 Boom, welcome to the Red Man Group Live, a 21-Summit 2022 of Orlando, Florida, celebrating 16 years of 21 studios and 21 convention live events. This episode, the final episode of 21-Summit 2022, the final show of our entire event. It's called The State of Women. Earlier today we did one on the state of masculinity, basically the state of men in America and throughout the West, and now we're gonna talk about the state of women and the state of femininity. We actually have an entire convention that kind of inspired this episode called The 22 Convention to make women great again, and in many ways, that's the purpose of this episode, to help make women great again, make women the greatest they have ever been. So before we get further into the episode, I want to kind of go down the panel, get a basic introduction for the people here and the people on the video years from now. Who are you and what are you about? My name is Zan Perion, I'm Canadian, and I wrote a book called The Alabaster Girl, and I'm here on this panel, I believe, because I really love women and I have my whole life. My name's Jeff Younger, I'm from the great state of Texas, I'm a father of two boys, and I've been fighting to stop one of my sons from being transitioned to a girl by the family courts. I'm Anthony Johnson, Anthony the Dream Johnson, I'm the founder of 21 Summit, 21 Studios, 21 Convention, the Patriot Convention, 22 Convention, the Red Man Group, and 10,000 other things on the internet, or in real life sometimes. I love what I do, I think women are pretty awesome, pretty dope, I have a girlfriend, a couple of sisters, love women a lot, and I'm gonna make them all great again by the millions. My name is Alexander Juan Antonio Cortez, popularly known as Ajak Online, husband, father, personal trainer, writer, and I've become known for many things in this man's spear that we have relative to self-improvement, but I've always gotten along well with the opposite sex with women, so hopefully we can have a constructive conversation. My name is Jennifer Molesky, I am a wife and mother and hobbyist YouTuber, and I like women too, I guess it depends on the individual woman though, I don't like all of them, but I want to support you in making women great yet again. A woman. What's that? I said a woman. A woman. Get a woman of that. Oh, Jesus, that's great. That's very clever. That's great. So I want to start with AJ, Mr. Ajak's here, Alexander Cortez. AJ, even before, make them great again, you were known for writing tweets that were very provocative and entertaining and educational for women, including how to be a beautiful woman. And about 15 million women, as I understand it, loved this tweet thread. Talk to me about how to be a beautiful woman and what happened when you wrote that tweet that reached so many millions of lovely women. So that was an interesting experience. So the original tweet was, it was basically 12 steps how to be a beautiful woman. You want to be fit, thin, pretty attractive, feminine, like men, listen to men, dress well, be hygienic, cook, clean, be graceful. I think something along the lines, I can't remember all of them. And funny enough, it actually, I stole that tweet from somebody else where I forget who it was, but they wrote a list of 12 things women don't need to be. And I found it preposterous. And I just rifted the opposite direction, called things women need to be beautiful. And it blew up, it got, hired my impressions, it got 14,000 comments on it. And what was fascinating to me was that, I was, yeah, this is a very generic list, you're basically describing a basic female, XX chromosome. And it caused a firestorm. And I got death threats, I got girls telling me that I should go kill myself, castrate myself, you're an incel, women hate you. Baby dick. You should fucking die. He got, it's always the same insults. And I also had a bunch of women seeing me, pictures asking me to rate them of, am I beautiful? Like, do you think I'm beautiful? Am I an eight? Am I nine? Am I a seven? Like, are you single? So, is there anything mixed reactions? But, what was this signal of, I guess, on like a metal level? Is it gender polarity has been dissolved the past decade? We're not allowed to differentiate any more between the opposite sex. We can't even say opposite sex any more. Are there sexes? Apparently there's 96 genders, 500 genders. We don't know. Bolly-polly, furry, sexual, cat-sexual, masculine, presenting, female, I even know. It's a word salad. It's just utter confusion. And it's affected the dating market. It's affected the fuck rate. Men and women aren't fucking any more. There's, if you look at statistics, if you actually look at statistics, so we often talk about like the rise of incels, right? Like there's a whole segment of men, somewhere around 24% of the population. I'm not bullshitting this. About 24% of men are no longer having sex under the age of around like 40. So young guys, ages 20 to 40, one in four of them are not having sex. You know, it's a big deal, right? It's like, Jesus, we have all this incel problem. Look at women statistics. About 18, 19, 20% of women are no longer having sex. We have the rise of fem cells now. So we have roughly one, four to one 5% population, 25, 25% population, who are just, they're not fucking, they're not gonna reproduce. We have a declining birth rate. So we can talk about certainly the segment of population that are these women who are fucking whores, only sluts, all these things. And the giga-chats, guys who are just laying down pipe and they're fucking everybody. But that's in reality, it's a small segment. That's not 60% of the population. That's maybe five, 10%. The majority of the population of men, women, they're just not interacting with each other. They don't know how to anymore. A woman can't even be beautiful because, by my own list, if you're to be thin, pretty graceful, that's not what a woman is. A woman is, I don't know, it's something else, right? This anger, rage, confusion. Men don't know how to be men. So that list what made an impact made me realize that the dating market, like the sexual marketplace, the fuck it rate marketplace, it's fucked. And it needs a change. Hope I answered the question, right? Was that the question? I actually don't know what the question was. No, you nailed it. Okay. In some way, somehow it was awesome. I was enjoying this a lot, yeah. Jeff, I want to move to you. You're quite a bit older than I think. Except you're in Xanar about the same age. Somebody can have this for both of you. The others over here work quite a