 Welcome to Toffy TV, this is the final word, evidence 2 at Wafford Nill. Before we begin, we are proudly backed by the Athletic. The Athletic is full of Welsh-class writers and have their own focused writers through Paddy Boyland and Greg O'Keefe, some great articles on it. The good thing about the Athletic, no pop-up ads, things like that, but also it's actually real articles, it's not just clickbait stuff of bits and pieces and sensationalism thrown in, there's some really good in-depth articles. And other clubs, if you're interested in that, and as part of our sponsorship, you can get a free 30-day trial with the Athletic and then 50% off your subscription for the year. The link is in the description below, so check it out there. I'm joined by Andy to discuss an incredible Everton display last night. It was a cup tie and we won it and that's the most important thing. And first and foremost, the win is the most important thing. No matter what, I know I talk a lot about bigger pitch, but the biggest picture is that we're through to the next round with the cup. That's the most important thing. We need to win the league cup, we've never won it, swindered of won it, that says everything now, but we need to win it. I think we have more to throw with it. I think we've got the longest run of not getting a promotion, I don't know what that's about, or a trophy in the 2000s. So it's time for us to win something. I think the league cup presents the best opportunity because a lot of teams don't take it seriously. It's the semi-final, so I'm glad we're in the quarter-finals. There's a couple of teams you could draw that could ease our path into the semi. No, we've got the hardest one, but you never know. You've got to beat teams to win it, I guess, so we've always said that. No, I had the hardest one. Everyone called Chester with an injury crisis for them, and we have to play. And then a bit and level of semi out. And then a bit and an ox for the summer in the semi, but on a bit, now I've less to beat them. But that's what you need. You need a good run. I mean, last night, obviously, coming off the back of it, the very disappointing defeat of Brighton. For different reasons, yeah. You know, coming into the last night's game, it was a big game, Fred, and obviously the manager made a few changes. I'm very, very surprised to see Gary Mina play. That's one. That was one of my big worries as well. Why would you risk it when you could play Michael Keane and the whole game to go? But maybe, yeah, I don't know whether he's looking at Sunday. Yeah, well, he said Gary Mina was fine. I mean, and since he said he's not in any pain after the game. It was a risk that you didn't need, but we haven't got all that sense at half. So you couldn't go with a Gibson and a Hallgate. That's too risky in a couple of games. But I mean, I thought Mina was exceptional for the half an hour. James Coleman come back in the right back. You can understand that in terms of if he's keeping Sydney for Sunday and giving Coleman games. Midfield, obviously, Delph Gomez and a Wobie. Richard Charles, someone out to the left-hand side. Which was better, I think that's it. Well, listen, he's a modern day forward. He can play right the way across, which he has done in the last three games. He's played right the way across the field. It's nice seeing back there, though, because that's where he started forever, and if you remember. I like him through the middle. Say him, I think you get him through the middle, he causes problems. It's goals, isn't it? And then obviously Moise Keane coming on the right bit down the front. I think I'm not against playing Moise Keane on the right. But it's how and why. It's how and why do we play him? This is what the problem I have, and I know people have obviously had back and forth with people on Twitter today about it. I've got no problem in people playing wide if it's in the right system. So if you play 4-2-3-1, they're essentially deeper, aren't they? But you're attacking the field winger then. You're an actual orthodox winger. This is what I said before the game. If it's 4-3-3, and he's playing close with Richard and Tom McCarver doing great, because you know, get him in the pockets of space, get him running to the box fine. But when he plays as a winger, he's on the touchline. That's not the type of player he is, and it's never going to work. For me, Mark, was setting me to fail really in that sense, and I don't think the manager obviously intended to do that, but that was just, that's my opinion. And taking him off after 45 minutes, I don't think that did anything for his confidence either. I understand why he took him off. I totally got another problem in the idea of taking him off. I just don't think, why not start WarCot or change the system? I suppose it's just to give keen minutes. I think the biggest thing that didn't help him playing out there was having James Coleman best to him. Because I think to get the best out of a 4-3-3, something which Liverpool do really well in Man City, is when they play their three strikers, they're too full backs going the outside. So, naturally, they took him. So, it's Salah and Sen Salah Xanderan. Salah comes inside, so he's closer to Firmino, and that creates the space. City do it, obviously with