 Greetings and welcome to this edition of Campus Conversations. I'm Dan Mogulov from the University's Office of Communications and Public Affairs. Today, I'm honored and really pleased to welcome for the very first time our relatively new UCPD Chief, Yogananda Pittman, who took office last February. Chief Pittman previously served as the Assistant Chief of the United States Capitol Police, where she had served for more than two decades. Her experience includes providing protective details for US senators and visiting dignitaries, supervising hundreds of officers, and leading security efforts for President Obama's second presidential inauguration. She served as the Interim Chief of the United States Capitol Police for six months in the aftermath of the events at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021. Chief Pittman is a graduate of Morgan State University in Maryland, obtained her master's degree in public administration from Marist College in New York, and is a PhD candidate in public administration from West Chester University in Pennsylvania. We already have a number of excellent questions that you've sent in in hand. But if you'd like to pose a query for Chief Pittman as we go along, just post it to our Facebook live streaming site, and we'll do our very best to respond. Let's get started. Chief Pittman, thanks so much for being here today. Good afternoon, Dan, and thank you so much for having me. Pleasure. Just tell us a little about why public safety, why law enforcement, what drew you to that profession? Well, I will start with Dan. I did not grow up wanting to be a police officer. I didn't watch cop shows, but I did grow up the daughter and granddaughter of public servants, civil rights activists, that were very adamant in instilling in us as children, that we had a responsibility to give back to the community and to serve. I've always had a heart for service, and I've continued that. I have a brother that's a retired FBI agent. I have several members of my family that are retired from the armed services community. So I really have that in my blood and in my spirit. And stepping back, like in the big picture, how do you think about public safety and law enforcement? I mean, this has been at the top of the national agenda now for a number of years. With everything from efforts or advocacy to defund police or to bolster police, and perceptions of increasing crime, and data about increasing crime, and where do you fall out? How do you see law enforcement, public safety in general, and on a college campus in particular? Well, speaking in general terms, I understand the country's sentiment toward law enforcement. Let me start by saying I am proud and honored to wear the badge in the uniform. I'm proud to serve beside my UCPD colleagues and peers. I'm proud to serve this community. However, I also understand the challenges and the need for police reform across the board, across the country. There are things that law enforcement as a profession can do better. I think by and large, most of us serve with a compassionate heart, and we are here to do the right thing for the right reason 365 days a year. We also must acknowledge and accept accountability for our actions when things don't go as we train, when things don't go with folks leading from a place of compassion. And we have to have that transparency. We owe that to the community and the people that we serve to be transparent about our actions. But I think it's more important to hold officers accountable when there are inappropriate actions. We are blessed with an opportunity when we're serving the public. So we must answer to the public when things don't go right. In terms of your second question, what are some of the differences between a campus law enforcement community versus a municipality? There are more similarities than differences. I personally came from an open campus environment serving on Capitol Hill to an open campus environment here at Berkeley. I will also say that there are a lot of differences in terms of the type of community. By and large, the population here that we're serving are students, staff, and faculty. Our students are a different type of population. We all, just as a parent, Dan, as parents, we want our students to have a wonderful college experience. We know that sometimes boundaries will be tested, but we want them to be tested in a controlled environment. And so we want to grant grace in this community to make sure we're ensuring that they have the safest experience possible. Chief, if I remember correctly, you have two teenage sons, do I have that right? So if you're almost correct, I have one teenage son. He'll be, the youngest will be 18 in about two weeks. So happy pre-birthday to him. And then I have a 23-year-old senior college student who plays football out in Richmond, Virginia. Got it. So how do you bring, or do you bring, their lived experience, your own lived experience, to work every day? How does that impact, or does it impact the way you think about your job and your responsibilities? Yes, it really does. And I'm genuinely appreciative of this question. Being an African-American woman and a leader and law enforcement, being the mother of two African-American young men, sometimes their engagement with law enforcement has not always been positive. They see their mother as a role model, an example of what is right with law enforcement, but it also suggests that we have work to do. My sons are a constant reminder of that. Anytime I'm engaging with the community, I really see them as my family. I look at the community as that