 I will call them in into order. We do have a quorum tonight We're especially one more of our board members in any moment Which means we can't do the minutes until he arrives And so we can go on to public comment. It's anyone in the audience who wishes to make any public comment Mr. Atwood Jeff Atwood 146 North Williston Road I'm sure the board knows why I'm here in the topic affordable housing the lack of it Still another year What are you building right now over there? What are you building mr. McGuire? What's being built over there right now? You don't know what's being built at the growth center. What's being built? This is your time to talk. It's not time for it. I'd like to ask you a few questions, sir It's really up to the board to decide whether they want to die Hey, what are you building right now? So if we had the planning director here? He'd be able to tell you exactly what we're building. Are you building so are you building any perpetually affordable homes? I don't know that at the moment So you don't just give me your comments and then we can pass those on to the plan. You don't know that That's what you just said right? Do not know that we're doing anything Building zero zero for ownership, sir. You're building no perpetually affordable homes. I don't know that so go ahead with your comments I came last time. I don't trust these guys because for ten years Okay, they haven't built any If you read chapter five what's that's what they're supposed to be building Nothing over there in that growth center Is for those children in the schoolyards around here? The head of your DRB has enriched himself by tens of millions of dollars Okay What did the town of Williston get what we get out of it? Did we get any housing for those gentlemen over there? Did we get any housing for that young man and his young lady? They can't afford a single house in that growth center. Everything is 300,000 to 450 Rents are 1875 for two bedrooms 1600 for a single What is going on around here? It's beyond ridiculous. It's beyond being embarrassing It's disgraceful. It's shameful You have an affordable housing task force in which there are members in the room here that were on it They report to a state legislator You go study it for a weekend retreat You tell those kids why you haven't built any affordable housing in that growth center When you've got a member in this town government that was on that task force that handed it to you And you've built none That doesn't add up to me that doesn't make any sense. You're a state legislator Something's not right. I don't do well when things aren't right What are you about? What are you about sir? You're a hypocrite I'm not gonna bother to answer that it doesn't deserve an answer It does deserve an answer because that's what you have for evidence You study affordable housing you take it and you look at it for a weekend And then you allow a man in the group to build and not ask him or required to build any affordable housing That's the truth People of power abusing it giving it to themselves self-interest self-serving self-centered a Slap in the face to the state of Vermont a slap in the face to us as residents People that care about the youth people that care about this demographic problem We're in a mess I Thought the town of Williston was historic and led There's no leaders here just a bunch of followers Following the bully Letting the bully enrich his pocketbook by tens of millions and no one stood up and said what about our kids What about the men and women that are serving us? It's not hard. You see this right here. It's a pamphlet in it is the Champlain Housing Trust Agreement that they have with me and my wife We have seven perpetually affordable homes in Richmond You know what they're doing. They're providing hope They're providing opportunity and they're showing these young kids that we care How about a little challenge? How many can you and your professionals your millionaire professionals build? Huh my wife and I how about a little challenge? How many can you build town of Williston? Huh, it's not hard Just got to have a willingness got to believe in it got to believe in the people Got to believe in what it represents It's not hard a squire Kenny Welcome 500 some odd units to zero perpetually affordable are those just numbers sir Are those just are they equal opportunity? Does someone have the opportunity to buy a perpetually affordable home in this town right now? How long has it been they've never had the opportunity over 12 years since I've been here That's equal opportunity You've got an inclusive club over there It's disgraceful, and it's going to catch up to you sooner or later If I don't get you history is going to get you and it's going to be harsh on you You had a chance to enrich Hundreds of young families lives with perpetual homes that would have forever Been affordable for your children Ones that are in the first grade ones that are coming out of college ones that are in the sixth grade and ones that aren't even born I Guarantee you this much Okay, of all the kids that are in that school system 20 to 30 percent of them are going to say mom and dad I want to work here, and I want to live here, and you've got nothing for them Those are dead-end streets down there Nothing You've lost three percent to five percent interest rates You knew because Dana hood came and told you what you had to do to achieve it It was interest rates, and it was speed and You've sat back idly for five six years You believe in $15 an hour sir How about two young kids fallen in love making $15 an hour Having a youngster if they had 200 perpetually affordable homes in there at $600 to $800 a month they could live there, and they could walk to work You're a hypocrite It's gonna get you But it'll never never ever make up for what you've done and how you've devastated Devastated the opportunity For young families and the children in this community to have a home That's on your conscience, and that's gonna be your legacy. It's never leaving People are gonna drive by it forever That's yours you earned it. I wish to heck I could have turned it around sooner Not for me. It was never about me It was about the state that I love about the people that I love And not my children because I don't have any but the children in this state that I love That I've built schools for That I've built their ski areas. I've built their hospitals. I could go on and on I'd come here every Tuesday if my wife would let me But I do love to come here because you're on the wrong side of it, and you're on the wrong side of history You enjoy that let's not forget about the little challenge. Okay? All right, I want his job. That's what I want. I've said that for years now There any other person who wishes to make any public comment tonight If not, then we'll move back to the minutes of November 20th 2018 Is there a motion to approve? So move through a second Page one all second all right page one. That's the longest second Hang on page one If not page two Just add one thing under item number 10 They've managed his report under the second bullet or talks about the finance director and she'll be leaving Willis And I think it should read it should be leaving her position in a while Did to ask for an amendment on item 6 about the state transportation presentation that I Reminded them that they've come any number of years saying that the search alternatives are just around the corner So long long corner It's very very long Then you'll sub page two page three Hearing no other corrections all those in favor of approving the minutes of November 20th 2018 say aye Any opposed and one abstention enjoy and now we'll move on to something that you really like to see and that's a presentation of the ambulance service of the year award from the department of health mr. Batesy Is here to make that presentation and she's Morton and many members of the fire department Thank you for making time at this exciting meeting tonight I Won't be nearly as dramatic, but nonetheless, I think I have a very important topic to bring up Every May we at the Department of Health in honor of emergency medical services week Select a series of award winners Both services and providers are nominated Throughout the state and are vetted and selected by a panel made up of emergency medical services team members out of our office Traditionally these were awarded at a ceremony at the state Capitol But we decided two years ago to begin to give them out in places like this because Frankly standing in front of the Capitol with no legislators in session didn't make a lot of sense And I think it makes a lot more sense to stand among you so you can hear the great work that's being done By your public safety professionals here So it is my pleasure to be here tonight and to let you know that Williston fire department has been selected as the ambulance service of the year. We have a hundred and seventy seven services in Vermont that do the work of Do do a great amount of work on your behalf and on behalf of the ill and injured people throughout the state and Williston fire department has been a leader