 Mayor Bagley here councilmember Christensen Councilmember a dog will fairing Councilmember Martin here councilmember puck here mayor pro tem rodriguez here and councilmember waters Mayor you have a quorum. All right now. Let's go ahead and start with the Pledge of Allegiance Harold. Would you like to lead us, please? We all do it. I'm counting on you. You gotta do it All you got to do is say I pledge allegiance That's it. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america And to the republic public for which it stands One nation under god All right, thank you herald you did a fantastic job All right, let's go ahead and remind everybody anybody wishing to provide public comment during the public invited to be heard Let's please make sure you're watching live stream of the meeting for instructions When the call in information occurs, you will then get this screen At which point you will be called into the room. You'll be identified by the last two digits your phone number And asked to enter state your address name and then state whatever you want to state As long as it's under three minutes at three minutes. We'll have to cut you off Just because that is the rule. So can I have the screen back, please? Great. Do we have any motions to direct the city manager to add agenda items to the future councilmember christensen? I I know that all of you received the same emails that I may receive So I know you're all aware of this broomfield county or broomfield city council last week. I believe past ordinance Emergency ordinance two one three five temporary prohibition on rental late fees um, I know that um, I sent this to uh um, the city manager and to the city attorney over the weekend and they had or They were already looking at this. So I would like to formally put it on the agenda for a future meeting um, the reason I want to do this is because We are in an emergency and um They're good landlords and they're bad landlords. They're good tenants and they're bad tenants um late fees are for bad tenants who were perpetually wait to let them know that they can't be late because landlord has to pay their mortgage They don't they may discourage Bad tenants, but they don't do anything for good tenants. Good tenants are not late with their rent unless They lost their job They lost their health insurance They um, they sick Any kind of emergency like that We do not want to add to the list of evictions For something like a late rent fee So that's why I would like a second for this emergency measure, which is temporary A temporary prohibition on rental late fees Do I have a second? Second second Thanks All right, uh, it's open for debate whether or not we're going to put this on the agenda. Do we have any comments? All right, I'm going to be voting against it only because uh, I think governments over the last six months are just gone overboard on interference in business the economy our lives and uh If you have a contract, which is what rent is It's basically a lease between two parties. The government has no business getting involved and uh Whether you're a landlord or I mean the anyway, I'm just going to vote against it and I'll fight like mad against it Dr. Waters Thanks very vaguely. Um, I also forwarded the that Um ordinance to the city attorney Uh to get his feedback and um, and I'm not I mean, I think there's a bunch of questions we need to answer uh Both policy and legal, but I'm going to vote to put it On the agenda because I do think we ought to have a serious deep conversation Uh, everything from the role of government relative to these kinds of concerns Uh, to what the what the parameters are for what room field data what we might do Um, so I'm going to vote for it. I think it's a conversation We ought to have and I think we ought to get kind of input from the city attorney when the time comes Um, that will help us make the most informed possible decision All right, all in favor say aye Aye, aye I'll oppose say nay nay All right motion carries six to one. Okay anybody else councilmember peck Thank you, mayor bagley. Um, I would like uh council to bear with me for a moment while I explain my motion I'm going to circle back on our air quality monitoring contract Uh council voted to renew boulder airs contract with an amendment to the addendum to the contract. Thank you very much The addendum states that before boulder air can give a presentation It must submit that presentation to city city staff for monitoring the data and the message which is being presented And this could be a seven day turnaround the amendment to that addendum Is that states that along with submitting the presentation material to staff The presentation will also go to city council for monitoring For monitoring that presentation to see if it adheres to the contract Here's my concern That whole process could take up to two weeks depending upon when that item hits our agenda My opinion is that this is a bit of overreach on boulder airs ability to run their business and uh Do their presentation presentations in a timely manner? I don't think uh, and Eugene would have to answer this, but I don't think it says anything to do with the contract It is just councils Turn around so therefore, uh, I moved that city staff Upon reviewing boulder's airs presentation schedule Send it to city council for their purview within 48 hours of staff's review This is to keep it from stretching out Two weeks when it could hit an agenda Hamstringing boulder airs ability. I'm not sure that again, mayor bagley government has the right to do To try to interfere with when these presentations can or can't be given um So that's my uh, that's my motion Upon reviewing boulder airs presentation schedule Send it to city council for their purview within 48 hours of staff's review Just to move it along council councilman mind um I hope That councilwoman pat has mischaracterized this because Hold up. There's there's there's yet to have a second for the motion. So any comments without a second or out of order Someone wants to make a second All right Okay, council members the key to all go faring second today. Okay councilman martin go ahead And then your next person or christianson I think that this is mischaracterized because the motion was um that It needed to come before council only if it was the decision of the staff that the presentation wouldn't be allowed at all Correct. So, um Well, that's different than what was stated and that's that makes a big difference Uh in terms, you know, it means coming to council once a year or never as opposed to coming to council every time Which was what I understood from uh, the council member peck's free statement So, um, mayor bagley should I restate that uh in a more sure Sure, why don't you go ahead and address that and council member christianson. You'll be after council member peck Thank you So therefore, uh, let me just restate it because uh, if council member martin didn't understand and I didn't state it correctly That's that's an important point. So I moved that city staff up on reviewing boulder airs Presentation schedule and denying it They send it to city council for their purview within 48 hours of staff's denial Of the presentation Is that is that more clear? Uh council member martin I think it is You still second that suzie Okay, council member christianson Usually I was just going to second it but So I I frankly do not think we should have this in here at all I don't think there is any reason for us to second guess what a business is uh You know A scientific presentation. I don't think it's either city city halls Or city staff's Um Purview or city council's purview to stifle intellectual and scientific speech but Given that we've decided to do that. I I applaud council and peck for um bringing this forward because at least it allows dr. Hetlich help helmig should he be found um To be uh told he can't Do a presentation. Um, at least it gives him a little bit more Timely response from us. Thank you. All right. See nobody else. Let's vote all in sorry dr. Waters. Go ahead Um, so just let me work. This is a motion not to bring The contract back to the council Correct. This is a motion to amend The to amend the amended amendment It's basically saying it's a motion to say hey if city if the city staff denies dr. Helmig The opportunity to share or present his data Upon that denial they will have 48 hours to tell us about it so we can overwrite it Should we feel that we should or need to so I so it would help me Let me just make a statement one of the I voted against the amendment amendment to the amendment For several reasons one of which was the length of time it would take to if the staff said no Now it's going to come to the council for the very reason the council member peck is identified in terms of drawing this out but that said um councilman peck if you could just Just to describe what your assumption is If the staff says we're going to deny your opportunity to make this presentation We get it within 48 hours. Then what? Well, then I council member waters, that's a great question and um, I think that's a Eugene question if uh My concern is that if we put it on an agenda it could go another two weeks before it gets on an agenda Which means with the seven days that staff has it has 14 days that it comes back to council Uh boulder air will lose business and do we have the right to do that to a company? Regardless, so um, what how we uh vote on that denial would be a you Eugene question. Can we do it by consensus through a confidential email? Can we um and and that is That would be part of uh How we do that. I don't know that answer Well, I mean I don't know it. I mean the answer. I mean the the way I mean just the way it always works is either I'd put it on the agenda on tuesday you guys would vote to put it on the agenda um, and that other I guess what also comes to mind is I can't Imagine a scenario where their business model is relying upon the data that Longland is paying to collect Um, and uh, I see a marsher. I see it. It's okay. I'll get to you. Just a second. Hold on. Um, and the uh, and I think that uh Uh And if he's going to give it, I mean, I imagine that he'd be using the data to give a presentation And I can't imagine a scenario where all of a sudden it's like the next day or two days or three days from now He'd have to have permission in order to You know present to a local political group So I mean, I I I guess I I guess what I'm saying is I don't know um I don't know I don't see a reason why this would be any different than any other topic that we that we deal with as a council but councilman martin So I think there are a couple of of Misconceptions floating around the first and the reason I was waving at you