 Hello everyone, I'm Ulrik Silva and welcome to the first episode of Let's Talk about Social Inclusion. Our speaker today is Linia Bruno from Stockholm University, who will explore with us economic abuse from child and youth perspectives. This conversation is based on research that was published in our Open Access Journal, Social Inclusion, by the person invited today. Hi Linia, welcome to our episode. Hi, thank you so much for having me. So the first question for you would be, why is this topic so important? Well, to my knowledge, this paper is the first to research review on economic abuse focusing on child and youth perspectives. And it's important, I think, both from a social justice perspective and also because of this striking gap in the literature. And why is economic abuse important? Well, there are many studies focusing on this issue from victimized women's perspectives. But I think that if we, there is still, you know, it's not so established as other kinds of abuse. And I think that when these systematic failures to recognize economic abuse as a form of violence contributes to a continuation of abuse. Of course. And when you started to write on this piece, so what were you hoping to find? What was, can you explore a little bit more the gap? Well, I knew I had a pretty understanding of that. It would not be so many studies on children and young people, but I was actually, I expected to find more still. And so this review, it has this themes and economic abuse directed towards children and in young people's intimate relationships and in the context of unrelated violence and also economic abuse in relation to parenting with discussions on implications for dependent children. So these are the themes in this review and I found both quantitative studies from very diverse contexts, but not as much as I expected. Of course. And this is a review paper that you published. What are the most important findings or elements that you would highlight after publishing this piece? I don't know, should I say something perhaps about what economic abuse is considered to be or is it, you know, because it can be is a type of intimate partner violence and it can be exerted in many ways, like for example, stealing or destroying the victim's property, excessive control, demanding receipt, denying access to bank accounts or preventing the victim from seeking education or paid work, demanding the victim to commit fraud, not contributing to household expenses and so it can be exerted in a number of ways. And we have quite a lot of research on children's exposure to intimate partner violence, other kinds of violence, but not economic abuse, I think it's a missing piece. And we also have quite extensive body of research on child poverty. So, but not on economic abuse, but about the main findings. I think there was some quantitative studies suggesting that economic abuse had stronger association in comparison to physical abuse, stronger association with child neglect and child delinquency. What I found most interesting was this interviews, qualitative interviews with children. These studies, they were not focusing on on economic abuse but on coercive control and how children were coping with this. And for example, narratives of children talking about how fathers with restraining orders did seek them out and trying to buy contact and to buy information about the mother. And how these children actively resisted this financial control. And one boy explicitly stated that I'm not going to be bought, for example. And my interpretation of this is that one could interpret this as actually economic abuse directed directly towards these children because using money as a means of control, not only towards the mother but also towards children. When trying to buy contact and withholding money that these children are entitled to. You have you have given us some examples of real life situations. So a bit between the research that you found and real life situations. So what I would ask you now is, can you indicate to the researchers out there what comes next in this topic? So what doors does it open for future research? What's left? Well, a lot still. But I think there is also quite some need of clarifications concerning the concept because in these studies, they don't use the same definitions. They use different concepts like financial control, material violence. So they don't use the same concepts. So we need to, it's difficult, of course, to distinguish and to determine when is an unequal relation, when it turns into an abusive relation. So that's always, you know, difficult but more work on that. And also we need to know, I think, more, more studies on experiences of survivors in general, but in particular from from childhood perspectives are needed. Of course, your research shows the tip of the iceberg of these apparently. Can you provide some additional resources about the topic that we discussed today? Well, it depends on what you are interested in specifically. Of course, I know that there's more research done on this topic in USA and in the UK than in the Nordic states and in the rest of Europe, I think. So, but you could view the reference list, read the paper and Google. Of course. I have nothing specific to recommend. If you view the paper, I believe the final references list will provide plenty and enough information for for future research. Thank you, linear this episode is available on the let's talk about social inclusion website on cause you to use YouTube channel, as well as in podcast directories linear. It was a pleasure. Thank you.