 Hi, this is George Kow and welcome back to another kindred spirit conversation. I'm here with Val Nelson and Val you and I have known each other Going back at least till 2012 maybe earlier than that. Well, I've known of you since Prop I think we both started our businesses around the same time and I saw you early on. Yeah Yeah, you probably didn't know me until you know, I started connecting with you a few years later. Yeah, and I've I'm glad we've kept in touch with the years because we've experimented on a few little projects together and yeah now we are You know you and I are both seven years into our coaching business and so one of the one of the One of the talk about a couple things one is running groups So should we actually start with that? Well, should we say like what the two topics we want to talk about or should we do what happened? And then second one is I just want to ask you kind of what are some of the big Aha moments or lessons or things you've learned along the way that you think might be helpful for others Yeah, and you know, I'm gonna turn that around and I want you to have the same I'm a coach I ask questions Yeah, so which one would you like to start with? Yeah, let's do that. Let's talk about like what are Another way you put it. I think was like important lessons. We've gained from yes from being in business Okay, I was just actually in my one of my mastermind groups yesterday that I was leading Some people were way on vacation. So it was smaller than usual and I they ended up asking me a lot more questions about my own Business journey and they were like, man, we should do this more. We don't even know like how you started and we need this Information and I think it's just so valuable that we We share like what was it like when we got started, you know, because it just looks all shiny sometimes to other people and it's not only inside Sure wasn't in the beginning Definitely, okay. That's really good idea. So do you want to start with anything that that's on your mind about this? well, I'll I'll say two things that Because you gave me the question before so I already You like important lessons And one is that I am super resourceful I really have gotten in my bones how I can really trust myself. So even if I want to You know, I used to think I was very risk averse But here I am running a business and loving that whole thing and people think oh, man You're a risk taker, but I'm like, I don't believe in labels like risk taker and risk averse. I Think that sometimes we can rise to that and sometimes we can't in different situations. Everybody's got those areas But I've learned to really trust myself and that's what helps me quote be a risk taker Because I can go, you know what I always land on my feet I can look back and see that that is a true thing in my life. So maybe it won't always be the case But those odds are good for me And and to continue to trust in that is probably part of what helps me continue to do that It's that trust so so knowing that and having that in my bones is really helpful for me to go forward So is that something you think others can learn? I mean, I'll be good question So yeah, I mean, of course, there are certain things that happen in your life that Maybe you could say start with that like what what happened in your life Or what did you have to do to learn that to really viscerally learn that you can trust yourself? That you can true that you can trust yourself to land on your feet. Thank you said to me What a great question. I'm you know, it's hard to answer something that's been a lifetime and coming now. Yes, but I Think it's through I Bet everyone can learn it. Yes, because if you're alive you have been landing on your feet Yes, I mean, let's let's if you're alive and you're watching this Yeah, and even I mean even people who are maybe homeless right now They're probably on their feet in this in a certain way, right? So so much has to do with perspective And so for me, it's about bringing it to consciousness. So I've done all a lot of work of you know between therapy and coaching and all different types of healing modalities and things to really in spiritual things mindfulness meditation and I just I think all those things help me have helped me land in who I am and to trust that and to be able to look back and name things and to take take on those Take it on as something I can believe in Makes sense. Yeah, I like that you said go look back and name things because I think that's what all of us can do Yes, it's a bit of an inventory of our life's journey When we kept, you know, we got into a difficult situation But look it resolved itself or we we were able we had the resources inner resources Yeah, the outer resources came to us to be able to Right, and you obviously have that you're someone that I sense feels like you can trust that inner resourcefulness Yeah, I I do have to say that it hasn't always been this way even in the last seven years, of course Business owner I have had periods of a fear Um, but I You know like for example, and I think probably all of us can relate to this like if a if a client completes and doesn't renew or Right, if a if a launch campaign really doesn't and I'll tell you I've