bit younger. What have you two observed about the fuck marketplace as AJ put, or the sexual marketplace? What have you seen change in the West and America and in Canada over your lifetimes since you were young? What I'm sure was a lot different when you were in high school, 15, 16 years old, compared to what we see now, where we see prostitution on the internet being normalized for millions of women and sugar baby lifestyles and college campuses. UCF in Orlando is a sugar baby capital of the world if you didn't know that. So right down the street. So what have you seen first Jeff and then Xan change in the sexual marketplace during your lifetime? The most obvious symptom that was a complete decline of modesty, right? I even go into churches now and I'm looking at butt creases on women. The skirts are so short and there's just a complete decline in female modesty. If I was asked what an attractive woman is, it would be a woman who's chased and obedient. That's an attractive woman. That's a woman that will be attractive to many men and many men will be willing to put his protection over a chased and obedient woman. And I just ask you, where on earth will you find a chased and obedient woman today? It's very difficult to find. Both the chastity has declined, right? It's almost non-existent, which is why we have your slogan, make women versions again. Yes, yes. And women are in a profound state of disobedience. For example, sassy is a compliment that women give one another, but sassy means impudent and rude, but that's become a virtue. So what's happened, I think, to really precipitate the decline in people who don't, is they just find people who are not in any way attractive as a man to provide protection for them. And so young men just started checking out and what happened was 20% of the men just started getting all the pussy. And 80% of the men look at any college campus, that's how it works, right? And it has nothing to do with men protecting women or helping women or being part of women's lives. It's purely a transactional form of prostitution. And that's become the norm. Zan, you focus a lot more on beauty, so I'm curious about this from your perspective, that perspective and any other you'd like to provide. You're 58 now? 58, yeah. So you've seen a lot in your lifetime in this? Yeah, no, we're all the same. Okay. Yeah, getting up there. Have you seen beauty decline in women in your lifetime? You know, I really have been thinking about this a lot, which changed in 20 years, because I've been doing this a lot in a lot of stages. And what has changed? What's interesting, and I was just talking to Jason about this earlier, and the thought occurred to me, and that we had this cultural shift on earth that I was part of. This thing called the seduction community that arose 20 years ago. And it had a much bigger impact on the culture around the world than we think, because it was hidden and nobody admits it. But I was on a conference call with some crypto wizard guys and entrepreneurs and Silicon Valley type guys, and they said, yeah, in my college days, I was all over it. So, and I'd go to Warsaw back in the day, and 300 guys in the audience that don't speak a word of English, but they wanted to be part of it too. There's a bigger thing, and why? Why did this come upon the earth? Because there's lots of things we can say. We had this, what, 100 years of a feminist equality movement. The idea was equality, it was called equality, and that was the goal, equality. And all these years later, we don't have equality. We have sameness. It's blended together, and I've been preaching about polarity for 20 years, and talking about how the feminine grace is missing, and we're starved for it. And the masculine grace is missing, and we're starved for it. Masculinity is not toxic, it's absent. And the true feminine grace in its power is an equal thing. It's polarity though, it's not the same thing. And what's interesting when I was talking to Jason about, because that pickup artist movement blanketed the earth, and it was a big cultural phenomenon that affected an entire generation. And what happened was, guys realized that it didn't work. I didn't get my supermodel in bed in three easy moves. And I didn't get that, and so there's an anger in the men. But more than that, what's interesting, what I see 20 years later is a loss of hope, because the seduction community, the pickup artist movement, gave men some exuberant thing. I can follow an algorithm, I can get a girl in bed, and I can seduce girls, and I can do the thing if I follow the algorithm. And gave this blanket of men this profound hope, and there was a lot of excitement and exuberance, and there's layers in every city, if you recall. And everybody came together and they're celebrating, because we've got to finally have an answer for men. But the answer was misguided, it was manipulation, and we're down this wrong path, right? And it didn't work, and so now it's disappeared, and there's a lack of hope in the hearts of young men. And that's why we have things like this new word in cell, because there's no hope for the men. So the message that I've been trying to say, what you guys are trying to say, is that there is hope, and there is a way forward, and masculinity is beautiful and needed and necessary, and feminine grace is beautiful and needed and necessary. So that's my long-winded answer. A woman. A woman. I like how many of you said that. I'll credit you, don't worry. I stole, it was used in the U.S. Congress, I think, late last year, like in December. But actually, someone said amen, and then someone said, a woman, a woman. That's cool. And actually meant it, and I've just never forgotten that. And it was a news cycle for a couple of days, but I love that. Every time I go foster-causing, I'm like, hey, woman, brother, how are you doing? That's hilarious. Jennifer, let's move on to you. Based on what Xan just said, masculinity is beautiful. That's not a term, that's not a statement you often hear almost anywhere, even in the Manisphere. I don't think I've ever heard it. Yeah. How do you feel about that? Is masculinity beautiful too? You're married, is your husband's masculinity beautiful to you? No, but I wouldn't call it beautiful, but it is, I think men are so awesome. I've always had admiration for men. They just move and operate differently than women. Even their hanging out is just different than women, and women are more bonding, and we talk, and I love that because I'm a woman and that's how I communicate, but I like to watch men operate in the world. And