 You like it. Okay. All right, it's on gosh. I think I think it's pretty cool, but I'm so scared No, you'll be you'll be fine. I'll be ready. I'm ready So Shannon, um, did you see anything in a video that you can talk about or um? Well, the the video I did was Embargo'd so but I think it's gonna come out on Tuesday. So you see that yeah But yeah, I got to see the g-force garage where they do all of their filming and they let me take some photos of like the PC builds that they do in there. So that was really cool And I got to see the new building where they have it's called the Nvidia endeavor building and it's like a Gigantic triangle. It's huge and like all of it looks the same So it's very easy to get lost in this giant triangle of a building and at the very top. They have a bar It's called Shannon's so I was like we have to go there So does the there's a company run that bar or do they contract it out to Lake? It's it looks like a Contracted out company because there's like a bunch of like waiters and stuff on stuff And then they also have a cafeteria and that looks like it's run by like a catering business or something and then what else oh they had a store and They sold video cards in the store as well as a bunch of like Nvidia gear like so wait Can you get a actual Nvidia card at their suggested real-tale price and not the inflated? I didn't check the prices. I think currency my hair there. I have no doubt that they're cheaper than what we find online from Alternative retailers, but they didn't have any ten eighties in stock They had they had three that I saw sitting on a dude's desk. I was like, oh, that's where all the ten eighties are But that was it I am a guy who's making buy with a 1060. I just bought a 1070 for Close to MSRP. So I was I was satisfied with the price. It was a 1070 ti Oh, no, so I was pretty happy with that But man, I wish I could get a 1080, but I don't really need it 1070 is close enough. All right Think we're ready to start. I'm going to play the Which I'm gonna call it Oh the the patron read do the show open I'm gonna lock the video on you sir because when they play audio goes to me and no one needs to see my face Whatever you want to do. Hey three two The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by its audience and not outside organizations To find out more hit the Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, May 18th 2018 Tom Merritt is away in Australia, but I sir Lane holding down the ports And I am Shannon Morse in studio hack 5 here in Oakland, California And from the shores of Lake Erie, I'm Len Peralta, you know, it's so funny whenever Tom's out I'm like, how is the show gonna start? Feel I don't actually have a feline in my studio today, which is rare actually Also holding on the fort and keeping everybody's saying all week is producer Roger Chang. Hello everyone Hello, how's it going over there? Good a little breezy a little overcast, but Nice Good. Well, all right Without further ado, it's Friday guys been a long week. Let's start with a few tech things you should know This should be good news for anybody who is a fortnight fan Epic Games announced that the game is coming to Android phones this summer with customized features for mobile and battery saving mode Among others fortnight hit iOS and March and it was really popular in fact Sensor tower, which is a mobile analytics firm estimated that epic made 15 million dollars in in-app purchases in three weeks The first three weeks it was in the app store. Wow. That's a lot of money. It is. I will say I'm horrible I should have been a gamer battle royale. That game is so hard So a new report from strategy analytics says Apple sold an estimated 600,000 home pod speakers during the first quarter of 2018 about six percent of the global smart speaker market Amazon shipped an estimated four million Echo smart speakers during the quarter a 43.6 percent market share Google shipped an estimated 2.4 million Google home speakers for twenty five twenty six point five percent market share Alibaba racked up 700,000 shipments and Xiaomi shipped 200,000 Kind of a two company Race at this point. Yeah Yeah We have some more Apple news and let's talk a little bit more about it in our top stories Apple paid 1.5 billion euros Into an escrow account set up by the Irish government to hold 13 billion euros total in disputed taxes in August of 2016 if you recall the European Commission ordered Apple to pay the taxes it ruled Apple had received as a legal state aid Apple and Ireland are both appealing this ruling last October the Commission said it was taking the Matter to the European Court of Justice over delays in recovering that money So it looks like Apple is trying to be proactive even if they're late Also in Apple news after rumors all week local news station. W. R. A. L. That's in Raleigh, North Carolina Reports that Apple is set to open at second headquarters there Apple announced in January It wanted to establish a second HQ beyond where it is in Cupertino and hire an additional 10,000 people WRL reports that the only real hurdle Apple faces in Raleigh now is local legislators passing a bill to give the company a package of tax incentives a lot of tech companies already in the area IBM Cisco Pfizer it's a whole tech and and and biotech industry Yeah, surprisingly, I have a lot of family over there in the Raleigh area and the tech scene over there is Crazy booming like there's construction all over the place. So I'm not surprised that Apple is deciding to do this Well, you know the tax incentive