had More failures than most of my clients because you're a risk taker. That's why you try things. Yeah I launch and that's what I really one of the lessons I would say I've learned is that um It's almost like you you never know How the launch is going to go You can make guesses But I usually I'm surprised I'm usually surprised Funny thing is like having been a marketer for all these years Seen a lot of launches and when I say launch I mean anybody who is basically reaching out about oh, I can take clients now and I might have room in my programs or whatever. So that's a launch, right? Um, I'm usually surprised what either Nobody responds Like or very few people sign up or I'm surprised that Oh, I'm just I'm just going along and doing my thing and suddenly people are contacting me wanting to work with me Yeah, and so I've What I've observed from that Is I like to call it being a marketing agnostic I get I think I get you. Yeah, it's agnostic like I Like I would say in the spiritual realm. I'm I'm like far from being an agnostic But when it comes to business and marketing, I'm an agnostic like I don't know I just want to get it out there and gonna see what happens how the market responds I feel like the you know, it's like it's like you you let go and let God, right? Is that In business and marketing my lesson has been to let go and let the market Tell me so that's one of your big lessons. That's one of the Let go and let God and God speaks to us through the market in our business. Yeah Does this is marketable? Well, let them tell me Right. Yeah, I love it And and so I'm sorry go ahead I was just gonna say I think I and I bet you do too. I think I bring a A combination of Intuition to what what to put out there. Yes And so my energy something in me says this might work or at least worth trying and because whatever I learn Whether it doesn't work or not is going to be something I need And so it works See see more about that. What do you mean something you even if doesn't It's some information. I need to know if something in me is saying I need to put this out there Then I need to put it out there and if it doesn't if it doesn't work for someone else Then I've learned something that I needed Does that make sense? Yes. So therefore it's a success even if I didn't make money at it, right? Right But but it has to start there. It has to start with my intuition my heart whatever you call it soul alignment It has to start there and so you're not you're what you're saying is not just throwing anything out there I imagine you're you something is telling you this might work And so then the combination of this and how other people react it. Yes that combination Is what we're always trying So Do you do you want to share your process of how you get aligned to? Discover that a-ha idea or is it something that or do you have any tips for For others on this well Yeah, yeah, good good question. I'm I can't I'm dying to hear your answer to that So yeah, I had this thing happen recently where you know, it's summer and there was just For and also just like my own head was kind of in other places probably So all of a sudden it was just low in my business and I started to get into this clinch place about oh my god I'm not going to make enough money and I'm starting to dip into savings And I don't like that and there's not a lot of savings So this is It was a tense. I start I could feel myself tensing up Even though I had this thought of like I'm always resourceful. I always land on my feet It's just a low. It's just summer. This member fell this happened last June. This is Different though when you're experiencing it It's an opportunity to freak out or not freak out So I was like, okay Working that muscle again, and and so part of me wanted to go. Okay. How can I go get some clients? How can I go make some money? You know, those were some of the initial questions that came up And I heard someone say and actually in the wisdom perner's group Someone said what if you switch the question to how can I be of more service? That was the opening post that someone did and I decided to really take that to heart and go That does create a shift It creates a shift of coming from the heart instead of coming from the pure money focus It says how can I be of more service? And that might happen to make money and who cares almost like once I got into that place It was just the right place And it does lead to more abundance of whatever sort And so what I I kept asking myself that question For a few days and one morning right as I my best intuitive moments happen right when I'm waking up I might even like just ask a question. How can I be of more service? To you know my people. What do they need? And the question kept getting fine-tuned and it turned into what do my people need that I can easily Help with in a very short amount of time and a number of things had happened over the last couple days that told me Oh, my people tend to struggle a lot with pricing and packaging their heart-centered services And and I am good at helping with that in a short amount of space Yeah And so rather than just offering a bunch of one-off sessions I was like I can do that in a workshop where you come and you get it done