among those services They were nominated and selected this year because of that leadership Because of the model they provide for other services in the system and I can speak for my own personal experience that they have been early adopters of Measures like high-performance CPR and as you know, I was here not long ago awarding a heart-safe community to you as well Made great strides for us both for the for the community of Wilson but also for the system as a whole because as Services like Wilson go so do other services that come in behind them. So they we've relied heavily upon them to serve in that mentoring role But not just Area of cardiac arrest Certainly in lots of other areas members of their team have worked diligently with our office to help us with training projects Whether it be warm zone EMS tactical training whether it be a variety of other projects as well We've Consistently found great support from them Not only that and the reason they were nominated most of all is because of the work they do here in your community They have consistently provided excellent patient care. They've consistently provided a level of training above and beyond what is expected of us and Like I said have been true Models of of emergency medical services. So on behalf of the Department of Health and On behalf of the commissioner, I would like tonight to provide to present Chief Morton and his team With the ambulance service of the year it does say May 2018 because we've awarded it in During EMS week, but it is for the whole year. So Congratulations So It is a team effort you have a number of us in the room tonight and spouses of us and children of us in the room tonight And I think it's down the line not just the people on the fire department But but those in EMS those support us those And I want to recognize Tony particularly in that Tony has performed much of our EMS supply and Tony's been kind of a real cog in making sure the investment is forward appropriately and Tony his shift in the shift Lieutenant Keith Baker had done a great job. So I want to recognize all the firefighters So they can't be here tonight Tony particularly Thank the board for all of your support throughout the years to allow us to move forward as you know this year we became a paramedic service and That's been a great enhancement for the town and for protection of the citizens and the system as well So thank you all Thank you On behalf of the board, thank you to all the members of the fire department who made this award possible for Us in town We don't deserve the credit you guys still and the ladies do too So, thank you Thank you. Take care Let's move on to the Person to serve on the social organizations committee the recommendation is that Jim Thornton be Appointed tonight to that committee In the past the person who has served as our town Superst officer has also served on that committee and there's other Vacancies for that committee as well. So with that if there's unless there's questions, I would appreciate a motion Move to appoint James Thornton to the social organizations committee During discussion on the motion If not all those in favor of the motion will say hi hi any opposed Very good. Thank you, and we'll move then on to the Lake Champlain Chamber of Commerce Old friend of mine Tom Tordy who's the president and CEO of the Lake Champlain Chamber of Commerce is here tonight to Give us a breakdown Little bit of history of perhaps of where we're at as we just joined Well, I certainly won't be as exciting as the last two in any number of ways and I Guess I can clear a room with the best of them, but So the town manager asked me at your request to comment and talk about economic development In the region in the state what we're seeing and what we're doing and I'll give you a Kind of a very brief synopsis of What we do and what we're doing to address some of the challenges that we have before us as a state as a region And then frankly to answer any questions you may have these These types of Interactions tend to go better when you ask me questions, and I don't presuppose what it is that you want to know so And as the chair knows if once I get in front of a microphone, I could talk for hours So I will really keep it brief The chamber's been around for 108 years. I'll give you chamber 101 just for the heck of it we do All of the things that you expect a chamber of commerce to do business after hours is advanced business to business connections member discounts Advertising marketing Those general things that no matter where you go in the country. You'll find chambers of commerce doing those things We tend to differentiate on in four different areas from other Chambers of Commerce in the state and frankly Others of chambers Chambers of Commerce in the Northeast region and that's on leadership development economic development policy advocacy and Visitor services and those are in no particular order, but those are the four pillars strategic investment areas that our board A number of years ago said that we wanted to focus our time and assets on and that's you know Where we've been building our strategic plan and strategic capacity Leadership we begin with high school programs. We run a high school program called tips That is an internship and mentoring program focused on college. Excuse me high school juniors Purpose of that program is to work with young people in the area to help them Learn what's possible for them? Academically and professionally in the area. We hope that they stay and should they choose to stay. What's the art of the possible? We also work with them on soft skills how to interview how to show up for a job What's it like to work in an industry and then at the end of the semester? We connect them with a business that they're interested in for a 40-hour Internship mentoring program one day a week they go in and shadow a business That's been very effective. We have a young professional mentoring program where we take a young professional who's working in the area and based on their interests connect them with a If you will a seasoned executive in their field who might be able to mentor them It's supposed to be a very short three to six month engagement And some of those have been on going on their third year where the mentor and the mentee just connect And they become friends and and more than just a business transaction We won't run the It's called Burlington young professionals, but it's really a regional young professionals program Again creating for them or helping them create an ecosystem So that they understand that there are people around their same age in the area trying to Live here raise families here work here and stay here and that addresses some of the economic development problems I think we can we can chat about We've run leadership Champlain, which is a leadership development program And it's 32nd year or 33rd year I plus track of time and the executive leadership program we're in the process of Working with st. Michael's and maybe UVM to do a leadership Champlain style program for college sophomores the belief is when you're a freshman you are clueless when you're a Junior you think we know what you want to do and when you're a senior you're on your way out And so the sweet spot and talking to some local academics is let's focus on college sophomores again, the idea is Let's show them what's here. Let's show them how their skills connect with what's here Let's Create for them connections so that if they do want to stay they know where to apply for jobs and who you talk to it's again Building that ecosystem economic development we run Three programs really a full squarely into that we run an early-stage accelerator program We're in the last five years The 43 companies Very early-stage companies that have come through We've created over 150 jobs with my nine million dollars and follow on capital investment in these companies That program is expanding in a through a partnership with the generator in downtown Burlington It also over the past three years has expanded to include a launch VT collegiate program where We work with the colleges in the state to create their own business pitch accelerator program at the colleges They choose a winner they go this year. It's February 22nd Then they have a college pitch off and the winner of that college pitch off gets an automatic entry into our accelerator program with all sorts of very interesting folks who do things that I Honestly don't understand when you start getting into rockets and UVM and drone technology. You've lost me I just know that's pretty fantastic stuff We run the northern borders regional program where we try to bring economic development to the northeast kingdom Although we're a regional chamber of commerce with the largest business association in the state with the statewide membership And we have a grant from the federal government To try to bring advanced manufacturing into the northeast kingdom And we also run the state what we call the vermaquibac enterprise initiative, which is working with companies In Quebec that are looking for a US presence in order to access US markets