somebody's father, that somebody's mother, that somebody's child. And we may be seeing them at a time when they're not at their best, but it is still our responsibility to make sure we're serving them and their needs with respect and compassion. And we have to treat them as if, though, if that was our mother or our sons, how would we want someone to take care of them to serve them during their times of need? Yeah. Wow. There's a lot to think about there in that answer. Before we kind of delve deeper into bookly specific questions, let's change geography for a second. January 6th in the capital, a dark and historic day for this country. What was that like and how do you think about it now that you've had some chance to get both geographical distance and sort of time distance away from all that happened? How do you look back on that day and the days that followed? It was a horrific day for this country. It's a day I'll never forget. I always like to start with, I want to honor and respect those who lost their lives on that day. I started serving as the interim chief on January 8th. On my first evening on the job, I lost an officer to suicide, officer Howie Leibingood. I also lost officer Brian Sicknick and everywhere I've gone around the country and around the world at this point, I never want anyone to forget what we lost. I also don't want anyone to forget the resiliency of those that serve the United States Capitol Police. Those women and men save democracy. They literally were the last line of defense between those insurrectionists and members of the congressional community. They held fast that day. It wasn't pretty, it was brutal. I'm always pleased to see that individuals are being held accountable for their acts of violence toward law enforcement on that day. But I also am so proud to be part of the change and rerouting that ship in history and being able to turn that organization around and the amount of time that we did there, not only showed up on January 6th, they came back on January 7th with being ready to serve. And I couldn't be more proud of all of them. So you've come literally at least a long way since then, you're here on the West Coast on the Berkeley campus and we're glad to have you here. What's it been like? What's the transition been like? What surprised you for either pleasantly or unpleasantly? Cause there not a lot of places like UC Berkeley. It's been a lot of pleasant surprises. I am honored and privileged to serve here. I don't know if I should be surprised by this, but I do feel a sense of honor and pride with the overwhelmingly welcoming responses that I've received from so many along my journey with the campus community. I've had a chance Dan now to meet with so many different groups and organizations within the community and by and large, they are welcoming of a police presence. I had heard things about the Berkeley campus, about the surrounding community and its attitude, so to speak, towards law enforcement. I do understand the concerns. I know that sometimes a uniform presence can be a trigger for someone in this community. So I am working hard every day along with my colleagues to make sure that we're collaborating with the community so that we can change that narrative by our actions and by our words to say that we don't want to elicit a negative response. We really want to be called upon to serve when there's a need for safety and security within this community. And to be blunt, have you found a receptive audience for that orientation of the community and relationship and to rebuilding or to building a positive relationship with the community? Have you found any resistance within the department? Not at all. The community has really welcomed us with open arms. I've spoke to community members down at Albany Village. I've spoken with the College of Engineering. I'm scheduled to speak with the business school. I've spoken with different affinity groups and everywhere I go, Dan, by and large, the conversation is how can we get more of a police presence? We have these safety concerns and we really want to collaborate with the police. What can we do to assist? I've heard from parents with several different parent organizations that are really concerned about their young adult safety. So they want to be partners with us. And we welcome, we at UCPD welcome those partnerships and are really working with the community. But overall, we've been welcomed with open arms. So you talked about that interest in having more and about concern about crime. We're going to get into that and talk about the numbers in just a bit. Where do things stand in terms of the staffing level of UCPD? I know that the force is much smaller than it was 10, 15 years ago. But I think I also heard from you in an earlier conversation you and I had that you've got open positions that are hard to recruit. Where are you at in terms of staffing right now? Yeah, so I want to say that since I've been here, it's really been a supportive environment for UCPD to attain more staff. We've gotten funding and assistance from our stakeholders. Right now, we are at 42 sworn officers. But with that said, we also have another several other components of UCPD that assist with safety and security. That includes our special police officers who are not armed and our community service officers who are students that assist us with several safety initiatives. So while the sworn presence is small, we also have an extension of that with our non-sworn personnel. We have several vacancies. I'm proud to say we are filling those vacancies, Dan, and we are filling them