Staling or Bernardo Silva, they're full backs, whether it's Karl Walker or... He's been around you for many years. Yeah, and the other day coming in around the outside, they're forward, so they are a real front three. I think Everton's issue, certainly in the first half last night, was Dom was isolated again. With Charleston and Moise Keane were really wide. If you look at the average positions, Moise Keane's actually on the right winger, but Charleston's more deeper, more on the left back, and then you've got Dom again who's always deep as we know, because he's got isolated the way he does. I don't know, it just doesn't work when you... Because the three of them in the four, three, three works, because they have three wing wide forwards, inside forwards, and a striker, that works fine for me. But when you play them as orthodox wingers, this is my issue with Charleston. When he's cutting in, it's fine, because he's cutting in on his favourite foot so he can shoot. When he's playing right sides and right wing, it doesn't really work. He's not a crossler of the ball, he's not really great, he's decent at passing, but he's not consistently good passing to the box. And it falls down, and that's why we've all been implored in silver to play four, three, three, and get them closest to the box. And then we wouldn't have had a problem if Moise Keane had failed in that, it would have been fine. But because he didn't give them the best chance, that's why I have my issue with Marco on that front. I don't really want to labour it, because I know he did win. That substitution sort of changed the game, because if you look at them walk-off, come on, walk-off played much narrower. Maybe that's experience of that position, maybe just knows the position better, because it's a natural position. And a bit of confidence, because he's playing, he's starting to play well, so that confidence is there, Moise Keane, you could say. You'd always know what a telling factor with players with confidence, someone like Moise Keane, you'd try to do too much as well. The touch isn't good, you're trying to impress people, stepping over it and running. I bet you when he's confident, he just pops stuff off and gets it back and makes runs. Charlotte was trying to do it on the other side, because he was playing in front of the snake lovers waving the things and they were booing him. He was trying to do too much on the ball, instead of just being nice and direct like he normally is when he's playing well. He was trying to go past places, he was taking the ball off him and you could see him getting frustrated. It's like just playing normal game, and that's maturity isn't it? We've got a young side, haven't we, in the up front, because Tom's obviously only 22, Charlotte's 22. I'm Moise Keane's only 19, but I don't know. If you're going to use them players, use them to the rest of the ability, get them comfortable. Don't just stick them, wedge them in and expect. That's the problem I think, is that you had to fix that mistake, and yet he means they've already gone off. So you left us with one sub for 45 minutes now, I know it worked out in the end, so hindsight's wonderful now. But to me, you don't need to fix a mistake like that, you should set up correctly, and set up in a manner where you're going to get the best out of the players. Now Mark will probably turn around and say to me, well, that's my system, that's how I want to play, but that's fine, that's up to him isn't it, at the end of the day, that's just my opinion. But at the end of the day, the walk-out has changed the game really, because we're much better in the second half. What did you make of the midfield, particularly in the first half? I don't know, it's still awkward isn't it? Andy Gomez, I said this last night on Twitter, and we've discussed it off camera as well. Andy Gomez is one of those people, it's a mentality, it's not a type of ability thing, because he's got all the ability in the world, he could be a classmate fielder, and you watch him, he's got every touch, strength, size, speed, skill, know-how, creativity, intelligence. It's just mental, mental, he plays with it himself. And when Andy Gomez is trying to be safe, and not really into the game, he's just not a good player. Not saying he's bad, he's just average. You don't get what? And we need him, because without him controlling the game and breaking the press, Delph has gone back to us, and Villa Delph as well. So that myth, without Tom Davis driving that tempo forward, with no-one in the team to do that, they're still pedestrian, and last night in the first half, we were fairly back to that slow. I won't be the sign of takers forward, but there was no back-up. I mean, what worked really well against West Ham, was that we had him and Davis carrying us forward, and Gomez was able to sit and be the meta note, where last night, Iman Delph, I won't say getting in each other's way, but they were both doing the job that one person should have been doing. I don't think, that's what I think in pre-season, when we talk about sand, Iman Gomez wanted to do too much of the similar things, get on the ball, control the game. Delph only had a bit more legs when he was younger, they'd like to drive up the field, but he doesn't necessarily now, I think