 Ooh, I'll do it in daily so everybody can see it. Okay. And tell me if you think this is like two inside baseball? Oh, no. Actually, I think this is a really good idea. Yeah, because it's a chance to explain. And we hear this a lot. It's a real question. And then it's a chance to let people know like, hey, we do have this other thing if you don't realize it. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I like it. All right. Putting it in there. And we can skip the iTunes review then. We don't have to do both. Well, you know, whatever. I guess we'll think of the time. So I know everybody missed me a lot yesterday, but well, I was in Chicago for less than 24 hours. Oh my gosh. That's nuts. So I will, well, we only have a couple of minutes. Maybe I'll save this for the post-show. Yeah, we want to hear your Chicago stories. Well, the Chicago part of it was just sort of work and sleep. And, you know, it was over before it began. But both of my flights were interesting. And that's a nice way to put it. Real nice way to put it. Real interesting. All right. Well then, I suppose we ought to do the show. I'm excited for this show. It'll be a good show. All right. A good shoe. Good shoe, Internet. Good day, bio-cow. That's kind of cow. Favorite kind of cow. Biological ones. Robo-cow is okay, but bio-cow. It doesn't take the place of a bio-cow. It's a probiotic cow. A probiotic cow. Versus an antibiotic. Did you hear that Cardi B named her baby culture? What? With a C or a K? With a K. Culture. I like it. And I was like, well, that just reminds me of yogurt, but okay. That's because you're cultured. That's right. All right. Ready? Short. Here we go. Three, two. Do you think the Daily Tech News show is worth a nickel a show? Well, a lot of us do. Go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support and join us. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, July 11th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. From Studio, my wife's out of town till Friday. I'm Scott Johnson. Whoo! What does that mean exactly? I don't. It's just, I forget about all the stuff she does when she leaves. Does it mean that you get to eat the stuff that she doesn't let you eat? Right. I went and bought frozen burritos yesterday. That's where we're at right now. Oh, I mean, you're in good company though. Good man. I actually made carnitas tacos yesterday. I heard. Yeah. That's because you're a proper adult, Tom. You know who else is a proper adult? Our producer, Roger Chang. What did you eat yesterday? I ate, I ate at Foxy's, a restaurant. Oh, I like Foxy's. I've been there with you actually. I had a burrito. All right. But look, Mexican food all around. All right. Enough of Mexican food. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Sonos is adding support for Apple's AirPlay 2 to the Sonos Beam, the Sonos 1, the Playbase, and Second Gen Play 5 speakers. Older speakers will need to be networked to one of these models to use AirPlay 2 as well. AirPlay 2 supports multi-room audio and is more integrated with Siri. Ooh. Well done, Sonos. Google's rolling out an update that gives US users a new, simple interface for changing Google Assistant's voice. Voices are associated with colors, which Google says are chosen at random. TF International Securities Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, remember he moved, he's now there, has more predictions for Apple this autumn. Kuo believes Apple will ship a 12.9 and 11 inch, not a 10.9 inch, but an 11 inch iPad Pro with face ID. No button. They'll also ship chip upgrades for MacBook's iMac and Mac Mini, finally getting on a refresher. And he thinks they're gonna do a new low-price laptop. New Apple Watches would have a larger 1.57 inch and 1.78 inch screen and enhanced heart rate detection. And he thinks they'll finally ship AirPower, as well as those updated AirPods that Bloomberg was talking about. Remember, this is all just Kuo's prediction, although he has a pretty good track record. Obviously, he has predicted Apple would ship three new iPhones, two of them with OLED screens. So kind of like two iPhone 10s and then one with an LCD screen. I mean, wasn't the whole point of Kuo moving to his next post to be less Apple news? I don't know. I heard a lot of people say that. I feel like that was just a red herring. I don't know why. I didn't believe that. I was like, really? If you got the sources. All right. Let's talk a little bit more about magically. Tell us. Well, we took a leap into the magic fray today and watched a little bit of a Twitch stream from the folks at Magic Leap. We learned a few things, but not a whole lot. What we do know for sure, though, leading into this was AT&T announced Wednesday, that's today, that it has reached an exclusive agreement to sell products from augmented reality company, Magic Leap in the U.S. So they are going to be the place you get this stuff. You go to an AT&T store if you would like to get a Magic Leap headset. Magic Leap 1 is scheduled to ship to developers this summer when it becomes available to the public. AT&T will initially sell Magic Leap in stores in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. That's kind of the usual big rollout settings. Keep in mind that a message accompanying the live stream noted, this is what we watched today, that the Magic Leap 1 cannot go on sale until it gets FCC approval, which it doesn't have yet. So that