 Yeah Lost for words like why come and talk about it seem like a very conscious individual bro. Yeah. No, no, I understand though No, we were just trying our luck mate They can't move us from here, so Maybe we'll put it right here Oh, what about in front of that UK dairy day sign? Oh, yeah, everyone's gonna be walking down from there. Hey Hilariously good There we go, we're back again There's a dairy show just there big international Yeah Disagree agree Okay, maybe we've got a couple of dairy farmers here come over here You wanna have a chat There's more dairy farmers here than I've ever seen in my entire life You like drinking are you a baby bro? You like drinking breast milk from a cow you do you don't care about that They kill all the dairy cows and slaughterhouses And then you eat them as well you think that's funny you seen slaughterhouse footage before See an animal's drowning their own blood You don't care you think it's funny though I Used to I used to drink milk in that but I realized I'm a full-grown adult not a baby And I drink almond milk rice milk soy milk No, well, I don't drink cow's milk because they go to slaughterhouses and they get stabbed in the throat I just don't think it's worth it for a glass of milk. Yeah, but they don't love the milk They do do it for milk when they have it for me The dairy industry supports the beef industry They all get murdered For beef but the dairy industry support the beef industry If I was a small toddler that when I get weaned I stopped drinking breast milk Why isn't it murder So why can't cows be murdered Every day so millions of humans die every day should we go murder people? Do you think it's morally justified to kill someone you arguing for murder because people die But you can just buy milk and now get stabbed anyway You're paying for cows to go to slaughterhouses when you Supporting industry You understand the the idea of supply and demand Yeah, you're consuming a product you're demanding that they do that to cows There you are you're demanding my virtue of your dollar or your pound That's how supply and demand works dude, they're killing cows for you So millions of people do heaps of bad shit. What does that mean? That doesn't that doesn't change the topic is it murder or not just because millions of people do it's not going to change No, I'm saying that the milk as it stands right now they put that you purchase murderers involved with that Well, there's probably scenarios where cows aren't being milked murdered Where do you get your milk from? Let's talk about that There you go Well, I'm telling you they are and you you got to look into it for five minutes. You just see that all dairy cows are slaughtered Yeah, it is no you don't care about animal cruelty. Do you care about animal cruelty? You don't obviously No, I'm just saying what do you care about animal cruelty? If you drink dairy products, right animals are going to be killed for them for that milk Yeah, so if you don't care about animal cruelty, but you supporting the same thing you're against. Yeah Never said you I never thought you were I'm just arguing whether or not you believe that milk is murder. That's all You don't but they get killed for milk. So It's a very simple thing Lots of people say they won't change but that doesn't change the point of what I'm saying So I just want you know if milk is murder that's all I disagree based on slaughterhouse facts Based on slaughterhouse evidence and statistical facts You're standing here talking to me about it, bro, you must care a little bit You don't want any milk or beef Yeah, well, you're not a baby cow so it makes sense It is deep dude have you seen slaughterhouse footage, I think that's pretty deep you don't give us if you don't care about that then What do you care about? yourself A glass of milk Yeah, put yourself in the animals position brother Honestly You got empathy in your heart, hey, you know what it's like to suffer Why is it a debate because I think it's unjustified they can't defend themselves animals can they who's gonna defend a cow Who's gonna defend the cows I'm trying to Because no one's going to are they I don't think I think they suffer in silence. No one hears them So if there was a dog here someone's trying to stab him I'd defend the dog as well I don't care if it's commercialized the dogs people eat dogs people eat dogs dude Euland Euland dog festival look it up I'm saying is it morally justified if it's a dog. It's not good. What if they taste good? You didn't see the murder. I'm just eating the meat Yeah, so Yeah, but why why not Well, what's the difference between eating a dog and eating the cow You don't eat cows you don't eat animals are you vegetarian? Yeah, sometimes That's not the argument I'm saying I'm not asking whether it's gonna stop you dude You you've got the freedom to make the choice you want in the supermarket. I'm arguing whether or not it's ethical That's not the argument you can go and I'm not gonna stop you going in Costa right now buying dairy I just want you to know that but by buying that you're causing the animals to go to slaughterhouses when it's not justified There's almond milk in Costa too, you know, I mean This is almond milk as well you can make you know, you know the choice you have to make almond milk or dairy Almond milk going slaughterhouses dairy slaughterhouses So taste justifies killing cows I don't think you believe that a You do you don't eat cows You don't eat beef You don't know not at all. Yeah, I can tell you're lying dude. Yeah So if you're not gonna talk told the truth to me then why have a conversation with me, bro If you're not gonna tell the truth you eat cows So you're eating the thing that you're against as well So you're drinking dairy eating beef the beef industry supported by the dairy industry How old are you bro? How old are you? 16 I'm 32 26 when I realized Exactly I feel bad about it. Do you feel bad about it exactly I do So what does that say about me? What does it say about you? I'll give a shit. Yeah, what do you think about a world that doesn't give a shit? What do you think about a world that doesn't give a shit That starts with you though No, but your actions do your actions change Doesn't matter you don't go out and do bad shit because it your actions reflect on your morals Sort of compass, don't they? You know what I mean, like you don't go out and abuse dogs and abuse children and abuse other people But that's one person. What's that gonna do? You just don't do it because you've got your own ethics that yeah You can't control what other people do you control what you do dude You're using the your argument can be used to do anything you want to anyone. You know that right? Yeah Of course, I'm an activist. Yeah I'm an animal rights activist I think animals deserve the right to life Everything everything everyone Everyone animals aren't things No, they're sentient beings They're having a subjective experience like you