 Well, um, we've got a quarry in here. Maybe I'll dive in. I know Lauren can't make it. I haven't heard anything about Jennifer. Jennifer Morton's on vacation this great month. Awesome. Um, maybe that's why I was thinking with them. I don't know. I'm making stuff that never mind. Hi Cameron. Um, so not a lot on our agenda. Um, and so I think I'll just drive us right in if that's okay. Um, of, you know, going over our minutes for doing the equity project matrix from the equity report. Um, I think it could be helpful to do, like, have a little bit of a conversation right next steps and talking about VR, VCRD, which will roll us into time and grand opportunities. And then looking at the Vermont League of Cities and Towns equity plan and then the council equity plan update report. Um, and then it's after June for July 1. So we can talk about more about the, um, the stipend outreach. And then recognizing the workshop tonight that Michael shared about and anything else that we want to make sure we hit on this call. And, um, yeah, anything else to add to the agenda or move around. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of this is on you Cameron. So sorry to, yeah, there we go. Thanks for being our staff. That's what I mean to say. Okay. Um, okay, so should we pull up the minutes from the June 15th meeting and see if there's any. Anyone wants to make a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. Okay. All in favor. Hi. Any opposed. All right. Um, sorry, I'm still having my breakfast here. I'm talking here too. Right. Okay. I could be project matrix was I actually forgot to link it in the regular thing, but it's a link in the minutes. So folks want to pull that back up. Or I can drop it in a chat or both. Um, And I think we kind of left off on thinking about the policing components. And so, um, Yeah, it feels like it's been a long time. So I'm trying to, if, if anyone wants to dive in with. Oh, that was camera. Yeah. So Cameron checking in with the police department. The police issues. Recognizing that there's been a lot that's happened there and how much is that our responsibility for kind of keeping that up to the, if there's no longer police review committee. Yeah, anyone have any thoughts on that. So I updated that in the report. Not so much you're in this document. So I, I figured that that is something that you'll couldn't transfer over or if you want to up to y'all. Anything else at the matrix. I'm like, I can't remember if we were going to everything about that is updated as like in progress complete. Kind of where we're at. Hold on a minute here. Is there any note we want to put in the committee stipends row. It's operational. We can do it. One person. I mean, I guess I could go into it when we're talking about this. I've been up for each, but I've gotten one application. That's really good. Sounds like a little while, but let's dive into it. Yeah. Um, I know, yeah, can't Jeremy posted on course. They will be continuing to do that posting. To all the committee chairs. But then, yeah, I mean, how, how is it? Well, first one, that's when I also am I going to go. I don't know if folks can mute. Yeah, no, I, I, I haven't heard anything other than the one application I've received so far. So I'll probably try to do another push internally as well. I'll send another email out to the membership of committees. And let them know that that is active and live and they can apply for that. Cameron, is there a, is there a single place on the website that lists all of the vacant or city committee opportunities? Um, we do have a like vacancy page. But I will be honest with you, it's not the most updated thing. So, no, but I can ask staff to prioritize that and probably be. Yeah, I was thinking as I was crafting the thing, I posted a front porch forum. It would be nice to do a kind of a to a double kind of plug, you know, one here's all these committees you can possibly serve on. And there's this stipend available for you to help you do that. We will prioritize that. Thank you. And I mean, should we just kind of continually be posting on front porch forum social media? We have any kind of a schedule we need to make for that or is it just kind of make it up as we go? Yeah, I was initializing like once a week. And then I'm now that we're there, I'm like, I feel like you need to, there's like four front porch firms a day on Montpelier. So should we try to like do more concerted pushes or something. That was a thought that I was having, but I haven't done anything about because they also max you out on what you can post on to and so, you know, if we were to all post one week, then we would have to wait a couple weeks to do that again. Okay, you can only post like four times a month or something. Oh really. So why don't I since I did the first post one and I maybe do max out my four and like over the next week or so. Right. Yeah. See what, see what we got. And then, yeah, I'm telling or Michael do either of you guys want to like take a week to just like post four times in a week. Does that make sense. Just like push it out. Yeah, if you create a like a schedule table