I think women appreciate men, but they have been told that they're not supposed to because they can do it too. But we, okay, I can open a jar, but my husband does it better. I can protect myself from an intruder, but my husband is more equipped. He has a natural ability that I don't possess. Yes, I could go and learn how to do that thing, but I'm not made for that, and I don't want to be that. So I appreciate what the opposite sex, what a good man, a good man, what they provide to society. I wouldn't call it beautiful, but it's not because it's a, I would choose an equally wonderful adjective, but I wouldn't say beautiful, but needed in, and. You mentioned early on in the statement admiration for men, and your own view as a woman, do you feel that admiration for men is central to being a woman, to femininity? Yes, I guess, I think I do. Once you admire, and you can see someone for what they were built for, and they're doing it, and they're doing a good job of it, you easily slide into what your role is. I have found more, I have settled into who I naturally am more so since in the past five years, I'm 44, so it took quite a long time to find my natural habitat, where I really feel more like myself, and I only do that, I'm only that because I am the opposite, and I work with my husband, but it's, without him, he completes me, but really, he does, you know, I get to be comfortable and safe, and do the things that he's not wanting to do, or not, it's not his role. Yeah, I hate when I'm not articulate, and this is that moment right now. You get to embrace being a woman. Yes. It is right. Yeah. AJ, I want to move to you. I think you'll have a good insight on this. You have been observing and involved with, and tweeting, and provoking the Manisphere for several years, much like myself, in your own unique way, but particularly on Twitter, right? In the past couple of years, we've seen a lot of women get more involved in the Manisphere. I think on the panel earlier today, there was someone talking about that, I'm not sure which speaker it was, so it used to be almost zero involvement of women in the Manisphere, and there's a lot more of that these days. From a content creator perspective, and then even from like a common Manisferian type perspective, if you want to call it that. What do you make of that, and where do you see that going? Is that the invasion of women in the Manisphere? Is it a useful thing? Is it kind of a mixture of both? What are your thoughts on that? I would frame it this way. I was kind of telling Zahn this and Jennifer this before we started filming. So, if we look at masculine and femininity as two properties, they're the opposite of each other. If we could use the yin and yang kind of example, you have hardness, you have softness. Yeah, you have penetration, you have a womb. You have beauty, you have roughness. So it's opposition, there's a contrast. And women always, whether they subconsciously acknowledge it or not, they take their cues from men. Even the stereotypes that we have today like the boss, queen, boss, bitch, boss, girl, it's essentially a woman trying to replicate being a man who's a leader, but she's doing an inferior job. A lot of the qualities that women have today that we often criticize were like they're bossy, they're brassy, they're disobedient, this intactness of kind of attitude. It's a woman imitating playing a male asshole. But whereas a man could be an effective asshole and still be liked, women trying to be an effective asshole, you're just a bitch. Like no one actually likes you. Like it makes for a contentious life. But you'll be going back to that framing. So you have masculinity and femininity. And I noticed this, this was around 10 years ago when I was personal training, I was training women. And I remember hearing constant complaints from my female clients about just how hard dating was. And they can't find a man capital M. There just doesn't seem to be that many men left. At the same time, I was young, I was going out. And I was noticing just myself where there's not that many guys really approaching women. There was already that reticence, there was the beatification of men or like sexual marketplace was already becoming more split. And then I encountered the man of spear years later and I realized like, okay, like the seduction community, there was this segment of the men where they realized like, you know what? Something's gone wrong. We need to maybe improve our skills in a misguided way. But like we need to improve ourselves. We need to improve ourselves. We need to be better equipped if we're gonna have any success in the world. So you have the man of spear rise. It's male self improvement. And then women at the same time, they've been hurting this whole time. Women live in their own world. We'd like to think, this is very male centric, right? We oftentimes think of women as just evolving or revolving around us. They have their own spear that they exist in that's separate from us. And women have their own sufferings or complaints, their own pains. But women without men to guide them, they're not gonna take any cue. There was no female self improvement spear. But then finally, you start having the man of spear grow, grow, grow. And girls see this, young women see this, they're like, oh, like guys, men have realized something's gone wrong. So it's not just me, I'm not just crazy. And they start forming their kind of own community. And it's going through its own illusion right now of whatever you wanna call it. Girls trying to be traditional or trying to be feminine or fem, trad, con, whatever. Trad lines. Yeah, and it's gonna be silly and it's gonna go through various permutations and there'll be things to make fun of. But overall, I think it's a positive thing. For all the guys, especially the massacre who always bitch constantly about, there's no good girls left. Yeah, I always make jokes about this. Like you have to go to the good girl church where the good girls are, which doesn't actually exist. Anyway, so all the guys who complain that they can't find good women in quotes, well you know what, there are good women and they've come together. So you can probably talk to them. Maybe you'll find a wife and then you can increase the fuck rate. Yeah, I really like this. We need to emphasize this. Y'all are gonna remember this. You need to increase the fuck rate. How are you gonna save the West if you're not fucking and reproducing? Really, now how are you gonna do that? All this bitching concept. I've heard this from fucking for years from guys in