 Live from Austin, Texas, it's theCUBE. Covering OpenStack Summit 2016, brought to you by the OpenStack Foundation and headline sponsors Red Hat and Cisco. And welcome back to Austin here at the convention centers. We wrap up our coverage of the OpenStack Summit 2016 along with Stu and Brian. I'm John Walls and gents, before we bring the curtain down here, we've heard three days from a lot of people, from a lot of different brands and a lot of walks of this community. We've heard their takeaways. Where are you guys on this, on this one-time phenomenon, now very much a practical concept or an applied concept? Stu, what do you think about OpenStack and what have you picked up this week? Yeah, so we talk about the progress that's happened. Six years seems like a long time, but we understand in technology waves, it's really a short time. And I think the community should be really excited and have that humble brag about what they've done in this relatively short period of time. In the time that I've watched OpenStack since the beginning, but I've been to a few of these summits, we've gone from kind of the building of it to really putting the solutions out. You're starting to see people talk about OpenStack can be used in a lot of different consumption models. Some of those seem to be simpler than others and some big use cases. NFV was a big takeaway here. Containers maturing in the ecosystem is there. And I really liked how we kind of dig into how OpenStack's fitting into that multi-cloud world. Really OpenStack is the on-premises piece of what a real hybrid cloud could be or what Wikibon we call true private cloud. So the difference, of course, is public cloud has the agility, the flexibility and the simplicity that IT hasn't had. There's a good light, Tom Holland who had talked about networking and said, we're trying to fix some of the sins of IT. I had a line to talk to the Rackspace guys. We need to get IT out of doing this stuff. They really, they kind of suck at. It's like, there are people that know how to build data centers well and most companies aren't that. There's kind of a line that I look at in the sand and say, you need to understand the skill sets to understand what your business is. If you were a digital software company there's certain set of skills that you need. If you are a typical enterprise that are just consuming standard, you used to buy package wrap software in the past. There's certain things that you'd be able to say, hey, I should just be able to get a SaaS application or to have it as a service. So OpenStack, where it fits in the overall ecosystem I think is getting a little bit clearer. And so I'm buoyed by how things are going. Brian? I think I came into this week a little bit skeptical about OpenStack, not holistically, but the last couple of years have been a little bit of a roller coaster ride. We've seen some transitioning communities coming over towards OpenStack, some former VMware people trying to figure it out. We've seen a lot of companies trying to figure out if they can make sense of open source as a whole. This week was encouraging. There's a lot of energy from the community. Obviously there's growth, but it's encouraging to see we've got more deployment models, more ways that customers can consume it. We've seen more and more customers who are being outward and open that they're using OpenStack to help them on this digital transition. And I think in general, there's much less skepticism about how is this gonna work and what's going on. We had a number of people both on and off camera who told us, you know, people were worried that anybody was gonna make any money. They felt very confident that we're sort of at a tipping point of where we're gonna start to see all this investment from vendors and the community start to become profitable and commercialized. So I think I walk away a lot more positive from this week. I walk away feeling that the community is starting to move in a more positive direction. And I think it's going to be kind of an inflection point. I think they're going to figure out where it's going to go. Is it going to be Telco and NFV, Dominate, is Enterprise going to be equally weighted? Those are going to be fun things to watch over the next six months to a year. Yeah, the fact that both of you guys, you've been here a time or two. You've been around the block with regard to OpenStack. It seems like, at least if I'm hearing you're right, it's gone from, I think I can too, I know we can kind of environment. At least there's a growing sense of confidence, monetization is here. And then you look at the partners that are involved here and the people that picked up on this, that it's a real deal. Stu, is that accurate? Yeah, it's our job to try to synthesize what's going on. Two years ago, it was kind of, the momentum's there. Not quite too big to fail, but enough people and enough resources being thrown at by a large enough community that was there. Last year, it was kind of the red flags of all at least been identified and we have the past to get things going. And now, getting past the moving, the building of things and rolling things out, the execution side of things. And we'll see how it monetizes. I mean, a big question we've still had is, where does OpenStack specific make dollars? And where does OpenStack just permeate into the ecosystem and becomes part of the piece of it? We were talking to one company that said, you have something that's open and maybe nobody makes money. It goes free and it gets out there and it can be very important. And think about where Java went. Sun made Java tremendous to the ecosystem, but didn't make them stay around. And so there's different ways as to how Open Source fits into the community. There's a whole lot of companies, both from the startup standpoint and the stalwarts in IT, that are leveraging OpenStack, part of that community and moving things forward. Brian, there's a lot of discussion about speed, obviously in this space and getting things done. They have a distribution schedule. It's pretty aggressive in some respects. Every six months they come up with new releases, what have you. Is there a clash at all just as going forward between those who want to accelerate that change and the implementation of that into the enterprise? And how do you settle that? Is that just the maturity of a market too that you kind of come to a natural rhythm or is that a big challenge going forward for these folks? Well, change is always a challenge in technology because it's always a little bit harder than you think it's going to be and you're always a little more optimistic than maybe it's ready to be. But I think at the end of the day, the big things to me are a couple of macro things. Number one is the mobile world is moving and growing faster than sort of the fixed desktop world and so forth. So there's an expectation that things are going to move fast, things are going to be available 24 by seven. That to me is huge. And the other thing is, what I heard more and more was, what OpenStack is about is less about kind of replatforming the old, which was about going slow, about managing risk, about those sort of things. And this is really about trying to make your business more ready for these digital environments, which has to go fast. Nobody, in the business world, nobody's going to wait for you to sort