or something. So people can see, you know what day is their day. And it will be okay for me just to remind all of us right. You want me to do that Shayna, I can do that. That's amazing. Yeah, I was just like, I don't know if people aren't wondering people are out and things like that but Jeremy if you like do it over the next week and then Helen if you like take over on the 20th. Would that make sense like the 20th to the 27th. Actually, I will be in Miami until 26. I'm leaving this Saturday. Yeah, it's a family vacation, but I can do after 26. It works. What do you I don't I'm not planning to bring my computer. If I can do yeah, thanks. Don't start on the 27th, and then I could do next week then, and then Michael I know you just stepped away, but then to do the week after that. Does that make sense. And then it's been a month so we can start over again. Yeah. I'll do a quick table of that. Should I put Lauren and Jennifer in the mix on that they can do that right. Great. Yeah, there are the people that I messaged being like after you for just a posting over the last couple of weeks and I hadn't seen anything from them or heard anything back from them so. Yeah, I couldn't just be because they posted that they're on vacation and they can't go and come to this meeting so maybe that's why. Yeah, let's add them in. Um, Michael you are muted. I'm so sorry. This is just about the stipends that we're posting. Okay. So we can use the same message that whatever is going out, right. And then Michael do you saw their press contact. So do we want to circle back to try to get the media. Who was that address to to you Michael. Yeah, only go Tom or others. Tom is going, he said he's given he's given us a lot of space and he really can't, you know, his editor to get on to other things so. Okay. I think we have to leave him alone for a while and until we have something there's something new going on. Great. What are my other media contacts. Well I know Steve Pappas at the editor of the Times August so I could contact him. Sounds great. So what now what we I'm sorry I stepped away so what we get my doing the posting on front porch for them for him. I think it's August 3rd to 11th. I haven't read any of this down. No, I'm looking at Michael for you. The first week of July 31st through August 6. Okay. Did you say that. No, I was looking at different days but that looks great. Okay. And you're allowed to do it for so four times a week. It's something like that or four times a month. I know they, they, if you post too often, they cut you off. Which is like great for discourse reasons and makes it hard to do these things for your like, everyone should know about this thing. Yeah. And then camera and let all the committee chairs now. Yes. Any other places. Well, have we contacted. Well, I guess that the bridges. Tom McCown does that. What about. Right at the bridge or something. I don't know if we could do that. We could just take the same text for the front porch form and send it out to the bridge. Okay. What about Washington world? I mean, it's that reaches beyond Montpelier, but. You used to work there, right? No, my kid used to deliver deliver. It was a long time ago. So I think, I don't know how it works. I think you could do it as a, you know, send in things without pay being paid something we pay for. Yeah. We can just let, let them know about that. Okay. I'll put that on my list of things to do. And I think also if we like presented at the July 20th city council meeting that could be powerful too. Right. Yeah. So I think we should be able to hear about it there and then make cover it from there. We're going to talk about the council meeting. Should we dive into talking about that? Is that cool? Or I think first, you know, looking at the equity assessment, recommendations, progress updates. Like Cameron sent out on the 24th. That's attached here. So we've got these. So is it okay to transition to that or anything else with stipend average? Okay. Yeah. I think we should post here, like just do it. And then that'll, that'll be great. It's okay if there's duplicates getting the word out. All right, Cameron. The status report. Yeah. So I had sent out the draft of the report to send a council. I don't know when you said the 24th. If you don't mind pulling that up. Okay. So I hope that address the concerns that you'll had at your last meeting. The police department has looked at it. It isn't done in a vacuum. So they helped with that as well. And took a lot of the updates also from what the police review committee was doing. So again, this isn't happening in a vacuum. And this isn't new information. I think for council, but it's important for y'all to have that information as well. So you're still scheduled to present on the 20th. We have you right now in the beginning part of the agenda. So it's as soon as we can get to it. So. I, I don't have on any sort of presentation done for y'all. If you want to have slides or anything like that. If you want to walk them through just sort of your work update, that's on y'all what you want to do there. But this report is ready to go to them as