 Mayor you are good to go All right, I'd like to call the August 4th 2020 law not see you council study session order You start with roll call Mayor Bagley Sure Councilmember Christensen Councilmember Hidalgo Faring here councilmember Martin Here councilmember Peck here mayor pro tem Rodriguez here councilmember waters here mayor you have a quorum All right, Erin. Have you let us in pledge yet? You have right Marsha has I know Joan has Polly has Tim has All right, I guess Susie if you have I think we're back to me So all right, let's do the pledge. I pledge allegiance America All right, okay Just a quick reminder anyone wishing to provide public comment during public invited to be heard must watch the live stream of the meeting for instructions When the call and information is displayed like this, please call the number displayed end of the meeting ID And then when asked for your participation ID press pound Collars will hear confirmation. They have entered the meeting and be told how many people are already participating in the meeting Collars are then placed on hold and muted until they are called on you'll be called on by the last three digits of your phone number Please remember to meet the live stream when you're called upon to speak Comments are limited to three minutes and I will unfortunately have to cut you off no matter how awesome your comments All right, we have a motion to direct the city manager to add any agenda items to future agendas or any other issues Dr. Waters Yeah, it's not the direction to staff so much as clarifying One a part of our conversation in a motion or in an action in our discussion the study session on Short-term rentals So much of that discussion that evening focused on non residential property owners and what they can and can't do Consistent or inconsistent with the ordinance late in the meeting a council member peck offered a motion that I seconded and voted for and I just want to clarify what My thoughts were in intent. I was concerned the next morning that That motion would would change The current ordinance that allows a Longmont resident Property owner to own another property that they could use as a short-term rental, which the ordinance currently allows And I when I went back and listened to the meeting and the motion I it sounded like that the intent was to take that out or eliminate that from the ordinance Which wasn't my intent And I did check with Don britchett the next day to say to ask down what what he heard And I don't I think Don told me that my impression was that that that wasn't going to come back as a change in the ordinance But this I want to clarify and I don't need I don't want to debate it I just to clarify with council member peck the intent of that motion and and just be clear What I don't want to do is have staff working on something that comes back And I'm going to vote in a way then that might be different than I wanted voted the other night Because of some confusion my confusion about what the intent of that motion was So come from member waters You're correct that it would be I think if I recall correctly them the motion was to make the second residents a maximum no a minute a Maximum of 30 days as a short-term rental was it maximum or minimum? I can't remember exactly what the way that maximum maximum. Yeah That would be a maximum of 30 days that they so so just so I can clarify a Property owner somebody who lived a resident Yeah, living in their home if they have a second home could be an ADU or another home in town the ordinance currently allows for them to use that as a short-term rental and The intent would be to continue to allow that is that Yes, but not have it be a hotel where they're running people in every weekend and well that would be a short-term rental That would be a Matt that would be that a short-term will would be the maximum 30 days, right? Well for me I just want to clarify for the staff as people are working on that Ordinance that's I don't want it personally. I would rather not see that come out I think I voted for a motion that might cause that to come out of the ordinance and I just want to clarify what my Confusion was and what my intent is so hold on time out. So Don, can you pull up the minutes from last meeting and? Read back what we voted for There was that you it was July 14th. Yeah, just one moment. Thank you As she's doing that, there's a second issue That I just want to be clear on I heard councilmember Martin raise a concern about a Very unique circumstance where you've got Residents in a property owned by a Boulder County not a long month But a Boulder County resident in which they place their parents That are living there full-time and want to use rooms in that home as a short-term rental Which doesn't doesn't comply with the ordinance But I want to say that that's a circumstance It seems to me that we ought to figure out how to make an exception for that's in such a unique circumstance, you know I'll be quiet. I don't want to rehash the whole thing. I just I don't think I was clear in my in my thinking or in my in my vote that evening and I just want to I just want to be straight with the record and with other council members Well to add to confusion. I don't remember any of that being in the motion, which is why I'm asking for clarification what we voted on So mayor if I might Councilmember waters, which motion were you trying to clarify? It was a motion late in the meeting A councilmember peck moved and I seconded it and I what I was focused on was non Residential property owners which had been most of the discussion that night And as I went back and listened if what triggered it was the article in the paper the next day that we as it reported I thought cast that's not can that's not reflect what my intent was So that's when I called Don and then I went back and listen to it and now I just didn't want to report the paper reported the way it did So I just want to I just want to clarify. I understand it's too late to do a Reconsideration and those kinds of things I just don't want to I don't want to confuse Yeah, sorry, here's the motion councilmember peck moves seconded by councilmember waters To take away the ability to permit a second term second short-term rental that is not owner occupied and Clarified that a property owner could have a second investment as a long-term rental Yeah, yes, so essentially what we did so what we're gonna have to come back on first and second reading is We are prohibiting anyone from hat from from having a Short-term rental or an Airbnb if that is there a second home or a second residence in Longmont and We're only going to allow them to own a second Residence and rent it out so long is they're renting it out for over 30 days That's how I understood that Which which means that anybody who has a second home so I could live in Longmont and if I have a home I am no a second home. I'm no longer allowed to rent that out except for long term over 30 days What was our vote on that done? Five to two I believe it was five to two with mayor Bagley and councilmember Martin dissenting all right So all right, and then Harold you know when that's coming back Joni on here mayor Bagley members of council, so we are currently reviewing drafts of ordinances From some other communities that have recently changed their regulations to assist us in bringing back something that addresses some of the Enforcement issues we talked about And so I do not have a date certain at this point However, we'd like to try to get that on the agenda in September if possible Great. That's my Martin Thank you mayor Bagley. I just wanted to say for the information of the staff Was that the reason that I voted against this was two reasons? One is it makes someone local with a second property the same as and someone who's not Local with a second property because anybody can have an investment property that they rent out long term and second I Think that all of the problems that our constituents are concerned about our matters of enforcement And not a matter of code so in other words if if both code enforcement and the police understood who was a who was a short-term tenant Then they would be able to gather enough data that persons Landlords who are not Seeing that their tenants are well-behaved could lose their license right now. We don't have enough Enforceability to allow that to happen. So I think we totally focused on the wrong thing and that was why I voted against it That's where peck so again As we start I'm gonna kept councilor peck you then councilor christensen. We're not we just council doctor waters only asked for clarification There's currently no motion no decision to be made just reminding everybody that this is just talk at this point And we have a we have things to get through but council member peck Actually, that's exactly what I was gonna say this discussion Happen on the first reading. Can we get back to our agenda, please? I would agree with you councilor christensen Do you agree? Yeah, let's wait until we Went until it comes up to rehash it again. I I Disagree that we focused on the wrong thing. Anyway, let's get back to whatever. I do have something. I would like to Say go ahead tonight we're talking about RVs and I I want us to just stay on that. However, there are several parts of that Code that I would like to bring back for discussion One of which is that I've lived in a lot of places and I've never lived in a place where you couldn't park For more than 48 hours on the street without risking getting towed without even a warning and I think that needs to be fixed So I would like to bring back That part of the code Also, I've never lived in a place where you could have A Your car towed out of your driveway for having an expires without warning without having For having a an expired sticker, which is a very easy thing to have happened I Just think we need to look at other areas of that code and I would like to have a discussion You know in the next six months. Okay All right, well before I would move that we bring it back for I would direct staff to bring it back in the next six months So we can discuss other aspects of that vehicle Ordinance. I'll second that. All right, it's been moved and seconded. We can vote on that It's been there is a motion has been seconded, but my understanding is Harold if you could just maybe shoot us an email or have Eugene shoot us in the Eugene I don't know if you're on here But if you could just shoot us an email what the current state of the law is because I do believe that Junk vehicles all red. I mean unregistered vehicles or junk vehicles aren't Removed from private property, but only to be removed from city streets and city property If it's happening then they need to get an attorney and point out Harold Do we remove citizens private property in the form of vehicles if it's Unregistered That's Joni to get in but I think it depends on the nature of the code case that we're dealing with I'm probably You get to shoot us again We got to get you the details on that but most of the cars they they tag are actually on public rideways And then the other thing is I also the other question is the 48 hours of What the process is for Giving warning and then removing RVs and other vehicles from the street if they've been there for longer than 48 hours Yeah, Joni was nodding so it is a tag when they're on the public riot boy So if you could just we can we can vote on it though councilor Christensen I Had my son's car towed from in front of our house without any notice because his his Ticket his plate was expired by a month or a month six weeks And that cost a whole lot of money. There was no notice given Simply disappeared in when I called to report that this was a number of years ago when I called to report the stolen vehicle They said oh no, we towed it, but it was a Friday. So I had to pay for the entire weekend. I Don't think we this is the kind of city we need to be so if that's still going on we need to change that and I know people who had their cars towed from their property We're having an expired plate. So Yeah, let us get you the details because now I think they should Jeff's on I think Jeff they should post a sticker, right? Yes, especially a private property, but on public property or a public street. We would tag it and Give the owner a chance to remedy it and then we would pull it Hardly unless it's a junk to completely junk vehicle we We generally give people a opportunity to move the vehicle Especially if it was parked in front of somebody's home and it registered to that home There's righteous Go ahead finish. I thought you just you just skipped out on me Deputy Commander Satter go ahead. Please finish. Oh We would tag and give people notice and if it was parked in front of somebody's home Probably even knock at the door and let them know they need to update their tags or move the car onto the property We we generally don't remove cars from private property Unless it's on under some other circumstance, but it's not for expired plates That's where back Basically, I think that the motion was that we want to see this in the code not to I think Mayor you were correct in asking Eugene to bring back the code and let's see if if that's actually what it states Is that correct? Holly Yeah, because in the in the code there is no mention made of a notice and in fact I got no notice my son got no notice the other people that I know have had their cars towed without From their private property that were not junk cars They were perfectly good But as I said, this was a while ago, but I'm talking about what the ordinance actually says it doesn't say that there will be a notice given It doesn't say any of that it says 48 hours and your car can be towed If you don't have a current plates your car can be towed It needs to be more explicit in the code Look at we'll get that to you. Thank you It is what I'm a vote on that or do you want to just wait till we get the information first? Or councilwoman, I Would like to have it come back Okay, okay, I'm not seeing anybody. I'm gonna take Dr. Waters Thanks, Mayor Bagley. Just I'm just looking at my notes. I thought what I thought tonight Was it was the follow-up to? Motion that I made on August 6th of 2019 To to bring back the RV ordinance And in that discussion Rotten Mayor Bagley you indicated that you would work with The city manager to get this on an agenda. I thought this I thought what tonight was that It is So we did but so all aspects of the ordinance Or I could dig into so I guess I'm just I think tonight's the night that councilmember christianson that They dig into these things councilmember christianson The reason I brought this up is I don't want to discuss this tonight It's really we have a lot to discuss With the RV ordinance and I I don't think this this has nothing to do with the RV ordinance Although it is part of the same ordinance, but it's complicated And what we need to talk about is RVs tonight as we all know that's enough of a mess All right, I guess the seeing nobody else I guess I'm going to vote against it only because My understanding is that the law already does what I think that you're trying to do You cannot have a 40 unless they tag it they can't prove the 48 hours at which point they don't have a legal case So it's already happening just naturally um and And if you've got the definition of junk vehicle isn't your vehicle doesn't work means that's not registered and so um and so I think by public policy we should Continue to require people to register their vehicles. So anyway, um, let's go ahead and vote Um, I still it sounds like herald even if this fails. I would like it I I think that we all want to see it in email. Just what the current status is I'm wrong. Let's bring it back All right, all in favor of the motion say aye so, all right, I Proposed say nay, nay Hey All right, raise your hand if you let's I I heard no a lot of them raise your hand if you're voting for the ordinance or the motion Okay, the motion passes four to three Please bring it back for the next six months herald and if you can shoot us an email to save us time that'd be awesome I'll work with Eugene on that. Yeah, thank you. All right. Let's go ahead and uh Say nothing else. Let's go ahead and move on to special reports and present a actually let's don't Let's go to public invited to be heard Let's take a three minute break because we allow people to get in the queue and then we'll cut it off All right back in three All right, let's go ahead and get back to public invited to be heard. How many do you have in the queue done? Sorry, mayor. Just the moment. Uh, we have six people at the moment Perfect Are you ready to hear those speakers mayor? We are Okay, and you got the timer ready. I do very good Collars we're going to unmute you by after we uh call your the last three numbers of your phone. So caller 348 I'm going to unmute you Can you hear us now? I can Could you please state your name for the record and address and you are ready to begin So my name is Patrick McQuinn talk my mailing address is 1100 e 17th avenue c105 The reason I say mailing address is because I live in an RV Um, I'm calling to represent as someone who doesn't fit the stereotypical Walter white breaking bad Uh, residents of an RV Um, I decided calling especially because of the article from the longmont leader Um, I'd like to specify that I am a long time tax paying resident of longmont I've been living here since I've been for since I was four And I'm not a vagrant I decided to live in an RV A little over a year to a year ago to allow me to strive towards career goals as well as to get out of being devoured by debt Um prior to coven I actually had a flipping business that was gaining momentum And then when coven occurred that kind of put a damper on that But now I'm on the path for another career because obviously I do not want to live in an RV forever Um, I'm not a trashy person My RV is old, but it's in good shape and the tags are legal and up to date And on top of that I have a good relationship with my neighbors Um, I have permission from the resident. I'm in front of to park in front of their house I even helped them with house projects and uh, I've actually become really good friends with them Um, I dog sit on a regular basis for another one of the neighbors. I'm nearby Um, I just want to point out. I don't leave trash around Uh, I go to properly dump waste at boulder county fairgrounds And when boulder county fairgrounds was closed during the first part of covid I even went to st. Brain state park to dump Um, so if the city decides on to ban RVs, I literally don't know what I'm going to do And that's not only about where I'm going to live, but also what to do with my personal belongings Even though I do have a career started, it will be a little while till I get a consistent income So at this point I'll have no choice but to pitch a tent at Roosevelt park, which I really don't want to do Uh, with that said, I asked the city council to consider And even show mercy to those of us who aren't causing the problems with the RVs And when the city does decide on what to do I ask that you please don't punish me for the actions of a few And thank you for your consideration All right. Thank you very much next Caller with a phone number ending in 410. I'm going to unmute you. Please state your name and address for the record Can you hear us? Hello, my Go ahead. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes, we can go ahead My name is ed towers and I live at 1534 south coppins street I'm calling this evening to voice my concern and frustration over the decision to make south coppins street a collector street From being a local residential street Without allowing the residents of our street south coppins any public comment My concern with this project is that the city has misrepresented their intentions from the start The city wants to make south coppins street between pipe and Quebec a true street But this street goes through a residential development With all of our driveways facing street Over the last we've been in this house for 20 years and over the last couple decades Since the development of prospect rainbow ridge creep side We've seen increased road traffic from pike to Quebec on south coppins And that's because it allows drivers to bypass traffic lights on main street And also offers a quick access to park parkway There's civil problems with having the through traffic It not only increases the volume of traffic coming through But the typical speeds are well above the post of 25 miles an hour This endangers pedestrians bicyclists children playing and people either pulling into or out of their property So I would I would like the city council to state why it is acceptable Just to have a non South more park traffic cutting through our residential development Essentially using our street as an arterial street and that's my comment. Thank you Thank you, sir. All right next All right caller with phone number ending in 618. I'm going to unmute you. Please state your name and address for the record Let's go ahead and read it again dawn Well that caller Seems to have hung up and disappeared. I will try another one caller Phone number ending in 932. I'm going to unmute you. Please state your name and address for the record Go ahead. Can you hear us? Yes, can you hear me? Yes, we can Okay, this is terra tower that 1534 south cosmon street I was wondering if the city council was aware of all the exceptions and judgments The department of public works had to make in order to place the traffic signal at the intersection of south cosmon street and pike road The traffic signal goes against city standard ordinances and the envision long line as well as new tcd and fhw a guideline Making the decision to place it at this location based on engineering judgment and department of public works modification or exception When we received the letter stay in the scope of pike road improvement project I had no disagreement with the fact that we needed crosswalks or turn lanes at that intersection Therefore, I did not take the time off from work to attend either the five o'clock wednesday meetings in february of 2019 While talking with the traffic engineers in june It was brought to my attention that a traffic signal was being installed And during my research to find out why it was being installed at this location The answer I received from the city traffic department is because of public comment and that the warrant is met There has been at least 25 years of public comment regarding pike road requesting that safety and environmental concerns Of the existing residents are taken into account while developing this area of long line According to the federal highway administration, which has incorporated the metcd as their standard Just because a warrant is met does not necessitate a light being installed Engineering judgment must be exercised to take into consideration the adjacent use land uses This light is being placed on a local residential street Which is defined by the city's traffic mitigation program manual as Intended to provide access to property these streets are not intended for through traffic movements and quote the envision was not planned to find the functional priority of a local residential street as Access only and limited mobility There is not another local residential street in the city that has a traffic signal installed on it The city has repeatedly told the residents on our street that the functional classification will not be changed With the installation of this traffic signal However, last week we noticed that our street is on the collector street prioritization list that the traffic mitigation website has posted The stretch of south constant street between pike road and cobalt has already been started The process of working with the city's Traffic mitigation engineers to address the fact that the through traffic has gotten out of control This light will be legitimizing our street as a thoroughfare giving all this town traffic The it's stuck at that light the idea to cut through our neighborhood to reach their destination Engineering