 I never fought at 51 years old. I'd be telling people that the Bodhi man isn't real. You said the optimal word, Chris. Fear. Today I went to test with cancer. Wow. Wow. They're always willing to trade away a little of their freedom in exchange for the feeling, the illusion of security. When you think about the leaders, the captains of Project Fear, there's a couple of names that jump out, aren't there? If you're in the UK, a couple of those names might be... But the fact remains that still lots of people are watching the news, watching the TV and getting a very different message because they don't take in the same information maybe that you do or don't want it. Yeah. Yeah. So for friends listening, it's not that I don't care about people. It's the complete opposite. When you remember that everything in the... We've got to be really careful what I say here, but we need to remember that in science, everything is a theory. When we put all our chips on one theory and we say that all the others are just completely irrelevant, that is, for me, a really dangerous thing. And the reason is I haven't lived the mainstream way for 18 years. And my understanding of life as such is so extremely different. And it's why I get extremely good results from my life. Sorry, guys, I'm having to leave lots of gaps in here. I hope you follow with me. But by spreading this, I'm just going to say the bogeyman story, your denying children, young people, anyone who's trying to educate themselves about life and becoming light and then understand their body, their physiology, their mental health, how this set cluster of molecules is vibrating at a certain resonance as dictated by this beautiful universe. You're saying, right, folks, you're never going to learn that your whole life, because this is the mainstream narrative and it's the equivalent of knowledge fascism or totalitarianism. The other thing as well, so that... I think what you're saying there, Chris, look, when I wrote this book, massive advantages are dealing with our souls. There's a lot of confusion, because number one, we can always... Everyone's an our soul, right? From day to day, we can all do our soul things and we all make mistakes and some things we mean, some things we don't. Most of the time we don't mean it. So you've got your everyday our soul that everybody is. But based on what you say in there, Chris, we all make decisions based on our experience, based on what we believe, based on what it is that we want to achieve. And what I've always found helps is there's two things that define somebody who you might define as toxic or as an our soul that you may want to avoid or not have in your life. And those two things are consistency and intention. How consistent is somebody with their behavior? How consistent are they with being an our soul? Because if it is all the time, then that's an issue. But the big part of the ingredient that needs to be looked at is the second one, and that is consistency. Sorry, intention. It's intention. You've got to look at somebody's intention. Why are they doing what they're doing? What is their intention? See, the choices that you make, and again, we can focus on this math thing, but because I know it's a big debate, but you're making that decision because you believe maybe on a grander scale that it is the right thing to do, not just for yourself, but for people around you because of maybe something that you're aware of that other people might not be aware of. And because they're not aware of that, then they might see you in a different light. But for you, making that decision, your intention is good. It's positive, right? What I'm getting at here is it's always about someone's intention. Is somebody doing something to intentionally hurt others? Is somebody doing something to intentionally be negative, to harm? Then that's something very different. And that's for everybody to judge. You can't judge that. I can't judge that for somebody else. That is their own judgment. But deep down, if they believe that you're doing that and making that decision with good intent, then for me, that's the overriding thing that counts. Do you think also that, sorry, I am going to list this list for our friends watching, We're going to enter now the biggest mental health snowball and suicide epidemic this country has ever experienced. How do I know it? Well, you should see how I felt last night after this. It rocked. I'm a stable guy. I'm balanced. I'm enlightened. I want for nothing. But I try to be as moral as I can. As Carl said, I fail a lot and I try again. But with certain things, I can be quite rock steady and fear I will not give into nor blackmail nor threatening or anything like that. So, last night, I just felt for every other person that must not just be feeling like me, but have been caught in their houses and under house arrest for almost two years. And it's not it's not quarantine. It's house arrest quarantine is where if I get ill, they go and put me in a hospital and say, Chris, you just stay on your own for a couple of weeks, old son. We just want to check you out. The heebie jeebies gone, then you can go back in. That's not what we're talking to here. We're talking mass house arrest. Why? Because the BBC told you not not a letter through the door from any governing body. The BBC told you who told them? Well, you know, the likes of Bill Gates, a guy that made his fortune by stealing a computer program and a whole host of other rogues who please believe me, really don't care about you. Anyway, so we've got that we've got people drinking themselves to death. We've got alcohol and substance misuse gone through the roof. We have this. We have now only given one side of science to our children. That's it. You know, it almost as backward now we are is the days when we