had all of this work that you've put into it um the the part about i'm going to turn to the you know it's the final uh part of the main document on page 78 on plan the plan maintenance process and ensuring that that we keep this adaptation this climate adaptation plan active and relevant um so you know they're aside from and there's some ways that you that are suggested in the introduction and throughout in terms of evaluating the plan um and updating it over time so aside from you know so one you have continuing to invite public participation i think that's a great idea i i mean you've done a tremendous amount of work in the past couple of years to hold all of those meetings get the public engaged so um you know just if there are ways that the city council can be more actively involved i personally would like to i came to one meeting and um wasn't able to come to many of them but you know really staying in touch with us and we should i think i'll be in touch with you about participating in those efforts uh so that they're you know broadly advertised you know accessible to the policy makers etc and then how we can incorporate some of the strategies in our policy making um you know how can we help you with your work uh i guess is the big question and something that i look forward to talking with you more about um so that's what i and then i also want to thank members of the audience who are here speaking about this who have continued to be in touch with us um encouraging us to uh declare the climate emergency that we are actually in and i um you know i know that that's uh a challenging process to to work through but i i do hope that we can continue to have that conversation as as part of implementation of this plan council member matthews um i want to specifically thank tiffany for her spectacular work in this area um clearly we are in a new time and in terms of climate awareness and i'm just in reference to a couple other comments cover on western city was planning collaboratively for extreme heat events i mean this is just on everybody's mind um i went to the league conference last month in long beach and there is a coastal communities coastal cities caucus are you plugged into them tiffany i'm not i mentioned it to lee but you just started last year yeah they're impressive so um i think that's something we could become more tuned in with um and i'll just mention um i serve on the chamber of commerce community affairs committee and tiffany gave a presentation to that group maybe six months ago as part of the community outreach and you think of course the community outreach is going to environmental groups but it was a very broad um spectrum of groups and that the the attentiveness and responsiveness at that presentation was impressive and i think that just speaks to the um awareness and concern is pretty much ubiquitous now and i think when we talk about um future engagement and and participating in commitment and solutions we should cast an exceptionally wide net so i i agree i think whatever we can do to support that direction is really important um and then i just want to say my husband who reads the new york times every morning thoroughly was sitting there this morning saying oh my god this climate action do we have anything in santa cruz that would show the impact and i said well i'm reading it right now so thank you you're welcome councilmember crown anything no yeah thanks um thank you tiffany for all the work that's involved with this um clearly uh we're playing catch up and um i'm not sure how to take it how folks take it you know like seriously like you mentioned uh vice mayor that we have a lot clearly we have a lot of work to do but what what is the work that we have to do and what are the things we're checking off because it just doesn't seem to me that we're taking this i mean it's overwhelming it's overwhelming and i think for most people it's overwhelming it's very hard to talk about with people uh it's been years to to get people's attention and now seems like our administration in washington is is moving away from it speaking of the new york times um bill was probably reading this and it comes from uh i mean a couple things happened this week you know the un climate report came out and uh gave us 20 to 2040 for you know the the climate crisis to my daughter's going to be 45 um the guy who won the you know well one of the shared the Nobel prize yesterday a Yale professor he said quote the policies are lagging very very far miles miles miles behind science and what of what needs to be done professor nordhaus said shortly after learning of the prize it's hard to be optimistic i think we all share that and we're actually going backward in the united states with the disastrous policies of the trump administration and i just would ask the challenge maybe our council you know we've done this before you know we've we've we've created policy here in santa cruz that did challenge washington and now more than ever we need to really you know and our our governor outgoing governor now is also trying to challenge uh them on climate of the washington dc on climate and i'm just wondering how we as a public body can step it up and and and be part of that because i think santa cruz in like offshore oil drilling that you know we were the first city to um to to say no you're you're not going to uh drill off the shore the the coast of california um and we prevailed um and and so what else can we do i mean there's what's the low-hanging fruit i i know that tiffany's been grabbing a lot of grants and um doing doing a lot of work around the area of trying to address the issues of our um i call it climate disruption and climate change uh what else can we do i i would just urge this council to empower tiffany more to bring us stuff i mean there's you know as one of the speakers said about trees and bicycles and um you know we're not we don't even know many trees we're cutting down and we don't you know planting trees and we don't have a tree inventory that really senses where and that's the easiest and greatest thing we can do to combat um climate change is planting more trees and that seems rather rather simple of course you have to maintain them and that's a uh a municipal function uh but i'm just wondering there's so much that we could be doing um and how do we as a as a city begin that process and that's what i'm interested in i mean maybe um councilman around asked a bigger question too and maybe that's too big of a question right now to tackle i think this whole report is too big to tackle right now uh but but here it is um and reducing gas emissions greenhouse gas emissions you know carbon dioxide that is the number one thing everybody says that and how do we get there and one of the charts that we were given but also with in the New York Times backs it up we are going to have to drastically i mean our whole fleet needs to be electric for example i mean are we moving toward that i know we've bought some electric cars we've got some vehicles out there but is there some sort of plan that we need to put in place you know an emergency climate plan that would uh acknowledge like we've acknowledged our homeless and and houseless and a housing crisis and can we put forward something that acknowledges uh a resolution that says you know we are in a climate crisis and the city of Santa Cruz is the city of Santa Cruz we are not the state of california we're not the federal government but how do we do what i think a lot of our constituents are asking and also what what the planet needs and what i think we know what to do we have a you know the various departments up at ucsc studying this all the time what can we as a city do i mean we're going to build a bunch of buildings downtown we know it's in a floodplain i saw a little of that we're going to put bedrooms on the first floor so we know we have a floodplain we know that this is coming and and they've just stepped it up the un report says 2040 uh and we live on the coast uh and i'm i'm kind of not i'm just i'm asking this because i don't have an answer i'm trying to grapple with it and look for assistance in how who's going to tell the people how do we get this message out and how do we have a consistent plan and evaluating and it keeps coming back to us um because right now i feel like we as a country but also as as a community are not moving fast enough and not feeling that the emergency nature of this thank you thank you council member crown council member uh norion so you know um one of the things i wanted to point out and wanted to ask is you know as much as we might feel deficient um and not addressing climate change enough i know that this has been a work in progress for a while and while i was on the transportation and public works commission we were one of the first committees to review so i want to say that there has been a public review process that has really been um vibrant and um has has brought the public in and there's been several opportunities for the public not just through your workshops but through other you know commissions that that advise the city council so i just really want to make sure that we understand this has been a real dynamic public process um the other thing that i i want to mention and christopher i wasn't going to say this but your words your comments um just kind of inspire me to think about you know what inspired the last environmental movement it was rivers burning on fire and so it makes me think we have to you know for the rest of the nation to to look up and pay attention we need another river burning sort of incident it seems like unfortunately people don't take data they need to see something real in front of their eyes to to make the situation um relatable i guess i guess it's trying to make this relatable to people and maybe that's what we'll finally do it i hope we don't have to wait for a river another river to burn on fire to get people's attentions um but and also with offshore oil drilling it wasn't just santa cruz alone i remember that distinctly because it was the issue that really brought me in um to local politics i remember in high school leon panetta gary patin other folks came for um a forum at santa cruz high to discuss offshore oil drilling and that just really piqued my interest and i think got a lot of us in that room um interested in being involved and one of the things that struck me is from that it was a movement it's it may have started here locally to stop offshore oil drilling but it was started to be embraced by our region and then our state because i don't think by ourselves we would have stopped offshore oil drilling so i think that that's another lesson for us in regards to climate change is you know we do our due diligence here but we've got to be reaching out to other municipalities and other regions to hopefully embrace this that leads into my question of how many other municipalities and regions have contacted you because we're seeing is sort of the um the goal to reach in regards to climate um adaptation and and trying to actually um maybe make uh you know draw back some of our effects of climate change i can't even tell you how many jurisdictions have contacted me probably close to a dozen maybe um you hit upon a really critical point in this field of work which is the collaboration across scales because there's no need to reinvent the wheel when there are good models out there good resources out there we're part of a number of collaboratives that facilitate that kind of work where we are indeed viewed as a leader i know that is maybe not solid comfort in light of the ipcc reports and that kind of thing but we do stand out as a leader in the state especially for a city of our size on this kind of work um but it is critically important for us to continue that collaboration and i loved the comment on um coming to these events because one thing that that uh came out of the public outreach one of the comments was that we need community leaders to be the face for this very critical issue just like we have had you know um bruce mcpherson from honorary bay community power we need local leaders to show that this truly is important so i really take to heart that offer to come to these and i will take you up on that because i do think that's an important um representation that the city needs to make to convey the importance so um thank you for offering that and thank you for acknowledging the point around collaboration because it's crucially important i mean obviously co2 emissions don't stop at our city limits so we could be doing great work but if everyone else around us isn't um it helps that we're doing this great work it but it doesn't get us to the goal that we need to get to so i'm just curious how many times do you have opportunities to go to regional and national conferences and things to to trade best practices and ideas quite frequently in fact i'm driving to santa barba tomorrow to give a keynote at the uh central coast sustainability summit on this work not only in santa cruise but in the region fortunately um our leadership in the city manager's office is very supportive of um that knowledge sharing and i do um very frequently um as much as my travel budget allows