is not a thing they currently have Magic Leap announced on a live stream that it uses NVIDIA's Tegra X2 chip, a system on a chip with two Denver Core processors all running 64-bit Linux OS. So we got a couple more specs. They actually pulled one from under a table and showed it, although they've showed it in public before. We didn't see it actually in operation, though. No, they did show some demo video that was very short, little snippets that showed some of the tech in action. I have to be completely honest. Well, I'm totally cool with kind of a low rent developer-focused conversation on Twitch with us and those who are interested in this product. I have no problem with that kind of presentation. My big problem was what they did show while giving a developer an idea of some of the stuff they can start working with right away this summer was not very impressive. Some of that stuff looked jittery and not great, and that has me just a little bit concerned. And it's not much different than what HoloLens is currently doing, and that kind of bums me out because we're all of the opinion or we've been told to believe that Magic Leap is going to be the big next step in all this stuff, and I'm not sure I saw it today. Not that that's what they came to show us today, but I came away and thinking, that's all right. I mean, I think phones, you know, ARKit on iOS and what is happening with Daydream looks a little better than this, and I know those aren't headsets, but we'll see. It was interesting today. I get the feeling that Magic Leap is a company that's really good at investor demos. And had a product kind of like Oculus did, although Oculus was a Kickstarter, right? Not a VC back company at the beginning, but kind of had some technology that was a little better than what else was out there that investors had seen, and hence all of the hype. But as they have tried to perfect it into a consumer product, everybody else is catching up. And so they're loath to show what they have for fear that people will think, well, that doesn't look that much different like you're saying right now, because one of the reasons that this very secretive company hasn't even submitted their designs to FCC approval, because once they get into the FCC database, everybody can see a lot of details about it, and they're playing it so close to the vest. I have a feeling it's going to be a real product, but it's going to be like the segue. It's just going to be like, oh, okay. Yeah, it does a different thing than the others, but is it that revolutionary? I don't know. One tiny note that I would like to make about that I noticed, and I don't know if this is purely from our observation, but the field of view, which is a thing everybody wants to know with augmented reality and mixed reality, how big is your field of view? The stuff we've seen from Microsoft is very small and narrow. Others have done different things. This seemed like everything they were showing in video was zoomed way in. I can only think that that was just a crop of the field of view. So I'm still a little bit worried about that. They just didn't show a lot here. So for aficionados, gamers, people who want to make stuff for this device, today it wasn't groundbreaking, but it's nice to know that we finally are headed in a direction. So there you go. U.S. federal prosecutors have arrested and charged former Apple employee, and Roger, please correct me if I get this wrong. Xiaoleng Zhang was stealing trade secrets related to Apple's autonomous car technology. Zhang worked for Apple from 2015 until April of this year designing and testing circuit boards. When he left Apple, he said it was to move to China to be close to his mother. Okay, fair enough. But then he took a job with X-Motors, a U.S. subsidiary of China's Xiaoping at Motors. The FBI says that Zhang downloaded data from Apple's network and stored it on his wife's personal laptop. Zhang also admits we're moving two circuit boards and a server from Apple. X-Motor says it has no indication that Zhang communicated any sensitive information to it and have since fired him. Yeah, so this is a big bust for the FBI. They actually steal and trade secrets. Apparently, in his exit interview, they felt like he was hiding something, so they alerted the FBI. The FBI started looking into it and were able to discover this. Now, X-Motors is a U.S. subsidiary and you may say like, well, of course they say they didn't get anything, I bet they did. Because they're a U.S. subsidiary and the FBI is investigating this, it would be extremely risky for them to lie about that. I'm saying, you probably shouldn't jump to the conclusion that they absolutely did. It's not probable. Whether Zhang gave it to someone else, who knows. It's absolutely possible he could have passed it along to someone else or through some other channel. I mean, it's hard to say. Yeah, the only... I have some experience with stuff being stolen. I used to work for a company. We had offices in China. It just happens to be China. You're going to see the sort of thing, but we had a guy who worked for us there who, when things got a little bit weird, he ended up taking a bunch of proprietary information and taking it to the next place. All of it was supposed to be protected and he was under NDA to not share any of that. He did anyway. It's entirely possible that this is a corporate culture thing in China specifically. It was