 Lately, I have been told that maybe I spend too much time or I talk about some of the foolishness like what we just saw on the intro, a little too much, I've been told. And this is not just by the person who's going to come on, but it's happened quite a bit, quite a little bit more frequently of late where someone would say, and then at all in the same boat or even the same people theologically, but the response would be something like this. Let God deal with it. Who are you to judge? Things of that nature. And so the question is, should we call certain things out? How should we call it out? How often? How vociferous? What sort of language? What sort of intensity should we use when we're calling out foolishness? Who are you to say what's right, what's wrong? And oh, by the way, that's the reason why people don't come to church. And so I was, I got a tag on a video. I played the video before. I'm going to play it again. But in his name is, I called him in the video angel, but his name is Jesse Angel Camacho. He has a he has a channel and he had a short. And in the short, I got tagged and he's referencing a video. And I'm not sure if it's I'll ask him when he comes on if it's my video that that the conversation was about or not. But that preceded a conversation. Actually, it caused a response by me, not so much towards him, but towards the sentiment that I thought that it was kind of presenting. So before I bring Jesse on, let me play the video in question. We some of you all have seen before, we'll talk about it with him. And then he'll make his point as well. Amen. I want to share something with you guys. I've been feeling this spiritual attack for a while now. All of this debating and arguing within the Christian church is very confusing. And the truth of the matter is it's pushing unbelievers even further away. This comment section right here is from a video of another Christian man critiquing another Christian named Marcus Rogers. And he's asking some very simple and logical questions, which he should. He says, Why is this doctrine wrong and yours right? You can't even see what that book does to people. Look at the doubt that that cast and down below he says you Christians just can't see how silly you all look. You're always pointing fingers and judging one another. One group says your Jesus is God. The other says he's not one group says he gets baptized and speaking tongues. The other one says no. The list is so long. It's boring and mundane. I'm all for asking questions and challenging beliefs, even my own. But if you're a true believer, we're gonna have to figure something out because this ain't working. I don't know when it's gonna happen or how it's gonna happen, but it needs to happen. Jesus said this is how the world would know that you are his or the way you love one another. And so I there are parts of that that I agree with. I was there's parts that I disagree with. There's a lot of that I disagree with. And so I want to because it generated not just this the video that I did, but also a response in the comment section by Jesse. And so he wanted me to bring him on. And so I want to go ahead and do that. Guys, this is Jesse, Angel Camacho. Brother, how you doing? Good. How are you? Thank you for bringing me on. I'm making it. So you took some umbrage, you know, so you were bothered a bit by the video that I did. Tell me what was well, I guess it because if you felt like I misrepresented you, then then so be it. Tell me why tell me what we ought to be doing. I'll give you my my point, but I want to go ahead and give you give you the floor for a minute. Okay, so um, you know, starting off, it's not I'm not saying that debate don't have its place. I'm not saying that discussing things and searching the scriptures to further to give us further understanding of what the scriptures are telling us. I think that we need to do that that's a must. But the culture of what I have seen since I joined YouTube, I don't think it's healthy. And now there I have I love me a good debate. I am I'm not from church, I'm not from, you know, I'm from the streets. I grew up fighting. And so I'm a scrapper by nature, like by nature, I love to scrap. But at the same time, I don't love it at the expense of others. And so my thing is, is now I know that, you know, people will say, well, if God is truly calling somebody, a little debate ain't gonna hurt them. But I would say that maybe that's true. But it doesn't mean that that should give us a license to do it. And so I do believe that when a child when a child comes of age 18, even if his parents, he always grew up seeing his parents fighting and, and all that stuff in the house and it and it messed them up. Even if that is true, it doesn't matter. It don't give them an excuse not to live the right way, you know, a lot, you know, he can't just blame the parents. So in the same in the same way, people can't just blame the church, because they're not interacting with each other in the right way. Or then maybe they just, you know, they were at a church. Not every church is the same, you know, not every every week with there's so many different denominations and things like that. Everybody has a little different take on the scriptures or the way people act in church, or whatever. But and it's never an excuse to do that. So I'm not saying that it's going to stop somebody from coming to God. But when I when I read that comment, you know, because ever since I really ever since I joined YouTube, I got caught up in the debating and all that kind of stuff. And I'm like, I'm starting to I'm, you know, I'm looking at my life. I'm looking, I'm looking at the fruit. And I'm like, man, what what what what am I really doing? What am I really doing for God? And so I like I said, I love I love debating. I don't even really like I actually know I would say I do love a good debate. But at the I prefer a discussion more. I prefer to get with somebody get a group of people together that believe different things, search the scriptures, challenge each belief, see who stands stronger in the end. And and then go from you know, go from there. So okay, let me ask you this. What would be the reason in your opinion that would cause us to confront because sometimes you can confront the person one on one. Sometimes you don't have access to them. For example, if I wanted to, if Benny Hinn said something just outlandish, doubtful that I would be able to get his ear. Okay, so but so if I can't speak to the person one on one, what should we do? Or what should cause me to challenge that person's point? The person said something that and it's out there. Should we correct it? How should we correct it? How often should we correct it? So tell me how, how do you think that we should proceed? And granted, I get it that YouTube, there's a lot of poison on YouTube is a lot of poison in any social media street. But that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a review. I don't think. And so you tell me what what do you think in your opinion is the best way to proceed? Well, it's like in the in the short, I said, I don't know how it's going to happen or when it's going to happen. And I know people don't want to hear that. I have an ideal thing that, you know, what would be ideal, it would be equivalent to, you know, the parents not, you know, come thinking this thinking of it in this kind of lens, you know, I'm saying I'm thinking of it as there's children, their parents, and we are the mature ones, we are the ones that have knowledge of the scripture, who have a relation with Jesus Christ. We are to, you know, show the way and things like that. But does it so when I when I'm thinking of it as in that in that context, I'm like, All right, so is it right for me to constantly be arguing with my wife, and tearing each other down in front of the children? Should I go into a room and lock the door and have the disagreement there? Now, I don't think that there are you saying is it right to have a disagreement with a brother or or a person who professes to be a brothers in Christ? Is it right to have this disagreement aired publicly? Well, that's the that's the question because now I understand that it would be way more inconvenient and things like that. But I'm starting to think that maybe maybe on the public platform, you know, like I said, it's it's healthy for children. I think personally that I think it's a little bit healthy for for children to see their parents arguing, but not just arguing but overcoming as well. And so I don't think it's all bad. But when it's like, when the wife and the husband are saying no, you're the enemy. And constantly, I think that that destroys the children. Well, I would say that would be a little bit different. The husband and wife, that's one. That's one family unit unit. Obviously, we're not putting all the business out in front of the children. But at the same time, the husband or the wife has access to the other to go to them one on one, right? Now, there are going to be times where something might spill over in front of them. But that's not what we're talking about. The dynamic that we're talking about is someone in Chicago or someone in Arizona or someone in Africa or or Russia or where or have you says something. And they may have a thousand 100, 100 thousand people that hear that. And they say, yeah, you know what, that makes sense. Because here's what we do know. We do know for a fact that as good as we are or even at least our intentions are in studying the word and loving God and so forth. Better than us is the devil at what he does, right? He's he's been doing what he's been doing for so long. He is and if there's if anyone deserves a gold star for being a deceiver, it's him. I mean, that's that's what his name is. And so he can have someone say someone can say something. And it sounds so good. And it kind of makes you know what? Yeah, amen. And if enough people in the room say amen, the person who has some doubt who's thinking, I don't think that's right. But everyone is saying, amen. So, okay, I should say amen. Amen. I see your point. You know what? Right. Yeah, amen. Amen. And next thing I know, every time I hear that, I believe that. Why? Because I'm not studying for myself. And so what should we do? Well, do we let the poison fester? As the Bible says, a little leaven leavens the whole lump and we see it permeate all throughout the body. Now we've got all sorts of different movements in the world that were never nipped in the bud, because people would do like they did in in the early part of the 20th century in Germany, when because it was happening to someone else that didn't really bother me, then I don't mind the Jews being rounded up or I don't mind the Jews being kind of held back or or persecuted so forth with it because it's it's not my business. Let me just stay out of it. Let someone else handle it. Next thing we know we've got a world war two. And so the thing is, we are biblically, can you think of a scripture that tells us that we should not call them out? Yeah, I brought up the scripture to you on First Timothy. Is it 214, I think? First Timothy, let's go to First Timothy 214, let me put on screen. But just to kind of go off what you were saying. Yeah, I do understand that, you know, like you're probably not gonna be able to get ahold of Benny. But like I said, you know, I'm okay. So I'm glad you brought me on because this is why we're discussing this. So in my short, I said, I said, look, I don't know how it's gonna happen or what's gonna happen. But something needs to happen. And so that's what that's what we're discussing here. And so, you know, I'm trying to figure out, because of the complexity in social media is like, we don't even really understand social media right now so new. Why does something need to happen? Well, because it was like I was saying, I think that so it's like this, for example, I think you I'm not really 100% sure where you stand with this. But you know, it's like when people make videos talking about you shouldn't speak in tongues and all this other stuff. So it's like, okay, so the scripture says that you should not speak in tongues unless there's an interpreter. Because if somebody comes in seeing that they're going to think you're crazy in a barbarian. And so, so these people will say, Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you shouldn't do that because of this. And because you're going to turn people away. But but they won't say the same thing. When I say, All right, if people come in on in a church, and they just see us arguing, what is that going to do to that believer? And so the same logic is not being applied. And so and it's and I think it's being so that we can justify what we're doing. Now, like I said, the the social media thing is a new thing. So it's not as easy as like, you know, if you have a brick and mortar building, that would be clear to not do that for for just, you know, just in case a guest comes in or something like