to go and share what we're doing and it's also an opportunity for me to learn i mean i've learned about so many resources at these different we can't we know that there just aren't the resources there to hire consultants to figure all this stuff out fortunately there's groups like the nature conservancy NOAA that are providing tools at no cost to us to allow us to be on the forefront of the best available science and the only way to learn about that is through the webinars the conferences those kinds of things and our office has been very supportive of that thank you you're welcome councilmember crone i would respectfully disagree with your last comment the resources are there um we're just not spending them in the right way i mean there's something like a carbon tax um a cap and trade um the money exists to do that getting back to what rachel was saying i there's multiple rivers burning on the same paper today um in the new york times there's a child playing amongst the dead farm animals the bones of the farm animals in wales um there's a fire burning in chasta county i mean they're just putting these pictures together there's the coral reef um in australia and there's this what they're calling now a super typhoon you know that just happening and unfolding in hong kong um so i i don't know what it would take to get us going the rivers are burning all over um and yeah thanks i just want to say my hope is that you know i mean that fire fires have been horrible this year i hope that that maybe motivates people and when they hear our federal administrations say climate change isn't an issue they start questioning that that's the i think the best we can hope for in this climate well oh my god i didn't mean to say in political climate excuse vice vice mayor walkins i just appreciate the comments and i know that one of the things i heard from the report was you know that the scientists did their work and it's up for the decision makers to do theirs and i think that's an international point that needs to be made in terms of how we're going to address this comprehensively but um with that said i also want to acknowledge the amendment that the seconder of the motion made in terms of how we can relay what we're doing to our legislators via a letter from the mayor or other ways that the climate action manager has in mind for that as well that included in the direction okay so there's a motion by vice mayor walkins second by councilmember brown i'll just echo all the comments that were made earlier and also thank you tiffani for for really putting together spectacular report i remember when um garry griggs first i think it was he that was the first report he did and i think we just got on and i was just shocked by the impact of climate change because they outlined all the city municipal infrastructure that needed to be you know adapted to address climate and if there's it's it's not a burning river but when you look at a map that shows you know the loss of actually you know are actually public spaces and um private lands as a result of climate change that's a stark reminder of what we're heading to and i i just would i really appreciate the graphics that you provided in there and i one question i had before we put it to a vote is how do the public you know are they notified like when when someone's in an area that's going to be susceptible to these climate change impacts how are they notified like if someone goes into some agreement with someone to transfer land or anything are there are there things that are required for them right now to be notified of this work or any reports that are done no there's not right now um that is certainly something that will be looked at through the local coastal program update and i believe that in the coastal commission sea level rise guidance documents they actually recommend looking at say for example geologic um disclosure um for say a coastal property um so those will be things that we will be considering um during that process and i know i think it was 2007 the first adaptation plan was done was that right 2011 our first lhmp was in 2007 okay and how is that kind of um i guess coordinated with our our general plan i mean do we have has it been integrated so these this kind of updates now or something that we have integrated into our our general plan that's the second piece of sb 379 is that the planning department will be adopting the lhmp into the safety element of the general plan and that's how it becomes part of the general plan so they will be doing that over the next i think year or two okay i appreciate it all right we have a motion on the floor by vice mayor walk-in second by council member brown um all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed that motion passes unanimously with council member chase absence thank you so much thank you the next item on our agenda is item number 17 this is the charter amendment committee appointments and i believe if there's no one um coming up from city manager's office and what we're going to do is just treat this like we've done with other advisory bodies however this is um these are six appointments and so one consideration is to um you know first of all take uh take um the uh nominations that come forward and um maybe we we take the first pass with three because it's you know six appointments we vote um and then we we see where things fall um so that we can go for a second round so that we're at least um taking those if that you follow we're going to everybody will go through make nominations we'll uh we'll make the first round of appointments and then we'll come back a second time afterwards if we need to follow up if there's uh any additional uh votes for those that did not reach a threshold vote on the first path one thought also and i it's um something um that we've i've seen in the past is the idea of um um alternates having those voted on at this time is that something that um where we could identify perhaps two alternates um that that might be um assigned in the event that there isn't someone there and then we have it done so i just want to put that out there as well it's more brown just a logistical question would we make that decision after after the six or point yeah okay all right let's begin so i'm gonna start because i know that we are focusing on you last time councilmember brown so i thought every time we'll start on we'll start on the right side with councilmember crown so you can make um let's let's do up to up to three uh nominations at this time okay i i would uh um nominate patrice boil denise holbert and noah thorn the ucsc student okay hold on a second okay it's patrice boil denise holbert and the other one was noah thorn yes okay councilmember matthews um in addition i would like to nominate dave shuman and case of kumar third first one dave shuman case of well i'll just say this to me is a weird way to do it there are plenty of other people i'd like but i don't want to over nominate so got it understand so there's two okay um councilmember brown i feel the same way councilmember matthews here um um i will in addition include um jamie garfield and sylvia carris shulna royan so i would like um shuman if it's already been said yeah oh i'm sorry i'm just for my own denominator yeah um sabios okay that's it um she said uh sabias any others you we said you mentioned dave shuman but yeah uh did you want me to say three if you want so uh shuman sabios kumar so in addition to those that have already been said i would just add timory gordon can't we just put them all on the floor and vote this do that too i was yeah this isn't working i don't think i don't know i think it'll work um i i think i was just we're looking for trying to treat it as we worried our our advisory appointments um so i'd like to put on uh christina horn additionally but now we've got everybody but except for two well we're gonna see where the where the four votes are we can do multiple passes that's okay just to clarify one more so now we're just going to vote for three and then those who don't make the first list then we can renom we can nominate again that's correct and how many do they have to get to be elected four four votes we vote for our top three four or more four or more okay so if you want to read off the can we um do you want to just vote for three or i mean i we could vote for more than three how would you like to approach that based on we personally i'd rather vote for my six okay let everyone vote for their six okay and then be able to change your vote okay people feel i mean you're the boss yeah i think that i was trying to do to expedite i'm actually if did you are you are all of your nominations up yep okay um see all of all of them i'm i'm comfortable with all if everybody would like to vote for all of their six if your nominations are are there you can do so there's only three right now who haven't been nominated okay so if anyone wants boss word brooks or geo i would i would do geo okay did you put three on the floor already i did yeah okay that's fun okay okay okay so you can use all six votes if you like on this to can you read off though it's those the only ones that have not been nominated are steve bossworth and bill brooks did you want to call the names of those for each one's for for vote go by individual and yeah by in by individual right yeah um so voting for patrice boil all those voting for patrice boil i i'm soviet karas um gust sabayos um jamie garfield go geo marie gordon denise holbert uh christina horn how many well i'm just trying to one two three i know i i i gotta see i'm gonna wait and because i have so three that what i have two um kisha kumar david shuman and noa thorn so it looks like you have five and the sixth person is tied we have a tie you it looks like patrice boil and christina horn read off those that um are have been the appointed ones um gust sabayos timory gordon denise holbert kisha kumar and david shuman so now we could do a vote for patrice boil and christina horn is that how you want to do that one sure why don't we just say boil when we raise our hand yep so patrice boil um and christina horn so it's patrice boil and i mentioned if you um to do two alternates i would i would select christina horn as an alternate the idea of alternates is was not part of this proposal and i personally don't support that um i think we need to this is going to be really intensive and i think we need to have people who are there and committed and if they're not there too bad but i think it's going to take a great continuity of effort so my own preference would be just to stay with the the group that we have and let it go at the other you know we don't have alternates to any of our commissions we didn't have we anyway i would just prefer to keep it clean that's from ryan did we have alternates to the water wassak or isary committee visor committee we did i think we did for the public safety committee maybe if some of the folks who've been identified to serve are unable to or kind of we can let the other folks know because at that time at that time or something like that this was really really challenging there was incredible people that i know i you couldn't really go wrong with a lot of these folks so what is the at this point is that the council field they do not want to identify alternates at this time my feeling is oh sorry i'd be fine either way i don't know that it matters if we do it now or should somebody not be able to serve just have a question just occur to me that might make sense if the council is going to consider appointing an alternate to also give some direction as to the circumstances under which the alternate would actually serve is it for a one-missed meeting or is it in the event that one of the appointees decides not to participate yeah that's yeah that's good that's good feedback so under the circumstances i don't know if you need a motion or a sense of the group i'd prefer that we just just leave the nominations as they are for now i don't think there needs to be a motion but i but i think i think having some guidelines um in regards to the appointments i was thinking consistent with what we have for advisory bodies when someone misses a certain number of meetings then then they uh they're no longer considered a member i'm not sure if we have a specific guideline but there are provisions in the government code that that discuss when an office is presumed to be vacant they're pretty forgiving you have to miss meetings for i think three months in a row or something like that so okay also to answer your question about the wassak they did that did not have alternatives okay thank you okay well at this point then we can hold off on that so if you could can you name those people that um reach the threshold votes for the appointment yes um patrice boil gus sabios timory gordon denise holbert keshav kumar and david shuman thank you so um in terms of action um is there a motion to appoint those six members at this time based on the vote move to approve i'll second that so um this is a motion to approve patrice boil gus sabios timory gordon denise holbert keshav kumar and david shuman to the charter amendment committee um all those in favor please say aye those