 So Patty it sounds like board member heads or vice chair Hedgepets going to join us So we'll just wait for him and then once he's on we'll get rolling and then We'll when Adam joins us. He'll join us All right, if all members of the board could turn their videos on and it is Once we do that, we'll call the meeting to order. So I think we're waiting for Henry. I guess we're ready to get rolling it is 432 like to call the Regularly scheduled meeting of the city center as a design reward to order Want to remind everybody Why we're here in the virtual setting? due to the provisions of the governor's executive orders and 25 20 and n 29 20 which suspends certain requirements of the brown act the designer view will be participating via zoom webinar members of the public can participate in the meeting virtually by logging in to zoom 948 0971 1719 they can also call in via toll-free telephone 877 853 5257 and enter the meeting ID as previously read You can also Find the links on the city of Santa Rosa website on the design review board section in addition The meeting is live streamed on the city's website the city's YouTube channel and on Comcast channel 28 With that being said Patty may I have a roll call, please? Let the record reflect that all board members are present except for board member Sharon who will be here very shortly Excellent. Thanks, Patty So we need to approve the minutes Vice-chair Hedgepath noted that there appears to be a typo on item 8.1 where I closed the public comments 36 minutes after we opened it, but I believe I closed it at 504 p.m Because there were no public comment So we couldn't have closed the public comment before the meeting was over So I think we need to get that changed. Did anybody have any other comments on the the meeting minutes? Seeing none, we'll enter the meeting minutes into the record At this time if there are any members of the public present That would like to speak on items not on today's agenda You may do so now a reminder items not on the agenda that are part of our purview You may do so now looks like we have a raised hand Patty Give me one moment. I'm I'm clicking around as quickly as I can um No worries Tim page is part of the applicant team um So I don't know Mr. Page, I can unmute you if you have a comment that is Not on the agenda, but otherwise we will wait till item 8.1 No, good evening. There's a tremendous amount of background noise when chairman We go speaks. I don't know if it's his audio or someplace else. So just want to park that out My wife is also on a virtual call Nearby so I I've asked her to to be quieter if that helps is this better anybody Okay, sorry about that Such as the times we live in I guess when everybody's at home virtual meetings So not seeing any other public comment. I'll close public comment at this time Item number four for business. This is when we read the statement of purpose from the zoning code zoning code chapter 20 52030 f project review The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards And requirements consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements e.g. City policy statements and development plans That being said, does anybody have a board member report? Hearing none. We'll move to department reports acting Supervising planner triple. Do you have anything for us today? Hey, good afternoon chair and members of the design review board. Thank you for Your service today. We greatly appreciate it especially as we head into a long weekend. So to have a full board is is It's awesome We just have two notes that I wanted to share with you The first is that We are moving We're we're engaging in initial discussions about hybrid meetings And so we want to keep you aware of that We don't anticipate anything happening until mid august But there may be some questions coming out to you about preferences and such So just keep an eye out for those questions and be responsive if you're available Not on vacation The the second thing then too is for the july 15th meeting. We do have a full agenda for that meeting So if you if you do anticipate being absent, please let us know so that we can ensure that We get a quorum checked on early enough and then I'm checking to see Chair there was a question if you had read the governor's order summary Patty wanted to verify that she had gotten that into the minutes Yeah, I heard today or last week. Yes. No, no Yeah Yeah, I read it today. Great. I read this summer's day. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's that's all we have then for department report today And uh chair will turn it back over to you. Thank you Thanks, and I I do have a quick question on The the brown act it is it correct that the the brown act Rules for the virtual stuff that expires september 30th. Is that correct? Well, my understanding is that we're not They they they do expire, but it could also be that the governor could And that before expiration and that is one of the factors that we're taking into account. Yes, excellent Well, thanks so much for clarifying that. I appreciate that. Sure. Um, okay, so End of department reports will go to statements of abstention. Does anybody have a statement of abstention On the schedule item 8.1 today for any reason Hearing none, we will move to item 8.1, which is a public hearing for crown castle relocation project exempt project design review major 1236 cleveland avenue file number dr 20-062 Um, it's a new wireless communication facility. So with that I will turn it over to I believe Planner ross is that correct? For the staff report. Uh, yes, that is correct. Thank you chair weigel Um, I'm going to share my screen and start the presentation for you Oh, wait before we do that. Uh, does anybody have any ex parte disclosure for this scheduled item? Anybody Okay, all right, you're good to go mr. Ross Thank you. Okay. Do you see the Which version do you see the the regular one? Yeah, we see this what looks like appears to be the staff presentation. Okay, excellent. Thank you Um, thank you again chair weigel members of the designer view board. My name is adam ross project planner for the crown castle telecommunication facility located at 1236 cleveland avenue the project itself Includes the removal of an existing Telecommunications facility at 1500 armory