Manchester City, they changed his role. Andrew Gomez, again, Valencia Andrew Gomez, was the man to drive them forward, he was the best in the field, he was the best in the field in the league. He's just not that player at the moment, and until we get that back, or unless we have Tom Davis, we're going to struggle in that midfield area. Do you think the manager shall be saying to him, play higher up the pitch? I think he probably, if he doesn't, that's a bit silly, but if he does, and he's not doing it, you shouldn't play them as a combination. The problem is, without Gabamon, it's Snarl and it's the other choice, you can't play them because then you get back to that axis of the three. I mean, in the first half, you know, thinking back, we didn't really create much. We had a Dominic Alvertleuron header, which he got wrong, but it was a good run by him. He'd done another one, a ball forward, it was a brilliant run by him. He wouldn't be at it, but he couldn't shake his body enough to get a shot right in the end. It seems to me he wouldn't be at it, he's better on the ball than the most centre back. He's played right back, but at right back he's not as good as he is on the ball centre back. I don't know why that is, but anyway. But in terms of on the ball, but I like the fact that he drives the ball, which basically then occupies a man, which then gives you space to other players, which is what we don't do enough, because he didn't mean to want to sit on the ball. He said he didn't want to sit on the high line, but yeah. I thought Mason, I think he's played reasonably well the last two games. It's a big test for him Sunday because remember the last time he played against Spears, he had an absolute nightmare in terms of positioning, but he's put himself forward as now the option to play next to either Mina or Keen. Because of his pace, because of his, you know, they're on the ball ability. Let's talk about Mina, because for me he's been added at his best play this season, the most insistent. Like I say, I was surprised to see his name on the team because of the injury, but I thought for the 30-odd minutes that he played, I thought he was magnificent. There was one where Holguig got spun by Gray, come across and took it. One where Coleman was just left the dead, and he came across and won the ball and came out with it. And you can see that he's now starting to get that confidence in that back line. He looks like a natural leader, which I always thought he would be. And he's confident enough that he knows no one's going to be able to bully him, because he's absolutely huge. He's just a man mountain. So to me, every game he's just getting better and better and better. He's coming in the lead, and you know what, if he actually could speak English properly, if he can get that up to level, he will be one I'd be looking at to be as our captain. Yeah, he could be, and he's got that personality as well. He seems to be infectious, you see him on Instagram with Richard Charles, he seems to be called friends, he seems to infect each other. He's always laughing and joking, but I think on the pitch he's quite serious. He's a winner. The thing about Mina, when we signed him, I was a bit cautious, because he hadn't really played a lot of games of what you would call top level leads. And he went to Barcelona, and he had one OK game, and he really struggled in the line-bar game, but he lost 5-4. And last season we saw some of that, where he gets out wide, he can't read it. But I think the more he plays at this level, even though he is 24, he's still got a lot of room to develop into. Because he hasn't played at that league, so once he gets more comfortable, he goes, actually these players aren't much better, these strikers aren't much better than what I've come up with. So he's going to lay in there. I think he's going to be a top defender, and he's just getting that bright partner next to him. Any flaws he's got, Mina or whatever, just to zoom in, I think, that was my thought last season. I know people thought Keane was great last season, but the real partnership would have been the Zoomer and Meener. But we'll see if we ever see that. But someone like it, someone with that pace, someone with that mobility next to him, like me, some hallkeeper, a bit more instinctive, a bit more positionally aware, then we'll be rocking this into the next season. I think for now, like I said before, Michael Keane, the advocate of him last year, he's been great last season. This season he's been poor. For me now, if all three of them are fit, all of our centrebacks, like we've got 12, obviously Gipson's not going to be considered. It seems. This is the problem when a match is under pressure as well. I've got me floating before tomorrow, but they're never going to play young players. You see all of each young boy, he's played in the Premier League before. He's battle-tested in that sense. They just won't risk players. That's why he's probably going to find it difficult at this moment in time to break in, because the manager can't trust it. He's got a bit of trust in things with his players. Mason Hallgate, Amina probably going forward. Hallgate's quick, isn't he? He's not lightning, but he's quick. He's mobile. A good lateral quickness to get across the football. Exactly. You've