opposed that motion passes unanimously with um council member chase absent thank you okay next we'll move on to the meeting calendar um i don't know if anyone has any comments um regards to the calendar not some member crone i do um since i cannot really talk about it um let me see where there it is um i wanted to uh make a motion to place the resolution of the city of santa cruz in support of educating tenants on their rights to post political signs under california civil code section 1940.4 on the next uh council agenda any discussion okay that motion pass uh fails for lack of a second um any other discussion regarding the um calendar okay seeing none we um at this time are recessing to closed session at 5 30 p.m council members will recess from closed session return to the days to hear from the public for oral communications following oral communications council members will return to the closed session when we will finish that item i'd also like to announce that the 7 p.m session overflow will be available in the tony hill room at this point we're adjourning to the closed session 5 30 p.m for oral communication yes sir oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community speak to us on items that are not listed on today's agenda are there any members of the public that wish to speak to us in regards to oral communications okay everybody seated too yes okay um if so please line up to my left to your right and you'll have two minutes to speak sir please step up your you can begin ruse thomas from do4 neighbors i'm here to provide a brief update uh what's happening with our petition this is the hard copy in case just keep going you can hand it after it was presented two weeks ago i want to say thank you for helping inspire some discussion and the news is um we had a four-party meeting yesterday it was a very good discussion among the neighbors starbucks blaze pizza and some city folks and it was very interesting to hear everybody's um take on what's going on and um there is a sense that starbucks and blaze pizza want to find a collective solution so positive news there officer sergeant uh i don't know how to see your last name everlith was there anyways um a couple items to note that i think you're going to be getting a form a more another update as things really solidified but right now we're in a state of talking about no idling signs on do4 street and starbucks has talked about um adding some be courteous to your neighbors placards in their business which was a really i thought a really good suggestion talk of establishing a designated loading zone is one of the key things that i think has come out of this because no no no there was no designated space for starbucks and blaze pizza deliveries to take place prior um delivery times will be a key um notion that also has to be resolved because of noise and vibrations case in point the reason this was raised to a level of a petition was um happened just last friday after two days of being woken up at midnight um the noise and vibrations i called the police to report a disturbance of the piece i opened my front door so they could hear it it was so loud the police dispatcher could not hear me so just these are real problems and i really appreciate the help that's been provided because we've got some meetings and discussions going that seem to be help um working towards the solution thank you very much thank you thank you for the feedback i appreciate you coming back the assistance um city manager i think has been tasked with reporting back to you with the results from the planning department martin who who's been assigned you know the woman said it's in the plan department tina no is this no tina yeah i think it was tina's hold sold tina shoal shoal yeah okay tina shoal okay great thank you next speaker please hi i'm satio ryan um i want to thank you for the action you took this afternoon um i want to say more about 5g in general and my opinion is that should not be happening at all not just delayed i've been i've been talking with the planning department quite a lot and i've learned that the 5g cell towers will need to be installed every 500 feet or 40 per square mile which um and i'm assuming that that's per carrier so the actual number could be double or triple that amount i've seen the ads for the the 5g internet of things about self-driving cars and smart appliances and i'm don't know if people know this but this frequency has only been used so far by the military for um as a weapon for crowd control purposes it's never been used in public spaces before and it's never been tested before so my question comes is like who who is looking out for our safety i hear that we want to look out for our safety but the standards for safety set by the FCC are based on 20 year old testing and recent scientific studies have have shown serious harm at levels thousands of times lower than that to humans animals plants so it's something worth looking into and also um the 1996 telecommunications act which i'm sure you're all aware of but i wasn't exempts health and environmental concerns from any of these tower installations and and how is that fair to us i don't understand so it seems to me that the FCC and the telecom industry are not concerned with our health and safety so we need to be and there's no lack of wireless coverage in this town and i don't think we need self-driving cars and smart appliances so what are we trading for that you know wire thank you thank you thank you next speaker please hi i'm gail necunum and i want to thank you for voting not to streamline 5g um i live across uh within a thousand feet of a new cell tower um i don't live in capitola but that's where the tower is and since then i've been having trouble sleeping like one morning i was up till four in the morning just wired you get wired and you get tired and there's no way out of this i mean i live there unless i want to move to the you know the wood somewhere i guess so what i'm thinking of is ways to protect myself and i did find this material it's called skiff segmented compartmented secure compartmented information facility it is what the government uses to keep its data facilities from being hacked and it blocks 10g and you can use it in the walls and the way they're going you're probably going to have to use three or four layers of this because fifth generation has a wide range of frequencies as you know and it is used for crowd control dispersion it makes your skin feel like it's burning um so i'm not going to argue with the military i'm not going to wait for people to um stop this because the telecom industry is probably going to get its way unless we're like some other cities that are suing the fcc for trying to push this kind of law so thank you thank you next speaker please um keith mckenry with food not bombs and um you we uh rented uh laden elson so that we could raise money for uh um Santa Cruz disaster preparedness plan and we've already gotten like water filtration we're seeking a space for another uh container we've uh are collecting a lot more food and and uh we're prepared for the life of the earthquake or something like that that we could respond and help the community as we did in past earthquakes and other disasters and so um we rented this space i've rented laden elson a number of times and then uh um about 4 30 the day of our event i received a phone call from uh sherry to come down and show that we are residents in the community and so i um uh brought them my driver's license which has my mail my mailbox uh at the downtown post office it's because i don't have any other personal information about being here other than my mailbox and i brought down our flyer to show that we actually cook we actually cook at india jose and we um rent his space every week for years and we share at the downtown post office but we were told by staff that we were not residents and we'd have to pay an additional fee and so um that we think is unreasonable and now the city has uh uh additional hundred dollars of ours which they're not willing to return and so what's most important is that there are many people that actually live here who don't have physical addresses like food not bombs other than you know we rent every saturday and sunday from 12 30 to 3 30 and those people should be allowed to be considered residents if they are in fact residents as we are and that you should uh um not give like a roughly 30 minutes notice that you need to prove that you're a resident so i would like the uh hundred dollars return to food not bombs as soon as humanly possible thank you next speaker please hello i'm natelix.canady at gmail.com 3469888 uh i was just speaking earlier about how we've got the technology to translate voice into text live and i've got my tablet right here doing it right now so what i think we really need to do with these meetings is we need to make them more friendly to those that are hard of hearing and deaf and those who are blind and hard of sight and the as far as all this goes we need for uh we need to have radio broadcasts of these meetings people can listen to into it on their car tune into it at home um where you don't need video uh at the same time for people that are uh deaf or hard of hearing we can have uh live subtitles saying every word that showing every word that they say up on the screen and not only that but the people who are not native english speakers many spanish speakers around here we can do live translations into any into just about any other language spanish french german you name it and so while we could have a live feed of the of what somebody's saying at the bottom of the screen on on tv at home and or up here and also have up on the top uh or one one on the top one on the bottom uh have a translation into spanish so every word that i'd be saying would pop up as a spanish word on the bottom of the screen and uh last note here i've already said my email uh you guys should know it by now so i want to talk to any council member who's willing to take the time so please get back to me with an email of what you have on your schedule thank you before you speak are there any other members of the public that would like to speak during oral communications if you'd please line up to my left any other members of the public that wish to speak at this time okay ma'am you'll be our last speaker so please go ahead sir thank you for hearing me my name is vince faunce of santa cruise i'm speaking on behalf of the residents of viaduct court where a small hilltop community near the santa cruise wharf in the last three weeks there have been three fires along the hillside and the path below our homes all of them have been extinguished by the fire department fortunately the first two didn't cause any damage but the most recent one this last sunday did cause a house fire it was witnessed by council woman narayan if i'm saying her name right thank you very much uh the path in the hillside i'm talking about is about a thousand foot stretch between depot park and the santa cruise wharf along those thousand feet it touches a children's playground a bmx bike park the neary lagoon wildlife refuge an official monarch butterfly habitat the roaring camp train track a thousand-year-old trussell and the monterey bay sanctuary exploration center i'd like to address three issues that have come up since these fires have begun when responding to our 911 calls each time the emergency responders had trouble identifying finding and accessing this area we had hoped to see an increase in security or police presence but we haven't and we feel that it'll be wise to clear drive rush and fall in the wood in the area which we have done personally but as i mentioned there is a monarch reserve habitat that we don't want to go into so we the residents of e dot court hope that the city council can see the vulnerable nature of this important area consider the following measures for the depot park path assure local emergency responders have knowledge of its path and access points increased security on patrol and clear brush and deadwood thank you very much thank you if you could leave your um a mailing address or email address so write it on one of the sheets um we'll make sure that you get some follow-up also from staff actually have maps here if anyone is unfamiliar and i'll add my email thank you um okay ma'am you're our last speaker you step up hello my name is tammy donnelly i'm here because i'm extremely concerned about the 5g i think that if we could see all these invisible waves once the cell phone towers came in the wi-fi the smart meters nobody would dare to approve this because we're already so saturated there's so many health problems there's i'm actually became electrically sensitive once they started installing the cell phone towers at cabrillo i live very close to there and i help a lot of people and i've invested a lot of money and time into testing things products and devices in the home and wearable to help protect people but this 5g is so intense i don't think there's anything out there to protect us that you know animals i mean the whole i know they're trying to fast forward this through the whole country and if you guys i don't know if you guys have