mayor bagley Is that it's not about the data Um, it's our data not his data But it is his scientific analysis, which in it is an entirely different thing The city of longmont should not have Get in the business of suppressing scientific analysis even if we did pay for the analysis To be done And so that's why I didn't want the mayor to keep saying data um The second thing is that I don't It's it's my opinion And we probably would need a city attorney to weigh in on this. It's my opinion That that the city didn't actually intend this to have the staff ever suppress the scientific Analysis, they just wanted to review the words to make sure that they didn't inadvertently Make a statement about city policy And the staff doesn't isn't isn't likely to do that, you know, so they're not likely to suppress anything But the way the paragraph was written It said that they could suppress it I am happy with any language that says they can't suppress it. They can only Change the wording to take the city's To make sure that it does not misrepresent the city of longmont so, um You know speeding it up Fine taking it out entirely But taking out the words that says that, you know, give it making Making it so that the staff has to make their edits in a reasonable amount of time That's fine, too. We just need to get that language out of there That says that they can stop it Now we probably should ask the city attorney whether it was intentional that um The staff have the power to stop a scientific paper or presentation So i'm asking Eugene Mayor and council, uh my understanding that and you know, I was not administering the contract with my understanding that this provision was intended to uh address a situation where dr. Helmig was presenting city data before the city got it And so we need to know What our data is before he is presenting it we paid for it. It's in his contract. He has deliverables um It wasn't meant to suppress But if he hasn't provided the data to the client first We thought that he should not be presenting it to the public So that's different than the way it was presented to us last week um And again, we have this little bit of confusion between thoughts and data um You know if if I mean I could kind of agree that we should know what the conclusions from the Data are before they are presented outside um But again that gets into allowing the staff to hold something up for a long time So it sounds really to me like this has not been thought through well enough but Dale Mayor bagley and members of council, you know listening to this discussion It sounds similar to the one that we had last week And I think I said at that time it was never staff's intent to deny The ability of dr. Helmick to make a presentation um I am fine removing that um Condition if you will from the contract As Eugene said our interest is not being surprised by something that's out in the public realm And our responsibility to the council to be able to notify you that You know presentation is being made. It's this data and so on and so forth. It's never the intent to deny Certainly, uh, you know the ability to present Valid data and the analysis of that data and so Couple of things since last week We've modified the contract to to you know modify that deny issue The dr. Helmick assigned the contract. It's ready for the mayor's signature. I don't believe that's happened yet So the timing is fine. If you want us to Remodify I think if you want to give us that direction tonight I I believe And like Eugene, I wasn't in the middle of all the the back and forth on the contract terms, but More than happy to engage on that I think I got a pretty good sense of the council's interest Um, but but that is why we had a clause in there So that we were not in an awkward position of not knowing What the data was let along what the analysis was Um prior to it being made public But I think we can we can finesse that wording. We got the understanding And none of us are going to be in the position of denying somebody making a presentation So what does that leave us with motion? Where does that leave us it leaves us with the motion on the floor? um That's it and then council uh dr. Waters Thanks very vaguely. Um, I'm gonna vote against the motion not big and I think I might agree with it ultimately But I this is not the way In my view, this is not the way we go about Editing contract language. It's not in front of us. It was there last week I appreciate the the concern and the sentiment. I'm not I'm not being critical of anything other than process um I if the contract hasn't been signed to bring it back so we can at least eliminate the confusion clearly there's confusion There was last week and it just feels to me like we're not gonna I'm not certain I can answer the questions. Well, and I've been listening about exactly what the parameters would be for dr. on me with what we're talking about so I may if I had a chance to see that language in the amendment that's being proposed might vote for it, but I but the process is just not one that That I think makes sense for a body like this As an approach to editing contract language, so I'm gonna vote no for that reason I would prefer maybe to see somebody make a motion to bring it back Move it to bring it back on on on an agenda so we could all be clear on exactly what we're voting on In what the language requires Councilor beck Thank you, mayor bagley and thank everybody for your discussion. Um, I am going to withdraw that motion then and make a new one That I would like us to direct staff to bring back the boulder air contract With two things removing that first paragraph About The presentation being reviewed by staff and the reason I feel this way is that In the shared agreement part of the Con of the addendum it actually addresses the research and the shared part of that agreement um Is sharing it with researchers or other educational? Departments or universities I feel that that is where that is addressed in this addendum the very first paragraph I would like Okay, I moved to direct staff to bring back this contract removing that first paragraph about city staff reviewing all the presentations that Dr. Boulder air is Lining up to present Or and I want to I want to bring back two two versions One of them amending that first paragraph and one of them taking it out So that we can see as a council What the difference is and where this leaves us in having a solid contract and understanding it So that we can uh, all agree that this is a good solid contract both for the city and for both boulder air So can you summarize that for me mayor batley? Yeah, let me do that in just a second councilor pat councilmember christensen Sorry, I would second that but I would also like to say that I I I would second that because I I do feel that it is already in the contract That dr. Helmichman may not make policy discussions for the city and speak on behalf of the city that's Obvious, but it's in the contract and I think that resolves everything he may make Do a scientific analysis and um That's what he does for a living and I'm pretty sure that's all he's really interested in doing Um after going through all this. Um, so I would second that I think It is better to have a have contracts that are as clear And as simple as possible given how There are very few really simple contracts, but there is no need to make something that is more unwieldy and uh Causes more time for staff and more stress with the The other signer of the contract there has to be some sort of um Equality of agreement so um, I would second that I guess the uh, I guess the so there's a motion on the floor and I'm going to restate the motion which was basically councilmember peck said The motion was to bring back the contract With two versions one removing the first paragraph and another one restating the paragraph in order to limit the staff's ability to Deny dr. Helmig The ability to share his data and conclusions Um, they somehow summarize that good enough Councilor peck, thank you. Okay. I guess the only thing that I'm thinking is I've been in I've been in law long enough to know that Whenever you hire an expert and rely on him and then put all your eggs in that basket It can bite you What happens if he's got flawed data and it comes back that his conclusions don't support what you think they're going to say I personally would want to know that before he goes public with it I want the opportunity to Um, maybe reanalyze that data talk to dale about it talk to ugine about it. Tell him don't release that report um I'm just I'm just saying that uh Uh, I can think of all kinds of reasons why it would be wise to have access to the information Before it goes public councilmark christensen Access to that. Isn't it published in real time? I thought it was up on a website and Published in real time. So everyone has access to it already If they want to look it over. Isn't that correct? I don't know But I I thought that was you know, the whole point of this is that People could see this in real time or certainly see it on a daily basis If that's that's the case then this conversation to move dale I don't believe um councilmember christensen and mary bagley The information that is being placed out on the city's website think of that as sort of a uh, a dashboard A summary it is not the raw data Uh, the raw data is behind that Thank you dale All right councilman martin and let's let's try to let's try to minimize comments We have a lot to get through tonight and I know I know This is just a fraction of what we as a city council need to be need to be dealing with right now Yeah, so here's here's the deal the what's on the website is is as City deputy city manager ratamaker said it's it's just the tip of the iceberg It's an early warning system but um The knowing what mayor bagley said That one should know before releasing it would be very nice, but it's not knowable I mean what he described is the entire scientific peer review process So if dr. Helmig is going to publish something Um or present some interim findings. They're not peer reviewed yet. It's a common occurrence that That something like that has to be retracted, but the city of longmont scientists as good as they are are Not going to be able to to make uh a ruling on something like that, you know, that's why we hire Someone who is purportedly a leader in the field And the only people who can call him out on an error are the other leaders in the field so um that and that's exactly why we we don't want to be able to suppress it at all and and it's um it's really What I don't like about council member peck's second motion is that it appears to me that That we did not sufficiently consider the requirements for review and what