and they enduring our children as they are going to school and the many residents and bicyclists that utilize our street After city council meetings last may councilmen or met with residents along pike road to further discuss the improvement project I never received an invitation to any meeting to discuss this other than the one for the public meetings held in february of 2019 The voices of the many residents on the north side of pike road have not been heard on this decision And those that have voiced their concerns have been brushed aside Our 81 year old neighbor that lives on the northwest corner of this intersection has attended nearly all city council meetings Regarding pike road during her 47 years of residence in the neighborhood Her yard has been torn up. The road is encroaching on the very small east that she has between The roads and her yard and she has just beaten down because the city has never taken her concerns into consideration This whole process has more than disrupted the convenience of our lives This is endangering the neighborhood safety and reducing our property values, and it's not okay Thank you All right next Caller with phone number ending in 119. I will unmute you now. Please state your name and address for the record Can you hear us? Yes, I can. Okay, go ahead. This is Karen. This is Karen Dyke. I'm at 708 Hayden court Mr. Mayor and council members I want to begin by thanking this council for contracting with dr. Helmick to conduct air monitoring at union reservoir and at longmont airport Adding this data to the research conducted on conducted on air pollution from fracking is very important I follow this data closely However, dr. Dettler Helmick's presentation on the benzene spike and the direction from which this benzene must have originated Is somewhat stunning as an rn. I'm extremely concerned about the health effects from this benzene pollution that occurred Based on this presentation. I'm asking that this council take several steps The first is to renew dr. Helmick's contract this month When we have this type of alarming health data, we must continue to have this information I realize that koga would like to shut down dr. Helmick's monitoring But please don't fall into the negative information they spread Second benzene levels seen we're at dangerous levels. Please set up a real-time warning system So that people in the path of this pollution know to close windows and keep children inside And lastly it is time to connect with neighboring cities and counties to pressure co gcc aqcc Weld county and our governor to stop this pollution SB 181 needs to be enacted now Taking years to write regulations before protecting residents is not okay All permitting must be stopped until this law is fully implemented Please see if you can add your voice to the co gcc website Drilling will soon begin on the large night well This well is on the north side of union reservoir to those who live on the east side of longmont I urge you to begin following the data found at bold air. Let's b o u l d air Make sure the air is clean enough for your children to breathe before they go out to play Especially if they have asthma. Thank you very much Thank you miss dyke All right last but not least we have one more one more Collar with phone number ending in 811. I will unmute you. Please state your name and address for the record Hi, my name is deb mclintock. I live at 1100 east 17th avenue Good evening mayor bagley and council members while looking for the meeting tonight I found the vision for longmont in the next 20 years written on may 18th 2018 People in 20 years longmont will be the world's greatest village where children are the most fortunate to be born and raised Elders are supported through their entire life's journey for people will have access to food and shelter And everyone has the opportunity to thrive and feel they belong Tim water stated One of his goals for longmont is to become the most compassionate community in colorado These are all admirable visions and goals the city wants to be on our recreation vehicles from public streets. Where can these people go? Are the rv dwellers going to feel an opportunity to thrive and feel like they belong? My first thought was we are in the middle of a pandemic a health crisis We have been in lockdown closing up businesses stores restaurants, etc People have lost their jobs mental issues are at their all time high suicides abuse violence and On and on all time They're the all-time recruits Food banks are having trouble keeping up. So I asked was it a good time to be on vr v Is this showing compassion? People are living in what they can afford. Do we want to cause more homeless people? general generalizations are made in the report Number one people don't have a proper way to dispose of human waste I'm true both accounting programs has a dump station. It was closed in March for now open since June People leaving trash may be a few but not most You can see the same thing in residential housing too trash weeds high grass, etc Number three, can you safely assume that all RV dwellers don't want to improve their lives? All I saw in the long-run leader article was negative generalized statements for those solutions Long run is better than this. I ask the city council to consider the season we are in a pandemic health crisis with economic consequences maybe a tabling of a decision for more time to work on a solution that would be Available to help these people Don't let a few bad apples ruin it for the rest Let's find solutions to allow for these RVs to stay RVs to stay on the streets Most of which are parked in industrial or out-of-the-way places Some are parked where people allow them to stay. I asked that we show compassion Continue to work on providing affordable housing if probably christensen has Promoted see if we can find a solution for all the homeless and RV dwellers instead of a complete band. Thank you so much All right. Good timing. Thank you very much for your comments. All right, that concludes today's public Invited to be heard. Let's go on to special reports and presentations Harold an update on COVID-19. Do you have one for us? Yep, I'm gonna go Share my screen and go pretty quick. I also have david bell here to really do the bulk of the presentation in terms of a continued update and what we're seeing at some of our parks related to COVID-19 or what we're seeing now um Can you all see my screen? You see charts Yes, Harold So, um, this is the same chart that I've been showing you before in terms of the counts um that we've seen in In colorado and you can again see the shape of the curve Um, a bit of a peak here. We're not sure exactly what that is but generally Over the last week or so. It's been trending in the right direction, but for that day um I don't know why it does this I've been trying it out um Again, you're seeing the the chart on this one on the number of deaths um, it has you know Been a lot lower than we've seen early on in this you can see some spikes But you're also seeing some days where there's there hasn't been a death reported Uh, the big number here is really looking at this chart with the positivity data. So you can see that um, it was at 3.53 percent on august 2nd um august 3rd 4.34 percent, so Uh, the state number is still down below 5 percent, which is is really good You know, they wanted to see that continuing trend moving downward The boulder county data, um, I can tell you that we're we're seeing Uh Again, you can see the same trend We've had some spikes Within the caseload and what we're seeing as a as a community um Again, looking at this Overall percent positive test for pcr 5 percent current five-day average 3.2 percent. I've actually had some questions that say Um, what are you focusing on the current five-day? Average percent and positivity rate is because that's what really tells us what's happening now with the cases versus the the five percent is is really um bringing in The positivity rate that you see on this chart and so what we're really looking at is what's happening today based on that positivity rate and what those cases are trending to do so At least in boulder county, you can see that we've we've really been below that four percent range for some time And so that that's really good For us and seeing what's going on in our community um, again when you see the growth in cases It is you know, I keep harping on this but what we're really seeing is in this 20 to 29 year Group in terms of where the majority of the cases we're seeing are coming in And that's important because when you see the five-day average of new cases You can see where we hit this peak. We were trending down and now we're just Pengponging in terms of those cases. We look like we're doing pretty good and then we started moving up again um When you look at what's happening in the community, we haven't had some growth I think the last time I talked to council We were at um around 630 cases 638 cases in long lot. We've moved up to 666 747 in boulder And then so we we have had some growth in cases in the last week in our community Again, just sort of seeing what we're tracking And in terms of race ethnicity In those issues This number here was actually Down to 36.2. So We're seeing some, you know fluctuations upward recently In in our latinx community and so we're trying to Understand what that looks like But that's really what's happening with the cases in our community. Obviously We we see a lot on the news in terms of what's happening The good news for us is we're not seeing the same impact within our um Long-term care facilities and and people go Obviously, it's good news for any number of reasons, but it's really also the strain that it places on the medical system We're not seeing that as much as we saw early on in the event, but um, it is um You can see that it is in different areas of the community In terms of our hospital status, um Everything seems to still be in the same range that we were in When you look at med surge beds it has moved a little bit into the red, but again, you have to keep in mind That that is based on elected procedures still being done And When you see in the ICU beds, it's really kind of Remained in this area when we get the updates and we're not seeing As many cases of COVID in the hospitals being reported Um As we were early on so that's also a good bit of information, but we're still seeing case growth In our our community And again, I think it's just really important to to focus on Social distancing wearing the mask And then just good hygiene practices in general there's been some recent studies have come out that really said If we can just do those things it'll help us Really get a hold of the numbers. We're still watching everything pretty close Just so you know We got an email from uh in our phone notification from the school district today. I don't know if you've all heard this Um, I think it's going to be online classes until i'm going to look at council member The dog will fairing to make sure but it's going to be online classes until the end of september And they're going to keep monitoring as they're moving forward um What that really says for us is You know, we're really having to look at our plans and how we manage Our operations because we haven't we know we have a number of staff members who have kids And how is that going to impact it and ensuring that they can be online and learning Many of the conversations that that's that came up that I heard earlier about child care that is a major Or that is a focus for us as we're looking at What the world's going to be For us moving forward and child care is a big component of that We uh conducted a Survey where we sent that out to our early childhood care providers to see Who's still continuing to provide child care? Who's not providing? What are the limitations? What are your struggles financially? Uh because we're trying to get a sense of what that world really looks like Because as we look at our cares funding that's an opportunity to help Stabilize that world a little bit and And it's all encompassing when we talk about the child care piece to this because it's not only about child care for teachers But it's also those parents that have to work And how do we assure that there's enough spots and we're definitely seeing issues um anecdotally And hopefully the survey will clarify some of this the The friends and family network has been something that we've been concerned about because most of that's in people's homes And they don't want to do that because of obvious reasons So there's a lot of issues We're trying to wrap our hands around at the moment And as we look at the cares funding that we received hopefully within a week or so we'll be able to Have a sense of what that's going to look like and and how we're going to At least make recommendations to council in terms of applying that to our community and our operations Um, so that's a that's a piece. It's going to be coming to you all hopefully in the very near future Um, I mentioned cares funding what we're also looking at is in terms of some of the expenses that we've absorbed as an organization That were not planned PPE purchases Equipment purchases to sanitize vehicles. I mean we had a lot of things that we had to bring in so um We have we are really fortunate in our organization have two outstanding individuals that do this work Peter Gibbons and I'll let's forget Charlie's name, but I call him FEMA Charlie um to work us through all of the FEMA processes and um And and all of these funding mechanisms that are coming to play in addition to Kathy and her team and the cdbg cv funding To really look at how do we apply it? How are we covering gaps? How are we working through some of the issues that that we're seeing as a community? um, and I will say the the thing that I said on a number of occasions as child care is It has the potential to have an economic development impact on our community um, and so those are the things that um, you know, we're going to be looking at hopefully have Something to you in the near future on that piece and what that's going to look like to our organization at the same time Um, we're preparing the budget based on this and again, I will remind you we're looking at this on a month to month basis um, because of How fast things changes and the impact of certain decisions? um, so we're Continuing to dig into that so we can have that ready by the time that Our charter requires it. Well, we will have it to you on september 1st, but it's um You know just taking a lot of time from Jim and his staff And trying to reconcile that versus what the world of kovat's going to look like and how it's going to impact our operations Next year and that's the big piece. It's you know, they're we're having to um Make really educated guesses in terms of what do we think next year's going to look like is we're putting this budget together That's my update. If you all have any questions, I can answer those customer pick Thank you, mayor badly. Uh herald just as a point of clarification. You may have already said this and I've forgotten when you do the five day, uh What did you call it just five day look at the cases? Um, and you come up with a percentage For example, it was about three percent. Is that based on on our population? It's based on the number of tests and so we don't do that the health department does it So they take the number of tests that are performed And then how many of those tests are positive and that gets you to that percentage And and what that does is it really starts giving you a sense of of how fast it's moving in within communities within counties and within states and so What you're hearing in some of the other cases and this is why I say we have to really watch the y-axis um If you watch certain National news, you'll see colorado where it says significant increase. Well, that's a percentage point And but we have much lower cases. So we may not see the case growth that some of the other states are having in that so this is a Percentage of that and that's what we watch which then goes into how they calculate the are not which is how infectious it is in addition to How well people are wearing masks and following all of the orders You develop their other models. Yeah, I'm sorry. I broke in there. Um, just out of curiosity I how many people were actually tested within that time frame in long lawn So that we can see how many negative cases Negative tests came out of that I'd be curious to see See what that looked like. I mean three percent of how many cases Were tested which would tell us how many were actually negative um So we can try we can try to get that information. Let me share the screen with you right now Okay, because I don't know what's three percent of what? so in this case So in this case they had about Let's say 450 tests performed Um, so then you had about 460 then you have 500 Uh, and then you can see you can see that then they dropped and then they went up to 520 on this date. So um, generally It's in that range of out of 500 tests So that's out of 500 tests That's the 3% And I'm just taking a percentage that was uh positive So they so right here on this chart. They've they've conducted 30,967 tests In what time? This is over the course of the entire Okay event Um, overall it's 5% Um, but the current five-day average is 3.2% Okay, so that's when then you look at the last five days to figure out how many tests they've done and if you remember what Jeff Zajac said when he presented and we're going to try to get him back again Um, what they really wanted to do is that study said having the ability to do 500 tests when Right when you can get there and they've obviously exceeded that on certain days Okay, thank you for Re restating that no problem All right councilmember redondo firing Um, so you and I have had conversations and I also spoke with Jeff Zajac about this but that period where we had that 17 percent positivity rate So in our conversations so we think about early in the pandemic It was um, you know, really you were kind of on death Death's doorstep before you could even access a test Correct. They were turning a lot of people away Um, so that rate then impact impacted the overall So I know I've had conversations with several educators because I think I don't was it two weeks ago that it was even up to 5.7% Maybe for the state Well the state okay, I don't I don't think it's boulder county. We've been there, but the state Um, let me pull that up So, um, yeah on july 22nd 2020 the state positivity rate was at 5.84 percent 5.84 percent. Okay, so that's what I was thinking but it was looking at the whole um Duration of the pandemic. So that's why the 5 percent overall rate is a little higher than that 3.2 percent 2 percent correct And um, okay. Yeah, and thanks for clarifying that the other question I had was around Licensing for daycare. Is there any work about maybe expediting that process for people who want to? I know I've heard um community members and parents talking about wanting to create these pods Where they would still have so they'd have multiple children in their home But still utilizing the district's um Correct, you know curriculum. So we would still have be teaching But the fact that they would be having multiple families in their homes I that kind of for me that raised a red flag as far as licentures Yeah, I you know, I don't I don't know the answer to that but um, I know we can get with jeff and and caron and christina to try to get The answer to that because one of the things we've asked jeff reasoner to do if you remember early on We were we were spinning up some child care opportunities within our organization Because of what we were seeing and the need for child care for health care professionals and what we needed And so I've asked them to look at the same thing As we get into the fall in case there are gaps or shortages But you know, we've done some things now where they're we're helping facilitate pp Ppe through our system because of the bulk purchasing Um, that we have at play in play to to hopefully reduce some of those expenses So we're doing a number of things and and hopefully when we can bring that cares funding piece You'll see it all be where we're tying it together Okay, great. Thanks a lot All right. See nobody else Harold you have anything else? I've got david bell for a quick presentation Good evening mayor or council members david bell director of parks and natural resources This is a follow-up conversation and I only got last up in the agenda night So I'll try to keep it brief But we'll definitely make myself available for Questions here or even afterwards always can reach out to me But on the 14th we hit some highlights of what we were seeing in the parks And I had a chance to hear from council members in the public to go some other items they wanted to discuss So I want to make sure that what I heard from council I'm here from the public is aligning with what You're hearing out there as well And this is also a chance for you to hear what we're doing in response To some of the things we're seeing in the parks because of that increase use and again I just want to remind everyone that this is an increase use not only in longmont Not only in bolta county, but nationwide is people are really trying to take the opportunity to get out of the house that People it may have been Uncoverable into restaurants or theaters or our movies or really take advantage of being outside and enjoying these outdoor opportunities So we definitely are seeing An increase in use which again, I think has some very positive aspects But also has some impacts on our community and the resources. So I I'm not sure who's going to run this power point or how I do that harold I was I sent it to susan Sorry, david just one second. You're fine. Thank you. All right. I'm advanced Let me go back My apologies david start start talking I I have my other Thought was can I share my screen? Hey don, let me give it a try. Okay Ready when you are All right Again, this is that follow-up and really what we as long as other Natural resource agencies are are seeing around the front range in the country as we're trying to manage Our parks natural areas during this pandemic next slide So I think you've all seen kind of what that impact is. It's hot kids. We're in school How do we get out and do things? So from dickens park to left hand creek to macintosh and The bridge down at dickens as well Button rock is included in that as areas that were really impacted pretty significantly And we had to respond pretty quickly on how we Wanted to engage in making sure people are acting in a safe way following our rules and regulations as well as Trying to keep them safe following the governor's guidelines next slide So what we were really seeing out there that were probably our biggest concerns and again This is a place. I'm hoping of council see things out here that they are not are seen are not seeing things I hear that they want us to make sure that we hear about please let me know but Swimming especially out at macintosh. We're seeing single chamber inflatable inner tubes that don't really have safety features on them We're seeing increased number of watercraft at macintosh Launching from undesignated launch areas which causes impacts dogs off leash littering Alcohol and glass as you start bringing these large groups of people together Next slide And with those violations those rules and regs We definitely know that those rules are there for purpose and allow that as safety At macintosh, we really have no lifeguards on duty. We don't have water rescue We don't have any way to water Are monitor the quality of the water so we don't know what E. Coli is for Instants where we do that at union reservoir. We have impacts to habitat We have shoreline degradation trash is getting very full and Neighborhoods are being impacted. We're seeing parking that has you know become something that people around use their neighborhoods And we also have the ongoing concern about people not wearing masks in our parks and large groups gathering and that next line And just the way this