soon as y'all are comfortable with it. Great. Thank you so much. Um, So yeah, what do folks think? Do we want to have some sort of like, and how long do you. Oh, as long as you make it a shorter as long as you make it. I don't think you would mind one way or the other. I think slides would be a helpful. Document to summarize. And structure the presentation. It's kind of going through the different pieces. Um, yeah. Making a big plug for the stipend. Go ahead, Cameron. Oh, I'm just, I'm just typing. Sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My house is loud. Sorry. How did you, how are you thinking about handling the presentation? I mean, I haven't really been thinking. I was like, well, does present. I don't know. Yeah. Does it. Do folks want to take different sections? I'm sorry. I haven't, I haven't thought this through at all. Um, even though it's been on our agenda for a couple of, a couple of years now, I don't know if that does that. Can folks make it? Uh, you know, six 30, let's say six 30 to seven 30 for first thing on the agenda. On the 20th. And, um, Is there a section that you want to. Present on. Cause I think it'd be great if we can. You have any voices up there. I can attend and I can. Help present. I don't have a strong opinion. About. Which items, because I'm really just looking at this now. I don't have a strong opinion. But it does seem like a lot for one person to have to carry. So I'm happy to help. This is going to be circulated in advance to the city council, right? So it's not as if it's. Well, we can assume that they will have at least scanned it. Yeah. Skimmed it skimmed it. Well, since I was on the police review committee, I'll take the police review part. Beautiful. Okay. I'm going to be in Miami that week. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I can. I can have the preparation. Tell me what to do. But unfortunately I cannot attend the meeting. Yeah. I mean, I think. I'm kind of thinking about this. We're going to go with a big picture overview. And then we let them ask questions, right? Like. Does that. Like I'm even thinking about it. Like I could. You know, like, I could, like, I could, if there's three of us, I could give like the orientation, like the over, you know, how we got here. And then Jeremy, if you wanted to go over the. Creative discourse recommendations, although that's also a lot. Michael go over the police review committee recommendations, which is a lot. Kind of like the big picture and then be able to. You know, answer questions and then kind of make the pitch for the stipends. That. I think that makes sense. I think. I think focusing on kind of like. Really the high level stuff, like not too much in the details to begin, like you say, an overview. I don't think that's too much to bear for us. But I think we have specific questions. So what prep should we assign to Pellan? So. Do you want to make the first cut of the PowerPoint to share? Does that make sense? Okay. Awesome. And just share that by email. Cool. Just as I'm looking through the police thing. I can never remember acronyms. What is L E O. Law enforcement. Oh, law enforcement officers. Oh, I can. I do that a lot and I'm sorry, I will go through the presence. I will go through the report and I will take out. The whatever they're called an acronym. I will. I will write them out. I will do that today. Send it back. No, you don't have to the most of them actually most of them. Most of the acronyms. Have something that shows what they are, but that one doesn't. Okay. Well, I assume one of the questions that they're going to ask is like, so what's next, you know, like, what is our next priority? And so I'm wondering if you can dive into that for like 15 minutes. Cause I did have a conversation with Vermont. Yeah. And just kind of to learn more about what their process is and how they think about their work and how it could overlap or intersect with our potential next steps. Okay. Okay to dive. I have one logistical question about council next week. Are folks planning to be there in person or are we doing this all? We decided to be remote. What's the feeling about that? It is next week, isn't it? Ah, I was like, it's not next week. Well, I guess the question could go to Cameron. Do the council members really prefer to have us there live or are they happier and need to let us do this remotely? It definitely does not matter. It is all your comfort level. It is easier if, well, you know, honestly it honestly doesn't really matter. It's worked out well with people in person and online both. So it really does have to do with your schedules and your comfort level. We can make it work no matter what. I am facilitating our other call at eight and so either we would act like if we can actually be done at seven thirty or I feel like sometimes things get late and then I can just go boop, boop from one call to the next is my preference, but all totally flexible. Yeah, I don't have a strong opinion either way. I think it does sound smoother for all in the same channel. So I'm totally comfortable with doing it remote. OK, you too. Great. Thanks, team. Awesome. And