quickly. We have one of the best retirement systems in the Bay Area. We are one of the most friendly and compassionate police departments. I couldn't be more proud of the women and men that I serve with. So it's just a healthy environment to work in. We care about the officer's mental health and wellness. We wanna make sure that they are armed with the best tools and resources to really complete this difficult job on a daily basis. So yes, we are hiring. We have several officers that are coming on board, but we do have more work to do. Got it. I'm gonna just a second, jump into some of the really good questions we've received from folks in the audience. But before I do, for those of you who may have joined us late, we're talking today with Chief Yogananda Pittman, who took the reins of UCPD last February. We've got a number of great questions already submitted, but if you have questions as we go along, feel free to post them to our Facebook Live site. Probably won't get to all of them, but we'll do our best. Let me jump into some of the questions we've got. Here's one. Perspective students are often very concerned about safety and are keenly aware of the high crime rate in the Bay Area. They're worried that it's not safe living and going to school here, meaning in Berkeley. What would you say to them about their concerns? I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the crime rates in the Bay Area and the surrounding community. I think we have to acknowledge that. We keep statistical data and keep a close eye on that so we can have deliberate responses to mitigate those crimes. I would say, Dan, in general terms, crime is on the rise in every major city across America. It's a concern that not only the police have, but the communities have. Crime has to be addressed as a collaboration between law enforcement and the community and our students are a part of that community. What I would also say to them is there are a number of things that we can do to work together to address those crime concerns. Things like being aware of your surroundings. So many of our young adults, myself included, not necessarily as a young adult, but we use technology on a daily basis. We're connected to our iPhones or Android phones and we could be walking with the phones in hand, headphones or earbuds and our ears looking down. We wanna make sure that we are paying attention to our surroundings. When I address the student organizations and groups, I tell them to make sure when they're going out that they're able to travel in groups. There is safety and numbers. We want to ensure that they're doing that. There are a number of safety apps that they can download to their phones to include our timely warnings and warm me initiative. So if there's a vulnerable area around the campus, we want them to get that messaging almost in real time so that they can avoid those areas and continue to be safe. They can get updates about what's going on and around the campus. Lastly, I will say that damn, we can't investigate crimes unless we know something about it. Sometimes there's been a culture of drawing the line between the community and police departments where sometimes the community is hesitant about recording crime. They don't want to appear to be as a snitch or some people just have a general fear of law enforcement. And I understand that. But I do also want to offer avenues that are displayed on our website. You can report things anonymously. You don't have to come into the police station or headquarters. You don't have to stop an officer on the street. But if you see something, we really do want you to say something because we can't investigate what we don't know about. If we know about it, we can put patrols in specific areas that we know that are high targets. For example, we had our students have move-in day very recently. So we definitely beefed up security. We blocked off streets and entrances so that students could move into buildings in the safest manner possible. So while crime is on the rise, there are a number of things that UCPD is doing to make deliberate efforts to mitigate those crimes. And just to make sure that we all understand. So you talked about collaboration at the very beginning. Is that what you mean, meaning taking steps, strengthen numbers, see something, say something? Is that what you mean by collaboration with the community? Well, I would even extend it a little further than that. I think that collaboration means that student organizations, we need to work together with law enforcement. I think that the unhoused crisis that we're dealing with in the Bay Area, that we make sure that we're working with community leaders to address that population and offer resources other than just a police response. Sometimes people have challenges in the community that are not crimes, quite frankly, and they don't solicit or warrant a law enforcement response. However, it is a concern of the community. So I think that the administrators, the respective departments, the cabinet, the council of deans, we all have to collaborate and work together to come up with a holistic response for the entire community. So would I be wrong to understand from what you said that you support this notion of taking a careful look at what responsibilities we assign to law enforcement and what responsibilities might be handled better, for example, by mental health professionals. That re-examination of exactly what we ask of our law enforcement officers. Do I have that right? You are absolutely right, Dan. We are working with the president's office on a number of initiatives that