drive. There is a that's a clarification In the staff report it references 135 ridgeway It's essentially the same location, but the correct address is 1500 armory drive The project entitlements include a conditional use permit and a major designer view Approval for the placement of an 83 foot tall monopine telecommunications tower It's considered a major telecommunications facility under zoning code section 20-44 And on june 24th 2021 The conditional use permit was approved by the planning commission As part of that approval the planning commission requested that the designer view board consider a condition of approval for a maintenance plan for the For the maintenance of the of the proposed monopine and telecommunications Facility site staff does have some language that we can introduce When the board deems it appropriate The project location is 1236 cleveland avenue in the northeast quadrant of the city Right adjacent to highway 101 Here's the an aerial view of the site the star done denotes the the general location It's in the northeast corner of the existing commercial site Which is coligan water services of sinoma county. They're a Bottle water service company their use will not be affected by this proposed use Otherwise it's surrounded by commercial zoning districts and highway 101 Bit of the project history. It was submitted december 29th of 2020 Uh on february 26th 2021 a notice of application was sent And and at the same time staff requested additional documentation for the purposes purposes of the california environmental quality act That's sequa analysis for the project on may 13th A shot clock was extended to July 1st 2021 via a tolling agreement The shot clock is a regulation set forth by the federal communications commission It limits the time a local agency has to act on a telecommunications application Since and and since that time the applicant has submitted An additional tolling agreement to account for any sort of appeal That should occur for either the conditional use permit or The design review approval or denial Depending on the board's decision tonight And on may 25th the application was deemed complete and again on june 24th The project was the conditional use permit was approved for the project The general plan zoning and zoning for the site is retail and business services. It's um It's uh It's uh It's intended to accommodate retail and business service Enterprises offices and restaurants The general plan doesn't speak directly to telecommunications tower, but it does But it does but the north station center is a stationary specific plan Does call for improved infrastructure such as telecommunication services And the zoning is cgsa That is general commercial station area That is that stationary is that north santa rosa stationary specific plan as you can see it's within that boundary the boundary is here On the site It has been deemed appropriate and compliant with the general plan Land use designation with the approval of the conditional use permit Some of the design guidelines that this project This project brings forward are shown here on the page and is included in the staff report These include the preferred location for utility equipment is in underground volts If it's placed above ground large equipment shall be screened from view and should not be placed in prominent and highly visible locations In this case, they're They are not proposed to be underground. There are a few Infrastructure pieces required that would be fenced in there is a the applicant has initially proposed a chain link fence with slats thrown Provided in between them And staff will kind of will address that towards the end of the presentation in To provide innovative design solutions that minimize visual impacts And so and they should be as small as possible And the minimum height necessary without compromising reasonable reception or transmission In this case the design itself is a is a robust monopine And the applicant will provide a bit more information for you there And the telecommunications facility shall be located and designed to avoid blocking and or substantially altering scenic resources There are no scenic resources, but it does fit in with the trees the tree canopy that is Surrounding the the project site and highway 101 And the antennas are Provided so that future co-location can exist or it can be provided on the site. There are two There are two providers there now And future can be added to this To this telecommunications facility And it does not and as previously stated it does not affect the placement is as far back from the public right of way And does not in Inhibit any of the existing use on the site So here's the site plan Here's the facility this outline is the fence This is the monopine from an image above obviously And it also includes a emergency backup generator for the site and that's some of the infrastructure that was mentioned Here's a close-up of that through your reference Here is some elevation drawings. It shows the monopine As you can see it goes it's it's pretty robust and In its design And it's appropriate for the use and location of the proposed development and choose the goals review criteria And findings for approval As set forth in the framework of design review in that the monopine has been designed at the minimum height necessary to allow for adequate transmission of service For the two wireless providers and the design draws on the natural vegetation of the surrounding area Here's some photo isms on the top left. You'll see Existing and on the right. You will see the proposed version Sorry the proposed monopine As it would look in when installed And the architectural design of the proposed development is compatible with the character of the surrounding neighborhood In that the monopine is integrated to the extent possible with the surrounding mature evergreen trees within the developed commercial area As you can see there are some trees around the site Here's another photo ism the existing and they proposed And the proposed development will provide a desirable environment for its occupants visiting public and its neighbors throughout Through the appropriate use of materials texturing color and would remain aesthetically Appealing and be appropriately maintained that the