thought that if you sailed off to the edge of the world, you went off the edge. That that is the level of education we've been reduced back to. On top of that, the businesses, people have worked their whole lives for, borrowed money for work that the hours that many of us do. All gone, right? All gone. On top of that, you've got people that are physically scared of their fellow humans at a time when we should all be hugging and understanding empathy, love, kindness, compassion. The only things that get you to enlightenment, all the hatred, the bigotry, the fear, the bad vibration. All of all of that just blocked completely blocks you. And the time, you know, we should be spreading the love. No, you've got youngsters. Like I said this the other night, you know, I go in a supermarket at youngster dives in the frozen food section to get away from me. Right. This is the this is the. And when you want when you understand what all this is based upon, then you understand how utterly frightening it is. And I'm not going to go there for the purpose of this podcast with Carl. But many of you know that this goes an awful lot higher than what we're ever going to see, certainly on mainstream media that you can even now see on on the platforms that we broadcast on because some of them are so corporate controlled by their advertisers that you can't have freedom of speech. There's a whole bigger thing going on again. Again, folks, and I can't even talk about it. So. In regards to how you felt yesterday, Chris, let's put it into context because ultimately what you're talking about is, is, is feeling empathy for other people feeling the experience feeling how bad it can be. To be locked in your home feeling about it can be to feel isolated feeling just generally how bad things can be. You felt empathy. If we put this into context, because I think things like this can be taken out of context. When you start talking about psychopaths and sociopaths and the psychology side of this, but it's very simple when you put it into context. There are, on average, about one in 100 people is a psychopath. But it's not always like Norman Bay, you know, that's the that's that's the impression that we've got, right? So that's why, you know, we start to take things out of context. When you consider that one in 100 and when you also consider that from a business perspective, a lot of CEOs are sociopaths or psychopaths because they naturally filtrate to the top. Why? Because they don't experience emotions and feelings like you did yesterday. Some people might say they don't suffer that. Imagine going through your day where things are as clinical and raw as looking at data on a whiteboard, blackboard, computer screen, whatever it may be, and it just being about hitting those figures. Forget about everything else. It is just about achieving that. That when you start to put it into context, a lot of CEOs filtrate to the top politicians, people in power. A lot of these people have these traits, and they don't experience emotions and things like a lot of people do. So when you put that into context, it of course explains a lot of things and enables us to do that because it's very easy to start saying this and start saying that. And then you start going down tunnels that can just walk your general awareness. When you start to put it into context, it starts to make sense. So you're feeling empathy yesterday, but there's a lot of people that don't think and feel like that, which is, I believe, a big reason as to why we're in the position that we are today. Yeah, I reckon if you went to the Bilderberg meeting, I think it's just psychopaths and sociopaths. Odds would suggest that there would certainly be a percentage. Well, look at, I'm not going to say any events in particular, but I think everyone knows the events if you're our age that we're talking about, where they didn't bat an eyelid. I don't even want to say the word, but let's say at the expense of thousands of people in their own country. It's not to mention the millions killed abroad. That's kind of like a psychopath, you know. I like to put things in common sense and context because it's so easy to over complicate things. You mentioned about being human and what it means and what it means for the experience. What it means to feel like you did yesterday, what it meant for me when I spent decades being riddled with fear and anxiety, not able to lead my home. There's always this fine balance based on choice, based on experience, based on the fragileness of what it means to be human compared to the strength that we've all got. Compared to the resilience that we've consistently demonstrated that we've got as being one of the greatest accomplishments, ecosystems that the planet, that the world, whatever you want to define it as, has ever seen. There's always going to be that fine balance always. And what will it ultimately come down to? Well, for me, can't speak for everybody else, but I'll tell you what it comes down to for me. And this is where we go full circle, because we go back to what we spoke about at the very start. It's very much your relationship with fear, how you perceive it, what it is, and ultimately your belief system behind that. How do I put this into an example? When we go for tests for cancer, or when we go for things that are going to challenge us on that grand scale, which you're facing in the minute, Chris, that will present a lot of choices, it will present a lot of challenge. And some of the fears that it will invoke are two of our greatest two of our primary fears. The first, of course, being the fear of death. It's the great unknown. What is it? Well, nobody knows. So that's why, based on all the what ifs, we feel all the fear that we do. But when somebody says, well, I believe this happens after you