our objective was and we have we've had people stated at least two different ways and I think three so um my suggestion Would would be to let it stand as it is while the city attorneys consider um a more streamlined version of that clause that that does that gets the requirements right and um doesn't allow for the suppression of scientific conclusions but does give the city the ability to edit wording or or You know say hey wait a minute. This is city policy. You need to stay away from that part Which I think was the only intent Thank you. Um, uh councilman martin That's exactly why I asked for the two Sorry, erin you're next. I'd see you know either to take it out or to bring it back amended Which would be some of the language that you just stated and um And and I agree with you. Yeah, I know where you were going is I I think that the the amendment Basically states that to bring back an amended version of that or a better explanation of of that first paragraph And then as a council we get to decide Which never may for tim roedriguez Thank you, mayor bagley I guess I'm not sure that We are going through all of this effort for a specifically good reason in the concept that I think Dr. Helming agreed to the original contract language As well has apparently agreed to the new amended language And I think that's because This wouldn't be a problem a man of his discipline would likely know how to Give presentations in a way that are not going to infringe upon The contract rights of say the city of longmont in this particular instance or in any other instance And so I don't think it was ever problematic for dr. Helming necessarily to agree to these contracts amended or unamended As in it just simply would not infringe upon his Ability to operate his business as he sees fit um, so I think that we're we're just going through a lot of trouble for For not really the right reasons. I do understand the Concept that it would appear that we'd be infringing upon his rights to speak freely about his work But I just don't I don't see that he would agree to both of these contracts So freely if that were truly the case So I'm just not sure we're barking up the right tree So I don't I don't think I can I think we should whatever we can do to just get going forward on this contract Is probably more benefits in longmont as far as the monitoring process is concerned Then arguing over some contract language that dr. Helming had no problems with one way or another Thank you I think that's wise counsel. Thank you um, Eugene May or sorry to interject. I'm not clear. So I understand the first version which is remove the bullet point I'm not clear exactly what the second amended version is Is it with the 48 hours to counsel the first motion? Or is it a different concept that I should be drafting? I don't know Eugene Dale Let me let me try one mayor vaglain and members of council Two things I want to make you aware of one is is that his contract Ended on august 31st, which is why we had it in front of you at the meeting we did Which is why we've had him executed and it's ready for the mayor's signature. So timing is sort of important I think right now I understand the council's desire to remove I I'm looking to remove The the staff's ability to deny And and bring back a version that essentially takes that out If we can do that if we could execute the contract as it is now Bring that amendment back for you at a regular meeting in september We won't have a lapse in his contract, which I think is an important thing given that this is continuous air quality monitoring um I think we can manage that it'd be difficult for us to get it to the next regular meeting because that Packets ready to roll And and if we're not careful, we're going to be towards the middle or into september at a regular meeting for you guys to act on it So if that could be considered, I think that's a path forward to get us through tonight So john do you mind so what I would suggest is I sign it Um, I instruct herald right now to put it on a future agenda um a contract amendment Removing staff's ability to die deny dr. Helmig The ability to use his data And then we can just he can get going on the contract He can get continue with his monitoring It gets put on the agenda we accomplish what I think you're trying to accomplish And we just we just get it done. Is that okay? That sounds great. Thank you dale and mayor bagley Okay, so so herald if if you could just put that on a future agenda make note It's public record that the mayor is asking for that. So thank you. Thank you. All right anything else on this issue guys All right, perfect anything else All right, then let's move on to public and let's move on to public invited to be heard Let's go ahead and take a brief break while we open it up and let people call in All right be back in four minutes guys, please. Thank you. I see four of us Five of us and we're just waiting on pauline jones There's jones paulie are you within your shop? Mayor while we're waiting i'm going to go ahead and admit these callers. We have seven callers tonight Callers while you are joining the meeting. Welcome to the city council meeting for uh, september 1st Just like to remind you to please mute the livestream In the background as you come into the meeting so you can hear us speaking to you and you can Speak your comments without any trouble Let me know mayor when you're ready for the first one All right, we're ready. Let's go ahead Caller will callers will identify you with the we got one more coming in Uh by the last three numbers of your phone number. I'm going to start with caller number 297 How many do we have? We now have eight Caller phone number ending in 297 gonna unmute you Please state your name and address for the record Caller 297 can you unmute yourself? Hi, this is truman bradley from the marijuana industry group. Are you able to hear me? We can hear you perfectly. Mm-hmm Hi, I live at 29 30 van street in weeridge colorado and I was just calling to say thank you for considering delivery It looks like medical only is currently what's being discussed But um, we just encourage long want to consider delivery first and foremost for medical Um, as well as ultimately recreational. I think it's um, what keeps people the safest I know that several licensees have testified saying that they don't think it's a great idea Um, but that's not a reason to make a rule against it Um, you know in this day and age a lot of people prefer to get delivery. I think it's the way of the future cannabis is the only industry in colorado that was deemed essential that doesn't have delivery right now and My feeling is you know, if an individual business does or doesn't want to do it as long as it can be done safely Which I think it certainly can be Um, then why not go for them? I mean it's 2020 Um, so thank you respectfully and um, happy to take any questions, but that's it Thank you, sir All right next caller My apologies caller with phone number ending in 499. I'm going to unmute you 499 can you unmute yourself? State your name and address for the record Sorry one more time caller 499. Can you unmute yourself? State your name and address for the record Let's try the next one. Okay. We'll come back to 499 caller 584 Going to unmute you. Please. I'm Please go ahead and state your name and address for the record if you can unmute yourself caller 584 All right, let's go to the next one. All right Moving on caller 777 your phone number ends in 777 Can you unmute yourself and state your name and address for the record? Hello Hello, we can hear me fine. Yes, we can finally. Okay. I am 499 This is doe kelly. I live on barberry drive in longmont Okay Good evening to you all. I have what I think is a big question for you Should you decide without further an extensive study that an acceleration of the proposed AMI aka smart meter program is warranted Will you be offering the residents of longmont a complete informed consent? Will you inform them that there could be adverse health consequences for them or their loved ones? simply with the added electromagnetic load of a smart meter pulsating microwaves on and through their dwelling Or will you let them know the addition of a wireless smart meter is a threat to both their privacy as well as their security? Will you tell them that the pollinators already in steep decline Will now receive an even greater dose of microwave radiation Than that which is already ambient in the environment as invisible electro smog Will you show them the studies that prove wildlife is also adversely affected by increasing electromagnetic radiation? according to peer reviewed science Alternatively, will you inform us the citizenry that wired metering is private secure? provides more accurate billing resists hacking and last but not least does not emit harmful microwave radiation on a 24 seven basis that kills birds bees and butterflies I spoke to you in february of this year on the dangers inherent in microwave radiation And our current cultural paradigm I told you of my own experiences of becoming electro sensitive When the next light wireless internet was installed in our home four years ago I have also spoken twice to the sustainability advisory board Where I implored them to deeply study the proposed smart meter rollout before giving their recommendation to the council I implored them to call in tim shekali phd And internationally recognized and sought after expert on wired and wireless communications Tim is the expert's expert having been in on the development of this entire field of technology from the very beginning I continue to strongly advocate for a study session or presentation that features tim And I believe this is warranted before any decisions are made on am I Tim lives in boulder he and his expertise are available to us all Why are we not taking advantage of that which is before our eyes and under our noses? So now another question we all deserve an answer to will the city of longmont be fully insured against health related or other liability claims Such as fires started by smart meter. Should we roll out am I here? We the residents of longmont deserve to know if our taxes will pay for liability claims From the use of a soon to be obsolete technology according to tim That to my knowledge insurance carriers will not insure Wireless smart meters have a wide range of problems such as sustainability security privacy human health issues longevity and obsolescence Compared with analog technology including fiber Longmont can again take international leadership in the field of sustainability and innovation Through deeply considered wise wired choices. Thank you very much All right. Thank you next caller mayor next caller is Last three