to market Vermont as a Place of choice rather than Plattsburgh, New York if I can be absolutely blunt We realized about four years ago We were getting killed by Plattsburgh in terms of competing for businesses and there's no reason why a company should choose Plattsburgh over Vermont so Those are ways that we are working in the economic development sphere Advocacy as Terry knows we have two full-time the chair excuse me knows we have two full-time Advocates lobbyists in Montpelier We focus very strongly on policy and not on politics Some years the Republicans love us some years the Democrats love us and every now and again the progressives like us But at one point everyone's disliked us for the positions we've taken We've come out in support of Minimum wage with a slow kind of ramp up to $15 an hour a minimum wage We've supported a statewide Fun to clean up Lake Champlain while also supporting Marriage equality and other issues like that. So it's really hard to pin us down. We tend to look at What creates a place in space that people are going to want to start jobs? Grow jobs and come and live here and it's about the its social ecosystem as much as it's about the business Ecosystem, you know our tagline is we support our members their employees and our communities and unless those three things are working in harmony You are you're out of balance and you're not going to grow the economy in the area lessons visitor services and And We run the state convention Bureau So we bring meetings and conventions to the state of Vermont whether we represent All the major properties from equinox the wood stock in to the hotel Vermont to the old Sheridan Our job is to get leads to those properties to bring meetings and conventions of all sizes to come to the state of Vermont And we're working with folks in the Burlington region To create a regional marketing organization funded by the major hotel properties Burlington, South Burlington, Essex I believe Williston has one that will join because of their affiliation with the Marriott group That'll be about three hundred thousand dollar a year Marketing effort focused on bringing tourists to the area believing that if we get them as tourists we might be able to keep them as Residents That's chamber 101 Any questions on that before I talk about the challenges of economic development? No So Tom Anderson school, how come what are our challenges and I chuckled and share same ones in This region as we have in the rest of the state and the same that New England and the Northeast are facing where We're seeing an attrition of young people leaving Vermont or we're losing more than we're gaining Despite the fact that we have a high density of universities. We're having a hard time keeping those folks here That's no different than Maine, New Hampshire Connecticut, Massachusetts some are doing a little bit better than us, but by and large we're seeing an attrition of Young people out of out of this area. We're seeing an influx paradoxically of retirees coming in which it's not a bad thing, but you know They're not creating jobs, so they're not creating new wealth They tend to be living on old wealth. There's nothing wrong with that We'd like to see a balance of old and young folks coming in the area Vermont is hampered By its image when we go out to recruit when we talk to site selectors who were looking at Bringing companies in when we go over the border to Quebec or when we have Quebec economic development groups come down and sample Vermont as the former Premier Couillard said I love Vermont. I love to come here and shop. I love to boat and I love to ski but I don't think of Vermont as a place to do economic development and I think that Sentiment although it was very hard to hear is a sentiment that we hear whether or not We're at a site selector conference in Chicago or Florida or Boulder Vermont has an image of being a wonderful place of cows of maple syrup of leaves And those things frankly as those externalities those soft traits are One of the reasons we can sell Vermont as a place for people to come and do business once we convince them that we An eye on economic backwater that we have significant companies That have chosen to locate here that have chosen to grow here we look at the decision that Revision made to grow in Vermont They recently are growing outside of Vermont not because of a Vermont reason and they're very clear about that It's just to access it in easier market Revision the commitment that global foundries has made to the area and we could talk about your opportunities as a community to To work with global foundries around their property sale So we are a place where people are investing and We have to get past the image and frankly working with the Vermont Department of Economic Development The Vermont Department of Tourism and Marketing. I think we're beginning to change the image a little bit or we're working to change the image We like cows and we like leaves and we like barns, but we also want people to know that we have High-speed fiber in places in some of our larger hubs whether it's Springfield or Burlington or Rutland Bennington You can come and locate a tech company there. You can be have a remote workforce there We met with we had 65 people come to the state-of-the-state program in Burlington about three four weeks ago or so 65 people and none all between 25 and I'd say 40 years old at the oldest and Many of those were working for companies like Microsoft where they could be anywhere They were just tired of living in urban areas. We had health care professionals young health care professionals from the Boston area Looking to move to Vermont because of the Health Center that we have here and those stories are repeated There was something on VPR about what happened in Rutland the same type of event happened Bennington Brattleboro so in those areas where we have kind of the technology deployed We're beginning to see some uptake in the work that we're doing You know I can't hide from the fact that the cost of doing business and the cost of living in Vermont is very high and You you'll hear it from Manufacturing companies, whether it's global or general dynamics or Appalachian flooring in the kingdom or Tivoli or I mean go around the state if you have a higher electric user You have a problem with electric rates in Vermont and I don't have an answer for you. It is just something that We have to deal with time and time again when we Address Quebec companies who are looking at both Plattsburg and Vermont We try to explain to them that if they move into a new building because of our Vermont energy code the buildings are incredibly energy efficient They're actually going to use less at a higher rate Some of you know this This song but that's really hard when they're looking at bottom line They're looking at four to five cent a kilowatt hour differences. So that is a problem our tax structure It's problematical. We don't have enough people making good incomes in Vermont to afford the services at an affordable rate that we want and expect and I think We're working to Create better paying jobs That's a problem cost of housing is an issue the housing stock is an issue We hear from the young professionals that while they really like when they're truly young Condominiums and town houses at the point they no want no longer want to live Like they did in college, they're looking for small houses they're looking for They want to be close to a downtown or a town center They want a small house with a yard and you know, they can be colloquial. They want the white picket fence They like what's being built. I think you know the housing stock that is going up is fine We need more of it, but we also have to look at Building the second and third iteration of houses that people want to stay in the area And that's that's not coming from some 64-year-old guy who remembers, you know, Levittown in New York or off Sand Hill and Essex where my house is that's coming from young people saying it's fine to live Downtown above the pizza place, but I actually want a house when we have a family It's kind of an interesting data point Other issues that get in the way and we hear this it's amazing when you have a round table with these young folks The availability and cost of daycare is a huge issue We've lost a lot of home care daycare home care services because of it's very difficult for some of the kind of Mom and pop if you will home care daycare providers to meet the current regulations although, you know, we support Training and education etc. Etc. It's beginning to push people out and make the market higher Stories or rampant of people Basically as soon as they are pregnant or know they're going to be pregnant getting on a list and I know of young people Who will pay six months of child care when they're before the child goes in just to hold a spot? That's not helpful when you're trying to recruit young families to the area So those are one of the impediments. I think that people don't think about we always we complain about taxes We complain about permitting and we can plan complain about all of that stuff