die, or I believe that happens after you die, I say great. Some people will say, nothing happens, that's it. Other people will say you transcend and you go on or you do this. Death is whatever you want it to be. Whatever you believe it is, Chris. Why? Well, who are you or I or anybody else to tell you any different because no one really knows. So if nobody really knows, then what does that basically mean? What it basically means is whatever you want to believe is true. And when we start to appreciate that, that is very much factual, based on pretty much everything else in our life. We can start to get a better relationship with fear. Yeah, I should add that. So my test came back, they weren't bothered that the medical people, they said no, it's right. Correct. I honestly wasn't bothered if they turn around and said, yeah, it's not looking good down there, Chris, you know, I'm not afraid of death. Why not? Well, from the moment the universe started, which is an infinity ago, if that's even an expression, until the moment the universe continues on, which I think is also infinity. I have always been here and I will always be here because I am the universe, that's what I'm made of. So as I say a lot in my life coaching, this conversation now is just the universe. Imagine the earth or whatever, it comes up like this in molecules that grow. This bunch of molecules, we're going to label Carl because it makes it just like easier to get shit done. This bunch, we're going to label Chris and hello, Chris. Hi, Carl. How do you do it? It's come from the same suit. It's the same thing. It's universe experiencing itself, right? Carl, this might just be my belief, whatever, but to me, this is the one that makes a lot more sense than let's just say the sort of stuff they taught us in Sunday school. And so if I'm universe, well, I've always got to be here, so there's no point stressing over anything. Maybe I let myself down a bit today, but this incident on the phone last night because my friend said, no, you've got to go, you've got to do the thing and go because you might die. And I said, no, I would rather die because at the end of the day, I have to look myself in a mirror and I'm not going to look a coward. I'm not going to look at myself as a coward. That must be a horrible thing to have to live with. I just do, Carl, you know. Listen, I mean, look, I think what's interesting and what you said there, Chris, is we are governed by our greatest fears, and we live by them. And our greatest fears define what we do and what we don't do. So what's interesting about what you just said, Chris, is your bigger fear is being a coward rather than actually dying. So that was the fear that drove you to make the decisions that you did. You decided the last thing I'm going to be is a coward. So that was that the fear of being a coward was the thing that drove you to do what you did. And I suppose the balance that I'd probably add to that as in maybe a question mark, certainly when there's terms like coward involved is where pride might come into it. Because pride can be a bit shitty. Pride is very much attached to the ego and the ego will that that will do any number of things to keep us trapped. Right. So I'm not going to be a coward. You know, a lot of that's kind of ego stuff, you know, a lot of it could be a pride and that's fine, because it can connect to morals and standards. And that's why we keep to that. Ultimately, I think what I picked up on Chris is the one of the underpinning reasons as to why you made this the decision that you did is because you just felt it was right. It's only made it's really simple. Bill Gates. You can name them all Larry Silverstein, Donald Rumsfeld, Bush Blair. They stand up against them all every single time, Cole, you know, they're all of that it put them all in the same, you know, along with all the politicians that are going along with this. But the difference of the politicians is they're just gullible fools that are all being blackmailed, or if they're not being blackmailed they probably genuinely think that, or they're on a power trip they just do it. The difference with the ones above them is that they actually know their, their party to the agenda they know what's going on. It gets a bit darker there and then of course you've got the, the darkness that the likes of you and I are never going to going to see or possibly never even understand but you can really why, you know, probably again going back to yesterday why you felt like you did yesterday and why I can relate to that so heavily. I'm not afraid to like mess things up or even be scared, Cole. I'm not ego like that. I'm, for me it's more, it, it just, in life you just got to be a warrior. And we haven't always been I haven't always been like I mean there's been times where I have and then I probably have years where I didn't do warrior like stuff. I don't, I mean, I like challenging the deepest preconceptions preconceptions within our subconscious. One of your deepest ones is that you have to be a warrior may come back to training, you know, all stuff like that to naturally do that. But in regards to challenging that do you do or what sorry, you have to be a warrior. When I say warrior Carl, it's a very misleading term. I, I would apply the same philosophy to to understand in the universe to getting diet right to learning how to meditate to get in a control of the ego, which is what once you know that you need to control it that then I guess it becomes the more of a challenge when you end goal as a warrior. I want to set the next generation off just as best as I could just as you know I want to know that when I when this set of molecules goes back ashes to ashes dust to dust and next week I'm a palm tree and a pigeon and whatever it might you know, my molecules are