that. Social media is not it's not as easy with that because it's it's a public platform and anybody can access it. So it's not as but nevertheless, it is public and people who who are unbelievers, they can see it and access it. You know what I what I have found? I think that I, you know, I'm quite on the limb and assume that I'm excuse me, assume that I'm probably older than you. And in the 30 something years that I've that I've been saying, listening to the people who aren't Christian, what they say about us, they don't point out bad doctrine. They don't point out, I'm sorry, not bad. They don't point out all of our doctrine issues. They don't or they do actually take it back. They don't point out the fact that we are arguing. You know, they tend to point out the most. How in the world are you letting people like Benny Hinn out there? How are you letting this guy out there? You got this guy there molesting kids. You got this guy out there beating up women or cheating on his wife with five different girlfriends. Why aren't you Christians governing your people? Why that that is one of the bigger complaints. And by the way, we're commanded to do so. What I can't find is a description. We'll look at the script that you told to go to. But I can't find a passage that tells us that we should not or we should avoid calling out heresy or a wolf. And I think that there needs to be a distinction between who we're talking to. And I'll get to that in just a little bit. But if we're if we're talking to somebody about something that can be dangerous or harming to the body, there is no I don't think that there is a number of times that you can say that something is dangerous. I mean, think about it. How often should you warn of warn someone of danger? What would you say? Is there is there a limit on how often we should warn someone of danger? Well, well, I understand your point. But it's a little bit. It's not as clear with that because God is the one that does the saving. So it's not really we can't control what people want to listen to or or you know, things like that. Now, it doesn't mean that you can't point people out, you know, like Paul does. But one thing that I do see in the scripture is it is more it's it's it's not full of critiques and pointing people out. It's very few when you compare it to the to the all the other scriptures that are you know, especially in the New Testament, it's very, very few compared to what everything that said in in the scripture. So when we are consumed with pointing people out, I think it's not there's nothing wrong with pointing something out. Like, hey, look, you know, he said this, but here are these scriptures. Now you you pray about it. You seek God about it. Be honest with yourself about it. You know what I mean? And give your interpretation if that's what you want to do. I think that's that's fine. But to to say that we're supposed to be consumed with pointing people out. I don't really see a ministry with that. And if really, if I be honest, the only the only time I see that like words, they there is seems like they're consumed with that is the prophecy to the book of Ephesus, the letter to the book of or the letter to Ephesus. And it's and and God, you know, God can exalts, you know, says, you know, I'm glad to see you do this, you hate the Nicolations, you're pointing out apostles who are not apostles, all these things. But I have this one thing against you. And it's that you have forsaken your first love. And that's where I see the danger in that. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. It's a two part question. One, actually, that's a three part question. Do when you when you go to YouTube, just just all of YouTube, do you see only people being called out? No, it's mostly certain, it's certain channels. OK, now second question, but there's there's a second question. This is this is more personal to me. Do you think that's what I do? Um, I think that in the big, well, I don't know for sure because I haven't seen all your videos, but I know that the ones that that have been, well, I don't know that because like I said, I haven't seen all your videos. But I think that you did get a lot of attention from pointing out bad doctrine, which I don't think is a bad thing. But I would say I would say that, look, man, so I think it's a needed thing. OK, so I'm from a oneness Pentecostal church, right? Now, I don't believe in everything. And I'm talking about even foundational doctrines. I don't believe everything that they believe. But at the same time, you know, I can see your, you and these other people, I can see the need for people like you guys, because you guys are making people like demon slayers and people like Marcus Rogers think twice before they say something on video, because, you know, there is too much and there is too much weird stuff, right? That goes on. And, you know, I'm not going to say it's not from God, but I think that there are definitely a lot of things online that are not from God that are happening in churches. And there are not God, there are not being led by men of God who know know the difference between something that is flesh and of the spirit. I believe, let me tell you what I think ought to happen, how it ought to be. And everyone, and I've heard people say, hey, you know, you're always calling me. I'm not saying that's what you're saying, but other folks have said you're always calling. And I just say, have you even just, when you see a video in the bottom left hand corner, there's the icon that will bring a person to the person's page. You can see, here are all the videos, 750 something videos and 15% call the folks out. Now, will those get, will those videos get a lot of views? A lot of times they do. A lot of times they do. But I try to be careful to make sure that I put out a lot more videos covering edification or teaching than covering something that is about this person said or did something that's just outlandish, which has to be done now. If it's for one of these leaders, then you rebuke them once or twice and then you're on about your own business. And so it's no, after a while, though, it's no longer about calling them out or pointing them out to themselves, getting them to repent. It's about the people that are listening. For example, I did a video, a short about false prophets proving prophecy right. And in it, it covers Isaiah's how to var among others. And people are saying, well, why would you put him in there? He, he never pres gives a false prophecy. Matter of fact, you only see him preaching from the pulpit and so forth. Well, when I say, when I show them an example, some folks are like, whoa, I didn't know you said that. Some folks are before I even say anything to them. No, no, no. I think you're lying already. Well, wait a second. If I show you this, what will you do? Now, the goal is to warn the sheep. The goal also is to warn the would be sheep. The goal also is to rebuke the wolves. I don't sit and have a lot of current, matter of fact, the wolves and the false teachers and those that are that are unintentionally an error. They don't want to have the conversation, which tells me something, which tells me that the truth is not what they're after. It's their own fame, their own glory, their own brand being built. Because if I'm in error and it's a biblical error that I want to know about it. And so I think that anyone that that all they do is just call out what someone else is doing wrong. It can be dangerous because you get in the habit of only doing that. You go to this church or that church, you listen to this song of that or that sermon on TV or the radio, what have you. And your mindset is tuned to let me pick out where they're wrong rather than getting what you can out of it. And then if they say something wrong, you pick up on it. That's the difference in knowing your word and growing in your word. And then when when someone says something that does not match up with scripture, wait a second, that didn't that didn't compute. And so you've got people to get triggered or that go in. And there's some people that I have. I have unsubscribed to some people who were kind of quote unquote heresy hunters of late because they're out looking for heresy. That's a problem there. If you're looking for, there's enough out there, you don't have to go and make up anything. Right. And so that can be a problem. But there's also a whole lot of healthy biblical teaching on YouTube. There's always going to be some bad out there. There's always going to be that. But we are commanded to warn people now I want to go to your scripture because what while you're talking, I was looking, you said 1st Timothy 214. I think that's what it is. I don't have it written down. Okay, I'm not. I don't I don't think this is it. It says I'll put on the screen and says and Adam was not to see but the woman was deceived and transgressor that that that's not it. That's not it. Okay. No, I'll look. I'll look at it right now. Okay. While you are while maybe let's try 2nd Timothy. Second Timothy. Okay, let's put second. Yeah, you said and remind them of these things and charge them before God not to quarrel about words which does no good but only ruins the hearers do your and so says do your best present yourself to God as one approved a worker who who has no need to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. So what would how does this show I guess make your point that you were trying to make in your in your comment? Well, you asked me to provide you a scripture and so I just I just provided it to you. Okay, and I'm not I'm not trying to be I'm not trying to be rough but is that a scripture is telling us that we should not confront heresy or that you know that because if you say that that these things can cause an unbeliever to not come to the body or make me make people leave the church or would have yet and said all of that but if you say that that I've got to have a scripture because I don't I can't find one scripture that says hey guys be careful about how often you call these people out. Yeah, well okay so for one I don't think you I don't think you need a scripture to know whether something is bearing a good fruit or not but secondly so first first 14 it says of these things put them in remembrance charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit to but to the subverting of the hearers or or the I think the one I sent you said like it it it says it ruins the hearers okay this this is what I mean like all right so words uh so what comes to my mind with this is all right Trinity um said I believe you I think you might be in this camp but you have to believe in the Trinity to be saved or one is people say oh you got to believe in and one is to be saved now like I said people are going to think that I'm saying doctrine don't matter that's not what I'm saying but if you're going to say that something is heresy you got to show me scripturally not an interpretation not not uh you're the way you interpret the scripture but it plainly says that if you don't believe in the holy trinity then you're a heretic or if you don't believe Jesus is the father you're a heretic you know like one is believed I don't I don't I don't see a scripture for that and so what I'm seeing is this it's we're quarreling about words oh you need to believe in the trinity you need to believe uh in in oneness or whatever but they're they're not it's not really profitable when it comes to expanding the king when it comes to expanding the kingdom of god is not profitable at all okay so that's what I'm that's what I'm saying it can't it can't be really what you're saying because if that were the case we could never call someone out for Paul calls out Alexander because he he refused or he opposed their message well Paul doesn't get specific there but I'm pretty sure there were times where he did and so you've got to use words so it can't be just that well it's this word that word this is just the word that's used there is the word uh like a makeson which is just kind of just just this little endless chatter what do you mean by it kind of like the bill clinton uh statement that he made that all depends on what the word is is okay bill I'll tell you what we're through with you we're just go ahead and preach you you can have this conversation with your lawyer but we'll go ahead and preach you fine but the point is and here's the the main part of this he says which does no good but only ruins the hearers when we speak at least I do I try to someone can disagree if they want but when we cover something I'm going to have scripture up I'm going to work through what they said for example we covered this issue with the with the uh the the quasi races black heber israelite and I say quasi because they're they're not as racist but the ones with the pastoral guy and and and misusing the word Mia well I spent a lot of time on the word we're going to go through this because that doesn't bring ruin to the hearers