thing when I was up in San Francisco You know, I lived there for a long time. That was the talk of the town, right? There were a lot of tech companies that you know threatened to leave Twitter was a one of the the biggest Examples of that and you know the city cities want to retain obviously companies and and and people and talent and the tax Incentive thing is kind of controversial. I don't know the details of of Raleigh's specific, you know proposals But it is a hub. What do they call it? Like it's like the tech triangle or it's a tech hub. Yeah Exactly. So it makes sense that they would be there because you've already got You know a whole industry of you know, at least the right, you know, tech talent. Yeah, absolutely It's it's one of those markets that's up and coming. So a lot of people could see it as like, oh I could grow family here. So they definitely would be incentivized to move there, especially if Apple's there Moving on the verge got hold of a leaked copy of an internal Google video that illustrates how data could direct human behavior The video was made in 2016 by Nick Foster the head of design at Google's research and development division X But the video itself is being called creepy and disconcerting by some referring to Richard Dawkins 1976 book the selfish gene the video premise imagines that people have an ever evolving online data record which Foster calls the selfish ledger and In the future tracking behavior can determine the direction of how that behavior will have Desired results Google tells the verge that the video was designed to be provocative and did not relate to any products in development At least in development yet. It's kind of funny. I kept seeing these headlines this morning black mirror. Oh, what's Google doing? It's like it sounds like somebody put something together to to you know, get an internal team thinking about something You know, it wasn't meant for the public. It's like it doesn't mean that they're building products that you know We're gonna you know ruin everybody's lives However Especially because it was you know in Google's a sort of, you know, sandbox, you know They test a lot of stuff in the X department having at least people in charge who are putting together Videos to get the employees of Google thinking about how data collection can influence people's behavior Especially these days is something that obviously people are going to find troubling Yeah, a little bit especially with AI and our issues with like security and privacy and everything it could definitely be seen as a Little bit too close to home. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I have not read the selfish gene but Perhaps I should In this day and age. All right, moving on PayPal is buying that Swedish payments provider I zettle for 2.2 billion dollars It's an all-cash deal and it happens to be PayPal's biggest purchase to date Has people bought a lot of companies, but this is the the most expensive the deal is expected to close in Q3 of this year I zettles co-founder and CEO Jacob de Geer will report to PayPal's COO bill ready and I zettled filed for an IPO Just over a week ago. So this timing is probably not coincidental It's not surprising to me that PayPal is doing this I recently spoke to somebody who works in the credit card industry, which I used to so we totally geeked out over beers for a Long time, but I discovered that there is a lot of countries overseas that PayPal is currently not accepted And I believe PayPal is currently able to be accepted in Sweden But the issue that they run across is a lot of people can't make further payments to other countries So it completely makes sense that people is trying to outreach and get the Acceptance into other countries so that from there they can market towards, you know Other EU countries or other ones in you know the Middle East or wherever it might be and it sounds like in this You know in this case, you know would remains to be seen but I zettle Having I zettles CEO now report to a COO at PayPal means that it doesn't sound like it's going to be operating Independently right because yeah, it's sort of merging a new market unlike Venmo, which PayPal bought and actually it's been a while now 2013 and I mean for you know all intents and purposes. They're totally separate products Absolutely, so this definitely is it's a good merger on PayPal's part And it gives them the ability to become a worldwide company that can be accepted everywhere no matter where you live So this is cool. Good on you PayPal a title announced It is hiring an independent third-party cyber security firm to investigate a possible data breach saying we feel it is important to make sure that Our artist employees and subscribers know that we are not taking the security and integrity of our data lightly And we will not back down from our commitment to them The action comes after a Norwegian financial newspaper published a story alleging title stats were manipulated And that the company was behind on payments to three major record companies after receiving a hard drive Filled with title play data title, of course denied the reports Shannon I am not a title user I actually signed up for like I used it for its free trial period and then it ran out and I Just switched back to Apple music But you know no problem with title necessarily but for title which is backed by you know It's Jay-Z's company and and and and obviously it has has quite a bit of investment to not be able to pay Royalty fees which is the whole business strategy You know