listened to tom wheeler who's in charge of the fcc who's supposed to protect us i mean he's made it super clear that it's so important for these companies to make their billions of dollars and he even says if anybody tells you this 5g you know that they question you run as fast as you can the other way don't listen to him because he goes as quote is it's damn important for these companies to get their billions of dollars and that's what it is it's follow the money it's all about the money and so they obviously are not here to protect our health so as as the city and the county we have to do it individually and a lot of them are not enough but it's starting because people know the dangers of this it's not like just going from 4g to 5g it could be hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful and recently somebody i know that went to the rise and cell phone told them that if you that know none of the phones are going to work on 4g you're going to be forced if you have a cell phone to use 5g and that you're going to have to upgrade your phones and have no service so it's very serious thank you thank you all right that concludes the oral communication we um mayor can we just get back uh information about what the residency requirement is for loud and nelson um yes i was going to do that if you want to talk about it right now i mean we can ask for direction to find out what the residency requirement is let me ask um and i'll just maybe ask you are you a resident of the city of santa cruz yes i am you are and and what is that the address if you want to write it down and we can just check to make sure here okay okay so okay so thank you we'll look into that and we'll get back with you okay thank you sir we'll get back with you okay let me just say that um that concludes oral communication we're going to return back at 7 p.m. for an evening session um but we'll have um uh a um we'll have to clear the room now until we begin our 7 p.m. session so thank you for being here it's driver's licenses there oh we'll let him we'll look at it i mean okay no no she she'll is asking a question okay okay good evening welcome to our now 705 session of the october 9 2018 meeting of the city council i'd now like to ask the clerk to please call the roll thank you mayor council member it's crone here Matthews here chases absent brown is currently absent noroyan is currently absent vice mayor Watkins here and mayor trousers here before we begin um we did have some extra space set up um in another room but we're right now looking at our sole item on this evening's agenda um this item is to review the fiscal and administrative analysis of the Santa Cruz rent control and tenant protection act we'll have a presentation from our planning department and the consultant that developed the report we'll again begin with the presentation then we'll follow with staff or questions from the council then we'll take public comment and return to the council for deliberation and action there were two people who requested additional comment time after the presentation in advance of the meeting that was Cynthia Berger from the Santa Cruz tenants association are you here miss Berger okay thanks and also Josie Buchanan from Santa Cruz together are you here thanks okay i'd like to now turn it over to um planning director lee butler thank you mayor and council members good evening on june 26th of this year after receiving verification from the county clerk that the Santa Cruz rent control and tenant protection act petition had the minimum number of signatures required to place that item on the november ballot the council voted to do just that place the item on the november ballot and so on november 6th the voters will be uh deciding on measure m and if approved measure m would mandate the creation of a rent board that is elected and put in place various rent control and just cause eviction criteria at that same june 26th meeting the council directed staff to hire a consultant to evaluate the fiscal and administrative effects of the act as they would apply to the city the council did not request a market-based analysis only fiscal and administrative analyses staff prepared a request for proposals and sent it out to interested parties including the two main groups representing the proponents and opponents of the measure we had a number of responses that were received all from very highly qualified firms and we selected the law firm of colantuno high smith and wotley to prepare the independent analysis the report that they prepared was included in your packet and with that i'd like to introduce michael colantuno to present the findings of the report good evening as as expected i'm michael colantuno i'm a local government attorney i have practiced in california for about 30 years and have represented a broad range of local governments my particular expertise is in the revenue side of local government finance but i also have a broad grounding in all of the things that cities do and what i have done is what you have asked me to do which was to study the measure and gather data about the experiences of other rent control cities to help you to appreciate the impacts of this measure on your government it's not uh i did not attempt to evaluate the impacts of this measure on your marketplace your economy your tenants your landlords so with that explanation let's dive into the slides which summarize my report and allow me to expand upon it for you the rent board and the city council will be two legislative bodies in one agency that creates opportunities for conflict because your powers will overlap to some extent and it also creates opportunities for cooperation the rent board will control rents evictions and relocation assistance the city council will continue to control land use building codes and code enforcement and has some authority to supplement the policies of the rent board the city attorney's role is affected by the measure two the rent board will appoint its own council the city attorney is required to defend the initiative but should he be unable or unwilling to do so the measure allows private parties to do so at public expense the rent board board can pursue civil remedies against landlords to enforce its rent control and just eviction policies but it can't pursue criminal remedies only the city attorney has that authority in conjunction with the district attorney the reason your charter and most charters provide that there's one city attorney who advises all city officials is to prevent legal fights within the organization if you all got one lawyer he or she has to sort of figure it out and can resolve legal disputes in that way if you've got two lawyers you will regularly have two opinions sometimes three and that produces the opportunity for conflict in berkeley there has been some litigation between the city council and the rent board although it's not entirely clear the law would allow that so having two lawyers means the possibility of differing legal opinions the likelihood of it on at least some points particularly given that the city attorney's role will be to maximize the authority of the institution of the city as a whole and the rent boards council's role but to maximize the authority of the rent board starting up the rent board the obligate the the act obligates the city to do it your council will appoint the initial seven member board the city is required to quote advance all necessary funds to ensure the effective implementation of the act both necessary and effective have some room for discretion within them there's room for judgment there this is effectively a loan that's what the word advance means and the loan is to be repaid from future housing feeds if they're established if they survive the um legal challenge and they are collected i think all of those things are likely to be true eventually we just can't tell how quickly how long the loan would be outstanding uh city management staff would staff the board until it hires an executive director the rent board is to be treated like your other departments are in terms of receiving support from the city clerk finance hr it and other administrative departments it's subject to cost sharing as other departments are what that means if it's your current practice not to charge your departments for certain things like space in city hall you won't be able to charge the rent board for those things until you change your cost allocation practice for everybody so as long as they're treated like everyone else you can make them pay their full uh share of the cost of running their programs they can request certain services from the city attorney the building official and code enforcement staff but those requests don't have to be honored and if they're honored they don't have to be honored for free so what will this cost the short and honest answer is i don't know because no one can know because we can't predict with certainty the choices that an elected rent board will make what we can do is make some educated guesses based on the experience of other cities establish a range of magnitude and give you a sense of where these numbers lie so these numbers look a little bit precise you're going to see 218 dollars and rounded to two digits they're not precise at all we don't have the ability to see the future that clearly this is just intended as a ballpark so these estimates are based on data collected from principally Berkeley and Santa Monica because they're the only cities have that have elected rent boards and i think the fact of an elected rent board is a meaningful difference a board that you report you appoint and that reports to you and serves at your pleasure is likely to have a perspective that balances the other objectives of the city a rent board that's elected to be only a rent board and is responsible only to the voters is likely to have a perspective much more narrowly focused on rent board issues so i think those two kinds of institutions are likely to behave differently presumably that's why the framers of the measure provided for an elected rent board they thought it made a difference and that difference is likely to have fiscal implications i have also looked at data from Richmond because it's the latest startup city mountain view is a startup city but we couldn't get their data quickly enough to put it in your report and we have a data point from west hollywood the relevance of which to you is debatable which is that west hollywood is the one city that we identified that subvenes supports their rent board budget with general city revenues one could argue we haven't had chance to talk to them about it that was intended to make for a more ambitious program one could argue that was intended to keep rent fees down housing fees down could do one or the other i don't have any way to read the roar shock plot on that and i'm sure it's arguable okay so that's those are our data sources let's see um what will actually happen will turn on such things as the choices the rent board makes whether prop 10 passes in a member it's behind at the moment but there's a month to go and a lot of money to be spent so who knows where that's going um whether litigation delays implementation of the measure etc so who are we looking at in terms of our comparators and what are some of the relevant data about them berkeley's rent board has a budget of 5.17 million dollars it has 22 full-time equivalent staff it has twice a santa cruz's population it has 20 thousand units under regulation and its housing fee is 250 a year per unit santa monica's budget is 5.7 million dollars it has 25 full-time equivalent employees it has one and a half times your population it has 26 360 units regulated and its fee is 198 dollars a year per unit you could say there's some economies of scale there you could say that santa monica's less ambitious than berkeley there's lots of ways to interpret these numbers and as i noted west hollywood perhaps uniquely we haven't surveyed all of the rent control cities out there but that's the only city we know about that provides a general fund subsidy and of course a general fund subsidy is not required that would be a decision for your council and every future council so assuming a range of 5100 of 5800 units subject to both rent control and just cause eviction i'm focusing on rent control and not just cause eviction because most rent boards do not provide very substantial services on the just cause eviction side then i'll send a lawyer into every courtroom for every tenant most of their energy goes into rent control not just cause eviction so we think rent control is the right uh data point to use in estimating and again these are just estimates of costs 216 dollars and 258 dollars are adjustments of the numbers i gave you on the last slide for berkeley and santa monica's fees adjusted to the number of units of housing that you have to regulate so we took their fee their budget divided it by their number of units to get at a price per unit and applied that to your estimated number of units and that's where the 216 and 258 come from again they end in in two digits but they're just rough orders of magnitude that budget 5100 low estimated units times the low fee gets you