 Coming up on DTNS, GoGaro's battery swapping scooters expand to India, Europe's aiming to regulate AI and how VR can make you healthier. This is the Daily Technus for Wednesday, April 21st, 2021, 21, 21, 21 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane. In SLC. I'm Scott Johnson. I'm the shows producer Roger. We were just talking about spin offs of spin offs on TV shows and old board games like Operation. If you want that wider conversation, become a member and get good day internet at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Instagram will roll out a new abusive message filter for message requests and direct messages with a common list of abusive words, phrases and emoji compiled by anti-bullying organizations. The company will also introduce a feature to proactively block new accounts created by people that a user has already blocked rolling out over the next several weeks in the UK, France, Germany, Ireland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Microsoft Outlook now includes an optional setting that lets individuals and companies automatically start or end all meetings early to give time between back to back meetings. Why did it take this long? Microsoft said it had added the setting based on its own research on digital overload impacting employees. Amazon added Amazon one palm readers at a Seattle Whole Foods market with plans to expand the tech to seven other Whole Foods stores in the area over the coming months. These readers were previously only available at Amazon Go stores letting you link your palm to a card for payment and then use your palm scan at checkout. Celebrite is a company that helps governments and police agencies crack into encrypted devices, particularly mobile phones. Signal developer Moxie Marlin Spike has posted about some vulnerabilities in Celebrite software Wednesday that would allow the execution of malicious code on a Windows device and modify Celebrite device reports both future and past. Marlin Spike said that they will responsibly disclose those specific vulnerabilities to Celebrite if it does the same for the vulnerabilities it uses to conduct its operations. Seems fair. Celebrite systems unveiled the wafer scale engine to processor which includes 2.6 trillion transistors and 850,000 AI optimized cores and an 8 inch by 8 inch square wafer more than double the cores of its CS1 processor that debuted back in 2019. The new chip will ship in Q3 of this year and is optimized for supercomputing AI applications. Alright, let's talk a little more about these AI regulations. earliest days of this, this is like talking about GDPR in 2016. The European Commission proposed a bill Wednesday to develop comprehensive regulation of artificial intelligence. The draft would have to go through several rounds of revisions by the European Council and European Parliament before it reaches its final stage. But here's what's in the initial proposal. Most uses of AI would not be regulated. We're usually seeing these stories reversed, but I think it's good to start with that. So your video games, your spam filters, you know, all that stuff, that's not going to be regulated. Some AI uses would be lightly regulated. So deep fakes, customer service chatbots, those would just need to disclose that an algorithm is being used. Hey, that we used a deep fake algorithm on this or, you know, you're talking to a bot's not a real person. But some uses would be heavily restricted, or even banned entirely. And that's where the majority of the debate is going to occur, particularly around what are now some vague terms. High risk is one of those terms. Examples of high risk includes software used for critical infrastructure, algorithms used by police to predict crime, remote biometric systems, particularly facial recognition. Facial recognition would only be allowed for specific cases like finding an abducted child, stopping an imminent terrorist threat, locating a suspect of a particular crime, anything from fraud to murder. And outright bans are proposed for uses like a social credit system, something they're using in China, subliminal techniques, or taking advantage of someone's disability to distort their behavior in a way that causes harm. High risk uses that aren't banned would need to show human oversight in design and use and meet some at this point still vague quality requirements on training data. There is a template for this financial organization's already worked with regulators to show how financial algorithms work. This is a result of regulations put in after the financial crisis. So that sort of provides a template for how you could have regulators examine how AI works, whatever form the bill takes, the intention would be to regulate AI used within the EU, as well as any AI used outside the EU that impacts an EU citizen. So you're at the earliest stage of this. Scott, Sarah, if if you were to say like, here's one thing I want to make sure goes into this proposal, what do you think you'd put in there? Yeah, man, I've been thinking about this a lot since we are since I saw in the lineup. And my first my brain always goes first to gaming, because that's just where my head's at. And thankfully, it sounds like they're not counting that there are huge