that... We saw that a lot in the manufacturing space like in Southern China where they just don't have the kind of rules we do. So, it's entirely possible that that's the thinking here, but taking a bunch of stuff from Apple seems super dangerous and I would have been freaked out if I did it. Well, Scott, not to ask you too many details about that particular incident, but how did the company decide that, indeed, that did happen? We found... So, we had server records that showed that he'd breached the data. Yeah. We ended up finding out that the other company had designs on their servers that could have come from nowhere but us. I don't remember how it all turned out because I left after that or I was gone pretty quickly after that, so I don't know how it got resolved, but it wasn't a big FBI deal. It was a much smaller sort of case. Nothing on this scale even remotely, but I think there is a lot of stealing from Peter to pay Paul that happens in China manufacturing. Again, it's not a commentary on their culture. I don't know. I just know that we ran into that a lot. People complained about it a lot. Piracy's really bad over there. Hold on. I have to stop you now. You've said twice it's not part of their culture and then once that it is part of their culture and now you say piracy's rampant over there. Granted, some of what you're saying absolutely was true when you were there, but I know from talking to people who've been to China that things have changed there quite a bit and I'm not saying it's perfect, but it has... Rules are in place now. There are definite rules about it for some reason just because Xi Jinping has been cracking down on corruption in general that it's caused that. So I'm not sure that it's as... I'm not sure that it's the same as when you were dealing with it. Oh, I completely agree. I don't think it's pervasive. I keep saying that because I'm trying to limit its scope. It was really just our experience and this reminds me of that. That makes sense. It's probably a lot different. But something as big as Apple, I mean, my gosh, the Hellstones will fall from the sky if you ever do anything like this. Wired reports that the U.S. Department of Justice has settled with Cody Wilson over allegations of violating the International Trade and Arms Regulation. If you remember, Cody Wilson was making plans for a 3D printed gun available online. He took a video of himself shooting a gun that he had 3D printed. In the settlement, the Department of Justice promises to let the Commerce Department regulate the export of firearms below 50 caliber from now on and not police technical data about those weapons. Wilson was making the argument. He's like, I've got a First Amendment right to talk about it. I'm not actually exporting a gun. I'm exporting speech essentially. Wilson also receives a unique license to publish designs and his defense-distributed site defcad.com will launch later this month with new weapon designs to be shared by people. Obviously, depending on what side of certain issues you are, you can see this as a great victory for freedom of speech, for Second Amendment rights, and you can see it as a dangerous precedent that allows anyone to print a gun. The one thing I'll say before we start discussing it is printing a gun is a lot harder to make work than you might think, but certainly easier than building a gun from scratch. Right. I mean, I've got all kinds of thoughts on this. I'll limit it to this. I remember when 3D printers were new and exciting and fresh technology that everybody... They're going to fix your washing machine. Exactly. And I remember thinking at the time this would be cool because we can replace parts or eventually car parts could be printed in your own home and you wouldn't have to go to the store to get any of that stuff and I wouldn't have to go to Home Depot to buy a big slab of this because I can make it right here and then my mind went, oh, and I can make weapons and bombs and things. I think we're just finally getting there to the point where yeah, this is going to start happening. I really have a good answer for it and I hate the politics around this. I'm not going to get into that part of it, but it's a little weird. My son's going to have a 3D printer. I'm not saying he could make a gun that would hold up an airplane or something, but I don't know. Maybe he could. That's a little freaky. Well, yeah, the gun part of it is obviously a hot button topic for everybody again on both sides of it. I think you could say you could 3D print lots of different kinds of weapons. Part of it is you could literally 3D print a sharp knife that would pass through TSA security because it's not metal. Exactly. The fact that you can 3D print anything that was not previously available to be 3D printed in theory I think is great. It's technology. It's evolution. We're going to make things easier for ourselves. We'll put the power back into people's hands who aren't in manufacturing centers, but the gun aspect of it is obviously difficult. But again, like you said, Tom, you could make a gun from scratch real hard, but it's not impossible. Well, and think about bomb designs. The Anarchist Cookbook, for instance, there was a lot of debate over whether the Anarchist Cookbook should be printed, but in the end it was decided that the First Amendment gave you the right to publish on making bombs. It was making bombs that was against the