we can just present or have Cameron present in in person. Things like that. Cool. Thanks for asking. So, yeah, I was I didn't know really how Vermont Council of Rural Development thought about their work and it really seems like there's a lot of overlap with what we were doing with Creative Discourse. And so I wish we'd had this presentation, you know, three years ago. So, yeah, so we're not Council of Rural Development for municipalities. They do this like community visit process where they go at the invitation of like this look for the city council, things like that. And they have a three step process where they bring the community together to bring kind of all the ideas out onto the table. They kind of do a pitch and a vote to narrow it down to a handful of priorities, like four or five priorities. And then they create task force and committee to get the resources needed to get started or to continue on doing this work. So they are very clear that they do not have capacity to take on doing this like this big, you know, deep dive in with on this first cities or towns this year or next year. But they did say that they also and that they were like, and it doesn't make sense to because it sounds like you guys have done a lot of this work already of like you've like created, you know, like their work has led to see jack equivalent committees in other cities, other towns in Vermont. But that that there's like a lot of overlap kind of with what we have done already. So they also do these like one off this. So they have a couple of different options. They also do these one off facilitation, which are where they bring in kind of different like resources. And they and they have those like this community leadership guide. And then they can also be like consultants for doing this work. So they can like more just like work with us who are organizing the, you know, convening or convergences kind of as the people on the ground. And they can just kind of like provide more of the consulting stuff like what we were doing with creative discourses. They have never worked in Montpelier. They did just do the kind of a full community visit process in very last year. And they have worked in Montpelier. They did them one off in Montpelier. So this kind of like, you know, the one off facilitation process previously. And yeah, I mean, so the way the they let me look over my notes here too. Yeah, so they want it really wanted to caution for the full process because they said, you know, like we have our marching orders. Like we know what issues that we want to work on. So thinking that like there's more of the options that would make sense for them to support us on. And like this one one time facilitation, like a really scaled back version just because they don't really have the capacity right now, but they could kind of like swoop in and kind of do a one off on one of these priorities or they where they could like then like facilitate and like do the work or they could be more of like a consulting role and helping us to like be able to pull something like this off. They do they are fee for service. So they do for the one offs for the deep dives. They do get like their own grants to be able to do that work. And so it's like an hourly rate set by staff. And that includes like setting the agenda, facilitating the meeting, like doing doing all of that stuff. And then they were also just like they like want to make sure it's like invited in with the city and town leadership. And it's not like a small group of residents. It was like, no, no, no, I really feel like we're deeply embedded in city government. Like this is not a surprise to anyone. And so then they also referenced when new skis committed commission on equity and and they have been kind of in communication with like Susanna Davis's office and partnership and also reference looking at Milton as another place where they could be parallels to like what we're trying to do with our work. But yeah, just like, you know, I said, we're interested in learning some like best practices and holding large open meetings to hear from the public about how to take on these next steps. And they were definitely interested in talking to us more about these different options. And I like back in this meeting was going to be two weeks ago, I was like, let's just like touch base as a team to talk about what the next step would be. And then if like, we're like, OK, we want to invite them in to do a one off then they could come to the next call to like talk more about what that would mean or for doing consulting or something like that. Or if you're like, this may this is maybe not the right next step for us because we are focusing on something else. So let me pause there. How does that all sound? I guess I didn't know that they did this work. And I was like, Bummer, why did we go through this whole very little process of RFP? Well, they could have helped us out by responding to the RFP. But sure, yeah, that's yeah. Well, anyway, that's that's water over the dam, right? Now, I didn't think about that. Yeah, but that's I could just hear my. Well, do we, you