spread everywhere. I universe I, I, I just like to look my son in the eyes of someone just did my best for you, you know, I did my best. So when I feel like shit. It's a little bit more rare now but I could certainly say that it was more rather than previously. And again, I'll go back to what you said about feeling the way you did yesterday and how lots of people are feeling right now. When I felt like shit. So much of it was connected to me trying to control lots of aspects. Not only in my own life but externally. I was trying to control this control that control this control that and in our current situation. It makes it even worse because let's face it we in regards to freedoms liberties decisions have never been so far out of control arguably. So when you add that feeling of feeling out of control. It can just emphasize any bad feeling that we might be having any anxiety any feeling low, any feeling stressed is just amplified because of the environment and what's going on. What always has helped me. And I try and it's part of the training and it's part of just a constant reminder let alone daily constant. What is it that you can control. What because it goes back to basic things as basic as a decision. The decision that you choose to make neck. Like the decision that you made whatever that meant. That was a decision that you made because you wanted to take control of that whatever. When we can focus on the things a little bit more about what what it is that we can control. There's going to be all these things externally environmental things happening in areas and over here over here over here. If we can just refocus because I'm all about the individual as well Chris I tell you that I'm all about the individual. You know, obviously I do my videos. I do coaching I do all these different things but I'm always about the individual because I know that if you can do certain things as an individual then that collect everything. That collectiveness that you were talking about about us having different experiences but all being one consciousness one energy one awareness however you want to call it. If on an individual level we can just refocus make decisions take control individually then collectively skies the limit. Yeah. Yeah, I think if we individually could understand car the futile nature of, you know, you. For example, your life experiencing in experiencing itself in Russia. I'm life here in the good old us of a or wherever that we're the same you are me and I am you that's therefore the notion that I need to wage war on you. It's like literally, I'm punching myself in the face and thinking that's going to get any kind of good result. Do I want you that set of molecules and this one to awaken. Yes, absolutely from that individual nature. That's the couple of things I'd say is that the the controllers. They were they well everything I'm saying and you were saying they they know this 100 million times over. They they've known it for thousands of years. It's, you know, they've read the books and then they burn them. They really know if they can keep us in our left brain which they do incredibly well with the education system, we never going to develop the cognitive ability to have a conversation like this Carl so that's good credit to us to I think. There's a lot of agent Smiths in the matrix. There's a lot of agent Smiths that have been popping up that want to tell you to, you know, do certain things and constantly remind you of what you're not doing right and it's this multiple occasion of agent Smiths to pop it up all over the place to doing the same job. I think it's a really good point that you've made. If there was agent Smiths popping up with a level of the type of energy and awareness that you're talking about and that's a very different experience isn't that. Yes. The other thing as well is, you know, I work on myself a lot. I seem to go in like real big leaps. For example, maybe this last month, I could feel like I've learned more in this last month than I did in the previous year. It might be a book I've read that sent my thinking. So I really got myself to the place car where I was seriously questioning I think a lot of people are here now. Is it or is the spiritual battle within because it's always going to be good and evil in the world, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, is it about getting troll yourself, raining in that ego, putting out good energy, but putting out good stuff for all human beings and really, you know, really, you ever tried to love somebody when you hate yourself. I didn't love people when I didn't realise how fulfilled I wasn't fulfilled Carl. It's just, it's, I'm not necessarily saying it's impossible but it's certainly a lot harder that if we don't like ourselves how can we expect anybody else to like us or love us. The point I'm making here Chris is what you've just said there is there anything else as a starting point as as the point from this moment onwards. There's there anything else than within. And what I mean by that is that. How can you expect on the flip side of what I've just said to love somebody else if you don't even like yourself. How can you expect to really be able to help somebody out if you can't help yourself. Yeah, it's a fundamental thing. It's possible. But here's what happens because it happens all the time. You can't help yourself but you tundle off and go and help somebody else maybe do something. I don't know maybe even just like a physical task. Maybe you felt a bit knackered a bit shitty but you, you help somebody move out or something like that. That's a very trivial example but let's say on an emotional level you help somebody out with a problem that they've got. You're feeling crap about yourself and you know you're all smiles and like yeah no look