the goal is now after I've said Marcus I've given Marcus the benefit of the doubt all right fine you do you over there and and and what I'm doing is as best I can turning you over to the devil in hopes that you would be that you would repent but in the meantime there are 600,000 people that are subscribed to him 500,000 folks that are subscribed to isaela saldar of ladder and all those other folks heresy or heretics are always going to have a large following always when I put on a video of these people saying these things like in the video the the intro there were a lot of people there and so we've got to cover what they just said which necessarily means we've got to bring up words and we may even have descriptive words to talk about what we what we just said so and we'll if you want to we got time we can cover this issue of the of the trinity if you want to but no I'm not trying to get into all that stuff I understand this issue if what someone is saying and what someone is hearing potentially causes damage or keeps a person from coming to christ if someone is thinking that when jesus says he who keeps my commandments and they mainly think he's some of the ten commandments which he's not by the way they think that we have to keep the ten commandments or the law well then guess what those people cannot become believers they can't become christian they can't be safe because paul says so these are folks who are tempted to be saved or justified by the works of the law by circumcision by the law and so we have to warn them how often as often as we can when a and then when a person commits another crime we also go out and and prosecute that as well so it's not that when and i'm pretty sure you're probably the same way if you see you a lot of people in america are frustrated with a person who commits a crime uh goes for the judge gets lets out and he goes and commits more crime and think well it's wait a second we had this guy in custody he just beat up and shot up a school or what have you now he's he made bond and he killed his wife and his kids but what happened and so as often as a crime is committed as often as we we are going to arrest those dangerous thoughts if they if they say here if they say something heretical 10 times well then 100 times we ought to condemn it not just by me but everyone else it would be helpful and this is the problem and i'm not i'm not saying you specifically but to you as well it would be helpful if you and every other christian called out heresy then we can deal with the other things but the fact of the matter is that we sit then if joe blow calls out this heretic for this false teaching then sure enough somebody's gonna come and say hey leave him alone who are you to judge wait a second did you hear what the man said let me let me play something for you i want to play a couple of clips and i want i want to get your take on and i want others to hear this this is uh the good prophetess why need to buy them the good prophet bishop jordan both of these are fake as a three dollar bill both of these are heretics of the highest order and they are bestowing their mantle a double mantle on another rank heretic and we'll show his heresy would you please join me i'm going to say to you come from this way and grab that in there we're going to lay this man to you upon this land of god and promise father is going to begin to pray and we're going to complete this word this isn't what i thought it is one that belonged to me yes yes yes yes and he said give it to him this is and cover him with it and father the prayer is simple it's simple this is your man's servant this is your prophet of the future so this guy is being told to us that he's the prophet of the future now he's being told we're being told that by two rank heretics i'm not going to cover why need to buy them i'm not going to cover bishop jordan bishop jordan is selling holy water and so forth uh pay to get your personal prophecy this guy if he had not repented and didn't know indication that he has is someone who is marked and on his way to hell and he is leading that listen there were people there in that building listening there was a large crowd there and they need to hear now if they don't listen that's on them but there's a warning now who who is this guy that they're bestowing this double mantle on this uh this new prophet of ours well this particular brother who is as as feminine as a feminine as they come i and there's been some scandal in regards to his uh being caught and so forth i won't get into all of that but i'll get into his doctrine or the foolishness that he says as a matter of fact just in case any of you haven't heard something outlandish in the last week let me just play you what this guy who who's receiving this double mantle let me just play to you what he said adam did not have a body through the research god's instructions to adam came before genesis two seven he said rule have dominion be fruitful multiply he said that to something with no ears so now this is the kind of stuff that you already said he said god said to adam to someone who had nobody to someone who had no ears and so that's the kind of stuff that we have to call out but he's got a following they all three of them have a following and so what do we do what we keep doing we'll never get to the point where we have the same sort of people or number of people following the lord we're not going to have that but that's not our goal our goal is not to surpass them in terms of numbers but we have a gospel that bypasses and overpowers what they're saying if he will hear our problem is we're too afraid to say it because i think for the most part we're too cautious about being nice about being pleasing about not offending someone and i would much rather someone be offended and go to heaven than then than not be offended friendly and go to hell iron does sharpen iron that's a friction uh in itself that the the rubbing up against each other and it sharpens us it makes us go back and look and if you and if i if i approach with the scriptures and you don't hear the scriptures okay fine i'm not i'm not gonna beat you over here i'm not gonna force feed you this but as long as you keep coming to the channel as long as you keep hearing me i'm going to do my very best to give you the truth i'm going to do my very best to say what the scriptures say i'm also going to do my very best to even expose as paul says in let's let's go ahead and pull this up as well as paul says in Ephesians 5 11 he says uh take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness but instead expose them for it is even shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret but when anything is exposed by the light it become visible i won't keep reading i'll let you guys continue reading that but i think it is our job to let people know that this is wrong and there should always matter of fact just what one last thing uh we're told by the um uh in proverbs says open rebuke is better than love that is concealed faithful are the wounds of a friend but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy i don't want to tell you anything because i don't want to offend you so you know i think you're doing a good job no no i think what you're doing is wrong and i can say that and not have any any ill feelings towards you i got a issue of what you just said not necessarily with you i think you're wrong that's why i can i can talk to people who may even think that i'm that i'm going to hell that i'm a heretic what listen i you matter you matter your soul matters so much soul that i'm going to tell you i'm going to how do you just see 33 33 some of you folks that are in your 50s 40s and 50s and 60s y'all know what i'm talking about uh you might know this too it but we used to have mothers and men who they didn't care whose child you were or how old you were if they saw you doing something wrong they're gonna tell you and they might talk they're gonna talk to you crazy they're gonna talk to you like you're their child which and it's not a bad thing they're not talking like you are a child but like you are their child because they don't want to see you don't they don't want to see you harmed they want to see you get it we used to have folks that go on the street and tell somebody's young knuckle heads listen stop doing what you're doing they don't have respect anymore because they don't think anyone loves them and they know no one loves them because no one tells them the truth instead we rather give them a hug and think about this i'd rather hug the wolf while he's eating the sheep i'd rather hug the wolf while he's eating the sheep rather than doing like even a hireling would do this from time and time beat the wolf off make sure that i lead them in separate in the right path or at least try they may not follow that's fine it won't be for lack of trying and i think we have a lot of Christians who don't try yeah uh yeah i mean you said a lot a lot went through my mind i'm not there's no way i'm remember all that but um so the thing is is you have to you have to define like i get what you're saying with those people that you just played now uh i'm not condoning anything that they're doing but the question becomes when does somebody become a wolf to quarry like who is who is a wolf to quarry that's a good question here's the answer i don't call a personal wolf who doesn't do anything intentionally see a person can be unintentional in in saying something heretical or false if a person says first of all a false teacher is not someone who says something false because we all do at some point in time we all do that's not a false teacher the false teacher will be categorized as someone who does it habitually and intentionally meaning they have no regard for listening so when i say hey so-and-so at this church or so-and-so at on this channel you stated this i disagree can we have a conversation no no no no no no no no matter fact not only no i'm going to hit you with a copyright strike that's how much i don't want to hear you talk i want to shut okay well now i'm i'm understanding because now the bible tells us and i and i give them scriptures i had a conversation well known that i disagree with the demon slayers now they are every last one of them knows my name every last one of them except for marcus rogers has blocked me now i've asked to have a conversation this before it got to the point where it is now that's the point you know what they get what they get but i've given them my scriptures and said listen you are required by the bible to defend yourself to always be ready to ask it's not like your answer they don't answer anyone but someone who's friendly who's not going to test them or put their feet to the fire and so what does that tell me they have no interest in the truth other than being right before the people keeping the subscribers coming in touting how many subscribers you got how many of you all but that's fine if that's what you want to tell but you're playing with with lives and here's the issue if we think that you're preaching a different gospel or what well well if i'm wrong about now in my opinion a different gospel is you're preaching a jesus who doesn't have the power to heal and deliver you totally he can do it partially but we need you demon slayers or anyone else like that to come in and finish a job i think that's a different gospel a gospel that keeps people bound bound or thinking they're bound because you say so now i could be wrong i could be wrong if i categorize you as a wolf and it's not like it's not like it's a lot of folks that i've categorized as a wolf there are some people i think that they just got bad doctrine bad teaching right there are some people who i think that i think that some folks gonna be bothered but i think that replacement theology or if they want to call it fulfillment yet theology i think that's bad doctrine i think there's horrible hermeneutics to get there they're not wolves now if i think that what you're teaching is rank heresy uh and and i think that you're a wolf because go back and i don't call everyone a wolf that i disagree with but if i call you that if i say that and i'm giving you my scriptures and i'm giving it the same sort of attention that the bible gives person thinks the same way and you don't want to tell me you don't want to answer me you want me to shut up and go away just take your word for it yeah that's exactly what the Pharisees did though they call us Pharisees and so yeah there there is no there is no no biblical no no dictionary textbook way of determining what a wolf is we just know that wolves will come we do know though what the bible does call them are false teachers and false prophets and if i see that you've given one at least one but in many cases two three four five false prophecies or fake prophecies guess what i can call you a false prophet and what category would the bible put a false prophet in a wolf the category of a heretic a