 Welcome to the Syvenergy Forum on Measure L. My name is Bob Fung. I develop and direct the Syvenergy effort. Thank you for taking the time out of your weekend to attend the forum. And thanks to the Yes on Measure L, and no one Measure L can't pay for participating in the forum. A few words about Syvenergy. Syvenergy is a nonpartisan, not-for-profit experiment to protect and improve our democracy. As you have heard, democracy is under attack in the United States by foreign and money interests. New technologies like social media have given these interests new avenues for influencing individual citizens in their vote. Syvenergy is designed to help defend voters from these attacks. Our goal is to help voters resist undue influence and give voters easy access to information with which they can make their own decisions. Syvenergy combines two major elements. The Syvenergy website that has news items and events and discussions around local elections and publicly held election forums like this one. We have been working quietly on Syvenergy for several election cycles. In the last election cycle, I think we made our most significant contribution. We put on two forums. The first forum was for the City Council election, which had nine candidates running for two seats. The City Council forum was well attended with between 250 and 300 attendees. The other forum was for measures HINJ, which was held here in this room. In addition, we had an active discussion on the Syvenergy website for the City Council election. Mayor Rob Davis said this about Syvenergy at the near the end of the election cycle. I'm so thankful for the efforts of Syvenergy over the past three election cycles. It is a critical piece of our election process, I would say, indispensable at this point. I'm so thankful to have a one-stop shop to send people to get nonpartisan information on local candidate and ballot initiatives. After the elections, we hope to make a big push to revamp the website to be ready for the 2020 elections. With respect to election forums, Syvenergy has in some way taken over from the League of Women Voters, the chapter of Davis, who had put on forums here for several decades that dissolved several years ago due to the aging of their membership. There is some energy going into re-establishing the League here in Davis, and Syvenergy looks forward to working with a new chapter in the future. If you're interested in participating, you can send us an email at info at Syvenergy.org, and I will forward it onto the organizers of the new chapter. We want to thank Davis Media Access for co-sponsoring this forum with us, even though they're not available today. DMA will make a video available over the internet and at DCTV. Davis Media Access is the non-profit community media center serving Kiello County. Its mission is to enrich and strengthen the community by providing alternatives to commercial media for local voices, opinions, and creative endeavors. For more than 30 years, DMA has produced voter education programming for races ranging from school board to Congress. I want to thank Linda Dioz here on my right for being the moderator for our forum today. Linda is a North Davis resident. She's a consumer protection attorney and community activist who is always working to improve our community. Our other volunteers include Norby Kumakai, who will be the timer today. Tia Will, who's working with us on the clocking questions, and Heather Carson, who was helping us with hospitality. I'll turn it over to Linda now. I have to remember to press that button. Thank you again for me to come out here on this lovely windy day. First of all, let me give you an idea of what the format is going to be and how this thing is going to go forward. And I'm kind of using this probably because of my legal background, more of a legal way of thinking of it. In the major L, we have the folks who, the developers and such, were putting this forward. So I kind of looked at them as having the burden of persuasion of their year to persuade you. So just like in any court, they would go first. And they would also go last just for that reason because the burden is on them to do that. And both sides know ahead of time what the format is going to be. There's no surprises here. So what we're going to do is have opening statements, five minutes each. Again, the yes on the L would go first and then we're going to go into questions from there and I'll alternate to those first and second, back and forth between the questions. At this point, I have four questions from me that I'm going to be asking. And then we also have seen we're passing out cards to folks to put down your own questions if something wasn't answered to your satisfaction or something you want more. Feel free to put that down on the card and we'll get to that. If we cannot get to every question tonight or this afternoon, they will all be posted on the CIV Energy site kind of like what they did during the city council race. And we can then go back and look and both sides will have opportunities to respond perhaps to more depth when they were able to do this this afternoon or get more details or address things that they want to go into talk more about. So you will have the opportunity if it doesn't, you don't hear what you want to hear or get enough response today to go into the CIV Energy site and see what they follow up with. So I'm going to move right into it because we got started a bit late. So we're going to start with the opening statements and each side to the side and the site is going to give them. But over here you've got here five minutes and check out with Dorothy here because he is going to be giving you an idea of when the time is. All right, thank you. Hi, I'm Jason Tarmino. Thank you all very much for coming today. I encourage you all to vote yes and measure out and take care of our community seniors. We're going to be building 150 affordable apartments for low-income seniors and we're going to be building small format homes and we're also going to be building single story homes so that people can age in place. 1,200 square foot homes, 1,400 square foot homes, 1,800 square foot homes, but not 3,000 or 3,500 square foot homes. Our opposition I think agrees that this is a good idea because they've come up with no legitimate points. They seem to be taking in the ancient Trump's book and throwing out big lies and little lies and trying to divide our community. We're going to be building transportation. Maybe they haven't seen that there's a bus stop that's right now that we're going to be building a transit hub in the middle of our development. They've said that there's no guarantee we're going to build 150 affordable apartments except that every land dedication site that we've ever done in the city of Davis has a affordable housing built on it. I suppose if more three ascends over a nuclear weapon and it lands on our site we might not build them but they say that we're getting a 60% discount on city fees. That's ridiculous. They say that we don't comply with SAICOP the Sacramento Area Council on Governments. We met with a president he liked our plan. He said that our mixture of