a minimum budget of a million one a year if you apply the 5800 number to the largest budget gets you a million five so it's a million one to a million five is a rough order of magnitude for a rent control program in the city if you were to grant a 30 percent a subsidy that would go to 1.4 to 1.9 there's a pretty wide range there from 1 1 to 1 9 that's almost doubling but still you know the order of magnitude it's not 20 million it's not 20 000 it's a million or two so what about startup costs this is to be quite honest a wild ass guess this is just my sense of what a minimal startup team would likely look like an executive director two analysts and administrative assistant just to get started post your agendas conduct your meetings write your staff reports help you develop policies etc berkeley's got 22 santa monica's got 25 you're probably looking at a lot more than four eventually and you and it will take more than four people to consume a budget of two million bucks but just getting started i think you're probably looking at four people i assumed 150 000 fully loaded per position because that's about what you spend in your community development department obviously 150 averaging an executive director and a secretary an average describes neither of them but it's just again a rule of thumb so i'm looking about 600 000 in just personnel for that startup phase there are obviously other costs too which we really haven't tried to model now we looked at richman's startup costs because they're that's the best um nearby city that did something similar recently their measure was approved in november of 16 they have 950 uh 9558 units subject to rent control and just cause eviction they have 10 460 units subject to just cause eviction only those are units built after 95 that are protected from rent control by the hawkins uh cost of hawkins which we'll talk about in a minute that's about 20 000 units in total their budget for the remainder of the fiscal year in which the measure was passed it was 1.15 million dollars their budget for the first full fiscal year is 2.8 million dollars because richman has almost twice the number of regulated units at santa cruz take that 1.1 number and double it to 2.3 year it shows that 1.1 to 1.9 wide range like gave you seems to be on the money it's this is a way to sort of validate these estimates but again these are all just estimates who pays for this these are the funding sources available to your housing board under this measure if it passes first is a housing fee on landlords which this measure says cannot be passed through to tenants but which constitutional law is going to be required to be recovered from rents because it's going to be a lawful cost of the business and the constitution requires the business to be allowed to recover its lawful costs and a fair rate of return on their investment so tenants are going to pay that fee one way or the other whether it shows up on a rental statement or in a separate bill from the land order not they're going to pay it one way or the other service fees on tenants the rent board may charge tenants for services so for example if they're providing information or assistance in the just cause eviction setting they might choose to means test their services and provide subsidized services to the poor and charge a fee to the folks who could afford a lawyer if they wanted one most rent boards have at least some fees coming in even if they're only public records copying costs and then there's the possibility of a general fund subvention as i said i only know that west hollywood does it doesn't have to happen it's up to your future elected leaders as to whether it does as i mentioned landlords are constitutionally entitled to a fair return on investment exactly what that is is a complicated topic the measure has a formula in it but that formula is just a recitation of the legal standard and the legal standard is factually dependent which is a nice lorally way of saying you get litigation because there aren't clear answers there's stuff to argue about and when there's stuff to argue about in money at stake people argue fees may not exceed the cost of regulation under prop 13 prop 26 your fees have to cover the cost of your regulatory program the trend of the prop 26 case law which has been coming out of late is fairly flexible and generous to um rate makers your city made the very first published case under prop 26 with the late mr griffith which upheld a a a fee that was calculated in a fairly simple way it was a spreadsheet i believe from your planning department saying this is how many permits we expect to issue this is the full-time cost the grossed up cost of the staff we're going to do it permits divided by dollars equals a permit fee that fairly simple fee making was upheld in griffith versus city of santa cruz so as long as they have a basis to demonstrate they're not just you know running the police department on the rent fee they'll be fine in in covering their costs so i don't think we need to have an elaborate conversation about that all fees will affect rents but rents are essential to fund the rent fees are a fund essential to fund the rent board so there's this tension between you want a high fee to have an ample program to accomplish the social good in the world you're trying to accomplish but the higher the fee the more impact there is on tenants so that balance between how much can we afford is going to be the rent boards challenge state law the ellis act entitles landlords to get out of the rental housing business they can move in and make it an owner occupied property they can sell it for owner occupied use they can convert an apartment building into condos they can convert a residential structure to non-residential use if your zoning allows it so there are ways to get out of the regulated marketplace and recapture that that real estate value the costa hawkins act mandates vacancy decontrol under costa hawkins rent control prevents the landlord from raising the rent during a tenancy when the space goes vacant the landlord has freedom to set whatever rent the market will will bear and then the new tenant is protected again so rent control protects incumbent tenants without respect to their income vacancy control protects units without respect to who lives in them so they can see decontrol which requires you to protect only incumbent tenants while they're incumbent makes for a more modest rent control program and rent since Santa Monica rose very rapidly after costa hawkins became the law incumbent tenants were protected but affordable housing was not so the rent control versus vacancy decontrol is a crucial distinction costa hawkins imposes vacancy decontrol statewide if it's repealed in november three restrictions on rent control will go away one is the mandated vacancy decontrol two is the exemption for single family properties and three is the exemption for properties constructed after 1995 and in your case that's significant because it would greatly increase the number of units subject to your rent boards authority and that affects of course the scope of work and the budget so let's see here's a controversial statement the number of regulated units can be expected to decline under rent control as landlords exercise their LSX rights and as fewer rental units are developed there is authority for that proposition there's some studies of the number of units in berkeley and Santa Monica there is the legislative analysis of prop 10 and there's a somewhat disputed report from an economist named rosen at berkeley there are counter arguments i did not mean to wade into these arguments about market effects because you didn't ask me to and because it is debatable so why is it in my report when you're doing fiscal modeling it is important to be conservative in your projections because if you staff up and then can't fund those people and lay people off bad things happen to those people and to your credibility as an employer and your ability to deliver services to the people that you serve so in the fiscal context i think it makes sense to accept this premise even if you don't accept it in the marketplace analysis setting so we should be prepared for the possibility that these numbers will overstate your financial wherewithal and overstate how much you can fund of a program but i really didn't mean to wade into the debate about effects on the housing marketplace because you specifically asked me not to prop 10 if prop 10 passes in november it repeals costa hawkins and this measure specifically terminates event vacancy decontrol it requires vacancy control in your city and it requires your rent board to enforce vacancy control and the option to get out of vacancy control for some are all parts of your housing market would require another initiative another ballot measure so there's a particular choice in this measure and it's it's a policy choice that's an appropriate one for your community to make but it but it is there and it should be understood if prop 10 passes the number of regulated units will increase the workload of the board will increase berkeley berkeley's executive director predicts his staff will double if prop 10 passes they've had rent control for a much longer time so the number of units that would come back into their marketplace is large it's behind in the published polls but well-funded campaigns are under way for and against and nobody can perceive the future because if we could we'd all be betting on the stock market so if prop 10 passes here's the impact we see on your budgets we think the number of units goes to 12404 that's taken right out of the census number of units in your community that's why there's only one number in both lines again that 216 into 58 fee which we talked about previously takes your budget up to 2.7 to 3.2 rather than 1.1 to 1.4 and if you gross it up by 30 just because one city did you're in the 3.54 to 4.2 range only two recommendations one is if it passes we recommend that the city council negotiate a memorandum of understanding with the rent board to clarify roles and responsibilities to provide for that startup loan and the terms under which it will be repaid berkeley has effectively an understanding that was worked out casually and painfully over years of cohabitation and conflict i think doing it thoughtfully in writing at the beginning of the relationship can probably save you a lot of um storm and drung over the years the only second recommendation is your staffs and that is take public comment and receive and file this report no action on this report is recommended to you i'm happy to take questions now i'm also happy to get out of the way and let you talk to your constituents and take questions later great thank you so much for that report um i'll ask are there any council member questions at this time council member crone yeah hi thanks for the uh the presentation um one of the big questions was 30 why why did you include that that at all because i mean there's 15 cities that have been controlling in the city california and is that the only one that does this that takes money out of the um general fund budget it's the only one that i know of and as i've told you there's two ways to interpret it either the city council's trying to protect the tenants from a large housing fee or the city council's trying for a more ambitious housing program and i can't tell you which that is i put it in to give you a sense of the range of possibilities for your community but that's a choice that you have to make as well as the rent board and you have to make it every year did you mean protect like landlords from paying the fee or why why tenants from charging what is what fee do they pay when the landlord pays the housing fee they're constitutionally entitled to recover it from rents so if you're trying to keep rents low you need to keep housing fees low and using general fund money to operate the rent control board so that housing fees don't have to has that effect because rent not all tenants are low income this protects every tenant not low income tenants what some communities do is they let you pass through some of it or they let you pass through all of it and then rebate it to those who prove to the city that they're low income so they pass it through to everyone and then you can come to city hall and get it if you're low yeah i like that uh as part of it um this one prohibits an overt pass through but it can't prohibit the implicit pass through because the constitution requires it and um you're saying that on page um three it says we conclude a successful challenge to elected renfors unlikely and then you footnoted at the bottom it's uh 2007 that was that recently home Berkeley got sued when they passed theirs and one Santa Monica got sued when they passed theirs and one i don't think there's any serious question that rent control conceptually is constitutional i don't think there's a serious question that this measure is constitutional that doesn't mean you may not end up in court about it right and um uh it's it's a charter amendment in both those cities uh that's correct and on page uh berkeley's is an ordinance i think it was an ordinance followed by a charter amendment