But when you get people really interested and they start asking you about the cost of a house the availability of daycare Those things those things get in the way So I've rambled now for probably 15 minutes which is more than you wanted me to I think What can I answer for you? I mean what questions do you have? about what what else we do or I'm nothing if not full of opinions about stuff so Answer any question Here's just a bizarre question. I mean as a business person. I've been part of the chamber off and on so I understand it And I don't mean this in any other way than direct. What's in it for a municipality to be a member of the Couple things and One is just having another voice besides the League of Cities and Townsend advocating for kind of pro local government positions in Montpelier You know last year we followed 64 pieces of legislation and we're probably active in 40 plus pieces of legislation So We work very closely with the other business associations with the Leagues of Cities and Towns to kind of push forward things that are helpful to communities Growth legislation those types of things We're working on the Act 250 the 58th anniversary review of Act 250 I mean those are all things that benefit municipalities as they look to grow the other thing is We've done this For Colchester many years ago probably ten years ago. We did some work for Essex If you're interested in working with the community to help you figure out Where you're going strategically when you talk about economic development. It really is a long play It's you're not going to fix anything in three or five years It's a five ten and fifteen year strategy of understanding who you are and who you want to be We can help with that if you have an interest in In working with us will work with you to help vision What's what's in it for Williston where you can go and grow the other thing is simply supporting We have a hundred plus members Who are Williston businesses? so in a way when the town Joins like Essex and South Brown and Brown you're supporting indirectly the members who also are members of the Chamber and Job one in economic development is to show support to the businesses that are here understand what their needs are and help them grow and Helping you understand the needs of your hundred plus members who are our businesses that are our members is a way that you can begin to formulate Town policies that actually support them without inadvertently doing things that might Make it harder for them to be successful Create more jobs and pay higher wages It's is it a direct ROI can I say we can create X number of jobs and bring this much capital investment into your town No, but we can support as I said development activities and municipal policies that help that happen You know I made a big mistake of having two slices of very good romontos pizza Two things happen my mouth got very dry and my pants got full of grease as I So I wish we had a curtain on the table, but thank you Other questions for Tom? Well, I'll take my water So I guess I have a couple The first one I'm going to ask is you mentioned a lot of business Does that also extend to the retail side of what might be? Considered commercial or commerce in supporting those businesses. Yes. Yeah. Oh, well absolutely. Okay. I just yeah Wasn't sure there The vast majority of our members over 85 percent have fewer than 25 employees their restaurants They're sole proprietors ships. They're small construction companies their retail companies a lot of tourism companies Yes, okay, so I'm first going to talk about a Concern I'm not a concern But an issue I've had for years and then I'd like to hear more about how you how your organization in the town can work together on some town planning type things and I don't know how well, you know Williston, but we have limits on residential growth We do not have limits on non residential growth And I've often wondered is is that a good thing or not stated a little bit differently I've wondered what is the right amount of non residential growth for a community like Williston and I realized there's no Silver bullet type answer to that on the other hand, I think we could maybe Use the word isn't necessarily help, but maybe guidance in the sense of You know, what are some of the indicators that say maybe we're getting it right? What are some of the indicators that might be saying nope? You're off the mark To give you a for instance Some people think that Williston is a little bit too hop too heavy if you will on Large national type retail organizations and less so on the more local smaller type stores or restaurants and So that might be it the type of indicator. I'm talking about so first of all does any of that make sense Yeah, and I think your path to answer that is Through your community members, I don't I don't think there's a metric that says you have too much of one or two little of another I think that's defined by by your community and what you want through the town I mean some of you know I mean I spent six years on the Essex Planning Commission six years on the select board and Was there when we were you know in 90 when we were starting to look at the town plan and where we wanted to grow and how much Growth was was right and where we wanted it and that's It's a 12 years. I was involved. I mean that's an evolutionary process and it gets clearer and clearer as you go on It's not the best answer. I can give you but You know, I don't know how familiar you are with Paul Costello and the Vermont Council for Rural Development. I Sit on the state downtown board and we give out tax rights a lot stuff anyway Community after community has come in and talked about Kind of the aha moment that their community has had large and small after going through the process with the Vermont Council of Rural Development Understanding what it really is that their community wanted where they wanted growth the types of growth that they wanted So that answer I think is baked into the neighborhoods in your community and your people here One of the difficulties with Williston is that Williston our residents is one size But the amount of people who come through Williston and frequent a lot of our, you know Establishments is a lot bigger and not from Williston Yeah, Ramon toast on your lap is a good example But I mean it's the same in Essex right in terms of you know We have a lot of people coming in especially when the outlets were more robust and they're going through an evolution now I mean Colchester has gone through the same thing because of mallets Bay and a number of people who go there I mean, that's all good. They look people like me leave money in lots of different towns But there is that balance point that the money is nice, but how much or how much traffic will people accept? What kind of traffic? I understand the limits on residential growth it seems odd that you have limits on one and not the other but that gets into the whole Question of how many schoolrooms you need how many teachers how many buses? Oh, yeah, I mean, you know that so it was the schools. Yeah So we have done that work with communities before just as a partner and basically In groups giving information and we're happy to do that usually get me when you sign on for that So depending on your your tolerance for me, it's either good or bad Thank you You may not be at all yet And then I have a follow-up question kind of sort of related but not really so We're involved with Burlington on a number of number of issues BTV ignite and using the fiber to kind of spur economic development. We were Advocates for the the town center Going forward and did some lobbying around that Serve on the land use policy committee in Burlington in a number of other kind of larger macro issues when it gets to things like Parking and trees in the park. We leave that stuff to the BBA because they the Burlington Business Association They do a phenomenal job on like really local issues So and we their members of ours were members of theirs So it's a divide and conquer we do what we do they do what they do and so I'm not familiar with Is that one of the problems that I see with you mentioned it with Vermont in general is it's very expensive to live here? That's because we are so heavily social service. So so much of our money is going towards social services None of people paying to the tax base anymore And I see and why I don't go there anymore So it's not getting a lot of my money and a lot of my time is because the homeless population is In my eyes out of control. It's an uncomfortable place to be and that's a sad statement to me That's just my statement, but that's a sad statement to make and there are there are I won't can't speak for a lot of people There are a number of us that are uncomfortable going down there in the evening now because you just don't know So my question is if you're trying to Going back to the economic thing How My push would not be obviously towards more taxes and more expenses and more whatever I don't know that that Getting a program out there. That's going to walk someone down the street Make them feel safer shopping is a