medium density and high density and the fact that we're serving local people was a good idea. I would ask you to vote yes on Measure L because it's a way for us to take care of our community members. Good afternoon. My name is David Thompson with David Hood Partners and I'd like to recognize Kelly Ramos who is the treasurer of the Davis senior housing communities the partner that we're not working with on this project. Thank her for being here today. Many of the attacks on the low income senior site are preposterous and untrue. It will be built as Jason has just said. We have just finished. We were given the creek site site although some of the no-people said we've had it for 15 years. We have not had it for 15 years. We had it in June of 2016 and by this summer we raised 34 million dollars to build 90 units of housing for those most need in our community. So the challenge that we don't do it we can't do it, we won't do it is just untrue and it should not be a part of this conversation. The sad truth to know on L winning is this that 150 apartments for seniors will not be built and the occupants of those apartments will be about 170 low income seniors people that we take care of at Eleanor Roosevelt circle and in Dixon and soon hopefully in Woodland 70% of those seniors are elderly females 37% are minorities and about 30% are disabled and they are living in houses as low as 400 dollars a month which is nothing that you can get in Davis. So if you have questions about the affordable housing please answer them. I'm Dan Carson. I'm one of your two new Davis City Council members. I wasn't on the council to approve this project but I did my additional homework after I was elected to look at it and I did decide to endorse it and support it. I have three tests I apply any project that I will over support. It has to be sound land use policy. They have to deal with the environmental issues that might be discovered through an EIR and any project has to be fiscally positive. This project meets all of those criteria. My commission looked at the fiscal on it in great detail and we probably will talk more about that later but it's undoubtedly and very clearly fiscally positive. The main thing about this project and the reason I think people should vote for it is because it meets a critical need in our community for senior housing of different economic groups. Our city constitution if you will our general plan spells out one of the critical needs for particular special groups and seniors are one of them. If you go back and read the city general plan update for housing you will see a Browler startling number they looked at the census data between 2000 and 2010 and how the population changed and what that data show is a 50% increase in senior households. There is clearly a critical need to serve that group. We have to help other groups as well but I think that's a great place to start with this project. Thank you. Thank you very much and now we're going to give five minutes to the NOAA campaign. Yes, my name is Ellen Pryor I'm the treasurer of the NOAA major L campaign and we think there are plenty of important reasons why you should oppose this project. Number one, the development is a 75-acre conversion of productive farmland into a sprawling development that's really reminiscent of the 1960s. It is a sea of single storage, single family homes on average 1,000 square foot lots except for a small 4-acre proposal income housing stuck right on Corral it has almost no density or diversity of building types. This problem was recognized by the Sierra Club who officially endorsed the NOAA major L campaign and oppose this project as unplanned sprawling development. Number two, this development does not meet our city's real demographic needs for more diverse and affordable housing for both seniors and working families of moderate income. Let's face it, we're selling prices for most of the larger homes at $700,000 and more the only way your Corral mom is going to be able to afford to move there is if she's a millionaire. What we need in Davis is affordable senior and family housing and not a luxury Dell Weblight development gobbling up our farmland. Number three, the project opens up the entire northwest quadrant of the city to the north in east of Govel with a speculative piecemeal development. Folks, this is no way to develop a modern sustainable urban environment for Davis. What we really need is a comprehensive master plan or site specific plan before we move forward on that. Number four, the developers taking care of our own Davis based buyers program is inherently exclusionary and we believe illegally. Essentially what this program does is say that you can't buy there unless you're connected in some close way to the city, such as you work here, or have kids here, or you've graduated from local schools. The city is enriched and made more resilient and vibrant by the diversity of its citizens. Regionally Davis has at least racially diverse city for many decades. Our population is also the oldest and most wealthy in terms of income. They're taking care of our own Davis based buyers program exacerbates all these demographic imbalances in Davis, which is why the developer and the city are being sued for civil rights violations under the Fair Housing Act by famed Sacramento Civil Rights Attorney Mark Merritt. Number six, the city has granted the developer massive giveaways and subsidies by reducing project impact fees by over $3.4 million compared to fees normally charged in new developments. That's $3.4 million that could be going into the developer's pocket and not being used for city infrastructure. Number six, the city itself projects a positive annual return to city coffers as a result of built out of this project. However, this estimate is based on accounting gimmicks that assume unsubstantiated lower cost for providing basic city services to the project. One member of the city's financial budget commission estimates when more realistic assumptions are used, the city will actually end up losing $150,000 to $200,000 a year on an expensive over and above property tax receipts. Number seven, other than the four-acre minimum land donation on which someone else will build additional low-income housing required for the project, the developer is not contributing any money to the actual construction cost for the low-income housing units, as has every other major development encounter in the recent past. Instead, the developer is relying completely on possible future availability of government grants to build the units. Thus, there is no guarantee that these needed low-income units will ever rebuild and as a result of that, there is a provision in the development agreement that if it's not started within three years the land goes back to the city. That wouldn't be there unless there was some risk of non-performance. Number eight, this project puts seniors on the far edge of town in a segregated community with poor connectivity. Our seniors should be integrated into the broader community and is a valued part of an inclusive community and not warehouse to elsewhere. For all of these reasons and more, please go up