to create the rent board rent control was an ordinance in berkeley Santa Monica is a charter amendment for both on page four the um it says that we conclude that the rent board must fund prosecution uh prosecutions what is what do you mean by that means they don't get the city attorney services for free they want them they have to pay for them um on page five you said that um led to conflicting legal opinions do you have any examples of that um about the city attorney represents all city officers but that fact will likely lead to conflicting legal opinions i'm defending the city of riverside at the moment from a lawsuit filed by the mayor alleging that his um veto power extends to the city manager's contract um that's an example of when there's more than one lawyer advising city officials you get conflict the fact that the city council of berkeley once thought the rent board was too generous to landlords and sued them over their general rate to increase shows you that two lawyers means different opinions as for what it's worth the rent board won um i thought that was a really interesting case too uh on page um six you're said we concluded the city is not obliged to grant such requests that is the request the city to conduct uh well when if the rent board wants sort of money or a supplement to its budget it's not shallow but it's a request right and the city council can turn it down the only thing you're obliged to do in terms of money is loan the startup costs according to the um the way the ordinance is written that's right or the charter amendment um i would say a question for the city manager what do you remember when we started like the recycling programs and the yard waste programs there wasn't immediate income coming in from people paying bills we had to put up a upfront um startup costs you know i wasn't here when when that was started up so i i can't recollect i think although it isn't necessarily completely uncommon for there to be startup costs to provided for various you know uh city um public purposes thanks on uh on page seven you talk about code enforcement do you know of any any rent board that has that power that to have the higher code enforcers would that be one of the analysts could that be one of their job descriptions to be also be a code enforcer or is that getting to the territory of the planning department i don't think anybody does it i don't think there's a legal reason you couldn't do it i also think it's a really bad idea the reason i think it's a bad idea is that code enforcement involves a whole lot of codes that expect a whole lot of things out of property owners and if you've got one set of code enforcement staff that's just looking at tenancy habitability issues and another code enforcement staff that's looking at zoning compliance landage compliance noise other stuff you're going to have to coordinate the efforts of those two and you're going to create inefficiency and duplication of effort and cost so i don't know anybody who does it doesn't make sense to me to do it that way having said all of that this is pure policy and if you had reasons to want to do it that way you could and on page eight about the fees and stuff i assume that the 258 dollars per unit came from the number of units divided by 5.17 million yes but then what was the 216 and the 198 216 for Santa Monica i guess and 198 for Berkeley the those are their actual adopted fees on their tables at the moment that's they charge landlords for each unit per year 250 and 198 and we adjusted them to 216 and the other number to your situation for your your caseload we basically adjusted them for the number of units that you have the only thing i really have a hard time with in this report is putting the 30 percent subsidy since it's not a regular thing were you asked to do that or just did it because you thought that was i thought it helped frame your thinking i didn't intend to push you towards it or push you against it but it's it's there's only 15 cities out there so all of them there's some extent part of your peer group and did you say that in the report that the west hollywood at the time had a very pro tenant uh council is that is that how that came about there as you know there aren't very many non-democrats in west hollywood but there are flavors of democrats in west hollywood an experience with which i think you have experience and one of the flavors of democrats in west hollywood is their tenants rights party that's not the name of it but it's the tenants rights organization committee that had a lot to do with the incorporation of that city had a lot to do with who got on the first council in the city of richmond on page uh 12 did they pay back their startup cost of 1.1 million i don't know the answer to that but i would be surprised because it's so fresh but you don't know the status like they're making their payments and they have a payment schedule worked out i didn't ask that question did they do an mo you do you know i don't know the answer to that um and and you don't know about mountain view in richmond mountain view was um non communicative they're probably busy setting it up and not busy talking about it yeah um and the last thing i'll say is on bottom of page 14 it says even berkeley's rent board staff council are members of the city's civil service they report and i just think that's probably they have good labor practices in um berkeley they their executive vector was quite frank with us that they don't want to mess with the city unions they don't want to have a beef with the unions about taking work away from the the union's bargaining unit i think that's partly about how their board members get elected and it's partly about the philosophy of their board members but they respect the union rights of the city's bargaining agents thanks maybe i'll just ask a follow-up on that question because you said it was an ordinance originally in berkeley was and so how does that conflu- here we have a an independent charter amendment that would set up an independent board that you could you have something where you these would be city employees here this measure requires all rent board employees to be treated as all other city employees are with the exception of the manager the lawyer and the hearing officers in the hearing officer capacity what that means is that your regular civil service system with the city manager serving as the appointing official for everybody is going to apply to the rent board staff so there's a condominium here where they work for the executive director perhaps but they're hired and fired by the city manager another topic that i think could be productively included in your mo you and probably requires meet and consult with your bargaining units following up on david's question did they pass the ordinance by a vote of the people and then these were both initiatives the council went back out to the people and asked about a charter amendment for the rent board the voters initiated rent control and when some folks in the community thought the council was insufficiently passionate about the subject they then amended it by charter amendment at a subsequent election to establish an elected rent board yeah thanks councilman ryan so the the figure that interests me is the $600,000 startup fee and that doesn't count a lot of other expenses that you mentioned in here what is your experience looking at other places where these have been where you know the fees the city needs to provide the funding for the startup how long does it take for a rent board to become self-sufficient where the city isn't providing funds for its operation if the rent at the housing fee is collected on the property tax roll which may be the most efficient way to do it you're going to create this in november of 18 you're going to get the data to the assessor in august of 19 and you're going to start seeing income in december of 19 so you'll see a half a year's worth of the initial housing fee in december of 19 if there's nothing there's no slips between now and august you should be able to accomplish that unless there's a lawsuit and even if there's a lawsuit a courts should be unwilling to prevent you from collecting the money in the interim so i think a rational a reasonable expectation is that you'll have money coming in the door from the primary money source in december of 19 you'll start incurring costs in november of 18 and so you've got a little more than a year where you've got money out the door and no money in okay so that's a that's a year where the city is providing support for this operation and then at that point do you know you know is there an interim time between when the city you know is no longer providing the money to when it's fully self-sufficient i think that you're asking the rent board to take a year's worth of income each year to cover their activities in that year and pay back the debt the more quickly you require them to pay back the debt the less services they can provide so there's a judgment call to be made for this council on that board about how much you can afford to invest in this social socially benefit and beneficent effort um and how ambitious you want them to be how quickly and striking that balance is what negotiations are for and so i assume that these other cities that we're talking about um have budgets similar to santa cruz they're tight their shoe string you know we're we're trying to pay for services pay for salaries um you know and we're looking at even making cuts because of the the cal purse there are the pension liability so have what have you seen these other cities cut in terms of services to backfill this operation for a year like is there a typical way that cities are going about cutting other other services to backfill this i don't know the answer to that question and i would expect each city you know there's that ancient there's that line from anna carenna every happy family is the same and every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way i think all 15 budgets are unhappy in their own way okay okay so that you haven't seen a typical like we cut parks we cut okay all right thank you i have a i have a couple questions did i quote the wrong Russian novel no no that's the first time i think anna carenna has been referenced to the council um i wanted to ask two questions i didn't i don't recall reading in the report but for Santa Monica west hollywood uh berkeley richman those are all elected rent boards there's only two elected rent boards okay that's why i spend so much time talking about berkeley and Santa Monica okay so for the elected rent boards the costs of elections they're folded into the fees that are charged they should be yes and what are the costs if you know for elections there um your clerk or your city manager is going to have a more useful answer to that question than i am because it's it's very someplace to place i'm i'm sure it's non-trivial okay the other the other question i had just in relation to that when there's over time as you look to see maybe the cost structure of the operation changes how does that work in terms of then levy new fees on the landlords is that something that's required to vote like when we think of we want to raise a tax or a fee on the public is that something that would have to go for a vote of the people so is there any legal issue there i know the rent you said there's no constitutional issue regarding the issue of um you know forming a rent board but what about the actual fees that are levied for the services that are being provided by the rent board because these are regulatory fees assuming they're limited to the cost of regulation which is the reasonable cost of implementing this charter amendment they can be imposed without a hearing without an election without notice they just have to be cost justified and then is the the rent board would be the body that would oversee oversee the justification for the fee that's what's cost okay that's right and where there are challenge to the fee they would be the ones to defend it when they have money to defend it with which will be a couple of years out and for those rent boards that you looked at for the two elected rent boards did they also you said they you used a factor of their salary what was what was the the salaries for the rent board you had the administrative staff estimates but i didn't see you put in a estimate for the cost of the the rent boards there i didn't gather that data but i would be surprised if it is meaningful in budget terms you know on a budget of a million one to two million even if they gave them salary and benefits totaling ten thousand dollars a year apiece that's fifty or seventy thousand dollars i don't know what they're they're spending and it's going to be politically relevant but in terms of the kind of budget numbers we're talking about it's likely to be i don't want to say decimal dust but maybe a rounding error okay any other questions council member brown i think vice mayor walkins just out of follow-up question there so i i just want to be thank you first of all for the study i i really appreciated it and i want to particularly thank you for this being underwhelming as i um had suspected it would