require us in the University of California school system to have a tiered response. And it's exactly what you just said. When there are concerns, for example, with the unhoused, they may not be committing a crime, but they could be in areas where they're not authorized to be in. That doesn't necessarily warrant a law enforcement response. So we have other community members that can respond to them and offer them resources so that they're not traversing in areas of the campus where we want academic instruction to go on, for example. It's really interesting. We have three separate questions that all seem to be focused on a perception and perhaps a reality that there are more members of the public frequenting campus buildings. They may or may not be unhoused. And I wanna go through each of these questions because the fact that we get three questions suggests that it's a pretty significant concern for members of the campus community. So the first one is that asks, what are the campus plans for dealing with unhoused members of the community that reside in off-campus buildings leased by the university, but occupied by members of the university community? So this is about off-campus buildings. Is there any plan to deal with that or is that something you're still looking into? Yes, we do have plans and we actually respond to off-campus housing, for example, down at Albany Village approximately three weeks ago. I, along with members of RSSP, Ms. Jill Magnus and her team went down to Albany Village to offer a community safety briefing. And we are working with the towns that surround those communities. I work with law enforcement chiefs in those areas as well as community advisors to make sure we're offering the unhoused populations of resources in those areas. Dan, we have so much work to do though. The state of California really regulates how we respond. We have to offer housing and resources to anyone who's been in a specific area more than 48 hours. And we really want to be respectful of that and show compassion to the unhoused, but we also have a responsibility at the same time to offer those students that are in off-campus housing, not only safety tips and practices, but they need to feel safe. Sometimes they're young children traversing those areas. We want to make sure that we're offering them resources, whether it's infrastructure in terms of fencing or gated communities. We have a special police officer, a lot of times that's assigned to those communities so that members of the community know how to go to the special police officer and make them aware of their concerns. And UCPD also dispatches officers for law enforcement response to those areas as well. Before I go on, there's two other related questions, but for people who want additional information, where should they go? UCPD website, best source around? Yes, and thank you so much for asking. I've been working with our campus partners. Ms. Ellen Top has diligently been working on a website, so if anybody goes to berkeley.edu and puts in safety, you will see a website that's been recently updated and it has all sorts of information, anything and everything that's related to safety. Some of the services we offer in terms of our night shuttles, in terms of the community service officers offering bare walk, where they essentially will escort members of the community to their cars, to their vehicles, to their homes, wherever they're going. And it tells you how to initiate those services. So yes, they can visit us on the UCPD website. Got it, thank you. Another campus safety question. What concrete, this is slightly different than last one, maybe even more than slightly. What concrete measures can staff take to protect themselves, students and visitors from threats caused by members of the public who access our buildings but are not affiliated with the campus? What sort of training is available for staff? Should we be utilizing security cameras and or alarms? Are staffers scared? What can we do to create a safer environment? Yes, so right now the campus has what we call the active threat preparedness team. And there's a small core group of us and then there's a subgroup of individuals that their primary focus is to address concerns just like you stated. We first and foremost want to know and want the campus staff to report to us when they have these types of concerns. Dan, I can't tell you the number of times since I've been here that I have received calls from employees and staff that have reported that they have unhoused or non-affiliates with the campus in their areas. And it has caused significant levels of concern. Our response to them, an immediate response is always to dispatch officers or special police. But in addition to that, we also have worked with our IT friends to look at our robust camera system to make sure if they're not cameras in the area, we address how much it would cost to put them there, who's gonna monitor them. I've worked really closely with all of those departments to really want to have a holistic approach. In addition to that, one more thing I'd like to mention is we have reassigned staff to specific garages, particularly during peak hours to address non-affiliates, to make sure that our employees can traverse to and from work free from crime or just the feeling overall of being unsafe. I've also worked with the residential aides or residential assistants to train and educate them on what to do if there's someone in a dorm that doesn't belong, things that we don't want them to do. A person is acting erratically or aggressive in nature when they need to call