 that's right, new year, same house, same mistakes. We're gonna have a lot of fun talking about everything that's gonna be coming up very, very soon. And in just a little bit, we will be talking about the sort of thumbnail of what we have today, which is Vulcan. That's right, United Launch Alliance is very long overdue. Answer to SpaceX and Falcon 9 is finally going to be flying tonight, possibly for the first time. So very, very excited for that. And I think we're gonna probably start with that. First of all, I'm Jared gonna be sort of being a little bit of the discussion quarterback today. And then to my other direction here is Dada, right in the middle, Dada is our technical side quarterback for today. And then all the way on the other side is Ryan, who is going to be our discussion, I guess wide receiver today. Sorry to throw American football terms at you, Ryan. And you too, Dada- I have no idea what you're talking about. That's all right, I don't either. I was gonna say frankly, me too, because I don't even really watch football. So why don't we just cut the sports and head in straight to space. Ryan, we got something that's a little bit big happening tonight, possibly. Let's hold on that. What do you mean? We promised, we teased in our last show that we were going to talk about all the things that we're excited for in 2024. Yes. Let's leave that one to the end just cause it's like- Yes, thank you. We're gonna get our attention up. People need to have a reason to stick around. So see, this is the great thing which is that if I had a thing in my ear, Dada would be able to say, no, don't talk about that yet. Don't talk about that yet. No, don't talk about that yet. But Dada's not in my ear so he gets to do it on air and then I get to turn his red as a tomato. As I realized that I literally was just like, we're gonna talk about that later, but first- We just said that. Again, New Year's, same mistakes. So everybody, we're all excited- Cut, cut, cut. We'll take it from the top. We'll start over. It's fine. Yeah, I think, I don't think that's how live shows work. Here, but here, yes. So all of y'all, 2024 is going to be a very, very busy year in space. 2023, as we talked about last week, absolutely off the chain. It was the busiest space flight year in human history. Nothing has come close to everything that went down last year. Max, most amount of launches, most amount of payloads deployed. Oh my God, it was just, every superlative that you could throw in the world of space flight happened last year. So- What a time to be alive. 2024, yeah. I mean, if you were excited several years ago, man, it just, it's just getting back, it gets better and better every year. And 2024 is looking to possibly, thank you, Gump, is looking to possibly surpass 2023. And we've got a lot to look forward to. What are you all looking forward to? Working. Well, not everybody at once, so please. I know that there's so many things to choose from, but, you know, don't everybody get with that. What do we have coming up? Give me a rundown of what we've got coming up. Okay, well, obviously, Vulcan, we're, oh my gosh, we're almost like 13 hours as of this recording, away from that. What else, what else do we have? Well, I will just say this. ISRO is like the India Space Research Organization. They are just accelerating into a wheelhouse that I've just never seen a space agency like hit. Like, they just launched a X-ray polarization astronomy called X-Posat. They just successfully, just yesterday, successfully inserted their solar mission. I believe it's pronounced, Adi, it's A-D-I-T-Y-A-Dash-L-1. So, I'm not even gonna cry. It just rolls off the tongue. It is Sanskrit for sun. So there you go. But that is their spacecraft that they have that is out at L-1 and is gonna study the sun. ISRO's just doing a lot of stuff. They're gonna hopefully fly a uncrewed mission of their crewed spacecraft at some point this year. So, they're not the newest kids on the block, but they sure are stepping up into places that some countries have been at a level of Russia. And just kind of becoming, I think, the number three in the world right now. All right, I just did a quick search and the first place it brought me to was PBS. And there's six space, and I, Jared, how dare you? There's six space missions to look forward to in 2024. Well, yes, I haven't gotten to that yet. Why don't you know these off the top of your head? There's Europa Clipper, Artemis II. Yes. Viper to search for water on the moon. Yes. Actually, there's a whole host of lunar missions that are gonna be housing. Lunar trail blazer and prime one missions. You're gonna have to pick a lot. Nova Sea, Blue Ghost. You want me, shall we just continue throwing off the lunar missions that are coming up? Jaxus Martian Moon Exploration Mission. ESA's HAIR mission. Yeah, oh yeah. Go into Diddymos to look at Diddymos' moon, Dimorphos, or the moon formerly known as Diddy. All right, so how are we back on Oolah's Vulcan already? Let's talk about those. What are you excited about? What are they? Well, to kind of chat about them a little bit, we could start at Europa Clipper, which I believe is the first one that you mentioned. Which if you can right now, go get a tour at JPL because Europa Clipper is in their spacecraft assembly facility and you can go see it in person, which I may or may not be doing very shortly here. Europa Clipper are gonna be sending a spacecraft to go study Jupiter's moon Europa up close in