no on Majorelle. Let's send this project back to the developer and demand a project that meets the real needs and reflects the true values of Davis. Thank you. Thank you both of you. Now we're going to move into the questions. And I do want to emphasize and I think what we need to continue doing that is keep everything to the issues and no personal attacks one way or the other and not say that's happened yet or will happen, but I just want to make sure we're clear about that going forward. So on this first question and it's not really, it's more of a discussion point at least. You will see from the four questions all of them are raised in both of their opening statements. The first one which is going to be that no one held evil will respond and then each and then there'll be a rebuttal and then a response and you will have two minutes each of you to respond initially. Here it is. Discuss the financial impacts of the proposed project on the city of Davis. That's it. The financial impact of the proposed project on the city of Davis. Alan, you guys refer for two minutes. Yes. The developer giveaways include huge discounts on project impact fees, normally paid for development of this type. For instance, roadway fees are reduced by approximately 60%, storm water fees approximately 40%, park, open space, public safety and general facilities all are reduced between 25 to 50%. Overall reductions are from 8.4 million to 5 million dollars, a giveaway of 3.4 million dollars, a 40% discount was right into the developer's pockets. What could the city planners and council be thinking to give away this amount of money that could be used for infrastructure development in the neighborhood. Now the developer says this is because there are fewer people at the facility, but I would suggest that the public safety needs may actually be increased because there will be more emergency calls because of the higher percentage of elderly people at the facility. Stormwater costs will be the same regardless of how many people are living inside, maybe even greater because they have periodic sheet flooding on that side of the town. General facilities costs may also be greater because of the higher percentage of services provided to seniors in our town, such as the costs associated with the senior center. And roadways will not be reduced that much because the biggest wear and tear of our roadways is not the cars that people drive, but the large service vehicles such as the garbage trucks and delivery vans which use will not be reduced in this project at all. Thank you. Two minutes for you folks. I will leave you the response for us. First my background, I'm fiscal and policy analyst by profession. I did that work for the state legislature for 17 years for non-partisan office. Retired and went to work for the finance and budget commission as an unpaid volunteer for four years. I know a thing or two about numbers. I scrutinized the numbers with my commission very carefully. We had five meetings over six months looking at the way the city evaluates projects and their fiscal impacts. This one has about $300,000 net fiscal benefit to the city year after year. The main money is coming from property tax, sales tax and some state monies called vehicle and lieu property tax and lieu of VLF. There are expenses. They are appropriately captured in our models. We did adjust, for example, the fire department cost to reflect the fact that we don't need to build any new fire stations, we don't need to hire another fire chief, we don't need to hire another assistant chief. It's called variable cost. You try to pick up one of the costs that really are driven by this project and we've done that. There is no giveaway on the one-time fees. There was an adjustment on the development impact fee side of the budget and more resources than that have been put back on the other side of the budget in terms of what are called community enhancement funds as well as various amenities in the project that are being paid for out of the developers, out of this pocket. So we've got things like an extraordinary ad buffer that is really a linear park, a series of important pedestrian and bike path improvements along Covell Boulevard to make things safer, donations for a 50 meter swing, swimming pool, all sorts of improvements to help retrofit people's old homes if they move to this development. There is value, this is a good deal for this city. Thank you and you have a one-minute rebound. Yes. I note that the finance and budget should never review the final development agreement and they specifically noted that they were not going to give a recommendation to the City Council tell that review of the final development agreement which has not occurred. But in addition to these huge subsidies of impact fee reductions the developer finagled even more give-backs from the city. For instance, the developer is putting in a minimal amount of changes on Covell Boulevard but the city is not going to give that fee by another $1.8 million for them putting in that without even requiring any invoices or receipts to prove that they've actually spent that much money. Also on the issue of parks fees the developer is getting out from almost all of these fees because they are claiming their for-profit wellness and activity center provides neighborhood recreational activities and they should be on the way along Covell Boulevard as recreational so they're giving credit for that which is actually double dipping because they're getting credit for the roadway enhancement fees also. Thank you. In a minute again to respond. Sure. You can play the cherry picking game of one item that goes down and then you ignore all the other stuff that goes up and you can come to an incorrect conclusion. The city in these major development all the costs all the amenities in a comprehensive way to make sure that the city is getting the best maximum benefit for our citizens that was done in this case carefully and analytically and I just started giving the list of things. This project provides other benefits that will for example help our city meet its greenhouse gas reduction goals. Not only do they provide money when someone moves down to this project to help retrofit their house they're providing subsidies for folks who would like to buy all electric homes they'll provide additional money for all electric appliances. There's so many things on the list here they're all in development agreement anyone can read that document for themselves online it's on the city website and you can see for yourselves all the benefits of our citizens that's in this project. 