false teacher and so whether i call you a false prophet a false teacher a heretic or a wolf same thing now you disagree or one of their supporters disagree shouldn't you at least try to defend like peter says always be ready to give a defense so give a defense of what you do so if i ask you why do you believe x y and z now i spend a lot of time trying to answer questions i really do i can't even keep up i try to open myself up to deal with these folks and even have i was on a phone call with with the person for about two hours yesterday on this whole issue of can men have extra wives and so forth and why the bible does not say you you should and why that their whole doctrine is a cult a cult like doctrine that's what i do my whole job outside is to just do outreach and so i i i i actually believe that your soul matters that you matter so much so that if you're drinking poison i'm going to tell you hey listen that's poison by the way now am i going to keep knocking out of your hand no now i'm also at some point i'm going to turn my attention to the person who's saying quit telling him he's drinking poison well wait a second wait a second why do you want me to not tell him that he's drinking poison what's going on with you and so at some point in time you also get the ire of the people who are trying to protect the sheet so what i must i'll say this to you jesse that if you make videos to say that we that that something needs to be done and that it's causing it's a problem in the body uh it it comes off as though you're protecting you may not feel that way but it comes off that way and i'm gonna say jesse we got to talk to you now we got to talk to you because it won't be long jesse it won't be long before you find yourself defending one of these folks not necessarily because of their doctrine but because we shouldn't be going at it like that meanwhile their doctrine is killing people the well i see what you're saying um i i get i mean i get what you're saying but um so me personally um now i'm not going to say the eye does not have need of the ear and all that other stuff because we do but i don't need another person to uh tell me oh this person is teaching false doctrine i'm going to go check it out myself and i'm going to see if so if you're going to call something so you say we should point out heresy the the issue is not pointing out heresy in itself the issue is everybody has a different interpretation of a particular scripture that's the issue and so it gets confusing so how do we fix that that's what that's what that's why we're discussing that well so how we think my thing is so what if what if what if there was a um say everybody had their own website or something like that where people could come on and we as even though some people will say that i'm not part of the body people say you're not part of the body whatever whatever but the body of christ comes together and works out these issues and if a new believer comes and wants to listen in and things like that fine they're already a believer so it's okay well jesse that that can work the best man win that can that can work but matter of fact let's just do this can can you see the chats right now okay uh i want you to go back and check out the chats later at this mark we are an hour and i mean an hour we are 51 minutes in 50 minutes in guys in the chats i want to ask you a question how many of you used to believe a false teacher and now you don't because you've heard not necessarily through me but through other folks but who have warned people about that the false teacher that you were listening to that you've left because what i'm saying is this is jesse there are a lot of people out there who used to listen to some of these people and it took someone saying that's wrong do you know who did that everybody that wrote a book in the bible did so think about well yeah every everybody that wrote a book in the bible well everybody yeah everybody that wrote a book in the bible think about that for a second every writer in the bible warned of wolves when i look at you ought to see all the means warned of false i don't i don't care about what your followers are saying bro because you guys are all they they all are the same they just wait for a play you're waiting for a chance to listen to somebody jesse you did a question i've been listening to you for 30 minutes bro i've been listening for 30 minutes i ain't said nothing so don't say that jesse i said you didn't listen what i said okay now number one calm down number two i asked them i said i said go back and check how many of the people in the chats have had some i used to follow a false teacher and someone warned them and now they don't i'm gonna ask you what to believe what they believe i'm saying what they that they left somebody because someone told them so jesse my point is people are going to need to hear someone to warn them and the proof of the bible is that every single writer that i can think of i might be wrong but every writer that i can think of at least once or twice or three times warned us about false teachers everyone so if you come back jesse come back and say that we ought to be careful about it or we shouldn't do it who are you telling that to to paul to peter to john to jesus to jeremiah who spent his entire ministry warning to isiah the ezekiel to moses who are we going to tell the bible we shouldn't do that because if we do that we run the risk of running people away because we don't see that in scripture not one time so when you say that that's what we ought to do give me a scripture to say we ought to do that okay all right so you say that these people are false teachers so basically what you're saying is people should stop following men to follow another man no they had to hear they had to hear another teacher say hey this person over here is teaching something falsely how are they gonna now you need to follow and now you need to follow me so for example hey marcus all your all your followers are following you and listening to your heresy so now you need to follow me and listen to what i'm teaching because i have the truth i think that's arrogant okay jesse okay fine let's see if that's arrogant let's put on the side for let's let's put on the side for now let's test and see how what you just said makes any sort of sense if it's plausible or possible if you don't listen to me a man or another man how are they gonna know i'm not saying that it's not necessary but what you're saying is moving a whole massive people and you're saying to follow uh stop following this man so you can start following this man jesus said no do not do not call no man no teach your teacher the holy spirit will lead you in all truth so when i say i don't need a man it doesn't mean i don't need a preacher the bible clearly says the preacher uh uh um what is it uh saves it the body of cry why don't i don't know how exactly it's saying but it's in there so the god chose a foolishness of preaching to save his people yeah that's fine but at the same time paul said you know i rejoice that they looked at the scripture to see what we said was true now that's what i mean by following the holy spirit who the people that he was talking about who i don't i don't i don't know who's talking about the barians he went to baria and they did that now did paul say that about anybody else okay so you're saying it's wrong to check and see if what somebody's saying is it's true no you know listen if someone is saying something then let's say let's say i think it's wrong i think i just think it's an error i'm not true but i think it's an error and i ask you about it and you say no you're not worth my time okay well who's an error not me i i don't think it is and i'm using scripture but now there are some things that are that are that are pretty evident it's the person who i'm saying is teaching a heresy it is incumbent upon them to say no it's not here's why be why because somebody's listening if someone says quarry what and they've said it quarry you're teaching the heresy you're a wolf you're this you're that i ask them do you want to come on and and and share that with me with the people warned them share with me and the audience where i'm wrong at let's go over scriptures now i've done that with two heber israelites i've done that with with with with several other people and i go over the scriptures now that's all we can do the people that were calling wolves they don't even do that but let me ask you question though jessie paul says matter of fact let's put on the on the screen let's go to scriptures he says in 2 Timothy 4 he says i charge in the presence of god and of christ jesus who is to judge the living and the dead by his appearing and his kingdom he says this preach the word be ready in season and out of season and these next three are important reprove rebuke and exhort with complete patience and teaching or all-long suffering this reprove means they believe this show them that they're wrong show them that that's not the argument huh that's not the argument everybody would everybody would agree with that that's not what the argument is here so i'm not trying to it's real easy what's the argument the argument is if what we're doing the culture that we have created is healthy from believers that's what the argument is it's not again we're proving and rebuking and all that stuff this this is the argument this is the argument this is the argument because it's not because you can do that you can do that in the what okay just keep talking go ahead no sir make your point it it doesn't say we have to rebuke uh you know in public it doesn't say we have to rebuke in a certain area so what i'm saying is the whole issue is about what i said which i don't understand what you have a problem with about that uh if you're unless you're just trying to justify uh arguing stuff on youtube i don't know like it does all the stuff that you're saying isn't even really have to do with what the the core of the issue is that you brought me on for you're trying to debate on so like you're talking about false teaching and all this other stuff like okay so but what what if you're saying okay you take you take a chapter and you say all right if anybody teaches anything different than what i'm telling you right now is heresy then another person says oh that's heresy so you so you go you have 10 different youtube channels that say a non-believer is coming and they're like man these people all they do is say everybody thinks they're right everybody thinks the other person's a heretic everybody else thinks the other person's a wolf like why would i even it's like a flip of the coin which one should i believe because if i believe in this person then a i'm a heretic if i if i follow marcus then a i'm a heretic or if i follow you then i'm a heretic but i don't think it i don't think that's what it is and i have a i have a proposal that i think that every person can agree on and i don't think that we should be saying oh you have to believe this or unless it's heresy and all that because a lot of times we're taking these these uh scriptures and we're inflating them to be other things that that that's not even being said am i am i don't like scriptures i'm i'll i'm talking about yeah the warnings that we're being told matter of fact this does go but that's a broad that's a broad like that could be what what exactly is it talking about like in one situation i'm getting there i'm i'm going to assume that you're not as familiar with this particular passage and i'm getting there because it's pat what paul is talking about is exactly what we're talking about it's exactly what but i'm but he's making his point as he gets there he says to reprove he didn't say to do it in public or private he just says reprove which means someone thinks this if they're wrong reprove them prove them wrong he says rebuke if someone who is wrong and they're not going to listen rebuke them sometimes publicly sometimes privately rebuke them he says exhort constantly you're constantly you're always doing he says with all long suffering so you keep doing it you keep doing it here's the reason why he brought brought this up this is why this this is your main to what we're talking about he says why for verse three for the time is coming when people will not endure sound doctrine but instead of what he says but have itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into miss or when they're often to miss and so it's important that we understand what does that mean but what does that mean you it means that you're painting a broad brush of truth is that's what i'm saying like the point is just the point is this the time is going to come when people are not going to listen to what sound doctrine is what actual teaching is they're going to want to go and find anybody to teach them hey you can have a million dollars by tomorrow just give just believe you can cast every other demon out of you but you can do all these different