monopine does include a lush evergreen aesthetic And all pole mounted materials would be painted green to blend in with the structure And here's a photo of existing and proposed from the other side of highway 101 The design and layout of the proposed development will not interfere with the use and enjoyment of neighborhood existing or future neighboring existing or future developments in that the proposed cellular towers would not be a visual nuisance and meet the criteria Required by federal law in the city of santa rosa zoning code Which is and telecommunication facilities under zoning code section 20-44 And here's an image of the Site coverage without and with this is for the at&t Cellular towers again. This is crowned castle who then Leases space on the monopine two providers the two providers currently are at&t and verizon wireless The project did include a A study that shows that it would not be detrimental to the public As required by the FCC and the environmental review for this project includes Categorical exemption, which is a class 3 for new small structures in that a In that a telecommunications tower is considered a small structure Um and part of that review also included an assessment of migratory bird corridors and it concluded that this project As proposed would have no effect Some public comments received it included tracking of the project and there was no overall objection just uh an informed Just uh To be informed as the project moves along There are just a few issues here The chain link fence with the slats doesn't comply with design guidelines per se and the staff is looking to for the drb to provide conditioning of the fence design and planning in the planning commission requests the condition of approval addressing the maintenance of the monopine as I stated earlier in the presentation And with that the planning and economic development department recommends that the designer view board approved by resolution major designer view for the telecommunications facility located at 1236 Cleveland avenue And that concludes my presentation staff's presentation. Again, this is my contact information And there is an applicant presentation as well Thank you planner ross. Um, let's bring it back to the board here. Does anybody have questions of staff? uh, we'll go alphabetical starting with uh board member birch Do you have any questions of staff on the staff report? okay, uh board member mckew Yeah, you're muted All right, not at this time Well, thanks, um board member sharon And uh, I just wanted to apologize for being a few minutes late got stuck in that, uh, Sebastopol traffic bottleneck. So apologies Um, and no questions at this time. Thank you school. Thanks board member wicks questions of staff Yeah, uh, one one quick question, uh, mr. Ross the fencing on the rest of the property. Is it is it chain link fencing or is it It is chain link fencing and it does include some From images provided or viewed It does include a little bit of barbed wire at the top of that fencing. Okay. That's it. Thank you And then board member wolski any questions of staff at this time I think just one it looked like from the plans that the parking stall and the That the northeastern Side of the parking lot might be taken up by the the cell facility and I don't know if that is indeed the case but If that is the case, I'm just checking to see if there's still adequate parking for the use that's there Good Good question. I do believe it is taking up a space. I don't believe that that space is up to current standards and On the initial analysis of this proposal staff determined that the removal of the space At the existing use still is still in compliance with the required parking Thank you Cool, and then I don't have any questions Um So with that uh planter ross, I'd like to turn it over the applicant for their presentation Um, and obviously you're gonna run that for them And uh, so if if the applicant could be granted access to speak and if they could please introduce themselves As they're speaking and we'll roll through their presentation Yes, this is a jason osborne with crown castle and I just want to again Graciously thank mr. Ross for his excellent presentation and again at the planning commission. It was wonderful um I have uh with me today jacob sparks who will be providing a thorough presentation Along with that tim page should we have any questions? From the drb, and then i'm just sort of here is the uh the bridge the gap just to introduce everybody and Certainly can answer any questions that you may have but I can turn it over to jacob at this present time That'd be great. Thanks so much Thanks jason, uh, my name is jacob sparks with crown castle I do want to thank adam again, uh as well and uh, thank you all all board members for um You know taking our hearing today and and being here um And then I'll just running kind of briefly through our presentation Adam did such a a thorough job on his that it's it's a little repetitive on our end But there are a few key things I want to touch on As we go through this So adam if you're ready and go to the next slide Is it all right? Yeah Okay, perfect. I just didn't I wasn't sure if I was coming through on my end apologies I'm ready when you are though adam Do do you not see the the presentation? We see the presentation adam. We just see the first page right correct Uh, okay a snap connection issues last time Yes, give me one minute. I'll try and do it one more time and hopefully it Hopefully it doesn't happen again And also adam worst case scenario there I can read off the statistics that I wanted to touch on like I said majority of the slides kind of hit on the photo simulations and the uh propagation maps that were included kind of covering the existing coverage and lack of coverage if the tower were to Go away so Worst case if we can't get it running smoothly. I can just kind of speak on a few things Great. All right. Do you see the second slide now? Yes, I do. Yes, we have the second slide. Thanks So yeah, obviously while we're here, um seeking approval conditional use permits, um that we actually gained last week from the planning commission and That typo there on the second bullet points where the current structure is located It's actually a 1500 army drive as adam pointed