Yes, virtual. I mean this is what poured out as I woke up. Wow The topic the format and even the price Came to me from another plane And I was like really that price No, let me ask you Do you feel like you did any preparation to allow that Those magical ideas to come to you. So in other words, did you Do Journal about it the night before you went this night before or ask the question I think I was I think I was just carrying the question like an inquiry just Kept carrying it and then it sort of naturally rolled off that morning. Like yes because I had been carrying You know Every morning I do Ask like, you know show me I'm literally I'm trying to connect with Soul guidance on a much more regular basis. Wait, wait a minute. I do Meditate every morning, but this is a specific Asking kind of like saying I'm open. Yes. I'm open to guidance. Yes, and sometimes I It all just shows up sometimes it doesn't and I still have to make decisions, but it's so nice when it comes like this The funniest part of that to me was the price. I'm like really you're gonna tell me the exact price And I was even against it and I kept trying to say no I want to charge more for this and you know because I was in this money Place and when I finally let go I was just like no, I really want to offer it for that Lower than I think price because it's going to somehow lead to something. It's going to help me Help more people that need it at that price or it's going to help me I don't know. I just knew I needed to trust it and yeah, that's what's happening Wow, and did you do the workshop already? No, it's coming up. I'm just starting That's what I was doing today, but I still need to finish Writing up the page for it for people to register and explain I've already floated it and I already have people saying put me on the list. I've I've been telling people about it That was the other signal. So I had a signal from me And then I mentioned it to three or four people and they all leaned in and went. Oh my god sign me up Yeah, so it's almost like I just have to make the registration page. Okay Yes, like two signs internal external go And uh, it's a virtual workshop. Yep. So people can be anywhere And so I'll be sure to put the link in the notes. Oh, oh cool. Yeah, I got to get that done. So you can't post this When are you that'll make me get it ready some I was I was thinking of posting it tomorrow Oh shoot, give me some. Okay. I could I could post it next week. I'll post it I could post when is the workshop? When's the start date? August 18th I can I can the next window is I'll probably post it By the week of august 8th if that's not too late. Oh, okay. Let me just use this as incentive to get it to you tomorrow There you go See another sign. Yes another sign Really, I I that's that's one of the that's one of the lessons I've learned along the way Also is that well, I've mentioned this a little bit, but I do believe that God our higher self Speaks to our business Through other people. Yes Not just through our own ideas, which you've already mentioned the the matching of the internal and the external And I feel like a lot of people Uh, especially visionaries idealists heart center people like the folks you and I work with. Yeah, can be too Too much emphasizing perhaps the internal guidance And and not realize not balancing enough with external Yes And and when I say external guidance, I don't mean like a business coach tells you to do this or a program gives you this formula No, no, I'm talking about observing and listening for oh so and so told me this today. How does that How how how does what kind of signal is this telling me about right? How does it the market that I should be going into or how I should shape my offerings? Or who is right for my offerings? Yeah, there's these couple of questions Yeah, and and so many times we try to do that from our heads You know and yeah So to me my heart is the instrument for that like do I feel resonance like literally feel it almost like when a song is in tune There's a visceral sense in our body, right? Yes your music if it's off like no, but if it's on you feel it It's kind of like that. It's it's happening here and it's happening out there. It's that connection I'm all about the blend. I think you are too. I think that's why we're kindred spirits Yes, yes, yes, yes absolutely so I want to ask you this about Workshop and maybe we can go into talking about groups is What have you learned? Over the years about running a good workshop Oh Or anything anything you want to share. I mean, I know A lot of times I like go through step by step, but just any any like aha moment or like oh a lot of people do this In a way that's not as effective or Yeah, I would say Well, you know my specialty is heart centered introvert Introverted soul pernurs. I call them s o u l pernurs And so it's really important to me that any workshop I lead is going to be introvert friendly Which is I would say most workshops are probably not So that's one thing I've learned is Okay, so how do I create a space where introverts are not going to bristle because Like a group that's too large a lot of introverts won't want to go to or if one person's dominating the conversation They probably