things the time is going to come this is pretty i think it's pretty clear the time yeah but then those then those people those people that are seeking that they're lost anyways so why worry about no no no no no look what he says the point that he makes is the time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine so what are we supposed to do preach the word that's why we reprove that's why we rebuke because there's some people that have that have stopped listening to sound doctrine there are some people that have itching ears that someone goes to and reproves them or rebukes them and they say you know what you're right and they come out of that that's why we do so paul matter of fact paul is on his death bed and you know what he does he calls out a false teacher we know he's got to be a false teacher because paul calls him one that is alexander he says beware of alexander and as we go through the the rest of this he tells us okay why huh okay so what's the particular thing that he said he the reason he's a false teacher he didn't he didn't say he said he he said he opposed our message he said beware of alexander let me put on the screen so you can so do we have do we have the apostles here right now no no okay so are you claiming to be an apostle he's not telling the apostles to do this i this is that's not what i asked you i'm saying are you claiming to be an apostle to be able to say that anybody who believes something different than you they don't have the truth no that's not no i'm not saying that at all i'm saying if you think someone didn't have the truth if so okay so then you have to but you have to define what that truth he's talking about is it depends on what he's talking about jesse if we're talking about this if we're talking about xyz and i think xyz is is harmful and i call it out and i call it out then the person who i'm saying if they disagree you know what they're supposed you know they're supposed to do biblically biblically that person is supposed to as peter says always be ready to give a defense they don't do so and so what i'm supposed to do just you know what the person want to have the conversation so i won't i won't talk to them i won't have this conversation because they don't want to have the conversation no that's not the way this work the way this works is we keep warning people we keep letting people know that there is danger now some of this stuff is just clear if you're doing something that's brand new if you're doing something if if if you are being slain in the spirit and there's no biblical example and i'm saying guys that's not right we don't have a biblical example or text why are you doing that if you're doing this with tones if you're doing about the trinity anything and i don't see a biblical text or mandate and i call it out biblically you have the responsibility to respond either to me or just generally they don't do that okay so okay so i think i get what you're saying you're just you're you're saying that the people can't come up and defend that you know particularly say like let's just say being slain in the spirit since it's not found in the scripture they should be able to give an account of why why this is happening and why they're teaching it i'm just giving an example if i think so i could be wrong i could be wrong if i think that that person or what they're saying is wrong i could be wrong if i say hey listen i got a question answer this question and they don't answer the question what am i to do oh well they won't answer the question so i guess i guess i'm wrong no i matter of fact i'm wondering why they won't answer questions since biblically 1st Peter 315 tells me to do so so guess what and i'm looking at the description and make sense i'm trying to find anybody anybody to show me where i'm wrong i could be wrong i'm open to that i had that issue with Marcus Rogers more at first Marcus Rogers i said you know what maybe he is just confused maybe that's well no after a while what he's doing is intentional same thing with Pagani same thing with Saldavari you don't want to have this conversation and so fine forget talking about a specific word i don't have to use a specific word to make the point what i'm saying is if this passage says that i don't see that you don't want to deal with it and you're teaching like some folks are doing what we know is a clear um heretical teaching a different gospel then we call it out it's my job your job all of our jobs if we see something say something it's in the 9-11 thing where you know this is a biblical thing if you see heresy warn people now you might be wrong but so here's a thing go ahead go ahead no go ahead no go ahead finish it go ahead finish your point if you see something and you think it's wrong and it's not wrong well then guess what now someone say no no that person not wrong here's what we're gonna look oh okay i'm glad you explained it to me but if you don't speak to me well then what am i supposed to do if you don't speak not just to me because who am i but anyone else these folks that we call out they don't speak to anybody else and so again and then the analogy that i always use is you said you've got kids i'm pretty sure maybe you have maybe your wife has gone on to the states arkansas has one sex offender registry and in that registry it tells us that there are how many sex offenders there are out there what they've done who they're who they are and where they are who they are and where they are those are important as well because now you jesse can now know to make sure that neighborhood has 12 sex offenders in that neighborhood my kids are not going to that park over there right yeah it's healthy i it does no good to say hey they're bad teachers out there don't say who they are what they what they've done where they are that makes no sense we let folks because how long how loud how hard do you warn folks that the bridge is out cars are driving and the bridge is out and you you already know what do you do hey the bridge is out do you hope a message no you are out there yelling and screaming and all this like that you want people to know don't go down you're gonna die hey as loud as you can don't go well that's what we're doing and this even more so so how often should we call these folks out how much time you got all day long every day and it's it's not it's not gonna be just because we because again we can cover something over other teachings such as the deity of christ we'll cover this issue of tongue we'll cover spiritual gifts we'll cover salvation we'll cover how to read the bible hermeneutics and so forth we'll cover all those different things and yeah they may not get the number of viewers but guess what that part is fine too because let me let me let me give you the the youtube marketing secret let me let me let me let me lay some game down for you some youtube game down for you and it's just it's not youtube game this is just this is just human beings if i talk about this heretic Marcus Rogers who is some folks are gonna oh what do you say about Marcus Rogers but guess what they end up doing they'll also be able to hear whatever is being cooked in the kitchen we're talking about salvation over here we're talking about tongues we're talking about the Holy Spirit we're talking about dispensational theology versus current theology versus armenianism versus provisionism we're talking about all those different things we're talking about election we're talking about all the now those videos might get 10 15,000 20,000 well this other video might get 100,000 what have you okay fine but guess what it rush to the table now you can hear these things because sometimes folks just sometimes folks turn on the news when there's been a disaster how many people went to church after 9 11 how many a lot some folks stayed a lot didn't but some folks stayed and so I'm telling people as best I can look after that person this is what and I'm going to the scriptures and so when Isaiah Saldivar refuses to say something to me but he'll make a video in response know Isaiah this is literally what this word is and it doesn't happen like you just said it and I'm showing the scripture when he makes a statement that what does he say Philip in Acts 8 after because he it's in response to me I said that no believer after after the founding of the church after the gospel's priest that's true deliverance after that do we see anyone getting a demon cast out of them and he makes up this story there's a lie about Acts 8 that Philip goes down to Samaria preaches the gospel and then spends the rest of his time casting out demons well let's just go to Acts 8 look and see well it's not there nothing that you just said is there Isaiah but guess what a thousand folks will listen to that live stream and him tell that tell that lie now I think where I think what it is is I think where you're drawing the line of heresy I don't draw the line because a lot of the times when you see Paul and he's saying he's warning people would stay away from this person I mean he's talking about people who are doing obvious things like sleeping with their mom or sleeping with whoever teaching people to abstain from meets and forbidding to marry and things like that like the things that you're talking about which I I disagree but like your interpretation of scriptures and all that but I'm that's not why I'm on here I'm not I'm not on here to do debate all that but can I so the question is what no I'm saying can I can I correct you because I'm not talking about people who are talking I'm not talking about folks who are sleeping with other people I'm not talking about that I'm talking about that that's what I'm saying and they're talking about that that's what I'm saying they're talking about that that's my point okay but that's my point my point is those are the people that Paul was warning to stay away from who that's who Paul was warning the churches in all his letters he when he would warn to stay away from people like this or these people are coming in in these days or or that he would he would give a description of what it is and it and it was never okay I was just reading like I was read I was just reading like two different passages and I'm sure there'll be more if I read more he was given a description like I think it was the one that said it was either the first first Timothy or second Timothy but he was saying the people are the people are coming in the last days that are going to teach abstain from a marriage and abstain from meats and stuff like that and he was saying take heed to your doctrine so you don't believe these things and so it wasn't like oh because he here's the thing man like the way I view it the apostles in their time they had one message one now we're in a whole different situation we're in a whole different time and so when you're saying oh they're a heretic for this and another person oh they're a heretic for this because there are so many different beliefs and interpretations and denominations I think it's all gone I think I think that trying to say like oh people should follow me because I have the truth I think that that I don't believe that I don't believe that that's we can do that God deals with us he deals with humanity based off the situation and our situation we don't have just one message you're telling people that say Marcus is teaching a different Jesus and other people are saying you're a Pharisee and all these other things like it's way too confusing so there has to be and look I've always been the person that when I would hear Marcus say oh we need unity I would be like man what like no like doctrine is important I've always been that person but now after being in this you know not even a year I'm like no there has to be a different solution so I'm like God what do I have to believe what do I have to believe in order to be safe and I'm like is unity possible so now unity on every point no but the scripture does say strive for the unity of the faith you can't strive unless it's difficult and you can't strive for unity if there's not unity in the first place and so there has to be disagreements in order to to have all things in common Paul even said at one time and and every thought and everything be be one being unity and so there's a need for Corey there's a need for I believe Marcus and other people I don't I don't know about the demons or I haven't followed them I don't I don't really know I've seen a couple things but my point is all right you're gonna call someone a heretic which I I don't see I don't see scripture saying that that person's a heretic because of that okay so let me correct you but go ahead go ahead so you and well the thing is is that you're saying things and I'm trying not to get on other topics like you believe you know Marcus is a false prophet because of the things and all that stuff I don't believe that and I know people are gonna be like oh I can't believe he said that he followed you he probably prophesied falsely