good use of money in time or taxpayer dollars versus What is the Chambers position towards the state? Yep, let's get these day. I didn't phrase. Oh, no, but you're following me. I got you So in my my other life, I'm chair of the board of Cots I've been involved with Cots for about nine years or so and That goes back to my earlier background in the state of mind I you know, I began my career in human services working in With delinquents and abuse and neglected kids and all that perfect background for oh, yeah So nothing phases me anymore so let me take a step back and Stay the obvious we have a huge problem in Vermont. We have a huge mental health problem in Vermont when we Close the state hospital We did not have and do not have an adequate safety net for folks who with mental illness and the safety problem is You can be homeless without being a threat to people the threat to people and we see this In the shelters that we run at Cots We are dealing with mental health crisis after mental health crisis after mental health crisis people with machetes people taking Fluorescent light bulbs out and going after people that the the acuity severity of the population that we are dealing with Is beyond anything that anyone has seen compounded with again what we all know the drug problem in town So what we have been saying from the chamber in a coalition of folks Through the opioid council and working with the agency human services The state has to step up and do something around the system of care for mental illness You know, we have a fairly good health network in the state of Vermont Whether you're at Grace Cottage Hospital in Townsend or Burlington. We have an horrible system for treating The mentally ill and in this community in in this state I'm not for de institutionalization in my first job in Vermont was to de institutionalized week school So I'm Mental health services and community services were necessary, but there is a population that is on the street that They deserve better than being left on the street Frankly, we're not serving them in a way that I think Vermont should serve its most trouble and disadvantage And I get you know, really I get a little bit upset with that having been involved In this world for close to 40 years Oh, yeah, I mean it struck me I Tell the story all the time, you know back before I had my little health issue when I was about 250 plus pounds I was a big guy. I was literally walking down Church Street in Burlington I got a hot dog and I was eating it and was accosted by a homeless person who wanted a bite of my hot dog And I just laughed. I mean, it's like but there was me. I was a big guy But I was not my size or if I was Frankly a woman or a young person walking down. It was accosted by someone as wild-eyed as this person wanting a bite of my hot dog I'd be nervous and that's not good for business shootings on Main Street not good for business the theater of the street the mama drama that goes on because of the density of folks who come down The police will tell you it's it's it's not good for business And that's a lot of where my focus was was how to clean that up that makes Burlington more of a place that you want to go And then all of that ends up going out to the other communities as well And the and I think that is a problem that actually has to be addressed at the state level at the Policy level in Montpelier at the legislative level at the executive level Someone just basically needs to say enough is enough. We're going to take care of these people need taken care of You're having an unbelievable uphill battle that you're trying to do and that was no offense to you So you end up with an with an unbelievable battle that you're constantly trying to fight to create a bigger brighter wonderful Vermont and Meanwhile, you've got other states shipping their homeless and they're sick here because the services are so good and we don't have the support system to be able to help all these people and We are trying, you know, it's with bubblegum and you know bailing twine trying to hold it together And I and I see that from the human services side, you know, the community health center opening up the the wedge shelter To try to get those folks off the street, especially on nights when it's really really cold We've kind of expanded our services and our level of tolerance Around behaviors just so we don't have people on the street Is some of you may know we had some significant funding cuts from the federal government state government and local funding That put in jeopardy The day station, which is where people go during the day, especially in the winter if we're not open they're on the street and So we were able to get through cuts, you know do some fundraising to keep the day station open But you know what we were saying to this the city and others If we're not there you got so let's figure this out together and in fairness The city is doing a pretty good job, I mean despite the odds and the uphill battle There you may not always agree with how they address the problem, but at least the problems are being addressed and the mayor is Basically open about here are our problems. This is what we're trying to do to fix them You never get it a hundred percent right, but God I give I give them a lot of credit for at least trying You got to try something as opposed to paralysis Anything else your time thank you so much. We appreciate you you're welcome. Thank you for the time Moving on to the hurricane lane discontinuance Eric. I think that's your topic Last meeting the board Directed staff to pursue the discontinuities process segment of hurricane lane a hammerhead and part of this Movement to create more parking spaces for potential business to come into town It would move essentially move the buffer zone and create another 12 parking spaces here And the town would in turn receive an unrestricted easement back on to the property So as you'll remember recently with Chapman Lane, we've got to have a site visit and a public hearing so Question before the board tonight. There's a resolution with a notice of inspection hearing in your packet If the board supports this looking for a motion to support these Pieces here and we'll follow up with posting us accordingly and mailing out certified letters to adjacent landowners Straightforward so we saw the Chapman Lane Project maybe even a little bit more straightforward Everybody wants to set this point Chinatana motion I would move to adopt the resolution on discontinuance and notice of inspection and hearing for a segment of hurricane Lane is presented Very discussion on the motion quick question. It sounds like we have enough for a quorum Highly unlikely. I'll be able to make it. Sorry But and thanks everyone for your communications last week we found we can have four select board members great great And I will do my it's okay for me to do my own Any further discussion on the motion All those in favor of the motion say aye Moving on to errors and all missions and Rick I presume you're taking the lead on this one Okay, this is pretty straightforward also Yep, there was just I spoke to the assessor's office and there was just a couple clerical Oversights when the boards were present was the first errors and emissions a couple weeks ago So these are two adjustments that should have been on the original errors and omissions overall it would have an impact of Negative a hundred and forty nine dollars in tax revenue recommendation by the listeners to approve these Amendment to the errors and the missions for questions on this for Eric Motion again is in order. I'd move to approve the addendum to the corrections of the 2018 grand list is proposed by the listeners tonight discussion of the motion There are none all those in favor of the motion say aye me opposed So we've carried that and moving on to Traffic calming policy Eric. I presume you're doing this one too. Yep. It's my segment of the meeting So I did for this newest our latest draft Teresa had sent me some Written comments and there was discussion previous meeting as well so I've worked to incorporate that into this document and I can I can highlight the substantive changes if you'd like and kind of walk through. Yeah, just If you would please We'll start in section of five point five I've softened the language from Permitting a response strategy for which I went interest group coalition of stakeholders to developing a response strategy Then I've added language at the end in circumstances where a formal study is recommended to select what will grant approval to pursue the study Section six point two under a level one response I've added just language that the party that raised the issue will be informed of the process that will be followed to Moving on section seven point two I've added language in here to talk about Borrowing the neighborhood of proposed temporary evaluative treatments when we're talking about traffic calming these ideas where we're gonna try out Maybe a speed hump in the neighborhood putting a temporary one in there for a while to see see how it works See how people react to it And also just language at the slept or we kept updated of any temporary physical enhancements Before implementation and the funds to cover permanent enhancements should be available in the budget Sorry, the cost of these temporary enhancements. We should have money before we put those out there and purchase them section eight point two Language added here that select what would provide authorization to initiate the formal traffic calming study These are level three responses. We've looked at Do you mind if under that one you just talked about an eight point two but also going back to Where was it before? 