we'll get through this but deep down you're feeling horrible and action just horrible within yourself. You're not laying any form of foundation for yourself. So when the big bad wolf comes along with the problems he's just giving it a quick blow and your ass is down. When you start working within on your own building on your own foundation that you can start to build on top of then that wolf's always going to come along. Have a little blow and blow your ass down. Whereas you work on yourself you work within. It's a very different story. This is the crux of what, what, what I'm trying to sort of highlight because I don't really understand it if I was honest is like, I sort of consider I live in paradise simply because if I hop out of bed and I always say like and it's a bad day but the truth is I, I, the only time I have bad days these days when I'm coming down off certain prescriptions let's say, which is very extremely few and far between and it's normally a few points with the lads, once or twice a year and after it, when I get up there with that bad head, I still know I'm the luckiest person on, on, on the planet right and everybody else is even if they may not have realized it. So, I feel fortunate for that I mean I, when I go for my little jog in the morning, I just love life so much and I love myself so much and I, I love just the experience of it all it's just phenomenally incredible to be here, be here now. The challenge is cold and hence this, you know, warrior sort of thing is I've had to chop down quite a lot of stuff to get here. You know, I've had to stand up when when I needed to have had to look myself in a mirror more times than I ever cared to imagine. I've had to forgive an awful awful awful lot which is fine, you know, it's not, it's not when the time's right it's not difficult. The point is, I could sit in a garden with a sun on my face and I'm that's all I need in life. That's, that's, I'm made up, give me a book, I'm just even better. But when they're coming for your children, this is the bit I'm hot, you know, I can do the internal bit, maybe I'm not doing it well enough, maybe there's something I'm missing, maybe there's some stone I haven't. You're not missing anything. It simply goes back to what I said about the things that we can control and the things that we can't. Can we control the psychopaths then it with collective action what I mean. It's a pointless question. It's a pointless question. Because whether you say yes or no to it makes no fundamental difference to the only thing that matters. Okay. Right. The more important thing is what is that you decide to do. And the reason why we can get bogged down and feel overwhelmed, particularly by incredibly raw subjects like the next generation kids the issues. What's happening in regards to next generations. The reason we let that stuff overwhelm us is because of the amount of things that we can believe is out of our control. This is going to happen. That's going to happen is they're stopping it. Can we stop it? Can we do this? Can we do that? All of that from a moral standing in regards to having things to focus on in regards to being the warrior in regards to achieving things in regards to getting things done. It's perfectly normal. In fact, it's advisable that we have those levels of fear because there's nothing else that's going to drive us into action, which is the only thing that matters. However, where it starts to get really destructive and counterproductive, i.e. we start to bring ourselves down is when we get overwhelmed by the things that we can't control. And there will only ever be one thing that you can. And that's yourself. Anything outside of that, right? Before I was a coach, before I started writing books, I ran a recruitment business, my own business for 10 years. I got to see all different sides of people, all different sides of personalities. And no matter what, when you thought you had someone figured out, they're definitely going to get that job. They're stonking it. They're going to sail in. I can't tell you the amount of times that it just don't happen because human psychology, the stock market, none of these things work on logic. That person I thought was absolutely nailed on to get the job could have easily just as walked in and kicked the guy in the knackers if he wanted to. Why? Because I can't control him. I can only control what I did, what I do, what I did throughout the process. What did I do? I helped prepare him as much as I could. That's what I can do. There's a certain point then you have to say, that's what I did. I fit my morals. I fit my standards. That's what I did. Now it's up to them. And if you want to take that above and beyond anything else, good luck to you, is what I say. But if you don't expect to live in terror, fear, constant anxiety and just feeling like shit, it don't work like that. Because this is how fear works. You will constantly live in the what ifs. You will live in the future about what you can't control. And it will dominate you to the point where most people won't even take action because, hey, fuck it, I've lost anyway. So there's always that balance, isn't there, Chris? So it's not a question of can this or can that person or can all that person get the job? But I've certainly done my part and there's a point where I have to say, I can let go. Brilliant. Oh, let's move on because while I've got the benefit of chatting to you, I've got a couple of things written down here. If I just read them out, one is TikTok and the other is Moonlandies. TikTok and Moonlandies. There's some bloody subjects, Chris. Well, I find both. Let's do this. We need TikTok first. Yeah, come on then. Cancel it. Move on. Done. Done. Job done. Get rid of it. What's it all for, isn't it? Well, you tell me what social media platform