and all this other thing it's like no like I'm actually coming out with a video I've already recorded it and and it's and it's gonna point out three false prophecies in the Old Testament and those people were never called false prophecy actually one was in in the New Testament and they were still were not called false prophets and so all I'm saying is we are interpreting things in a different way you're you're interpreting it this way another person's interpreting it that way and it's just it's just a bunch of like like it's it's it's it's like what that guy said in the comment it's just boring and mundane and just saying thing over and over again oh this dude's a heretic and this and that like ain't nothing wrong with pointing it out but we have to I think that if people really want to work things out like so I ask myself is it possible is it even possible for there to be some kind of unity and like I said before that was never an option to me because but you know and I say god you know what what do I have to believe to be saved so if I ask you what is a foundation of of if you're saved or not the foundation is a one dispersion the foundation is pretty easy the foundation is pretty easy it is that we are in need of a savior we cannot pay the debt that's required Jesus pays that debt and because of that the debt that's paid upon our faith in what he's done we receive immediately we are immediately baptized into the Holy Spirit into the body we are believer and we are sealed until we ultimately get to our final destination but we cannot lose what he's given us that is the gospel not that we have to work to it not that we have to work to keep it and so forth anything other than that is a different gospel now you made some you made a point you may actually make a couple of points yeah but you're yeah but you're yeah but you're you're adding a whole bunch of different doctrines in there no I didn't no I didn't the one I said faith let me tell you a couple of words you're trying to defend what saved always saved while saying this is the foundation like that no I can tell you what the foundation I can and I've given you the scripture and that's for every single person and that's on this live anybody else whether it's even if it's Ruslan or Marcus or Alan Parr you all the followers there is one foundation it's not all this added stuff all this added stuff is extra biblical and so what I'm saying is that Matthew 16 and I gave it to you 16 through 18 I believe that is the foundation of every believer all right let's put let's put on screen Matthew 16 through 18 it says Simon Peter replied you are the Christ the Son of the living God and Jesus asked then bless our you Simon Barjona for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my father was in heaven I tell you you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell should I prevail so so what is the gospel or what what is that that that hold on hold on well gospel just means good news but what I'm saying is that is the foundation of every believer Jesus Christ in another passage says he is the cornerstone so Jesus said this is the rock right he's he called Peter the rock this is what I will build my church upon and that is the revelation when somebody has a revelation given by God that he is the Christ the Son of the living God that is something that we all can agree on everybody can agree on that is the number one foundation like before doctrines before anything you have to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and you can't just say oh he's the Christ because somebody told me no the father who is in heaven has to reveal it to you Jesse Jesse which is prophecy by the way Jesse is it possible that someone can say that Jesus is Christ and still be a wolf still be a heretic yes okay then so so now I know that's the foundation I said I say the revelation I say I said Jesse that you must place your faith in what Christ did I said yeah but you added all this other stuff no I did you added all this other stuff no all that goes with it all of that goes with it I will be glad to replay everything you said and count all the words that you said I'll say it again I'll say no I don't no no please don't I've been sent for 30 years just don't I've been sent Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God Jesse that is the foundation of every believer okay a person must place their faith in Jesus Christ on what he not just in on what he did that's what you must do you must confess that he is the Lord according to Paul and I'm saying it different ways I'm saying the same thing different ways now I want to back up okay you made a statement couple statements first of all you one I'll just address in in in five and a half seconds that there are three false prophecies please don't tell me you're going to actually say there was a false prophecy or has a kind that was a false prophecy or the old prophet who gave a lie the bible clearly indicates that he was a false prophet the bible does indicate what false prophets are now the point that you made though we'll see about that they're they're not they're not calling out of the set that we're calling out no they're talking about doctrine they're calling out doctrine I'm not spending time and they're and by the way now they do call out appearance sin like in first Corinthians people just sitting by just letting sin happen and they don't do anything but they also call out bad understanding bad doctrine that's what Galatians is about as a matter of fact we put on the screen this passage here Romans chapter chapter 16 I'm sorry was it Romans 16 verse 17 look what he says I appeal to you brothers to watch out for those those people who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the what to the doctrine that you have been taught avoid them and so the whole point so let me ask you this who are the people causing divisions right now who are the people that's calling divisions anyone that's teaching a different doctrine that they're teaching ungodly under the doctrines that's not no that's not who do you say who do you say the people are calling them out for doing so not necessarily because you call them out that's not in and of itself in your opinion it's people that that cause divisions like for example I think that you're causing one right now because I made a video pleading with the body of Christ saying hey we need to do something different but yet we're here on on video and and it seems like you're trying to look for a reason to be able to to do those things so okay fine that's fine that's what you want to do why did I respond to your video I'm not going to try to huh why did I why did I respond to your video what do you mean why did you respond to my video why did I respond to your video you know you wanted to know why it's wrong no you tagged me Jesse you tagged me I wouldn't have seen the video if you didn't if you didn't if you didn't put at smart christian channel so you tagged me okay I forgot okay I forgot that I did that but what's your point so so wait a second so you tagged me but wanted me to shut up afterwards no that's not how it works I would not have known about the video I said okay fine but there's more than just you saying let's stop there there are guys that say hey I apologize for ever coming at you I apologize for ever calling you no no no Jesse the way this works and biblically give me a passage that tells us to stop call well because you can't and so what I did was I said okay well my issue is and this is going to be this is why it's going to be difficult because on this video because you're mentioning all these things on why Marcus or this person or that person is a false whatever and without getting debates with for all of those things it's hard to not get into all that stuff but you have to realize man that I'm not saying that there's not a need for what you're doing I'm not saying there's not a need for for whatever but if you're going to make the claim that somebody's a heretic I need to see that in the scripture so you want to say oh and I'm not talking about interpretation I'm not talking about the way you are interpreting the scripture I don't care about what you have to say Jesse now I do think that what you're saying is valid have I ever I do care about your I do care about your and uh what you have to say about a particular scripture but I'm not going to be like oh Cory's an end all be all I'm not no like if you're going to say if you're going to say that so what I'm saying is you're talking about Paul saying oh uh you got to watch out for these false teachers and this and that but from what I read just today he's talking about some obvious things things that are obvious okay and you're talking about and I don't even know I don't know how like I don't know if you believe that people who don't believe in the trinity or heretics you probably do but even if you don't even if you don't you have to back that up so like what I'm saying is the only the only what don't have you ever has anyone ever in the history of of this channel seen me cover somebody without giving scriptures when do I not dude anybody can bring up a scripture though anybody can get a scripture and interpret it anybody can do that jesse that's why you have all these denominations okay jesse jesse jesse here's the now here's the thing though jesse all I can do is go off what I see and how I see it I show my work I don't do like a lot of other people and just put the scripture out there and just say it means that I don't just say John said this and that's what it means I'll go over why now here's the problem and tell me if I'm wrong a matter of fact anyone else and all of you too who disagree and there's a bunch who disagrees with me whenever I give my point you know what they what they also get mad at me about you're always relying on the Hebrew and the Greek and this and that oh what what what dog on it what I'm supposed to do I'm not just giving my opinion I'm showing my work I'm showing how I got to this point and so if someone gives a false prophecy your false prophet if someone makes a statement about deliverance and they use a passage and that passage does not say that at all I say okay Isaiah where does Philip go and deliver after they receive the gospel nowhere in this passage show me where and so I point that out the Bible says that people are going to leave sound doctrine and find that for themselves because they want to be blessed they want stuff they want to know that God is with them that they won't suffer there'll be no persecution no prosecution none of that stuff and I'm saying just like Paul they will not endure sound doctrine they will have itching ears and go find a demon slayer a Marcus Rogers a Benny Hinn a Creflo Dollar a TDJs they'll go find them because they say what they want want to hear just like in the garden and it's been the same way just like in the garden what a Satan do say just what Eve wants to hear she's been looking at this fruit all this time that's some nice looking fruit and he says this is why y'all eat it James rebutts that and he says that when sin is conceived in the heart then that's the temptation that's how you're led away because it was conceiving your heart you saw it first thought about it and so you got these folks that are preaching all this stuff that makes them feel good rather they'll leave actual sound doctrine Paul says to mark those who create divisions how not by calling out bad doc I mean not not by what we're doing they create division that is contrary to the teachings of the bible now if you think that my what I'm saying is wrong and they haven't done so well then prove it then say so now you haven't done it because you haven't given one scripture to say that we should not call these folks out or how we should call them out you haven't given one see this is this is see Corey look man this is what I'm talking about look man I tried to be cool with you and and all that stuff but I didn't come on here trying to stump you which I could if I wanted to you're trying to stump me I'm not listening at all listen listen listen listen please bro I have listened to you talk you brought me on to express and you're just sitting here talking the whole time give me a scripture I did give you a scripture that's why I'm telling you which scripture and if I really wanted to listen Corey stop getting upset give me a scripture I give you a scripture I gave you a scripture you've given me your opinions give me a scripture give me a scripture that says what you said in the chat oh my gosh Corey I gave you a scripture and you don't agree with the interpretation remind them let's put it back on the screen you said remind them of the things of these things and charge them before God not to quarrel about words which does not which does no good but only ruins hear us and so you're saying don't quarrel so we shouldn't say anything about words and I'm saying how could that possibly when he goes on a few