law. And so this pushes that discussion even farther, like, well, what if it's not about making bombs? What if it's printing guns? That seems a little easier. Frankly, it's probably easier to make a bomb than to print a gun, to be honest. I mean, honestly, the gun is kind of tangential to the entire debate. It's more about the flow of information, what's considered to be verboten, stuff that you cannot disseminate. For example, state secrets, right? You could argue it's free speech. I can say, like, these people are all CIA agents and this is where they live, free speech, free speech. But the state does have an overriding national security interest to prevent you from doing that and locking you away if you tried to do that. So it's You can't shout fire in a crowded theater. Yes, there are limits on speech. And so moving further down the line. You can, but it won't end. It's not allowed to. It's against the law. I foresee more legal things coming out from this rather than just this being kind of a settled issue at this point. It's what I like about these things, these issues. It sounds like, you know, I don't want to sound like it's fun or something, but one of the things I like about these issues is these issues tend to make really interesting court cases and fascinating conversation and we're forced to look beyond our current philosophical acceptances and standards and look further than that. And this is one of those. Like, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all turns out. I mean, you know, who knows one day regular people put arms manufacturers completely out of work. It seems crazy to say that, but I don't know. Maybe we're headed there. Yeah, or arms manufacturers take advantage of the fact that you can use 3D printers to make themselves even more efficient and don't get put out of work, but get better at what they do. I mean, all of these are possible. Yeah. Or sell you, Tom, if you were a gun lover, they could sell you a gun printing, you know, a Smith & Wesson gun printer that's designed to print with metals and, you know, all those other kind of parts and not just plastics. I mean, that's probably where all this is headed is just your hand. And that's sort of like, that's another whole topic. It's like, I'm a lover of fine dresses. Will I 3D print my own or learn how to sew? So I could make, you know, it's like, I'd like certain things. It doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to go out and make a bunch of them. Right. And I know we need to move off of this, but then there's the like, well, okay, let's say you do make printing a gun illegal. What about printing a stock? What about printing a, you know, a part of a gun to replace a part? You know, there's a lot of conversation to be had around this. Sounds like a future roundtable. It does, doesn't it? Oh, Scott, it's all you. That is mine now, isn't it? Sorry. Blizzard and Disney have agreed to a multi-year deal to show overwatch league matches on ESPN, ESPN 2, Disney XD and ABC. By the way, that Disney XD deal is going to be big. Kids love the overwatch. That includes live airings and full replays on broadcast as well as highlight packages online. The deals do not affect Blizzard's deal with Twitch. So we'll be able to get stuff there. Wednesday's quarterfinals air at 8 p.m. Eastern on Disney XD and ESPN 3. Finals are set to take place at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn on July 27th and 28th. That's the only real surprise about all of this is where they're holding it, because they own their own arena now. And I don't know why they're not doing it there, but because it drums up some new interest. If you take it, we've been in Burbank all year long. And now the finals are going to be somewhere new, right? It's like the Super Bowl taking place in neither team's home stadium, because that's fun. Do you think this is the watershed moment where we're getting ESPN, at least ESPN 3 in this case, but future ESPN to carry overwatch games? I think it's a huge thing. We can get TNT right now and you can watch Counter Strike on there. And they've got, you know, the other examples of cable networks picking up esports and certainly the ESPN college stuff for the heroes of the dorm stuff they did a couple years ago was a big deal for a bit. But this feels like a big, big, big deal. And I do think it could be a watershed moment, or at least at least that's what they're trying to do. There's a lot of money being thrown around. The numbers will have to add up. At the end of this, the audience will have to be there, or else we may not see a deal like this continue. But for now, this seems like a good solid step forward for Blizzard. Alright, real quickly, a future version of the opera browser for Android is going to include an Ethereum cryptocurrency wallet and built-in integration with Ethereum's Web3 API. That's an attempt to make a decentralized App Platform, DApps, available alongside the regular old Web. These are now available to select testers in private beta. But yeah, opera again, continuing to plow forward with blockchain related improvements. The last one we heard about them was them blocking secret mining from advertisements happening in the browser. Now they're saying, but you could also have an Ethereum wallet, not just Ether, but also anything that uses the Ethereum platform. Is it bad that I've never am I a bad technology person because I've