UCPD to have us come out to assist and to avoid things like tailgating. We don't want our community members holding the doors open. Many of our members of the community really have a compassionate heart and they really want to help, particularly the unhoused, but we want them to really assist and help them in a manner that is safe for the entire community. So we go out and we give briefings on those types of things all the time, Dan. So when you say tailgating, just to be clear, we're not talking about parties before the football game. We're talking about what that habit of leaving a door open for somebody you may not know. That's exactly it. We don't want them to hold the door open or prop a door open for someone they don't know because they are trying to seek shelter at that particular time. But I want to circle back on something. We got started on this last part of the discussion with the question about what can staff do? And I think you gave a really excellent broad picture. If there's a staff group out there in a particular building or in advance of a particular event that'd like to know more, is there a particular person they should reach out to at UCPD, should they start with the website? What would be your advice to somebody who says, boy, that sounds interesting. I want to know more, what should they do? They can always reach myself and as well as my colleagues at the UCPD website. We have a general mailbox there for the office of the chief that's checked regularly by my staff. They can always give us a call at 510-642-6760. And I did just have to learn that number on the hill for 20 plus years, knowing all the numbers that's new for me. But in all seriousness, they can always reach out by phone as well. We have staff here 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We are always open and always prepared to respond to their concerns. Yeah, thank you for that. And just a second after this next question, I have another email address. I think the general mailbox for your particular office. But let's go back to another question that somebody sent in and it goes as follows, is UCPD allowed to ask anyone who looks suspicious what their business is on campus and ask anyone who does not have legitimate business to leave? Or is that considered profiling? So the short answer is yes. UCPD can engage with any member of the community that they could have a reasonable suspicion that they could articulate is why they're communicating with a person. But I think even more importantly, it's important for UCPD to engage with members of the community at all times, not just when something is going wrong. We want to be out and about in the community. We want to have an opportunity to really expand our relationships with community members. So we don't want to only engage because we think there's nefarious activity. We really want a community to see us as protectors, as servants to them. Profiling is when you're doing things that are inappropriate, you're being biased against a particular person or persons because of the way they look, because of the way they dress or you're doing something that's against a person's civil rights. We will have zero tolerance. And let me repeat that. I have zero tolerance for that. And if anyone would to ever experience that, I would want them to reach out to me directly so I could address it immediately. Got it, thanks. Before we go on, I want to provide everybody with another email address for those of you who may want to reach out. It's for the chief's office and she gave me permission to share this email address. And it is chief, C-H-I-E-F dot of, O-F dot police at Berkeley dot edu. That's chief dot of dot police at Berkeley dot edu. Gonna move on to another question that came in. Looking at UC Berkeley safety projects, can chief Pittman speak to the status of the Everbridge warning notification upgrades and active threat preparedness projects? That feels like it's a little bit in the weeds, but it also feels like it's an important question. So if you could explain to us what that is and where things stand. Absolutely. So the active threat preparedness team, we meet bi-weekly. We have a team leader and we're working on a number of initiatives that relate to safety. One of the things we've done over the past month is held a series of interviews for the office of emergency management. That director position has been open. We also meet to discuss active threat preparedness in terms of if the campus experienced an active shooter. What have we taught our community members? How we would respond? What is the response of UCPD? So in May, I believe it was May of this year, UCPD held a two day training that was all active shooter preparedness and response. We invited members of the community to come over to the campus where we were hosting the training so there was plenty of professional staff on hand to see what an officer actually goes through when they're responding to a threat of an active shooter. We are in the process of preparing the Department of Homeland Security's run hide fight training to the staff and employees here on the campus. We don't have a hard date as of yet right now, Dan, but we are working and I think that we are very close to coming to a consensus on the best way to roll that project out. And I know you asked me some more questions within that, but I've lost the second half of that. So if you could repeat it, that would help me out. So that was the status of the Everbridge warning notification upgrades. Yes, so Everbridge is a notification system here that we use to send out messaging to the