30 seconds. Yeah I'll go back to the question of whether or not the city is going to have any money on this or not. In addition to the developer giveaways with a strong indication that the city may actually lose money every year on this project. The city projects a positive annual return to city coffers as a result of the build out of this project but they assume full cost excuse me reduced cost on a per resident basis for providing basic city services. One finance and budget commissioner repaired an alternative analysis that projected an annual deficit of $150,000 plus per year. Thank you and 30 seconds. That was right. Thank you. Let's not forget that this development is about taking care of senior citizens it's about taking care of our community members and allowing them the opportunity to stay in Davis and not have to move. This is Goldstein said to me Jason I live in a 3,000 square foot house next to an elementary school and it's really smaller and new so I can move in a family and move into my house. That's what we're trying to do. Thank you both. Let's move on to the next question and don't forget in the meantime if you do have a question that comes up let Tia know and she gets you a card and you can write it up. Next question or discussion point discuss the projects affordable housing plan. The yes and no folks will forget that. You have two minutes each. Well, there are many different ways in which the city of Davis has an affordable housing plan done. We worked with the developer on what is called a project individualized plan and the developers came to us and asked us if we would work with them. We looked at the site we looked at where we could be located. We chose to be on the south side of the site so that we will be near the bus routes and the Coville Boulevard. The number that we came up with I think in the first initiation was that the site would have to accommodate 56 units and that was by going through all of the different types of housing the different types of condos and the different formats so we rolled everything into low income housing so that we would be able to accommodate 56 units of housing so that we would deal with those most in need in our community. There are other ways in which we could have done that. At the time, we learned of course that what the land that we had been donated to can accommodate almost three times that amount. We can build 150 units on there. We are allowed to build 150 units on there. It far surpasses the city requirement. It is the largest piece of land that any developer has ever given for affordable housing in the city of Davis. It will be the largest number of units ever built in the city of Davis. We are very, very proud of what the developer has given us. We are very proud of what we will be able to accomplish and we are meeting the city's affordable housing requirements by far. Thank you. Two minutes. Yeah, first of all we believe that developers of the city's low income housing ordinance by the donation of only four units of land by our estimate excuse me, 4.2 acres of land by our estimate the developer should be pawning up either $4.2 million in cash or an additional five acres of land at a minimum. This is because the developers claim that they are only required to provide 60 units of housing is correct and they claim that is very generous for providing four acres of land for that. But since this is a four sale housing project they should be required to provide four sale housing units. The city code says that half of those units should be three bedroom four sale units, half should be two bedroom four sale units. Now if they change that and go instead to under the rental provisions of the housing ordinance it's true they can look at that but then you have to calculate their low income housing based on the number of units excuse me, the number of bedrooms that they are provided. By our calculation they should be providing 180 bedroom units which at a density of 20 units per acre should require the developer to provide nine acres of land, not four acres of land as they are proposing. But if they don't want to do that they can satisfy their obligation by pawning up $4.2 million in in lieu of fees in the details of that argument in a Davis fan garden article to which no one is responding or criticized on that. I think they are ducking under the loop in eliminating some of their low income housing obligations. You have one minute rebuttal. Okay, I will start the I get amazed sometimes at the kind of thrust that the new people have done. They go partners in our various nonprofit organizations have worked in Davis for now over 30 years on all of the different projects we've worked with all of the different developers. The critique that Alan and others have is just preposterous. It is doesn't mean, you know, just doesn't mean it. The 150 units that we get to build are for seniors. Seniors do not need two or three bedroom units. Elderly income seniors are usually single people. HUD and other requirements are that we can only build a one bedroom unit for them. They cannot live in a two bedroom unit. And we have 27% of the doors that will open for homes in West Davis will be for low income seniors. We are happy to have done that. And if no wins, we get nothing. One minute response. Yeah, again I emphasize that the developer is not making any contribution to the low income housing construction costs like every other recently approved housing project in Davis. Nishik Lincoln 40 Davis slide all of these sites were approved with approximately 15% of the rooms reserved for low income residents and the units are managed by the developer and integrated throughout the project. Sterling apartments, a project chose to donate one acre out of six about 70% of the total project planned to a non-profit mutual housing of California who will arrange for construction and operation of the 38 units of low income housing plus the developer is putting up $52,000 per unit towards a construction cost. In contrast West Davis active adult community they're putting up four acres out of 75 less than 6% of the total project plan donated to a non-profit but no money at all is being put up right towards construction costs. 30 seconds. The land that we have been given is worth $4 million That's a hell of a lot of money. There's no land in Davis that have been given for affordable housing the ever before worth $4 million. $2 million will be put in by the developer to enhance the site and to do all of the site improvements. We will be able to go to the banks for $4 million value for the land of $2 million for the improvements we will be able to get funding the 15% that he talks about is really ridiculous it is a bed in a room not a unit. A bed in a room to share with a college student for $600 a month. 