digits are five eight four Color five eight four. You should be able to unmute yourself color five eight four Color five eight form and muting you Unsuccessfully Dawn make sure that you've checked that allow on the bottom. Yes, I have yes. It's unchecked. They can unmute themselves. Okay All right, everybody listening to the live feed Um, we're gonna go ahead and try twice And if you don't unmute yourself within the first 15 seconds We're gonna go on to the next person and then we're gonna push at the end of the line Because we're wasting a lot of time. So don't let's just go ahead and do that All right, mayor, and if everybody would please remember to mute the live stream I think there's a 30 second delay people hear the instruction 30 seconds later which causes some challenge. So we'll skip five eight four. We'll go to seven seven seven caller with phone number ending in seven seven seven You should be able to unmute yourself Caller seven seven seven So don't are you saying that there's a 30 second delay between you saying that and then them unmuting themselves If they're listening to the live stream for instruction instead of into their phone. Yes Does that make sense that callers then they're listening their tv or the computer Right, then we'll need to wait at least 30 seconds plus 15 so um We'll need uh, no that's problematic it yes I'm gonna continue caller seven seven seven your phone number ends in seven seven seven Please unmute yourself and state your name and address for the record And we might want to include that They need to be listening to their phone rather than the live stream from now on the instructions Yes, mayor, we do have it there. We say please mute the live stream, but we can For that and I've heard that but I've always assumed it was because of background noise Hello Very good caller seven seven seven. We can hear you. Please state your name and address for the record Yes, uh, thank you mayor bagley and council members. Uh, my name is aid melendez I am at 15 43 south coughman I'm calling on the concerns of the light that is being put up at coughman and pike I've been at 15 43 south coughman in southmore park since 1981 Throughout the years the neighborhood has slowly evolved to where there are more families with the younger kids And our concern is the neighborhood In the neighborhood is the growing number of vehicles that are being funneled Down our street from the town of prospect and pike The amount of traffic is a big concern and the speed of the vehicles is also a very big concern We in the neighborhood did not believe that the light is appropriate for a residential neighborhood The residents in this neighborhood were not made aware that a light was being installed And that our street was going was going to become a collector street We are now seeing the impact of that decision in the increase And the amount and speed of the vehicles going through That has made south coughman a lot busier and a lot more dangerous And we believe that it will only get worse in the future We are very worried of the decision that was trust upon us In this neighborhood Thank you All right, thank you sir next caller Okay, mayor the next caller is um Phone number ending in nine three two Phone number ending in nine three two you should be able to unmute yourself Please state your name and address for the record Hi, my name is carolin towers. Can you hear me? Yes, we can please go ahead Okay, i'm at 1534 south coughman street Good evening mayor bagley council members And with you again tonight to talk to you about the traffic signal being installed at the corner of pike roads and south coughman street This week i thought i will start outlining which codes ordinance and standards are being overridden in order to place this light at this location I decided to begin with the envision long hot plan growth framework Local street definition functional priority access only limited mobility continuity. No continuity is required Triplex within neighborhoods and business centers traffic control stop signs This right here explains why there are no other traffic signals placed on the local residential street in town And explains why there are streets such as missouri collier and meadow that have been dead ended to protect the neighborhood residents from excessive cut through traffic One stop three a neighborhood character Work with residents to define and reserve desirable characteristics of neighborhoods 2.1 g transportation facility designs Mitigate the impact of transportation facilities on noise light and air pollution safety hazards and aesthetics through appropriate Tractive control facilities design and site design on both public and private property adjacent to the transportation facility Work with adjacent neighborhoods to balance transportation needs and facility design with neighborhood character when widening roads or constructing new roadways Again, the use of appropriate traffic controls is defined by the standards and codes The other issue here is that the city staff has told me as they never completed an acoustical analysis for the pike road improvement project This project has potential for serious negative impacts to the residents in the existing neighborhoods, especially south more parks This is a city standard that is required by all developers that are developing along state or federal highways arterials or railroad tracks And the city did not think it necessary to do an analysis of how it would impact these residents Are they exempt from their own standards? 2.2 c roadway system provide a safe and efficient roadway system that encourages The use of arterial streets for cross town and regional traffic Encourages the use of collectors to channel traffic between neighborhoods and arterials Discourages the use of local streets put through traffic The light at this intersection is allowing traffic to cross and arterial and travel through our residential neighborhood It will also be legitimizing our street as a through street for commuters who get stopped by the traffic signal Endangering our children in general residential safety 6.3 c circulation and access. There are several items here, but I am highlighting this one that pertains to our residential street Maintaining truck routing plans and regular regulations that use collector streets through industrial areas And arterial streets to facilitate access to lawn moths economic centers and corridors And that minimize truck travel through residential neighborhoods We see many trucks traveling our street to access businesses on the south end of south caution street With the traffic signal at this location and not on a collector street such as south scrap parkway Vehicles including these delivery trucks that are well over the seven ton limit Will be going out of their way to utilize our streets across over into prospect That is all for tonight. Thank you for listening to my concern Have a good evening Thank you next caller May you're the next caller? Let me just get there next call your phone number ends in 584 caller 584 There you go. Please state your name and address for the record Yes, my name is Marty Pfeffer and I live in Lafayette I Come to Longmont a lot and I have friends that live there um I am alarmed and disappointed that the city of Longmont It's considering a move to convert the city's electricity electric utility metering system to a smart meter advanced metering infrastructure I am sensitive to emf electromagnetic field And my health is adversely affected by overexposure to the microwave radiation with which Smart meters and other devices operate And I have greatly appreciated Longmont's commitment to keeping the analog meters in town Um a few years ago. I was considering I was working in Longmont And saw all the meters on the street and looked at them and realized they were analogs and I um So I called the city of Longmont's utility department Just to kind of ask about the meters and I was told Plain Blank Longmont will never have smart meters um, so That sounded certain and enlightened and I was reassuring. So I'm wondering what has changed in the city's um um purposes and I can't think the right word anyway, um US military has long known that exposure is damaging on a cellular level Exposure to a microwave radiation and has strict guidelines for protection of its personnel That are much lower along with those in other developed countries And more protective than the levels approved by the us federal communications commission It's common knowledge that the FCC's guidelines are long overdue for review and complete revision Based on the advance of scientific knowledge beyond the lack of understanding of the late 1940s when they were created There have been updates into the 1990s, but they're still inadequate and still claiming To post-world war two misconceptions that the only standard of measure of effects should be um thermal or heating symptoms Anyone who is the least bit sensitive meaning they can actually feel their own body's response to exposure to microwaves knows that heating Is but one indirect and subtle symptom if at all the full effects are on many other levels that manifest themselves Over time from cumulative exposure even after removal from the exposure It is a great miscarriage of justice and right practice for society that our local communities Are so misinformed and misled by the federal direction and so in good faith blindly pursue such a risky path for the welfare of its citizens I just would like to urge you to um Use the precautionary principle Which is that if there is any question at all and if there is any potential harm for any new technology and there is massive amount of worldwide question um Then all precaution should be made to go slow with caution until certainty can be reached with a lot of study And expert testimony, etc. And I would just like to reiterate um All right, sir I'm gonna have to cut you off because that's a little over three minutes, but we appreciate your your voice Thank you Okay, thank you All right next caller Mayor the next caller is caller's phone number ending in three seven zero caller three seven zero You should be able to unmute yourself. Please state your name and address for the record Hello Yes, please go ahead. My name is Thank you. My name is sarah web and I live at one six one five grant court I'm calling because um, there's been talks about changing the guidance for short-term rentals I just wanted to quickly tell a little bit about why I'm a short-term rental odor in long months I'm in the military. Um, and I purchased a home in colorado because it's where I'm from And I wanted to ensure that I would have a home in colorado is rent and property values increased Since I'm a