Blackpilled. Oh god, we're on decline. I just keep fucking consuming negativity. Okay, how do you change the world effectively? You fucking become a man, you become a leader. You have a woman follow you and you have children. And you reproduce and you teach what you want to see in the world. You're not gonna fucking do that bitching about how you can't get laid and it's not even worth getting laid because there's no good girls left. Go fuck yourself. Increase the fuck rate. Increase the fuck rate. Increase the fuck rate. Increase the fuck rate. That's probably, you need to stop fucking yourself and go actually fuck a woman. There we go. A woman. I love this last point though and I've talked about this, I think I mentioned a little bit as well that in the Manisphere for forever, there's been almost forever anyway. Bitching and moaning about no good woman, there's no good woman here, no good woman left. You're seeing like Blackpill. And yeah, if that, there might be some truth to that, right? That's not a complaint out of nowhere but it's like if you're not gonna fucking do anything about it, you don't have a lot of room to bitch. If what you're saying is true, if you believe it and if that's accurate to reality, you can't fucking do nothing about it. This is why I may make women great again, right? It's why you make some tweets sometimes that inspire women to do a little better even if they get, you know, butthurt in the meantime. It's necessary. You can't have great women without mansplaining, without men teaching them how to be great women. It's at least one of the main necessary components for women to be great, to be good women. And yeah, if there are, if you can't, I'm not gonna do anything about it. You know, action, you're very much about action, Jeff. Yes. And then have to take action. And that starts at least with speaking. You know, at least a woman have an alternative option of what to do. You have to at least be able to tell the truth to women. Yeah. If you don't have the balls to tell them the truth, then you're not gonna have, you're not gonna have any success at all. You know, one of the reasons I think we're seeing more women show up to these events is, you know, it's a phenomenon that I've noted many times. In a crisis, you know, apartment building catches on fire or a train gets stopped in the subway and the lights go out, whatever. The most rabid lesbian feminist starts twisting her pigtails and becomes a traditional woman to be saved. Okay? Suddenly they deserve all the protection that men have. They're not the ones picking up the slack, you know. I think a lot of women perceive a society in crisis and are rethinking where they wanna be in that crisis, right? And part of that is perception part of its reality. One of the, one of the interesting things about female hypergamy is that the more successful that a woman gets, the smaller her mating pool. The more successful a man gets, the much larger his mating pool. So we have an asymmetry, right? And as women have become more and more successful in our society, largely due to laws and other things that advantage them, they become more and more successful. They can't marry up. They can't find men to marry up and women marry up and men marry down. So they perceive a crisis and they go looking for a way to solve it in a very instinctive way, which is to get men to solve their problem, which is what women generally do and require. And we're only too happy to oblige by returning us to patriarchy. Yeah, restoring the patriarchy. One man at a time. One man at a time. What's interesting is I've been doing coaching in programs for many years for men. And women always say to me, do you do this for women too? Do you do a track for women or this kind of thing? And no, I don't because number one is not my place. But number two, you don't need to coach the women that's my take. You need to coach the men. That's right. And then, because the women reflect the men of the society. So you concentrate on the men and there's a reflection gonna happen. And that's why we have this discord right now because men are not men today. And they don't have any, there's nothing for women to grab onto. There's nothing, there's no gravitas in modern men. So they're playing both roles. The feminine part and the masculine part because where's the men? And the men are saying, like you said earlier, men are saying, where's the women? And we give up. We give up. We're not having sex anymore. We're not going into this world. And women are concentrating on the things, on the fringes like this. So women today, true beauty is rare, but it exists in women. Women are not beautiful. They're beautified nowadays with body renovations and all this kind of stuff, right? They're beautiful. Sulfters and stuff. Yeah. And so we're starved for true feminine grace and we're starved for true masculine grace. And that's what I've been saying most of the time. One additional thing, because you brought up something interesting. So I watched feminist movies, so you don't have to. And I watched one called Tango. And it had an excellent conflict in it. In Tango and other classical dances, men lead the fucking dance. There is no classical dance where women lead, period. And it's actually one of the hardest things when you go to a dance student and say, you wanna learn how to do the salsa or something. The hardest thing is they have to have old women, older women in the dance studio to tell the younger women that they can't lead the dance. And many of them walk out. And they can't suborn themselves. So in this feminist movie Tango, this becomes the focus of a conflict between a feminist who loves a Tango dancer who looks amazingly like you. He's a ballet guy. Yeah, he's a ballet guy. And she can't let herself be led by this man. And the compromise at the end of the movie, this metaphorical compromise becomes, she lets him lead her, but she sings the music into his ear. And they come to a compromise sort of in that way, right? And it shows this feminist notion that the woman wants to control even the rhythms of the dance, right? Men have to just simply say, and I've had to tell many women this in dancing, you cannot lead. Your job is to be a multiple device. And if the dance goes well, all the credit will go to you. If it goes badly, it goes to me. Since I'm responsible, you have to do what I tell you to do, or we can't dance. But it's funny how in this simple physical act, you find that the disobedience of women, the inability of women to submit to a man, even on the simple thing, is so hard that women will walk