never used opera on any platform ever? Yes, you should try it. You really should. You're not a bad technology person. There are a lot of browser options. I don't use the opera browser. You've tried it, right? Of course, yeah. But it's also our line of work to be like, how's this browser look? Yeah. I just never did. I don't know why. I don't have a problem with it. How's your chance? Get some Ether. Get the opera for Android. Oh yeah, the whole cryptocurrency thing is on the up and up, guys. Yeah. No, it doesn't. Super strong. Not entirely corrupt. Well, it's, yeah. It is. It's not going to save the world. I agree with you. It seemed like it was just three months ago. I know. Funny how that happens. Hey, folks, if you want to get the tech headlines, keep up on all this stuff every day in just about five minutes. Let's say you fall behind on DTNS, skip the old episodes. Fine. Just listen to Daily Tech Headlines. Keeps you up to date at dailytechheadlines.com. All right. TechCrunch has one of its many articles about a start up getting a few million pounds in series A funding, which we usually don't pay a lot of attention to. That's a subset of tech news that some people are very interested in, and that's fine. We don't feel like we really need to cover it all the time, but this company that got the funding caught my eye. I feel like this is really interesting. Not the grease but spelled O-L-I-O is a location based app in the UK for sharing unwanted food with other people in your neighborhood. So think, next door meets free cycle for food, I guess. Love it. Yeah, like the asparagus in my fridge. Might go bad, not going to make it. Not go bad, not going to eat it. If there's someone I can share it with, so I don't just throw it out and waste the whole thing. O-L-I-O is only share things that you would feel comfortable eating. You just aren't going to. Generally, about a third of food production in the world is wasted. About half of the wasted food comes from people at home throwing it away. About a trillion dollars in food is lost every year. So O-L-I-O is really a company saying we want to help make a difference. We want to reduce food waste. So the way it works is you take a picture of the item, you list it on the app, and by the way, they do support non-food so you don't get to charge anybody. People reply and ask to pick up the item. You choose a location to meet and hand it over. You can choose your house or you can choose some public place if you're not comfortable with that. Obviously, they can't really regulate whether you charge somebody in person, so I'm curious about that aspect of it, but the idea is that you're just giving the stuff away for free. Now, how does O-L-I-O make the money? The Food Waste Heroes Program is an O-L-I-O program that works with businesses like retailers, people doing film, TV shoots, corporate canteens, people holding events that have extra food from the caterer maybe, and they don't want to waste it. So they can become a zero food waste effort by paying O-L-I-O who send volunteers trained in food hygiene to collect unwanted items, then list them on O-L-I-O with photos for local collection. Most items they say only last a few hours on the app and volunteers can keep up to 10% of collected food. There's also a potential to have a premium service where active users pay a subscription to get some kind of value add or maybe hyper-local advertising, because this is all very neighborhood oriented. But Sarah, I know you and I were both looking at this like, how can this not go wrong? Yeah, okay. So I, you know, when I was thinking about this earlier, I was like, okay, well, let's liken this to something like, oh, okay, there's four, you know, dress shirts in my closet right now. That's where my closet is. So that's where I'm pointing. I don't want them. And do I give them to Goodwill or the Salvation Army or something where I just like, just take it. Or do I try to make a, you know, a little bit of money off the fact of, you know, doing a little bit of a sharing economy aspect of this. So in that sense, this is kind of cool at the same time. I feel like if there are people trained in what is good food and what is bad food and, you know, what is harmful and, you know, what's, you know, all of that stuff that I don't really know, that's great. But if I'm really just saying, hey, Tom, the asparagus in my fridge is going to go bad. I'm not going to eat it. I know I'm not going to. I don't want to throw it out. Do you want it? I'm not comfortable saying it's still good enough for you to have. Please meet me outside at a location that doesn't make me feel unsafe so that I can give you my asparagus. There's so many like questions that I have about, like I love the idea of this, but it seems really complicated because of spoilage. I mean, forget about asparagus, right? That's one that's going to be pretty obvious when I come to pick it up, whether it's still good or not, right? And Olio makes a lot of statements. I went through their website about, like, really only share the things. Show pictures. Pay attention to the pictures. Like, they are making an effort. What if I think the asparagus is fine? But forget, well, the reason I said forget the asparagus, I mean, I'm talking about meat. Yeah. You know, what about something that is a little more dangerous? I'm talking about anything that, you know, not necessarily something that's