out We are proposing to relocate that structure to 1236 cleveland av In order to maintain the existing coverage that is present today for the surrounding community Um, obviously we want to minimize any adverse visual effects that our post tower could have That's why we've gone with the monopine design And obviously maximize the use of an approved tower to accommodate any new wireless carriers, um in the future A few key statistics statistics here apologies 96 of americans own cell phone. Um, as i'm sure everyone on this call Has one themselves 57 of american homes rely exclusively on their cellular phones And 80 of more or more of all 911 emergency calls are made from wireless devices And now this is that slide if you want to click for a while This is just kind of giving you a broad overview of what we like to call a head net kind of pointing out all devices and um, you know smart city smart car Things that you know that we're trying to connect through our wireless Connectivity and through our infrastructure. Um, just different things that's kind of go into those Resources and and tap into what our towers are trying to provide And here's an overview map of those simulated views that adam shared with you previously Obviously one coming from northwest and the two Southwest and three the northeast up there across 101 And here's that that same view from that perspective number one perspective number two here And then perspective number three And these are also the same maps that adam previously provided Showing this one is showing the existing coverage Of what the current sites Along with the data we had from surrounding towers is showing For Verizon specifically And then what our proposed coverage would look like And i'll add them on this one if you want to toggle back and forth kind of from the previous slide to the Proposed we we like to highlight that as we try to mimic Like I said what the existing coverage is to the best of our ability And then the last slide here Would show if the If the existing tower does go away permanently and the proposed location is not approved the the gap in coverage And here at crown castle, you know, we we abide by all state and federal compliance According to the EPA FAA and FCC Uh per safety standards, we have yearly ground-based inspections structural inspections every three years And we have a network operation center also referred to as the knock that is open 24 7 With 24 7 monitoring monitors all critical systems and response to any network outages that may occur And then as you see here the last slide contact information for myself and tim page as well Cool. Thank you very much jacob for your presentation. We'll go Backwards for the board for any questions of the applicant So board member walski any questions of the applicant? Sorry Yeah, I'm curious to know The staff report and other materials mentioned future Location at the site. I don't know if I have the entire lease area correct, but is is there room for other cabinets for T-mobile or whomever else to join this lease area And let me see. Oh, and I'm also curious. It looks like there's one generator on the site Are both at and t and verizon able to use that same generator And I that's it for me. Thank you So we'll turn it back to you mr. Sparks to answer those questions Yes, thank you. We do have the option. I believe to Expand that compound if necessary to accommodate future carriers and I know on past projects there are Small, I guess you could say equipment cabinets that Carriers tend to utilize in tighter spaces and the current proposed layout does Provide space for one of those smaller cabinets that we typically see And on the generator question generators can be shared between carriers for backup power Thank you Yeah, cool board board member wicks One question about the relocation. Is this a one-to-one relocation or is this a new tower and new New foliage This would be a what I believe you mean by one-to-one We are building Are proposing to build this one and Decommission and dismantle the existing tower. So no no increase in and overall footprint Cool anything else board member wicks good. Okay board member Sharon I have no questions board member mckew I was just curious about the tree And the the how is that? How do you decide the design of that or is that some is that just a standard Tree that you use With when you do these cell towers It is a standard design. We do tend to look at surrounding Surrounding foliage and existing Trees in the area. We do have a few options, but the monopine Is typically the standard as it fits in with most aesthetics with um, you know most projects that we are proposing Okay, thank you Yeah, and john uh, you weren't on the board uh when we had this, but I think I think actually michael was chair and we had a Uh, we had a sample of the leaves. I think uh in in the old room seven there if his memory serves So that was kind of an interesting little thing to look at the leaves and whatnot. I think they also had a sample of the the trunk material or colors something that if memory serves that's it's been a couple of years, but uh Board member birch Yeah, no questions at this time And I just realized I forgot vice chair hedge path on questions of staff and also events But now vice chair hedge back questions of staff and applicant at this time Sorry about that morning. That's okay. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah. No, no worries. No worries Yeah back on the foliage I understand that technology is advancing. There is a lot of these trees turning blue Rather than yellow over time and as I recall in that circle up in room seven We saw foliage. It had it had different variations. It was kind of a A mossy all of dark olive that had some Some yellow overtones to simulate the dying parts But but in a good way, but the comment is to Board member mckew is is that perhaps There's been stabilization. I'm not a big fan of trees that turn blue Or or lose some of their vigor. So That's what's on my mind and Does there come it from the applicant? Thank you So part of that concern Vice chair hedge path is is was also the planning commissions In that, you know turning blue or falling off or What have you so it was um It's kind of kicked to the designer view board to to write that A maintenance of condition for maintenance to make sure that those You know any of those concerns are addressed and and are taken care of Or the you know and even the the the painting the trunk of the monopine even So, um Yeah, just I just wanted to add that Thanks adam um Board members sharing you have an additional question or comment I had a follow-up to board member mckew's question. Um And it's more of an informational one And is for the for the applicant, of course, um, what's the the cost uh the added cost to doing the monopine doing the the tree versus A tower with no adornment Yeah cost compared to uh, the monopine that is proposed as opposed to a a standard monopole um It's roughly 25 30 000 Specifically just because of the branching that goes into it And the engineering that has to go with you know supporting the additional weight load from those branches Okay, so for you know standard, um, silver silver cell tower to Monopine Is about 30 000 25 30 000 Correct. Okay. Thank you And then uh john yet another question Good, it's okay Okay Okay, any and then I don't have any questions of the applicant at this time. So with that We'll bring it back to the board here and uh, I'm looking For a motion potentially from the board As a reminder we can approve deny Or continue to a date certain I believe Are our options on this? And so with that I'll leave it to the board Henry go ahead Henry Yeah, um Maybe a planner ross was going to step in but did you want to open it up to public comment before we made my motion? Yeah, thanks. Sorry about that I forgot my bad But did you have a comment adam? Yes, uh chair wego. Um And I don't know exactly when it's appropriate, but um We do have one staff does have one condition of approval that we know we would we would like um added to the uh the to the resolution um in relation to The removal of the existing tower When the new ones constructed I think we can do that during the friendly amendment process With pretty seamlessly So sorry about the public comment part. I apologize for forgetting that Um, so this time I'd like it open. I'd like to open uh hearing to public comment from members of the public Uh, so recording secretary if we can monitor the participants to see if we have any public comment At this time Thank you chair wego. Um at this time we don't have any raised hands So if anybody would like to speak I think um, I don't know how many people from the public are here But if you would like to speak if you can electronically raise your hand we can give you permission to unmute And then while they're doing that patty, did we have any voicemails? at all I did not receive any voicemails and I don't know if the planner received any voicemails All right, thanks and and chair just to correct for the record. We do need to open a public hearing Uh rather than public comment So public public hearing sorry open public hearing at this time and close public public hearing. Yes, sorry public hearing sure And we still don't have any raised hands Okay, seeing no public comment during the public hearing at this time. I would like to close the public hearing And then we'll bring it back to the board uh for potential motion Should I chime in on a possible motion? Please do okay I'd like to make a motion approving the cell tower Located on Cleveland avenue Short the details here, but the uh, the motion Has in its conversation the question of foliage beyond metal in the proceedings So the motion is a consideration about straight metal And that can either be tossed about tossed out tossed in as we proceed Thank you So hearing that we have a a motion on the table for approval of crown castle File number dr 20 062 wave reading of the text. Can I hear a second? I'll second All right, uh, so with a motion being made and being seconded We'll now just go around the horn here and we'll get comments on the project and any potential friendly amendments Um, and at which time I will take some notes And then we'll circle it up at the end Uh for summary by the applicant and staff So I'd like to start with uh board member Wolski for comments My comments are also to echo what vice chair hedge peth mentioned While there are other redwoods along this corridor This one is kind of on its own. Um, so there's no clustering to Disguise any blue branches. So I'm also concerned about that Thank you. Uh board member wicks any comments? Yeah, I I appreciate, um trying to make a tower a cell tower not look like a tower But I I just don't think they come off very successful and I'm probably the dissenting opinion here, but I Rather see it be a be what it is and be a tower but I I think there's other Architectural things you could do making making it a Not not necessarily like the Eiffel Tower in in paris, but do something creative with the the structure of it and Um, but go ahead and let it be what it is, but don't try to make it look like something. It's it's not and Um, as far as the fencing goes, I I think unless you're going to redo all the fencing on the site I think I think probably matching existing is is the condition that I would Encourage tonight Board member Sharon any comments? sure um I agree with Henry in regards to the fencing matching existing is fine by me. Um, I think other than that things will stick out And in my my view as when these come up Before our board. Um, I am not a fan of the The monopines or the trees or to try and mimic What what is there? Uh, or what could be there? Um, I uh, I I don't mind the industrial look I mean we these are things. These are utilities that we need and we They have to be there. Um, it's like a water tower. It's like, you know power lines Um, you know, I was curious about the the the cost because it's, you know, adding in 25 to $30,000. It doesn't necessarily need to be spent. Um, I You know, I I'm sure then kind of in general seems like Society maybe In the minority of not of not wanting to disguise things like that. Um, I am in favor of just having it be a cell tower you know, it's uh I think that they stick out more than they they uh, they do than they blend in and I think, um, Board member Wolskies comment about not there's no Groupings. Um, it's one of the things about the redwoods. It makes them, you know, they're glorious on their own as a single specimen But