know, as I look through all these, do we as a committee have a priority among these various areas of recommendation? And and and I ask that because, you know, they're all over the place and there are now or there are new committees that the city has created like the homeless committee, almost. Who is this? Which is taking on a big, a big chunk of the most important issue, I guess. And that that raises in my mind the question. Well, what do we do next? What's our what's our role in any of what's going on? Yeah, I mean, I think there's like they can stop her. Yeah, I mean, I think that they're kind of like they're reviewing the existing policies through an equity lens. I know that City Council was doing that pre-pandemic and so I don't know kind of where that stands. And then I think also the piece on language access, where is that? Like, I don't think those aren't like being owned or like by any external thing other than city staff. And I don't know if that is a particularly helpful angle or something else. Yeah, but thanks for really testing my goal. I will say we that to me, for for me as a staff perspective, that one's a huge one. We just hired a communications person. She's part time. I know we're very excited. So you should be seeing probably some aggressively upgraded communication out of our office. But I think that's something that I would really like her to help with. That is something we it's just been on my plate, right? And I hate to sound like a complainer, but it's one of many things on my plate, right? So it's hard to it's hard. And so to me, that would be that's a huge one internally. Like, I think that would be a big deal. We have a lot of folks in our community that we don't think about who are English, a second language and how do we get our materials and get our staff in a place that they can support that and work with folks. And I don't think we're in a really great place. We have a translation line. So that is set up and ready for folks if they need it. But that doesn't make our offices, our materials more welcoming, right? How do people even know we have that? So to me, that one's really important. But I do think it would require some assistance. So hopefully when our new communications person is ready, we can get her to help us with that. But to me, that one's a big deal. Thank you. On a related point, and I'm trying to find where that is. Like I saw an advertisement for a workshop on social justice art posters. Yeah. Did I send that along? I think I sent it along. I'm planning on going. Well, it's cool. Thanks for sharing. And that could have some really interesting possibilities in terms of trying to find all the artists. There are so many artists around in our community that maybe we can. There's some opportunity for initiative. Either the city does a request, invites people to do it, and or commissions artists to do some work at some rate. I mean, I think you have to build in a budget for that. If you're going to really do a serious campaign. I think I'm planning to go to that. And I'll find out more about it when I can find a date for it. But with my computer gone, most of the last couple of weeks, I'm not sure where anything is anymore. But I will. Is anyone else planning to go to that? I'll see you there. Is it in October? I'll meet between our houses. Do you remember what date it is? Tomorrow. It's tomorrow. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there it is. 6.30. OK, well, I'll take notes and bring that back to us in our next meeting. And so I think I have two questions here, I guess, is one, we could also alternatively say, all right, VCRD, here's what we have done. Ken, here's where our recommendations are. What do you recommend that we focus on next, kind of in that more consultant role? Or can we kind of hit refresh and say, we know you can't do it this year, but let's look at next year, 18 months from now, start making plans for doing this kind of analysis again. Well, I like that because we need to, I think we should give ourselves some time. We had a big menu of things to do here. If we give ourselves another year, we can go back to the rural development, rural fund, and say, here's what we were, was the agenda that was given to us as a result of our work two years ago. And here's what we've done. What do you think we, where should we go? I like that idea. I think this is, a lot is happening very quickly, and that's very encouraging. But I think we also need to give it time. It was a very big set of recommendations. And Shayna, they will measure what we have done, right? What do you mean? Do that. Like you said, we have done so many things, right? Based on their recommendation, but how do we know that it's those things reach out to people? So can they measure this, right? Do people know, at least the people who they talked before, right? You know, if we were able to inform people or change something for them, then it will make sense, right? All the things we made, if we don't know the results, then it will be just things on paper. I mean, I think that's maybe where my question is coming from is like, right, do we