going to make you sick, just something that's, like, not good anymore. I feel like that getting sick is a worse risk for Olio than, like, oh, this asparagus was a little more spoiled than I thought, versus, like, I actually got food poisoning because I got some food that didn't quite smell bad, but it was bad. Having food poisoning has made bankrupted restaurants, even if it was in a contained area, just the idea of, like, oh, no, there's spoilage in the food, or people aren't cleaning it, or they keep not keeping it properly. All it takes is a handful of thing, incidences for people to kind of, like, whoa, you know, sounded like a good idea, but in practice, you know, it's not fully baked out kind of thing. My mother worked for the Department of Public Health of Sonoma County in California, and they were the people who would shut down restaurants for little infractions, you know, even stuff that maybe didn't ever make anybody sick, but was really important as far as, like, total public health. So the whole kind of, like, let's take it to the neighborhoods, let's share stuff is, it's problematic. I also still have that little part of me saying, if you're not going to eat the foods, why wouldn't you just donate it to, you know, that's what Olio's saying is, like, we actually will give this to charities with our volunteers. Like, we're trying to help cut down. I love the idea of this. It's just that food waste, or the food spoilage part of it, on the person-to-person side. And I think their main business is, we want to get businesses on board and help really cut down on food waste there, but having this person-to-person side will get usage up. I mean, they have 500 million users already, so obviously there are people who want to do it. You know, and I will say this, if a bulk of the users are doing shelf-stabilized goods, like baking mixes, or, you know, prepackaged goods, I got a bunch of stuff that I'm never going to eat by my wife bought for some bizarre reason. And I would don't want to talk, I mean, when we moved down to LA, there's a lot of stuff I had to toss, and I felt really bad about it, but it was still good. It was like packages of rice. It was packages of pasta. It was soups and can that had another year on their expiry date. So all that stuff was good, and like the can stuff I could donate, but some of the other stuff, it's like, you know, who wants to have a half a pound of, like, you know, all natural fig bars that taste like granola. I do think that the whole, and maybe it's because I've worked in so many startups where it's like, you know, I don't know, a million cans of LaCroix and, you know, cans of, like, weird bean things and top ramen and stuff that isn't going to go bad, but isn't necessarily moving. This actually makes a lot of sense for that. For the personal refrigerator and cupboard, and maybe it's because I don't, you know, make a lot of my own stuff, something that's in a freezer or is, you know, in a can or otherwise not spoiling in the sense of, yes, you know, meat or asparagus. I really like asparagus, by the way, so I'm going to keep using that as an example. But, you know, that actually makes a lot of sense because that is a big part of the bulk that doesn't get used. Yeah. And then maybe it'll self-police. Maybe people will be so skeptical of refrigerated goods that they just won't move well, and so Oleo just sort of naturally forces people to share the package goods. I mean, then again, they just got a lot of money, so somebody will lose them. Yeah. Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit. If you like spoiled meats or don'ts, that's fine. We actually Tell us your position on spoiled meats. Yeah, you know, it's a big topic in our subreddit. You can submit stories. 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Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're also live as you can join us Monday through Friday at 4.30pm Eastern 2030 UTC. Find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live. Back tomorrow with Justin and Robert Young. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this program. Oh, did I? Hang up, John. We missed you too. Well, thank you. Well, Scott didn't, because he wasn't. Well, I didn't know you were gone, but I'm so glad you're home. But if you did know I was gone, you'd have been like, oh, poor them. Yeah. I actually, once I said it's it, I was like, oh, here's a can of worms. Because everyone's always like, what's that? What's in it's it? It's not a can of worms. No. It's much better. It's the best ice cream sandwich you'll ever have. Oh, I've never heard of it. And it's a berry of favorite because... That's why you've never heard of it. Yeah. It's in brewing game, in fact. I think that's true. Yeah. And the juicers, this is... Yes. They sell it in some, like they sell it down here, but I've seen them in New Jersey. You don't see them around too much. In any corner store, you know, some people would call them bodegas. In the Bay Area, they're everywhere. You can get a mint, you can get a cappuccino, you can get a regular vanilla. Sometimes they have seasonal pumpkin. And mint. anybody. That's just the way it goes. There's a chocolate as well, but it is basically a two cookies with an ice cream in the middle, and then the whole thing is dipped in chocolate, and it's put in a plastic bag. And it's the best ice cream sandwich you'll ever have. That's not