out after paying for lessons. Yeah, I've seen women walk out of the 22 convention, not this year, but last year and the year before. Women, a couple of women, not a lot. We're talking like two or three or four last year. They got so irate, usually with Coach Greg, Coach Greg Adams, occasionally someone else would inspire her to walk out. But he in particular is the champion of getting women to walk out. One woman, actually, I walked on the hallway and I caught her walking out and I was able to talk her back into going. I got a little Zan Parion in me, Sidusi's woman. But some of them I couldn't say, but they just walk and I'm like, I got lost cause, hopeless, goodbye. But yeah, there's a lot of disobedience. I want to shift gears a little bit to a concept I made, to start a little debate on the panel here. And it revolves around the issues of accountability and responsibility. Do women have agency? Do they have accountability? Is it just, I think Zan hit the nail in the head that there's a reciprocal relationship between men and women in our culture right now. That sounds like common sense, but sincerely, men are mostly a bunch of beta losers at this point. And women then are a bunch of degenerate skanks. And this behavior is shifted, like AJ said, into the bell curve. There's a huge chunk of women that are just nothing, that are a fraction of the quality woman that their grandmother and great-grandmother was. Their great-grandmother could cook a huge dinner, they can't even boil an egg, literally. So my question to the panel is, it revolves around slut makers and a self-made slut. A self-made slut like a self-made millionaire is a concept they created in 2021. Cause I had certain tradcons, traditional conservatives. They like to accuse men and pickup artists universally, not in like a specified case, of being slut makers and this kind of thing. And I get on a surface level why they would say this, right? You go out, you have sex with 150 women, you're a slut maker. In my own experience of women in the dating marketplace, a lot of the girls that I end up hooking up with in Orlando and around Florida, these girls had notch counts 30, 40, 50 deep. And I was number, you know, 37. So it's like if this girl by conventional standards is a promiscuous, loose woman, how am I responsible for that? Am I a slut maker if this girl already had sex with 37 men? Which one of those men made her a slut? Maybe one guy broke her heart, but really the common denominator is her. I mean, maybe her father was obviously a failed earner mother, but. So I guess the question to the panel is, are sluts self-made or are men slut makers? What is the relationship between these two things in women's agency and responsibility for their own life in our current climate and our current environment? Open to the panel. I think they're both. I mean, we can't just say that. I mean, if a woman has sex with 150 guys, that's 150 slut makers. And the woman is obviously responsible for spreading her legs that many times. But it's like, okay, so there's a, who's the guy that had sex with a tranny? This is important. I got his name. This is important. His name is John Tranny Lifestyles. John Tranny Lifestyles. So it could be the same argument. He had sex with a tranny. Several. Several? Fine. He enjoyed it. He's admitted it in writing, by the way. Fine. Okay, so he had sex with 100 trannies. He enjoyed it. It was great. But he is saying, listen, they're beautiful to me. And if I don't have sex with them, someone will. Yeah. Yes, that's fine. But if I don't do it, someone else will. So if the logic, if the logic is. I'm looking for the logic. Keep going, keep going. If the logic is that the only person that's responsible, it takes two to have sex. I mean, if it's not just, if there's no slut makers, and it's just the slut itself, then there's no tranny fuckers. There's just the tranny itself. Okay, so, wow. Holy shit. I want to add some context. Clearly there is. I didn't think anyone would clap. Please add context. Clearly there is some men who are at the upper end of kind of sociopathic behavior. They knock up women on purpose, and then they run away. I've heard of local law enforcement having to deal with some of these guys that have knocked up so many girls that cause so many problems with childless, these single mothers and stuff. It's just wild. So you have men who are extremely broken and damaged. That guy's probably an example of that. That's not all men, that's not most men, but there's some men. And I think that's always been the case. It's like sexually criminal activity, but not legally. So yeah, I mean there's some men who are. It's like what degree of degeneracy. Yeah, let me try to address it this way. So your question. Police basically don't prosecute women for engaging in prostitution. They basically go after the pimp. They put the pimp in jail, right? So what we have here, what you're talking about is a woman who's self-pimping. She's her own pimp. So she's as responsible as any pimp that we put in jail for prostitution, right? And do we prosecute the Johns? Absolutely prosecute the Johns, right? But not as much as the pimp, right? So the self-pimp slut, did I just create a new man-sphere concept? Yes, yes. The self-pimp slut is more responsible for her own body and her own sluttiness than the Johns that she uses for her own gratification. And that's a principle of law that we respect everywhere. Let me take a social perspective of this. This is one or the other. I've always wondered who leads sexuality, sexual norms? And if you go back throughout history, like you were saying the other day yesterday, prostitution is the oldest business in the world. So there's always been a segment of women that probably willingly have been processing themselves. Maybe they're just, they're hypersexual. They can do that job. I'm sure it has its damages, as all things do, being in that industry, but they'll do it. Yeah, and throughout most of history, up until we get to the 19th, 20th century, even if we have sexually more liberal societies, there's still this kind of expectation that you keep it on the down low. People still get married relatively young. Human beings have sex drive. Is it realistic to expect a woman to never have sex until she gets married when she's 29? I don't think so. It's not realistic. Same thing for men, it's not realistic. But we finally arrived at the 20th century and we have the pill, right? Yeah, the pill, and suddenly we remove consequence from sex. Right. And the consequence of birth, of the continued child, that was a real