got him and Amina. You've got this proper physical stopper and you've got some more. Amina's quite good on the ball, but she's good on the ball. I think Hallgate's very good on the ball, so I think with those two, and then having Sidder being there with his pace, because she's quite as slow and down a little bit, you can tell. I think you then be caught, and Luca Dean's no slow, so all of a sudden you're eradicating issues of being caught out and not being able to recover. With Hallgate as well, when Siddie, we've mentioned before, he likes to press really high, doesn't he? With having made some Hallgate, he can defend in space much better than Amina, and he can cover that side, so it sort of fits better with a Siddie. Even with Corm, because you saw it in certain games this season, Corm and Keane have been picked out by Siddie if you try to exploit that, so I think with that more mobility, and with Mason Hallgate being able to defend in space, it's going to make Everton a bit more hard to sort of try and find that floor as easy. It won't be as easy to just try and pinpoint that in the defence. He finished with 60% of the possession. He didn't have many chance. He was careful. He should have gone low with he went high and he could have saved it. Moise Keane had a shop block when he made a good little run. Not that it really happened. He had a challenge, but I think had an opportunity and he screwed it wide. Not that it really happened. We got to half-time and the manager made a change. Walk off for Keane. I was a bit disappointed, I won't lie, to see Moise Keane go off for half-time. I had a problem centre four, but... He didn't play well. I've got no issues with that. It's just that I didn't think... I just think that confidence is going to drain from the play. You can see he's not playing. He's got confidence at the moment. The swagger he played with last season is clearly not... No, it's not there at all at the moment. That's a goal. He's a centre four. He wants to score goals. But Theo Walecock come on and he's had a bit of a reshade. It's the last few weeks I think he knows that the interview he did the other week and he said he'd had a heart to heart with the manager and about where he stood and was told he had to fight for his place. I don't know whether it'll change, but I think they were planning for life without Theo Walecock on my next summer. He's got to prove himself again, because he came in under Al Dice, he did quite well and maybe because the style of play suited him. I don't really understand why, because that's not what he played at Arsenal or whatever. And then he had that really mixed-pale last season. I'd still come to see if he put a few more chances away than we were on. He's much better with the work rate, he's getting in good positions and he's creating a couple of goals. It's a direct running as well. It was a few times just at the start of the second half. He made great runs and Coleman just didn't look at it. He hasn't got the ability. And three times he was in and you could see Walecock. It was on the opposite side. I think with having played the last couple of games with Siddi B, who does knock it off to him and then carry on running, I think Theo Walecock had a little bit of frustration, but he did kind of get that. And then Coleman did start looking up and giving him and as the game went on, but we huffed and puffed, we hit the bar with a woby, which was unlucky. We then had the free kick, which Luca Dain deflected on to the bar and you start thinking, it's going to be one of these nights. Well, it came for Perkins, let's be honest. I think that's what he came for. He's played players you haven't been playing obviously trying to get them going. I don't think I've ever seen the shaft for the last six months. I did, there was no rhythm. They had one good shot from the anti-grey, which Pickford shaved and he'd done that Saturday, we'd still been no-nil. Got his hands behind it. But Everton were prompting and probing and looking more dangerous, more dangerous and then we have a woby does really well in the box, clipped it across, good defender and actually took it off Calvert-Lewins' head and they come to Walecock and he put it back in and there's Mason arriving to bullet. First goal for Everton. Once that went in, they looked like they were like, there's no way we're coming back. But again, we needed just that extra goal just to make sure. We were not brilliant at putting chances away. Some of our football at times was really good till the final third and we get into the dangerous areas and it's either the pass selection is ridiculous or we take too long and the opportunity goes. There's no, like, sharpness about our play and I don't know whether that's a lack of confidence because things aren't working. Do we work on a matter show on the training ground? Is it like some managers where they go and they've got the players and they've got enough to do it and we work on them. We talked about this with Portugies. Plant defence, plant my fear. Tactical periodisation. The top of the pitch is off the cuff. I think maybe we need a few drills about how to cut teams open because we get in. What are the players there to score? I think if you played him in his natural position where that centre