5.5 where The select board is being Needs to give approval for studies before I guess before they can occur and I'm a little bit sitting on the fence on this. I understand Terry's point about she thinks select board should have more involvement and that's I think that was put in in response to that On the other hand, it's a kind of trust Staff to know what to do. That's you know why we have good staff and I Guess there's a corresponding other side of that I'm trying to figure out what makes the most sense here is that kind of becoming a bit onerous to have to come to the select board and Get these approvals or authorizations. I guess maybe that's the simplest way to ask it Well, thank you Yeah, I would just respond as as a board how you feel the policies appropriate what kind of step you would like to take I think We would include in the budget funds for these so If maybe the budget was going to be we're spent updating the board however the board wants feels it's best to approach And isn't that consistent with how we do other studies where? And like when we go through our budget process We have maybe a line items for studies that the public works department or the fire or whoever might initiate but in terms of actually Choosing when do we need to study and Whether the study ought to be authorized doesn't come to the select board does it? typically Generally do they do not come to the select board for that kind of thing I Guess I'm not seeing a reason either why we should be And I sorry Eric because we kind of have flip-flopped a little bit here on that's fine So I put all the feedback here on the document and yeah work and decide the policy direction to the will have since like board The other thing to keep in mind here is we're talking about a policy and and it's a document that I Strongly suspect we'll go through many changes once we start to actually Get experience with it experience with it. That's a good way of putting it because It's it's our first try it at this point And I fully expect that there are going to be some changes once we get into it And if we feel like there's a piece of this where the select board is being left out Then we're going to need to plug that or make that change because that is not the intent here And I don't view it as the you know I mean and ultimately when the critical decisions come which is probably mostly during budget season we do have that voice We are expected to chime in so I've heard a problem perhaps with that sentence and perhaps the if we have concurrence to strike that We're talking about section Five the top So let's take them one at a time. I think we were agreement on 5.5 on page five at the top of the five to strike that sentence Then moving over to 8.2 There's a new sentence added there as well. It talks about Providing authorization. Is there Concurrence to strike that as well. Yes Okay I'm sorry. I'm just going to spot off a little bit. I mean this would be the type thing we're in the manager's report we hear about That there was a study you know it has been initiated That's the type thing with that you know that would be the appropriate communication Okay, I am proceeding on for the rest of the I think this will be another change along those lines of the draft language here and appendix be I've changed a step one for a slept board approval for the this gets into the Formalized steps in the process for a traffic calming study. So I've inserted set step one select board approval That that may be something the board wants to discuss further based on those other two edits The second sentence is fine. It's an accurate statement And when we agree with You're thinking of removing the first sentence in the step one If there is going to concurrence on doing that Correct. Okay, I would ask I'm wanting to rename step one to Funding available Sure for a different title I'm sorry say that again to funding available from select select board approval the title of step one and then step four Under that I've added two additional So there's under the third bullet point Talking about possible traffic calming measures identified should be recommended treatments for the roadway segment Under examination as identified by Federal Highway Administration AG transportation inclusive of industry best practices and also including possible impacts For bicycles pedestrians other roadway users and any ancillary impacts for example noise created by a traffic calming treatment So if there's no other Comments or questions on this a motion would be in order to Approved this with the Recommendation recommend recommended just Striking of sentences It's ready for discussion on the motion Thank you, Eric All those in favor of the motion say aye Are you opposed? Good moving on to the budget review, and that's Rick With your permission. I'd like to go to manager's report first Minutes to set up. Okay. Yes good So yeah, this isn't the very long manager reports First off I Wanted to mine board members that our next meeting is a week from tonight December 11th There are two noteworthy things or three maybe they're worthy things first of all the meeting starts at 6 p.m Second all the meeting will not be held here. It'll be held in Williston Woods community room and thirdly The entire focus that meeting is just budget So we're we're gonna start at 6 p.m Too late the idea on the early start is to allow a little bit more time to get through more budgets So by the end of this month the board will have reviewed all Operating general fund operating budgets 11th at 6 All right All right, the second thing I wanted to mention, let's see is the recruitment process for Finance director as of The data I wrote this I had 20 applications. I now have 33 They're still coming in and my hope is to involve one select board member in the interview Process my thinking is that I'm gonna have a two-step process one is the first round of interviews Where we'll do maybe six seven interviews, that's an all-day process My thinking is that I would ask For a volunteer for the board to participate in the second round of interviews Which will be a much shorter process will probably have two to three applicants and That process could take two to three hours depending on how many applicants we have Okay Anytime I can avoid anything do with math and Thank you for that Never mean another thing I wanted to touch on is our I think I mentioned recently we were struggling with our public works department and We're still struggling, but the good news is we are fully staffed The bad news is that we're a good part of our staff is inexperienced in plowing So we're running with a training session at the same time You know we've had these early storms, so they've served as training sessions And we've been able to bring in well in some cases Bruce is Ridden with one of the drivers and we had we've been trying to bring in some of our retired Workers to kind of ride with some of the drivers. We've had mixed results of that, but we've managed okay I haven't I haven't received really any complaints My nose at least in one case one of our experienced drivers knocked over a few more mailboxes than might normally be the case They're doing their best to Provide I have to imagine that heavy snow was difficult to to move These are pretty big heavy trucks But sure did a good job moving it on my driveway. I said you did a great job with that wall at the end of my drive Yes, I had the same wall It was heavy So and then the final thing it's not in my written report. It's It's an update on the camera outdoor family center. Well, I'm sorry. It's the camera The closing we had into space was going to be the end of December It now looks like January I guess there was some sort of issue involving the appraisal wasn't the value was the Has to be very strict standards and and the first one that was done did not So that came in fairly recently and there's some other issues that need to be followed through on so Right now, we're looking at the end of January More that comes across my desk on that matter you happen to know how the fundraising that last little bit well my expectation is Well, my hope is that we will end up with the full amount by the end of January My expectation is that we're going to be short, but that will not jeopardize the project. It may mean that we'll have less money for some things Like we were hoping to set up like a fund for future improvements that may be underfunded And there's some other things that may change That's where we're at on that at this point And so I think we're that's it