have them help us in saying, here's where recommendations are at, and then like help us come up with a process to know when things are completed, when we can move them on this spreadsheet from in progress to completed, and like when to kind of wrap things up there. I think I was thinking of it, or have them come back in 18 months and not do an analysis of our problem, but we could also do in hand. But it sounds like maybe it would be helpful to have them come coming up to talk about what, like have them read over our status report and to have them make a proposal for what their next steps could be. Does that sound right? We'll kind of put it on them. That's the easy way out for us. Yeah, right. Okay. Because I kind of just like talked to them about what we had done, but not the like here's what the actual steps were, just more of like here's this thing that we did. Okay, great. That was easy. Love hunting, answering these questions to other people. All right. We're doing great on time. Here we go. Do we want to talk about grant opportunities? I think Cameron, you had shared this one from Vermont Community Foundation. Yeah, I just didn't, you know, those are the things that if you want to work with the Vermont Council on Rural Development or whatever, that would be how we would get funding for it. So we're still, I mean, it's still not great budget wise right now for the city. We're doing better, but we're not doing great. ARPA money is a one time thing. So it's not like a continuous infusion of ARPA money. So my continued recommendation for y'all would be to find, if you want to continue to do this work, in addition to the money we had for the creative discourse contract, if you want to do more and we want to work with other groups, we need to try to find grant funding. And so, you know, some of these are smaller and are easily doable by staff. Some of them might take longer. So, you know, it's up to y'all. If you have the time right now, we can certainly talk about this after your presentation at council, after we get sort of an insight from them on maybe where they want to go next. And that might be a question. You know, I've been sitting here thinking while you're trying to make like other groups to tell us what they want to do next, put that on council and ask them what they want to prioritize next, you know? Is there a new fiscal year? They might have, like we want you to spend time doing X. It might even be if you ask them what they want you to focus on next, it might be something completely not even on our equity assessment, right? So, that would be my suggestion. And also, you know, I just wanted to start adding this back to y'all's agendas if you're okay with that, because I think you're sort of all looking for what's next and like how you can, and I really heard what Pelin just said about like how do we prove things, right? Like how do we say the work that y'all have done, which I would argue has gone beyond just paper updates, but how do you prove that? And I think that kind of work can be really helpful from outside groups. So, that would, I just sort of wanted to keep that on people's radars. So, I did send a grant opportunity. It was the last one. I can certainly ask them if they would be willing to sort of fund a continuation of a project instead of like a new project and see what they say. And if they say yes, then I can certainly just throw an application together for that, but just, so all that rambling was just to say I really want to keep that on y'all's radar. When I saw that, I thought to myself, well, we're just a little bit late to get this, get the stipend project off the ground with grant money, but it might be that if they would fund an ongoing that we can go back with some results about how many people applied for the stipend at the end of the year and maybe did some relief leave the city budget. That I particularly welcome by getting a grant for it to continue it. Great. I'll put that on my list to do ASAP. It's just to ask them if they would fund something continuing. I feel like we could frame things as like, what are we looking for funding for as the next thing could be it's on projects, right? Like I, yeah, I don't know. Because we don't have a pitch of what that would be quite yet. I think we can, we're gonna ask, but I don't think we need to action on that yet. Is that, that's okay. Yeah, that's right. And then Darry say it, I think we're gonna get through our agenda early because I think the last thing to look at is the Vermont League of Cities and Towns equity plan review, which I will say I have not spent a lot of time on, but that Cameron shared, and by not spent a lot of time on, meaning I have opened the documents, but I have not read it through, so full disclosure. But Cameron, yeah, do you know any of the contacts or backgrounds of this? VLCT sort of created their own equity committee very similar to what y'all are doing to sort of at general processes and things that could be addressed. And I just wanted to include this on your agenda because I didn't know if you wanted to steal Barra or whatever any of their verbiage, or