military member and I will be deploying soon having a short-term rental allows me to Be able to pay my mortgage and not have to put my items in storage when I deploy which I will be doing in february of this year I've generated over five hundred dollars in revenue for the city I've allowed a family looking for medical care to stay here comfortably And I've brought tourism in from lion's for cohen's boulder other places where there isn't as much availability or it's more expensive So I'm hoping that hearing more personal stories. Um about why people will have short-term rentals in the city Will help you to understand why the permit process is already awesome. We're already permitted. We're already paying. We're generating taxes and revenue We're bringing tourism in but it also helps people who have different lifestyles than You may know of to maintain and keep their homes in long months I think instead of shutting it down or changing the program completely if we could do things like say there's Violations or police calls since we are permitted Maybe we can work on some kind of way to have those people who are violating or not being good stewards In the city of longmont have repercussions while the people who are paying taxes being permitted and doing the right things will also Providing benefits to the city themselves and tourism aren't penalized for something like that um, I appreciate you listening and hearing my story and I thank you Thank you very much next caller Collar with phone number ending in seven nine five callers seven nine five Please unmute yourself and state your name and address for the record Hi there. Can you hear me? Yes, we can go ahead Hi, this is erin spieth with native roots in denberg We are largely in favor of this Rule to adopt delivery for the city of longmont But one revision that we would like to suggest is in six seventy two thirty part i Which is on page 22 Of the red lines in the packet for this study session We would like to ask that the city replace the word city with the word state This would mean that should additional jurisdictions opt in to marijuana delivery nearby stores in good standing with the city and with the state Could participate and continue serving longmont patient community This would also allow those same stores to introduce new tax revenue to longmont Which has to our play to have is unable to contribute In february We surveyed 97 medical shoppers at our unincorporated long-run location They were asked if medical cannabis delivery became available Would you use the service? Over 88 percent of people surveyed said yes, and this was pre-pandemic We think that those patient voices should be at the forefront of the conversation around longmont opting in to marijuana delivery In that same section of the red line six seventy two thirty part i We would also like to see the inclusion beginning next year Of marijuana transporter licensees by saying in conjunction with the state licensed medical marijuana center Or marijuana transporter license with a valid delivery permit Would allow stores to outsource delivery to a licensed transport But longmont at the forefront of the discussion around social equity By giving stores the opportunity to partner with social equity licensees who have historically Been denied the opportunity to partner in the industry in a meaningful way So that's why native roots uh support Longmont opting in a marijuana delivery. Thank you All right. Thank you next caller All right mayor next caller's phone number ends in four one eight caller four one eight You can unmute yourself and begin speaking Caller four one eight All right mayor. I'm oh, there we go. Please state your name and address Yeah, i'm stan toll i'm a long-term resident of the city of longmont and the reason i'm calling is because Um, there seems to be this thing of throwing together or ordinance against people living in uh our you know vehicles and rvs and you know, I kind of have a feeling that You know, you're doing this in a pandemic when most people particularly people that are living in uh vehicles and rvs They don't have power or internet ability to get hold of people And to get on the city council, it's taken me like four months to figure out how to do this And so I've got a couple of questions for council um, you have this anti living in rv ordinance how many residents did you involve that are living in rvs in the discussion of this ordinance does it can anybody answer me that Anybody on the council answer how many of people living in vehicles were brought into the process of this ordinance Stan we don't we typically don't we don't answer or or respond to questions. This is your time This is your three minutes to say whatever you want Well, well, I I think the answer I haven't gotten any answer to that um, the other thing is is that Uh, I don't think anybody that's been living in in vehicles Was even contacted. It's sort of like if you had something where you're shutting down a bunch of businesses along along, let's say a street And you don't contact those businesses I don't think that I think you're required to at least Inform people that there's something going on that's going to influence that The other question I have is that I You're supposed to people are supposed to have a notice and then um a notice that they can have a hearing and Before let's say their vehicle is impounded um I have something at in this in the municipal court And I think people there have been informed about that I've asked for a hearing because I've been getting these notices Threatening to impound my vehicle and then I'm not getting a A notice where I can have a hearing on that issue and I think mayor brett bad Bagley asked about You know, what what's the requirement? Well, that's um, I think it's um Shabbat use or something like that. I'm having a little trouble reading it because all of a sudden It, you know, I don't have any light where I'm at But unfortunately stand that's just over three minutes. We're gonna have to touch a short, but thank you I haven't called for five folks to get out on here five months This is the first time I've called through here Well, that that will you and you can call back in next week for your three minutes Yeah Well, the thing is is that you're doing legislation without allowing people to have public comment Stand stand if you want to call back in on the second reading or call back in next week with your three minutes That's fine. Okay But we we we cut everybody off at three minutes, but thanks Okay. Well, I want some answers to my questions All right, we could you can reach out to any council member and we can take this offline But thank you. All right next taller Mayer the last caller phone number ends in one four eight Caller your phone number ends in one four eight. Please unmute yourself and state your name and address for the record Hey, good evening everybody. My name is adam Cole and I'm also another native roots representative alongside my calling Aaron a colleague Aaron Spies And kind of my tenure with native roots, you know, my most recent two years. I've acted as a customer experience manager in addition to a project manager And you know first and foremost like I would like to echo Aaron that pre-pandemic We did an internal survey of 97 medical shoppers in our longmont facility And 88 point something we're in support of this again pre-pandemic and can everybody can reach us for confirmation We can hear you perfectly Okay, wonderful. Um, so, you know With that pool granted the sample size is not incredibly large. It's under 100 But having an 88 plus buy-in before traveling and Being exposed to public places became a nationwide health concern and mandates by the cdc are starting to restrict people and their ability to Actually go out in public Um, I can only imagine and I think everybody on this call could fairly assume that If we did that same pool again that 88 percent would increase um, just just out of the concern of public safety and You know, one thing I'd like to note We currently are the only licensed dispensary in the state who is currently providing our medical member patients with marijuana delivery services We've been engaged in this practice since about late march slash early april I can tell you that I personally facilitated the very first delivery in the state of colorado And I'd like to provide a little bit of the patient testimonial here to really outline that This conversation about medical delivery for patients is in support of patients and this gentleman Diabetic Do not have a driver's license predispose conditions and he took he took public transit to get everywhere Well, now with covet this individual can't take public transit He lives alone has no family in the state And it was a godsend for him for me and a colleague to be able to walk up knock on his door with his order And provide his medicine for the next month and he's you know, he's like i've been praying for this for years and You know, that's just that's just one case story And I'd like to provide another one just to give another concrete example of some of the ways that we're impacting lives in a positive fashion um example number two We have a homebound patient that lives in a nursing facility And given the nature of covet in the state of the pandemic These individuals that live there are not allowed to leave the ground by any means And she's been a long-standing patient of ours, but with covet restrictions She no longer had access To the medicine that helped alleviate her pain to improve her quality of life Now does everybody have the same experience in cannabis and get that relief that really does make their day better and you get her operate No, but we have thousands and thousands of anecdotal and right in front of your face examples of where it has helped improve the quality of life So that was just another one where we were able to operate We showed up to the nursing facility The patient themselves handed their id to the receptionist while we had a line of sight to the patient Because in terms of id verification we need to make sure that hey the person on the id is getting this product Receptionist handed us the id we verified the person standing behind the receptionist handed the product right over to her very smooth transaction And she makes an order once a month to have a monthly supply of medicine So she's not having to you know I'm gonna have to catch up Yep, if you're we're quite a bit over but we appreciate your comments Thank you. Um, you know, thank you. Thank you all very much and and you know I'm just gonna close with public safety has not been an issue. We've invested in camera vans that have Dead bolted safes inside all of these vans. We have gps