jumps in AI technology that happened in the gaming space. And some of that makes it way it's way out of there, and into other industries and other parts of everyday life. And one would wonder if if that keeps happening, like, let's just say AI behaviors in VR, which we talked about on the show before, if that stuff, suddenly we go, Oh, there's a real world application for this. I assume all of that stuff has to go through review, even though they're not sure yet, if it still counts as lightly or more regulated than it already is, like to me, there's the devils in the details on stuff like this. And so my brain always thinks, well, sure, you can say AI and a halo games fine today, but tomorrow, if we find out a way to make it work in real life, we're gonna have to have that discussion again. I don't know. It's not in not in Halo, but in an actual like mech suit that has been invented. So like, yeah, or just, you know, an application we can't even think of. That's usually what ends up happening is we don't even know how these how, you know, ideas come iterations and ideas come from other stuff. Something sparks any idea. And then we're like, Oh, what if we use this in this or whatever? And companies like Microsoft and bigger companies like that could actually find applications outside of the origin of the technology. So I don't know that it's it to me that there's there's there's bumps in this road, but I couldn't actually point to any of them because I actually think they've thought really well about this so far. Like it seems like they've categorized things in the proper place. But I think there's a lot of unknown. Yeah, I think as far as just the the bill that's being proposed and how it's been broken down to most things not regulated, some light regulation. And then once you get into law enforcement, and, you know, trying to, you know, we start talking about terrorism or abducted children, that's where it gets a little bit tricky. And I think the idea that the AI used not only within the EU, but anywhere in the world that it would impact an EU citizen is the whole world, right? And so then you start getting into well, there are some local laws that that don't allow law enforcement to use a certain kind of facial recognition at all. But it but that's not a blanket rule, you know, across even a nation anywhere, right? So you you start to it starts to get a little bit messy as to who is being affected and where are they at any given time and going back to law enforcement thing. If you are looking for you know, child gets kidnapped. Yes, we all want to do everything that we can do to make sure that the child is found safely and as quickly as possible, right? But is that going to uncover something else in the in the process of trying to find that child? And what do we do with that kind of information? Because we have the technology to to sometimes get information that wasn't really supposed to be gathered at the time, but maybe should be acted upon a lot of gray areas. I think yeah, the devil is going to be in the details and how you define like what is a use of facial recognition? I mean, we all can can conceive of the the ones we're okay with. And we can all conceive of the ones we're not. It's the it's the ones that are on the line between those where this is all going to be battled. And a good template for figuring out like, Well, when they say if it impacts an EU citizen, doesn't that mean anything in the world? A good way of looking at that is GDPR right now, and which companies have to deal with GDPR and which companies said, you know what, we're just not going to operate in the European Union anymore. If we have to do that, which there were a few. This all comes on the heels of a US FTC blog post Monday detailing actions it will take against companies that misuse AI. The post said quote, the FTC acts prohibits unfair or deceptive practices that would include the sale or use of for example, racially biased algorithms. Later in the post stating whether caused by a biased algorithm or by human misconduct of the more prosaic variety, the FTC takes allegations of credit discrimination very seriously. So a call that they're going to be paying attention to how algorithms are deployed in enforcing the law on the side of the US FTC. Alright, let's shift to Netflix. They just had an earnings report. How are they doing Scott? They sure did. They reported subscribers rose from 204 million last quarter to 208 million. Now unsurprisingly, that's much lower growth than last year in the first part of the pandemic related lockdowns and so on they had that huge growth. Then it's also less growth than Netflix had predicted for itself. Netflix attributed the slow down to a lighter content slate is their quote. And the first half of this year as a result of production shutdowns in 2020, we're starting to see those delays. Now, Netflix did not identify the increased competition of more streaming services like HBO Max, Peacock, and others as a factor, you have to imagine they probably were at least some level. Netflix says a second strong half with the return of the Witcher and movies starring the Rock and Leonardo DiCaprio, not necessarily together. We'll accelerate growth, although put them together and then