that accentuates all the worst qualities in us humans. That's probably, that's too, that's too stereotypical. Let me rephrase this. Is it social media that's bad or is it simply the amplification of what it means to be human? That's the question. But what I do know is TikTok is certainly one of the key players in regards to being nefarious. Would I want any child, any children to be using such a platform and think it's something healthy to do that in no way creates a narcissistic emotional sociopath? No, because everything about these platforms are about that. They're about bringing you in. Their social engineering is about bringing you in and keeping you there. And whenever there's an nefarious agenda like that, oh, but it's free. Well, if it's free, then that means that you're the product. Brilliant. So if you're the product, you need to start asking yourself some serious questions. I've actually got a TikTok account. I don't hate me. The only difference is mine. It's just the same boring shit I put on all my other platforms. It's, it's for the day when I can put my feet up and move to the Caribbean. I think, like, like people pull me up on summer, right? Because I, out of all the platforms, there's one that really stands out for me and that's Facebook. I can't stand it. But people say, why are you still got a Facebook? And I say, I've never used Facebook on a personal level in my life and I never would because I despise it. But in regards to running a business, in regards to having a profile, in regards to it being a commercial decision, well, then you've got to use a bit of common sense. You've got to be able to strike a balance between it being commercial and supporting you commercially, to then it drawing you in and you playing farm games on it and being completely addicted to it. Exactly. And it's the same with TikTok. Why? The fundamental question is always why? Why am I doing it? Right? If right now, somebody says to you, I'm using TikTok because it's fun and, you know, but really fundamentally what it's about is they're looking at how many likes they've got, how many views they've got. Because ultimately that's what it really comes down to. Then of course that fits into the nefarious agenda. If somebody said, well, I'm using TikTok because I just post what I'm posting and all the other stuff to increase my profile, then that's a little bit different, perhaps, perhaps. But I will take the criticism because what somebody might also say is while being part of the platform is part of the problem. I totally agree. Yes, there is that, isn't there? Well, I mean, I think being part of any... My get out of jail free card is always that I believe the message I'm putting out is worth being a prostitute to these Silicon Valley psychopaths. I probably sound really rude. I don't mean this rudely, but I just don't understand why you'd want to go in public and tell everyone what you have for dinner. And as if that's in any way important to anybody, it's such massively self-absorbed. If not narcissistic, it's self-absorbed. It is a clue, Chris. The Silicon Valley lot, you know, the senior execs, the engineers, the designers don't allow their own kids to use that. And can I just say, I don't consider, because I've been trying to delete my personal... Not deactivate my personal Facebook for years now. And there always comes an issue with the business that I'm like, oh, this week I can't run adverts. Why after three hours of... Oh, it's because I'm running it from someone else's... Careful what I say in case Mark Zuckerberg's listening. But I don't consider that I've got the moral high ground because I just do it for business because it's still... People must be looking at me doing my run every morning and doing some, you know, some wiser words. And they might be trying to emulate me, but in their own life. It's interesting when you look at the agenda of the New World Order, destroying community, destroying family, promoting communism. Just how these platforms really do just self-absorb youngsters into this absolute world of meaningless, driveling nonsense. And I don't mean their lives when I say this because our lives are very important to us. I mean the fact that they're not watching a nature documentary or reading a, you know... Reading a book which I couldn't go a day without reading just one page of... You know, as a kid, Chris, I wasn't doing those things. What I was doing is an 80s version of what they're doing now is on the computer. You know, I was bored. Compared to kids nowadays, I spent more time playing football and being outside. So there was that. But the issue that we face, certainly from the youngsters point of view is they want things entertaining. They want things quick, they want things convenient and they're bored. And what social media and computer games and all the rest of them is offered that. Yeah, and they offer it in abundance. So in regards to competing against that as a parent. It's a tough job and it will always be a tough job because they've mastered the art of entertaining. And then when you add our biggest fear, I've already mentioned one of our primary fears. That's death, but the other one's even greater. Social acceptance. People. That's our biggest fear when we start to appreciate that as a life changer. That's where that's where being a sociopath probably comes in quite handy or have some sort of narcissistic personalities or we just don't really care what people think. Correct. If you could borrow that, that would be probably be. Well, again, that's why I wrote that one. You care too much. I can't wait to read it. It's about the mentality of being affected by social anxiety and the sort of mentality that you can adopt to counteract that. Does it give you an advantage for a sociopath? It's the ultimate