for manager reportless. You have anything You want on that? So let's let's do the budget for you It worked All right, I want to start by thanking Jennifer can alley our finance director who helped put this together and continues to work for us on a part-time basis Helping to get us through this interim period while we're looking for her replacement So Jennifer, thank you. And I also want to thank course all the various department heads for all the hard work that they put in Putting this budget together it it starts in September and ends well Ends in March And one thing I always want to emphasize Looking at a budget it looks like a bunch of numbers and it is but it's really a plan for services Because that it's really about the services that we provide this community and we provide a wide range of services Those services are actually identified in your budget book if I think associated with each letter of Transmittal for each department is a list of services. I Encourage you to look at that list because you may find some surprising services in there that we provide you know, obviously we Provide the basics of applying the streets and offering police protection services and fire and ambulance We have a library and we through our town clerk's office. We run elections, which is an important part of our democracy They property records are kept by that office wide range of recreation activities and programs and Facilities so there's much that we offer. It's all part of the service that we provide and it's all enabled to this Keep that in mind as we move forward So just a quick overview before I get into some details the budget that's being proposed for next fiscal year is 11 million 482 thousand three hundred forty five dollars This represents an increase of three hundred seventy one thousand three hundred ten dollars Which overall is a three point three percent increase over the current budget? the operating portion of that budget though is Represents about a five percent increase overall, it's three point three because of some of the other items are going down and One of the reasons why The costs are going up beyond the obvious is our populations going up It's interesting how steady the increase has been It's about 100 people per year year-in and year-out At least over the 20 years. I've been here it's been a hundred people a year and gradually we've been moving up the list of top Communities in the state when I many years ago. We were at 14 Now we're at 10 and we're closing in on number nine I was surprised at that. I this town of Hartford is next in line and their population went down a little bit And we went up a little bit So I found a little surprising So with increased population comes increased demand for services So that's part of What's driving? The increase in budget and you'll see in the budget. There's a couple positions that are being proposed to be added And that's partly because of the demand for service The other part of course is the cost of living is Increasing and it has picked up Just a few years ago. We were looking at a zero increase in the cost of living and now it's that's a fact or two because Every piece of what we do is affected by that the services we purchase the supplies we purchase and the Pay that we need to pay our employees in a very competitive labor market is all part of that so to Identify I Wanted to talk about some of the major Cost factors that are driving the increase Beyond the general items that I just mentioned The largest single category of line items is the wages and benefits I put the two together And that represents about a 330 almost three and thirty six thousand dollar increase And there's a number of factors here So I'll cover a couple quick ones and a lot of these are summarized in my letter of transmittal Which is included in your budget book first The good news is we had a decrease in our health insurance costs. We talked about that fairly recently That's kind of counter to the trends And we don't expect that we'll be able to duplicate that but That is something that we're very fortunate to have worked through for the next fiscal year As I also said wages are increasing so in this budget is included across living increase for employees Again to try to maintain our competitiveness in the tight labor market Our police department is seeing a little bit bigger increase in wages than normal not because we've added any persons but because we've Anticipate that we will be fully staffed next fiscal year and we haven't been fully staffed in a number of years In fact, we've been down two to three people For good parts portions of the year right now. We are down just one position And I have every confidence in the our current chief in filling that It's one interesting little side note our chief because he Was coming in from out of state was required to undertake a fair amount of training down at the police academy and He groused about that a lot partly because he probably could have taught a lot of the courses that they're offering but the Academy was very insistent that he take these courses and meant a lot of time away from the office, but he did it well it also gave him an opportunity to meet a lot of the recruits and So he's made a lot of good contacts through that process and so our hope is that he may be able to encourage a Couple of the recruits that were going through the academy not necessarily away from other communities But if they're interested moving Then obviously they've met our chief and you know what a great chief he is so We're hoping that That will help in his recruitment process but in any case all that adds up to Needing money to Pay for those positions and for the last several years. We've actually budgeted a little bit less in The department even though we didn't cut positions because we knew we weren't gonna fill them Well now we do and to space filling them So we've budgeted for the the full staffing so that does result in the increase in that budget another position We're actually adding a couple positions, but one the first position. We're adding It's kind of The it's a position that I Don't know how to just where to start on this one. It's it's a position that Worked both Let's say 60% of the time roughly in our parks department and 40% in our highway department So in other words during the summer Spring summer and early fall they would do a lot of the park maintenance a lot of lawn mowing and in the winter months they would drive a plow truck and that worked well for years As it happens though a hundred percent of that money was budgeted in the highway department and none was budgeted in parks and our needs have been growing in both areas and actually also been growing in our Buildings and grounds area. So what we're proposing to do is take that position and make it full-time in parks 100% and Of course, it's looking like we adding one whole new position there when we're I really only adding 40% of that position and But that'll allow us to do the 60% we've always been doing plus There's some additional work that they can be doing during that other 40% that they used to be doing the public works and Some of that can be also building some grounds. So That's how we're filling that out the other piece is Alright, so we had the 40% work that was being done in by this position. We're making that a hundred percent public works So they're gaining 60% I don't know if that all makes sense to you anyway, it's really one new position and We're dividing it up a little bit differently and so There's an increase in cost because of that and there's also going to be a shifting in costs as well This is the parks person was never fully really attributable to parks. It was Holy tribute of the highway So highway look good because they won't change at all All right, so another position we're adding is the We're splitting The town clerk and treasurer's position. So right now the we have one person doing that Let's step back it. She does one part-time the other part-time making one full-time job So by splitting it, you'll have one full-time town clerk and one full-time treasurer and this will This is consistent with the charter change that's being proposed if the charter isn't Change that may affect how this is structured But the extra Manpower in both offices is needed. So eventually some sort of change will have to be funded I think but anyway, that's that position An open space. There's a big change. We're seeing a decrease of 185,000 but that's partly because last the current fiscal year we had a One-time expense of 200,000 that we put into the environment reserve fund for the catamount property purchase that goes away and The differences we put a little bit more money in affordable housing and a little bit more money into the environment reserve fund That's where that came up with On capital projects and debt service we're seeing an increase of about a hundred and twenty one thousand And that's Detail and that's explained in our capital budget. So this is for those who like the graphic look of things. This is our pie chart and I won't go into a lot of detail here, but I would say