consequence that warrants men and women off of sex. Like, it is because you have nine months that you're knocked up and you need to be physically protected, and now I'm responsible, or hypothetically a way for a child. And most men, even guys who are very sexually active, if you have a kid, it's like, okay, I had a kid. Shit, like, do you want money? Like, now I have something that's gonna, I have this consequence to deal with. I'm probably gonna be put on, you have to go up to bat for it at some point. I can't just ignore it, or maybe you can, but that's pre-sociopathic. But we have the pill, okay? So now, pregnancy's just not happening anymore. We can fuck, we can fuck. Oh, nothing bad's gonna happen, great. And women are obviously really into this, and there's a whole bunch of propaganda, and whether it's authentic propaganda, whether it's manufactured, whether it's communist, Marxist, whatever, there's all this propaganda that sex is good, we shall be fucking all the time, and we do that. We do that for 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, we do that for about 50 years. But then we find out that, you know what, removing the consequences of sex entirely, and allowing women to fuck each other, men and women to fuck each other indiscriminately, it does weird things to sexual marketplace, right? We incentivize harsh behavior on both ends, and people start getting married less, they start reproducing less, it creates this culture of selfishness, and then sex itself becomes, it becomes a right. I have a right to sexually enjoy myself, like that's my new human right as a woman, like I should be allowed to sexually enjoy myself, and not get judged for it, I also. So now there's no consequence to behavior at all. But men again, go along with this, because men like to fuck, right? It's like, I get to fuck as many women as possible, I'm not gonna get pregnant. Yes, fucking great. Yeah, but then 50 years later, we're like, shit, this actually turned out really bad. Yeah, why? For all the things we just talked about, we took all the polarity out the marketplace, between men and women, we're fucking confused now, it's a tranny fuckfest shit show massacre, nobody knows and understands anything more about biology, it's fucking madness, it's absolute madness, you actually try to logically even try to understand it, it's just constant cognitive distance that this is actually believed, and people are propagating this, and going along with it, trying to forcefully transition children. I was watching a video yesterday on Twitter of two fucking dudes who I guess are women trannies, and one guy had a fucking beard, and he's dressed like a girl, and they're talking about makeup. We're literally living like hell and heaven are layered on top of each other and upon earth, and like hell is winning right now, like we are in hell, that is absolute chaos. Evil is chaotic and confusing, that is evil. But I would, if I had to blame one thing, I would say the pill kinda did it. We decided to play God and take control of our own biology, and suffer for nothing, for none of our choices, and look where it got us. I concur, I think the pill was absolutely detrimental to the society, to any, to the world. The Catholics, the Orthodox Christians, they were right. Yes. Interfering with reproduction, removing God's plan for us, removing that God-given order, they were right. All the jokes that got made about Christians and the criticisms towards religion way back so many years ago, like the Catholic Church, they don't believe in birth control, can you believe that? That's horrible. Well, those countries that are still predominantly Christian, they're having children, they have functional societies, they don't have fucking triannies trying to fuck kids. What do we got? We have men that can get pregnant. Sure. I wanna open this up to questions soon, so if you guys have questions, like previous panels, you can go to the microphone. Sex is, sex was, the gift that God gave was the ability to create life, and you can only do that through sex, and then we bastardized it and removed the core, the creative, like the glory that it is supposed to be, and we just took it away with the pill, and now that creative glory of making a child is aborted now because you wanna go to school and there's so many things you wanna do, and this is gonna screw up your education. It goes back kinda last thing with rights, where like, so the greatest gift throughout human history, like the greatest gift that does exist is that you can have a child, you can conceive life, you can, life can literally come from you. It's crazy. The modern woman, the greatest gift is that she can kill. Yeah. You have supplanted God, so your greatest right, the thing that is foremost in your mind that is the ultimate power is that I can end life at any time that I choose. I deserve to have that. So murder has become what you worship, like you need to have that control. And I think it's important to point out that when men kill children in the womb in the state of Texas at least, we give them a death penalty, and we kill them by lethal injection. Women are allowed to do something freely by right that men get the death penalty for, which is probably one of the greatest examples of asymmetries in treatment of the law between men and women that exist. Well, it's very religious what women are doing. They're sacrificing their own children, and that's what they used to throw them in volcanoes, and now they have them suck out of them. It's the same thing. It's very religious, and they're very religious to the state. Women, typically. And also, I think this discussion also points out something that other writers have tried to solve by something called archaofuturism. And it's the idea of how do you preserve traditional social structures in a world of technological change that alters the social incentives in these profound ways. And I prefer the term paleofuturism, right? Because it takes us a little further back. And in a paleofuturist world, the question will be given modern technologies of reproduction and sexuality, virtual reality, artificially intelligent girlfriends, and all these things that are being bought and actually being sold in large numbers today. In a world of this disordered sexuality, how do we preserve paleo social structures that are good for us? And so the solution that I don't have, I call paleofuturism, yeah. I like it. Sam, before we go to the questions, do you have thoughts on the original question that I proposed 10 minutes ago? It's been pretty fun back and