is on my screen now. I apologize. I can't see any of the council members So I'm hoping if you have questions or if you see things that are out of line with what you're hearing Just please let me know and I hope I'll hear your voice get it at the end. David. Okay, very good So in the in a typical time what we'd be doing is saying we have tools in our toolbox that Can help us get through this and we've kind of put this together It kind of spokes on a wheel how these things work together to help us Keep our park system rolling along smoothly. So we have signs. We have rules and regs. We have educations We have presence. We have enforcement um, but all those things take resources that were based on our Previous usage in our park. So now what do we do to make sure that tool component of the spokes are working well? So next slide We have really tapped into our park rangers. We have Three of them out at union reservoir full-time and as you can imagine union has become very busy They have done a great job out there Of limiting the number of visitors open the swim beach now to 75 people open the dog beach all those Activities require rangers to be there to make sure they're doing that plus getting out and then trying to be out at Dickens park and macintosh. So we're we're we're taxing that group, but we are using them as part of the the tools Transportation has been out looking at the streets. They've been looking at parking They've been working with us on getting speed signs up to make sure we're addressing that our solid waste group has put Dumpsters out at dickens so that we can address that increase in trash parks maintenance has been just doing a great job is they Try to keep the parks clean, but also deal with our irrigation and turf and in social trails We have parks staff that's coming on the weekends now Just to do trash because we used to kind of hold over until monday to clean it up And it was taking a full day just to deal with that trash. So we're we're dealing with trash with the additional Existing staff is getting overtime our parks development crew is making temporary signs and heading out in the weekends Using their household child labor on bike tours to make sure we're putting our signs up Our communications team is working with to make sure we're making changes that are swim beach from being closed to open to 50 to 75 So letting people know jumping off bridges not safe They've really stepped up to help us out and then dan wilford in the land management group They've done great job of being up a button rock to help with that staffing Being out monitoring our wildlife areas to help me know when we need to do things like install The the buoys out at macintosh next slide But we couldn't do it ourselves and that's just a piece that we've had to really reach out and ask for help And again as your hair's held herald's already talked budget It's a time that some of these things we'd be going back and going to herald and council say we need some additional funds to deal with this additional use but We've had code enforcement cell there. They call me ask you what the chains are as far as are we allowing people in skate parks? Are we not allowing people In the parks if there's RVs in the park So code enforcement stepped up dispatch is trying to answer a lot of these ongoing questions So they don't come back to staff that has to do with them try to give public public good information public safety and jeff's group have just done an exceptional job of giving us additional resources where we could do additional patrols at Dickens at macintosh at union and then assigning officers up to button rock as well Um, and I just can't tell you what a great partnership that's been I think it's worked out well for the rangers who know they're short public. It's one of those things. I think that um They're getting a chance to get out and engage with people and I think they're really being appreciate out there as people are trying to Do the right thing and having someone to turn to ask for how they Um are supposed to be social distancing how they can park how they do things right and people are really looking to try to Do things right having those officers there. I think has made a difference social media again from Harold's group and marica. They've done a great job helping us jeff freesner and the recreation group has provided people on weekends to go to macintosh talk about social distancing talk about Not swimming in the lake and some of the challenges that people might face if they are in that water That's not tested it goes beyond just the city support and that's why I went to agency support lions as I'm called today and no one can find The variable message boards are launching kind of program in what your your message is before you get there Lions has given us the ability to use their signs so as people come into lions they get a message that button rock parking lot May be full so people get that message before they get up there and have to make a decision boulder sound county Has given us very quickly The ability to post county road 80 with no parking signs to help the neighbors up there And then provided the signage for that too. So this really has taken a large group beyond what pdevin our staff has already Been putting out there next slide The other piece is the community support and it's something that some of the council members have brought up at the last meeting And why can't we use volunteers and I share some of my concerns right now? People are willing to ask for help, but I think when you start telling people what they can't do right now We were definitely getting pushback But after that meeting I had members our community calling saying you know what you guys are doing a great job We understand this is challenging. What can we do to help? So knowing we have people there knowing what our challenges are We've been starting to put together a training program to do some Work in our parks boulder county has done a program called park ambassadors We're also looking at using them just to collect data so that council has a better idea How many people are seeing how big groups are what's parking's like? So they can balance what we're getting from staff from the community from neighbors with what we're seeing from some data That we're collecting How quickly get that and how statistically valid would be over the next couple weeks or months? We'll take a little Looking at but again, you do utilizing People to help us gather that information They're also great using social media to help push the city's causes through their their social media networks neighbors If it's the neighbor calling and seeing something the neighbor is having a problem Those those extra eyes and ears for us and we always take those very seriously and try to respond and try to make sure that Information is being captured as well. So our neighbors are great as well as our park users One things we can do I think for me the biggest concerns are always the safety concerns and If it's kids jumping up bridges or people swimming Macintosh It's the park users that are really getting on the phones and let us know that those things are happening. So The community has been a big part of this as well Next slide So I think with with staff being out there and this is Macintosh. This is a Saturday If you'd ask I believe Jeff's group who's going out the recreation is going there My staff is going out there and you say, what are you seeing? I would definitely say we are seeing busy parts next slide People are getting out they're taking advantage of our outdoors amenities we built And this is the piece that goes back to the the cobit and how that the ability to use these spaces to Have opportunities, but also how we're not increasing spread How we're keeping people safe in their own social groups is a little more challenging as we go out there We see busy parks. We see a lot of groups of people that are Isolating themselves from other groups. So once we're in those groups, then if it's the same household They don't have to have a mask. However, we are not going out this time I'm sure council is aware and asking people you're in the same household Even if you were checked for IDs One that it could be a group of sorority Women that are up here and they're Living in the same household, but they don't have the same address It could be a family Who lives at different households or all lives the same house, but they have kids in college They're coming back. So those those IDs only always match up or give us a good way to know the people at household So what we're really looking for is the ability for people to go out Find a space where they can keep their six foot distancing where them and their group are not impacted by another user group They can use that infrastructure. We've provided and doing a safe way by making decisions for themselves. So We are so working with this. You can go to the next slide, please However, it's the piece that you know resources that we know we we really could use to do a better job I think we've shared with council that we only have three park rangers out at union right now We are in the hiring process for two more of button rock, which would be a huge benefit We're working on building that volunteer program which again takes It takes time to make sure people are trained appropriately. I mentioned it Prior to this that when we put people out there With a longmont uniform on or a longmont footboard a longmont name tag that they're representing city We want to make sure that they're doing a way that represents the city's philosophies But also keeps them safe and the people are contacting safe Um signage we've been doing low low Costs making laminate signs putting them up things like no swimming at mackintosh They're temporary. They blow down to get tore down takes labor takes time But we're working on that We're also looking at volunteers to help us put those signs up and keep up on that If we want to start looking at mid-range signs that we can just kind of do quick go to the sign shop We're looking like 11 000. Um, if you want to do full sign package a place like mackintosh You're looking about 82 000 One things we're also working with and Harold I gave them a shout out but peter gibbons and the group looking at some of the grants That are out there goko is offering some stuff now to help agencies respond to this and one things that can be covered Are things like rangers and signs? So we're we're racing deadlines to get some grants in To help us meet those funding needs Harold and dale have been great saying how can we work internally to look at using recreation using using people whose jobs may not be fully Utilized right now. So I think that created peace with grants are a great way for us to keep moving forward next slide So it really does take all these pieces working together Knowing that we don't have you know, just say a deep well to go to to do this I think we are going to continue to work collaboratively to strengthen All those folks so we continue continue by this experience for our community and I'll just go back to I think All the groups I get on the phone with our zoom calls It's just this profession. I think we recognize how important keeping these spaces open to the public is for their mental and physical help so Health so that we're we're really doing everything we can to make sure we provide a space that Is safest possible while protecting our natural resources so they're not impacted for Next season or our next generations next slide And that's my quick update and again. I know I think you've probably heard a lot of this already But I really want to make sure that what you're hearing from your constituents is lining up with what we're hearing and also If there's things that we're doing that you're unaware of or have questions about please let me know All right councilor beck David, I wanted to thank you very much for this presentation as well as for the volunteer education part whenever whenever we have something that we need help with involving the community Brings us together whether it's a flood whether it's a pandemic whether it And they want to help so I thank you very much for doing that And I was out at macintosh this weekend and people People are better. There is it but there was absolutely no parking on the on the street that is Right next to macintosh I don't Is that lake shore? Yes Um, they were finding other places to park. I think that the word is getting out that everybody has to be responsible There are still some kids taking their unsafe rafts out and then pretending like they Sell off when actually they're diving into the water um, but I do want The public to know that these are public parks Just because you live by one does not mean it is specifically for you The entire city has access to all our public parks and um I am happy that we have all these parks during this uh ridiculous surreal time So, um, thank you for all your work and let us know how we can help you I appreciate that I'm so botched for just a minute because I think it's a piece that I think me and my staff have Really talked about and as we look at um kind of social equity piece where people that don't have backyards They don't have a green space. They don't have anything other than our than our parks I I really think that these are important spaces for our whole community I know it can be a very it can be a challenge for the neighbor who lived there and wasn't used to this I think it's a Opportunity to try to engage in that but that conversation but you're right I think having these parks out there for the whole community is something we all have to understand I think the thing I would add to what David said just real quick is this is um an extreme exercise for us and in social engagement with individuals based on what we're seeing and how they approach it um, and and there's there's just a lot of people management and We're constantly getting these calls. Um, I had one a text of a picture where We actually had some teenagers on top of one of our water buildings at one of our parks um, and they were sun tanning and eating food and so How we work together as it comes in I call Jeff sat or Jeff gets someone but by the time they get there they're gone um And and so what people I think what I would like the community to understand is we're seeing it and we're hearing it But in many cases by the time we can actually get someone there Whatever people are doing they're not doing it anymore and and the thing I would say to everyone And and I've even said this to my staff educate Don't enforce because we know what some of the the interactions have been like And if it and if we're going to go there then we need to contact the appropriate people because we we've seen The bad side of some of these interactions Um, and that's why I want to be very cautious with everyone Because there's times when it's been pretty tough for our staff and when they've engaged in those conversations All right um, then thank you very much. I echoed uh councilmember pex Appreciation for the report and the update. Thank you. Great. Thank you. All right. Harold. Is that it? What's it? All right, cool. Let's move on and invite is jess garrickson here. Who's who's joining us from her group? I'm here. Jessica. All right. I am the group right now. You you are the group All right, let's go ahead and welcome you and hear your your presentation, please Great. Thank you, mayor bagley and councilmembers. I will let you know that Um, harold has given me a strict. I believe seven minutes to um do my presentation this evening understanding Uh, the length of your agenda tonight and so I'll do my best to stick within that if not Fall below and so without those time limitations. You've been provided my report in advance in your packet I'm not going to go through every metric and every objective as I've done At sometimes in the past and I've just pulled out some highlights Some sections where I think they're I might be able to answer questions before they're asked, but I'm happy to answer questions Regarding any portion of the report that you are provided or the presentation the pieces of that that I'll be presenting tonight And um, I don't know who's running my presentation I see it You can go to the next slide You can just go to the next slide So just to remind you that our contract with you as well as our work plan is aligned with the focus areas of advance 112.0 of talent connectivity place impact and industry Uh, provide you an update on advance 112.0 You'll recall we did suspend the working groups in the early days of the pandemic so that we could focus our efforts on the business response team And partnership with other advanced partner organizations. We have reconvened all of the working groups All of the active working groups Over the course of the last month Really to look at a review of the pre-covid initiatives Whether or not they were still relevant and how timely they were In a covid world or in the midst of The covid pandemic and so we're updating those work plans I say we uh, but many of you or if not all of you have probably heard that morgan is no longer with the organization His last day was july 31st. Um, he's gone on to pursue his entrepreneurial dreams with a um A business that he and his father started and so, um, we are without a leader for advance 112.0 But hopefully very briefly as we'll be posting a position for a collective impact coordinator So somebody whose job it will be um to come in and take the baton um from morgan Who will help onboard that person to really? Support the work of advance 112.0. And we so we hope to have that person in place by september And then We can go to the next slide So our work plan at long want edp is really focused on three areas of advance 112.0 As is our contract with uh, the city of long wand and those are a talent industry and impact If you go to the next slide, I'm just going to highlight a few of the things that are in your For sorry, we can go to the next slide I got seven minutes here I'm just kidding Um, so starting with talent at the advance 112.0 goal around talent is to successfully recruit and retain new needed talent while building an industry and future responsive Pipeline i'm going to focus mostly on the first part of that which is our efforts to recruit and retain new needed talent Next slide We have officially launched our national marketing campaign one component of that being a talent attraction campaign We are actually putting um advertising as well as media so owned earned and um Paid media into target markets that are either producing or have a high concentration of the talent that's specifically needed by our Industry base here We actually talk to industry here in long lot. Um, in particular our leadership council who invested in this campaign To find out what their skills and talent needs are and we're targeting markets that are again either producing through their university systems Or already have high concentrations because of their industry industry concentrations Of that talent and making the case for a long one as both a place where you can have the lifestyle that you want as well as career advancement opportunities within those industries Our targeted industries in particular Go to the next slide one of our metrics in In the contract with the city is to develop kpis around that campaign And so I shared with you in the report what those kpis are And even though this is technically third quarter stuff wanted to share with you some of the early results that we're reporting against those kpis so we Having launched that campaign in the first part of july Have already driven to over 2700 new users to our website And if you can scroll down a little bit You can see the age breakdown being really that 25 to 54 age range With a consistent uptick in both Monthly and user monthly and weekly users since we began the campaign. We'll continue to report out on those I just wanted to show you some of the early results And to remind you too that the this campaign or this part of the campaign is really a top of funnel awareness campaign And so we will ultimately especially as it relates to the portion of that that is to attract industry and business investment We'll have some future kpis on conversion of that activity into actual relocation of talent and actual Business and industry investment and job creation in our community We're just setting a baseline now because this is the first time we've done a campaign like this for a long time Next slide We have done some paid social advertising Facebook impressions on those advertisements over three hundred and eighty thousand impressions of which And 2700 clicks of which boston interestingly makes up about a third of the total So people looking to relocate and hear hear from boston I think that not an accident when we look at the industry concentration and talent and the drive of People in the midst of the pandemic to get out of those more highly dense environments into places where they can still have career advancement opportunities, but a more Relaxed lifestyle and a more spread out lifestyle than what they might have in areas like boston and the bay area Which are two of our targeted areas linked in interestingly We've seen most of our activity coming out of portland. So 24 percent of impressions coming from portland and I have no theory on that portland and dember metro area are often competitive in terms of both business location and talent location And so we'll continue to watch if that remains consistent over time So moving forward I also wanted to Update you that we did finally launch the long want start to home program I'll remind you we started talking about this last year as a talent relocation program So a tool for our existing industry base and newly relocating companies to use to help attract talent Or convince talent to relocate as part of a relocation of a company post pandemic We actually have been able to work with our partners at cornerstone home lending To pivot that to allow for it to be used also for existing long want based employees who are either Seeking to move out of rentals or even just move across town and purchase a home or In some cases refinance which becomes incredibly important important as part of economic recovery for individuals During and post pandemic Next all right and in this quick industry update again the goal primary local and startup companies In long want thrive with a collaborative business environment and easy access to financing real estate mentorship going forward next slide Just provided some more detailed information about our prospect pipeline We still have a very active pipeline with 29 total Primary industry prospects that we've worked with year to date 17 of those having come in new in 2020 some of those even in june and early july With over 7,000 jobs in that pipeline. So if we were to win all 29 of those prospects We would be creating over 7,600 jobs The most interesting piece of this that I wanted to share with you is the real estate demand by square feet needed by those prospects Nearly half of those prospects are companies that are looking for in excess of 100,000 square feet and so other than the max facility and One other facility at dry creek right now and then ultimately the ge facility for existing space We don't have a lot of big block 100,000 square foot existing space So in order to accommodate future users of that size, which it seems to be where we're getting a lot of interest Um, especially in recent weeks and months Is in with those larger users We are having ongoing conversations with Our development community As well as our landowner community to talk about how we at least get site shovel ready to be able to provide bill to suit options for Some of those prospects as they're coming to us We're also going to be partnering with the long went downtown development authority to do a citywide real estate office and industrial real estate market assessment to understand In a covet world what our baseline is what some of the challenges and opportunities will be facing Certainly, I wouldn't have