title says that this isn't true, but where are these stories coming from right? It's it seems it's Very surprising to hear hear this come from a newspaper unless they have some kind of valid proof because if they didn't want it be considered slander So so the whole the whole gist of it is that this and I left out the name because Everyone would have a hard time pronouncing the paper And they received the hard drive data and they had it they had it they had it verified through a Secondary a third third party on the data now what so interesting is that title has vehemently denied like saying that the information was all Slander and it was there to just basically, you know, can't you know throw shade on the company? It's doing fine But a lot of critics arguing well If it's all fake then why are you launching an investigation into a data breach if nothing happened, right? Why why are you looking into it? if If you do indeed believe that there's there's not you know those that information that's been quote-unquote leaked Is all fake kind of and so it's it's it's very interesting and it there's a lot more that's gonna happen out of this whole thing because really what they were you know what they're alleging to have had happened is that they were inflating certain artists play play stats and in favor of other ones and so We're not in favor at the expense of other artists Basically people were getting not paid for the actual V are listens that they were actually getting and so that would then call into Question whether or not title is you know playing on a on a fair level table with all the people that they've signed on contract I Mean with all the music streaming service news that we cover and Roger and I were talking about this this morning before the show It's like when was the last time we talked about title two days in a row Title tends to get buried and it's not because you know again It's I'm sure they're you know, it's a great product in its own way, but it's so far down market share that You know you see stories like this and it's like you I think that lends itself to believing that maybe something really bad is going on behind the scenes because They just don't seem to be and you know again. These are all allegations So that you know it remains to be seen, but it is this is a very interesting story Could we say that title has not been making waves? We could That someone will choose that for the show Later on alright, so Shannon It's so great that you're here today because you are a security person and there's so much security news Even in you know just even today on a Friday, so I'm gonna try to set this up For you based on location smarts most recent news and then we can kind of backtrack and and fill in the blanks So location smart a data aggregator that collects real-time location data on millions of cell phone customers via cell carriers This is across North America had a bug in its website that allowed anybody to see where a person is located Without obtaining that person's consent now the site had like a trial period page That lets you test the accuracy if it's data before you you know sign up and give it money the page required It's plus consent they have to do this from the user before location data can be used Sent you a text message, you know you authenticate the whole thing. However, Robert Jiao He's a PhD student at the human computer interaction Institute at Carnegie Mellon Tell ZD net that skipping the consent step still revealed location data because one of the API is used on that page Was not validating and he kind of called it like a really elementary bug that they should have known a lot better about Yeah, it's it sounds like and from what I was able to collect from his video Although he did not release the actual script that he created What's he wrote a very simple Python code that basically bypassed what was happening on their website to? Secure that yes I have given my consent consent from my my phone via that text message or downloading an app or whatever it might be so that you can track my data and I've allowed you to do this and The reason why location smart ended up on everybody's radar is because of this earlier story about Secura and I believe we're going to talk about that a little bit more in our longer story But it's it's amazing that you have this company who's been working in the background for so long and Nobody really knew about them until now and it's just this teeny tiny Python script that could unlock all sorts of information And I don't know about you Sarah, but given you know that we do videos online That scares me a lot because I've I've had like a real-life stalker show up You know at my workplace, so it's scary to think that anybody could go to this website Bypass that consent Authentication and be able to track wherever I might be within very very good GPS coordinate coordinates within a few feet very scary. Yeah, you mentioned Secura So we might as well just get into how location smart played a role in you know a carrier like AT&T Talking to Secura's they're not supposed to be able to sell that data to certainly not to the government But there if there's a third-party company it gets a little bit murky, right? We covered location smart this week basically as the middleman on whether US carriers were sharing user location data with data aggregators And were there legal loopholes that would allow them to do so? so how How does Secura's and location smart talk to each other? so it's it's not Completely public as far as like what the back-end