if you liked, if anything struck up a nerve that we wanted to address or start working on. Mostly I think it was a policy driven investigation, but I did think it was interesting. So I mean, if y'all haven't looked it over, that's also fine. Just thought it was an interesting document and wanted to bring it sort of to the fore and to the public as well. I'm wondering, Cameron, how you found this useful, because as I read some of the goals in some ways, they filled more within the purview of the city to implement like I'm looking at, and these are things that you've already started to do, like I'm looking at develop workforce awareness, knowledge and skills necessary to be active partners in creating a diverse, equitable, inclusive organization. So some of these, I'm not sure how we would take some of these as an advisory committee. So I'm curious how you're seeing the specifics of this as related to the city efforts. Well, to be perfectly honest, I think some of these things are hard. I was talking to one of my staff members who is a black woman and she was talking about like how hard it is in Vermont to be needing to represent an all, right? Like all BIPOC women or all BIPOC people because she's like one of the few that we have in our workforce. And so I don't know, I'm sorry. I'm gonna be really like esoteric about my answer there because I think a lot of these things are actionable, but they don't say how to make actions, right? Like they're not, they're like, make your workforce more diverse. And I'm like, okay, great, thank you. That's very helpful. I am trying. And so, and you know, but I was talking to the staff member and I'm bringing that up because to me, some of those recommendations aren't helpful because what's really actually important is retention, not recruitment. And that's honestly less about, I mean, obviously I can control what I can control internally, but it's also external as well. And so I think a lot of these recommendations are really great if someone is just trying to start out. But I think because we have y'all as a committee, we've already sort of taken a lot of these, I feel are like kind of baseline. Like I think these would be a great recommendation for a community that hasn't started to dig into this work. And I think because we have been digging into this work for a couple of years now, some of these are like, yes and what, right? Yes and. And I think where Montpelier is at that and stage, like and how do we make that happen and how do we keep that, how do we make that stick? So, you know, one of the things that I really wanted to come out of this conversation with y'all is did we miss anything, right? Like these are so big and broad to me, like did we miss any of these big broad things? And how if so, you do say, yes, we missed X and how do we bring that into our plans as well? So, you know, I really haven't done that work on my, I can admit that I haven't done that work either to look and see like, what do I consider something as missing? But I think there's a really good time too because we're starting to look at our strategic planning process for the next few years. And if there is a big gap in our equity plan, I would like to know, you know, I really need to do that work and would love assistance doing that work so that that can be included in the next strategic plan so that we can say like right now, my biggest thing is retention. Like how do we make, what kind of training do we give staff that isn't about like recruitment, but about how do you create equitable places for people to actually work in, right? Like we are piloting that whiteness at work program. And I think that's gonna be really important for our staff to take as a larger group. So my goal for the next strategic plan is to build out those sort of trainings and recruit like tools to keep us, like to make sure we're retaining a diverse workforce because our organization is one built on inclusion instead of it being a recruiting afterthought. You know what I mean? I'm sorry, I feel like I'm being very esoteric this morning but like I really want to make sure that we're not missing any of these bigger picture things. No, that's super helpful. I don't think you're being esoteric at all. I think that's the wrong word for what I'm trying to say. But yeah, thank you. You're being very specific. I think you're focused on retention. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense to me. Like it's like the sustainability of all these great like, you know, declarations we're making about diversity, equity and inclusion. Like the other day, this is like a big thing and I haven't been able to like share it. We sort of missed the boat on sharing it publicly but we had our very first all women police shift the other day that everyone on shift was a woman and that's a huge deal. I don't think we've ever had that before. And that's a huge deal for us. And you know, I want to make sure that those positions are stay safe and welcoming and that that happens again, you know? It's very cool. Yeah, like all of the stuff that you were just talking about, I feel like it's all under this, you know, 8-2 of like offering an equity awareness curriculum offering, you know, like equity, you know, tool kits and having reached like that, that eight section but that it's also like kind of threw out and right. And that's, I'm like, is that, I don't think that's the role of feedback but it could be down. You know, that's the thing though, it's like so many people have different ideas of what that is, like what that toolkit is. Like I can hand out people like a pamphlet that says accept others, but that means nothing, you know? Like it might just be dated, that means nothing. So it's harder than that. It has to come from the both the bottom and the top and people really need to buy into that, you know, that it's like, how does this benefit them? And that's like the big, that's the big question. I think, you know, saying that, Shayna, like you're saying like, yeah, I do see it in there but I also don't see any specificity that says what that is. And so like, y'all have been really helpful to help determine like what that thing is and what that training is and what it should look like, right? That toolkit for the budget has been super helpful and that because that was a specific thing instead of just saying, have like look at your budget through an equity lens, you guys gave us like a tool to use to do that. And that's really helpful. And I don't think sometimes that gets, these kind of things don't really get down into that sort of nitty gritty. Yeah, and I don't know, I'm just like doing this in my current workplace now too is like going through like how is like white supremacy culture showing up at our work is like so much different. Like to look at retention, it's like looking at like what are our current practices? How are they reinforcing this status quo? How are they making this like an inhospitable work environment for other folks that even if like we don't have like the like language elements to be able to talk about it. Sorry, this is like having me go down a rabbit hole but yeah, that's like a very different practice and a tool kit for looking at it. Okay. There's one other thing that's catching my mind in their equity plan, which is around it's the meaningful partnerships pillar, develop positive and respectful internal and external partnerships that contribute to inclusive decision making. And I guess what's coming up for me, especially in a place like Vermont and small community like Montpelier, who are the kind of other partners in this work that we could be calling into it more than we are? You know, I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of like, you know, the central Vermont chapter of SIRG showing up for racial justice and I think that our kind of applied organization how do we, this is a question, how do we build more connections between those groups and Montpelier city government just to like coordinate but also relying on each other? That's a big question, but I'm curious about how we can strengthen that. Shayna, can we add that conversation to a future agenda because I also would really love to talk about that. I think we should invite someone from school board. I know that high school does so many things on DEI and they also have this restorative practice. So this club and they even ask administration to offer workshop to teachers how to deal with international students and students who have two different culture in their house. You know, so I will be curious to hear from school board what kind of things they are doing because I think one of the strength of Montpelier it's education system at schools. So I think we can learn and we can work with Morph. So I think like if next meeting we kind of debrief the city council presentation and we have really good cities in town, after really good cities, so Montpelier Development pitch us on what we could be doing and then maybe the next meeting. I mean, depending on how this all works out more talk about these partnerships and setting schools. So is that okay? Excuse me, Jan. Yes, and I want to say thank you to Pellin for that idea. I think that's great. Yeah, I'm good. All right, I want to make sure we can close this out here on time. But so I think for next meeting I'm going to reach out to VCRD about having some sort of pitch and then we'll also ask the city council and the interim if what, where we should be focusing our efforts. Jeremy's going to send out the front porch form updates that are built by timeline. Cameron's going to post on the vacancy page and Michael will reach out to Times Argus and the world and email them our status report. Oh, that's for VCRD too. And then for the city council Pellin's going to make the PowerPoint. I'll provide the context. Jeremy will kind of go over what we've done. But Michael will go over the place review committee and then talk about what we can do next and make the stipends pitch as kind of the pieces that I'll do. And is that all of the next steps? I'm missing anything? Sounds great. Cool. Thank you all. Well, I'll see you tomorrow, Michael. And then the rest of you on the 20th to do Sunday. On the computer. Bye. Thank you.