anticipated that we'd suddenly get a bunch of 100,000 plus 300,000 square foot users that were interested in long months So we'd like to better understand what those dynamics are how we take advantage of them and also ensure that We're attracting and incentivizing potentially Those businesses, especially of that size that match our our values as a community So going to the next slide And just also wanted to point out that another component of our national marketing campaign is the traditional business attraction economic development messaging to site selection and corporate real estate Decision makers across the country again targeting those regions nationally that have concentrations of Our targeted industries that may have an interest to expand or relocate into long line next slide And then for entrepreneurial development just wanted to break on the innovate long month program That's the accelerator program that spun out of long watt edp earlier this year Founded in long watt edp in 2018 seven startups have now completed the first innovate accelerator cohort um One of those startups did was awarded recently a $250,000 Colorado advanced industries accelerator grant And then winter winds robotics another one of those startups robotics Aerospace robotics company has uh expanded into about a thousand square feet of our space because we wanted to make sure We could continue to accommodate them here in long watt So we gave up some of our space to do so They now have been awarded a phase one spir are pursuing a phase two spir And have been awarded a nasa contract to get their robotic arm onto spacecraft that will actually Be part of future launch and so excited about them and they're now actually employing 15 people having launched out of our innovate long month accelerator in november of last year and I believe profitable Not certain on that but definitely generating revenue already significant revenue already The the accelerator has pivoted to a fully online platform So they're going to test that out for the second cohort which will launch in fall of 2020 and applications are now open for that And then in the interest of time we'll go to the next slide And talk about impact Our goal here being to be nationally recognized as a city that solves problems solves problems together uniting organizations resources and people From all sectors to implement what matters and this of course is more important now in a covid world than it ever has been before But just wanted to point out that this advanced long month 2.0 strategy having Launched it when we did certainly we weren't prepared for or anticipating global pandemic But I think that we have a head start in terms of recovery and resilience for our community Because we were already had this collective impact model where we were already talking about And actively aligning resources And goals and working together on more strategic initiatives That matter but now Using that same strategy to address the problems and the challenges that have come with Covid and the pandemic so our aspire leadership council has been very active in helping us to develop some policy recommendations We're actually using leveraging that leadership council To support the conversation around early childhood education and daycare and what industry's role can be In addressing that challenge for our community We're also working with visit long lawn chamber of commerce Um and the downtown development authority to better align our resources around marketing Um, also in an effort to lift up visit long lawn as they as they've struggled most significantly from an organization financing perspective Because of the loss of lodging tax revenues So to keep that help keep that organization alive as well as align and better share resources across organizations Is something that I can't envision would have happened pre advanced long lawn 2.0 under the same circumstances But because we were already Of that mindset of that collective impact mindset. We've been very quickly able to Put together a strategy to address just circumstances With that I will stop and answer any questions that you have All right, I don't see any questions, but Jessica, thank you very much for your presentation and we appreciate the work you do And uh, do you have any uh, next time we expect a picture of that new baby I have plenty of those Slideshow baby pictures. Yeah, well next time at least one slide with the baby picture place. All right All right, cool later All right, let's move on to mayor and council. Come just kidding. We're not done All right, let's go on to study study study session item number one 6a resilient state brain project update Mayor vaguely and members of council. I'm going to start that presentation off if don can start the slideshow Tonight at your study session. This is really to give you an update On the status of the resilient st. Marine program and project Council, you know, we have been underway with this project literally for Going on seven years now Since the september 2013 flood it has been a It has been an interesting project It's one that I really do believe has brought the community together Around a common and shared goal and purpose to protect people and property in times of flood and I'm Very proud of the staff that has been involved with this project and most importantly, uh, of course nick wol from who Seems like a long time ago used to be our director of engineering and nick is still with us Working hand in hand with josh Sherman who is our senior engineer that's going to make the presentation tonight a couple of things I want council to To take away from this presentation one is is that We're going to provide some information on the upcoming army core project and most importantly We are going to have we have the contract ready for your consideration At your august 11th meeting and so tonight is really good opportunity to ask questions about that particular aspect of the project And that we wanted to give you an update as well On the additional federal dollars that we are trying to bring into the community In particular for the unfunded reach of the project that is upstream of sunset And so with that i'll turn it over to josh Sherman to Take us through the presentation Thank you for that introduction dale Next side please don't Thank you So as dale mentioned, um the resilient st. Brain project was initiated after the september 2013 flood event It's the city's multi-year multi-phase project to fully restore the st. Brain greenway trail Improve the st. Brain creek channel to protect people property and infrastructure from future flood risks And one of the project's goals is to incorporate natural channel design and techniques were feasible And complete the work in an environmentally sensitive way I think of rsvp as a master plan for st. Brain creek And again the extent to this project Begin on the downstream side at the confluence of st. Brain creek and boulder creek out at sandstone ranch on the east end of the city And they work all the way upstream to the west into the city at airport road Next slide please So the agenda that we want to get through tonight Is to provide a status update on the project The presentation will follow The phasing of the project improvements by starting on the downstream side and work upstream The the project has been segmented into reaches or phases That are being completed based on the funding availability And this highlight like dale mint this presentation like dale mentioned will highlight some of the work that's complete Some of the work that's currently under construction Where we are with final design and pending work And finally where we are headed with some of the future phases Next slide This graphic just provides an illustration of the reaches that we're going to speak to tonight In yellow is city reach one Again, it begins on the downstream side at left hand creek in the city's way to our treatment plant And ends at main street that work is complete The area in red as we referred to as city reach 2a Begins at main street and works upstream west of south crowd parkway um, of course the south crowd parkway bridge and main street bridge have also been replaced in coordination With the project and to pass the new flood flows The area in green is referred to as city reach 2b It includes channel improvements immediately upstream and downstream of the bnsf railroad bridge and includes replacement of that structure That is a project. That's currently under construction Uh further upstream is a short section in blue that we refer to as isek walton reach one Extends from price road up to boston avenue. It's a very confined section of the of the channel And then moving further upstream in the magenta Is what we refer to as isek walton reach two It's an area that we've been working on with the army corps of engineers Through a feasibility study and that we are planning to advance towards final design That project also includes replacement of the boston avenue bridge on the downstream side And then finally upstream from south sunset street. We refer to as uh city reach three from sunset all the way out to airport road we would anticipate um completing that project in phases because it's currently unfunded And looking at the initial phase of the hober road reach from sunset up to hober road So next slide, please We have a short three minute video to share and while don and susan are maybe queuing that up. I can set the stage Um, this is an aerial video that starts at the downstream end of the project near left hand creek In the city's ways for our treatment plant and moves upstream to where work is currently Underway at the bnsf railroad bridge I want to give a quick. Thank you to the long walk police department for providing a drone and a pilot To fly this section of the creek and to the city's public information team For editing and putting together this video. So with that we can start the video Are you hearing this? I am not but it's just um elevator music to the background Of the video next slide So um To continue and to highlight some of again some of the work that's been done city reach one and city reach 2a Are projects that are both complete um In coordination with those the dickens farm nature area Was also recently completed. Um earlier this year and as david mentioned in a previous presentation tonight That's an area where the public can Is invited to and can interact with the water in the creek and it's proven to be very popular On city reach one and city reach 2a is a reminder. We're primarily funded through The FEMA public assistance also alternative procedures funding the pap program As well as local local dollars And then adjacent to those reaches the main street bridge and southpac parkway bridge, which were both Separate transportation capital improvement programs or projects Um have also been replaced and and now have the capacity to pass the larger new storm flows um A couple of accolades that the project has received Uh an apwa american public works association Colorado chapter award for sustainability in the large community category and then uh recently I just learned that uh one of our funding partners FEMA has been referencing the resilient saint brain project as an example For good mitigation projects that implement resilient infrastructure and nature based flood protection. So We're humbled to get that recognition Next slide please So one with the work that's been completed the the city is going to initiate a letter of map revision And this slide illustrates the benefits uh and floodplain improvements for the projects completed to date The area in blue shown on the screen is the 100-year floodplain And on this map are some uh tributaries the saint brain creek as well such as left hand creek and spring gulch number one um the areas in in the black crosshatch are properties and infrastructure and Structures that have been removed from the 100-year floodplain As a result of the project improvements completed to date So some of those areas that are being highlighted such as the city's wastewater treatment plant facility are now protected um Some commercial and residential properties south of the creek adjacent to main street and south prap parkway um, and so Again, we'll be initiating a letter of map revision Which is the steps that are necessary to actually have the floodplain maps reflect those benefits Um not all the property adjacent to those reaches have been removed from the 100-year floodplain And that's because the project needs to continue further upstream To cut off some of the out-of-bank flooding that's shown on this map and represented as uh the saint brain creek isaac walton split flow And so we'll get into that as we continue to move forward Next slide, please City reach to be was at the end of the video there that was uh currently under construction And again, it's the channel improvements immediately upstream and downstream Of the bnsf railroad crossing and includes a replacement of that bridge as well as replacement of the price road pedestrian bridge at that location That project is scheduled to be substantially complete in uh december of this year The uh the railroad bridge has been replaced and the picture on the top right is a bnsf train running over That new structure the contractor is out there this week excavating the new channel underneath that new bridge this project um Removes a dog leg and a major construction on the on the creek, which was the old railroad bridge And will result in additional floodplain benefits. And so The city would initiate uh plans to initiate another floodplain remapping a letter of map revision number two So next slide, please On the web for what initiate playing mystery another apology is my phone thinks it's tough. I'm talking to it. Um So this city staff has been coordinating with uh bota county collaborative and has secured Approximately 13.8 million dollars to date. Um through the hud community development block grant disaster recovery program, which is uh the majority of funding For these channel improvements and railroad bridge replacement About 12.6 million of that 13.8 is funding the project The additional funding that remains will help. Um is eligible for utility relocations and some property acquisition upstream at boston avenue So next slide, please Um continuing to move upstream is uh the isaq walton phase one reach Again a very constrained uh section of the channel Um as the cross section shows This reach will continue the modular block retaining walls um within this area and One of the reasons we're doing that is to um Keep the improvements within within the city-owned property and and limit the impact to the Commercial and industrial properties on the north bank in the st. Brain mobile home park on the south bank We went through a lot of design iterations to Really try to not have to relocate any mobile homes or or any businesses through this reach um That project is complete with final design and we anticipate going out to bid and starting construction late this year and The funding piece for that is the remainder of that FEMA PAP funding and local dollars Next slide, please Uh continuing upstream is the isaq walton phase two reach again That's the section of the creek that uh city has been coordinating With the army core of engineers through their section 205 program We've been working with the army core since 2016 on a feasibility study to get to the point that we can um Call this the preferred alternative for the for the improvements that we're going to work on with the army core In fact that feasibility study is is being routed within the army core for their division commanders Signature right now as the cross section shows this is a section where um We move out of the of the walls and back into a tiered cross section for the channel with slope grading and um a levy adjacent to the isaq walton pond Next slide, please This is just an exhibit that again kind of shows those uh improvements again It includes the replacement of the boston avenue bridge, which is shown sort of in the yellow rectangle um The hatching areas Show the channel improvements and then that beige area would be the levy that's uh between The pond and the channel which cuts off those isaq walton split flows um To picture the levy really just picture the berm that existed before the flood but constructed in a um In a more specified way in a more resilient way so that it can be classified as a levy um, but it's it doesn't Intend to be a structure that's elevated 15 feet in the air above existing grade in the surrounding area Next slide, please So to expand a little bit on um the us army core of engineers 205 program again It's it has a 15 million dollar project limit Typically that is 65 percent federal funding through the army cores With 35 minimum local match The city's local funding match is um Made up of of a cash contribution of a minimum of five percent of the total project cost The army core gives credit for any land owned or land acquired needed within the project footprint And then they give credit for any work in kind which in this case The city is using the boston avenue bridge replacement um As dale mentioned before at the introduction We staff has been negotiating and coordinating with the army core to draft up a public partnership agreement um We plan to bring that in front of council at the august 11th regular session for consideration The public partnership agreement or ppa includes final design and construction of the isek walton reached two improvements um One thing about the army core that's unique in comparison to some of our previous funding partners Is that the army core will actually manage Final design and they will also manage bidding and construction of the improvements and in this case the channel improvements The city would maintain design and construction of our match the boston avenue bridge replacement Um, and then at the end of the day once all the work is complete The city would own and maintain uh that infrastructure Um currently uh that you'll what you'll see in your council packet for the august 11th and the ppa Is that the current cost estimate for the project is about 14.7 million dollars? And the army cores match is about 51 or seven and a half million dollars And the city's match is about 49 Largely made up of um Again our work in kind with the boston avenue bridge replacement um So, uh as del said at the end of this presentation, we can certainly talk more about that If needed one of the things I want to highlight is that In the 2021 cip budget, which will be presented to council later this year That budget includes funding for construction of the boston avenue bridge replacement, which is under the transportation trp 118 so um approval of that of that trp 118 project provides the city's required match or part of the city's required match for our local funding And then finally we would initiate one more letter of map revision after this project's complete. So next slide Again, this slide illustrates the benefits of of the stream improvements once they're complete up the south sunset street The areas in blue again represent the 100 year flood plain And similar to the previous slide the areas in the black cross hatch Show um those properties that would be removed from the 100 year flood plain And so you can really start to see um the benefits of all the work currently completed and that's planned up the south sunset Which would remove approximately that hatched area is about 266 acres and several hundred commercial buildings and and residential homes So next slide please So mentioned before upstream of south sunset street We refer to a city reach three which again extends from sunset up to airport road. This reach is currently unfunded We have completed again a master plan and some conceptual level design for this reach staff would expect to phase the final design With and construction within that reach based on available funding similar to how work was completed downstream Uh, this slide illustrates the hover road reach from sunset to A hover road including a box culvert This is the preferred alternative that we've presented and discussed with council in the past It's we refer to it sometimes the split flow alternative So it's a split flow uh channel through the fairgrounds pond capturing Water that's already come out of the bank west of hover road Bringing that uh those flood flows back into the main stem of the creek Um, this project is estimated to be about 20 million dollars and the benefits of the project So in this slide the blue and the pink together represent the 100 year floodplain Um, again north of the creek that floodplain was mitigate would be mitigated with the core project But on the south bank of the creek and east of hover road All that area in peak pink is uh floodplain and property that would be removed Uh, if this project on the hover road reach can be completed So that's a significant portion of the developed section of the city long month that can be removed from the st. Brain Creek floodplain with this project um So currently staff is preparing a FEMA Pre-disaster mitigation or PDM grant application for funding this hover road reach um the fema PDM Program is is a 75 federal share and a 25 local match So that would be roughly 15 million dollar. Um, if we can get fully funded through the grant 15 million dollars in federal funding and five million dollars required for a local match Um, should we be awarded the grant funding? We would need to consider alternatives for our local funding match um some options that could be available are leveraging other capital improvement projects such as trp 117 which is currently unfunded but is the hover road bridge over st. Brain Creek improvements or potentially, um, you know a future strong drainage bond or rate increases within that uh program So staff, um as we as we move further along in that grant application process We certainly plan to provide a future update to council regarding that uh grant application local funding alternatives and then finally, um it worked upstream of hover road to uh airport road Is about 40 million dollars more of improvements and and again, those are currently unfunded So next slide, please and that does conclude the update for the resilient st. Brain project And uh, thank you for your time and attention this evening and we're happy to take any questions that you might have All right councilmember christensen uh Josh thank you so much. I am um I'm in awe and I um In envy what an incredible engineering project. This is so varied and so extensive and uh, I think you guys have done an amazingly thoughtful and uh hard work on this project for everybody involved from city manager public all the public works and um And I know some of this looks kind of bleak right now But as somebody who gardens and has been doing that for a number of years It's going to look really good in a few years. It's just It takes time plans take time um So I was going to say How are we going to get that money? Where are we going to do? We have to do something We have to write to you know, but you guys have already thought about some of those things any amount of anything that this council can do to Uh say write letters to ask for federal help. We'll certainly do I think and um Uh federal help state help county help dr. Cog help Anything we will be happy to uh I think all of us will be happy to sign our name to a letter asking for help Thanks again Very welcome. Thank you All right. Thank you very much Appreciate it You're welcome. All right. Hey mayor What's surreal around about this presentation and seeing it is any of the great work they've done But people don't realize this when they were building the railroad bridge. They actually had to keep The railroad operating while they were building the bridge. So when you get into the details on this Uh a phenomenal work nick josh del the entire group What's interesting is this was our first federally federal disaster in 2013 The surreal part is we're still in it and working on projects and closing out when we have another one that we're dealing with and that was