be um but uh so you know we've been hearing from and i get the mail in my mailbox at home uh suggestion that rent board members could be paying themselves uh seven figure salaries um i suppose in theory that's true but i just want to clarify that based upon your read you think that that's unlikely um rent board members subject to recall and this is not a town um quiet about the exercise of its political rights so that was uh one question and then we'll all leave it there for now because i may have other questions based upon the comments or questions that come from the audience thank you mayor it looks like transparent california has it up on their website for rent board members and looks like just what we get as council members 30 000 around and 30 000 benefits health care and stuff 60 000 per person looks like it okay all right yeah vice mayor walkins thank you thank you for the report i know it was a quick um kind of timeline i apologize if i missed it but one of the things i heard was the six thousand six hundred thousand for staffing but that the city would subsidize office space is that correct obviously people need computers and internet service and offices and all that stuff and i haven't attempted to budget that except by showing you what richmond is spending which is roughly twice that in richmond that was a charter amendment or is it ordinance there if you recall richmond is a general law city okay so that would be an initiative ordinance okay if there's no other questions i'm gonna open it up for the public any other questions at this time i'm gonna i'm gonna ask for public comment and then there might be some follow-up questions after that thank you excellent presentation and report are there any members of the public that wish to speak to this item that are present today we're going to start first of all with two organizations that requested additional time sythia berger of the santa cruz tenants association she requested four minutes and then joseb you can and if santa cruz together then if any other members of the public wish to speak after they're concluded with our presentation if you please line up to my left you're right um well you'll have two minutes each to speak so miss berger you have four minutes you have four minutes um you have four minutes hi um i recently spoke to nicholas trailer who is executive director of the richmond rent board they do not receive any pay i recently spoke to lenny seagull who is the mayor of mountain view they do not receive any pay these are the most recent ones none of their board members receive any pay that is their um these are cities where you know commissioners don't generally receive pay both of those cities they are appointed though so those are that's a little different um but just so you know that um as far as uh just about evictions i um most most of evictions are dealt with in court so just cause eviction is a law regulation that has to be followed but the people who enforce that are more likely to be the court than the rent board um there may be some appeal to the rent board but evictions are dealt with in court so um that was just um a question i had when the gentleman was speaking um the payback from the payments are on schedule in mountain view according to mayor lenny seagull whatever deal they made to pay them back they're on schedule i believe in richmond they've already paid back their original loan that that's what i was told by nickles trailer um i'm going to just read a little bit here first um the report emphasizes again and again um financial uh under almost every point that any financial or administrative support that the city were to extend to the rent board would be at the city's discretion and is not required the separation of budgets is built into the language of measure m itself furthermore a city staff has suggested if there's any ambiguity or lack of clarity a memorandum of understanding what the rent board can be written before any funds are advanced for the transition stage in order to clarify this matter for voters uh we suggest that city council ask the city attorney during your discussion today if there's any language in measure m that would require a city funding of the rent board i think that was answered fairly well including staffing office space information technology and general purchases um it is the intention of measure m that the rent board be entirely self-funding it's this party pause please is this party your four minutes yeah okay are you're going to oh okay i'm sorry um and that's all pretty much that i have to say um i just did want to say that richmond yes being a poor city but and with a six point over six percent vacancy rate they're still able to charge and get over two hundred dollars a unit from their landlords and they decided that that was a reasonable thing to ask and um the city is um a strange combination of both um a richer and probably poorer than richmond and so i think that um that amount uh is not a extra high amount over two hundred dollars per unit thank you thank you next speaker please um josey bucannon from santa cruise together we have four minutes okay good evening mayor and council members my name is josey bucannon and i'm here today representing santa cruise together the 100 locally funded and managed campaign against measure m i'm here tonight not in our normal capacity to tell you and the public at home why we oppose measure m at this point i feel confident that you all know how we feel and why so we at santa cruise together do not wish to spend any more of your time telling you about this measure instead i'm here today to say thank you for all you do for our community as elected representatives some of you who are running for reelection currently we applaud the effort you have undertaken to provide a greater degree of transparency and voter information through this study that has been provided to you today the issue of housing in santa cruise is extraordinarily complex and highly contested everyone agrees that housing is a problem and that people all across the board are facing this crisis but there seems to be almost no semblance of an agreement on a solution more information can only be helpful in the public decision making process especially when that information is not subject to an outcome thank you again for the service you do for our community and for commissioning this study thanks thank you right now at this point we're going to transition to any other members of the public that would like to speak to this item are there anyone here who wants to speak to this item seated nobody so just those standing there's three people okay three people you'll have two minutes hi always nice to be back my name is bar for childs um i sent you a long and sort of detailed technical response to the report and because it's so complicated i was planning to read it um but since so many of the issues have been dealt with so well um it had to do particularly with the 30 percent i thought that was an unnecessary red flag making it seem as if rent boards might actually and i just hope the press or other opposition groups don't pick that up as if somehow um Santa Cruz will might have to spend 30 um subsidy for the rent board i think that was a red flag and even though i understand the intention of mr. Juan colantuano i love the name um i think it could be very confusing i also would like to reiterate what Cynthia requested of the city council which is that in your further discussion and deliberations you ask our city attorney to say very clearly what whether there is any language in measure m that would absolutely require payment to the rent board in other words i all of the literature that's going out horrible literature shocking literature seems to me it should be illegal to send this sort of thing out this help wanted city of Santa Cruz seeks help running new city department um create your own salary benefits and tension benefits and pension could be included that's shocking um so i just would really appreciate one of you asking our city attorney whether anything in measure m specifically requires um the city of Santa Cruz to pay the rent board i think it would be good to have a really clear statement from our attorney um it's complex and we got the complexity from the consultant um so actually i really i just want to say right now okay please no you can finish this finish that was more than a sentence it was a story and i'm okay well if you can send it to us we'll read it all right thanks next speaker please hi my name is Stanley socalo something that the attorney just uh mentioned confuses me a little bit i wanted clarification from it maybe you do too um regarding if somebody challenges the validity of the charter amendment and the city attorney chooses not to defend it then a private party can defend it at city expense does that mean win or lose the city has to pay a private attorney who chooses to defend the charter and at what rate is it and is normal rate or the city's rate or what thank you thank you next speaker please hello carol plohemus how are you thank you for all your hard work in this arena thank you for that report i thought it was really great to be able to read a report like that as a layperson and grasp it so i appreciate the simplicity and clarity so i have one question that's been bothering me for the last couple of weeks that has not been addressed either in measure m or in anything else i've heard at the city council meetings and this is something that came up around the short term rental vacation rental issue also we don't know how many rentals are in the city we know the people who come forward and do the rental inspection and fill out the farms and pay the transient occupancy tax and all the people that do that but there is undeniably a large group of people who don't so i want to know if you thought about what will the provisions be for figuring out who has rentals and what department's going to manage that and is i don't think the city has the bandwidth to do that so where does that factor in that's just a question thank you thank you next speaker please good evening just a point of detail from one of the previous comments i'm reading from the mountain view voice regarding a meeting that they held regarding the budget for the rent the rent control program just an excerpt regardless of who fits the bill the budget for the new rent control program received a lukewarm response from pretty much everyone tenant and landlord advocates both said the city officials should have tried harder to limit its costs among its significant expenses the program budget will create four new city positions which cost an average of about 170 thousand dollars in annual compensation in addition to the new staffers the budget calls for spending about seven hundred and seventy five thousand dollars on a variety of consultants lawyers and hearing officers to help administer the program city staff reminded the committee that they had a considerable four hundred and thirty thousand dollar debt to pay back to the city of mountain view for the program's costs incurred so far just a point of detail okay thanks and that was from the mountain view voice and i i just send the link if you have a chance so okay is there any other member of the public that wishes to speak to this item seeing none i'm going to bring it back to the council first of all there were three questions that came up during during the uh during the discussion the first was um asked originally um by um the organizational speaker and then came up again is are there any costs required from the city to fund the rent control program and that's that was the one that i i think started that off please go ahead the startup loan only startup loan only this do you have another relative to that as i understood it um the city would be required to support the rent board with basic operating costs to the extent that it did that for other departments that's right you have to treat it like other departments and if other departments get things for without charge the rent board would too my sense is that if you're doing that you will stop portion two departments you're going to do a cost recovery program okay the second one was in regards to liability um of the city to defend the charter um for legal fees in the event or the charter um a charter litigation in the event that the city declined to to um to litigate yeah if the measure is challenged and the city attorney were to decline to defend and the proponents or another private party defended it and they were a prevailing party um basically if they won they would be entitled to seek attorney's fees under what's called the private attorney general statute and that statute um pays you quite a bit more than a regular paying client would um there's usually a multiplier applied in order to reward people for success because we know when they're not going to get paid for failure and you're trying to make sure there's a living there so i would imagine that that's going to be a substantial six figure sum and if the litigation were protracted and went to the appellate courts it could be you know a half a million bucks okay thank you and the third question was um what types of provisions