won't like it if there's not time to think That doesn't feel right. So most meetings because our world is so extrovert dominant extrovert dominant our western culture is Um, most meetings are really kind of fast paced and you and you kind of have to interrupt in order to get a word in There's not time to think right and that's a very extrovert. That's a really comfortable place for an extrovert Right, that's really uncomfortable and jarring for an introvert in the way that we like to think Because we prefer to think first. So I do things in a workshop where okay, let's stop and write down and then we'll have a chance to share So just little things like that can go a long way for making it something that people Feel calm instead of rattled through the process And can actually get some thoughts done. Yeah You get things done and this workshop that i'm about to lead I'll definitely bring in some you know group guidelines for allowing room for silence and it's just to clarify It's virtual it is so people can attend from anywhere in the world. It's going to be Of right and access the internet. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, but this same thing would be true if I did it in person But this one i'm about to do I forgot what i was going to say You were talking about oh, I remember so the the format of this particular workshop is going to be a get it done workshop So we're going to meet in the morning. Yes, or whatever morning the first meeting I'm not sure where they're going to be in the world Morning for me and you know with some presentation and q&a and introductions And then they're going to have a chunk of time to go off and do some work On their own and and then come back and i'll have another opportunity in small groups with me to To get some questions or you know feedback on specific things are working on and then they can go off and do some work on their own again And then we all come together to wrap up at the end So there's ample time for working with the content on your own Interest so so it's it's three meetings And in the middle and then the end and then yeah the two periods in the middle are self-working times Yes, and this can't the reason that format came to me so easily is because I attended a workshop like that A few years ago that I really liked that format and I just thought how cool, you know, that's so cool I want to do that one day. I may borrow that. Yeah. Yeah, because I borrowed it from Stephanie Pollock and I don't know Maybe it was hers. Maybe she got it from someone else. Maybe it's a standard thing. Probably nothing new under the sun Probably, you know adam and e probably use that I think probably did that workshop That's brilliant So yeah, what about you? What what works for you when you read something? Um, what have you learned? Yeah It's just a good question. So what I I feel like The one thing I really excel at when I'm meeting a group is eliciting eliciting a community feeling Yes in a single meeting. Yes. Yes. And so I think I'm just really and maybe it comes from like years of Solo partnership and like really wanting people to say something like give me some feedback, you know, right? So I think from that I've just I just really like all right, you know, let's so from the very beginning of Let's say webinar or a meeting. I do everything virtually now. So it's all virtual and people people engage through the chat You know the typing chat. So I always tell people first To all right, you know, I'd love to know where you are attending this from in the world Oh, good. So please, you know, type into the chat where you are in the major Whatever major metropolitan area you are in the world so that we can kind of get a sense. Oh, you're from Chicago or you're from, you know, San Francisco or New York or South Africa or whatever, you know, and um, and then, um uh, when I um When I remember to do this Take a pause and I invite people to imagine Everyone in the room And just like almost like close our eyes and imagine we're kind of With each other maybe even holding virtual hands and yeah Um, I'm so glad you do that connecting hearts And I don't always do this so that I'm like reminding myself now like yes, you remind me me too Yeah, it's like connect connect the hearts and feel how grateful it is how much gratitude That we have this opportunity to be together And to send the positive intention for this meeting And it's like it's one thing to do this on your own But it's one thing when you have a group energy and I really do believe In there's an energetic There's an energetic connection that's invisible to the human eye Yes, I think one day our scientific instruments will be subtle enough to be able to sense it Yes, um, but I do you know believe it's there and so when we can have this energetic connection Uh, and then after that I may ask people to chat um, what is your You know give one word intention for how you like this how you like this meeting to go So it was a lot of positive You know, so so that's like a nice way to kind of start and one one lesson I learned years ago from a teacher is the teacher said If you get Your students to speak Early on in the class Yes, they're more likely to speak throughout the