Just to sort of remind you all in the community. It's um It was one of those moments where you just went wow, we've got two But it really is a testament to the phenomenal work they do and if you ever want to go out let us know and we'll Walk you through that area. It's It's good to get the the first-hand tour from josh and nick because they really work you through all the details Thank you All right anything else councilor pat Josh can I uh or can we have a copy of that video? It's great Absolutely Great. Thanks. Sure. All right anything else All right, josh. Good job. We really appreciate it. Um having had a front row seat to the floods of 2013 It's amazing how much progress we've made dale Thanks to you and your staff for for everything you've done. I We would be a much different city if we didn't have your dedication passion love and experience and knowledge, etc, etc. Thank you Just felt fortunate tonight that I uh didn't have to talk after watching that video. It uh, Think I would have a little choked up So I was going to be positive that we're all grateful. We didn't hear from you either, but you still did a good job All right, let's go ahead and move on to when to get firming project allotment contract review, please And um, so uh again while they're loading the the slideshow for this one, um city council tonight is your study session um and it's to um for staff to bring to you um the uh the winning app firming project um I I think the really good news that we have tonight Is that uh, we believe um staff together with the water board have really arrived at what we believe to be um Not only a doable a level of participation in the project, but most importantly one that will Uh meet the long-term needs of this community through the build-out of the of the Envision Longmont planning area And and importantly as well to position Longmont and to continue to position Longmont to um Be able to meet all the unknowns coming to us with climate change and other challenges that we know our community is going to face and so um I'm very happy tonight to to bring this to you And uh similar to the r.m. A core project We will also be bringing to you um likely in september the um allotment contracts for the windy gap project and so With that i'm going to turn it over to uh kin hueson and and becky d'Oreal to uh give you a presentation on the project Both in a status update as well as to uh Discuss the issues of participation level and and and those items So go ahead kin Thank you dale and uh Council uh mayor and council um kin hueson water resources manager with public works natural resources department Uh, thank you for your time tonight um Could we have the next slide? Tonight we'd like to give you a summary Of the windy gap firming project, uh the history and status of it review the allotment contract and escrow agreements That's two agreements. We'll be bringing back in september for council's action We wanted to be able to give you a preview of it and get any input you might have on those um two agreements and then finally um, we'll ask at the end ask Council to give direct staff regarding the final participation level For the windy gap uh firming project Next slide please The i'd like to first briefly Especially for the public to let them understand uh long months, uh raw water source There's really two raw water sources along my uses first water. The first is the native basin water Which is the st. Rain Creek. This map shows the area West of longmont up to the continental divide Primarily the north st. Rain, but also south st. Rain water Is what we utilize it's about two-thirds of our water supply And then about one third of our water supply is from the west slope Two sources the windy gap project and the color of big Thompson project both of those projects Are stored in lake rambi, which is on the left side of the map there And then um is pumped through um shadow mountain grand lake flows to the albu b Adams tunnel into um Eventually ending up in carter lake for delivery to longmont Next slide please Wanted to give you a little bit of project history on the on both the windy gap parent project the diversion project and also the history of the windy gap firming project On the parent project the actual diversion out of the color of river In 1967 longmont's mayor Ralph price on behalf of six front range cities filed for that water right It took about 20 years after that to actually get the project constructed and operational it became our operational in 1985 And it primarily utilizes the color of big Thompson project to get the water here to the west slope As part of that original project It was always contemplated that the storage reservoir would need to be built Early on in the early on in the parent project filing was made for what was called Jasper reservoir on the west slope and in 1999 as the as the parent project was um Payments were being made and the project was uh, completely operational The second phase of the project or the storage Component was being investigated it started in 1999 and One of the first steps you have to do is work through the federal permitting processes And the very first step is to do Uh an alternatives analysis of the different alternatives to What then was contemplated the Jasper project Chimney hola reservoir, which is where we are today was one of those of over 200 reservoir sites that were looked at And studied extensively As part of that process it became quickly obvious that really having the project The storage project on the east slope was very beneficial. I think the flood of 2013 Taught us that um, the more resilient the the closer your supply can be to your facilities The better off you are both both some some Environmental concerns with the reservoir site on the west side as well as the fact that having that storage on the east slope was much better um led us to the um Chimney holo site as the preferred site at that point started legal and permitting for that site we also started the the For the legal permitting there were numerous numerous project legal permits that were required We needed to get a 1041 permit from grand county um a 401 water quality through the state a 404 permit fill and dredge permit from the Core as well as the overall project permit from the united states Bureau of Reclamation, which is the owner and operator of the carabit Thompson project that's really the permit that um Allows the project to move forward And that permit um The us bureau reclamation is the lead federal agency for Permitting for this project There were two legal actions that are necessary to bring this project forward um the first one is filing in the state water court to make sure that all of the permitting all of the Activity we're doing as well as the the storage vessel and how we intend to use it Is legal as well as one of the mitigation projects This project is doing is the construction of a connectivity channel around the windy gap reservoir on the west slope Where we divert the water to provide connectivity from above to below that reservoir that needed a state Decree as well Pleased to report today that the that case has made its way through water court the referee signed the final decree In early july there was a 21 day protest period as in all water rights cases that 21 day perm uh protest period has expired and there were no protest filed So the last action for that case is to have the uh judge in Water division five to sign that we're expecting that at any time but that that pretty much the most significant Item we had was getting that state water court. There is also was a federal case a challenge to the issuance of both the 404 permitted primarily the us bureau reclamation permit for the project That was filed in 2017 the final Arguments and Action on that case occurred in july of 2019. So we're just a little over a year from The final arguments in that case We're waiting any day. Uh, we hope sooner than later, but it could We don't know exactly when the the federal court will give us a ruling on that We really need to get that Case settled before we can actually start the project The design is 100 complete and a contractor has been selected. That's bernard construction. They're out of montana and they do Done major major dam and reservoir construction all over us in the world They're actually on site. They're doing a little bit of grabbing. Mostly what they're doing is Getting their projects the middles through and Design of the cofferdam and things like that so that when the federal case is done We're actually able to start moving quite quickly on that and then finally on the environmental aspects Again, as we mentioned all the permits are are done including The mitigation Of the any impacts of the project fully 100 percent mitigated and a number of enhancement projects, which will actually make the project a net positive environmental impact and on the next slide, please this is next slide is a Rendering of what the reservoir will look like when it's completed on the left side. You can see carter lake I think most people are familiar with carter lake there's a Chimney hollow is on the middle of the picture there The shinier reservoir That's what the reservoir will look like when it's constructed Look, it'll really be almost a twin of carter lake And all the property was acquired a number of years ago. So we're we're ready to move forward on that One of the aspects that I think is great beyond the water supply if you look just to the right side of The chimney hollow reservoir. You see the mountain side there with the greener area. That's blue mountain. It's It was purchased by larimer county as part of the purchase of all the property out there There's about 3 000 acres an area similar in size to button rock preserve That when this reservoir is constructed the entire area will be open for public recreation and use which will really Help. I believe it'll be an asset to our community having that great of a facility that close to it Next side, please We'd like to go through real quickly then on the allotment contract and the escrow agreements and Just a real quick explanation of an allotment contract. It's The an allotment contract essentially gives us an allotment in the in the reservoir itself It's an undivided interest. We'll have Currently we're subscribed to 8 000 acre feet. Whatever we finally subscribe to that's what we'll Receive an allotment for that's why it's called an allotment contract It's similar if you can think of it as like a share in a company You don't own any specific part of it, but you own an undivided interest That's that's the important aspect of the allotment contract Um, there are Eight really key parts of the allotment contract that you have before you to now just real quickly go through those kind of explain them The first the first section is just um definitions the second section Is allotting the subscribe capacity in the reservoir in in our case either What what we choose tonight will be that allotted capacity And the third section describes the construction of the project and how the project will be completed That really carries you through construction and it won't be applicable after the construction The fourth section outlines operation of the project after the completion there are numerous numerous agreements and and permits and Input to this reservoir and how it will operate It can't all be covered in the allotment contract the allotment contract really for operations Sets that up and there will be a separate operational criteria that will be developed over time after after that happens The fifth part of it is the term of the contract It's a perpetual contract as long as we you know meet our payment obligations How you might transfer an allotment in the future after construction any default provisions not only If longer were to default the more importantly if somebody else in the project would default Which protects long month and again and any amendment processes for the allotment contract The sixth section is just describes the funding and how it'll process um, and then finally important to long month the seventh section is provisions for cash allotees long month will be a cash allotty um, there are people who bring cash and there will be people who Participating in pooled financing long month will be a cash allotty so the seventh section really applies to long month finally the eight section which won't apply to long month is pulled financing Allotties and then finally it also attaches a sample escrow agreement It's simply we'll be putting a lot of money moving a lot of money up to when you get from your project enterprise for Then they will hold that money during the construction process so that just gives us some legal Protection on how how how that money is Allocated how that money is invested in and how it's it's done um, and then next slide please Finding the one to talk a little bit about and most importantly focused in on the financial considerations for this project um, we are currently subscribed in the project at 8,000 acre feet That was a previous city council direction We've been in there for about three or four years now at that level The total cost for that is about 60 million dollars just a little bit less At 8,000 acre feet. We're also looking closely at 7,500 acre feet as our participation and that that will cost us around 56 million for that funding level The funding sources for this project. There's really four um Internal funding sources and then a fifth which is um, you may remember in 2017 The citizens approved a bond for 36.3 million dollars Which we will use that we will sell those bonds and use that funding for the majority of this project Then finally four internal funds that will be used are the water construction fund That is revenue generated from the sales of water taps At new development a water operating fund, which is our rate revenue There also Is money in a raw water storage fund which we've kept since We had high mountain dams up in rocky mountain national park where we sold the dam and the And the easement back to the park and we have about a half a million dollars of that money left which we'll put into this project And finally cash in lieu of water rights We have about six and a half million dollars In the bank right now and anticipate a little bit more As development occurs in the next year or so So all of that funding will be used for this We've really looked at um The participation level based upon our future water supply needs and our financial considerations And at this point Next slide, please at this point. We've we've looked at that with Both with water board and and Do have a recommendation Kind of the areas we're looking at right now is the 8,000 acre feet that we're currently at The the minimum future water supply we really need for the eventual Um planning horizon for the city is 6,300 acre feet Um, we looked at both of those areas. We also looked at Tried to balance both the the level of the water We get as in our financial considerations and Currently, we believe we can fit the project in at 7,500 acre feet without Unduly impacting some of our Asset management. We have a number of existing assets in our system that are requiring rehabilitation and so At 7,500 acre feet. We're able to balance keeping our system running as well as Being able to fund it and finally there are many other considerations that could be looked at They're really undetermined future water conservation might bring it down a little bit More more impactful climate impacts could bring it up so Those are all really undetermined and really at this point we're not able to To give you a really good recommendation from those So as such staff went to water board recommended 7,500 acre feet as to help with our financial considerations water board reviewed that and agreed with that and and unanimously recommend city council to participate at the 7,500 acre foot level so next slide, please At this point that kind of concludes my Presentation on on the history in the summary. We'd be happy to answer any questions. We also have Our legal council on tonight in case you have any specific legal questions about the allotment contract and we have jeff drager a representative from northern Water who it could answer. He's the project manager for this project could answer help answer questions So we'd be happy to answer any questions or take input primarily with respect to the Financial the participation level after we get that input we will Take that back to northern will come up with a final allotment contract And that final allotment contract will go to water board in their august meeting and city council in hopefully september Thank you. All right. Thank you very much councilman Thank you can and thank you mere Bagley. Um I have a question about the pooled funding Option that it's been understood from the beginning long month would not participate in Um, can you explain why that decision was from the beginning that long month would not would would go the funding on its Own and not participate in the pooled funding Yes, mayor councilmember martin. Uh, be happy to the pooled financing Is is a great tool. In fact, we use that in the original windy gap parent project funding Unfortunately, one of the aspects of pooled financing is that to be able to help sell the bonds in a pooled financing scheme The investors are going to want to see what's called um a step up provision In essence if any one of the one or more Of the participants in a pooled financing were to not make their payments The other participants would step up and make the payments for them Um, they would they would get their allotment capacity if they did that but they would still be on the hook uniquely to long month um That basically counts against our bonding capacity and so If that were to happen We would have to count that against our bonding capacity, which would limit the amount of bonding We would be able to take out Which we would then not have enough bonding capacity to move forward with the project. So it became almost impossible for us to participate in the pooled financing And uh, what is unique about the long month city charter that makes it count on against our bonding capacity? Uh, I'll let d y's or answer that if he if he doesn't mind Or or becky Mary and council i'm happy to answer that i'm becky doile assistant director of business services in public works and natural resources uh, the long month Charter has a requirement that we Go to the voters for all issuance of debt of Enterprises under taber do not out in deep. Do I see d's in here now so he can jump in where I'm wrong But um, taber enterprises generally do not have that requirement. So that's something that's unique to long month Um, and we would need to get voter approval to increase our our bond authority to cover that Step up provision if we wanted to participate in the pooled finance Thank you Do you have anything to add? Now becky spot on it's just the charter requirement for an election And it would be a challenge for us to figure out how big an election to have if you have to step up for others I think I think the other good news for the long month is our, um, bonding Rate is also very competitive with Other entities and I'm uh, I know uh, jim golden and d and folks and jim ben Arab done an excellent job over the years of Of keeping long month in a very competitive position such that we get very favorable Bond rates when we go to the market as well as a city I get dr. Waters Ken and and or dale um the the 36 billion dollars Uh Authorized by the voters to the sale of bonds What percentage of the total cost of this project was that originally intended to cover? I'm actually going to let becky answer that but i'm i'll i'll try the answer at councilmember waters I believe when we went to the bond election Uh, the price per acre foot of the project was such that We believed that the 36 million would be sufficient for up to 10,000 acre feet of participation in the project and as you know Uh, we we had some fairly significant increases in in the project, uh, costs Uh over the last year or so Um, and and that's what has now arrived us back to Um, uh the point where we're where we are today I think the key difference going forward from now though is that we have uh the contract in place And we also have some very healthy contingencies. And so, um, I don't believe we're in the same position as we were When we went for that bond election So so one related question and I and I don't want to go back and debate the whole set of issues around 6,000 to 8,000 to 10,000 but dale you're uh Your original presentation of the council The estimate I see tonight it was 6,300 As I recall at the time you made that presentation was 6,000 And then you know the council at that time went to tan the southern council went to eight Um, is there anything in your calculus? apparently You now are estimating that the That the requirement would be 63 versus 6,000 Uh, if we were just coming at this To get to the at least to the minimum we would need Um, so what would be the if you if you scale it back to 6,300 What would that cost me? I I assume you've done that That estimate we have I'll let becky answer that question. But before Becky goes through that one thing um One thing I will also say is that Um and actually councilman waters You made this point very clear I believe about a year ago And I do remember it We need to be very careful to participate at a level that we can afford And one that does not put the balance of the utility and jeopardy And one that does not further increase the rates on our customers And so we certainly agree with that that is part of what we were looking at And that is part of the Calculus if you will That went into the decision-making process to arrive at the 7500 acre foot level You know the last thing I wanted to do similar to you was to have another debate about Participation level in the project The difference now though is that um You the water board is unanimous in the staff recommendation of lowering our participation level down to 7500 Again, so as to not jeopardize the balance of the capital needs within the overall utility In line with that line of thinking Build what you can afford And for gosh sakes Hope that that is enough to meet your needs And in this case, it's both. It's what we can afford We believe it will meet our needs We believe we will have a little bit of cushion But becky you can also respond on what the 6,300 acre foot cost would be So Mayor and councilmember waters the uh cost for 6300 acre foot at the current current per acre foot cost is approximately 47 million dollars So 55 million at 8,051 million at 7,540 40 you say 40 48 million 47 million at 6,300. Yeah all right and Dale just for the just Just to clear my head There's nothing in in your your estimates um, what I heard you say is the 63 the 7,500 is um Exceeds the minimum requirement with some cushion. I think was what I heard you say All right, um, I do want to acknowledge that the water board and the staff Now are offering the same recommendation, which was not the case before and I I think that's a good thing I appreciate the fact that you've come to they've come together with the staff on that recommendation And I'll leave it at that. Thanks councilmember martin Yeah, just just to get all of the parameters on the table um Because I was at the water board meeting where they um made this decision and and I kind of reluctantly concur with it. Um, although uh At the tutelage of the water board for the past two and a half years I've kind of liked the idea of having water access assets assets in reserve um, which wasn't high on my priorities list originally when I came into office but um uh Speaking of cushions um What is the assumption on the amount of water conservation or the rate of water conservation? That is done by the water users of the city In that build out requirements estimate. I mean is that um assuming the current level of usage is that a uh, uh, assuming a rate of conservation and decline in water usage or you know, where does that estimate? Where is that projection fit? Mayor and