agreement is here but basically what I have understood from the gist of my reading is that the the carriers online have Agreed with Secura as far as like giving giving Secura information and then Secura works with location smart as a third-party To unlock all of the data about GPS coordinates But what's going on between? With Secura and the government is that they are using it for Police calls like with inmates and stuff like that. So It's not the main reason that they're using the company. It's like an offshoot But it's such a bit like okay. It's an offshoot, but it's a yeah, it's a huge privacy issue for Everyone who has a cell phone it's a huge concern and a lot of privacy advocates were really irritated with this This policy that came out of the federal government because it did have this loophole It was only for the carriers, you know ATT Verizon and everybody like that You can't share that consumer data But when they're working with a third-party provider that third-party is able to do whatever they want with that data because they're a private company So private companies aren't relegated or aren't You know Worked with the federal government the way that carriers are so let me jump in here. I'm sorry But I'm okay. So is this more of a A Legislation issue like if we had laws in place that would prevent this would this not be an issue or is There's still some gray area because of the way the technology works that they could still do it Even if it were you know in a you know hush-hush kind of way Well, I think the problem is a lot of times with you know, US regulations They they work really well, but they only work whenever they're catching somebody doing something wrong So these companies could still collect all sorts of information with the technology that they have at hand It's not until if we had some kind of regulation to For these private companies that they would actually get caught and then they would have to like pay a fine or something like that And that's not to say that they would never get closed down or something if they did have to pay a fine But there's nothing currently in place as far as technology goes to block them from being able to do this So we as consumers can't block them from tracking our phones if they know, you know our phone number Which is really unfortunate from that privacy standpoint. So I don't know if regulation would actually fix the issue I think it's more of a technological issue Well, the electronic communications Privacy Act prevents carriers from sharing user location directly to the government US government It sounds like there aren't any restrictions in place on other companies, right? However, there could be the FCC has been asked to investigate the matter. It sounds sort of like hey, we just had to add another Yeah, really really what was going on and you know that now we can fix it But but that's the way you do a figure things out sometimes now another thing that actually happened this week, which was kind of like, you know, like scratching the head of Security was the whole PGPS s-mime issue now, of course There was that story that that the EFF Pushed out there saying like everyone using PGP plugins. Stop right now Don't use it till we figure out what's going on You know use an alternate communication method, but from what I understand It's it's not really an inherent PGP flaw, but rather a third-party Plug-in flaw or if you could explain or yeah Yeah, totally. Sorry. I hit my mic, but I'll I'll kind of go into it and break it down by segments So in order to understand what the heck is going on with all these other news articles you kind of got to understand what PGP and s-mime is and they Kind of work the same not technical and technically on the background But for the most part they they work with the same kind of idea you have a public key and a private key and You allow anybody to have your public key and then you are the only person that has your private key and if somebody wants to send you an encrypted message all they have to do is Stick their public or stick your public key with their private key Mix it up a little bit and then send it on your way and then when you receive that message You can unlock it with your private key and hopefully you're the only one that has your private key So you're the only one that can see the plain text of that message So if anybody else receives that message, whether it's PGP or s-mime, they shouldn't be able to see anything It's just a bunch of garbledy gunk that doesn't make any kind of sense The unfortunate thing with e-fail is it uses this technique to gain access to those PGP encrypted messages so first it needs to get access somehow whether that's like Watching your network and stealing your emails or it could be as simple as knowing your email address and passwords So they can log in and they can read your emails or it could be somehow gaining access to the email server like whether it's Gmail servers or Yahoo servers or whoever it might be so they need to have access to those emails first off to make it work Once they get access though that's when they can actually use this e-fail technique to to kind of Make those messages a little bit different than what they originally were They end up adding a little bit of code into the encrypted message So you have an encrypted message that looks like garbledy gunk Up at the top they stick a little line of HTML code and this HTML code usually links to a picture and HTML when written out it looks like a little bracket IMG src and then an image link