30 seconds. Yeah, I've asked David about that number of $4 million where was it derived? I said do you have an appraisal on it? No he doesn't What's the value of the land being purchased by the developer? Is that $4 million? No it isn't. This $4 million is pulled out of thin air into the site. That's what the land's going to be worth once it's completely improved and utilities are brought to it. The utilities are not costing $2 million to bring into the site. They're actually brought right along the site just to provide utilities for the remainder of the product and put stub ins for there That $2 million donation is ridiculous Thank you both Alright, now we're going to move on to the next question and again I'm reminding you to put your own questions together and let Tia know on that Next one Discuss the air quotes, the taking care of our own or the Davis Buyer's program elements of this project that no folks will go first Two minutes So, recently I published a series of articles on the history of housing discrimination in Davis and based in part on recent research on the subject from a number of authors and specific assistants I got from Dr. Jesus Fernandez and the Sociology Department at UC Davis I looked at things like step time lending and exclusionary zoning that consists of development patterns that focus on low density, single family houses, and those kind of things that continue discriminatory patterns Once even things like redlining and racial restrictive covenants were outlawed in Davis In 1970 the Hispanic Latino population had a very small representation in Davis at less than one-third of the statewide share and we can look forward to now and these disparities have continued such that persons of Hispanic origin only account for an estimated 14% of the total Davis population of 39% in California 46% in Woodland and Latinos only make up 4% of the total population in a 55-plus year age group in Davis more than three times less than their share in the overall Davis population And now we have a textbook example of an exclusionary housing program with locational restrictions with clear on the face of the disparate impacts that is these aren't necessarily discriminatory by intent but they are discriminatory effects the developers themselves discriminating by zip code would be illegal would be illegal and their legal team agreed a lawsuit has been filed alleging discrimination in fair housing violations by one of the most prominent civil rights attorneys in northern California and there was not that recently in that price that rightfully called out the terrible language used as the tagline for the project taking care of our own the distinctly Trumpian tenor that effectively delineates past from that and I would just note that there was a my time is up so I won't do it Alright, two minutes for you folks I love BRIC statistics I love BRIC statistics I've got some on my own that I made up I think if you take this 1800 square foot house and it's more than 8000 square foot lot and you inverse and multiply by the coefficient of the water content of baloney you'll find out one thing they just don't want to take care of Davis seniors they're fighting this project because it's a sport to them they're not thinking about people to move into this development they're not thinking about the little old ladies who currently live in Eleanor Roosevelt and have a safe home to live in they're not thinking about the Davis seniors who raised their families here who are living in big houses and with lights downsides and something that's new and safe and doesn't have stairs we have to think about people living in these houses, sitting on their back patios with a walking path that goes right by that they'll be able to sit there and talk to their neighbors that's especially important as you get into your 80s and your last mobile you'll be able to sit there and see 100 people walk by here during the day and chat with them perhaps you'll be able to say I'm not doing that well as a friend of mine once told me when he investigated elder abuse cases that one of the biggest challenges they face was that when people were isolated and they didn't have people checking them on a daily basis, they were susceptible for abuse one of the things that we're trying to do here is create a safe space for Davis citizens to be and we created a reference program because people complained about the advertising for the Canada for advertising in Los Angeles and San Francisco and they were not focusing on what Davis needs this is a Davis needs project and it all started one night we were out to dinner and there was a lady at a bus stop who was distraught and needed a ride home and she got a ride home to Elmore Roosevelt and my dad called Davis and said let's talk about this what's the need for seniors in town and that's where this phone started focusing on the needs of Davis one minute okay so I have a note about the tagline taking care of her own and actually my dad has now written an op-ed in the enterprise apologizing for the use of that how insensitive it was in the marketing I would actually say that as insensitive and offensive as that is as your father had said that the actual results and the actual impact of the program is even worse and I would note that you are running away from this language in the project as fast as you can but just now in your opening statements Mr. Teremino here used the same language taking care of our community seniors he just substituted a word in there so they are trying to apologize for this but they are continuing the program itself five seconds as a community we need to examine projects that would have the effect of continuing these exclusionary patterns how do we enact policies and programs to avoid continuing these past patterns and making the community more inclusive thirty second final response taking care of people is important, it's part of our community values I'm certain that the voters and Davis believe that's part of it our general plan says that we should take care of seniors it also says that we should take care of students and we should provide workforce housing I also believe we have a need to build housing for adults that have mental challenges there are lots of needs and this project is a great one if you go yes on measure out and this gets built people will live there and they will be happy and they will be well taken care of thirty seconds so more generally regarding the project the needs of seniors can be met without excluding other households and without the specific exclusionary for housing violations that this program is admitting to can take care of non-seniors with disabilities first time home buyers local workers and particularly families with children and I would note that the general plan itself regards the primary internal housing needs of the city of Davis as workforce housing and that's something that we have not addressed thank you both now we're going to move into the last prepared question before we go to the audience questions here and the last one would be yes I know people would go first discuss why you think the city of Davis would be better or not to have this project built at this location we have two minutes please this is a great location for a senior focused neighborhood it is right across from the Sutter Davis emergency room and that's what yesterday happened in five times the last five years it is right across the street from Sutter Davis's medical offices and community care which carries for lower income people in our county it's down the street from Dignity health care down the street from UC Davis health care where I go my wife goes and my parents go they've got a great lab there it is also about a quarter of a mile to a half a mile away from the marketplace where Pete's coffee is there's a pharmacy where there's a safe way there's a nice wide walking biking path to get there you could walk there you could tricycle your electric bike or you could drive there people have asked us about what is the traffic going to be like it's going to increase at the peak