councilmember martin the current projections anticipate, uh 10 water conservation savings At time of build out that's both savings of where we are with our water now as well as future water use, you know New growth will consume 10% less water It it anticipates that yes And there's there's been a historic preference precedent for that in the sense that we've been achieving that for a while Absolutely the city has been certainly on that that track and um Um And and and I believe it will continue because I believe um Certainly we're all coming to a clear understanding that we're living in the arid west And then on top of that that we have climate change coming at us. And I think every responsible um member of the community is looking at that and uh Trying to figure out how to reduce their water is where they can and and we want to be part of that We want um to be actively working with customers to reduce the water demand where we can Thank you. All right council member beck um Can we make motions now? I think we can So I move that we direct staff to accept the water boards recommendation of uh, A 7500 acre feet participation level second All right, that's going to be going down from 8,000. Correct. Correct. All right. I don't see anybody else I'm going to be voting against it only because I uh sit in on a lot of these Meetings with prpa Was on the anyway, I'm not going to debate it. I just think that uh waters the currency of the future and I think we can we can control it. We can protect it. But anyway, let's go ahead and vote all in favor say aye All right. Hi I'll oppose say nay nay All right, the motion passes six to one with mayor bagney dissenting Uh, thank you. My mayor bagney and council and as kid mentioned, uh, we're going to keep pushing this uh project forward And uh with any lock wheel will have an allotment contract in front of you As essentially as early as september. Thank you again for your time and uh your support All right, great. Let's go ahead and would you guys mind if we take a five minute break? It's been two and a half hours and Maybe our backs and our bladders would appreciate a little bit of a break So all right back in five guys head and get on to discussion Discussing the options regarding sleeper vehicles parked on public property Good evening, uh mayor bagney and council members. I will be leading us through a um presentation, uh that was put together by our swaps team safe and welcoming places team Uh in that team tonight presenting representing that team tonight is myself at the bergol mendoza Project coordinator for community services. Jeff sadder deputy public safety chief Nathan schultz uh from code enforcement tim whole Assistant to the attorney. We've also invited um Joseph zanovich from hope uh for long month to provide any Answers to any questions around um Safe lots as well and of course karen roney community services director Don if you wouldn't mind um starting the power point base So my goal tonight is just to go through this uh as quickly as we possibly can so we can ensure enough time for conversation and discussion with uh council members Uh, so don you go to the next slide? So the swaps team is uh really a Cross divisional cross department team that is looking at how we ensure Safety and make sure that our public places are welcoming This is just a list of the of the members on that team. Next slide You know as mentioned in the council communication We've seen uh continued growth of rvs on and campers on public streets Nathan put together This information around what code has been seeing as far as rv abandonment cases and he you can compare 2019 to 2020 january through june Next slide And these are also cases that public safety has received Uh in 2019 and 2020 They're very similar. You can see there's some peaks and there is some Valleys in the amount, but they continue to see cases coming in And then there was a drop-off in in the winter as far as far as cases received and But there's increased over the summer as well next slide Now this is some data that came from our Safe lot task force our data team when we instituted the The survey one two three data that I showed to you in february We did this we were planning to do this through the end of march, but due to COVID we did it through mid-march, but you can see the numbers we had 42 RVs operating A little over 10 or 12 that were not operating we see some of the numbers you see also A gis map of where those contacts were Next slide And then here are some examples that were provided by public safety and code enforcement of just some of the issues That we've experienced You can keep going done So here's some more examples of trash and inoperable RVs that are In our in our summer in our open spaces parking lots next slide and of course some of the issues of leaking fluids into the city storm drains That is that happened where they're parked next slide Some more examples of that Next slide and then just some more examples of trash being Left or that piles up next to them and blocks sidewalks next slide And here's an example of Again more trash but example of the of creating a makeshift living room On the city streets And finally here's an example of a little more dangerous situation as you can see there are prone paying tax in this RV Which of course can cause Hazardous conditions So those are just some examples that you can go the next slide Um, here's some of the costs. Uh, these are not I've got total but just want to share. So the RV cleaning cost This is not the towing from the street or storage is just what it costs. Um To clean out some RVs you can see in 2019 Uh, we spent 17 000 in just cleaning costs and so far in 2020 we're already at 19 000 Um, and then you can see on the next side A little more of a table of what an average total cost per RV is around 33305 Um 18 RVs were towed between march and december 2019 and 17 Have been towed between january and june of 2020. So those costs tend to accumulate Um, and I know that they've thought that um, We have allocated some more funding to disposal as well Jeff can can talk to that later next slide And currently we still have Six that need to be cleaned and that is at the storage lot and eight remaining in the stores Which were towed between april 2017 october 2018 And four more that they're still need to be towed to salvage So next slide So, uh, you know, there are some options for parking in RV In longmont and then some further from longmont. This is the country would in an RV park that's on 1550 main street This is this is their website and it shows you kind of what its amenities are But also it's cost and that's something to to point out that these these are cost prohibitive depending on the size of the RV Um, you can see there's some of the some of the rates both weekly and monthly uh, next slide And then the next closest one that um, we've we could find was johnson's partner Um, and here's it is less expensive Um, they do have some other restrictions on how old the RV could it needs to be Um, I think our team could answer some questions around that Uh, but just wanted to give an give some examples of options that that uh folks who are living in RVs can can Um Could find as far as part more permanent parking next slide And so this is what we're we're rec what the swaps team is recommending staff Or staff is asking council for direction around the recommendations uh To eliminate the allowance, uh To move sleeper vehicles parked on five street every 48 hours Uh, and relocated different areas defined in the current ordinance instead We Swaps is recommended all sleeper vehicles be prohibited from parking on public property Including any portion of highway street alley or the or other right-of-way With some exceptions. So for example active loading and unloading Um, as you can read there, which means the period of time in which a person or person is physically engaged in actually in the labor of Of or unloading from an apartment, etc And finding to modify the current code sections that allows individual apply for permanent for a permit for time limited parking on public property Um, so this is just part of the recommendations. We depending on direction from council. We can bring more detail recommendations back Next slide So one of the things that just the last thing you want to share is that we did um, the swaps team We looked at this did look at other cities um, and We did talk to lakewood. They recently passed um in our a stricter rv Ordinance and you can read what they would what they what they said and basically it really um Helps with the enforcement and it helped You know clean up the streets in the city of lakewood So I think that's the last slide and um To open up for discussions and questions. Like I said, we have a team here that can answer questions for the council councilman martin Thank you. Alberto. Um Uh You said that there were 42 uh operating functional rvs that were counted in 2019 is that correct? So councilman Mayor bagley councilman that that number came from the survey one two three f that happened between January 27th and march 19th of this year Ah, even better. Thank you. Um, and uh, you showed some pictures of interiors of rvs that were pretty trashed and um, people obviously occupied rvs that had a lot of stuff On the sidewalk Where do you have any understanding of whether those photos were? um Of from occupied operating rvs or from Or from occupied uh non operational rvs So I will let nathan or or deputy chief uh setter respond to that Sure Go ahead. David. Yeah, so I'm Nathan Schiltz with long on code enforcement. Good evening mayor and council members Um, I was going to put together some of those photos. They were not all mine But they did mostly come from our code enforcement division if we don't necessarily keep track of jumped by by code jumped motor vehicles that are also Um associated with the transient population But I can say that the majority of those if not all of those photos that you saw were Occupied rvs or rvs that as a result of this continuing problem were left in city parks and were And then did contain those hazardous materials like the propane tanks and car batteries So that's that's a pretty common scene among the ones that are occupied. Um, definitely Okay Or non operating or both Uh, most of them were operated. Uh, as an example in 2019 we tagged 170 the police department did uh Nathan and his team also in code enforcement tagged a lot of rvs but in uh 2019 we tagged 170 rvs One of them we tagged 11 times as it moved around the city and they just they keep moving we go there we find them they tag them and they move them Uh, and that that's a common theme with our current ordinance So many of them are operable. You saw in one of those pictures. It did not have an engine That individual is well known in our community. He buys an rv. He removes the engine and then he pulls it around with a car Uh, so as long as they're moving it that 600 feet We don't get a tow it Till they break down and then we tow them Yeah, thank you. Okay. Um And under what circumstance Does this is this does the city become responsible for cleaning out These vehicles. I mean i'm i'm pretty sure you don't clean them out and then give them back to the person that was living in it Know the procedure on slide Uh 13 kind of outlines the process but Whoever tows it the police or code. We tow it to a storage lot At that point over the next 30 to 45 days We have a person that works on getting title for that rv At any point during that time the owner of that rv can claim the rv They just have to pay the impound fee but the first tow is 245 dollars Then we pay 15 dollars a day for storage Once we have title that 30 to 45 days once we have title we contract with a cleaning company They come in and they remove all the black water tanks the gray water tanks Cabinets things like that all the debris inside all the hazardous materials the needles One rv was packed. It took two full dumpsters once it's cleaned then it gets loaded on a Flatbed sometimes they can take up to two or three depending on the size We pay 275 dollars an hour to transport it to really where it gets shredded And we got to pay That's why the cost Ranged from anywhere from 2,500 to 3,500 dollars per rv But the city is paying for for that because I'm aware of one rv that got claimed for the most part Nobody has come to the police department and has to claim their vehicle Okay, so it has to be has to be clean in order to be destroyed Yes Yeah, the the salvage yard won't take it with black water tanks. We have to drain the oil I mean, there's all kind it's a it's an environmental health hazard I mean that's part of the problem. These things are full of human waste in their black water tanks The gray water tanks not to mention the oil So we got to get rid of all that stuff and and it's very expensive. Unfortunately I understand the so the last question is that both Tonight we heard from Two people who were living in rvs that Thought that it was a decent good way to live and they wanted to continue doing it And I've talked to some different ones in the past that we didn't hear from tonight who are also consider these rvs to be home and So do we have We don't have any photos of rvs that are occupied by those people I guess Because I you know, they will hear if they share their story they will say I you know, I have a job here. I have family here I have two sons who live with me in the rv and um one's going to school and One has a job So what about people who are uh have ties to longmont and just want to live in an rv? um I I don't I don't see those in the examples that have been presented tonight, but we've heard from them before I'm sure uh, we have tagged those vehicles and asked them to move on um, and and it's a matter of time for some individuals as the rvs eventually break down and and we We we end up towing them, but uh, that that's the unfortunate part of this is we we have people that are not impacting neighborhoods Not impacting business areas not trashing Our parks not trashing the right of ways Uh, and they and you don't see them in there They move around town and they they mind their business and hopefully they're dumping their human waste But with 170 of these vehicles, uh, that we tagged and moved around last year um I'm sure some of those people may have got a tag and asked to move on The problem is there's it's very difficult to come up with a way of allowing somebody to live within a rv and And then have someone else that's trashing a neighborhood and draining their septic and draining their fluid into the storm drains um It's really hard to distinguish between the two with it's kind of an all or none thing and I'll all throw out sewage And you know, we every community member in this this town had Has sewage to their house has uh, we have a city code About use of public sewer is required It says the owner of any house building property used for human occupancy Employment commercial enterprise recreation or other purpose situated within the service area um is required To have public sanitary sewer as required at the owner's expense And so we have individuals in this town Parking that do not have they're living in those Those locations without proper connections to sanitation, which is why these rv parks Are are costly because they have to put in those kind of services for their their guests or the people that are renting those services And it's very expensive. I think A joe could talk about this, but when they did their safe lot steady Um, they were estimating it was going to cost 149 to 280 thousand just to kind of outfit a lot To accommodate the rv and the sanitation needs for these individuals and and every individual Has a sanitation need every day And without water and without electricity to run the pumps uh, there's There's other things that we find in these rvs that is just not sanitary and and you know, one of the reasons disease went away in our world is because of sanitation Hey, jeff. I want to kind of I think I think part of that the answer to the question and what I've learned from this and I think ellie burto and joseph can talk about it. It's the different dynamics um So if you take a population and then the different components that you have and How many you know, we can be successful with or are willing to go into Coordinated entry and try to move into that housing world. I think that's part of the discussion too ellie burto joseph. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? Um, I have a couple clarifying questions for I had sorry. I came with a list. I was channeling dr. Waters here um but uh two clarifying questions one is Of those 173. I think you said it was that you tagged in a period 170 um were those unique vehicles or unique tagging instances No, those are Some of them were tagged multiple times. I I kind of sorted through it. One of them was tagged 11 times So I I went through and counted and there was 60 plus unique vehicles And a lot of those were tagged multiple times over the year And there's a lot of unknowns in here that I did not count because they didn't have a tag listed so there's On my list we keep an excel spreadsheet And on my list there's a lot without a tag number They're just listed as unknown. So license vehicles that have a tag. There's 60 plus vehicles in that group Okay, very good. And then the last question is Of the two locks that you can pay to rent For long term, I'm assuming uh 15 50 north main I guess and and one in johnstown Um, and they're expensive. I understand that What's their access to public transportation to where you can get to long months transportation network public transportation network I'm not familiar with johnstown, but it's by the johnson's corner So I don't know if there's bus services out there, but uh 15 50 main is right at Right near 17th of main. There's a bus stop at 17. I think there's a bus stop down at 15th also Okay, thank you Thank you, mayor bagley. Um I I see the rv situation in three different tiers There's the unemployed non residents Who who just wanted to use their rv to camp out and move it wherever they want without any kind of responsibility And they don't really have ties to our community But when I looked at the slides the one that said it looks like we are surrounded By cities that have strict rv regulations that they are Enforcing so who doesn't have them long month So that is where they can come and not be what they would be considered be hassled At this point because our our regulations are fairly lax Um, then there are the ones that are employed who want to live in rvs But they don't want to pay rent. They don't want to pay the utility bills, etc that are associated With having a a structure a permanent structure Um, and I don't think those people should be allowed to park on our streets either I understand that our v-locks are expensive But when you look at that as compared to rent in an apartment or uh paying a mortgage, that's pretty cheap so um I don't think that we should allow them to live on our streets in our uh on our trail heads in our parks Because it is convenient for them It is not convenient for us and I really don't want our police chasing our v's around the city All the time So I think those are two different sets Then there are the people who have to live in an rv Not because they want to but because their living conditions have changed Either because uh rent has gone up. They've been evicted. They lost their job So they lost their living places. Um, and I do want joseph to address this So those are three different To me those are three different categories of people as as herald is often referred to peeling the onion and um The the center core are the people who would like to be in a house in an apartment, but for some reason can't afford it uh, and I would just like to uh uh Refer back to the the gentleman on p itbh Who said that he was parked in front of a person's house who allowed him to park there But he would like to be in a home. He just doesn't have any place to park his rv So, uh, I'm going to make a motion here because I want to discuss this and if we make a motion and we can open up the discussion, um, and, uh Should I have to move to where I wrote it down? So I'm going to move that we direct staff To engage boulder county housing authority The boulder city the boulder county commissioners uh joseph zanovich with safe lots and the boulder county homeless community task force in a discussion to use the boulder county land on alaska avenue as an rv safe lot because we need options for people and the people who want a home need a safe place to park and um so, uh Do I have a second for that to open up the discussion? All right, it's been moved by councilor pack and seconded by councilor christensen. Do we have some discussion on this matter? Mayor, can we have uh joseph zanovich address this and tell us about the safe lots for cars that he has and what he has implemented as far as regulations and how that would What he is seeing an rv? uh rv campers now And what has been happening in the last month? I guess the I guess the the question becomes I I guess the I I personally don't have a problem with it. I guess my question is herald What is joseph zanovich's role tonight as they have a presentation for us? Um, obviously he's here. He's been invited into the room Um, so I guess my question is my understanding was we were waiting to hear back from deputy commander sadder and uh, elli berekham and dosa about Um, you know, so we put hot Go ahead. We we we put together a group of which joseph has been part of the conversations with this in terms of how we're looking at this broader situation And I think part of part of that is some of the information that was given to elli burto and uh, what he said to me in the sense of and joseph if i misspeak tell me but um On the rv issue. I think as we look at coordinated entry and and how we're working on all of that um But 80 Is it fair to say 80 to 90 of the people? Is that an accurate number that I heard from elli burto? In terms of engaging in the rv community generally Engaging in the coordinated entry process. There's not a desire to do that Which kind of gets to the different tiers that we're talking about and then there's 10 percent or 20 percent of of the folks that then are more willing to do that And I think it's that kind of experience that gets into the conversation to understand The different layers of of the challenge that we're facing as a community And so I asked him to talk a little bit about that have him here to answer that All right, so if he's another thing is the only reason I just wanted to make sure that he was invited I mean obviously was invited. I just wanted to make sure that That what I just don't want to get in the habit of council members inviting people And then here I did that then we're good joseph. Why don't you go ahead and take No more than five minutes if you could and just share your thoughts You have to unmute joseph I can't There you go. There we go. All right Yes, I came to cross the party everyone um Council, thank you very much for this opportunity. So yeah I mean we in what elberto has discussed raised a bunch of issues that we currently see Here I'll do you also brought upon some issues that yes, we're seeing so The same flow. Let me just very quickly give an update on that the the same flat program is is full We only have eight spots for that. Um, I could double the size a lot immediately tonight. It'll be full and we'll still waiting less Um, the demand continues to grow for those living in vehicles Prior to covet, I would absolutely agree. We had an 80 20. I would even say maybe even a 75 uh Well, yeah 85 15. I mean it was pretty high percent and we went on outreach We consistently found folks That were hesitant to move into a permanent housing model within the last two weeks I I can definitely say that is starting to shift. Um, I am starting to see folks that have been evicted. I've Live in the last five days two families one adult um living in trailer and rvs that um Are in situations because of what we're you know, what we're all facing right now um That is