class. Oh, that's a great lesson. Yeah So so it's almost like you frame the very beginning with oh, it's okay for me to participate Yes, yes, and so I tell people All right for the rest of this usually it's like a lecture. I'm giving or a work or a webinar, right? So it's like for the rest of this webinar I invite you to take notes directly in the chat if you would like to Even if it's just a few words of something I said that you want to remember or something an idea that came to you that you want to Offer as well or a question feel free to just type it in a few words and press enter and Remember some some ideas as well. So yeah, so that's kind of I find that that's helpful and uh, oh one more thing I do that I think people love is When I like I do this in my client group now Um is when we have our monthly meeting Uh, and I have people introduce themselves just with one minute quick intro Um, I have everybody Type into the chat what they heard that They most appreciated or what they resonated most with them. Nice the introduction And any questions or confusions that they had that might want to be tweaked the intro tweaked so that it can address that or something And people love that. Oh, wow. I feel validated that wow. Yeah And so like however we can validate one another Yeah, that's great. You know, I wrote that down. That's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, so that's In my mastermind groups, which are small five people and I might even go down to four because this is so powerful um But I do things like what you're saying But when it comes to a larger format sometimes I have to think about like the other way of helping people feel included if it's you know, a lot of people, you know So I try to Have a go around if it's not too many or other ways of of being seen even if it's a lot Yes, yeah, I like I like these ideas. Yeah Yeah being seen and I would say however we can do to be validated help each other be validated By the group it's common. I almost or once reminds me of like Was it alcoholics anonymous or one of the groups, you know, right? Yes, all the 12 step Hi, my name is val. Hi val. Yeah, something like that So um, so you mentioned mastermind and uh, I know you have a virtual mastermind that you're going to be starting soon Yeah, well, I have it running all the time. You have a running and I have open enrollment every six months Oh, okay. So what does that mean open enrollment? Well, that means if there's if there's spots open um, it's an opportunity for new people to join so that it It has worked out pretty well that way that way people know when they start that they're with people that It's easier for them to open up if they know these people are going to be with them for a while Okay, and then and then if there's new people entering they all enter at the same time And so that's just the format. I'm using now. I don't think it's the only way to do it. So um if So are people committing to six months or the yeah, they are committing. Okay. They're six months together and So let's say that a group of four goes through six months And then two of them decide they want to continue They know it's open enrollment so they know that it's going to be two Obviously two new people that they might not join right and that that that works. Okay Well, I'll tell you one thing I do that I think helps put people at ease is um After the first meeting it's a Guarantee if they've paid if if after the first meeting they feel like oh, I just can't be part of this group Something about it doesn't feel right. They can get their money back. Right. So Um, so and that's true each time So even if they've been around a while, but for some reason the new the new Group isn't their thing. They still have that guarantee So that way they feel it's just one little thing that can put them at ease when when they sign up again, right? That's good. That's really good. Um What do you uh So these these are virtual masterminds. Is there any any tip or lesson you want to share from running a virtual mastermind? Um, what seems to be working well I really like the format that we're using for the meeting that I like Oh gosh, there's there's a lot of things because I've been doing it for a few years So I've like each time I do it. I kind of tweak a new thing like oh that went really well Let's do turn up the dial on that or something. So yeah, so the um one thing that I'm actually asking this I'm I'm just Starting to run masterminds virtually Oh, cool. Okay. I've done everything virtuous. I'm just actually starting to run masterminds like yeah Oh, I thought you'd been doing it a while. Maybe they were larger groups. They were always larger groups and now for the first time I'm running a small I'm right now. I have two That's three Two and maybe three, but um, but yeah, what what is your I'm figuring this out right now. So what what's working? What's working? Here's what I am liking Meeting twice a month an hour and a half for those meetings I keep it to no more than five people and like I said, maybe even four this next time Everyone gets to talk each time in a You know, but there's also a topic that I bring each time So and on top of that during the six month This last one. I'm