you got real growth, man. Anyway, meanwhile, Netflix predicts it will add 1 million subscribers next quarter. Yeah, so we're gonna have another slow quarter from Netflix. I think they're right. I think, you know, not having a I think this is another way of Netflix nicely saying we didn't have a big hit. Bridgerton was was our only big hit. And it didn't carry us in this last quarter. I think that's that's fair and they haven't been producing as much. But I always thought Netflix was better positioned for the pandemic because they were producing so much content. And they even said last year like, Hey, our production isn't going to be suffering as much. So they're changing their tune a little. I think a lot of this has to do with competition. Yeah, they have a deeper well. But they also, you know, that's one of the things that competition actually came to the table with fresh, which was, Hey, we're HBO, we're doing Max. And we got all the HBO content, all the Warner Brothers content, and a whole bunch of stuff you forgot we owned. And here it is. And we have it on day one, whereas Netflix has had to pull in third parties through contracts and it would come and it would go and then slowly build up their own stuff. So I think they're in a great position and everything's going well. But I think there's a lot of strength in these competition or these competitors than I expected. Like that stuff really Netflix is, you know, it's it's the classic. It's going to be the classic example of a company who saw explosive growth in 2020 because everyone's at home, you know, sign up for Netflix and start watching some movies and some shows. Let's start at the season one episode one of friends will take us a few months kind of thing. But but but yeah, we have a lot more competition now. And I think that Netflix was going to have their market share eroded. And last year is just kind of a weird year. It's has spilled over into 2021 as well. But this probably has more to do with the fact that Netflix is not the only game in town and less to do with its growth just slowing because everybody in the world has Netflix because there's still a long way to go. You know, when we were preparing for this week in science crossover over the weekend, somebody asked us about why aren't they do battery swaps? And I responded like they do. And one of the things I pointed out was Gogoro and we've got some news about Gogoro today. In fact, we do. If you are not familiar with Gogoro scooters that are powered by Gogoro's swappable rechargeable batteries now make up about 25% of the vehicle sales market in Taiwan 25% Wednesday Gogoro announced that it will partner with Hero Motor Corp to build a battery swapping network in India. Hero will also launch electric two-wheelers under its brand using Gogoro's technology. Hero will also start in India before expanding into some of its 40 other markets. So India pretty big market, big motorbike place. Gogoro launched its first smart scooter back in 2015 and has since reached partnerships with Yamaha, PGO and a motor. It's also expanded outside Taiwan in small ways like a delivery fleet that's working in South Korea and small efforts in Europe and even in the US. But Taiwan has been its blooming success with more than 375,000 riders and 2,000 battery swap charging stations executing 265,000 swaps per day. Gogoro's app monitors battery conditions and manages charging so well that it says it's not needed to retire one battery from its system in six years. Yeah, we've been following Gogoro since 2015 here on Daily Tech News Show and I felt like they are under covered as a technology innovator. One of the reasons is that they have only been operating at scale in Taiwan for the last several years. So moving into India, having a big partner like Hero, which is a big company there, is a great test of whether this can work outside of Taiwan. It's a smashing success in Taiwan and it'll be interesting to see they can replicate that in a much larger country. All right, folks, we love patrons that stick with us. That's why we're happy to offer Patreon loyalty rewards. You can get a unique sticker, mug, t-shirt or hoodie every three months, as long as you stay a patron at a certain level. 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Spiegel, a professor of medicine and public health and director of health services research at the Cedars Sinai Medical Center in LA, tells the Times that VR helps patients who are trying to train themselves and stay motivated away from a PT center. Can't be there all the time. And that VR nudges the human brain in ways that other audiovisual media cannot. Boston based XR Health is one of the companies focused on VR for physical and occupational therapy at home. It's covered by some insurance companies as well in Massachusetts and nationally by Medicare. Or people can pay $179 monthly for the headset and two physical occupational therapy appointments monthly. It's not that bad, not too bad. An analyst of 27 studies conducted by Matt C. Howard, an assistant professor of marketing and quantitative methods at the University of South Alabama, found that VR therapy is in general more effective than traditional programs. And this doesn't even crack open the case for mental