hours five seconds in the morning seven seconds in the afternoon for the one peak hour each time it's not a big impact but this is a great location for seniors and we were also building an activity and wellness center there with a health club a swimming pool and a restaurant there's plenty in town of course you have to pay but those are three amenities that people in the area would be able to access they'll be able to walk there they'll be able to bike there and they'll be able to drive there I can't think of a better location in town near health care for a senior development to be located did you want to use the rescue timer you're fine? okay two minutes over here please I cannot have his chair first location I'm thinking big picture about this keeping with measure art directors and they're asking the butters to approve this measure art initiative the project proposals should be evaluated based on whether the proposed conversion of agricultural land to other uses is necessary and whether it meets the directive addressing the city's internal housing needs and the phrase internal housing need as I mentioned when I last talked has a specific meaning in city of Davis policy framework documents and studies starting around 2002 and leading up through the general plan update in 2007 in the adoption of measure art in 2010 there's a whole section titled that in the city of Davis 2007 general plan update despite that there are some who have either forgotten this recent history or hoping that we forget this recent history the city seeks as an approval to convert agricultural lands right in this location on the periphery of the city but workforce housing is so central to the council's conception of the city's internal housing needs that along with the 1% growth rate guidelines that were adopted in 2005 they adopted the middle income ordinance in 2005 as one of the primary ways to address increasing workforce housing supply for households who had incomes above the low income affordable housing thresholds but still couldn't afford to incorporate housing and I think there's a real irony that these same project developers who are trying to use a really broad nebulous definition of internal housing need applied to measure art which means apparently whatever they wanted to mean were actually involved in efforts to kill one of the main policies in Davis that addressed primary internal housing need in Davis which is the middle income ordinance David Termino spoke in opposition to the passage of that in 2005 the Davis Chamber of Commerce worked on behalf of a coalition of developers and other business interests in Braggs about killing middle income ordinance provisions in 2009 one minute please all right let's deal with some of these issues here for us having 150 units of senior housing at that site is an incredibly great site for us to be with community care is the element providing healthcare to low income seniors in this town Robin Afery was just recently retiring told me that 19% of the visits to community care are seniors the highest majority group that visits hospitals and the urgent care and the emergency ward at Sutter are seniors this is a great place for people to be in it's very very comforting for them to know that we have 400 people on the waiting list for these places in Davis this would be able to accommodate a great number of those people and there are 15,000 seniors that are going to be living in Davis according to Sheila Allen in 2025 I think so this is a great location it will serve many of the low income seniors better than anything else we have in town and we are glad to be able to be here 30 seconds okay so I'll also say that the talk we had about stats and there was a 50% increase in senior households I believe that Dan mentioned I would say that shows that senior housing has actually been met to a large degree there are not similar studies that show that since our greatest internal housing need for workforce housing was identified that we have met even a tiny portion of that thank you all our internal need for senior housing has not remotely been met at the top of this entire discussion I quoted to you the census data showed that the number of senior households in this community had increased by 2,510 years there is ever a reason I think it's still grown dramatically that's 250 a year this project was built out of two years of that pent-up need that's gone on for years we have a city policy in our general plan to address the housing needs of seniors and I think that's it sorry about that okay now it's time for the closing statements and after that we will do the audience questions so closing statement that no folks will go first and you will have 3 minutes to present your closing statements 3 minutes so Davis should not be about exclusion Davis should not be about developing segregated neighborhoods based on age or otherwise housing should be developed that needs needs of the local community not just one segment Davis should also not be about excluding outsiders particularly when it will likely perpetuate and possibly exasperate exacerbate the city's existing ethnic and racial imbalance we are better than that we should stand up for inclusiveness and integrated communities I'll also add so much emphasis has been trying to be put on the yes on major L side about this is all about low income housing that is a very small part of this project the Sierra Club Sierra Club itself substantially supports this and made it very clear that they supported the low income housing project on this however we are not willing to sacrifice 65 acres of farmland to accommodate 4 acres of low income housing we believe this project should be sent back to the developer to come back with a project that really meets Davis' needs we've seen that with Nishi Nishi Wine was turned back they came back with a different project it was substantially acceptable to the community we think the same dynamic should occur here please vote no on major L and bring it back with a project that really meets our community's needs and values thank you I'll have my colleagues here talk a little bit no matter what is said about the negatives of this development I'd like to remind everybody that a yes on Albo takes care of seniors that's important for our community we don't need to be divided about that we don't need to make up stories we don't need to say that this farmland which is actually the Rooms Hay which is sort of one of the types of soil for growing any crops it's a great travesty what's important is that we concentrate on people and we're building housing for people if this measure does not pass we know for certain that we don't get affordable housing we know for certain that we don't get an activity along the center we know for certain that we don't have 2.7 miles of walking paths we know for certain that we won't have smaller single story homes for people that age and why I support this project and urge you to vote yes on Measure Out first of all on the diversity issue there are significant components of this project that I think will increase diversity in Davis the affordable housing, those 150 units that are going