situ as it orbits around the planet. And it's gonna launch this year on a Falcon Heavy and launch in October, so it's gonna be a nice birthday present for me. It's gonna make several flybys actually of multiple moons, but the focus is on Europa. It's gonna do two flybys of Io and four flybys of Callisto, but Europa, that is the one that we are focused on. So, and it's gonna be having at least eight flybys anywhere ranging from about 3,600 kilometers above the surface, all the way down to as low as 200 kilometers above the surface of Europa, which is gonna be unbelievably close considering, I don't believe Galileo, which was spacecraft of Jupiter from 1995 to 2003, got anywhere close to that there, I could be wrong and if I am, someone in the comments will absolutely correct me today. So, it's there to study, see if Europa has any habitability to it, and it is looking to try to find three things, which is liquid water, chemistry and energy, like let's officially confirm Europa for liquid water, let's look at the chemistry that's occurring that we can actually see and where's that energy coming from, to kind of figure that out. So, ice, we got ice, shell and ocean, what is the composition of everything and then what's the geology that makes it tick? So, that's kind of how it works. So, hard part about that, you're flying through that big donut that is a unbelievably potent field of radiation around Jupiter, so it's gotta dip in and come through and kind of work with that there. But I'm actually, I'm just getting a correction now from myself, which is actually, it's not gonna be eight flybys of Europa there, that would actually be Galileo itself, so I was reading out Galileo, I got them confused there. So, Galileo did eight flybys of Europa, it's closest being 186 kilometers. Europa Clipper, as you can imagine, well focused on Europa, will be doing 44 flybys of Europa during its three and a half year mission, ranging anywhere from as high as 2,700 kilometers to get this skimming the surface of Europa at 25 kilometers, two, five kilometers above the surface. So, that is razor thin, that is unbelievable that you can use that kind of precision. Oh man, that's at the speeds that you're moving at, that's a couple, like you are arriving where you need to be within a couple of seconds. That is absurd with that there, amazing. I reckon they could get it closer. This is JPL we're talking about. I think maybe 10, if they do 10, I don't know, I can't get them anything, but it's a challenge. It's like an X prize, but there's no prize. It's just an X, so it's Twitter. You win Twitter, if you can get to say 10 kilometers with Europa Clipper, you win Twitter. I would say JPL's reputation is a fair prize to be fought for. Yeah, honestly, yeah. If there are several people that we always say don't bet against in the spaceflight industry, and JPL is an entire institution that you do not bet against, because the whole point. They still get a hard time for a conversion error, so. They do, which, reading up on it, not entirely their fault, but then again, you are in the loop for something like that, like it is on you. You're on the hook. You are supposed to triple and quadruple, check your work, and nobody's perfect, right? There's, we've got that, we've got Mars Polar Lander and some other stuff, but also, yeah, S-Cup says it perfectly. They under promise on the impossible and that they over deliver. JPL is that group of people that you say don't do that, and they say, oh yeah, watch this, and then they make it happen, and then not only do they make it happen, they make it happen over and over and over again, and then, oh, they find. For 10 years longer than you thought you were going to, they were going to make it happen. And not only do they figure out how to do the impossible, the next time they do it, it's like 50% more efficient. So, like. Right. It's just such a great group of people. That is not an institution to bet against. They have as, I think it's Adam, one of my personal favorite engineers in the history of engineering, Adam Steltzner, described people who work at JPL as the right kind of crazy. So, which I told, which knowing many people that work at JPL, yes, that is a correct way of describing everybody at JPL, who were right kind of crazy. So, I'm looking forward, that's what I'm looking forward to. Outside of the eclipse on April 8th, which is not space flight related, but I do recommend if you're in the United States, get yourself into the path of totality for that. I'm gonna hopefully firm up my plans to go to Dallas, Texas for that so I can watch it from there. But ultimately, you know, go, if you're close enough to the path of totality, that you can make it within two days, what are you doing? You gotta go, you gotta go experience it. Highly recommend it. And that'll be Monday, April 8th. And so, you know, three months from now, coming up. Mark your calendars. Yep, my calendar has been marked for almost a decade. So, that's what I'm excited about this year. There's a lot to come up. You guys, I mean, do you all want some more? Cause I can keep throwing some more at you. Which is that, you know. How about one from Ryan? Ryan, what are you excited about in 2024? Hopefully some kind of launch from the UK. I don't care who it is. I mean, if it's RFA, it won't even be counted as a UK. It'll be in Germany in statistics, but I don't care. Just any of them. We tried that. Any of them. I want them to happen this year. We tried