health and therapies that are being sort of done with VR right now in that space. So really cool stuff happening with VR in the medical area. Yeah, we've talked about pain management and post-traumatic stress as examples of that. But this new physical therapy approach is very interesting because for one thing it allows you to get instant feedback. If any of you have done physical therapy, which I have, you know that it's really hard to remember exactly what you're supposed to be doing when that physical therapist is no longer there. Am I holding my back right? Am I doing it right? We would take videos of myself doing it on my phone so I could look at it and kind of compare. But VR can provide you that kind of instant feedback of like no you're not. Move your arm, stretch your arm. Oh yeah, no, now you got it. Now you got it. Now you're doing it. And one of the other effects that needs to be studied more to see how big it is, but there's lots of anecdotal evidence that people will do things they don't think they can do in VR because they really want to pop that balloon, right? Or they really want to get that next score in the game and that can advance therapy faster than if you're just in an empty room with mirrors and a bunch of plastic balls. Yeah, I know that for some folks going and getting an appointment that wasn't life-threatening was really hard at times over the last year. I mean myself included. I didn't have to go to physical therapy, but there's like, you know, optometry appointments where they're like, yeah, we're in a pandemic unless your eye fell out, you're not coming, you know, kind of things. So I think there are a lot of, you know, there's a lot of just issues with getting in-person appointments, especially when the physical therapy is pretty dramatic. And it's something that you really can't do by yourself. You know, you do need a medical professional to be helping you, making sure you're doing things right, making notes of your progress or what isn't working, all of that stuff. And to be able to have that much more of options and flexibility in the comfort of wherever you may be, I'm all for this. I mean, I talk about VR as a great fitness tool all the time. Really, you know, I find it extremely motivated and fun. And that's just because, I mean, we should all be exercising, you know, heart rate's good. But it's not something that I have to do or else, you know, my arm will not work anymore. It's something that I just really enjoy. But to be able to couple that with actually really needing to do things precisely and the repetition to be just so and be able to send data back to your doctor is such a step forward. Yeah, I agree. As a total side personal note, my sister is a professional therapist and not always the first on tech, like she's not always up on the latest tech advancements even in her field. But she is over the moon with progress made specifically with VR and emotional and cognitive therapies. And we'll go on for days if you let her about the stuff that they're seeing there. So one can only imagine we're just now cracking into this egg and this was just going to get more interesting as time goes on. Yeah, we're booking your sister on a Wednesday. That's got to happen. I could see it happening. Speaking of the stress of health Fitbit will bring its stress management and stress score tools to devices that it already was selling that have a heart rate monitor, including the Versa two and three inspired to and the charge for that's right, bringing a feature to an old device. Hey, nice job, Fitbit. The Fitbit since launched with the stress score alongside an electro dermal activity or EDA sensor that tracks electrical changes on your skin that may indicate a stress response. See, you'd think Fitbit might want to force you to go buy that new device to get a stress score because it's the only one that has the EDA sensor, right? That's a compelling reason. But apparently you can calculate the stress score without the EDA sensor for the older Fitbit devices. The feature looks at heart rate variability, sleep data and exertion levels to generate that score. Everybody gets to see the score and if you subscribe to Fitbit premium, you see details on what contributed to it. Now, everybody always wants to know, is this actually medically effective or is it just a fun, you know, data driven game that I like to play? Well, Fitbit points to a study published in the journal Clinical Psychology Review that found that something called MBI, mindfulness based interventions from online where you get nudged to like pay attention to yourself like the Fitbit stress score have potential to contribute to improving mental health outcomes, particularly stress. They still need more work to be done, but the early indications are, yeah, this does have a positive effect. Oh man, I'm so excited about this. I rock my Versa 2 all the time. I wear it to sleep. Sleep data is one of my favorite things to look at in the morning, you know, if I got a crappy night sleep and I see all the times that I woke up at night doesn't really help me figure out why I did that, but including a stress score into this, especially with, yeah, how much did I exercise? How tired was I? Did I have some sort of a weird