 Welcome back to the AI for good global summit here in Geneva now Geneva of course is well known for having the huge motor show And there is a link and with here with Bryn Belcom. Who's the chief strategy officer for robo-race? basically You're working also with the autonomous drivers Alliance Now here everything is really about the good you through AI Often working with Africa or social inclusion Which car racing got to do with any of this? Yeah, exactly Where does motorsport play a role in the future in the future of society really? It's always been like an R&D environment technology environment It's always been able to connect with the public build trust in new technologies So we have sort of motorsport really started and for us now in this sort of AI and robotics Era that we're all growing up in and certainly my daughter's growing up in how do we connect them with this technology and show Them how this technology is being developed. So Yes, in our competitions, there are no human drivers in the car that you see downstairs with robo car There's no place for a human driver. It's all about the software that goes into the vehicle So we've completely turned motorsport on its head. It's not a manufacturing competition anymore It's a software development competition and AI competition and then for sure we want to make sure that that's ethically sound What do you say estimate sound? What do you mean? If you look at most sport at the moment you have Sporting rules and regulations so that there are rules to the game rules of the road rules of interaction and engagement if you Exceed those rules then effectively you might go to see the stewards and then the stewards have to make a decision Whether you were right or wrong and you have to give evidence to say well This is my understanding of the situation and that was my understanding and then they make a decision How does that apply to AI that becomes? Explainable AI at that point. What decision did you take and why did you take it? What risk did you think you were taking? What did you perceive in the environment as the risk all of that is directly applicable? Whether it's in a motorsport environment or on the road in motorsport It just means we can create these edge case scenarios We can create these extreme circumstances and prove the technology in those domains and that when the public see that We'll build the trust that's the that's the plan now, you know, the UN has 17 sustainable development goals Do you fit into that? Yeah for sure So we look at normally goal number three and goal number 11 so 11 being the sustainable cities So for sure increasing mobility and use of the technology in that space. We're electric So when we start to look at emissions That's another another thing we focus on and I like to say that when we get hung up on the sort of self-driving and the autonomy and that becomes the the debate Actually, the fundamental shift is vehicles are becoming intelligent So they've got sensors to perceive the environment now, which they didn't have before So they're aware of the situations that are around them. That's the first thing And then the second thing is that they become drive-by-wire So all of the interfaces are now digitally controlled because the computer needs access digitally Previously it's all been physical steering wheel throttle and brake So when you put those two technologies together you open up complete like plethora of options anything from assisted To adapted to augmented to autonomous driving All of those become business choices service choices So there's technology that we've been looking at which could actually let's say have a brain computer interface from a paraplegia Who's just Influencing the behavior of the car controlling the car a tactical and strategic decision-making layer not at the physical operational layer What again talking about the goals the good the goals for good now I've read a lot that For example truck drivers in the States who often know their own trucks They're driving those and that it's actually good working-class jobs. Yeah with autonomous vehicles They could lose those jobs. What's your argument that you would use to counterpounce that? I think it's it's again. It's very interesting So we say electric connected and autonomous are the three pillars that are sort of changing the industry's focused on shared mobility as well But for us, they're the technology pillars that we're looking at so there has been some research to kind of look at well Can you move the truck driver? Can they actually go into an office environment and still be involved in driving the truck in moving that in moving those goods? Involved in remote communication to the vehicle so there's a load of different opportunities that are going to come up And you know, I don't know if I was a truck driver if I could go into a nine-to-five and still go home to my family as a lifestyle Potentially, that's a better lifestyle than being on the road all the time You know, I don't like driving. I just can't wait for this How much longer do you have to wait? I don't know. I love driving and that's what was fascinating for me You know, I don't really want to see an era where humans are sort of regulated off of the road You know for me, that's a dystopian environment this idea of like everything's fully autonomous in like in 30 years time There'll be no human drivers anymore For me, I don't I don't want to see that do I want to see every vehicle being intelligent Do I want to see every vehicle have an increased safety while I'm driving? Would I like to have an AI system looking over me making sure that I'm fully aware of the environment for sure But yeah that and that's really where I think if we're going to be looking at saving lives We need to focus so it's not just on self-driving technology. It's another issue actually Since the intelligent software will know where I've been to where I'm driving to protecting that data about my movements Yeah, I think you should have access and you should have rights over that data If you're an individual if you if it's a service if it's being provided by a Mobility company then there's also a question about should that data be shared or not So if you look at the airline industry if you look at accident statistics and accident information, that's shared It's shared without fear of Legal prosecution So it's shared in order to improve safety shared learnings And that's really where the industry the automotive industry will shift as we move to more mobility as a service Because that data now becomes available and it isn't about the person it is about the vehicle itself And I think that's a fascinating shift Um, it's your first time here. I think right now. I came to the last year. It was my first time Okay, so and have you found it worthwhile? Yeah, it's been an amazing event and to see to see how much the events grown from last year Like in the number of days and the number of people and the size of the venue is incredible and to maintain the quality of content at the event I think the organizers has done a fast fantastic job. So Thanks very much for your time. So there we had very welcome Talking to us about rubber race and you'll be seeing some rubber race competitions pretty soon. No problem. Thank you very much your time