community. Anytime there could be a crisis or some type of threat to the campus. And not just when I say threat, I don't just mean like active shooter. There could be a natural disaster and or a path outage that's affecting the community. And we want them to be aware if there's an evacuation site or rally point, we would give out information. In terms of the upgrades to the system, I know that it is a work in progress. I don't have all of the details Dan down in the weeds of exactly when certain parts of that system will be brought online that we can share with the community. It's been upgraded holistically, but I do know that it's a work in progress. There are bi-weekly meetings to discuss Everbridge as well. And so those are a number of things that we're working on to make sure that we can make this campus a lot safer. I have to say just this interview, so far just speaking with you and you've been here only since February, it reminds me that being at Berkeley is like drinking from the fire hose. It's sort of amazing that you've gotten your arms around. Yes, Dan, it really feels that way. By me coming from a federal law enforcement agency to a campus environment, there are lots of obstacles and hurdles and things that I had to learn. One of those major ones, is Cleary, Cleary stats and data and how we share that with the campus. Systems like Everbridge and what are my responsibilities? What is the police department's responsibilities? And that has been a learning experience. And I honestly can say I am learning each and every day. Sometimes it's a little overwhelming, but it's a process that I also enjoy as well. So a question just came in that I don't quite understand, but I'm thinking you might. It's a follow-up about Everbridge and the active threat preparedness. And the questioner seems to believe that they're at risk. That the current status of those projects is that they are at risk. Is that the case and what does that mean and what other information can you provide? And why is this important? Yes, so we've developed a threat metric, so to speak, to say where we are with each of these initiatives. So for example, the Office of Emergency Management, I mentioned previously that we conducted a series of interviews to get that position filled. We would consider that at risk until the position is actually filled. For example, another one of our projects is the Police Accountability Board. That's an initiative that came from the president's office that we would collaborate with the community. And if there's a complaint against the police department in a city, it would probably be called an Independent Advisory Board, where you have members of the community that are going to investigate and look at complaints. Well, that initiative is on track. You're right where we want to be. We're moving into the training phase and are ready pretty soon to launch those programs. So for the ones that are at risk, they haven't, I won't say they haven't been started, but they're still a timetable that could be a little further away than we'd like it to be. But that does not mean by any stretch of imagination, Dan, that we aren't working on it and it's not on our radar. So the next question may be a dumb question on my part, but somebody once told me there are no dumb questions. I'm not sure about that. So you mentioned the office of emergency services and that you're looking to fill a position. Does that mean that office is going to be revitalized, reestablished back online? Cause that was one of the questions we got. So yes, and I would say that the office has been online. It's had an interim director, but you do want dedicated staff in that position, particularly someone that has sub-matter expertise in dealing with natural disasters, crisis management, and it would be helpful if they have university experience while it's not necessary. I'm excited to say that the stakeholders have narrowed it down to a few all well-qualified candidates. And I'm confident that relatively soon over the next month or so, we will have someone to fill that position. And I am personally looking forward to partnering with them because their responsibility for campus this size is going to be enormous. And so I wanna make sure that we do everything we can to support them. We've really have to work together. Emergency management and UCPD will go hand in hand on how this campus responds to any natural disaster or crisis or any active threat to the campus. So in the same general subject area, another good question that's come in. And they ask, can you speak to the logic behind when the warn me notifications go out? This person says, this week there was somebody with a pickaxe threatening a couple of students, but the warn me didn't go out until at least two hours later. Had the warn me gone out as it happened, maybe other students could have helped to find or catch the perpetrator. How does the warn me system work? And can you use this particular incident as an example? Yes, so the warning system works. It's regulated by the Department of Education. It requires campuses and universities across the nation to report in a timely fashion any threat to the campus community within a specific jurisdiction. And so if it falls within certain parameters on or immediately adjacent to the campus community, that information is processed typically by a sergeant within UCPD. We work with the Cleary team to make sure that we're getting out those messages in a timely fashion. While I can't speak specifically to the timeline that the messaging went out for the individual with a pickaxe, I will say