as a grouping especially along the highway corridor is great. Um There's also the concern that they're not thriving these days with climate change Who knows how long our redwoods will be in the um center as a plane and along the 101 corridor um, they're all stressed now and The way the things are going it probably won't be around in, you know 30 50 years, but um You know, I I'm I'm fine. Then I understand that that this Fits into the planning guidelines and design guidelines. Um, I am just not a fan of the The fake trees so That's my comment. I do commend the applicant for providing a utility and safety and enhancing safety along the corridor and for You know doing their best to please the public and to blend in So thanks for that. Um, but those are that's my aesthetic and design view Thank you board members Sharon. Uh, we'll go to board member mckay, you know for any comments I tend to I tend to Agree with my fellow board members that I would rather just see the tower than a fake tree And it I don't know how you can it just looks like a fake tree to me And so I mean I I would rather just see the tower And not and not have the tree and I also agree that knows that it's a utility It's something we need we have it's like, you know As has been described elsewhere, you know wires and poles and lamps and all those sorts of things So let's just leave it as a tower and not Just, you know, try to hide it with a fake tree And that's my and in terms of the fencing. I agree to let the fencing match what's there So that would be my preference Thanks, john Board member birch any comments? Yeah, I agree across the board with the comments from The board members who have spoken so far. I'd I'd rather see a bad nose and a bad nose job any day any day I I really would rather just See it for what it is at at grade here. Um, it's a very industrial area. Um It's hard to say what's going to happen with Those areas it's a long college and uh cleveland in terms of housing and other things as time moves on for right now We've got the colligan Lot which is just a very industrial use against the sound wall. So as far as what goes on at grade I don't think that there's much to worry about I've I've long sort of You know, since I've been on the board, I've I've spoken out against monopines and monopalms I I would almost rather have an ironic monopalm than a monopine here just to be just for fun um I'm still disappointed that the cell industry Has not developed and it has not sort of taken the opportunity to create iconic artwork Or architecture as henry mentioned around these structures um You know, I I know cost is a big deal, but there's certainly an opportunity to do something that's placemaking and Creative and fun and and a unique opportunity almost roadside architecture almost like seeing the dinosaurs driving out to Palm springs from la so I'm still, you know, it's bolt-on solution. That would be a great fun opportunity I don't know how that works with engineering. I'm not much of an engineer, but nonetheless I I would absolutely agree that we need to just stick with the nuts and bolts of a nice steel pole down there And we can live with that better than we can live with sort of faded droopy dying Non-living Foilage foliage Okay vice chair hedge path any comments Beyond what you've already said Okay, just just that quickly said We're member birch in the comments. I know there are functional things like With with weather changing between Temperature and wind direction that that's an educational thing For those of you that don't know net con the dynamics and kinesthetics are great I don't want to get too Too esoteric here, but the idea of something thoughtful and curious Um to adorn the pole That would be playful is interesting. Um, I don't want to draw attention color-wise It's it's going to be galvanized or zinc or some color A it just stays the way it is or B. There's some Whether there's information done in a clever way a net con wind Wind vane or something, but I don't want to distract traffic on 101 that Something like that would be thoughtful Otherwise it's best to let it sleep and do its job Thank you. Vice chair hedge path. Um, I as we were kind of talking about this I just want to confirm with the applicant the It appears based on what I could see on Google earth here that the existing tower is not a monopine. It's just an existing tower I just want to confirm that's correct Based on the commentary. I'm hearing from the board. Can the applicant confirm that for me, please This is jason osborne. Can you guys hear me? Like I yeah, I can confirm. Yeah, I can confirm the alternate tower that we'd be relocating is a A monopole indeed and certainly we've been communicated with adam via email here, but um That we'd be happy to turn it back into a monopole I I do want to address just one quick question just for everyone's edification and Board member birch. I completely agree with you vice chair hedge path. I completely agree with you. It would be It would be amazing to see dinosaurs or some sort of architectural feature. What what you run into though is Jurisdictions push co locations and in order for us to co-locate Let's imagine the top of my kids into dinosaurs. Okay, and like I got them everywhere in my house You've got the top of a t-rex head That only is eight feet wide I can now only fit one carrier in the top of that 37 foot T-rex I'm using that as an example because we wouldn't be able to bring another carrier on So now what you'd have is a double headed t-rex perhaps or You would have a series of tyrannosaurus rex up and down the the 101 I'm not Minimizing the request because believe me. I I come from an architectural background I'd love to see amazing wind veins and water tanks and towers The problem is they just really limit our ability To expand for co-location That's the first problem. Not only that, you know, they're $250,000 out of the gate And if you're trying to co-locate and build something that can be co-locatable We we need to somehow come back with our capital contribution and be able to have someone else help us build those that comes from the carriers Um, so again, I I love the idea as well And you can do it in smaller applications like small cell applications or in building solutions and architectural But it's