edge. How do you define Karl's social anxiety? Because to me, caring too much about what people think. Okay. And where's the line between caring too much about people think and actually you are a bit of a dickhead. Is there a balance to be adding that? Well, I would say I would say I try not to really care what people I mean, you know what it's like, especially when you're content creator, you can't invest too much of yourself in that. You'd never be able to do what we do. On the other hand, if I was going out being a bit of a novel all the time, you know, putting myself lording it over other people, bigging myself up because I'm all just stuff that I know is, well, maybe I don't didn't realize was just a bit rude and a bit arrogant. Yeah. I kind of want to care what people think, you know, because I'd want to. I'd want to recognize it a bit. Yes. So what we're talking about there is awareness, self-awareness, being aware of, of how much of a dickhead we are and how much of a dickhead we ain't. But this isn't, this is what this box about. You care too much. This isn't about, you know, the people that say, oh, I don't care what people think. They're the people that care the most. Why? Because they wouldn't even have to say it. This isn't about not caring about what people think because everybody does. It's a fundamental trait. It's built into us. We care about what people think. That ain't going to change. So what you can change is the mentality towards it and the message that you're telling yourself, rather than saying you don't care, say you can't care. Because when you say you don't care what people think you're lying to yourself, you never get anywhere. You can't care what people think. That's literal. Because if you do care, it's going to ruin you. Brilliant. Can we talk about the moon? Yeah, go on. You go first. What do you want to know? All right. How about the... You landed in 1969, was it? And Nixon had a great phone call. Why was it, in that case, how come that when Branson went up yesterday or whenever it was, he's absolutely creaming in his pants. That basically went about as high as the lowest cloud you see in the sky. That they very generously allow him to call space, which equally probably just meant the parabellum effect where the plane went up and as it comes down, you feel momentary... Have you used VR? And for... Have you ever used it? Do you put the VR goggles on? Yeah, I'm having deja vu here. I'm not sure if I've used it or I'm remembering watching some video about somebody use some... Well, let me tell you something. It's pretty cheap now. You can buy these goggles and you can put your phone in it. People are dropping on the floor because you can really feel like you're on top of the building, for example. But there's these centres all over the UK now. You can go there and they're VR centres and they've got all different types of VR. And one of these things that they've got is a pod. And you can sit in a pod. And this pod, you sit in it. You put your VR goggles on. You hold on. And what this thing also does is it blows wind at you. Some of them have even got like wet that they blow at you and all this sort of stuff. And there's one particular one that I use that I literally have to take the headset off because it made me feel completely disorientated. It's this big swing. And it makes you feel like you're literally swinging over a big city and you're on this big swing swinging over these buildings. I'm not great at heights at the best of times. But being in this pod, it goes up and down. It shifts you like this. In other words, this is very basic technology, very basic, that is accessible. So if this is the type of technology that is accessible to Joe who wants to go to a VR centre at the weekend or whenever, then you could probably assume that the technology is probably more advanced than that. And I had to take the goggles off because it felt so real. That's probably as much as I like to say about what I believe. Yeah. I'll just say here and now this conversation is not for the 99%. This is for the 1% listener. Just know exactly what we're talking about. And yes, you're correcting your assumptions. I just find it really... I actually disagree with you, Chris. I actually disagree with you because all I'm suggesting is like I do with anything in regards to... I like asking big questions. That's why I've got the community that I've got, why I've set up Carl's community. I like asking big questions. I like having workshops and asking people big questions. Because however you look at it, don't just take my word for it, right? If you watch the TV and stuff like that, then you probably heard of Brian Cox. Right? Professor Brian Cox is moving his head to the side there. Right? He believes that we might be living in a virtual reality. So don't take my word for it. He's a professor. He's actually called a professor. He's an expert. I'm not an expert. I'm not an expert at the weather so I can't say anything about the weather apparently. But he's a professor. He believes that we might be living in virtual reality. So it's just a question. I'm just asking a question. Is it possible that we are in fact living in a form of virtual reality? Why not? Is that the same thing when people refer to as a simulation? Yeah, it's called simulation theory. Yeah, it's not far off the matrix. But isn't that what the universe is anyway? I mean, we assume that when we go like that and we feel something, that that's matter that is solid. But you could program a brain to think that easily because, you know, your arm goes down when the algorithm or whatever goes touch, it sends a signal, you know, the computer signals that you've got to stop there. It might be that. I mean, we're all ones and not so much ones and zeros, but we are all this, you