that, it didn't work. I know, I mean, this is coming up on Tuesday. It'll be the one year anniversary of being really cold in the middle of the night in the southwest of England. So, that's a note. It's not something I'm really looking forward to, but there you go. But yeah, I just want, you know, launches that go vertically from Shetland or Scotland. It would be nice, you know, would just be nice. I'm not, I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm confident that it's going to happen this year because there's no indications that it will or won't for that matter. But, you know, it would be nice if they could get a move on and launch some rockets. Just wait in for a little while now. Do they have anything on the books? Anything scheduled? Any customer? They still need to get hardware. If we, no, Siri, I don't want to talk to you. Thanks. ROF is still in their testing phases. SCARORA is still in their testing phases. Everybody else, I don't think we've actually seen anything that's, you know, even potentially could fly. So, we're still waiting to see things. ABL are working to return to flight still. I mean, their mishap report has been wrapped up, but they seem, at least from their, what they've been releasing to the press, they seem to be more wanting to flex there. We can launch from anywhere. We can launch on a barge. We can launch from the middle of a road. We can launch from anywhere kind of thing than like launching from a fixed infrastructure. But, hey, if ABL wants to launch, I wouldn't complain about ABL launching. Don't underestimate how difficult it is to launch from a different country. No way. Anybody here's gonna know. Yeah, yeah. Oh boy, regulatory environments. That's a fun one. We could do a whole show about that. Adam. Adam Baker, do it. Do it. Yes, do it. Go do it. Do it. What are you waiting for? Do it. Do it. You know, in the middle of the night. Or AirVals. AirVals looking at, looking up the nearest hardware store so that they can start building something for launching from Shetland. Oh boy. I also saw many comments earlier that a lot of people are excited for Starliner. Oh! Do you wanna just go around and see who actually thinks Starliner will actually launch this year? Or if it's gonna inevitably get delayed again, perhaps? I mean, hopefully the door works. That's what I'm gonna say. Yeah, I'm just gonna say that. Real quick, real quick. Chris Park caught me. What is it? 7th? Is that like, 2st? April 2st? Yes. So, very nice. Yeah, that's a lot. AirVals asking, how many ISS docking windows do we have this year? So, I don't know. Actually, I don't know if we're privy to that kind of information. So, I mean, you could probably calculate it, but at the same time, I don't know if that's like public side info. Well, we're probably gonna have four dragons. Couple sicknesses. Cygni, sicknesses. So, probably a couple soy users. Cygne. Soy eye. And a couple pro-progresses. Cygni. Cygni. Progressaws. Progressive. So, it's probably gonna be like eight-ish, maybe. You might be able to toss Starliner. Starliner's test flight in there as well, maybe. Starliners? Maddie says they're excited for Star Launches this year. Yeah, I think Starliner launches this year as well. So, I don't suspect that the door issue on the 737 MAX9 is gonna translate to a capsule. But, you know, yeah, thank you, Chris, as everyone's gonna make the joke now about that. I really do hope that everything is smoothed out because there are people on it. So, my joking is not necessarily going to be as high, if at all, about this mission. Aravail says, you're the bet that Starliner makes it this year, though I'm not betting even more than $3 on it. So, I guess it's one you'd wanna do a beer bet with, right? So, like, sure, I'll buy you a beer. So, oh, Bennett, NASA is stuck with them, in sickness and in health. Oh, kid, I don't want to hear a Bennett. So, Bennett, Bennett, Bennett, our current winner. And Dream Chaser, how can we forget our favorite little lifting body friends? From down the street, I think, wherever they are in, is it Reno or Colorado? It's one of those places. One of those places. Colorado. I know that, well, at least I know they have a place in Colorado, because we saw pictures from there. I thought they also had a place in Reno, but that might be something entirely different for that there, so. But anyways, yeah, Starliner is ready for Mark Watney. So, that's true. And then, R.R. Bell saying, very excited for Dream Chaser indeed. I think we all are very excited for Dream Chaser. And then, I feel like a lot of that comes from the fact that, you know, it's just, it's a shuttle, so. Right? It's a little itty-bitty shuttle. Everybody loves a little itty-bitty shuttle. Hey, there it is. Look at it. It's all folded up. It's ready to go. It's so exciting to see it. And then, did we have the name of it yet? Tenacity. They give it a fish. Tenacity. Oh my gosh, I love it. It's so cute. Like, not only does it look cute, it's got a cute name. And it's just, like, tenacity that sounds like something I'm at name, like a Yorkie terrier that just, like, grabs a toy three times its size and is just doing that thing where it can, you know, probably, you know, probably, you know. So, like, it's, like, it's reaching for something bigger than itself and it's exceeding at it. So, yeah, it's good. It's good. I like it. Yeah. Ben, it says, Dream Chaser and Dynetics Alpaca are sitting somewhere having a beer making plans. Yeah, it's, what