really difficult to do these. Um, we've got so much traffic on 101 and we need to cover so many people So we're happy to turn it back into a monopole. So to speak I would love to avoid any type of continuous for that We can certainly work with staff and create the same size monopole co-locatable and all that sort of thing But I hope that helps lend a little bit of um You know insight into kind of how we build things and why we do them It does and thank you very much. I appreciate that so, um What I'd like to do at this time is I'd like to turn it back over to planer ross to go over The condition that they'd like to include That staff would like to include and then I would like to Kind of summarize what I heard from the board and I'm going to try to make it into considers and shells And we'll see if that's cool with the board and then we'll move forward. Hopefully with approval through project So planer ross Sure, um the one condition we have besides What so it sounds like the the fencing condition is no longer required For the design because as proposed it would remain the same but the condition is reads as The existing tower at 1500 armory drive shall be removed within six months Of when new the new tower is constructed and becomes fully operational Okay, does anybody on the board have a problem with the addition of that? uh consideration No, okay cool And we also have we also have some language to address a uh monopole condition if you if you need help with it after you Um get there. Yeah, I've actually kind of got this written out um Okay, so I what I heard from uh the board is I'm going to read these into the record The cell tower shall be a standard monopole cell tower with the ability of carrier co-location Height height not to exceed what is proposed What is currently proposed does that sound good to everybody? Yeah Okay And then the second one I heard is shall provide fencing as Design and proposed That way We're just conditioning it and it's done And we're accepting the variance And then the last thing I heard Um, and and I agree with it too and we're going to make this one a consider Is consider additional architectural design To be applied to the standard pole And and then we can add anything else to that if we want, but I just said conditional additional architectural design To be added to the standard pole I don't know what else to to include. I know Michael and uh warren felt pretty and henry felt pretty strongly about that But I don't I don't know quite how you guys wanted me to word that so that's kind of what I came up with I'm all for making beautiful cell towers and really, you know Innovating and doing some great stuff here. I do think I wonder if putting on a even if it's just a consider Crew does it need to be included? I mean, it's definitely a thought But it sounds like a much a much bigger thing and then we need to review I would want to review it also. I mean if anything was going to be proposed From my perspective is having been maybe the strongest voice or kind of thinking about the whimsy of it I don't I don't know that it needs to be included. I just continue to I think be a you know an old man yelling at clouds here, but for but I do like the idea that There are more people thinking about that and I think that as we have infrastructure that we can add Some some attractive and honest artwork and different things too. We'd be ahead, but I don't think it's necessary to Require that or of this applicant for this project. That that's my thought Anybody Henry Warren Henry go ahead. Yeah Adam Ross can can I just wanted to try to be helpful in this and I and I Trying to find something to pass on when an applicant comes in with a request for a new tower that Early on or about midway in your presentation. Isn't there some verbiage that That an applicant has to follow our design guideline And I'm just wondering if our design guideline maybe needs another another a refresh to it. So so there's a You know a seamless process that they're bringing back to us not trees, but but something that has some architectural flair to it or Something that makes it somewhat unique. I like some of the verbiage that we had in it, but Can you can you reference back to that for just a second? So? Some of either other Board members can chime in on on and helping me frame what I'm trying where I'm trying to go with this I I think I know what you're saying. Give me a second. I'll share the screen and and I'll I'll just highlight those design guidelines so I think Here innovative design solutions that minimize visual impact should be utilized They shall be as small as possible with minimum height necessarily without compromising reasonable reception or transmission I think the first part The monopine in and I I mean I could be totally incorrect here. So please correct me if I'm wrong Innovative the monopine seems to have been just kind of presented as as that as a design is as throughout other jurisdictions and in the past but it's moving forward staff can interpret what's going on here with the The comments and and feelings from the board for future Telecommunications facilities. I don't think that that's an issue So I just want to point out to the board 204060 f1 and f2 are not In the city of Santa Rosa design guidelines. They're actually in the zoning code um and there there is a A subtle difference between those two documents And in that this has to this is a absolute kind of requirement and the design guidelines are more All right, I strong suggestions. I guess like what it should have say Yeah And in light of that, I probably don't want to get going to this discussion any further if it's if it's in the zoning it's Not really in our purview so apologies No, Henry, I I hear you we've I've been down this road with Some chain restaurants from back in my previous tenure with designer view where The presentations that showed up with some faux stone columns at the base and Some chochki's that come right out of the design guidelines are are really horrific and the applicants Standard You know cookie cutter Building is actually much more appropriate for the site. I mean commercial architecture and commercial, uh, you know branding design is is In and of itself, uh, you know important so not to belabor this with the applicant