not sure what I'm going to do for the next one. I'm going to decide before I watch it Um I've included two individual sessions. I'm thinking about including three in the next Because I've seen how powerful the combination of individual and group sessions is and I I just Want them to have that I want them to and what I noticed when I didn't include it at all and it was just the groups The group meetings They were shot They meet there was things that would get stuck and I knew it We could just release that in one Individual session and they would get shy about Investing in that because they thought they already invested You know, they spent all that money on Coaching and so they were afraid to do this one little thing that could make a huge difference And so I'm like, I'm just going to include it I'll add a little bit to the price and then they've already invested in and then People who have tried it both ways are like, I'm so glad you included it because I would have I would not have scheduled it and I see the difference that it's making for me. So I'm really glad I did that. I would recommend considering that That's a good that's a good tip. I just include it Yeah, just included Yeah, and then I also added in Um a website review because that's a talent of mine that I I can look at a website and see like what's you know, some of the blocks for it getting better results And so I included that as one of the bonus items You know, so just and that's been fun for me to do and that that's another session because They send me You know what they're looking for and then we go over it on in a session. So they're really getting Right now they're getting three sessions because they get the two regular coaching sessions plus the website review And what uh, do you want to share anything about the format of the meetings themselves? Yeah, yeah, so the opening And I get everybody's buy-in on this The opening of each meeting is like a opening mindfulness thing kind of like what you said about in that imagine But i'm getting them to ground themselves and also to notice What they're bringing with them and what they're longing for And then I get them time to write down Something to help them arrive and then there's a short go-round for everyone to be heard right away So it's very short like a one minute go-round of like where are you at what's going to help you arrive Something you've been waiting to tell us Like that. So I really like that format Those two pieces really help set the tone and and that's part of what I how I describe the group Like this is going to be a place where you can finally kind of breathe and be with your people So I start us off breathing And that's been a good thing And then and then the topic Like the other day it was about pricing and packaging and money issues around that And so they were that ended up in a juicy discussion Sometimes that takes up the bulk of it But I make sure everyone has a chance to be part of that discussion But usually it's a topic and then a go-round Um Where they get to share like a celebration and a challenge around that topic and an opportunity to ask for feedback or help with something It doesn't have to be on topic if they're launching a workshop say it's An opportunity to talk through like what's going on and Um and to ask for referrals or you know, so they're really there for each other in a community way And then at the end I do one more go-round and ask them to First write down Yes, and then say What are you taking away from today or or and or do you want to say an intention for the group? You know intention going forward that you want the group to witness And then I encourage them to make plans with each other so that they are really getting into each other in a deep way and building community It's not just in the group, but one on one as well. Yes That makes a huge difference. I would definitely add that encouragement like buddy connections Right, right? That's really not just one person if it was a large group. I would say pick one person that you stay with but I have the mix it up. So they're getting to know everybody. Yes So no one's left out. Yes. Yes. That's really good. I like that. Wow You've just given the blueprint for At least the way it's working for me and my people So maybe some people watching this will want to join yours to see how it's how it's run from me. I hope so. Yeah So I'll I'll include the link Okay. Yeah, that that link is almost ready too. I'll get that ready tomorrow too. Okay, so there will be two links And I'll include it. That's awesome. Yeah, the workshop might be a good way for people to get to know me But they can also just hop on a phone call with me to get to know me and talk about the group. Oh, that's nice Okay, so we're out for that. Yeah. Yeah, I like I It's not just anybody can join. I really want to help Make sure it's a good match So I like to get to know people and let them get to know me That's yeah, so I'll I'll share with you quickly what my format is right now good as a newbie and I'm going to definitely be borrowing some elements from what you've said. Oh cool. I'm happy to share more later if you want okay, um, so I right now it's very simple like I basically have My