to be built are available for at the high end income about $32,000 a year that on the natural is going to increase diversity of this city it's also worth remembering 20% of the force are available for families and a lot of those units will be on the smaller side they can be starter homes for some people they're a program for trying to focus on people connected to Davis includes people connected to the UC Davis I want you to look at the demographics of UC Davis 30% of the undergraduate enrollment at UC Davis is white, 70% is non-white that opens up a great many opportunities for people we need this in this town and I will just close by saying I do get emotional about this because I really care and the people that are on our waiting list for all of our projects mount to nearly a thousand people and that's in family and in senior my own mother-in-law is on the waiting list for Eleanor herself, she is 95 she's been on the waiting list for three years I don't think she's going to live long enough to be able to move in there are lots of other people that die while they're waiting on our list because the wait is too long what we are able to build here is 150 units of senior housing with on-site social care with all sorts of programs to help the seniors programs that will help feed them good and better health and the quality of life that we have at Eleanor is just fabulous so we want to extend it to another 170 people please don't guess okay in the next minute here I'm going to get to questions that the audience have had and I'm going to go back and forth those first and once again each side one, two minutes two minutes and then one minute one minute and 30 seconds for two questions I have a number of questions there we'll put them on the web page on the website and have and offer the yes and no sides to answer your questions verbatim so okay here are two questions alright the first one discuss the transportation connectivity to the proposed development and specifically what pedestrian and bike access there will be to the marketplace shopping center so I'll start with the no one else of course of course discuss the transportation connectivity to the proposed development and specifically what pedestrian and bike access there will be to the marketplace shopping center or not me, I mean that way too two minutes okay one of the things we've objected to is support connectivity of this project if you start from the far northern edge of the project it's anywhere between a quarter mile to a third of a mile down to coval approximately another half a mile to get up over the freeway and to the marketplace there if you're going the other way it's almost one and a quarter miles to get over to Lake Boulevard and up to the market there that's something that a senior is going to have a hard time doing and I remind you this isn't a pleasant stroll through the park either that's walking along one of the busiest thoroughfares in town you're going to be subjected to automobile exhaust, particulate matter from that and then once you get there you've got to turn around and come back and bring your groceries back so it clearly isn't going to be something that pedestrians are going to be utilizing there can you use a bicycle to get up over that? yeah but you've got to get up over the freeway overpass and pass through some very congested freeways John Jones Road, Chester Drive the freeway on and off ramps on coval we simply don't think it's a very walkable or bikeable location now they've talked an awful lot about the transit hub that they're going to put in right now there's only one bus stop and that's on coval about a third of the mile away from the furthest people on this project great for the people in the low income housing not so great for the other people further back in the development there they've talked about a low or a transit hub there however that's completely ill-defined and undefined in the development agreement they just say there will be a transit hub we'll have places where you can plug in your EV vehicles and maybe someday we'll talk in a transit bringing a bus up into that project and being able to turn it around there that's not something that's promised it's a dream and until we see something in writing quite honestly I don't think it's going to happen thank you for you folks two minutes I can repeat the question again I got it I'm just wondering if my opposition sees any goodness in the world we have a development that will connect to the marketplace by an existing wide it's about 10 feet wide and it's separated from Cobalt by about 15 or 20 feet we're going to be improving the Cobalt Boulevard by spending more than $5 million we're going to spend that money on landscaping the walk from art development to the marketplace is improved we're going to do striping we're going to make the intersection at Cobalt more fizzling, bike friendly more pedestrian friendly we're getting rid of some free rides doing the proper striping etc it's a great place to live it's nice to walk to the marketplace you can also cross the street get on the bike walking path that goes over crossing to the Willowth School which is a bike walking over crossing we've got connectivity across the streets where the University Retirement Committee is the Royal Pool and the schools over there Pat Wood and Emerson but also down towards Dignity Health Care and UC Davis Health Care it's a great location now and it will be a great location when we build there and the statistics that were quoted before can of course incorrect if you want to get Google Maps out and measure it for yourself you can see that those statistics are not correct it's going to be a great place to live if people vote for it I'm not exactly sure why they were opposed to student housing before and they were opposed to work for housing before and they're opposed to senior housing now and I'm not sure what they'll be opposed to next time but they always seem to be opposed to something and never seem to want to be helping other people I guess it's because their lives are so good and they're afraid that if somehow somebody else has more they're going to have less I don't believe our community thinks that way I believe our community will vote yes because they feel that caring for their fellow citizens is the right thing to do a one minute response one minute again and again I do encourage people to keep to the issues on this and stick to the issues thank you well first of all I'd like to address his comment about we're against student housing we're against old folks housing we're against workforce housing that's blatantly true and to throw that into the conversation it's just throwing some bright shiny things up there to distract you from the real issues here which is a poor quality of this project itself turn it over I'd like to echo that Jason you're using language they do that it's just classic us versus them type language I don't think that helps we're talking about specific problems with this particular project I for one have worked in affordable housing for my whole career and something that I've advocated for and what I'm advocating for is more inclusivity and