there's someone they've got a personality they want to escape pain they suffer They're not plants Doesn't matter if it's not a person There's someone inside of a dog, right Dogs are someone yeah, they are that's that's what that's the mentality that justifies the slaughter and exploitation of them That mentality that you've got is the reason the world is the way it is towards animals Mine's not an opinion though. It's an objective fact They're all murdered every single dairy cow Okay, well show me the dairy where do you get your milk from Morrison's all those dairy cows have slaughtered Where you name one what are they called? Every single stock standard practice, they're all killed And when the milk production declines what happens You don't know anything Look, I'll I'll give you the point that you don't know nothing about the industry, bro So I'll accept that you're only 16 you haven't looked into this So why are you but debating something that you don't know anything about Now why are you debating a point that you don't know anything about? You can all you have to do is go on your phone right now and check up do dairy cow dairy cow slaughtered You can look up standard industry practice right now It's got nothing to do with veganism politics don't politics have nothing to do with animal ethics Surely is a different party which like hate I'm not I don't talk about left and right and all that is that what you want You're asking conservative and left and right and liberal and Yeah, me neither so this animal ethics is simple stabbing animals for burgers is unjustified. It's not necessary. It's wrong I agree How are you 16 I'll accept that because you're 16, but I've been vegan for six years, bro Well, what about kids kids that are vegan from birth, do you know the do you have you heard of the um Have you heard of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics? The Academy of Nutrition and how many how many meat eating babies have died billions Me eating babies have never died from malnutrition. Are you serious? Me plenty of meeting babies die from malnutrition But that was from an irresponsible parent not because of a well-balanced diet so you're going up against the Have you heard of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics the largest? authority on health in the world a hundred thousand nutrition professionals Jerome dude, I won't remember but if you inbox me on Instagram, I'll see if I will remember What does the food chain got to do with you? What does the food chain got to do with you? Why can't I kill you for me Well, why can't I? We as a society believe killing when it's there's no justification for it is morally wrong. We have plant foods to eat Sorry It's still wrong to not not for self-defense. It's not wrong to kill I think it's completely justified for self-defense Survival is a little bit of a you know gray area to if you're trying to survive, but we've got other options This is what I'm saying You know we've got vegan alternatives, so why are we stabbing cows raping cows milking cows murdering their kids? Why are we doing that? You know, we've got 20 different plant milks and we still do this to cows. Why? Well, I understand because we can but we can do that's like the might we can do many things can't we We can dominate them they can't defend themselves they can't sit here and speak for themselves Hey, that's how it is doesn't matter. It means that's okay or moral It doesn't the things are changing. Do you have you seen the vegan movement changing in the UK? No, this ain't going bro, it's growing I'm not the only vegan that thinks this dude, and I'm not the only human that's against animal cruelty You're debating the other side you're defending animal abuse when you debate the other side Because you try to morally justify But you said you'd happily buy a dairy which you know that there's cruelty involved with that product product The supply and demand chain says you are you're paying for that violence to happen I never said if it was legal or not I said if whether it causes animal cruelty You're supporting the industry that does this to animals so if we boycott those industries those industries go under that They're no longer breeding cows exploiting them and killing them Well, there'll be new opportunities for jobs, and I don't think that animal cruelty I don't think that a job should justify what we do to animals I think animals lives and their their freedom and their you know their well-being is more important than someone making a job that They can get another one of yeah It's not an argument, dude. That's not not that's not an ethical argument. It's not a justification. That's just how it is Oh, if you want to go into it like that we can get into the details of I already told you that the Purchasing milk causes the murder of cows What do you mean legally or morally I would argue that morally you are I would say that morally that that is an action that harms cows and therefore that's wrong. Yeah, morally wrong See it's a circular thing that you're going through supply and demand is what's causing these industries to exist Pain a hitman You know the idea of paying a hitman to kill someone you didn't you didn't you didn't actually commit the crime But you paid the hitman to commit the crime Why not where's your money gone? Into the shop and where does the shop? Well, how did this shop us fit packed those shelves full of milk? So every time you purchase a product in that shop they roof refill that product that money goes to the industry And I'm still drinking milk You're not doing well buddy, you're not doing well I'm gonna end the conversation with you not doing very well. You keep going back to the same point That's just how it is. I'm not gonna stop. Yeah, but you're gonna really good talking to your brother Well, because it's true subjectively true you haven't come up with a very good justification and a reason why milk isn't murder You can say it's not but it is Yeah, I think I don't think you've given me a very logical opinion though You've just said it's not and that's the way it is and whatever supply and demand doesn't matter There's a dairy big shit dairy show there huge dairy show right there in our international center Well, yeah, if you just walk over there, they've got cows on show there They've got the rape racks that they put the cows in and stick the fist in the cows anus to inseminate them No, I don't like seeing cows get raped I think it's fucking weird Yeah All right, brother. Nice come. Hey, bro. It was good having a chat with you anyway, mate Take care. You'll be on the almond milk sooner or later, mate Well, if you think about it Well, if you go to a slaughterhouse on that you look at the way they've been treated and Just turn around you're like, yeah, I don't want to eat that. Did you know that? To be fair, I didn't know either dude till I started to look into this So I didn't think about that until you said that