masterminds are either just two people or three people in a group maximum of three minimum of two They're simple and if there's two people then we meet only twice a month One hour each and if there's three people we meet three times a month one hour each And so on each meeting Uh, it's split into half an hour half an hour. The first half hour is when Oh, I should say the second half hour we deep deep dive. I guess into one person's business Okay, so one person each month. Yes, each person gets once a month. Exactly. They get a deep dive And then first half so that's the second half is half hour deep dive Into one person and then the first half is the other Two people let's say we have three people then the other two people So if if there was only a two person mastermind, then it would be 1545 15 minutes the other person checking in but there's two three people then it's Half an hour half an hour in the the first half hours. Basically about 12 15 minutes each person share what their any any celebration Any particular learning and any challenge that they're facing right now and we can do a really quick kind of coaching and and what I'm what I'm learning what I'm trying to do better is I'm trying to Particularly in the shorter checking times Uh, I'm trying to uh to keep that person's sharing somewhat limited Because I want the others to chime in with their feedback or their validation Yeah, because my belief is that The the network grows stronger the mastermind is more feels more connected when Each person is able to opinionate on the others Yeah um, even if they're Like my temptation, of course, I want to tell them what I think As the great right, but I feel like discipline Right is I feel like the others chiming in about each others has more benefit for everyone because they're more they feel more connected And actually most of the time when I find that I shut up and let the others chime in your ideas are usually better than I wouldn't have thought of that. That's a really good idea You know and so that's the amazing thing about groups so much more can happen than than just one on one It's pretty so cool. This is really cool. Yeah, so But but I really like how you how you start and how you end it And so I think I'm gonna I'm gonna test that out. Oh, yeah, I think the start and ending is really important Yeah, people don't know what they just learned unless they stop and think about it sometimes and write it down and name it And it's amazing what I hear and that that closing circle of what are you taking away from today? It's often not at all what I expected, but it's powerful and it's helpful for me to see what I do that in my individual sessions too. I always end with what are you taking away from today? Oh, I like that and it's really good information for me and good for them to Learn it from themselves, right? It lands. Yeah That's interesting. Um So I want to share with you a A new kind of Thing I'm launching and I want to give you a quick feedback on it. All right, so um I I'm creating this facebook group. It's a it's a private facebook group. So basically I have I guess I have three services I have the one to one Coaching and I have after mine and then this third third one is a bit larger And I wasn't sure how large it was going to be but I just had this vision yesterday That it's this third group is just going to be um a secret facebook group where I I show up Basically five times a week five days a week to provide support and encouragement and provide some accountability Setting intentions and things like that Um, and we meet once a month on a group call It's actually already running, but I'm kind of relaunching it. Okay, and I'm going to limit to just 24 people And it's just going to be 100 125 a month 24 people only And I'm going to I'm going to require that the people be active and active will be figured out over time What that means. Yes, I like active is probably They post their updates at least twice a month where they're talking about their celebrations learning and challenge um And twice a month they post that update and they also at the same time comment on three others updates I like that. So so then that's one part of being active the second part of being active is to be Having a virtual coffee with every Person in the group over the course of a year Uh-huh, right. Oh to a month. Yeah, just to a month. That's it and maybe just half an hour, you know and that way To know so like I want to I want to create a group where people feel truly safe It's a values-based group. So we have high high sense of what business and marketing can be and They trust each other They they really share and they really benefit from the support the camaraderie the encouragement and the resources shared there and my vision is that it's just going to be 24 people so that It all Inevitably there's going to be more people who want to join and I'm going to encourage someone in the group to start an off an offshoot of their own And then they probably they can monetize it too. So Uh, I'm going to be connect. I'm not going to be taking a cut from that. I'm just they're going to start their own group They can model off what I'm doing and I'll refer new people to them And so