forth here. Not really, I'm listening to everybody and I'm learning some new terms. Yeah. That I haven't heard before. Did you have a question? Yeah. So just to kind of throw a bit of a curveball and encourage your rigorous understanding of the opposition, in any of your versions of an ideal world, would there be any aspects of modern social change when it comes to women and feminism you would support or keep? And if so, what would they be? Hmm. I hate feminism with passion. I want to completely abolish it, like all of it. I want it gone from society completely. So what will we keep out of that? You have to do a deep dive on what women in America at least were experiencing in like in 1800s. So I know things are not perfect. Maybe some domestic violence laws, changes like that. Those are far from perfect today. Those are heavily biased against men. False accusations can go very far in ruining a man's life in that area. So you have to be more of a history buff, I think, to dig through that. But by far, 99% of what feminism has, I think, fought for has been absolute garbage. It's been a lie at every step. They've hidden behind a lot of slogans and manipulations and propaganda that have been super effective. Like they're excellent PR and marketers and stuff. But by far, it's just extremely toxic. I think feminism is the most toxic hate and supremacist movement alive in America today. And it has complete domination over the culture. Agreed. There's nothing that I would hold on to from feminism. I can't think of anything. Maybe if anyone would like to haul or a right or something that I'm... What about access to education? That's the only thing I think of. You know, I think we live in such a... Well, I know it depends on what my husband would want, but the access to education is so antiquated. Education is so antiquated anyway. I would say if the founding fathers of university were to be resurrected and have a weak past to hang out, they would say, what the hell are you still doing with university? You mean you can get your information from a phone for free? Or there's, you know, I created a meetup years ago and the amount of information that I learned just from having highly intellectual people come together. Voluntarily to discuss things. I think education is harmful anyway. And yeah, you know what? I'll change my, no. Women should not have access to education. At least in the sense of it is now, all you're doing is I always tell people here, let me save you $100,000. Repeat of 100,000 times, men are bad. And that's about all you're gonna learn in school. That's what they're pumping out, is to hate men, hate Western society, change the names of everything, get rid of statues. And I don't wanna spend any money to educate anyone to do that. And women are more emotional, so they fall for it a little bit more, although men are falling for it, hence the man-sphere has to come and do-do-do-do, save the day. So the audience member who just, you know, proposes though, you mentioned, you can go to the mic. You mentioned, you know, access to education. It also brings to mind access to work, women entering the workplace. I think by far that's just been a huge disaster. And so should there be legal mechanisms to completely stop women from pursuing work at all? Probably not. I'm not in favor of using the government to use tyrannical force, but women entering the workplace, independent of that issue, I think has been a disaster. It's atrocious. You know, you can't even, a man can no longer even support because there's so much, there's so many workers in the workplace that a man can't even support a family on his own. And then you just have two parents that, you know, if they're even together and having a family, right? If they're not men getting pregnant or some shit, they can't even go out into the world and earn enough money to keep their family afloat. And then the kids, no one's at home to take care of the kids and no one's at home to take care of the home and the family and everything else. It's just, that whole women entering the workplace has been nothing but a shit show, 100%. I can't believe I'm actually gonna argue for this one part, because I'm not pro-feminism at all, but some of the Russian women or Eastern European women I've met, they came from a culture that actually promoted technical education so they could survive the remnants, you know, what happened in communism. And in my experience with the ones that at least have come to America, that they're actually particularly feminine and submissive and traditional. So I don't know, I hadn't thought about it more before, we just, the question was brought up, but that's the one part that I don't know if I'd wanna deny someone the ability to support themselves. This is a big question, because I found this interesting, I saw this on, it was on Twitter, it was on like a few sort of like a trad con, female counts I follow, or just, whatever you wanna call it, women's self-improvement, where they were posting something along the lines of realizing that the push for women in the workplace a hundred years ago was just to create more taxpayers. And it was like, it was interesting, like that's not a new point that's been made, maybe I've been asked here, but it was like to serve girls, like realizing this the first time, like wait, like if men work and women work, it's just sort of more money for the governments, more for the IRS, like was this really about empowering me? Maybe, maybe not, but I mean to sort of deconstruct society, like you have to consider that substructurally, like modern capitalism is built and just both sex is working. Like it's incentivized, feminism has been incentivized, like women, if you look at the statistics for university education, higher education, there's more women getting educated today than men. Like men are failing by a lot, like women have out-performing men, like they've got women got everything they wanted more, like you've got all of it. So now it's just nitpicking that you know in the field of theoretical physics, how come there's not more women of color, or just some bullshit, like you can't find anything wrong anymore, and if you look at, let's say like, this is generic, like the Nordic countries, so you have places like Sweden, Norway, where they have a lot of social services for women, you got four months of paytime off if you get birth, you have free childcare, you have all these things available to you and make life for women very comfortable. Their job distribution skews hard towards a male-female mix of women picking basically