chapters later and says to rebuke them for this bad doctrine that's not what they're saying what bad doctrine then define the bad doctrine any bad doctrine that's the point okay according to Corey if it's contrary to Corey's doctrine then they should be rebuked so where's the committee I'm trying to get to so Jesse where's the committee that I go to to find out hey guys is this bad doctrine that we ought to rebuke about what committee do I go to what's your phone number if I can call you and say hey this guy said that is it okay to rebuke him how do I know how the way the way we know is bad doctrine is if I say something to you and you don't respond well then guess what I don't know what to do with that you said you all I can say is give you one scripture and you said and you accused me of not providing one scripture is this scripture tell us then you said and then okay hold on hold on hold on Jesse look every single look are you saying oh my goodness don't oh my let's just let's what I'm saying are you saying this scripture says we should why does it upset you so bad why does it upset you so bad about bro Jesse does this scripture tell us that we should not call out bad doctor because if so we got we have a confusion I mean we have a contradiction no it doesn't no I don't believe that's what it's saying no what I'm talking I asked I asked Jesse give me a scripture that says that we should not call out bad that we shouldn't call people out you gave that now I just asked you does this scripture say that you said no okay Corey you're a smart guy okay you know you know that quarreling and debating and arguing on youtube is not of god okay you can deny it all you want that's why that's why a small channel like mine and a short like that would cause you to even pay attention to what I said because the holy spirit convicted you but you wanted to put it on me they wouldn't try to make me prove and then you try to make me prove so what what is demonic and what is heretical about what I said okay listen listen listen first of all stop blaming the holy spirit for me being for you being here you tagged me it wasn't no you're blaming me do what you're blaming me you're trying to put that on me you're trying to put that on me and you want me to defend why you got convicted because you don't want to be honest about it jessie jessie jessie I told you you know what's wrong I told you you know what's wrong and everybody else knows it's wrong yeah it jessie it's wrong to do jessie jessie the foundation the found that look jessie let me just say this because we're what we'll do we'll go ahead and end this pretty soon but you made a video you are more than welcome to state your opinion more than welcome you tagged me which meant you want me to see it and I stated even if you go back to the video I said normally I wouldn't have said anything about this video but there are several other people with the same mindset that says leave them alone don't whore you to judge let God handle all those different types of way of putting it so rather than I'm saying that's the wrong thing rather than letting wolves have at the sheep let God deal with it or let the sheep thin the wolves off of themselves rather than doing that let's go and let's guys let's warn folks about these wolves now if the wolf is not a wolf then let the wolf say so let the wolf defend themselves let the wolf use scriptures but in the face of obvious and apparent bad doctrine because you know what I haven't do you said I'm sitting debating people no it's not it's not a parent it's not a parent that's what I'm trying to tell you who's the fault of the wolf that I debated I'm not sitting debating them I'm not debating them I'm talking to people who want to hear sound doctrine I haven't debated one of them yet you know why because they don't want to so so that's the argument that ending whole water here I have not debated one of them I've made a one or two video directed towards them and then after that I've moved towards their audience towards the sheep I am warning people and I'm saying oh by the way here's a teaching lesson let's look at what the scripture actually says like the video like you said you're doing a video about three false prophecies I've covered those a couple of times over those particular videos over those yeah I know you think so my point is this though I'm not just saying something I'm not even calling somebody a false prophet or a falsity who disagrees what I am saying is we need to hold ourselves govern ourselves according to the scriptures not to my feelings you said what you think I'm not and guess what you're not a bad person because you you think that we ought to have more peace more harmony I'll say this to you and anyone else if if that's not the fight that you want then fine sit down and let other folks fight that fight if you think it's wrong to go out and deal with these people with this bad these bad doctrine the destructive heresies that lead folks away James says brethren if there's any among you who wonders away from truth meaning not actual believers because he used the word among you so if there's anyone that's among you hearing the possible that's possible hearing the truth if they wander away meaning they're going to something else go back and save that person's soul go back and speak to that person and so if I think if I think what do you think a person a loving person a loving Christian should do if I think you're in danger I might be wrong I won't know until you until you speak to me but if I think you're in danger what would you do Jesse if you thought I was in danger if you thought I was in spiritual danger would you just leave me there let God handle it let somebody it ain't for me Jesse I say if you do that that's not loving that's not good that's not godly it's unbiblical it's wrong it's selfish it's not motivated by love for somebody Paul says that out of the out of a fear for the Lord we warn people the love of God compels us so if you see me go in the wrong direction or doing something that you think is wrong you might be wrong but you might be right and you don't warn me that ain't love that's just abdicating your responsibility because a person's either selfish or illiquid with the words and that's fine if you if you don't feel like doing that it's not for use for anyone if you don't feel like warning people along with giving the scriptures because 85 percent of the time on this channel we give edification and teaching but the time the 50 percent of the time that we do if you don't feel like doing that well then here's my suggestion sit down let the other folks who will do so do so if they're wrong then let someone show them that's why Peter says if anyone asks you have it already sanctified Christ in your heart then give a defense of the hope that you have make a defense that's where the word apologetics come from Apologia give this defense of what of why you do what you do and if you don't then one you shouldn't be up teaching not you but any of the folks that have been called if you're not going to defend and show folks why you believe and you'll only run to friendly platforms who believe the same thing then I'm sorry because we don't see Paul doing that we don't see Peter we don't see certainly don't see Jesus doing that we don't see James who we don't see uh Jude who is only writing is I wanted to call and just talk about the goodness that we got the the unity that we have but I found it necessary to write to you all to tell you to contend for the faith and he tells us why Jesus warns us and you're saying no don't worry about the warning let's just you're doing your that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying can't we all just get a that's not what I'm saying that's not what I'm saying yes it is no it ain't no it ain't what I'm saying is what you're saying is poison I'm not saying that it's convincing that it's poison that's what I'm saying not to you that's why I brought up that Paul was warning when Paul was warning that they should stay away from these people these teachers these people who fell away from the faith he gave obvious reasons why yours are just because you interpret the scripture differently so here's what you all do then here's what you all do then if a person thinks that what I'm saying is not clear it's just my interpretation just my interpretation well then the obvious solution is this refute it or don't listen you only got you only got two choices refute it or don't listen and if you're gonna refute it then you need to give scripture and so that's that's but listen we're not going we're not we're not making the headway but I wanted I wanted other people because without question but this is what I'll say say it hold on you brought me on here man and I haven't I haven't got to say what I want to say and so well what are you waiting on go ahead and say it I'm gonna let you I'm waiting for you I'm waiting for you okay I'm waiting for you to stop talking is what I'm waiting for I've given you the floor but now if you think you're gonna talk more than you understand that that's not gonna happen so go ahead and say what you're gonna say you're gonna say it or are we through say what you're gonna say brother you you said you want to say what you're gonna say okay look listen go ahead and say you want to say that all these people are false heretics but listen because of teachings you probably because you believe the Trinity and all this other stuff but this is what I will say to the whole entire body of Christ all of these debates and all of these things about Jesus Christ who is he has got three has got one is whatever all these things the bible literally says that these people are unspiritual not they don't they're not able to they're feeding on milk they're infants the the basic doctrines of even the Hebrew five he starts talking about the being fed milk and all these other things because people are constantly on milk and talking and debating about baptisms and Christ and all these other things these foundational things so people want to act all arrogant and say oh yeah I have the truth and I interpret scripture this and that but really what they're arguing are foundational baby doctrines and so I think it's super arrogant for people to be like oh yeah unless you believe what I believe and this and that and anybody can pull these scriptures up there's multiple scriptures on this that if you are still debating about baptisms and laying on of hands and all these other things you are a baby Christian now I'm not saying that you shouldn't talk to me I'm not saying that you should talk about my goodness what but no no no no you're not going you're not going to say something incorrect no bro because you're the one that I have I have been cool listening to you say all these things Jesse bro you Jesse you came to my channel I didn't come to yours you tagged me I didn't tag you Jesse if you're going to build off of something false let's at least correct it as you you could still keep talking build one what is false Jesse what is false Jesse he did not say we he didn't say that we're babies for talking about it he says the writer of Hebrews says that we should have left those things let's move on he said let's move on to maturity okay and you what do what for real Jesse he said let's move on to maturity he said we should have left these things by now but he did not say we don't address those things because the bible keeps addressing those things I just said that I didn't say you shouldn't address them no when this is basically the 90% of the all right listen this is this is 90% of it listen then go ahead and finish what does that say about our maturity as a collective body that's what I'm saying go ahead and finish your point we're still arguing about these foundational doctrines and yet people want to act like we have all this knowledge of the scripture the scripture Jesus says you read the scriptures thinking that you have life in them but they testify of me bro there's a place of unity the unity is that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God the revelation from God the Father that's a key point okay the key point is that that is the foundation that we all can agree on we can work all these other things out as we go but you're totally missing the heart of everything that I've said you are looking for a reason to critique all these people because you probably want all their followers you probably want them to follow you okay wait a second we have to move on for we have to move on hold on wait a second oh now you want to keep talking okay well jesse this is oh let me ask you a question the smart christian channel when someone tunes in who do they think they're going to hear Cory okay then so apparently I'm gonna say something jet you just impugned my integrity which is fine I may not have any but you're saying that you said I'm very you said I was taking people to hell with me so justify that jesse no jesse let's