that by and large, UCPD does a phenomenal job at making sure that we're getting out information as quickly as possible. If there are concerns about the timeline, I am more than willing to discuss whatever measures that we can put in place. I think there's always room for improvement. And so I would want to collaborate with the community on how we can get messaging out quickly. Dan, one of the challenges is sometimes we also hear from members of the community that feel like the warning messages are triggers for them and they don't want to hear or see them in what we would call a timely fashion. So there's a delicate balance there. I think that we have a responsibility and a legal obligation to the Department of Education that we follow and adhere to those guidelines. But we also want to do the right thing for the right reason. And what I mean by that is sometimes there are things happening around the campus that may not fit the criteria or parameters to warrant a warning message. However, those that are affected by whatever incident and is happening and they're in that immediate area, they would still want some type of messaging. So we're working with our partners to see where that fine line is, how we could communicate by not necessarily mass messaging to 80,000 members of the community. But if it's an incident that's specific to, for example, California Hall, how can we do some targeted messaging so that folks in and around that area would be aware of what's going on and we can properly mitigate those things. So we've got more work to do with warning. You know, all that you just discussed and that answer brings to mind another question, which is, I mean, you've been in the business long enough that when you started, there wasn't such a thing as social media. But now very often when something happens on campus, social media lights up and sometimes has accurate information before the campus does. Sometimes it's spreading inaccurate information. Sometimes it's hard to know what the heck it's doing. How do you think about that? How do you take that into account that there are all these independent sources of information exploding simultaneously every time there's an incident? It's a fine balance. I am a fan of social media. I have, as we mentioned earlier, two young people that are hooked, you know, their phones are like glued to their hands. They get a lot of their information via various social media platforms. I think for law enforcement and those in the safety community, we can leverage social media to communicate with our community, particularly students. It's a valuable way to get them accurate information. UCPD postings regularly on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. So that's one resource that they will have to receive accurate updates from the police department as well as our campus partners when things are going on in and around the community. So we have to leverage it responsibly. We also have to be mindful that at times the community may be posting things that are sensitive in nature. And so we always try to be respectful of individual family members, friends that may not have received some sensitive information. So I always try to get that word out as well that we don't want to share information before it's time. A lot of times we have to make notification to family members before we send out any mass messaging. Yep. Speaking of students, another question just came in. Are there any personal safety classes for students or is that just sort of written in online resources for them? There aren't any personal safety classes that UCPD sponsors. However, there is a tremendous amount of online safety classes that there's members of the community like the National Intelligence Resource Center, the Nick Brick in San Francisco. There are other local municipalities that offer online courses as well about best practices regarding safety. And I would encourage the community to reach out. Many of these online trainings are free of charge. All you have to do is register and sign up. And so there's a lot of information about best safety practices out there that students and faculty have access to. Do you think that, speaking of student safety, based on what you know now, do you think the concerns that parents have, that students have, that staff and faculty have, do you think they're out of proportion with what the data say about the actual degree of risk in and around campus? Or are the concerns understandable from where you sit? Are they anchored in the reality of the situation for this university and this urban environment? I think that a person's perception is their reality. I think that as a law enforcement professional, we provide safety measures and tips and techniques. We know what the best practices are, but I think there's a big difference between being safe and feeling safe. And if you don't feel safe, no matter what the numbers say, no matter what the subject matter experts say, that's just a feeling that's inside of you that we're going to have to work together to change that feeling, to change that perception. And I think all of the things here that we've had an opportunity to discuss this afternoon, Dan, are ways that we can give folks to really that feeling of being safe. I think that at times, data has to be put into context. I work closely with Abby, who's our Cleary Representative. And the numbers are quite frankly concerning. They're very concerning. And the numbers do appear to be on the rise. With that said, we've got to really adhere to what our best safety practices are and really reach out to the