tracking showing every step of the way We only carry out limited inventory. We're never leaving with a bunch of cash Returns of best practices. We got we got it. I'm gonna have to cut you off. But thank you. All right All right, thanks. All right That concludes public first call public and actually our only call public invited to be heard because it's our study session Let's everybody doing okay All right, so let's go ahead and move on to our kovat 19 update by herald Our mayor council based on time and the other items we have on the agenda Unless there's any specific questions about numbers I'm not going to go into the graphs. I'm gonna ask sandy to talk about some of the programs we have The one thing I did want to point out is that the current five-day average Percent positive pcr is at 1.7 and the overall average is down to 4.14 The numbers have trended up a little bit But they haven't hit the most recent peak On a daily basis when we were at approximately Um posted 25 cases in one day Um If council wants to look at those graphs, um, I can show them or you can go to the boulder county website I didn't get the update from jeff's aeach today. But as soon as I get it, we'll send that to council I do see one question. All right, mayor pro tem Thank you, mayor bagley. Uh, just a quick question as I see it reported in the paper They report the boulder county numbers and then they separately report the university numbers. Are they specifically breaking those out? Or they including those In the county numbers They are including those in the county numbers, um in terms of the university And so what we what we can tell you today is so boulder now has 879 cases and long wanton has 773 Which are now over 100 In terms of what we've seen But they're supposed to be including those in the county numbers Okay, just they didn't make it clear The way they reported. So I was just curious how they're accounting them. Thank you. Yeah All right Sandy you're up Hello, mayor bagley and members of council sandy cedar assistant city manager One of the conversations that I saw over email with council members was really asking about what are the things that we're doing today to help folks I think council member christiansen asked this question along with the request about the broomfield ordinance information about that So I thought I'd just share a couple things I did send a flyer to the city council on Friday that kind of went through some of the different pieces that we're In the middle of assisting with so I'd like to share my screen for just a moment And show you This is the flyer that I sent to it was both in english and in spanish And I just wanted to go briefly through what's happening in order to help people through this pandemic So first and foremost our partners at boulder county have just been phenomenal being able to offer all kinds of programs Some of this funding does come from the federal cares funding That has been directed into existing Services similar to these things like rental assistance and mortgage assistance So if people are struggling with their rent or struggling with their mortgage calling the boulder county housing helpline Is the right answer to be able to access some of those funds On the utility side, we do have about 1700 households at this point that are to the point of shut off with their utilities if we were shutting off Obviously, we're not doing that and we're also not accruing late fees or any of those types of Fees for utilities, but in the meantime what we've done is we've taken that list of households And we actually have a few staff members who have been willing to Call each of the households to try to get them hooked up with the energy outreach colorado funds that the our center has been granted They've been given $100,000 to be able to help people to pay for that utility assistance And we understand that if they use that funding there may be some more behind it also from the cares funding on the federal side So we're trying to make direct contact and really help people karm and calls it a warm handoff To try to make sure that they understand how to fill out the forms and that they have some assistance Or a liaison in order to help them get those utilities paid The other thing is that we have all kinds of other assistance that we have on our website If you go to the coronavirus relief fund Relief page, you'll be able to see all sorts of tabs that say how do I get help for my business? How do I get help from my for child care, etc. Etc. We have all that information on the website Happy to take any questions Mayor I think you're on mute Thank you ongoing efforts appreciated All right Okay, let's move on to uh study session items number six a Let's start with the possible code changes to allow for medical marijuana delivery Good evening mayor Don Quintana city clerk. I'm just going to pull up our We have a very brief presentation for you The bulk of our content was in the packet But just to review what is before you tonight We're looking for direction whether or not to bring back ordinances that would make these changes So the first section of changes that we brought forth mayor I believe you directed us back in june to bring back medical marijuana delivery in light of the COVID pandemic To allow people to receive delivery of their medical marijuana So we have drafted some changes to our code that would allow that basically we Sorry, let me back up for a second We do have various staff members with us tonight in case you have questions tim whole city attorney's office helped draft these Michelle Sebastian from the city clerk's office our lightning licensing coordinator Also, uh, two of our master police officers David kennedy and sarah arney are here to also answer questions if you have those so Apologize for forgetting to mention that But basically the medical marijuana Legislation that is drafted and before you in your packets Would follow statutory rules we provided a link to rule three dash six one five they're very comprehensive rules and cover things like Inventory tracking record keeping verification of the patient One of the callers spoke to that in fact the three Differences that we included wore were to make sure that they adhered to long month store hours In keeping with the storefront. So that was fair We included a requirement at the suggestion of one of the Licenses to require a body cam recording for deliveries for extra security um, and then also at the recommendation of one of the the Licenses was the prohibition of use of an off-site storage facility to fill orders thereby requiring that orders are filled from a store within long month. We did limit the um The allowance to just licensees licensed by city of long month. I think Miss Spies who spoke from native roots a bit ago during public invited her one suggestion Was to change the word from city to state that would Change who can deliver within city limits and that would be a good question For you all the way we have drafted it would only be allowed delivery would only be allowed By a licensee licensed by the city of long month At this point in time. We have one licensee who has a medical License, but we do have four total licensees again native roots as you know is not one of those licensees They sit just outside our city limits And finally we did not because of the very Limited scope because we have so few licensees. We did not recommend a permitting process We thought you know as long as they're licensed by the state That that would probably be sufficient. So Um Mayor do you want me to pause there and discuss delivery or do you want me to keep going? Two more slides. No keep going keep going. All right The second change is why we were in code that we are bringing forth for you to consider Our changes to chapter 6.70 and chapter 2.68 to adjust the wording To change the secretary role Secretary of the marijuana licensing authority and the liquor licensing authority As we got in there and started really closely looking at code. We uncovered that the secretary As secretary to the authority really sits under that legal umbrella And can't ask questions of the city attorney's office when receiving and processing applications That's troublesome for us. Um, so we've drafted wording to correct that We don't envision much We can we envision that the clerk's office would continue to do the bulk of the work other than Um The authority would designate a secretary who would post the agenda Shouldn't we don't envision that taking much time? We would keep the work But fix that legal issue. So that's that guy and then Also, why we were there a couple other changes. Um, the authority asked under 6.70.180 to add The opportunity to allow the marijuana licensing authority to administratively approve modifications instead of being obligated to set a hearing the reason for that is because Code says that any of our four licensees who modify anything From their first application must come through the modification process Sometimes that's a little cumbersome. We had a licensee recently switched from packaged sale to Deli style sale And that would that required a hearing if the judge had the opportunity to or the authority I should say had the opportunity to administratively approve after reviewing everything That could make that more a little more nimble um And then we also updated 6.70.100 b3 or suggest updating that just to clarify that a marijuana applicant Does have the right to request that their application be put forward to the authority Even if our office says for example, we we feel like your application is incomplete or insufficient That they could go ahead and ask us to put that before the authority and and let the authority make the decision We do that anyway, but that provides Good clarity And then lastly, um as you may or may not be aware The state changed to a third party vendor for fingerprinting a couple years ago Our police department police departments no longer provide fingerprinting services That's outsourcer. Just catching that update While we are at it So that is all of the presentation we have we um Are happy to answer any questions and would need direction on whether or not to go forth with delivery medical delivery um and with our other code changes and lastly just noting we did not bring forth uh recreational delivery because Overall the comments were kind of negative to that. So if you would like us to consider Recreational delivery, we'd be happy to bring something back, but we are not prepared for that All right, can you can we get there we go? All right, um calcimer christiansen sorry, um dawn, thank you very much. I think this uh This was surprising to me because as I read over I thought that the all the marijuana industry