stress spike midday? And can I make some sort of a correlation as to what was going on at that point? Any information, especially information that studies are backing up like, yeah, this is information that it's not going to make stress go away in your life. You're going to have to do that on your own, right? But to at least give you a little bit more of a tool to figure out what might be triggering you. Yeah, I have a charge for and I think it's awesome that that thing is going to get support for this. And it's got stuff to back it up. Like you hear their apps all the time. You spend any time on Instagram, you get advertised to 50 times a day for some kind of, you know, perfect stress management tool and it's usually just an app that tells you to breathe or whatever. And that's fine. I don't want to be smirked them all. There's some in there that are probably okay. I just like the idea of some actual science and peer reviewed content that makes its way into a program like this. That to me just gives it more authenticity and I'm more willing to give it a give it a shot. And, you know, Lord knows I could use better sleep. So I'm going to give this a shot and see how it goes. Yeah, me too. I subscribe to Fitbit Premium. So it'll be interesting to see, you know, if you get a stress score, it's like your stress score is 89 B plus. You kind of go, OK, I guess I'm doing great. Right. But to have a little bit more information that's broken down about what's actually going on and, you know, getting a little more charts and graphs might be helpful. Fitbit Premium, I believe I pay $79 a year. So it's not cheap, but it does make these sorts of tools a little bit more robust. Just don't get stressed out about your stress score. No. Yeah. Or it'll show up in the detailed report. Yeah. For some of us, a C plus worked just fine in high school. It worked just fine here. Just relax. That's the takeaway. Just relax. You're so emotional. OK. Bandai announced the Tomagachi Picks. This is a new version of its pet rating game that has a built-in camera. The device is shaped like a hatching Tomagachi egg. The broken shell part of the top is also the shutter button. Then you put your Tomagachi pet in the photo with you. Yeah. So wherever you might be, it may be sort of a bragging right like, look at where I got my Tomagachi pet to go with me. Pictures are stored locally. The Picks doesn't have Wi-Fi, but you can share pictures using QR codes. There are also some new game features like having an effect on your pet's future employment prospects based on things like how you decorate their room. It's Tomagachi stuff. You're either into it or you're not. Tomagachi's also get new activities like painting and cooking, ordering food for delivery, you know, just like us. Pre-sale of Tomagachi Picks starts today for $60. Yeah. First of all, many of you are like, wait, Tomagachi still exists? Like, yeah, they've been, you know, iterating on the idea ever since the 90s. I'm still putting out new stuff. This is the latest one. They want you to call this AR. They want you to compare it to Pokemon Go. It's not, it's merely sticking the Tomagachi in the photo with you. There's not much augmented reality about it. But it's, I don't know, it's cute. It's a cute idea, right? Sure. I mean, I don't know how many of you, I know, you know, it never really went away. Tomagachi was the thing. I don't know what was I a teenager, I guess, when that first came out. And it never was really left, it's been around in some form or another. But there's something about raising a virtual thing and not having too many consequences if it ties, just kind of, you know, feed it fake food and fake pet it and then hope it grows into something cool. And now that we live in a time of cameras and AR and, you know, this sort of stuff, this makes perfect sense. It's also cheaper and more accessible than it's ever been. So maybe this is the big new hot rise again from the ashes. Tomagachi moment, the way that Pokemon go turned Pokemon into a more, I don't know, every day, every house kind of thing. And it'll be huge, but I'm not buying one. The price of a brand new Apple TV remote, you can get a Tomagachi pick. Just two dollars more. And it worked just as well as the current remote, Tom. Did you know that your Tomagachi is just as likely to work with your Apple TV as your current remote. All right, stop baiting me. Yeah, this is not something that I will be purchasing either, but this is also, I'm well aware that there are a bunch of people out there. They're like, it's only 60 dollars. This is going to be so awesome. And there's going to be a whole TikTok genre about it. I can see it now. So if you enjoy your Tomagachi picks after playing around with it for some time, do let us know and send us an email feedback at daily technewshow.com. Speak it up. Let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. So Scott, not Scott Johnson, a different Scott wrote in and said, we were talking about the Apple's Spring Loaded, Spring Loaded event yesterday on yesterday's show. Scott says it would be just like Apple to update iMacs and iPad Pros with the M1 chip and then later this fall update the MacBook Pro with the M2 or M110 or M1X or whatever the next chip is that