Sounds pretty easy as far as concerned But when they create this link they stick half of it at the top and then half of it at the bottom of the encrypted message then they send it on their way and When you open it up with your third-party email provider, whether it's Gmail or Windows Windows Outlook I don't use outlook or if it's I believe it's called Apple Mail for Apple users when you open it These are automatically look at that HTML and they say oh this must be a picture in your email let me go ahead and Figure out this HTML code for you and turn it into an image and oh it also looks like a link So I'm gonna go ahead and send this to the link server. Well that link server is the attacker So when it looks at this picture It's actually the plain text of your email and that gets turned into the link for the picture That gets sent to the attacker server So when they when the attacker opens up or gets a notification about this plain text message That should have been encrypted the whole time what they're gonna. See is you know HTTP the attacker server slash Instead of an image. It's your plain text Message it's your private private details that you sent to somebody and I think what makes it so In genius and dangerous is that they can't actually see the email until you decrypt it And essentially what this is is that they're literally peeking over your shoulder when you decrypt this encrypted mail So you are looking at your mail, but they're able to look at it too at the same time And I think that's I mean it does does Present a huge security risk, but this isn't an issue with PGP. This is an issue with yeah Outlook or the or your email client But the the HTML thing has kind of been known for for decades like GNU PG I believe they're called they came out with some information a long time ago And they were like hey, this is an issue You need to make sure that if you use a third-party email service or if you run one you need to either Not accept HTML not Roll out each HTML or parse it out and give people these image links Or you need to make sure that you're not linking out to external links whenever people automatically decrypt these emails So you can totally bypass this flaw if you're decrypting your PGP messages If you're already using it by either using a decrypter in the command line Or you can use one of the third-party services that don't even have the flaw in their email service So it only affects a few of the many different email providers that are available on the web right now I know Gmail is affected for SMIME. I believe it is one of the ones that is not affected at all is Proton mail and they're one of the best like security providers I know of that does email services So if I don't like the fact that a lot of companies including the EFF are saying stop using PGP because I feel like that's It's going to scare a lot of people away from that security and one of the great quotes I saw from the GNU PG website was that's like telling people all the locks are flawed Take all the locks out of your houses, you know, take that lock off your front door because It's not perfect. So just have nothing. Yeah, it's not perfect. So might as well not have any security We know PGP isn't perfect But it's better than having no security because they it's still a targeted attack So I recommend that people still use PGP. Just don't unlock it with a third-party service. That is vulnerable Good explanation Shannon. Thank you. Wow. Yeah, of course. Of course. No, that's that's why we love you No, that's great And I'm sure there will be more update to the story and we will obviously cover them here on DTNS Thanks to everybody who's participates in our subreddit You help us choose our stories and learn a little bit more about what you're interested in submit stories and vote on them Daily tech news show dot reddit.com. We also have a Facebook group if Facebook's your bag great hang out there Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show We got an email from Russell Boyer who is a Instructor of business admin at Kansas State University And he had some thoughts on our discussion with Scott the other day about exam cheating That was on Wednesday He says educators are always gonna be in an arms race with students because students are gonna cheat Wearables are problematic because a lot of faculty just don't realize the capabilities of these devices. That's the problem I started asking my students to remove smartwatches during exams about three years ago partly to prevent distractions But also to block students from trying to crib from Notes on their watch or using a watch with a camera to take notes or take pictures of the exam Very spy of them cheating on assignments outside of class has also become very problematic though Many faculty now employ some variety of online tool to help monitor their students work Many of my students homework is in the form of Excel and I use a system that adds digital fingerprints to homework assignments That alerts me when a student submits an assignment with any identifier other than their own And then he wraps up by saying DTNS is the first podcast I recommend to my students as a way to keep up with what is happening in the world of tech So thank you very much Russell Shannon Yeah, I know you don't have children and you know in in school and ready to cheat yet But the idea that there's this whole new, you know, can't have a phone in class But now can't have a smartwatch. Yeah, and you know, perhaps in the you know in the future glasses as well It's a it's a it's a