is up with Dynetics Alpaca? Are they still going with it? Or, what is, what's going on with it? Cause I remember I really liked that. I liked Alpaca. So, which for anyone wondering, the Alpaca is a lunar lander that was a part of the competition to get, to figure out the human landing system. So, Alpaca was really cool. I like, I like the idea. And also, Alpaca, how do you not like an Alpaca? Like, it's just, it's Alpaca. It didn't look anything like an Alpaca. It didn't. In no way did it resemble an Alpaca. It was a tube with some engines on it and some landing eggs. And that's all it was. There was nothing else. Yeah, but everyone loves an Alpaca. Just don't stick your face in its face and we'll be good, right? So, like, you know, Alpaca, Lama, goats, they're like really, I feel like all three of those are underrated and they're great. So, I just basically wanted to have it because I wanted to say that there's an Alpaca on the moon. That's it. That's the only reason. I want to, Ardvale, a question for you, Ryan, is asking, is the Alpacas in the UK? In zoos. Ah. In zoos and things like that. That's what I mean. Oh, okay. They're not with the lions and stuff. Okay. Ardvale's saying, I doubt they're moving forward since they didn't get the contract. Yeah, that is one of the things. Aerospace is, of course, littered with the bodies of good ideas that just didn't get money. Yeah. Oh, don't say that. But DreamChaste had lost the commercial crew contract but yet kept developing and managed to get the CRS-2 contract. So, I doubt there'll be an HLS-3 considering all of the fiasco that went on with Blue Origin. Basically, kind of demanding NASA to do a second HLS contract just so they could win it. But, you know, if there is an HLS-3, maybe Dynetics will put a bid in or maybe Starship will win it again. Who knows? Yeah. And what is it? Bennett had a really good one, which was talking about, yeah, to see them funded because they're the closest in some way because they're really the closest that they think. Also, Bennett had a good one about the national team a little further back. There we go, the national team or whatever they're called. Just looks huge like the original direct asset idea that got replaced in favor of Lunar Orbit rendezvous. So, yeah. That's kind of how that, that's kind of how that goes. Okay, everybody is now telling, in our comments is telling us about alpacas, real alpacas. Congratulations on your wild beavers in the UK. But everybody's telling us about alpacas. Thank you so much. We appreciate the alpaca love for you all. They're apparently completely native in zoos. So, that's a heck of a, that's a heck of a phrase. That's a heck of a way to say they're all in penny zoos. So, I- Come for the space excitement, stay for the alpacas. I guess, that's right. We give the people what they want. And today they are clearly asking for the finest of the undulates that you can get wool from. So, I think they're undulates. I don't know. Anyways, this, welcome to nature, welcome to nature walk. So, Ben, Benjamin's now asking, do you have hedgehogs in the US? I don't know. Do we have hedgehogs in the US? Does the US have hedgehogs? I don't know. There's a- We have them in zoos. This comment is very British. Oh my God. John T says they've been to the most northernly house on Unst, there's a distillery next to the spaceport. Let's go. Well, when everything goes down the train, you know where to go. And when everything goes really well, you know where to go. Shout out to the Great Western Hotel that put us up last year. And they have on Facebook advertising a buy five, get one free offer at their steam bar in Cornwall. At their steam bar? So, first of all, let me ask, what is the steam bar? Steam is the name of the bar that's inside the hotel. Oh, okay. So, they were saying buy five drinks to get one free. Buy five, get one free. Can I give it be six people? We buy five for each of us and one for somebody or is there like a British requirement that says you have to buy five for yourself and then you're allowed the one. I don't know how this works. I mean, the way I experienced it, you buy five in one night and that's the last one is free and then you go, ah, gotcha, gotcha. Understood. I'm not sure about all the details of their offer. Well, I'll take the finances and we can- Go visit them. Yeah, I'm sure that'll go over well. I've already made enough people in America mad at me. Tell them Virgin since you. Yeah, do I want to say that, though? No. Or are they gonna ask me about bills? So- Don't make you pay up for it. I was about to say, I don't think I should have, that feels like one of those things where it's like, maybe I should have not said that as blatantly as I did. Anyways, but I said it, no one else said it on the show, just to clarify that. Distillery fuel plant, it's very, very true. Yeah, Sakura's light there, tell them Virgin sent to you. Hey, you still have not paid your tab. Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah. Well, there's always, they take Zell on a cash app or what else are we using nowadays? Can we start and go fund me for them? Perhaps. Works for us. The one you have issue with is a citizen of your country, not mine. What's up? I don't understand. The one that you have issue with is a citizen of your country, not mine. Oh, okay, my country. Not your country, their country. Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha. Oh, actually, Ben, it's asking a really important one here, which is, is there a Virgin branded cash app? So. I'm not sure. There was. Because it's going through the five million companies that Virgin, that is in the Virgin group. Yeah, there is Virgin money. I don't know that kind of thing. There's Virgin bet, Virgin casino, here we go. Here it comes. Are these out of business? It's Virgin money and Virgin money, Australia. So, you know, both sides of the world. Oh, they're shops, that's not an app. I think the answer is no. There we go, problem solved. Okay, well if they did, they probably sold it to a company in the Mojave who's completely rebranded their colorful logo to just black and white. So, I mean, not you say this, as a comment, I don't understand there, which is how about the Star Trek, I'm assuming that's original series, Blocking to Night's Launch. This is news to me. There's the original series, Blocking to Night's Launch. I did not realize that, that had, yeah, that's, okay, are we talking about like it's playing so you can't watch it in your neighborhood or something like that? I don't know. So I wonder if United Launch Alliance is gonna have a new sort of like webcast for that. So I'm very interested in that. I'm gonna guess. No. So that sounds like what might happen at the same time. Oh, okay, me not you is saying the human remains right, the cremation. So apparently some of the original series actors, some of their cremated remains are, are they on Vulcan or the Lander or both? Both. So Syrestis, which is the company that organizes it has a, they have a payload on the center and then they have a payload on the lander. So I'm not sure if they're gonna like eject everyone, like of Centaur or something. Like I don't know if it's gonna be like a small sack, like deploy a thing, or if it's just gonna stay attached to Centaur, which is gonna put itself in heliocentric orbit. I don't know, but it's gonna be something around those lines. So the lander will land on the moon, the Centaur will end up orbiting the sun. Is this what the First Nations had issues with recently? Yes. Well, what their issue is what they were polluting the moon? I'm not entirely sure. I think it was something to do with like the moon is sacred, something along those lines. They had previously discussed things with NASA. NASA isn't keeping up their end of the deal, something along those lines, but I don't, I don't know all of the details. So I'm not gonna, you know, like, accuse anyone of anything because I don't know, so. Yeah. That's an answer to that would be a particularly sensitive topic is me not you saying essentially desecration of the moon with that there. I do want to point out that this would not be the first time. Okay. So Chris Parr is also saying that they believe the human remains desecrate the sacredness of the moon with that there. This isn't the first time that there would actually be human remains on the moon. I believe Jean Shoemaker, who was a planetary geologist in very influential one in the sixties all the way up to his passing in the nineties. His remains were on board of a mission called Lunar Prospector in the late nineties, which is actually what helped discover signatures of water ice on the moon at that time. And that had some of his ashes on board. So I guess to say, I guess just to throw that out there. Yeah. Oh, Arville. Yes, so. After NASA sent Shoemaker's ashes to the moon, they agreed to consult the Navajo Nation before doing it again, although this isn't technically NASA. So maybe NASA is holding up their bargain. And this is the, it's not NASA not holding up NASA's bargain. From what I've read and watched, I saw like a three minute CNN interview. So this isn't, you know, don't take this to be gospel, but the, I think from NASA's perspective, it's a private payload, it's, I guess, this is private payload on Astrobotic's private lander. However, from the Navajo Nation's point of view, NASA, the lander is a mission contracted by NASA as a part of the commune of Lunar Payload Services to contract. So by that point, because it's being contracted by NASA, it's still NASA's responsibility to hold up their end of the bargain, even though, from NASA's point of view, it's a private payload on a private lander because the Celestis payload and the Astrobotic lander, that collaboration isn't to do with NASA. But the reason that the lander is going to the moon is because of NASA, if you understand what I'm saying here. So it's kind of like, Astrobotic are kind of doing it. So to, because Celestis is obviously paid Astrobotic on behalf of the remains, the people remains on board, but the lander wouldn't be there if NASA's funding from the contract wasn't there. So it's kind of like, not kind of a complicated amalgamation of things. Yeah, not to be insensitive in any way, but it sounds like the Navajo Nation is expecting more oversight and authority from NASA than NASA is capable of in how this, in this contract, is that fair? Probably. Yeah. Yeah, Bennett says, so saying someone is accountable for what their contractors do while working in their name, it's a reasonable point of view, but still, I would imagine some of those relationships and the authority thereof would be kind of tenuous to an extent. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a lot to be said too that historically and not just in the United States, but throughout the world, First Nations and indigenous peoples are very much not, not on the receiving end of a multitude of good things. And that's kind of putting it lightly. Yeah, for sure. I could, I mean, we can talk a little bit, we can speak a little bit to here in the United States even today it is still just unbelievably, the marginalization is still unbelievably there. But yeah, it's a really nuanced and sensitive issue and I feel like that's a, it's a really tough one to talk about because of that. So there's a lot of different perspectives that have to come together with this and I feel, I do feel like that the three of us are definitely not going to be able to provide a correct perspective in something like this. So like neither of us, neither of the three of us could talk on behalf of Navajo Nation, absolutely. And then I feel like we also can't talk on behalf of Celestis or the FAA or NASA or whoever, maybe the regulatory body for something like this. So yeah. Yeah, I've got, I've got Turkey heritage, not Navajo. Yeah, so. Sikur's life says the ashes are going into heliocentric orbit, not to the moon. There's actually, there's two of them. Yeah, there's two. There's maybe one on the center. Yeah, so, yeah. And then of course, yeah, thank you R&B, I hope we can't speak for NASA despite the hat and the shirt that we're wearing today. So, yeah. Not affiliated. Just a fan, so just a fan. Anyways. Me not used as a solution should be for the first nations to go to the moon and return the remains respectfully. Well, it wouldn't be returning. Yes. And I'm not sure that that would actually solve the problem. Although I love your optimism and will for spaceflight to be so easy. Mr. Huggy says it would be the FAA that they would have to talk to you not NASA. I don't necessarily think that that's true. Yeah, and me not you in that comment. I definitely appreciate the wanting to bring everybody along on spaceflight too, if we should. Everyone should be welcome to join in on spaceflight with us there. So thank you, Chris, for that great acronym for NASA there, which is not affiliated space adjacent. Space adjacent. So I quite like that. So I will put that one on my business cards. Then it says, well, Ryan does work for NASA. Spaceflight. That's true. That's true. You always keep that second part quiet when you're trying to book an important thing or something. You're like, yeah. I work for NASA. Spaceflight. Spaceflight. JTTP, they talk directly with the White House at a meeting in DC. OK, so that's good. So that's nice to hear that voices are being heard. So well, being listened to, at least being heard is something else entirely, I think. True. Actually, yeah, that's a really good point data. So Chris Parr brings up, is anyone else sad that Vulcan's beautiful color scheme won't be applied for subsequent subsequent launches? Yes. Yes. I still think it's time to convince Tori Bruno to change his mind. But I'm optimistic that there is time to convince Tori Bruno to change his mind. Because surely, in the total cost of the launch, as Vulcan stands, nothing is being reused. You might as well pay to paint the rocket to look cool. If you're not going to bring it back, it needs to make it look cool whilst it goes. I mean, it's the least you can do. If you're not going to engineer the booster to RTLS back to the Cape, just make it look cool. It's the least you can do. Coming from someone whose stipulations and requirements for taking on a contract to design one last pump skid before I left a company included it being painted Delta Blue to pay homage to the fact that it was going on in an old Delta launch site. Yes, I want colorful rockets. Yeah. Groundless carrier weights. Carrier plate says, paint equals weight. And that's true. But instead of gray paint, do red paint or red and white paint or, I don't know, just put a vinyl sticker on it. Yeah, you could wrap it. I'm sure I have to agree with that. And I do agree with Eric, which is that Delta Blue is the best blue. So it is. There is no better color than Delta Blue. And I do just want to throw this out there, which is that I have seen original artwork of the Delta for heavy in concepts. And it was Delta Blue. So before the installation became a thing. GTH042 has a good point. Stickers add horsepower. That's right. That's right. Each sticker is five horsepower. So that's a fact. That's a fact. So I think it'd be cool to see each Vulcan Centaur rocket painted in a manner that is like bespoke to the mission that it's going to be flying. You know what I mean? Or even better. What if they had a different design per variant? So the number of SRB is dictated, you know, what color and what design it had. Like what if the Tory has confirmed on Twitter that each variant of Vulcan like Atlas is going to have its own nickname, right? So why can't each nickname have its own design? Like why can't two B variant and the flare on the side have a cool name with flames and that's the flame design. That's what it is. And then say the six and the six SRB variant is like a dragon or something. I don't know. Well, not dragon because SpaceX has already nicked that. But, you know, something else cool. So what you're telling me is we need to call up Chip Foos and get him to do some painting on the rocket. It's like just a pinstriping down the rocket and things like that, stuff like that. Really put in the effort to make it look good. By the way, do you guys remember what the original names were proposed before it became Vulcan Centaur? No. Hopefully you're going to tell us. I was about to tell you because it was originally