community. I have in my mind as a law enforcement professional, what I believe is valuable to the community in terms of safety, but it's really important for us to have a listening ear to the community. Because just because I've been in the profession, doesn't mean that I can't learn or we all can't learn. And we want to hear from them about what's important to them. And then we tweak our response and tailor our responses to make sure that we're adhering to the needs of the community and not just what we think may be best. Got it. I'm going to turn the next question into a request. Somebody was looking for an org chart at UCPD. The last one they found is from 2015. So the request here is that the org chart could be updated on the UCPD website. We will take care of that immediately. I was not here in 2015, so I know my name is not on the org chart. And we definitely want to be representative of the folks that are here in place today. Thank you. Let's go to something that there were a few questions that suggested to me that people may not everybody may completely understand the jurisdictional differences in areas between Berkeley Police Department, UCPD. We had a question about why the city of Berkeley doesn't enforce traffic violations. We had a question about why there's mass double parking on the 2,500 block of Durant Avenue. We had a question about why Berkeley doesn't have more of the parking enforcement staff be assigned to law, to crime. So if you could answer those, I think I know what the sort of the general answer is, but let me defer to you and help those people who may still be confused about who does what in town. It's so understandable, Dan. We work so closely together. UCPD, a lot of times it's just the south side or north side of a sidewalk that delineates where UCPD's jurisdiction ends and Berkeley Police Department's jurisdiction starts. But we work very closely together. You will see Berkeley police officers and about the community, whether it's on Telegraph Avenue and around the People's Construction site, just in general speaking, all around the campus. However, sometimes when community members call for a police response, if it's in Berkeley Police Department's jurisdiction, the dispatchers are well aware of those lines and they will dispatch a Berkeley City police officer. If it's something that UCPD needs to have situational awareness of, we communicate really well. And vice versa, if it's UCPD responding to something that we know could spill over or affect the surrounding communities, we make sure that we partner with them. Our PIOs often do public service announcements jointly. I speak regularly with the community representatives of the city of Berkeley to make sure that if they have initiatives that are going to directly impact the campus, then I'm sharing that information with our stakeholders. But I would close with many times there's confusion, particularly if there's something going wrong, so to speak, with who could be at fault. We are confused with Berkeley City Police and sometimes they are confused with us. What I can say to that is if you call our dispatch center, we are always going to get you to the right place and to the right people. If you ever have any questions that the community has questions about who is responding to us, they can always reach out to us at UCPD and request to speak with a supervisor. Those persons are well versed in who can and who is the most appropriate person to respond from a law enforcement and safety perspective to the surrounding community's needs. Thank you. We are just about out of time, believe it or not. And while we've been talking, a number of additional excellent questions have come in and we sort of anticipated this Chief before we got on today. So we really want to encourage people who have questions that we didn't have a chance to get to to use that mailbox we talked about before that's chief C-H-I-E-F dot of O-F dot police at Berkeley dot edu that email address if you don't have a pen handy is also on the UCPD website. Last question and it's admittedly going to be a softball but I'm curious all the same five years from now where do you hope we are in terms of safety on the campus in terms of the relationship between the department and the community in terms of that feeling of safety that you talked about. What's your vision and aspiration five years down the road? My vision for UCPD five years from now is that culturally we would have done a 360. I see this as an opportunity to make a real and true impact on how law enforcement is viewed in this campus community. I want the campus to really know that we are working hard every day and really want to be acknowledged by our own actions as this answering for this police department. I see those clear stats and numbers coming down because we would have developed a strategic plan and a holistic approach to how we're going to address and mitigate crimes. And then I think that five years from now we're going to see a higher number of community stakeholders that have kind of a police board presence that we're working together hand in hand with our professional and civilian staff. So it's not just a UCPD approach. It's the Berkeley approach. Pee-Pip and I want to thank you for your time. Thank you for coming to Berkeley. Thank you for your service to the country on January 6th, before and beyond that date. I think we're going to have to have you back judging not too long by the number of questions. Thanks everybody for tuning in and in chief. Thanks again. Thanks again for your time. I appreciate it. All right. Have a good day.