know, we've got our molecular structure. Then we've got the quantum quantum science that under this. Maybe we are. Maybe we're not. What do you want to believe? Because I don't want to believe. Is it all right? I don't want to be. I don't care about any of this. I'm. What do you mean? Well, people seem to have this massive preoccupation with. Like gods and. And death and. You know, but I think all that's probably fear based. Whereas I can. Really, I'm not, I don't want to know, you know. I think what it sounds like Chris is you maybe expanded your intellect and awareness beyond certain things. So therefore it probably don't challenge you enough anymore. And because I don't know how you, I can't answer for you, Chris, but I think for me. One of the things that certainly gives me purpose. And what I think maybe things are about. If you want to ask the grandest question of all. Is, is, is. Is learning. As long as you're learning, then you're, you're evolving, you're expanding. Because the opposite to that is dying. He's going backwards. Is deteriorating. So for me, growing. I think that's about learning. So maybe for you. That sort of subject. Maybe you've kind of evolved past that. Maybe for me. I'm still fascinated by big questions similar to this stuff. Why? Because I'm very interested in what other people think. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I don't want to sound like a, what is it? Nihilist or something like that. I just mean that. If I could work out tomorrow, what, what, what God is or universal spirit or all these different names, which incidentally, I just think are all just divisive. They're all dividing what could possibly a great education and learning for all of us into these pockets of. This. Of animosity, basically, which why I always say universe is what most people will call God. I interchange it with mother nature. The thing is, I'm fascinating. You can see, I think about it an awful lot, but not to the point where if I didn't get my answers, I'm really going to. It doesn't matter whether you got the answers. Why? Because it's, it's like I said, Chris, the fascinating thing is we can think, oh, I've got the answer. There you go. It's nice that you might believe that. And who am I or anybody else? Who are you? I or anybody else to tell you anything different? Because belief can have so much positivity in regards to hope, faith, whatever you want to call it, it can have so much positivity. But in regards to it being definitive, perhaps, then for me, it, for me, there is no definitive. Why? Because I just see this infinite journey as, if it is an infinite journey as something that is a constant journey of learning, which means that things are changing. Am I the same person that I was when I was 20? No. No, I'm a very different. If I met my 20 year old, I'd probably think, well, I don't know. You're a bit weird, but I'm certainly not the same person. So if that is, you know, 20 years later, what about another 20 or a thousand or 20,000, right? That's the fascinating thing. I've got the answers about these things. Good. You know, I like your belief system. I like it. But is it definitive? It's debatable. Carl, listen, will you come back on again and have one of these chats with us? Well, it's been a good chat, Chris. It's always good to catch up with somebody that, you know, you enjoy these conversations, Chris. And listen, I think for me, I think it's important to have these sort of conversations. You know, for me, that's what it's all about. With that in mind, then, with that in mind, can you tell us more, mate, about your community? Because I'm always thinking, God, I wish I had a community where I could go and have these conversations with Peter. Yeah. So, well, look, there's a couple of things. I'm literally just so off the back of, obviously, our current situation. We've been going backwards in regards to social connection. So what I decided to do was set up some events, some workshops, where, you know, in regards to some of the things that we've spoken about, just really things that I think are going to interest people, but also be able to stay as lighthearted as we can as well and have a bit of a laugh. So I've created some events. So I've got a couple of dates, a couple of places still available on a couple of dates for the event. And then off the back of that, just very recently, in the last couple of days, I've launched something called Carl's Community. So all of this, you can find out more at CarlVernon.com. You go to the events tab that I'll tell you about the workshops. Go to the Carl's Community tab. It'll tell you more about the community. And what this community is all about, Chris, is exactly what we're talking about. For me, it's about bringing together like-minded people, have conversations, have live sessions, have phone-ins. And as we continue to grow, let's see what happens. Brilliant. And where's the best place for people to buy your books? Everything's on CarlVernon.com. So you'll find everything in the videos, books, the whole shebang. Brilliant. Cole, stay on the line so I can ask all the real questions after I've hit record off. But on a serious note, massive, massive thank you for coming on. And once again, massive thank you for the work that you're doing to our friends at home. Yes, wouldn't it be a horrible planet if we weren't allowed to have chats like this? Whether you agree with it, maybe disagree, maybe learn a little bit here, but disagree with something there. That's the beauty of life, isn't it? We're not hurting anyone. We're not setting out to bloody lord it over someone. And so I think freedom is good. I think freedom of speech is good. So I hope you got something from today. If you could like and subscribe, that would be wonderful. Much love to you all. See you soon.