Um suppliers and stores would be really gung-ho for this, but they brought forth a lot of um Really detailed explanation about why this can have all kinds of Reprocussions because they are a highly regulated industry and this Seemingly puts them out on the road with some guy driving along with a load of marijuana You know, that doesn't sound too good, but I think you addressed um most of their issues And I thank you for doing that very in a very thoughtful way and I also appreciate the fact that you um Took a look at the The authority and the authority's secretary Um And straightened that out. I wasn't aware of that problem that she couldn't Um consult with the city's attorney. I mean She's here in our office not over with judge frick And and she's dealing mainly with paperwork and contracts And it would be so much easier to be able to talk to the district attorney's office I mean the the city attorney's office. Um So I'm glad you straightened that out the question I have is what is What is um our policy for delivering medical drugs if say someone has diabetes Uh, or they are um In extreme pain and they uh have Um stronger drugs such as um Not heroin but When people are dying they get some very very strong drugs and there are no shape to go get them. Um Nor are there caretakers really What is the policy of getting drugs delivered that are regular drugs, you know, not marijuana because it's to me this should follow the same uh policy The for medical marijuana delivery as we have for Any other um prescription drugs. So what is the difference between this system I don't know. I've never had any I don't take very many drugs anyway So I don't know what the policy is on being able to have them delivered Mayor baggling count the member christianson. I I don't honestly know the answer Pharmaceutical delivery. I don't know if tim you have any idea. I don't know Can I guess I I guess that's a great great question. But let's let's try tonight. We're just looking at The I'm gonna actually make a motion. I move that we direct staff to proceed forward Um pursuant to the slides that we saw on medical marijuana delivery Second All right, it's been moved in second. If there's a motion on the floor. Are there any other comments pertaining to the motion at hand? councilmember christensen Well, this is an opportunity to discuss it. I think it would be useful to discuss it, but So we can discuss it. I just got the motion out there so we can we can that we can do exactly that Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I support that I'll second it Oh, it's already been second councilmember martin Um, I just have one question given that I mean, we did have two local providers be not in favor of this, but of course Uh, there's the ordinance doesn't say that they must provide this service. It says that they may provide this service um but One of them mentioned an alternative and I'm not retrieving the word it was either a caregiver courier or a caregiver Deliverer um, that is that that uh, a private person associated with the patient would have the right to pick up and A supply at the store and deliver it Can can we hear a little bit more about that because I'm kind of in favor of Going on with uh, what mayor bagley says But I I'd like that cleared up first because it's just the question of whether the alternative is reasonable or not Councilmember martin, I believe you're speaking to the caregiver Uh, transport that would that was mentioned in one of the licensees comments Uh, tim, do you know more about caregiver? Well, I believe that they are allowed to designate Okay, tim will need to correct me if I'm wrong designate a caregiver who could then But it has to be designated on their, uh metric file or their file um, and that person could You know pick up product for them and deliver it to their home of one person Um, I don't believe you can have more than one on your file Is that accurate tim am I capturing that correctly? That's more than more or less accurate. This is something that's already in place. Um, So you can designate your your your caregiver to go up pick up medical marijuana for you at the store And and bring them back. Um, they have some specific rules around that that are in that the rules, um But you know, it is a viable alternative that that it currently exists. Um It's pretty straightforward. You designate your caregiver and they go in and pick up for you with proper identification But this just just to be clear though, even if but if somebody That's great if somebody has a caregiver But if somebody doesn't have a caregiver what this ordinance would allow would be for allow those medical marijuana patients to get Delivery of marijuana in their home All right, any other questions councilor peck Thank you very badly. I just want a clarification on the transport Um, and you may have already covered this but when we are talking about transport Delivery are we talking about? Like FedEx or ups or What kind of transport are we talking about? I'm a little confused on that Tim do you want to answer that tim whole? May I back with members of council? I Realize I forgot to introduce myself tim whole assistant city attorney Um, so are you if you're referring to the comment earlier in the evening? That was about a Transporter license It is specific class of license that um previously mostly was transporting from one facility to another facility Part of the change they made in in delivery Was to allow people who have a transporters license To partner with a medical marijuana facility and be their transporter. Um, so they are separately licensed And both would end up having to get a delivery permit from the state And so essentially yes, they could be a service that they that they contact with. I know some people are looking into um various services like drizzly or some other service, um, which transports alcohol Or uber So I guess my question is to follow up on that. Um Let's just take native roots for example, would they have their own employees be the Uh delivery service to their customers or would they contract that out? I'm a little concerned as to where the fuzziness comes and who is going to be handling this product this product That's really important And that's where my transport question came in Uh, is the facility itself responsible for the delivery of this product to someone's home? Or are we going to third party contract it out? Mayor bagley councilmember peck Tim you're welcome to Jump in I think the medical marijuana transporter license would be a third party um Business that they that they contract with to deliver To their patients If you use uh, just a caregiver, that's of course somebody you personally designated designate Right under medical marijuana delivery Um, they they need to be an employee of the of the licensed Uh facility and just to be clear native roots is not one of our licensees So they would not be able to deliver as this is drafted to two people in city limits Okay, thank you for that clarification that anything you want to add tim Go feel free If it clarifies the the standard setup for a medical marijuana delivery permit would be An employee of of the licensee But there is an option to partner with a medical marijuana transporter licensee to have a third party be the person that does that for you Okay, thank you All right, we have a motion on the floor to Uh direct staff to move forward with the presentation comparing and ordinance, which we permit delivery of medical marijuana Um inside the longmont All right, let's go ahead and take a vote all in favor say aye Aye Opposed say nay All right, the motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much tim and don Let's move on to six feet and it's a long housing authority. Harold tell us what's going on with away. Oops. Sorry, uh, erin rodriguez Mayor pro tem Thank you, mayor bagley. I was wondering if staff needed a Motion for the other two pieces about uh the authority in the secretary position point We would love that clarity unless unless we are to imply that that the direction the motion was intended to be go forth with all of that Okay, or in all the ordinances as drafted. That's what I intended there and just to be clear once you go ahead and make the motion and we'll move forward Thank you Thank you. I moved that staff also move forward in Preparation of the ordinances to clarify the role of the authority versus the secretary Second second. Yeah All right, all in favor say aye Aye Aye Opposed say nay All right, the motion carries unanimously All right, they're extra clarified All right, now let's move on to the long my housing authority operations. Harold tell us how you haven't screwed it up yet and what happened? uh mayor council, um Before I start out, I just want to let you know that um on the um on the Item today, I do have Kathy Fedler Karen Roney and Cameron Grant who is The current chair of the longmont housing authority Once we get through the presentation, I will turn this over to Cameron to Add his thoughts the one thing I wanted to say is one of the reasons we wanted to put this on the agenda today Is we have presented this to both um both boards the longmont housing development Corporation and the longmont housing authority. We've also presented this to all the staff of the longmont housing authority following that presentation We gave them a few days to digest the information We then went back to the board to get feedback And we went back to all of the various work groups within the longmont housing authority to give them a chance to Ask us more detailed questions Um before I start the presentation, I do want to say that um, I really need to express my sincere gratitude for all the staff Um with the longmont housing authority and with the city of longmont that has been there to support us through this transition um Our city staff has been phenomenal in this in terms of diving in and trying to figure this out Uh, the longmont housing authority staff have been great And and working with us listening to what we have to say And buying into this concept and and so really for us This was an opportunity to to lay the path forward in terms of what we have to do You all um had or received a copy of the report before we go there When this originally started um The chair and vice chair of the longmont housing authority and cameron can talk about this in more detail later Approached us and we began working with um jillian and longmont housing authority staff And as we started this process we came up with um a staff vision of what we wanted to accomplish And what you really see is integrated partnership leveraging resources building a continuum Um opportunities for our community members in need which we have to continue