I completely hear what you're saying and I would love to find a way It's hard because this business has to be done at the counter with staff staffs got to be able to interpret Something they've got to be able to share something while people are on the clock spending money to get in front of the designer view More than the planning commission. So it's a tough argument But I I completely hear you about the idea of trying to nuance the design guidelines and you know, god forbid if it's in the zoning code Prescribing what things should look like in Santa Rosa versus prescribing You know a good approach and a good program and and and a And something unique so I hear you and it's a tough discussion and decision And I think over I would love to talk about the design guidelines more in the future And and also I do want to point out that in the in the same section f8 Us in the of the zoning code states the telecommunication facility should be designed And painted a color that blends with the surrounding natural or man-made features that that might give us a little bit of of um Latitude to make these sorts of decisions until we are able to Engage an amendment to the design guidelines and then subsequently zoning code But we can certainly keep that on on our dashboard for amendments And look for opportunities as they come up if that's what the the board desires Okay. Um, thank you very much, andrew Uh, so I what I'd like to do now is so it it sounds like we have three Conditions of approval one is about Switching it back to a standard monopole second is about the the fencing and the third is about the relocation um, so if I could get those Reread by staff and I want to get that confirmed with the applicant that they seem reasonable and then we'll Take a vote barring any other commentary from the board. Does that sound good everybody? Okay, so can we get the the three conditions reread please So that was the cell tower shall be a monopole design and be no higher than as currently proposed and the fencing The the project shall provide fencing as designed as proposed in the last one is The existing tower at 1500 armory drive shall be removed within six months Of when the new tower is constructed and becomes fully operational at 12 36 cleveland avenue Cool. Is that does that sound good to everybody any changes adjustments? good I guess I did have one final question about Just out of my own curiosity With the shot clock expiring today, this project actually needs to be approved today. Is that correct andre? And that if it weren't approved something Happens, is that correct? There is a Sorry, Adam. You've been working with the shot clock go contracts. There is a there's an additional shot clock An additional tolling agreement that would allow for whatever decision is made tonight And then any sort of appeals to apply for that. So if the designer board Approved it if a member of some interested party wanted to appeal it There's time given if the designer view board denied the project. There's time given for the applicant to appeal it So the shot clock was really just that we consider the project today and then that additional You know time frame is what then happens next Depending on what happens, right? Yes Okay, staff does recommend that a decision be made though and rather than a Continuance of the of the project tonight Well, it sounds like we've got Emotion we've got a motion on the the table here. We've got three amendments to it so I just want to go back to the applicant real quick before we add the friendly amendments Via our process and just check with them to see if they have any problems meeting those Conditions of approval. So applicant team. Yeah, this is Jason. Awesome. I wonder if you can hear me I would like to say but yeah, we agree to those amended conditions. No issue at all Awesome. Thanks so much. So that being said, uh, we'll go back to the motioner, which is beister hedgepeth To approve the friendly amendments as read by planner ross Do you accept do you accept the amendments friendly amendments as read by planner ross? I accept the friendly amendments as read by planner ross this day. Thank you Thanks morning and the second john. Do you accept the friendly amendments? I accept the friendly amendments As as written or spoken by uh planner ross Awesome. So that being said, then we will uh, let's have a vote. So patty Okay, roll call vote uh board member wicks All right Board member wilski Hi Board member sharon Hi Board member mcku Hi Board member birch You're muted. Bye Vice chair vice chair hedgepeth Hi And chair weigel Hi Seven eyes Cool. So congratulations on your approval and uh, with that Good question real quick. Um, I guess before it before everyone ever leaves, especially the applicant Just a question. You you readily um, Agreed to our conditions and when we brought up the wanting to go back to the monopole, you're okay with that Is a you know Is your thought process is he would you prefer to do monopoles or are you You know, what's the reasoning behind doing proposing the monopine? I think uh Well, I I will say that I generally propose monopines. Uh, this is jason osborne speaking and uh, I live in the area and I just You know worked in this industry for 22 years and you know My kids can pick out any monopine monopole mono, whatever Uh, I just prefer how they look and you know, we really want to just to try to blend in the trees And that was you know, just interpreting the zoning code. That was just kind of the way we went But I do agree with you the monopole. I mean, you're right. Sometimes you're trying to hide What was the great example some of a nose job or something like that? I forget what the analogy was but it was it was pretty dead on And the other two conditions were no issue. Anyway, we just wanted to make sure we didn't have a proliferation of towers If we got a new one approved. So other than that, we're great. Thank you. Thank you all Okay, cool. Yeah, just kind of wondering about preference and rationale there. No, thank you well with that That ends item 8.1 with an approval and so we'll go to adjournment. Everybody have a great july 4th holiday weekend Stay cool and stay out of trouble. Okay. Thank you Happy 4th of july Happy 4th Bye all. Thanks. Happy 4th Yeah Thank you too. Wonderful