maybe in other communities they've done this but that have taken place to analyze the housing supply to have a clear understanding of what are the number of units that could potentially have an assessment for the fees or that fall under different categories of applicable law yeah there were i heard two aspects to that question one is how do we count just so we know what we're planning for and the answer is we make the best estimates we can using available data sources and the best data source at the moment is the us census let's hope it stays that way but we'll see what the federal government does this time um so we're using census data and making reason judgments from that census data the second aspect of the question was how do you enforce this against underground rentals you're you're living in a unit you move to europe rent it and don't reveal to the government that is now a rental it may be very very difficult for us to track that that is something that the rent board will grapple with and it will be i think quite a bit like enforcing your business license ordinance if somebody opens a business in town and doesn't tell you how do you know about it you may notice them you may go looking for them you may get complaints will enforcement be perfect of course not there's another question i heard that you may not have that i think is worth commenting on and that is what's the role of the rent board with respect to just cause eviction enforcement it is not meaningless but it is not nearly as demanding as rent control there are two aspects to it one is that every eviction notice has to be filed with the rent board so there's a data keeping data collecting and perhaps data analyzing role that will have some cost and some social benefit the second is that the berkeley rent board executive director said see when you evict a tenant in a rent controlled jurisdiction you have to prove to the court that you're in compliance with the rent control ordinance in order to evict so therefore the local uh superior court housing department such as it is whatever department takes these cases is going to become intimately familiar with your rent boards requirements and will in berkeley sometimes hauls them into court as effectively an amicus to say i'm getting these two competing arguments about what your regulations are and mean could you come tell me so they experience some costs for lawyers to go assist the court in the just cause eviction context but they were up front with us they said we spend more lawyers time on public records requests than we do on just cause eviction city manager martin brunel i just wanted to clarify a little bit more on the fiscal impact it's in the fiscal impact section of the agenda report but the other piece that's unclear is the leasing of uh spaces and the costs because we don't uh we're required as was noted that we treat the the rent board as the same way as we treat other general fund operations where where we don't charge rent uh however so we wouldn't be able to do that however we could change that practice and in charge departments but currently that is not our practice to charge a general fund departments for leasing spaces so that's in the fiscal report but just want to clarify that just as a follow-up don't we the city uh doesn't the city charge um through enterprise funds the charge enterprise funds uh but not the general fund departments so wouldn't this be equivalent to an enterprise fund it says all city departments so i think that may mean the most favorite city department okay doesn't mean they get the kind of public funding the police department does because the police department can't be fee funded but it means that the police department's not charged rent this agency probably can't be charged either okay all right thank you council member brown so i um actually did i i do have a question that i thought might be worth asking right now since you're here uh so we're being asked tonight to accept this report um which i'm prepared to move uh when the time comes but i also wanted to be you have another uh recommendation in the report and you mentioned it here tonight about the city council's consideration of a memorandum of understanding with uh the rent board should measure and pass and so i was hoping you could just talk a little bit more about the kinds of things that might be included in the in a such a mo you um i'm fully supportive of doing that one if and when the time comes hopefully for me um but i um you know just want to kind of understand what you consider to be some of the parameters for such an mo you i think the report touches on most of them but the broadly described is the startup loan and its repayment it is um other services made available to the rent board on what terms what do they get for free what do they pay for how do they pay for it and delineating the authority of rent board the board itself and its staff and the authority of other city actors so it may be useful to give some thought to who's going to do code enforcement who's going to do civil prosecution who's going to do criminal prosecution can they request the city attorney's services does he have the right to say no what happens when he says no those sorts of things might be helpfully thought through in the advance of any particular instance so you can have sort of decent rules of the road before you're in the heat of a political moment yeah i and thank you i saw the the overall parameters i guess i'm thinking more about things like how much the should given that we're required to um fund startup costs how you have an estimate here based upon i mean that's an educated guess as you suggest but if we were to be asked for significantly more for startup costs by the initially appointed rent board is there a way for us to i mean do we have any leeway there i think so i think what's likely to happen is that the rent board will hire an executive director and he or she will sketch out an initial strategy and a budget and come to you and say here's what i'd like can you swing this and there's going to be a negotiation that's my expectation and if you are lucky your rent board will choose somebody who can collaborate well with your city manager and if you're unlucky the city attorney will be on his toes early i've got a question just on kind of related to what um customer brown mentioned when you talked with some of the other jurisdictions that have this rent control board how much time did staff spend working with these newly formed organizations in terms of it may not be captured in the actual rent board organization but how much additional time external to the the work of the rent board was city staff doing to help support it that may not be necessarily captured as a cost after the startup phase i think it's reasonable to project that the rent board will need as much staff support as the city council does so as much staff as you put into doing agendas and answering your questions and providing your agenda packs and and and helping you correspond with your constituents in all the means that you do that same level of what i call secretariat support they're going to need and one political dynamic i see particularly in the two cities that have elected rent boards is that the easiest way to prevent political conflict between elected officials who don't answer to anybody except every two or four years is to treat the two boards alike so there's an awful lot of well if you're getting a pension at this level i'm getting a pension at this level if you get to use a room that looks like that i get to use a room that looks like there's an awful lot of conscious parity to avoid the alternative and was that just if i could follow up was that cost i know you contemplated it but was that cost captured in your analysis i've got a budget for somewhere and we're working with their all-in budget council council member crone it does not clear to me if they have a budget they're going to have analysts you know that they're the kind of thing that we get from the city manager's office is an analyst person um and then a city clerk but you're saying that that's not going to be paid for by the rent board itself they're not going to have their own analyst doing that work i i did not i said the first thing i did not say the second thing they're going to need that support and i assume they're going to pay for it yeah okay yeah they'll need more lawyers than you do the city of west hollywood has a contract city attorney who is in fact one of my mentors they have staff counsel for their rent board you said something interesting too that berkeley went to the voters they passed around control and then the people said well the city council really is not paying attention enough and i mean that's the reason i think that we have this initiative because the city council actually can't pay attention enough to the rents and housing i mean it is a huge issue that occupies a big part of our job up here but not you know i just think that it needs a lot more attention and i think that's why this is all come about that may be and you know and i don't know this is well outside what you asked me to think about but i'll observe that when the city council in berkeley sued the rent board in berkeley it was because the city council thought the rent board wasn't doing enough to protect tenants so it sort of depends on who gets elected when and which way the political winds are bowing and personalities and leadership and accidents and all that stuff i have a question um i just on that what's our budget uh for the city council do you just for the annualized budget i just don't have that on the tip of my tongue i'll look at it real quick yeah it's it's in the half a million range let me just get it real quick any other questions council member matthews oh i just thank you for the report it seemed very straightforward as someone from the public mentioned it uh i think it laid out on the one hand this on the other hand that these are your choices um and it was comprehensible to a lay person so thank you okay you want a motion to accept yeah i'll second i'll second that motion to accept the report and i'll also echo that the comments i feel like a lot of times we don't get a lot of at least review and i even think of some some of the discussion that took place regarding the housing i'd like to see more data as far as the number of units especially as we looked at seeing the results from measure u in the last um election you know some of our housing supply issues that we have that kind of play into these costs that we're talking about in terms of mitigating the cost of rent and i think that will go a long way to help us understand kind of these decisions that was moved forward to address our housing uh supply had a question for the city attorney that about um one somebody asked about requiring payment to the rent board from the city council can you say that you know without a doubt the city council can reject um any requests for money after the startup costs i can't say that without a doubt but you've received mr colin two knows opinion that the um as you know the measure states that the rent board has the authority to request and receive funding from any source including from the city um and we have discussed whether or not the the right to request and receive means that the rent board is entitled to receive what it requests and frankly we've had um internal debate about that but i think michael's analysis is sound and he's concluded in his opinion that um that it can request but it's the city council's determination as to how much it can receive right okay i just wanted to make that clear thank you well the the answer to your question about the council budget it's about four hundred thousand four hundred that's okay thanks and that's factored into the full amount with the salaries that were there for the okay thank you okay so we have a motion on the floor in a second i want to say one of the things i want to point out the conclusion here uh ensure that the act will establish a rent control just cause eviction and rental housing regulation comparable comparable to those in 15 other california cities which regulate apartment rents the city's general fund will be obligated to advance staff and funding to establish the rent board and it's programmed to be repaid from rental housing fees on landlords when those funds are available the rent board will be an independent policymaker with budget authority to the extent of its own resources its own resources and will have power to appoint some of its own staff i just want to make that clear that that's what we're what's going on here i did they feel like a tempest in a teapot that um this was all pretty clear to begin with for spending eighteen thousand five hundred dollars probably very well spent but very good report all right thank you all right we have a motion on the floor and a second any further discussion all those in favor please say aye aye impose any opposed none none this is accepting the report that's accepting the report that motion passes unanimously with council member chase absent and i think at this point that concludes all of the business for today the meeting is now adjourned