more diversity and more affordable housing and your attempt to any opponent of this project with a broad brush like that is really just not adding to the community discourse 30 seconds please thank you well in terms of the low income housing we are very very appreciative of and glad to have a particular location that we do the bus stop outside is for Yolo bus as well as it is for Unitrans we are designing a project so that we can have turnaround buses for Yolo special bus and Davis community transit and so we will accommodate those most of our folks are on county programs and when I ask them how long does it take it takes two hours to get from Eleanor and Roosevelt to the county quarters they have to change two buses to do that we would love to be on route that as Yolo bus we can get right to Woodland for those people I also know that it's very easy for them to paint opposition to this project as us being against low income housing that couldn't be further from the truth for very strong proponents of that and I'd love to see this project go forward if it were not for the 65 acres of sprawl that they're tagging to this if this project came back with truly affordable workforce housing and the proper amount of land donated for low income housing I would be absolutely supportive of it thank you ok this next question again from the audience is going to be you folks will be going first on how will this development health or hurt Davis achieve its goals in reducing greenhouse gas emissions this housing development will be the most energy efficient neighborhood that's ever been built in Davis we are also going to be donating money to anyone who lives in Davis who moves here to fix up their current home to bring it up to higher standards right now 25% of all greenhouse gases come from driving transportation and it's about 25% from homes so by concentrating on older homes because ours will be so energy efficient we'll be able to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions from all of Davis and put it in a positive direction and we'll have solar on every roof these will be about 45% above the current title 24 when we do title 24 coming in 2020 electric cars we'll have more than 50% of the electricity usage of the activity and wellness center will be generated by solar we'll be putting what looks something like the marketplace downtown we'll be covering that with solar so we can have farmers markets there and generally speaking when we're talking about building new houses the energy demands are so low in comparison to the existing housing stock that's why we've chosen to concentrate not only on our own development making it very energy efficient but also on the older homes I think the estimate is if you spend about $5,000 on an older home you can reduce the energy by 50% so that's where we'll be concentrating our energy thank you for two minutes the claims of these are going to be the most energy efficient development in Davis or rather hollow every development that's going in in Davis now is extremely energy efficient for instance Nishi, they're going to be producing 100% of their own energy there or if they do not or cannot do that they'll be producing or they'll be purchasing the remainder of the energy used there from Valley Clean Energy our local community choice entity at the fully renewable work rate we don't have that same commitment from these folks from Valley Clean Energy but they have not committed to buying it at the fully renewable rate as have Nishi the Marriott Hotel going in Sterling and LinkedIn 40 so I'll admit the design is going to meet current energy efficiency standards but it's not going to go much beyond that in fact there were requests by the city council to make this an all electric community when it went in there was decline on that they continued to want to use natural grass there and their claim was because some people prefer that they want to provide a choice to it well in this day and age unfortunately I don't think we can afford the luxury of choice when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions finally I'd add on that the amount that they're donating to for energy retrofits to people if you're selling an existing Davis home and moving in there and I believe the number is $2,700 on that and when you juxtapose that against the sales price of $700,000 or more for one of the new homes there if they're the 1,800 square foot units there that really doesn't do much at all so the claims that this is the most energy efficient development ever in Davis it just rings hollow go in a minute okay thank you well for the 150 units that we will have as senior affordable campus this will be the first in Davis that will be net zero energy it is required by state law as of January the 1st of this year that all affordable housing must meet those levels so this will be the first one in Davis we to do that have to do a great deal of solar we have to do a great deal of insulation we have to do a great deal of walk kind of windows everything that we do is measured by the state so that we meet the state requirements and we will one of the wonderful things that we are able to do is by doing this kind of work is to bring the cost of the individual bill for the senior who is living there down to $30 a month that is what is the average paid by the seniors in our projects and we work with PG&E to bring that down to almost nothing so we are going to be very, very proud of what we will achieve at that site one minute I am confused here he claims that this project is going to be net zero energy which means all of the energy is going to be provided by renewable energy on site but yet there is an energy bill associated with it I don't understand that it is either net zero energy or it isn't which isn't David you can choose to respond to that in your 30 seconds or move on to something else is there a first for 30 seconds? yes, are you finished? yes 30 seconds when you are building the most energy efficient neighborhood that has ever been built in Davis and the other site says no you are not, I don't know where to go from there our last neighborhood that we built 25 homes is wonderful as the first neighborhood in Davis that incorporated a universal design on every roof now they are claiming that we are not doing something that we are going to do I think they just don't want to help people in Davis at all 30 seconds it always comes back to where if we don't agree to them we don't like seniors that's ridiculous, let's really take this conversation to another level there are pros to the project there are cons to the project we are down to whether or not we like our seniors or not let's move on from that and start dealing with the specifics of the project instead of the mud slinging and the naysaying thank you thank you everybody for participating in this there were some more questions that came on board and so again you can come up to the folks afterwards if you agree to hang around and answer your questions and I do encourage you to go into the CID Energy site and see what the questions are there and the responses to those questions so everybody can give a round of applause