real problem Well, I went to college when cell phones were just starting to become a thing And it was an absolute problem for a lot of teachers because not only would the phones bring in the middle of class But people were figuring out that you can take what used to be black and white photos on your on your little flip phones But you could read the notes while you were in class just like stick them right underneath your textbook or something And you you would have access to whatever you needed. So it's it's a total arms race It's like a tennis match between the students and the teachers But you know, I always had vives don't cheat because you know, I think you could get thrown out of colleges if you cheat these days, so Right, like if you get away with it, you still know you did it. Yeah Someone who does not cheat though is Len Peralta who it joins us every Friday and has been drawing a Customized illustration of what we talked about in the show Len. What do you guys? Yeah, you know I'm always impressed like you Sarah by the knowledge that Sarah that's Shannon brings to the show and This is a little, you know Something I did for her cuz I felt that she was she was she's just such an amazing person Amazing Really, this might be my favorite thing I've ever drawn for the show So accurate It's really cool For those of you who aren't watching It's it is the Obama Hope's poster of course that meme But it says hack and it's pictures of Shannon. Oh my gosh You didn't have your don't have your pink hair anymore, but that's sort of her. That's okay I'll get some overtone and we'll make it happen again Beautiful shepherd fairy was the original artist, right? Yes I'm getting that right. Yeah, I love it. Oh Ram it. Yes, and this is of it. Oh, you're very welcome Shannon I mean your your knowledge goes. It's just crazy. It's crazy good And you can actually go to Len Peralta store.com and if you want this poster You can do a digital download or you can get it. You can just buy it and I'll sign it and send it to you So there you go. Well, thank you Len for being here today and every week your artwork is unparalleled and Couldn't do it out. Yeah. Also. Thanks to Shannon Morris Shannon besides, you know researching PGP and location smart What what you've been doing lately? Oh, man We've been doing a lot of stuff over on tech thing T. E. K. Thing calm Recently Patrick Norton reviewed this really cool universal remote that you can speak to and it's supposed to be able to get you Exactly to the thing that you want to watch whether it's on your Roku or your Apple TV or wherever you might have this information So it's really easy to use and it was very very fun to check out And I've also been working really hard on threat wire over at threat wire comm So if you want to learn all the ins and outs about the whole PGPS Mime thing that was going on and those email vulnerabilities definitely check it out I also have a patreon account if you want to support me there We absolutely do. What is it? patreon.com slash threat wire. It's real easy Awesome. Well, thank you Shannon and Len. I'm speaking of patreon. 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I know you need to book lens Yeah, don't you won't hurt anyone's feelings. Okay, thank you for the photo. I'm so excited to purchase my own coffee It was I it's beautiful. It might it literally might be my favorite thing. I've ever drawn. It's just really cool You better sign my coffee. I will of course All right, everybody. Have a good weekend. Bye Len. Thank you. Have a good one. You too How's a great show? It was I kind of have like I have the sniffles a little bit. So, you know, I felt like I'd sounded Sick you sounded you sounded good. So great So of course title was one of the title was one of the titles Fails to make waves Making waves Tied a tidal wave of security news. I love that one because it covers Both topics that we we two topics we covered in the show There's also a title and a Royal T mess Tidal wave of rumors But my fav is a tidal wave of security news What if it was like a tidal wave of security breaches? Because that's kind of the news, right? Yeah breaches beaches close Synergies of She's trying to the Shannon trying to join and is unable to She's back. Yay, she's back So Shannon, what do you think of this title a tidal wave of security news or a tidal wave of security breaches? I like security news And that's what we're going with You have plucked the final pedal off the floor Isn't that how people used to vote on things yeah, well it used to be like like What was it true or fall or what was it with the He loves me. He loves me. He loves me. Not. Yeah, that's what it was I don't think I ever did that that only worked on early marriages in the 21st century. We use we use Tinder Right, right. Yeah, I definitely wished on a shooting star once or twice Oh, yeah, I've done that because those always felt special Did you ever did you ever have the one where if you blew on a dandelion of the little things flew away? Yeah, yeah used to do a lot of that. It's probably why we had so many dandelions in our yard Spreading the seeds It's all your fault me it is Spent a lot of time as a kid looking for a four leaf clover because I truly believed that I would get three wishes I Did I really like I my wishes were all laid out like I just had to find that clover. Oh, that's so cute I know never found it I always thought that there really was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow if you could find it and I can never find the end of the rainbow