traditional girl jobs and men picking masculine jobs. So even when they tried to level the economic playing field, but this is a small country, homogenous population, higher IQ, even when they did all that, they just found out that people fall biology. So like is there a sweet spot where you could? I guess my point is that I've read those studies, or read about those studies, it's just a question of, do you hold people back, do you restrict them? Like I had studied engineering, so I was in a class of 100 people and there was five girls, but they weren't restricted from being there, and they weren't restricted from employing, and I think half of them got married before they got, before they graduated, so. But I just, it's one of those things, when we start talking about dialing back feminism, where does it stop? Because even before feminist movement, women could own property, this apartment would like to take away the vote and take away the property rights, but that's not where it's, it wasn't where we were before it started either, so I don't think it's so clear. If I can add something to- You need to change what the culture values, not to remember Anthony, but it's like, if I had to make that really simple, like change what the culture values, like does your culture value work, or does it value family? Like if I was to make it, I'm being reductionist, like to make it really simple. Yeah. If your culture values family, that's first for you. Like we can agree that culture's built on strong families, it's built on people having children, then that's going to incentivize our behavior to get married younger, to have children, to be able to have kids, to orient ourselves towards making that happen, and our values will probably array themselves as such. If our culture's only oriented towards work and material success and how much money you make, you have no incentive to make the world better in the future. It's just about the now and the present. I think if the culture's still valued family, a lot of the issues would go away. Absolutely. Any sort of force, which I think is what I saw on the Eastern European and Russian, that's just my impression. So I want to add something to this real quick. So I understand what you're asking, what you're saying here, and I'm generally with you. I'm very averse to using political force, unless it's necessary and proper to prevent women from even going to engineering school. You might have a couple in there that really want to do it. It's a real passion, they want to do it, whatever. So I'm very averse to using government to stop them from doing that. The question is, what happens over the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years, 60 years, when a couple generations go by, is there a slippery slope? These Christians, like AJ Cortez was talking about, would warn about this stuff when I was a kid in the 90s, and they're even earlier before that, before I was born. This is gonna happen, that's gonna happen. They're gonna get this, they're gonna get gay marriage, and they're gonna get, they're gonna have to get kids, and their tranny fuckers are gonna fuck kids, and we'll guess what's happening. They're chopping tits and balls off kids, like in America. So there's like slippery slopes that are really hard to see in the future, and trying to predict things multiple generations down the line is extremely difficult. So I don't know if there's a perfect answer, and sometimes you just have to kind of wing it as a society. I think AJ hit the main point, is that it's gotta be what are we promoting? Yeah, that too. I'm right, that what we value is what we got. Like we're in this mess because we don't value a family, as a country. No, great, Jeff. Well, I for one will be the one on the panel who will stand up for authoritarianism. I'm opposed to all forms of liberalism, all forms of liberalism. Left liberalism, free market liberalism, classical liberalism, libertarian liberalism, any form of liberalism. But and the reason I say that is because the only thing that matters is the moral quality of the authority. That's true if you're in a democracy, an aristocracy, a monarch. If the moral quality of the authority is good and you have terrible laws, they won't be misused against you. If you have really good laws and you have an awful authority, the good laws will be used against you. All that matters is the moral authority, of moral status of the authority. And I think it's quite proper for a community to set social norms, standards and social norms for the behavior of its members. And it's perfectly just for government to determine what those ends are. And historically, all governments have prioritized the creation of new citizens and new members of the community and in fact have oriented the entire public sphere so that it is conducive to families and the raising and rearing of young. A private sphere was allowed and was even fostered in some cases for other activities which are not appropriate for families and children. But I think it's perfectly appropriate for the authorities and government to create a safe space in public for children and for mothers to raise their children. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Guys, we gotta wrap up real quick. Going on the panel. Where can people find you on the internet? Learn more about you. I'm at zanperian.com. If you want a copy of my book, I sign them and send them free in the mail to you. You just cover the shipping alabastergirl.com. Jeff? You can find me at my sub-stat, jeffyounger.substack.com. There you'll find long form pieces, mainly railing against the enlightenment and figuring out how we can make this compromise between traditional society and technology. You can find me on YouTube at 21Studios. Find me on the App Store, search 21University. Find me on Twitter at BeechMuscles. Find me on Instagram at BeechMuscles65. And pretty much just search BeechMuscles on Google. You'll pull up all my accounts. So obviously you can find me on Twitter, AJA, I'm just going to court test. Just look for Ajak, you can find me on Instagram. Same handle. Also find me on the website, courtest.site in the newsletter, which is where I go into subjects in depth and can talk without getting myself banned off the internet. And obviously you can find me here as well with all you gentlemen and ladies. YouTube, Jennifer Molesky. That's the only place that I'd like to send people. Okay. That's it for this episode of the Right Man Group and that's it for 21 Summit 2022. Thank you, boys. 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