going to be called the next generation launch system, so NGLS. But of course, that doesn't sound particularly great, right? So you have a launch alliance. They turned to their employees. And the employees gave them over 400 names proposals. Was one of them Rocket McRocket face? Yeah, probably so. But there were two. Actually, I think that competition predates Bode McBoatface, doesn't it? I'm not sure when Bode McBoatface was. But I'm glad about Bode McBoatface. So I'm glad for it. It can have that. Anything else is a poser. So let's not. So how's that sound? Tell me. When was Bode? I could see. Are you looking at that data? 2016. This was absolutely well before Bode McBoatface. So this was 2013 when this was happening. So it took them a bit of time, but it was 2015 when they finally got the names. There were five names that were originally selected for a public vote that got over a million votes. So over a million people voted online to do this. Two of them that did not make the cut immediately, Eagle and Freedom, which honestly, like the Eagle's been used, that is done. I feel like you cannot name a vehicle Eagle ever again after a follow-up. Unless it is the continuation of same design aspects and requirements. Not at all. Not at all. Freedom, I don't think that's a good name for a rocket. It's not good. Freedom has had an anomaly that just doesn't sound great. Well, we had that last year. Pray tell, do I ask? And then the final three names that were chosen for additional voting was Vulcan, Zeus, and Galaxy One. Which Galaxy One was picked out one. Galaxy One just sounds like the translated name of a private Chinese spaceflight company's first rocket. Well, nowadays, yeah. Back then, this was technically before SpaceX had even landed a rocket. I think it would have worked pretty well with that there. Eric, reminding us that Endeavour, the good ship Endeavour, has been used for the name of both a shuttle and a dragon. And I feel like they both kind of do the same thing. So then it stopped using Columbia and Challenger and Endeavour. Columbia was already overused in shuttle times. Columbia has been used for a lot of ship names, as has Challenger as well. And that was ships at sea. So, yeah, actual boats themselves. And I feel like also because of the circumstances, especially around Columbia and Challenger, I think it's very much like those names are, there is a certain reverence to those names now, so we really can't use them anymore. So, yeah, I mean, we can have some fun names of spacecraft, you know, that's kind of how it works. But actually, if you go back to the press conference where they announced the name of Vulcan, they did already have a logo for Galaxy One, for Zeus and for Vulcan. So, I'm looking at the Space News article about it actually, and there were, yeah, I'm trying to pull them up really quickly. Who should I send them to? Just share your screen. We have technology. Hold on just a second. Hold on a second, I got to get everything lined up here, ready to go. We have the technology. We can reshare it. You can do it, Jared. I have faith in you. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. How do I do this? Right there. OK, here we go. Hopefully it's coming through nice and good. Look at that. We got Vulcan all the way over there on the left, which is the logo that we're now very well familiar. In the middle, we have Zeus, which looks like it's got a very nice typeface spelling out Zeus and a lightning bolt in it there. And then there's another one to the right, which is Galaxy One. And it looks like it's got a circle with some sort of curved line through it, like the arc of a rocket off of a launch pad, with Galaxy being blue and one being green. So, beautiful, just beautiful. We have a payload to launch and we need your help. I also just want to point out that, according to British pronunciation, SpaceX's flagship vehicle with nine engines sounds exactly the same as UA's new vehicle with two B-4 engines. Yes. That's because you're saying it wrong. Yes. The only reason I say, the only reason I pronounce it falcon is because of the very reason that SpaceX called it falcon, the American pronunciation. And it's more easier to distinguish between falcon and Vulcan than falcon and Vulcan. Well, that's a very interesting point that we try to do here tomorrow, which is that we usually try to pronounce things based on the way that the actual company or the person is pronouncing it, as opposed to regionally how we would pronounce it. I'm just starting that out there. We got a lot of flack when we were just pronouncing Chinese names for things. So we tried to fix that. I don't think we really ever told the world that we actually, somebody who actually was fluent in Mandarin in and helped us learn how to pronounce things correctly and the basic conventions of the, by the way, just want to throw this out there, multitude of languages in China. It's not just Mandarin. There's also many dialects that are spoken throughout China. Just like here in the United States, there's a multitude of dialects. Like you've got Californian. You've got Southern. I was just about to say New England, but not even that. You've got New Yorker, Bostonian, Pennsylvania. There's just a whole group of sub-languages in there as well. So, yeah. Anyways, I'm just going to stop. The bit sounded good, and then I did it, and it wasn't. But no one's going to ever say I don't commit to things when I do them. Oh, you can. So, for better