What about a double rainbow? Double rainbow double the gold I actually forgot about that guy, you know, like people say double rainbow now and it's like it's just part of our thing like yeah Yeah, cool it's It's interesting because There's things there's certain memes that I totally don't remember Yeah, and you know, I don't know there ones that like the double rainbow for some reason stick in my head I work with some young ins who Who weren't around during like e-bombs world and all those things back in the day So sometimes I'll like link them to the YouTube Versions of these old flash videos and they're just like wow, this is weird Shannon This is what you are you watch this? Yeah, I was like, this is what I used to watch at high school Well, so there was um, I won't spoil anything but there was an episode of Berry, which is a really good show recently and There's this scene where somebody says Leroy Jenkins We all know what that means, you know, and I laughed and the person next to me was like what what? Leroy and I'm like, yeah, it's like this really old joke from a video game. I never mind But like I was like that Barry show for like knowing that most people are just gonna be like, why did he say that? That's amazing. I love it Oh, man, that's okay. That was one of the ones I sent to my very young Assistant in the studio. I was like, you need to watch Leroy Jenkins. She was just like, I don't know what what's going on It's the sort of thing where like maybe if enough time passes, you're just like, this is funny Yeah, was at the time. Yes. It was ridiculous Charlie the unicorn. I went to a museum of ice cream and they had a unicorn So I started posting a crapload of pictures of this thing on Instagram and I was like, look I found Charlie the unicorn. He's on Candy Mountain. I found him and he's in San Francisco and people are just like What's wrong with you? What are you doing? Why why are you writing the unicorn? Wasn't Charlie where you got his kidney removed at the end? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, just spoiled it. Come on Like come on Do do do unicorns like do they need their kidneys? I mean They're magical animals. I mean they should be able to get by just they just need one of the four and not Charlie Yeah, it's funny how these things sort of yeah, like Roger you've got, you know, the one meme that sticks for you or There was somebody the other day on Facebook who like referenced Keyboard cat and you know, everybody loves keyboard cat, but like he linked a video and I'm like, that's not keyboard cat Like that's like some other cat and so like I like couldn't help myself in the comments I like couldn't help myself in the comments. I'm like the original keyboard cat was fat. So who died in 1989? like Like the like conversation stopped Look at us old us old cronies. Well, actually, you know what you you know what you're witnessing You're witnessing how cultural memes or Cultural, you know stories get passed from one to another and get altered with time Oh, yeah You know, uh keyboard cat eventually will probably be like a lion, you know playing a world tour Because that's how these are our folk folk tales. Yeah. No, it's it. We're gonna have Our own tall tales, right? Dude, did you see whatever like surf like a tsunami or something because it's on, you know, youtube or Something it's it's gonna be crazy and we're gonna have a mishmash of like intergenerational ideas That will only make sense to a future generation like we'll like you just basically Like crammed together five different things that don't belong together But to that generation all be the same. I think tom and I were talking about this how The way we pull music from like say everything before the 20th century Doesn't matter in the 100 year period of the 1800s. We just assume all its music from the 1800s So we'll put it together Like one from 1810 and one from 1890 even though there's like an 80 year difference It will just assume that they belong together. It's like putting like um motley crew with uh Brittany like just to be yeah, britney or justin beaver. It's like well, it happened all in the same couple of decades It's all the same music Well, you know, it was like we were talking about decades the other day, right like the 1800s. Yeah, we'll just throw that on one genre It's true. It'll be it's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be crazy like the entire 20th century We'll include the depression world war two You know the space shuttle and You know, whatever popular movie like it'll all be at one time Oh, wow, Lord of the Rings Lord of the Rings came out in the 20th century, right? Yes, it did Yeah, so like Lord of the Rings the matrix Lord of the Rings works I think the movies are Yeah, the movie came out in high school and I was still oh no wait. I was in that was in the 2000s Yeah, that was 2000s. I remember who I saw the first Lord of the Rings with and I know that was After 2000 yeah, I was in high school I remember because I ended up buying a legolas shirt because I had a crush on him Orlando bloom or just the character Orlando bloom as legolas. I didn't like the actor and stuff. I just wanted an elf as a boyfriend Um, what did that work out up too lately? Didn't work out. I haven't seen him in anything Well, he got married to uh, ori dated or something a victoria secret model And then they had a baby and the only reason I know this is because she was my favorite vs model Well, she's no married to evan spiegel CEO snap. Yeah, that didn't uh, didn't work out Yeah