forward was one of the three up front, he'd scored 20 goals. He's a natural finisher and if you provide him with the chance and he won't be in the team, he's trying to probe and he's trying to get us in behind all the time. I think we've scored a lot of goals. But until then, with this 4-2-3-1 I don't know what I could go on about this again, but it's an issue because it's a time to go 4-1-3-2 and just have a slight variation on what he's doing. It's the one. I think with anything, with the 4-3-3, his whole idea was to have a good barman as the sixth. It's fine, but... I know you've got to be flexible, but I think right or wrongly that's his confidence in that system. With the double pivers, I think he feels he can get away with the two sisters. But he shouldn't both be sitting, but whatever. That's it. We said it last week. It's not always about formation. The roles within the team. Who plays within that formation. You've got mobile in the field that's running or lads that want to get up the pit. I think Tom Davis, whether people like him or don't like him, he tries to break forward, he tries to get us up the pit. Forward, pass, forward, pass. And that can unsettle teams. We went back a little bit last night to too much shot. It was better than the second half, so whatever he said at that time, he did kick on a little bit. We got the goal, we took Tom off, brought Yang Towson on. That left mid. Well, to be honest, he moved. There was a lot of movement. Night of Charleston and Welcott switched wings for a bit. I wonder why Theo never played. That's one thing I wonder why Theo never played on the left. He wanted to shoot all the time. That was... But he moved around a bit and saw some men on the left and was back in the middle. I think he was just, I don't know, I think he was just doing what he wanted. I just think he's not quick enough. You know what, I don't think he's a bad player at all and I think in the right team, I think Roy Hodgson would absolutely love my palace. Barely love it. Barely love anyone. But I think he's scored goals with someone like Chris Wood for Barely. Oh yeah, just playing off everywhere. Just playing off him because... He's a better finisher than him as well. I think he's scored goals. But in a fluid, fast team, which is what we've been built as, which we're not at times, but we are sometimes. He's just not the player. I think that's why we tried to sell him to be honest with you. Sometimes it's just about fit. Some players don't fit in certain teams and he's unfortunately one of them. But he was a half decent person. I think he's in a two. I think he has to play in a two for me. Obviously he's a one, I think he'd be fine there. If you're trying to break quickly, he's not the right player. But I think technically wise, he's a good player. I think he'll score goals. But he didn't really get into the game. But he put himself about. He does say that. He's not one who comes on and stands still. He runs around. And anyway, they brought Gerard Delfair and he was clapped on. Some people will like it, some won't. Some people, all by me, are clapping them. Because Gerard, quite clearly, you could tell last night he was thinking, I know what top I'd rather be wearing. Well, Gerard, he's one of those. He's another player when he comes on. You can just tell whether he's on or off. He's a fair bit of a player. He'll be missing for a couple of months. But he had one little run near the end and he has the shot, actually. There's a block. I don't know whether it's Michael Keane or it's whole guy blocks it past Towson Place. And Retiala's in 93th minute. It's all Retiala's. He's deep and he's based past Towson Place. It's not a great ball, but it's a ball in the right area for him to run. He has a lot to do because the centre gets back by the time it gets to the ball because it's a bit wider. Just a little shimmy. Natural striker's goal, that's where he is. That for me is what Retiala should be doing all the time. Put himself 1v1, get half a yard and he's got a good shot on him. He's strong. That's why I haven't built a team. That's how he signed all his plays in the summer to get a lot of 1v1s dribbling. I don't know if anyone read that passage at someone released in Pepsburg where he said I want dribblers in all positions because 1v1... He can't see everything else he said, didn't he, but he can't see stuff. But it was a really good goal that reminded me of the way we were playing towards the end of last season. We don't do it consistently. And we don't do it at any level, it's that way. But he took his goal brilliantly and obviously put us into the next round. I think he was delighted with the goal obviously at the weekend, he'd had that one chalked off. We didn't go to the snake celebration, but he did. Everyone was delighted. And we went through and that's the most important thing, the performance wasn't great. Obviously everyone's got different opinions about what's going on at the moment. But the fact we're in the next round is all important whether he's the manager or not, wherever it may be. You get through everything else we've played for me, the league, it's got to be the priority. We're in a position we shouldn't be in. And that leads to a rest on very quickly. 