of catch up. Your competition's going to outflank you. You've got to keep up. So I think there will be a natural sort of rhythm of how fast these will happen. But like I said, we're also seeing more options that are out there. We're seeing cloud providers that are offering this. We talk to Rackspace, we talk to some others, talk to ZeroStack. They're trying to be part of that thing that says, hey, if you want to go fast, we're ready for you. And then we had Cisco and Red Hat and some others who go, if you want to build this yourself and work at that pace, great, we've got an offering for you as well. So I think those things will naturally work themselves out. But I think at the end of the day, there's really nothing advantageous in business to be going slower when your competition can go fast. Sure. John, if I could just build on that, because there's kind of two pieces here. On the one hand, we said to really be successful in OpenStack, if you're going to kind of do the whole OpenStack, you need to do something big. This should be something important and get the buy-in. And I always look at how big of a chunk and how big of a bet do you need to do something. And that could be a little bit daunting to some. On the other hand, we've got the new consumption models that are lowering the friction and allow me to just leverage it and get my job done. Maybe I'll even think about the fact that it's OpenStack. We talked to ZeroStack today and in some ways they look like a hyper-converged appliance, but their messaging is that they've got the ease of use and operational model of the public cloud, like AWS. And it's not until the second meeting that somebody says, oh, and underneath here is OpenStack. So I had actually said last year in talking to some startups, you know, I feel OpenStack is going to be successful when we start seeing lots of solutions that get out there. And it's not until you dig into the details that components of OpenStack are in there and we're starting to see some early indicators that that could happen. And it could be like Linux did in the past, you know, permeate the ecosystem without having to be, you know, OpenStack as the thing. I know we had a great week here. We talked about it for those of you who might have seen our day three preview. You heard just a great discourse on the outstanding selection of barbecue here in the Austin area, amongst other highlights of the social scene. But for the schedule for you two, I know EMC world's coming up next week, but Brian, give me a little rundown of your calendar here over the next three, four weeks and what you're gonna be up to. Yeah, so the next, a lot of travel will be at EMC world. We're gonna do a little bit of work, maybe over at Interop as well on the Cloud Track Chair over there. So, but heavy on EMC world next week. You know, the Cloud Foundry Summit is coming up. We'll be having some coverage there from a research perspective. DockerCon's coming up in June. We'll be at Red Hat Summit. Probably make a stop at Velocity Conference in between those two because it's on the West Coast and we're out there. So a lot of focus on, you know, we're gonna walk away from here, which is open infrastructure. You know, next week will be about, you know, the transitional business models of EMC and Dell and then about a month's straight of nothing but open source, you know, infrastructure, containers, cloud native applications. And so us gathering a ton of information for our research but also the CUBE's gonna be at all those events as well. Yeah, still no rest for the weary, right? Yeah. You're pounding the pavement as well. Absolutely. And all those stops are probably more. Yeah, but Brian and I get to, you know, stop at home real quick each at our respective places before. We'll be together in Vegas for the EMC world stuff. Well, he's out at DockerCon. I'm actually gonna be at the Nutanix.next conference, which is also in Vegas. And then we'll, you know, sync back up for the Red Hat Summit towards the end of June. I've got some analyst events in between where you kind of dig in deep as to where some of the technologies are. From my standpoint on the research standpoint, we've got the update coming for Wikibon's server sand research. So that was kind of, you know, our work that kind of laid out what we think is hyperconverged is the first instantiation of it but it's our umbrella for where kind of compute and storage are coming together. We've kind of called it, you know, the headlines, the death of the storage arrays, we know it. It'd be interesting to see EMC world will have a lot of discussion on that kind of technology. I've also been digging into just that whole cloud storage standpoint has been making a lot of momentum. I wrote an article last year and I said, you know, the most successful, you know, storage startup that's doing billions of dollars in storage a year is actually Amazon web services, who not you think of as a storage company. So different ways of consuming storage is something, you know, we're trying to understand. So yeah, lots going on on the research side. You know, Brian's been pumping out a ton of great research. So there's pieces of it you can see on silkenangle.com. Reach out to us if you've got questions, if you're seeing a title and want to find out more, you know, we're happy to help. And, you know, of course theCUBE keeps us hopping. In addition to Brian and me, you know, there's many other shows going on in between the rest of the team. We've got a John Furrier, Jeff Frick and Peter Burris are all out at an Oracle event right now in Las Vegas. I know Dave Vellante actually gets a week when we've got two events that he's not on the road, which is a rare thing, but he'll be at EMC World. He got a week off? Many shares things. Dave never takes time off. He's probably on the phone right now or watching us as we speak. My phone's not buzzing just yet, but yeah. And some thank yous to hand out to because obviously this can't get off the ground without the sponsorship help on one side. And the great crew support that we have as well here. Yeah, so I'll take that just because, you know, once again, the community's phenomenal here. The foundation, you know, it not only helps us with the set here, but you know, helping some of the great keynote speakers, engaging us with the ecosystem. Big thanks to our anchor headline sponsors, Red Hat and Cisco and additional sponsorship from Hewlett Packard Enterprise, NetApp with the solid fire team and EMC. So phenomenal there. And yeah, wow, I'm John, first of all, thank you. It's been great, you know, new addition to the team. Thanks for having me. Appreciate you coming on, you know, Brian, it's good to see you again. Guys behind the scenes here, it's, you know, Greg, Brendan and Chuck, you know, real always good. Sam, you know, our... We can't forget Sam the Lionheart. What was Sam's new title? Barbecueber. Sam the Barbecueber. Barbecueber. So Sam... And you know, Cast of Thousands helping out with social, online, everything else. So, you know, it's a community that we're happy to be a part of. That's great. Well, good. Well, thank you again both for making me so much at home here and thank all of you for watching. Here on theCUBE, we wrap up our coverage here at OpenStack on now to EMC World in Vegas and we'll see you there next week. Until then, have a good one.