changing uh drastically the perspective that I had prior to April really. Um, so There is a need to help those folks. Um, especially that are in that position because They didn't choose to live in in those of those rvs or those trailers Um, we're we're helping out um One family right now to get out of that situation. Um trying to make an exception at our safe life Even though we don't take rvs. They are in a situation where we thought we could help them um You know, so I really want to challenge the mode of thinking on this that Pre-covid I would agree with most everything that was said There is a there's a definite shift and I feel like it's only going to get worse with those that have the ability to live in a Trail if they have that as an asset, they're going to be Um, and we're already seeing it. I mean, I have three examples. Um within the last within within this week um With the safe life model You know, we we screen everybody there are very strict codes of conduct Uh, we've kicked we've kicked out five people within the first month and half of this lot Opening we were very strict on safety code of conduct. They follow the rules Um, they're there because they want to get out of there and into a better Better stage of life and that's that's so vital and important I think that when we talk about those in rvs the gentleman who who spoke publicly I mean A safe lot program would help him specifically and there are a number of those folks in the city Um, obviously the big intention is those that you know, if we talk about housing first, this doesn't Qualifying the federal uh definition of what you know housing is but to many folks This is what they can afford. This is all they this is this is as far as they can go In a housing model and to many they've made this theorem. They've invested in these rvs You know and yes code enforcement changed, you know, chases them around. We all know them We all know the ones that live in live in those rvs and for most part those Are the issue the ones that are causing issues. I we are finding the ones that come from out of the area Cause majority of the issues. I mean, so if we're looking at if we want to take care of our own The ones that are paying taxes the ones that are working here You know, there could be a safe model for them Whether it be a cheap plot of land and maybe we get them vouchers to dump at the fairgrounds temporarily But I don't want to see us dump everyone out of here because we have we have residents here that They're part of our community And I think that if there's a way to to get them the help that they need You know, we can effectively do that. The safe lot model can work in that regard Obviously, there's a lot of logistic starvies, which is why hope hasn't been able to to deal with that yet But you know, I want us to be cognizant and aware of What's happening with with evictions. We are going to see more people on our streets because of because of the term I think part of that I think the opportunity That we also have now that we didn't have two months ago Is our involvement in Well, where we are with the housing authority and in the work that we're doing with the housing authority right now in terms of The work that we have to do in term Let's just take housing choice vouchers and what we can do to bring real housing opportunities to two individuals that That are willing to move into the coordinated entry program and move through the process And and that's something that we're talking about to go a This is a slightly different conversation, but connected to it How do we maximize the use of our housing choice vouchers that we have? Um and and really work with people because we know that that's work that we have to do and we need to do it very quickly To if we can maximize it, can we actually grow the amount of housing choice vouchers that we have? So there's an interesting opportunity now in the work that we're doing To to really integrate what what we have in the housing authority model Into this into this conversation I think the challenge for us and and legal will have to speak to this Is is you have this gamut and you have you know the group that They that are coming in from the outside You have others that are just moving around and the neighbors are calling And and then you have a group that's wanting to improve them. So, you know improve their condition And and move into these programs. I don't know If you can unilaterally create a program that can make those exceptions because we have to treat everyone the same and I think Inherently I'm going to look at Karen and Ellie Bertha. That's the challenge. Is that correct Karen I mean, yeah turn on in community services. So so Yeah, I mean we what we really are trying to um What we're trying to Folks at Joseph is trying to help through the program It's my computer. So um So that You know, what we really are trying to are hoping to do is to connect up with folks that are in situation where Temporary lost their housing or they're really looking for a stable place to um to decide That's really what we are trying to do up Through coordinating entries, but I think what um Harold talked about with our opportunities for the llama housing authority also with CARES Act funding Coming down By housing assistance So we have a lot of resources at our disposal now that we didn't have pre-covid and So I think our our interest is how do we hook up with the individuals who are who are struggling? um We have a need for this bridge housing work to get folks into Housing Those but generally some of the challenges that we're having are with folks that are not um aren't Really interested in in assistance and at some of the challenges that we're at council members also about But we do have more resources than we've had two months ago help people who are Are really struggling who's ever had lost her housing Are looking for an opportunity Can't hear you at all. I'm sorry So I think what Karen was kind of was also talking about is so when you look at covid connections and you And you see the the resources that are coming into the county and some of these other areas In terms of those folks that have gone through the eviction problem, which it's interesting that They went through an eviction process because I think that's still Not moving through Those aren't moving right now So I'd be interested to understand that a little bit so So the so the only evictions happening right now Harold are ones that are based on behavior Right my understanding So you you can be evicted based on me I don't think I know you can be evicted based on on on back of pavement. That's my understanding. We can get We can get more that's my understanding and the behavior has to be what I've the way I understand it fairly significant Um in terms of actually getting a court case and moving through but we can we can verify that but I think the change condition is There are more resources coming in through the assistance program at the county level being cares funding cares funding in terms of what we have to really Try to house folks and and I think for the first time In our history we have the ability of the housing choice vouchers to match with this to maximize the amount of money that we have So we can give people into housing council repack so I guess my uh reason for bringing this up is that um if we are in fact going to Change the ordinance that absolutely nobody can park on our public streets in campers sleeper trailers Whatever you want to call them then how do we separate the ones who actually have children in school here who have a job here But do not have a home and that is for me the whole point of a safe lot was so that we We actually can give those people a temporary A place to park Become part of the coordinated entry because it is housing first. They're not living in a tent We're not going to be able we're not going to say we have no housing. You have to go back out on the street until it comes up um And I am not talking about long term at all. I am talking about When we get housing available for me, it doesn't matter how many vouchers you have if you don't have a place to use them um And I understand we use them with hotels etc But the other two tiers that I was talking about That basically what i'm going to call travelers who just move around and the people who want to stay in uh In their RVs, but they are employed They do go to work They can find another place to park that in a lot that is um That is equipped to have RVs and yes, it's expensive But as I said no more expensive than renter mortgage um So I guess the question for me is with this whole discussion Are we going to say That no RVs no sleeper trailers No vans where people sleep and live in them 24 7 are going to be allowed on our public streets and if so I feel very strongly that we need to separate those into residents Who really want to improve their situation? um And hopefully we can move them in and out very fast, but we don't know I just before we have a tsunami of people Who are without housing Let's be proactive and think about how we can Face this before it happens to us and help the police out So that is uh, that's the whole point of my discussion I'm going to start calling people but it's my two cents are that I don't I mean I don't really I not only think I know that Our public streets were not built for housing people They bring a whole host of if people are living on our streets even in vehicles That brings a whole host of problems sanitation education law enforcement And I think that's a separate issue than the safe lots, but I believe there's a motion on the table currently That we're going to need to vote on so After that motion I plan if no one else does I'll make a motion to instruct staff to go ahead and prepare an ordinance saying that As the the same ordinance that they They along the lines they presented in tonight's presentation that We do not allow sleeper vehicles except for those instances after mentioned councilman martin Thank you, mayor bagley. Um I Also agree um, and I'll be in agreement with a motion that says we can't have these vehicles parking on our streets because You know, I I'm pretty sure that everybody has learned from the last two years of this experiment That it's completely untenable and we can't do it But I am Concerned in terms of the distinctions that we're making Yeah, we can make the distinction between people who have ties with longmont and people who don't Because we don't need to give a lot of services To people who are just passing through And I'm okay with that And I'm okay with the idea that if you are a permanent resident of longmont That should involve having a sewer So, you know, I'm I'm not okay with people being allowed to park on the street just because they Have a job or family um in longmont And pay taxes in longmont. Maybe that's the criterion. I don't know Because there are people who have um, you know income but not a job and that's that should be okay if longmont is their town um, but I have a problem with Is the idea that we can require that people want to be like us um You know, there are people that want to live in an rv. Just as there are people who want to live in a manufactured home You know, lots of people think that manufactured home parks are an eyesore and um And we ought to get rid of all of them Um, but that isn't right and I'm not sure where on that continuum An rv is if it's an rv that's plugged into a sewer um You know, isn't that okay? Uh, I don't think you should have to be Incoordinated entry and trying to get out of the rv if that's what you think of as your home um so Uh, I just wanted to get that out on the table um, I agree that we need to just to To vote on whether we're going to have this this, uh Meeting this uh Of consortium of people who have some expertise in this situation and Hash it out, but I just I just wanted to get the message out that I am not comfortable With telling people how to how they live their lives and what their house should look like um As long as they meet this this basic public health needs of of Having a sewer and not infringing on somebody else's property rights and leaving trash all over the public right of ways but uh I don't think we should tell we should have everybody wanting to aspire to a house an apartment if that's not the way they want to live their life Nelson or christianson I completely agree the gypsy in my soul says people ought to be able to live how they want but the reality is You know this this leaves uh Before we had sanitary sewer systems. We had huge plagues of cholera. I don't want the police to have to be Endangered by having to clean these things out. That's not their job at all and people need to be educated about the need for Public sanitation and Basic rules like that and uh, I know you're not talking about that. I I agree with you though. I really do um and I do think this task force will be a good idea because We need to have further discussions. I would like however to bring up two points that um have not been brought up uh The basic thing that we're trying to solve is people who are living In their vehicle on the streets That is not the only kind of an rv. I mean that is not the only situation with rv's parking on the streets um and also one of our constituents uh brought up the problem that um At various parks the public the the parks are being filled with rvs and the daytime People leave the generators on which makes a huge racket. They take up all kinds of space in the parking Which is already pretty small And nobody can use the parks and and the people adjacent to this have to keep their windows closed because the generators make so much noise and So There's also a problem of them parking in parks And taking up all the space in the park and not even being there. They leave at night So that's another problem, but um and I I have Mentioned this problem before when we talked about this and it has to do With this this entire ordinance which has to do with people parking on the streets My neighborhood is full of contractors and they have contractor vans now according to This ordinance as it stands a sleeper vehicle can be A camper coach a camper trailer a motor home a multi-purpose trailer or a trailer coach or a Travel oh no a camper coach That includes most Um, I believe it includes most, um construction vehicles that For instance, there's a guy in my neighborhood Who has a um I don't know what it's classified as he's not living in it. Nobody's living in it But he needs to have this Uh at his home and most of these construction guys do because they he has wood in it He has a table saw in it. He needs to take it to the job site He doesn't have a place to put it right now I don't mind it being on the street. It's fine. It's not like a giant cam RV But by this law as it stands right now He wouldn't be allowed to keep it there more than 48 hours at a time I really think we need to distinguish between people who are living on the streets In their RVs and people who are not people who just have an RV They drag it out for a couple of days to clean it off and put it, you know then they put it somewhere else but They shouldn't have to come down and get a permit to drag it out right now They don't have to they can just take it out have it there for a couple of days to clean it out one, you know Pack it up and then clean it out when they come back We're not distinguishing between people who have RVs and just use them actually as RVs and people who have Construction trailers which by this is classified as a sleeper trailer I mean by the current law we need to actually have that discussion too Which has to do with what I was talking about earlier with cars being Only allowed to park on the street in the same place for 48 hours anyway, so I want us to distinguish between people living in RVs on the street and just RVs that are used for as actual RVs a couple of weeks out of the year and RVs that are used for construction trailers Thanks All right, so we're going to go uh councilmember waters and then after councilmember waters I'm gonna regardless what actually let's go with you and then and then no hands quite yet. Dr. Waters go ahead Yeah, I'm not um, I don't think we're actually debating the motion. That's what I was going to say but go ahead So So how would you you want to? Vote on that motion. I have I have something to say Yeah, no, no, no, so if we have so what I want to do is handle the motion that's currently on the table and uh councilmember peck made a motion councilmember christianson seconded about specifically making a safe lots Down on alasta avenue Um, let me speak to one part of that motion. Go ahead. All right um if What I heard sounded very kind of involved But I understand it's to get use of county land. I mean, there's a lot of stakeholders in in that decision Um, if if if the motion was to to figure out how to either uh acquire or utilize through some arrangement That property or some property for people who Are are living in rvs Because they um don't have an option They're registered with coordinated entry and want to get into to more permanent housing. I would support that motion If that motion was generally a place for people to just get off the street I'm not going to support that motion. So I it would be helpful to have that clarified You want to uh, do you want to make an amendment to that motion? I would accept that Well, then I would then I would uh, the offer this amendment that that if In giving that direction Uh, a site would be utilized To provide an option for longmont residents living in rvs not by choice But by circumstance Registered with coordinated entry aspiring to get into more affordable housing or more permanent housing accept that I guess, uh, I guess I guess my question is simply, um, we were going to hear about I thought that I thought the police department and city staff was going to bring back some more information on whether or not this is going to work and so, uh Here we are about ready to vote on it and uh, the location down by alaska avenue. I don't know if there's any residents down there but, um Where are we at on that herald? So I think part of it is and I like karen jump in part of it's the work that joseph's doing but karen jump on in So mayor counsel, can you hear me now? Your buds, is that better? Yeah So So so obviously we we brought this back, uh as a recommendation from, um, council and wanted to bring back the rv board so, um, that's really what we did council that with all of the work that we All of the work. I don't know what else to do with all the work that we were doing with, um covid that we were behind and um, you know in really Ammoning the What it would cost in terms of a lot. We also wanted to have um Hope have some experience under their belts with their their safety law today established Just established that in, um We don't have a we don't have a lot of So ellie burto do you want to take it? Yeah, so, um Can you all can you hear me? Yeah So karen's computer Yeah, karen has had several wise, um So I think yes, we were wanting to see um Kind of the, um how, um hopes Safe lot, um Experiment would go they have a month under the belt joseph actually Sent me a report and he can speak to his outcomes, but it is pretty early. We've not And they won't even be doing it for a month. I'm not sure that they housed anyone at this point Um, I know that some have been have received access to some services um So that that's that's the way I'm and you know in the in the console calm I did talk to mountain view california Um, and they actually have an rv lot and and there is some information Around their costs and what what they did as well um for their their safety that accepts rvs so, um Karen's gonna we're gonna switch here to my mask on Sorry The other thing that I was gonna say is that It is that we are also, um, you know working on The whole idea of a bridge housing and um, and so that is something that our housing exit group with With homeless solutions or county is is is working on we have local funding that we have set aside for Um, you know for bridge housing for temporary housing. We also have Um, again resources that have come into the the county and we're looking at being able to use those rapid rehousing dollars for for bridge housing so We just because of covet and all the work that we had to do with that We just didn't progress as a task force as fast as I think some of the council members wanted us to do and we apologize for that Um, but but we wanted to have more time with a safe lot pilot and see where that um that led us and we also wanted to continue to work on Repurposing money rapid rehousing money bridge housing So to really bring back to council today, we would you know, here's how much it would cost to establish Say a lot for rvs as compared to here's what it would cost for us to master lease Um units for people to be able to move into bridge housing rather than living in their vehicles in a So we were behind on that because of covet and um, and but we brought back what we had in terms of the rv ordinance right councilman waters We just say that if the week if karen's point is You can spend a dollar on bridge housing or a dollar on the investment in an rv safe lot I would spend a dollar the first dollar in every dollar on bridge housing That's one of the other number one my point was that um, i'm sympathetic to To longmont residents who are in rvs by circumstance If they're in an rv by choice My i wouldn't say you got to live like me But i would say if you live like me you are going to pay property taxes, which you don't pay in In an rv You are going to have to resolve disputes with your neighbors if you have them Which you don't have to do in an rv. You can drive away. I mean there's To live like somebody who's going to you know Burden themselves with the mortgage and all the rest of it. There are consequences Different consequences if you don't we make our choices And I don't get to be held harmless for the choices I make And I don't think the city ought to be obligated to hold Folks harmless for the choices they make if they chose to live in rvs We're all adults and I understand if you're adult with kids And you're in this by circumstance the circumstance that that calls for a different remedy um But I just want to be clear if we're if if we're looking for a way to address families in circumstance, let me get but in a circumstance I want to do whatever we can whether it's council member pex proposal or Or not, but to use those dollars to do something else But the other tiers that I think that was a good way to lay it out council in fact council woman fact The the travelers or just the folks by choice who are you know living in a long line I don't think that we need to go to extraordinary lengths to accommodate them I don't want police chasing them around. I don't think the neighborhoods ought to have to To manage that as well personally, but the third category We need to get creative about or or for and innovate and make highest investment use of whatever the resources are It's all stuff. Can I answer council member or mayor bagley's question? Go ahead so the the estimate that they used in Creating a facility and again, this is a rough estimate um Actually, let me take you back to california. So the one that they did find um, the city invested a hundred thousand dollars to upgrade a site for A safe lot did not include restrooms and other facilities on it um They had to put lighting electricity other other components into it um And they contracted with a faith based nonprofit. The original contract it appeared was 220,000 um, and the information that they provided to elli berta said that um That the next proposed budget web from the nonprofit partner would be closer to to 300 000 to operate that facility um annual basis correct elli berta That is correct. That's what they told me. That's an annual expense um based on what they're doing um, when we research providing restroom facilities and the rv lot the rough estimate on that cost was 275 to 300 000 of Essentially capital cost to do it. So you see how they built a lot Didn't put other amenities into