3.87 now. It feels further away than that. We've only got Brighton this week with three points. We get B-bye Brighton now, we've got Spayers, then it'll be we go to Southampton. And they're going to be fighting for the lives. And if we don't put some results together, we're going into December. You know what happens, if we're in the bottom three at Christmas, it means the second half of the season is going to be a slog. There'll be a different thing going on, but listen, we're on the cup game, we've got through. And that's the question, there's the teams that are left in it, obviously less the cold, just the City Oxford. They're two good teams, they've got some good little love. I don't care, either of them are home, and I'm dancing. They've got some good... I don't care, listen, less the cold, just the Rockford are home. Yeah, be nice. And then obviously tonight, there's games, there's Liverpool Arsenal, Villa Walsh, Chelsea United. There's the question, in your opinion, can ever win the Caravoco? It all depends on the draw. I think... Sometimes you can win cups and you're not playing well. The teams have done it before, we can cut relegates when they won the FA Cup, for example. So it's a completely different competition. Sometimes, you know, like, Rafferbyddy says one of the champions when they were dying that season. It can happen, I hope so. It's the cup that we have and one I've always said. I know people call it the Mickey Mouse Cup because we've said it to them for years, but it's important to win trophies. You want to get that face on the way, so we can build from there, but we need to be in the final. Cemise is the minimum, I think. I think when you look at it now, obviously the draw is vital. The draw is absolutely vital. You don't want Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal. Have you ever met again another favourable draw, Colchester, Oxford or Home, something like that, in the quarter-final? I was a watt, but I stopped the phone. Now when I've attacked Cuddwson, you're feeling probably really decent at your own performance, but it's the way you draw. Generally, we normally end up with Chelsea in this competition. We play them every year, don't we? Hopefully, that won't be the case. The draw, I think, is on Zoe Ball's radio show on Thursday morning. Yeah, a caravan. 4 o'clock in the morning in Thailand. Now it's on Zoe Ball's radio show show. I know what that's all about, but we're in the quarter-final and that's a big thing for Evan in this competition, believe it or not. I think it's Middlesbrough in 2016 under Martinis. It would have been December 2015 when we played them in the quarters and we got to the semi-final a year's show, other than that. We're normally out. Doing or writing that, obviously, league form is the big thing for Marco Silva. It's something that he has to do. It's a big game at the weekend against Spares. Ultimately, he's going to be judged on his league form. The caravan cup's great, but ultimately, it's about the league form. It's where the money is. He's got to somehow get some consistency into this side. That's the way of consistency. He can keep going. We're in lose, we're in lose. We're not going to make any kind of progress, are we? That's how Gary Mina is fit for Sunday. We'll have more or less part from Bernard, which is a bit of a bloc to be fair. Go bam anoddod, and that, it looks like we'll probably, fingers crossed, we'll have a full squad to choose from at the weekend against Spares. He'll come to Godderson, not confident. They're awful away from home, but got a good record of us. It's up to us to get out and get ahead in again. The clean sheet last night will help it'll help Pickford, it'll help the defence a little bit. The biggest thing I suppose whether you think Wofford are good or not was we didn't really look like we were likely to concede last night. When you have games like that, that can build confidence, but I mean, I don't think anybody's getting carried away. The performance wasn't great. Wofford weren't great, but you've got to win the games. Well, as you say, it's cup competition. Next round's all important. It's now settled for a horrific game Sunday, and we win, honestly. That's where I'm at at the moment. I just think we need to start to feel light at the end of the time. That's the bigger pity, but for me the moment we just need to win. With the pressure coming off, hopefully the performances will improve, but let us know what you think in the comments section below. Are you just relieved that we're through, or are you like Andy, you're a bit worried that there's still no style of play. Whether there's a plan or not, there's no pattern of play. Is that a worry for you, or do you just think I don't care? Let us know in the comments. Can everyone win it? Is that just the ridiculous question? It is all dependent on draw. Touch everything. Well, it would mainly. But big thanks to Andy for joining me subscribe if you haven't. Give the video a thumbs up. Join us on Payton if you want more videos. And don't forget, if you want to get interested in the other games, click on the link below. We'll see you next time. If you want to get interested in the athletic and what's going on there, click on the link below. Paddy Boiland, there you go. 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