Hollywood Hollywood and technology we should find more intersections of the of the two. Yeah. Yeah Like how captain kirk a k a william shatner used to hawk Commodores on tv. What? Yeah, it used to be in a bunch of uh vik 20 and commodore 64 television ads That's amazing. It was captain kirk and who who else to tell you about the wonders of technology than a guy who Supposedly ran a starship. Oh, of course. Yeah Let's stick him in a room with tribbles and he don't know what to do You know what though? That's the one thing that that always kind of throws me off is when I hear a famous actor Whether it's a void just their voice or them physically in person doing a commercial Because you think of them doing these oscar winning nominations and suddenly they're selling you insurance Yeah, and certain people have like these voices where it's like You know morgan freeman like if he does a car commercial, it's you know, there's no doubt That's it's going to be a magical ride is what it's right, right? They're it's so weird how that works though, right if morgan freeman came knocking on your door And that kind of demeanor. He's he's known for in his movies Like and he's just selling you like vacuum cleaners But if he does it in a way, it's like, yeah, I'll buy a vacuum cleaner for me Right I want morgan freeman to come over and just like read a threat wire episode for me Oh, who's we're like read my wedding announcement I think we were talking about I think tom said he would like morgan freeman to eventually be you know a smart speaker voice Or somebody god one of our guests on the show, but I was I've been thinking about that ever since like, okay, if I could pick anybody who would it be I still haven't figured it out. Yeah, I don't know who my favorite voice is I like richard attenborough the guy from uh, who does the nature the nature things the um, the british Naturalist who did all the voiceovers for all his Naturemoop films planet earth Well planet earth is the most recent one. Yeah, but yeah, he's that guy Yeah, can I uh, can I tell y'all a story about smart speakers that's somewhat incriminating but really funny? Yes Okay Uh, I went to the this thing in the city called the designer showcase or something like that and it's it's where all these like super Fancy design like house designer people they come in and they do all this decor And they do all these different showrooms in a house And it's like millions of dollars that they spend in these rooms and just go like completely nuts with these decorations Well, one of the rooms had an alexa in it or an echo And I was like, oh I wonder if it's tied to somebody's account. So I started talking to it. I was like Alexa, what's on my schedule for today? I mean stuff. What's on my schedule for today? And she let me know and then I was like, uh Thing order me a pizza and she was like, which service would you like to use? And then I was like, hmm a thing add a Really awful thing that you shouldn't be able to buy on amazon to my amazon wishlist or my amazon shopping list and she was like, okay I feel bad for this person But at the same time I was like you left your amazon echo in a public place What do you think was gonna happen? Well, also if it's like designed to look cool. I mean, you didn't have to plug it in It would yeah When it's like there's like fake tv's and stuff Everything is like out of it. Is that the future of pranking people just messing with their smart speakers? It's not like tp'ing their house or putting saran wrap over the toiling bowl. Right? Yeah, I'm gonna mess with your digital life Yeah I'm gonna put stuff on your shopping list. You would never have bought Like I hope I didn't mess up the relationship, but it was really funny They're gonna find out it was me and be like My girlfriend broke up with me because you put blah blah blah on my amazon wishlist. I'll be like, oh, sorry, man It was me So what is the point of the showcase? You know besides smart speakers like uh, they actually they they raise funds for a local like Designer like art university in the city So you pay for a ticket to go into the room And then you you get to meet the designers and talk to them and you can take pictures of their different rooms And it's really gorgeous like the art that they include in the rooms and the way that they tie in all the colors together And you get to see some really cool like furniture like there was a heated outdoor um porcelain A bench that they had set up and I was like It was so it was like it made your bum warm and you could just sit there forever Even though the bay sometimes gets really cold. I was like, man, I could sit here all night I wouldn't even need a fire pit So it's sort of like inspiration the way that like a runway show would be like none of us were buying that stuff But it will like influence. Yeah It was really cool No, they had like they had it set up outside and they made a bench out of it And it was very pretty and it had heating inside of it So you can sit down and your bum would be heated. It was amazing All this happens after I leave All right. Thank you everyone for listening to this entire week We hope uh, we've been able to fill you with plenty of technology and give you a couple of gaffas along the way Monday tom again is doing a round table this month's round table episode from australia with uh, peter wells and raj Dute uh, so tune in for that and then sarah and I will be back Tuesday to felt the rest of the week Tell them thank you again. Thank you everybody. We love you. Thank you for your support