it. They were on the lower end of a hundred thousand You provide more amenities into it. You then get into the The the upper end of the construction cost and then the ongoing operational cost I think would vary depending on the group and and how they Were staffed and you utilize volunteers My estimate would probably be based on what You know, I've seen from them 150 to 300 000 annually based on other operations But I think that's the answers you were looking for. Yeah, mayor pretend Thank you, mayor bagley as far as the specific motion on the table I Am in disagreement and will not be supporting the motion as I think that there should be a generalized facility provided as far as The city should be involved in the sense that if there's assistance needed for people that are looking to get into housing Or they cannot quite afford say a full cost of staying at the RV park on main street, for instance, that there might be some assistance there as well as similar that we provide to Folks in our community who are in, you know permanent housing but still need assistance for Living costs, so I think that that would be necessary Not a safe lot in the capital S sense, but a secured place where people can feel safe being But I do feel that penalizing folks that do choose to have their lifestyle of living in a In a RV or something similar is not the right Right method to go forward either And that's why I can't support the motion on the table and as I've told constituents who I've talked to you about this issue in general I am happy to support making the ordinance more strict Once we have an alternative for folks or once we have exhausted all of our possibilities of having such an alternative So I can't support the making the ordinance more strict until we have something Tangible on our plate to provide that alternative for folks So that's where I'll be as far as this motion and in general and generally what the subject is talking about All right. Well, the motion currently on the table is are we going to make a safe lot down there on Alaska Avenue? specifically for folks who have shown Shown that they are looking or moving towards some type of permanence based on council member waters amendment Uh and that count that motion was made by councilor peck and was seconded by councilor christensen friendly amendment by Dr. Waters, that's the motion that's currently on the table. So let's go ahead councilor martin Uh, I just want to say that wasn't quite how I understood the motion. I think councilwoman peck wanted to uh Bring together people to put together a specific plan for doing that not Are we going to do it? Is that correct council member? Exactly. It's nothing more than a discussion Uh, this is this is county land that is in the city of longmont. There are no nimby issues at all It's right behind the cement plant on, uh Alaska avenue behind isaac walton. It is a dead end street and boulder county housing authority Their vision is to supply housing within the county. There are buildings there that possibly have bathrooms in it. I've already talked to the commissioners about this for four years. All I want Is to get a group of people together To discuss the possibility and what it would take. Would it really be that expensive if we use You know the fairgrounds dumping station if the buildings have a bathroom if Let's have a discussion That isn't going to hurt anything To discuss what we could possibly do moving forward. So i'm going to call the question All right, we'll we have to all right councilmember martin Oh, I just I don't know do you second calling the question? um no I I concur with Uh councilwoman pat that we should vote on All right, let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and uh question has been called. It's been seconded not debatable One favor taking a vote say aye Aye aye opposed say nay All right motion carries unanimously. We're going to go ahead and vote. Let's go ahead and restate this Sounds like the motion then Is one that we are directing staff to uh Can form a I don't want to use the word task force that but to form a committee Made up of staff to go ahead and look into the possibility specifically the costs The time frame process etc in order to create a safe lot Down on county owned land located on or about this particular area on lask avenue And with the understanding that it would be used for those folks Who are from long mark looking to move towards permanency in their housing situation Other than living on the street Thank you. Okay All in favor say aye Okay, opposed say nay Hey, nay So the motion carries four to three with myself Uh mayor pro tem rodriguez and councilman martin opposed So you have your direction harrell? Dr. Waters that hasn't addressed everything in this I'm sorry. Can I no go ahead make a motion if you want to I'm going to move that they that we that we also direct staff To bring back changes in the ordinance reflecting staff recommendations understanding this In the in time with this conversation that we just approved I'll second I'll second that But can I just clarify the motion that basically what we the motion is that we direct staff to follow through on their recommendations pertaining to the prohibition of sleeper vehicles on the streets with the uh with the uh With the exception of the the things listed in the previous slides That there are some exceptions. They presented to us tonight. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Loading and unloading and whatnot. Correct Councilor peck, let's just go councilor peck Councilor redock offering the councilor questions I would like to add uh an amendment to that that in the uh part in uh I I can't bring it up, but it is basically saying that they can't park on public streets. I would like to add um Any public property for example trailheads um city parks um That they cannot use those spaces for places. Um, so it would be any public property not just streets and um, does anybody Agree with that because we've had uh We've had emails from people saying that You know, they park in the the parking lots of city parks And sit there all day or all night I'll just accept that amendment Thank you. Yes So uh councilor christensen I thought susie was first. Oh, sorry susie. Yep. You are first. Um, you know, I guess I I am not comfortable accepting any kind of um, you know read just Any of these Um allowances or eliminating the allowances Unless we have some kind of alternative option presented as well So, you know, I won't be supporting moving forward with this I mean, I I'm okay with hearing what the recommendations are I guess or going more in depth But I I want to know what what other options there are for for individuals What kinds of solutions could we come up with first? Councilor christensen Um, would you please read that? what uh Councilman waters said I'm unclear what the what we're voting on but I would like us to clarify the situation for contractors because Right now it isn't clear for contractors and we don't want to cut down on anybody who's trying to earn a living Being able to earn a living. I my neighborhood's full of contractors And I am very supportive of them. They're good guys So the current motion on the table is To to adopt staff to direct staff to prepare an ordinance Following through and staff's recommendation this evening that was in the slides that basically is prohibiting sleeper vehicles With the exceptions provided by staff Um, those exceptions specifically were herald helped me out. You had the uh loading and unloading It sounds like uh councilmember christensen. Was there was there an exception in there for for work work vehicles We'll have to work with the attorney's office to make sure that we carve it so you don't have an unintended consequence of Work vehicles and those types of things Because I think really what we're talking about here is just making sure that people aren't sleeping on the streets And there are v's and then listing exceptions in ordinance that would Basically allow for us to allow for the situations that you mentioned councilmember christensen And those listed in the ordinance councilman martin Yeah, I just think the language that you're looking for is that if it's a vehicle that's a you know Its form factor would have allowed it to be a sleeper vehicle, but it's not fitted out as a sleeper vehicle It's at it's for tools and lumber and stuff Then it doesn't count. You know my computer went all wigwaggy. Anyway, uh Mayor platoon rogery is Thank you, mayor bagley. Uh, just to kind of reiterate Uh, I will be voting against this motion because I don't feel that we're far enough along for an alternative site That we were talking about and so bringing this ordinance and making it more strict before we have an alternative site would Kind of make the efforts towards the alternative site seem less effective to me Um, well, but I would like to state that When I feel it would be appropriate I do agree with the recommendations that steff has brought forward once an alternative site is in play So I feel like the the recommendations where we're spot on I just don't think we're there yet as far as being ready to to make that that leap I'm uh, I don't see any hands up. I guess I'd say that I don't view these issues I mean, they're like cousins, but they're not they're not I think going hand in hand Right now, we've got a real issue with people on the streets Even jupy commander saturday. You see i'm just subconsciously nodding his head We've got a real issue here and uh, those people who are living in the art in their rvs on our streets by definition Are not residents of long mod. They are they don't pay property taxes. They're not living in in homes We don't know uh, they're they're it's a problem Now um in the in the motion that we provided earlier that we're going to be looking into is not about just a willy nilly rv lot For people who don't want to live in houses. There's specifically long long south The motion that passed was they're going to be long mod residents who were working towards permanent home Homes in long mod. So I I don't view these as is As having to move forward together. I think that it's a good idea to get rvs off the streets um, it's more sanitary it uh, it's healthier for our community and at the same time we can then Focus on getting a safe lots that will I think meet the criteria that we've already established councilman martin Then I think thank you mayor bagley. I think we need to to include in in the no parking ordinance Some kind of an interim solution where uh for Yeah, four months six months something like that. We um Come up with an arrangement where you can put the housing use the housing choice vouchers on the place in places in place in north main where you can have uh, uh, you know Dumping tokens or something that you can use at the at the fairgrounds. Um at one time Joni marsh was going to look at uh negotiating Uh rental of some places at the fairgrounds At certain times and I just I understand that none of those are good solutions What I'm trying to avoid is people who have been Relying on that if I move my car every 48 hours and don't put the fairgrounds and don't put trash on the streets Then I'm considered a good citizen now. We're trying to say Yeah, you can have been abiding by all of those laws And you have a job and you pay sales taxes And you pay personal property taxes and keep your vehicle tagged and in good repair And we're still kicking you out of town And I just think we should have some kind of an interim solution So we don't kick those people out of town because what we're doing is You know, we're we're essentially saying yeah, you were a good longmont resident And now you're not anymore because some other people abused the privilege I just can't get down with that Dr. Waters Thanks very vaguely So it sounds to me Like there are council members who would like to move That we direct staff to come back with a proposal to spend A 300 000 dollars or more or whatever that number was Uh to to to construct Whatever to provide whatever the infrastructure is lighting showers Uh, uh sanitation system um In that we would that would precede Anything else that we would allow what we've just seen tonight to continue on the streets Putting our police officers in a position to chase it down Paying for the cleanup, etc And I just have to say for me that makes no sense your point mayor vaguely about these being cousins Not not tied to one another Um, I mean, I don't I don't there is no proposal on the table to do what I think I've heard mayor pro tem suggest happen There's no there's no proposal to build a facility. So Given that we would have an ordinance that goes on indefinitely Until there's until there's that proposal and it's and it's completed in the meantime We put code enforcement law enforcement in in the neighborhoods in in untenable situations. It seems to me Um, I think we ought to be clear on it. Um, if somebody wants to propose that we build out Uh a facility for others for for rb residents other than those Who are in them by circumstance Who are registered with coordinated entry and who aspire to permanent housing and I'm not going to support that but it Because that's not the way I think we ought to use our affordable housing dollars But if that's if that's the proposal somebody ought to make it Otherwise, I think we have an obligation to the rest of the community to deal with this councilman martin I I don't think you you're right. They are cousins Councilman martin, it's so it's 11 o'clock. I'm not just going to end the meeting somebody I'm going to move that we extend the meeting But I am going to ask that we hurry the end of the rest of the meeting along because We've been here a while and I for one Want to go to bed and sure Sure, and I'll I'll second your motion to extend the meeting all in all in favor extending the meeting say I I I Opposed say nay. All right. The motion carries unanimously councilman martin so What I what I wanted to say was that we don't necessarily have to build a really expensive rb rb safe lot ever What I would like to have is a three to six month interim solution for people who are living in rbs responsibly now um To be able to survive until they can make plans and they know what to do So, uh, you know, we I don't want to kick them out of town and they can't get to their jobs And they don't have any option of doing something else Let's just You know Even we've even given them a chance To even if if what what happens is eventually they do have to leave longmont At least we've given them some warning longer than the than the month it takes for an ordinance to go into effect I think that we should be at least that compassionate councilor beck I agree with you councilwoman martin and that could be a separate motion That the initiation date of this ordinance is and in the meantime There are some ways we can, uh, educate using the police With educating all of these contacts that they make in rbs Give them the ordinance give them a timeline. Tell them what it's how it's going to change Um, that's a separate, uh motion. So let's vote on this one. And then if you want to make that as far as when we're going to actually Incorporate this ordinance That would be a good idea. I think Yeah, okay, that's a All right, so we can we can we can address that motion in a second But right now there's a motion on the table that we're going to go ahead and adopt staff's recommendations And they're telling i'm sorry direct staff that they go ahead and prepare an ordinance Um, based on tonight's presentation. So all in favor say aye aye aye Opposed say nay Nay Say that again. I was in a I was an eye All right, raise your hand if you okay, let's do that again. Raise your hand if you're an eye All right, raise your hand if you're an a Okay, the motion carries four to three with council members waters martin peck and myself four and uh, the three other council members against Councilman martin Thank you. I would like to move that staff Bring back an interim solution of At least three months Where we would provide a way for people who pass Certain criteria such as the state of maintenance of their rv and having an income That's tied to longmont or having family children in school. You guys know a lot albertos nodding. So I think He knows what those conditions are that we care about So that they have some warning before they're totally thrown out of town Um, and that might mean, uh, you know a designated parking place that has no amenities But they get a token that lets them use the fairgrounds Some kind of option like that so that we are not running people out on a rail in in two to four weeks Because they just don't have time to rearrange their lives that way second Harold Yeah, I just wanted to ask if if we would have the latitude to come up with a a broader range of Based on what caron said in terms of some of the COVID funding and that we have available a broader range of options that still is a bridge solution Absolutely Yeah, just that was intended as a minimum Okay, and I guess the I guess the other thing that we're forgetting is these are RVs I don't think we're running them out on a rail. I mean they can literally start their their car and drive somewhere And so they don't have a car. They only have the RV and they can't get to their job That's the problem. My point is that if they have an RV, it's working. They drive it somewhere else. They're not evicted. They're not Um, it's it's not we're not running them out of town. They are they are driving a vehicle and so I'm going to vote against the motion because I I would like to a see our b's off our streets And b see what staff comes up with our safe lots And I think that is the solution that the the motion would naturally lend itself to which is once we have safe lots You say by the way, you can't be on the street. Here's safe lots. And if there's no room move on Well, yeah, but some people are against having a safe lot because it's more expensive than than interim housing. So um, you know, we're we're I think we're kind of losing track of what the solution is and maybe when the staff comes back We will unloose track of it um, but If you have to drive your RV away and park it so far away with no public transportation That you lose your job You know, it's kind of like the problems that we have with coordinated entry now Where you can't hold down a job because you're on the bus all day going to five different service stations around The the great boulder county area And what we'll be doing by saying you immediately can't Park on the street as you're creating that situation where people with jobs can't get to them And and I want to provide an interim solution that does not create 50 more instances of that because it's an injustice All right, let's go ahead and vote on fate the motion is to The the you want to repeat the motion the motion is to create some type of interim solution that before we Kick them out of town or ticket them that we that we uh Tell our police which we don't want to defund to do things like this Um You know, but we're gonna have them take on one more responsibility to become the RV enforcement agency Am I getting that motion correct? Yeah, if you want to put it that way you can but that's not the way I put it mr. Mayor I'm job. Just just pointing out what's inherent in the motion. All right, uh, and it was seconded Let's go ahead and vote all in favor say I I I'll oppose say nay. Nay Okay, there are a couple people I didn't see lips moving so we're gonna go ahead and take this vote again Raise your hand if you're for the motion Raise your hand if you're against the motion All right, the motion carries five to two with myself and councilmember waters against All right. Thank you very much. Okay. Let's move on to mayor and council comments In deputy commander sadder. I noticed your hand went up. Are you and I or a nay? No, I'm just saying thank you. I'm kidding. Bye. Bye. Thank you All right Okay, mayor and council comments All right council member martin Well, I just want to commend the council Because what I have noticed about this debate that has not been true for a long time Is that people have been taking positions based on their personal convictions? um not on of Which imaginary side they belong on or or you know who campaigned for their election or any of that stuff it's You know, we've been we've been debating based on What we think is right and wrong and what the best way to get to something is and it was just really wonderful To see and hear that so thanks everybody Thank you marcia customer beck Thank you, mayor bagley. Um, I I heard from some constituents that there was a really important prpa meeting on friday a day-long discussion about um alternative resources or an alternative It's late alternative energy And I was wondering if you could if you could tell us because they're going to be voting on that next month um Can you tell us how that went? mayor bagley I was on are you talking about the prpa board meeting on thursday? Yeah I was in houston texas Oh, you were so you didn't get to go. I did not attend that meeting Did you have the mayor pro tem to uh going your stead? I did not Mayor pro tem doesn't sit on that board I was uh On the meeting I can tell you what happened, but not as a member of the board Go ahead if you'd like to if you'd like to share Well, okay question is uh mayor bagley. Are you going to be at the next meeting in order to vote? On this Yes, I that's the yes. I will be Okay, is this a is this a public? Is that are you making a public point here councilmember pack? Uh, kind of I I I was very concerned about this meeting. I was waiting for For you to go. Yes Didn't know you were out of town and I was hoping that Mayor pro tem could go in your stead since he is the uh Yeah, well that's that's how that board works Okay, so there is no alternate for for when I'm not present at that board It is not a it's not a council appointment It is one by charter and uh, I vote not as a councilmember, but I vote as a board member Okay, that is my that is my legal obligation, but I don't miss them often, but I had an obligation down in texas that I did not feel like uh sharing with council And uh, I will still not share that with council But once again, I appreciate my fellow council council members trying to uh, You know cause problems that aren't there, but anyway anybody else want to make a comment? Yes customer christianson I've been uh doing What's called death cleansing, which means you clean out your house so you don't uh Saddle your poor kid with the process So I gave away 40 years of national geographics and I want to thank the family who took them They were delighted. They sent me pictures of them. They said How happy they were and that made me feel very good and uh because I had a very sentimental attachment to them and I want to thank the Guy from tinker mill who took a load of wood off my Uh front porch that I was also giving away. I've been giving away stuff left and right So if anybody wants anything I've probably got it to come to my house All right, I guess my I guess it's late so I'm gonna watch what I say But I would just admonish and counsel my fellow council members including you council member peck and you council member I'll go faring give me a call if you want to be critical be critical of me in public Um, believe it or not. I'm a lot of times. I just feel that uh, I believe that uh A lot of our dirty laundry doesn't need to be aired here and I tend to get defensive when people poke me and so uh Don't want that to happen anymore. Okay Um, so I agree with you and um, I would like you to do the same All right, we'll notice that I don't typically poke unless poked first so All right. Well, give me a call. We can talk about it council member peck All right, anybody else? All right, then let's go ahead and let's take a vote to conclude the meeting Okay, I'm sorry, uh herald eugenie anything no comments No comments mayor. All right. Can we have a motion? I move we adjourn. I'll second that All right, it's been moved and seconded all in favor say aye Aye Opposed All right. Have a good week guys. Bye