that About 55% Our expenditures Goes directly towards supporting public safety related functions And that includes the highway department the police department in the fire departments that 55% Might even be higher if you took the debt service that was and capital that was directly attributed to blows I didn't bother to do that, but suffice to say that Huge part of what we do in terms of services is public safety related. So let's talk a little bit about revenue This is mostly good news we're expecting an increase in interest rates and With an increase in interest rates is an increase in revenue I remember for many years it was going the other way and every year We were budgeting too much for interest and we had to kept going lower and lower until we reached a plateau And it was almost nothing and now it's starting to creep back so It's being reflected here as an additional revenue of eighty four thousand dollars Another online item where we have budgeted an increase is local option tax I know I've said this many many times. This is a extremely volatile revenue source And right now we're continuing to see increases part of that is in the rooms and meals and there's a new restaurant opening up in the near future or Maple Tree Place and The retail businesses seem to be doing well I suspect part of some of the additional revenue coming in is relating to More companies paying taxes on sales over the internet That is having an impact we have no way of finding out how much of an impact because the state will tell us they keep that confidential But I'm sure that's part of what's going on but clearly when there is going When there is going to be a downturn in the economy, we will see significant decreases in this revenue and The fund balance will help us out in that point when we get to that point but in a case right now we're not anticipating a downturn for next fiscal year, but fingers crossed So we are showing eighty five thousand dollar increase On the highway revenue, I should have shown that as a negative number We're showing a decrease in highway revenue and that is strictly because we are doing less stormwater work and We are keeping track of the work we do in stormwater and Because we're doing less we can build stormwater less we can't So it's direct relationship and so That shows up as a negative 54 thousand dollars roughly Fund balance is another item Actually, I'll skip over that for a moment planning and zoning fees would be the next one We're still seeing a fair amount of development again with downturn in economy and In future years will likely see less but I think for next year We're still going to be seeing a fairly high level of Fees coming in for various types of development. So we budgeted 30,000 more That we what we currently have in the budget and finally fund balance We I Believe this year. We've proposed to use 889 thousand almost 890 thousand dollars of fund balance We do expect some of that will get used perhaps not all of it But some of it so we will see our fund balance go down somewhat We're also proposing to use about nine hundred thousand next fiscal year as well Some of that's in one-time expenses some of it is Increasing them out to directly reduce taxes. I think there's a hundred thousand dollar increase in that as well In fact, I think the next slide addresses that issue this is Kind of a summary of our fund balance. We're currently as of the end of June about three point seven million Which is above the range The range that is set by a second policy is one point one million to two point three if we use a hundred percent of what we Anticipate using for the current fiscal year that would bring us down to two point eight million and if we use a hundred percent of The nine hundred thousand that we're proposing for next fiscal year that would bring us down to one point nine million Which is within that range? My expectation is that we probably will not use a hundred percent But our expectation is that the rain we will be getting closer and closer to that range and Personally, I feel much more comfortable around the higher side of that range than the lower side especially when a Recession hits because We can easily lose two to three hundred thousand dollars in revenue Just like that from the local option tax without even knowing that that's going to happen That's this far ahead of time. So That's where we are on the fund balance Again with the pie chart here on the revenue side The not surprisingly property taxes the largest single piece at 49 percent The local option tax is a huge part of our budget at 26 percent and then we have a host of other Revenue sources including user fees and host town funds This is I said this past, but this is a pretty healthy Distribution of revenues in other words, we're not over relying on any one source I might I guess I'd feel a little bit better for less a little bit less rely on local option tax because of its volatility On the other hand, it's nice to not have to be as reliant on the property tax for revenues That's the trade-off that we have and this is kind of Relevant to the question Jeff you were asking of Earlier about the distribution of commerce or Business versus residential. This is our grand list breakdown by category. This is a couple years old I think but really it doesn't change much from year to year The the biggest part of this pie is of course residential at 57 percent and commercials 27 percent I would say that That I like as a manager, I like to see kind of a nice distribution I don't again. I think communities that rely too much on residential or too much on commercial Create problems Here and it's consistent with I think if there had been dissatisfaction with this kind of distribution Disatisfaction Generally what we do is tinker with it This distribution has worked well for the community so bottom line is how does this relate to taxes? And of course, it's a simple matter of doing the math when you take the total expenditures Take all the revenues other than property taxes and what your left is what you have to raise in property taxes And so our projection is about four five point four a million and I've given two different numbers here using two different Grand list rate numbers. So it's a there's a bit of a range the First number is the using a grand list of 199 670 that is our projected grand list We're assuming some growth and that would yield a tax rate of twenty seven twenty four twenty seven cents roughly and If we use the current grand list which really We know there's gonna be some growth. So that would be about twenty seven and a half cents tax rate That's per well, so our current rate by the way is twenty six point six five so that's the basis of comparison there and So What does that mean for the taxpayer? It means that currently they're paying Well, as they said twenty six point six five or twenty six cents Or twenty six and a half cents So if we go with the lower number That means that instead of paying two hundred sixty six dollars and fifty cents per hundred thousand dollars in value in municipal taxes They'd go up to two hundred seventy five dollars or eight dollars and sixty cents per hundred thousand in value And if we use the higher rate Then it would be only five hundred. Sorry five dollars and ninety cents increase in property taxes per hundred thousand dollar in value and Our over the last several years. I didn't do a slide on this, but our property tax rate has been actually changed very little We sixty five cents and then we went to I'm sorry not sixty five twenty six cents and then we went to a Little bit over that last year So And then the final slide is again, this is a little bit old, but I Wasn't able to get there the most recent date on this just yet, but Wilson traditionally has been at the very low end of the Scale in terms of municipal property tax rates in Chittenden County We've been always near the bottom and I expect that when I do update this will continue to be in that position And so This is the beginning The process meeting next week and as I've said We're starting at 6 p.m. Before I asked for any questions, I get since Jennifer is here like to Offer you the opportunity this if there's anything you want to add to this overview Okay Any questions on the overview well opportunity in the next few weeks to do that, too We are going to the Budget will be posted an instantarity on our web page. We do not have it up there yet I think the capital budget might up be up to work We're working to restructure how it looks so it'll be a little more appealing Maybe more people look at it. We're also working on a video or two We're trying to set up a series of videos I don't know how many will be able to get done this year But each video will be short and it'll cover different aspects of the whole budget process I know the first one we're working on has to do with the Grand list in the assessment process Because that that seemed to be the one one of the issues that People had an interest in based on the little survey informal survey that we did Is there any other business to be brought forward tonight If not then we're adjourned