open for debate, so feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com, like go ahead and debate me, but I'm already made. It's two old cookies. Yeah, come at her. It sounds like she has found her ice cream sandwich. Grow or not, come at me. But even, I mean, my local market that actually has like a really good selection of candy treats, and I'm not really a big dessert person. All of them, first of all, they don't have itsits, and they've never heard of it, and they're like, what? What are you talking about? It's what? How do you spell that? It's it. It's an itsit. It's it. You know, it's weird. If you grow with itsits, they're very normal, but when people don't know them, I'm like, you're missing out on the best ice cream treat you've ever had. Anyway, they sell them at the Vons and at the Ralph's next to my near me. Really? Yeah. I just had some. Did you find the pumpkin pie at Ralph's, by the way? I didn't go. Oh, okay. Never mind. But I thank you for reminding me. Yeah, I saw it yesterday at my Ralph's. Oh, really? They have it. Yep. Oh, you know what? Maybe I'll go. I have to go to Hollywood after this, though. Not all Ralph's. Not all Ralph's. Do you know Diddy Reese? Did I what? Diddy Reese? Anyone? Diddy Reese ice cream sandwiches? No, I don't know. You're missing out. It's an LA ice cream sandwich that rivals itsit. I'm saying it's thousands because that would just cause a fight. Wait, they have green tea? I didn't know they had green tea. I don't green tea. It's that's too much. They don't have green tea. It's right here. Right here. It's on the site. Show me green. You're from Missouri. Look at green tea. It's. Oh, look at that chocolate cappuccino mint. I'm telling you, like the strawberry trash. You know, the mint it's it is the perfect ice cream dessert. Wow. Trash, you say. Strawberry. No, you don't put strawberry ice cream with oatmeal cookie. You don't do it. All right. So what do you think? Taking a magic lead? Sarah gives. Is that the recommended or are you starting to give a. I'm good with that one. I'm giving you three choices. Taking a magic lead. Okay. This is my printer. This is my gun. And there's also Sarah gives Tom her spurious. This is my printer. This is my gun. I just watched a full metal jacket for film sac. So that is that's ringing a bell. Oh, yeah. That's, you know, it's a lightweight film. That movie scared me. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That that that is one of those things like, yeah, I don't think I'll be joining anytime soon. So, so which one are we picking? Um, I don't think we should do the gun one. All right. Taking a magic lead. Sure. That scene. What was there a food related one? Yes. Sarah gives Tom her spurious. But see. Yeah. First of all, you don't want my spurious. It's not good. Not good anymore. Olio equals lawsuit. Was it ever good? Or is it just not good now? No, it was, it was good when I bought it. But then I just kept saying like, yeah, I love a spurious, but not fit for human consumption. No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't give it to my worst enemy at this point. But I will compost it. Well, I appreciate that. Actually, what I think they should do with food, like produce, not, not meat, but produce, if it's like going bad, they should have like a, like a community compost heap where you just toss it in there and it just gets. Well, that doesn't, that doesn't cut down on food waste. That's a lovely thing to do with food that's spoiled. You're right. But that, that's not what Olio is trying to do. Yeah, it doesn't help anybody eat food. It's a nice, perhaps help a community garden, which some communities have. There actually isn't one near me. I don't know if you have one near you, Tom or you, Roger, use God, but do you use one? Yeah, actually bought tomatoes, tomato plants, cherry tomato plants from there one year, and we grew them on our porch and had fresh cherry tomatoes. Oh, and everyone knows that a tomato grown on your own property is the best tomato. It was kind of cool to be able to just go outside to my porch when I was making a salad and get tomatoes. I hadn't really done that since I left in Greenville. Back in the day when Sarah grew up on the farms of Sebastopol, it was like my mom grew corn, tomatoes, asparagus, carrots, I mean, all sorts of stuff. And it was very normal. It was like, that was just what you did. You had a vegetable garden and fruit. And you know, now it's like, oh man, I miss how good all that stuff tasted. Fruit, fresh fruit is great. Like just being able to pick it off. My dad has a bunch of orange and tangerine trees in his backyard. Yeah, that too. Avocado trees, lemons, lemon off a tree, especially a Meyer lemon. I was a little suspicious of my mechanic when he gave me a bag of walnuts from a tree next to his shop. But I, because he like dumped a bunch of antifreeze next to it when he was cleaning out like a bag of walnuts from a mechanic. From a shade tree mechanic. Anything you can take away from this. Not to say that all not all shade tree mechanics, but it's like, you know, not all shade tree mechanics. That's right. How much of that antifreeze went into the walnut? That's a long hashtag. Right. I don't, I don't know where walnut trees are most like, where are walnut trees indigenous? The island of walnut. Right, right. Besides the island of walnut, I mean, are there a lot of walnut trees in art area? I don't think there are in northern California. I don't know about down here. I don't. Yeah, I don't, I don't remember a lot of walnut trees. I remember a lot of acacia trees, which is why I sneezed every day for 16 years of my life. But that's different. No, there was just a lot of them because there used to be huge walnut and almond and pistachio groves in the central valley. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if it was indigenous. It was just, you know, you had trees from people that used to live there. Yeah, indigenous maybe is the wrong word. Just where are the walnut tree farms? What's your, what's your date or Chicago story? You're going to tell us. Oh, okay. So the Chicago, being in Chicago, I was just there for work. It was fine. Great stuff. But oh, by the way, have any of you heard of Halo Top Ice Cream? Yes. I bought some before. One of the interviews that we did yesterday was one of the founders of Halo Top, which is I'm not familiar with it, but apparently it's a really big deal. It's like low sugar, low calorie ice cream, start in LA, big deal. And very interesting story, but that's not my story. The story that I have is, is because I have the worst flights ever. Just I'm the person who is on the weirdest flights, known to man, doesn't matter what seat I pick, it's going to be weird. So on the way to Chicago, I had, I was in a window seat. There was nobody in the middle seat. And then there was a guy on the other side. Before we took off, a kid peed in his seat behind us. And so the flight attendant ripped out the middle seat, which she knew nobody was going to sit in and said, be right back, takes the cushion, because she was giving it to the kid. So the kid didn't have to sit in the PC, puts the PC next to us and says, don't worry, this is temporary, I'll be right back. Never came back. So I had to sit on a flight from LA to Chicago for just under four hours with a urine soaked seat next to me. Perfect. What airline? That was United. Yeah. Now, you know, I was telling my friend the story, and she was like, Oh my gosh, I mean, did you have to wear like a gas mask? I'm like, it didn't even smell like anything. It was just, it was what it was. And in a way, almost better than having a big person sit in that middle seat. But still happened. That was a first. Was this the one with the older lady with you in the same? No, the older lady was on the way back. And that was a whole other thing. She was, she was actually, she was actually really nice. But yeah, I think the moral of the story is if you choose a window seat, choose it with great peril and great caution. I assume that the moral of the story was, never fly united again. Yeah, that's the moral I took from it there. It's just, I don't know. I mean, it's these sorts of things like you have to laugh about them in a way. I mean, I wasn't even mad about the P seats. I wasn't happy about it, but I was like, really? Okay. Well, that's, that's what's going on. And when the flight attendants came through with the beverages and stuff, you didn't be like, Hey, is someone going to take this? Like, No, I didn't. I mean, I asked that knowing so well that I might not have either because I would have just not wanted to deal. But yeah, I didn't need to put anything on the seat. And it didn't smell. I wonder if they keep like a bottle of Febreze just to like defuncify things like that. Like, because I remember not, it wasn't a PC, but someone's eaten like a Caesar salad on a flight. And the Parmesan was especially pungent. That's why it smelled and really anyone. Yeah. 30,000 feet. Take it. Take all of it. Well, yeah, it's what I think. Yeah, it depends on sort of your level of my level of fatigue was, was such that I was like, I just want to get off this plane, right? You know, sometimes you just don't want to make a big stink. And I also do feel for, yeah, I know. Yeah, that wasn't, you know, haha. But I also feel for flight attendants like, because there's so many people who are just like nightmarish travelers and asking weird things of them and, you know, trying to get past the food cart. And that seems like a job where you're only like your largest skill is just being like, breathe through it. Zen. I'm just going to get off this flight. The passengers are being nightmares, you know, people are, you know, so I try not to be like, excuse me, are you going to get rid of this weird pee thing that's next to me? Because it's like, I don't know. Like I'm totally with you, but I feel like get rid of the weird pee thing is above the line of like, I'm really not. Yeah, it sounds like a health, it's a health issue. It probably shouldn't be taken away. I put it in a bag. It probably should have. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but there is a piece of cushion next to me. Just to, like to put into perspective where my priorities are, no Wi-Fi there or back. That's the only thing I want. If I can have Wi-Fi, I will complain about nothing. I won't even, you know, make somebody get up so I can go to the bathroom. If you give me Wi-Fi, I will sit there happily and just be in my own little world. If you don't have Wi-Fi, well, that's torture. And it should be illegal. There ought to be a law. All right. Time to wrap it up, Tom. Oh, yes. Thank you video watchers for joining us today. We appreciate it. I hope you had a good time. Audio listeners, stick around. There's more to come.