back up I'll deal with that because you said in your video but jesse no I said people like that I wasn't referring specifically to you but if you're gonna do that you will be you will be the enabler of people who hear this stuff and when someone says it's wrong you just impugned my integrity which again I may not have any you might be right I want all these folks to follow me do I want these folks to be subscribers sure jesse you make videos folks are here don't you when you make a video don't you want people to hear it sure you do so let's not act like Cory mine or anyone else only that's not my point that's not my point what I'm saying is that I think that you're looking for a reason don't make that that's why don't make that so what's the problem with my what's the problem of video how's my video leading people to hell so here's what we're gonna do here's what we're gonna do jesse because because we're not getting anywhere we're not getting anywhere I didn't I didn't want to turn into to this again bro it's because of you it's because of you you know what I'm you want to keep you want to keep fighting about these different types of all that all I'm saying is point out obvious heretical doctrines and you can't do that you're saying that if somebody is slain in the spirit that's heretical where does the scripture say that so here's what we're gonna do here's what we're gonna do here's what we're gonna do because you said you didn't want to get in these other what listen I've got 10 videos on any one of the topics you want to talk about that's fine jesse every time I cover a topic I go through the scriptures keep watching I cover I go everybody goes to the scriptures again jesse what am I supposed to do jesse stop listen okay let me just say this to you then we'll go ahead and end this what I'm saying is actually do something for the lost like do something is going to expand the kingdom of god not just sitting in a chair talking to people telling pointing out who's a heritage jesse I do not want to hear what you're saying right now I want you to hear what I'm saying I know you don't so now here's what we're gonna do we'll go ahead and end this because you're not listening we'll go ahead and end this because it will we'll end your portion of it so I want to thank you for showing up brother you have missed the point I asked you I asked you to give me one scripture one scripture that tells us go back and watch it over again and it's the problem I asked you to give me one scripture where we should not go out and warn people give me one scripture where it says that warning people is going to cause division in the body give me one scripture or any example in the bible of that you brought up you did 2 Timothy 2 14 and I asked you does that mean that we shouldn't go warn people you said no well then why did you bring up that scripture then jesse you are immature in this which is fine which is fine you think that it's all roses all bunny rabbits all rainbows and so forth that's fine jesse I'm trying to let you know oh and by the way we I do share the gospel when you want to come over here from Arkansas come on over here it's just a short ride we can go out on I've made this offer to anyone and so sharing the gospel I've been doing that longer just as long as you've been alive jesse not not put on age but it's not like I don't do that also part of sharing the gospel means that you've got to warn people you can't share the gospel you can't you can't tell people if I'm a trainer I want to show people how to get healthy I'm also going to tell them what not to eat don't do this don't do this do this and do this and if I see someone over there bench pressing with one arm and their foot in the air then guess what I'm going to say you know what don't do that either he's going to hurt himself and so jesse you missed the whole point you wanted this issue you wanted to have a discussion not me I didn't I didn't know you I didn't even know you had a channel which is no big deal I didn't know it but you tagged me the Holy Spirit didn't bring us together the Holy Spirit did not I was not convicted by the Holy Spirit YouTube informed me that you tagged me oh let me see what he's saying okay every other week there's somebody who's saying lead these people along can't we all just get along let's just not do this and I'm telling you that's the wrong thing to do by the way Jesse by the way Satan hates it when we have these biblical conversations you know why because it makes us go and look at the scriptures that's what it does it makes us go back and check them out people had disagreements in the bible with the apostles over character issues moral failings true enough and they also had this issues doctrinal issues Paul and 2 Timothy Jude James Jesus and so we are going to content and the reason why I brought you on is well one your cohorts might not even want to come on but two I want the world to see that there that anyone that takes your position and I'm not saying that we shouldn't get along we should we should seek and strive for unity we have we absolutely should strive for unity where we can how can two walk unless they agree and if what you're saying if what you're saying what do you say I listen don't don't don't don't defend the monkey j David didn't touch Saul even though he was rejected by God that's because David had this this this belief that he was still anointed when he wasn't after that's because David did that but what a guy quickly do swiftly do kill Saul and how does the bible record Saul doesn't doesn't speak favorably of Saul it does not and the bible is clear about calling out sin the bible is clear about calling out sin you can listen you can you can put your oh no I'll put it up there for you I'll put it up there for you all can go check out Jesse's channel if you want to check them out you can hear what he has to say and so what we can do is when you when you have if you disagree or whatever you put your scriptures up and then we'll just compare them if I say that that I think if I think that is wrong here's the reason why and I get my scriptures that's all I that's all I can do Jesse since there's no committee for us to go to I can say the Holy Spirit told me but everyone else is saying the same thing and so let me also give the scriptures so you told me that you could have matter of fact if we go back and look at the chats I say because you want to come on and defend yourself you asked to come on here fine and I said I won't entertain you unless you can give me a passage to state why we should not uh call folks out or anything like that you gave me that passage and I said I don't think that that passage means anything like what you're saying and then you turn around and agree with me in the in the in this video you agree with what I said but I said because you gave a passage even though it's out of context I'll go ahead and bring you on when you want to come on so it wasn't the Holy Spirit it was you tagging me and then you asking to come on man I don't have a problem with that I'll give you credit though more than let's say the more more more so than all the folks that I've talked to I have not had an issue with bringing someone on who disagrees with me not a problem at all I'd love to have more folks I think this is healthy I think this is healthy I think this has been official and if you would have given me a scripture one path matter of fact you can type it in right now if there's a passage that says that we should not call out heresy but that we shouldn't call out sin we shouldn't call out bad doctrine give me one passage all I've all I've done ever was give passage to say that we should call it out can I put another one up can I put another one up by by our good friend Paul is it 11 to or 11 12 no 11 12 is it 12 is it 12 yeah here's what we're supposed to be doing Jesse Paul says and what I am doing I will continue to do in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their both admission they work on the same terms as we do for such men are false apostles deceitful workmen disguising themselves as apostles of Christ and no wonder for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light so it is no surprise if his servants also disguised themselves as servants of righteousness and their end will correspond to their deed and so are we saying let's let's not let folks know now there's there's there's a child molester uh moving in let's not you got you got four kids that that child molester is going to be licking his lips we're not going to warn anybody we're not going to tell anybody nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope sorry the bridge is washed out so sorry we even do that Jesse I know Arkansas is not necessarily a big state but here in Dallas in Houston in Chicago in LA in Indianapolis in Miami in Atlanta all over the all over the America we warn people about traffic jams don't we you can't ask Google for a place to go Google can also try to divert you away from a potential traffic problem so guess what guess what if I want to be warned about bad traffic I certainly want to be warned about bad doctrine I do I want to be warned about sin about heresy that's all and if you disagree all you have to do is keep loving on the wolf hug him pet him I'm gonna hug him and squeeze him and pet him and name him George just like bug bunny cartoon you do that you do that in the meantime we will teach we'll cover issues of salvation and sanctification we'll cover the issues regarding the Holy Spirit we'll cover the issues of tongues we'll certainly cover the issue of Jesus being God we'll cover Trinity yeah Jesus listen Jesus is God yep there's only one Lord yep it's gonna bother you I know it bothers you but it's what the Bible says there's only one Lord and if you don't confess that Jesus is the Lord Jesse you can't be safe if you don't confess that Jesus is the Lord recognizing he's Lord you can't be safe we'll preach that and to the Hebrew Israelites who think that you have to keep the laws and so for to be safe we'll say we'll say just like Paul says that's a different gospel and that person teaches that even if an angel does so that person is cursed we'll do that and we'll always have the willingness to speak with someone Dr. Michael Brown Rayette got someone that says I'm gonna contact you I'm trying to contact you we'll have this issue on tongues I don't I don't care what did the guy say what did he say I'm gonna say who the person said it but the person said that that Dr. Michael Brown he's a doctor he's debated all these folks the James White and so forth and I care because of what I know the Greek I know Hebrew now do I know it as well as he does nope but is he gonna change the meaning of the words the Hebrew Greek words nope is he gonna make the pages of the words on the pages of my Bible disappear nope and so when someone says that there's an angelic language I'll ask Dr. Michael Brown can you give me one example in the Bible of an angelic language can you give me an example of anyone praying in tongues in the Bible what's he gonna do with his doctor degree nothing keep flipping the pages or pontificate as to why he thinks it's okay fine so I'll go by the pontification rather than the scriptures but anyone who wants to have a conversation I'm open to being wrong a lot of these beliefs that I have now I did I wasn't gonna say anything I'm not going to I didn't always believe I didn't believe in ones they've always said nope I was a tongue talking foot stomping slaying the spirit kind of guy back in the day but I was confronted with the scriptures I was confronted with the scriptures yeah yeah Jonathan I am I'm a cowboy fan now I've always been a cowboy fan I love listen I love a good comedy and I love good you guys are getting your hopes so high but I love it but I think that if we can't reason with the scriptures together and you want to block somebody or hit a copyright strike or just ignore well that makes me wonder what you got to offer then if you're only going to talk to people who are like mind so and again I haven't debated I'm not debating any I haven't debated they don't want to so anyway guys I want to thank you I think the conversation needs to be had I think people now we didn't get anywhere because there was nowhere to go we didn't get anywhere because there was nowhere to go because if you're not going to give me a scripture to say that we should stop doing what we're doing when the scripture does give us an example and tell us to do so the scripture literally tells us to contain and fight for the faith and to expose these heresies and to mark them the scripture tells us to do so the scripture does not tell us to be mindful that unbelievers might not want to come to church because they see us dealing with heresy if you can't give me a scripture or an example then all you did was give an opinion and I'm going to go with the scripture over your opinion I hope you all do the same thing Amen Amen