my my vision my dream is It'll just be multiplying and they there can be as many groups as Are needed in the world to support entrepreneurs I love the idea so that yeah, I thought of something like that once before and I think because not all my clients are coaches. So it's Yeah, so that sort of multiplying thing. It's not always what they want to be doing, you know Like what what's coming out of us is not necessarily what they want to do Yes, but still they would have the model and they would be spreading the love and whatever way Well, if you if you enroll at least one coach in there, then It should be the sort of the next generation Right, but even if that didn't happen Those people are going to be going out in the world in a better way because of the connections They would have you know what I mean, whatever that is. There's the ripple effect on some level, right, right? Of course, or you wouldn't be doing it But so what was your question? Any feedback you have on on on that or how how might you Well, I think my first question was are there going to be 24 people on the monthly call? Like is it one meeting for everybody? So I'm thinking about Um, yes, it's one meeting for everyone Uh, now you've actually inspired me to do a possible second monthly call where maybe I'm thinking Why not do the workshop type format that you're talking about? Probably get it done. Yes. Like I'll get it done day, you know, like Yeah, something like that. That's that's a cool idea. Um Yeah, that's part of why I'm trying on this get it done workshop idea because I'm thinking about starting a community where this That might be one of the things Right every other month or something. Yeah, I get it done thing. Yes. Yes. I just have to find out first if I like it Yes, that's why I'm keeping the price low because it's an experiment. Yeah. Well, I look forward to Looking at it when the link's available Yeah, let's keep talking about this thing because and I'll be curious to see what you discover because I keep wanting to Do a community like that and just I keep going well this well Maybe that and maybe it's just not time for me to do it because my head keeps spinning The numbers and the price and what's included Yes, so many parts to it. Oh, I I I'm sure I'll learn a lot I mean we should probably do it do a reprise in maybe six months so that we can share Yeah, that'd be great Did we cover everything we wanted to do? Of course, we'll never be done. Yeah, um anything else Uh Anything else you want to be sure we mentioned before we adjourn the recording? um Well, I'd love to say like how we ended up on this call because There was something you were doing and I was just like George. I just need to tell you what, you know, you're you're such a genius at teaching and like you have Such a way of just like pouring out to you just you're such a commitment. You can't even help yourself I'm just teaching teaching teaching and I just wanted to encourage you to like let that be what leads, you know, like let that be The thing that you're bringing, you know, like I think you were there was something I heard you say in one of these calls where I felt like you were questioning This online community thing. I was like, let it be a teaching community. It doesn't have to be like a Some other format about your teaching genius Uh So I don't know if that was just I just wanted to remind you of that but that's what I see I love it. I appreciate that very much It's so helpful To to be validated by peers that we respect Yeah, yeah it's obvious it's Like a leading strength for you because you can't help it. It just keeps pouring out the amount of content that you give Because you just so want life to be easier for people And I I've definitely I send my clients to some of what you're teaching because I just don't have the ability to teach I appreciate that I would say just to Turn that around. I think um, it seems to me that one of your Gifts is to recognize others geniuses. Yes That's what that's what makes my work so fun is I just I see I see genius so easily or just like the magic in somebody and I can help them see it and help them Bring that to the forefront of their Of their work or their life, you know and just you know and often and one of my early clients said to me I'm realizing that the thing I thought was my worst trait is actually my superpower And that is often the case So that's that's the thing we don't see that's often our best genius Yeah, I think there's something wrong that we should be doing this, you know, I'm too quiet. I'm too Whatever too caring or you know bleeding heart or something But like let that lead and let it be a strength And we're just going to be so much happier So yeah, I could go on and on about that, but we've already gone on to Yeah, no, this is perfect perfect Well, I will end the recording there and I'll just encourage everyone to look at the links attached to this video to check out the Workshop that you're doing on pricing and packaging Yeah, I get a done day and the and it's virtual workshop and also the virtual mastermind group that you're gonna Yeah, the introvert sole printer Yeah, I'd love to hear from more folks Thank you George. You're welcome Such a pleasure