or for worse. But that will be happening tonight. Hopefully, hopefully that first launch of Vulcan, or Vulcan, or that, hopefully that launch happens tonight, which I just want to point out that there's actually supposed to be a Starlink launch first, 10 hours before Vulcan's first flight. So the disrespect of this generation. But Vulcan Centaur is going to be flying at 07-18, coordinated universal time. So I'm very, very excited about this. There's the carrying Astropotics Paragon commercial lunar lander. Very rarely do you ever see a first flight of a rocket carrying a payload that is extremely important, like something like that. Yeah. I'd say the last time we saw a remaining launch carry a payload remotely close to as important as this would probably be STS-1, because it carried crew, which I would argue is much more important than a lunar lander. But a lunar lander is certainly up there in terms of uncrewed payloads. This is probably going to be tippity top of the maiden launches of a vehicle. Yeah, I think here in the, I think for at least the United States with our launch vehicles, all of them, yeah, H3 as well, I believe Atlas V and Delta IV blew payloads on their maiden flights. Did they fly a lunar lander on their maiden flights? No, they didn't. And Delta III also flew, Delta III, my favorite of the evil deltas, as I like to call them, Delta III, bridging the gap between Delta II and Delta IV. That's my impression of a Delta III. So I'm trying to think, what are some other words? Well, obviously, Space Launch System will payload on its first flight. So yeah, yeah. So of those that I can think of, the only ones that really didn't go so good, I'd say it was Delta III, but also that just kind of described Delta III as a whole. Good idea. And don't most inaugural flights or aren't most inaugural flights just orbital? Typically, yes. So unless this is a big swing. Yes, unless you're Aries I or Starship, then your inaugural flight is suborbital. So although I don't think we want to get back into the Aries one. Aries 1X flew higher than Starship on its maiden flight. No, no, let's not get back into this, because the facts have been laid out time and time again. Aries 1X's first flight was clearly much more successful than Starship, so we can move on now. I'd like to say that Ryan has said that. And Ryan can be reached at NASA Space Flight's problem at P.O. Lutz. Do you do that on NASA Space Flight as well? Because obviously I don't catch everything you guys make, but do you bring up Aries 1X and tell how great it is? My opinions on every rocket doesn't change, depending on whatever channel I'm on. My opinion of Aries 1X is that its first flight was more successful than Starship's first flight. It doesn't matter wherever I am. It's the truth. You can't deny the truth. It flew higher than Starship. That's it, great one. But it says Ryan says Aries 1X is clearly the best space shuttle. Now that one I deny. Oh my god. Pooperball, Aries 1X recovered the booster as well. This is what I'm saying. This is why it is, NSF is a serious news organization. We tell people facts. We don't kick people into false Starship news. And to uphold our journalistic integrity, we need to tell the facts. And the facts are Aries 1X's maiden flight was far more successful than Starship's. I think it's the end of the matter. It's just a fact. Undeniable fact. Aries 1X only broke parts of the pad above ground, not into the ground. Easier to repair? And they were rehauling the pad anyway. It didn't matter. I don't know. If anything, Aries 1X helped to accelerate the development of the new clean pad for SLS. Aries 1X helped to accelerate the ground support system construction process by destroying some of 39B for NASA's ground contractors. Oh, Stephen is challenging you, Ryan, by what measure? By what measure was Aries 1X better? Then Starship's first flight, it flew higher. It performed all mission objectives as expected. The booster was recovered. The first and second stage is separated. I can go on. You're doing, Stephen. I can give you all the measures. Here he comes. You've got him worked up. Now we've got to wait for the chat to catch up. I will say this, the movement of Aries 1X during separation was a potential expected issue. So it wasn't like during IFT1 where the movement of Starship Super Heavy as a whole was an unexpected issue. Benjamin Dudu says, well, the Aries 1X isn't as big or heavy. Wrong. Aries 1X is the same height as SLS. Aries 1X is tall. It is huge. It is of similar height to Starship. So all my points remain. I'm laughing so hard I'm trying not to black out over here. Oh my gosh, this has just absolutely spun wild today. What rails? Was there even a train involved? I don't think so. Never when you're around? No, never when anybody's around on this show, frankly. That's what it is. So everybody, I think on those bomb shells, we're going to wrap up our show here today. As we head into it, of course, we can't do this show without all of you. That's right. The members of Tomorrow. I almost said citizens, but you are also citizens of Tomorrow. You sound like you almost said patrons. I almost said patrons, too. You're patrons. You're citizens. You are members. You are our family here at Tomorrow. We appreciate you. Even just if you're viewing right now, you can do that, too. And if you would like to become a member of Tomorrow, you can head on over to youtube.com. Join. 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