doubles the GPU, etc. Right? That's what I'm hoping for. Scott says I feel like everyone is all a tither about this announcement and I'm yawning. I mean, I'm not getting a new Apple TV 4K for the remote or the newer CPU. I suppose the iPad Pro was the biggest thing if you're someone that uses an iPad Pro. My plain Jane iPad works well for me. Yeah, it's a good reminder that just because Apple announces a thing doesn't mean you have to get it or that it somehow has to be the thing you can't resist getting. Like it would be just like Apple to release a new iPhone every year or, you know, refresh iPad Pros in the Spring and other iPads in the fall. Because that's what they do. They're always releasing new products. So I think this is a good reminder of like, hey, you know what? If you're like, man, I don't know if I'm impressed, then don't buy anything. You wait for the next product round. Maybe you don't need one. And yeah, you don't need to get the new Apple TV 4K if you've got a perfectly good Apple TV 4K that you're into or you don't need 4K. It's all relative. Yeah, and you said something earlier too that I've been a big believer in more than ever and that is use, get what you need in the moment that you need it, meaning don't always be thinking about, well, I'll wait for the next one because there will always be a next one. And whether it's Apple or Samsung or anybody else, it's always going to be a new one next year. So if you keep playing that game, you'll never get anything or you'll always, you know, kind of psych yourself out and end up with a device that's 10 years old and then mad at yourself because you're not taking advantage of new stuff or whatever, just get what you need for what you need. Like I'm going to get that new iPad Pro, not the two terabyte, whole another story. But the reason I'm doing it is it's time for an upgrade and I make a huge part of my living with that device as my primary art tool. It makes sense for me, time to do it. I'm not going to get one of those awesome looking iMacs. They look amazing, but I just got an M1 Mini that I, because kind of doing everything I needed to do and then some, like it's really outperforming what my expectations were. So I'm not that guy either and do I know there'll be something with a two on it and then a three and then a four and maybe these X's in between? Absolutely there will be. But welcome to like the last 50 years of computer, you know, changes. That's just the way it is. So I feel what he's saying. I just think it's important like you say Tom wants to know. I was just remember we don't have to do anything. Yeah, it's on Apple to give us reasons or Samsung or Google or whoever. If they're going to give us a good enough reason, then we'll think about it. And yeah, update your products as often as you want. When you think you got something worth changing because that makes them better. So by the time I need to buy something, there's lots of cool new stuff in it. But that doesn't mean that they get the new thing every time it's announced. The only thing I would say to people in general is if we're close to an Apple announcement or we're close to a historic Apple announcement, maybe wait a couple of weeks to find out what they announce. Yep. Agreed. Oh, also the I know people bring it up all the time, but I'll just say it again. Apple rumors has that amazing. They keep it up all the time that amazing chart. And it's basically every product Apple has when it was last released, what was the latest refresh? And then kind of a general recommendation of whether you should be looking to buy now or hold off because there's a new event in a month where they may announce a new one or whatever. And they give you kind of a range of maybe you're OK or definitely buy because it's brand new or don't get it because we think there's new pros coming out this fall or whatever. It's really helpful if you're somebody out there going, I don't have to pull the trigger today, but I might soon. I need more information and that that tool is awesome. It's really good. Well, thanks for the email, Scott. Thanks everybody who emails us and also big shout out to patrons at our master and our grand master level today. They include high tech oaky Tim Ashman and Brandon Brooks. By the way, even more special thanks, the specialist of things to Mike McLaughlin, who today is in the top lifetime supporters for DTNS. Well, he is every day, but today we are celebrating you, Mike. Thanks for all the years of support. Also, thanks to Scott Johnson. Scott Johnson, how the heck have you been since last week? I've been pretty good. We are now at the halfway point of the Kickstarter I mentioned last week. Huge thanks to any DTNS folks that helped reach out and support that thing. As a result, things have gone a little nuts and we broke through our eighth stretch goal already. And stretch goal nine is just there looming looking at us for only a couple of hundred bucks away. So, if you want to play a really fun casual card game with your friends, family or whoever in a very competitive way and have a lots of cool fun sci-fi surrounding it. By gum, you're going to like rock runners incorporated. So go check it out. 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