to underscore through this process That is what a housing authority does Maxify maximize efficiencies and effectiveness pieces have a sustainable model And ultimately we want to create something that other communities want to replicate When we went through the first presentation and we talked to both boards and staff One of the things that that we really came to is the fact our community needs a successful and sustainable housing authority And at the end of the day failure is not an option Um when we look at the numbers that we have in the housing authority Um, we have over 400 units where folks live Many of those units are fully supportive services And we also have in excess of 400 vouchers that we provide I may have missed that number. Kathy can correct me if i'm wrong And that actually allows us to house individuals in private apartments In rental units And so that is a significant impact in terms of providing affordable housing to our community and what we learned is Based on where we were and the issues that we were seeing We couldn't risk that for our community Um, as we began working, I know we've talked to you all um on occasion when we brought the first iga forward um as city staff we went in and we we worked with the housing authority our teammates at the housing authority and We did our own analysis. We then brought in bsh strategies That is really betsy martins who is the former housing authority director for Boulder housing partners, which is the city of boulders housing authority at one point It was part of the city of boulder then it became its own structure And we asked her to come in and analyze the current organization looking at do we have the optimal positions? Um for the size of our housing authority What do we need in terms of support and training needs and then suggesting an ideal structure? We also asked her to to do a brief analysis on the financial condition look at our property operations talk to us about best practices Um and create a compliance calendar tool Um, what we were really happy with um in terms of the work that we did Is the things that we identified for both the housing development corporation from now on you'll hear me say lhdc or the housing authority lha um the work that we did early on I think we were pleased with the fact that there was a lot of uh common components in the work that we did in the work that betsy did in terms of the review It really for us was an opportunity to get someone that had um experience in a housing authority to either Affirm or tell us where we were off in some of the conclusions that we came up with Um, when we look at positives there is the ability to have some patients in rebuilding Um, and I stress some based on on what we're seeing and where we are Um, the assets are in good shape. The facilities are good in shape We have a strong balance sheet today And there's reasonable performance in the portfolio and balance sheet You hear me say today and as we talk about today, you're going to hear some things come out in the presentation When we really start looking into the future in sustainability um When we talk about the assets are in good shape, they're in good shape today You will see us when we talk about facilities really talk about the need for A comprehensive capital improvement plan and an ongoing operation and maintenance plan for the for the structure You know with those positives there's challenges Uh, the organizational structure, um is a significant challenge. I think as we continue Working and understanding the financial components of this That is coming more to the forefront Staff capacity and lack of tools to do their job. You will see this throughout the presentation One of the things that I've talked to both boards about and the staff and the housing authority is One of my primary jobs as city manager and now in the capacity of the Executive director or the I forgot the exact term they used to call me Is is really to give the staff and both organizations a tool the tools that they need to be successful And what I will tell you is that's not necessarily the case Um, it literally in some cases was as basic as people not being able to have a computer Someone doing financial work where they could open up multiple spreadsheets computer would crash Um, I you know jumped about it earlier But as we were talking to some of the staff in one of the meetings and we were doing it via webex Their system crashed and so we had to wait for them to go to one of the city facilities Um, another challenge That we saw and it was also consistent in the audits that were presented to the board Was really a lack of financial controls and management analysis Um, and we do have some operations in 2019 that we're producing negative cash We are seeing that change In 2020. Um, but again, we want to ensure that that's sustainable Then we have opportunities You know, one of the things that we look at is really how do we define roles responsibility structure, uh for the organization I think that's one of the things that we've seen in this Is really that it's there's not clear role definition in terms of what people do Um, and and so at times that creates a lot of questions and chaos in terms of who's doing what Training is something you're going to hear me continue to say Um, we really need to amp up the training for the staff So they they know how to operate in in the HUD environment with all of the requirements Um, again consistent procedures standing standard operating procedures and protocols in terms of who and what What people need to do we need to provide them the equipment Um, and then you know, probably and I probably should have put this at the top bullet Is really a productive staff culture. I think one of the things that we've seen is that they're Um, if you look back in time, um, I think the culture of the organization Really hasn't been conducive For staff to do their best work And so that's one of the things that we've spent a lot of time on is talking to them about our organizational culture And our attributes that we want and how we want to work with each other and how you be a built team If you can do that and you can really strengthen that culture Then it gives you a lot of opportunities in terms of the structure And then finally a resident empowerment as we move through this We do know that we have issue that we have different concerns And and we really need to work in a way that karmine works in neighborhood services with the neighborhoods in our community to really Work on resident empowerment In that there were some base recommendations that came forward and i'm going to take these in different components But one on the financial side is um, we need to fill the account position With a qualified cpa. Um, I will tell you as I was briefed on some budget issues today Um, there are some things we need to work through on that one Um, we need to create a monthly closing process for many of you all that seems um You know Why wouldn't you do it? They were actually closing on a quarterly basis I think the challenge that that really brings forward is that when you have a situation That may develop that you would catch in a monthly closing By the time you actually catch it you've lost a couple of months in terms of being able to deal with the situation So right now we have staff working in trying to do that Yardy you will hear yardy throughout this presentation yardies really their financial their management system that they use um to to manage the housing authority operations um, and we really need more yardy expertise and in terms of Training and what we can do with the system one of the things that we found is When they implemented yardy and brought it over it probably wasn't As you transfer the data, uh, was it all transferred into the system We you know, we have an example of where they're still using the shadow system The hms system for some of the old data in terms of the housing choice voucher program And so we really need to make sure that we're using that system It is the ideal system for Housing authorities as we talked to betsy one of the things is this is such a powerful system That there may have been a little bit of overkill in terms of what we needed within lha But definitely we can use it. We just need to train train train And and and fully explore, you know, the power of that system The other thing that we learned, um And this was really a comment about two positions that are Now vacant within the housing authority both the cfo and the housing choice voucher is real manager is really Going in and getting Light tech so that's low income housing tax credits and funder and investment training for those positions So they could move through this and then at this time when we presented this We said staff recommends hiring a financial firm specializing in housing authorities I will touch on that a little bit later in the presentation Finally or if not finally there's a lot more to come on the property management recommendations One of the things that you know, we saw on that betsy saw is we really need to create a defined strategy for property management Um, and we need to create A team i'm going to skip the second bullet point Um, and well now i'm going to go back to this Go back to the first one Really, what is the strategy and how to how do we as an organization Want to approach property management? And it can be as basic as you know, some things that we've asked to be put in place of standard office hours So that the residents of communities know when the community managers will be available And really consist create a consistent standard operating procedure across all properties so that You know as folks talk about it. We've run into issues where they say well, they do this in this property Why can't we do this in our property and we really need that consistency across Every property You know, we do have a vacancy in the maintenance tech position that we need to fill so we can stay on top of it And then we need to really work to create a team-based environment between the community managers and the maintenance techs So that they're operating within their their functional areas But working collectively with each other and solving And addressing the needs of each of the individual properties We've also said, um, we need to hire an asset or community teams manager That wasn't a position that was filled um, and so I think that tended to lead to properties operating under, um Operating independently of each other and limiting the consistency Um that you need across all of the the properties and then you see the the scheduled office hours as being something More basic that we wanted to do In terms of the housing choice voucher program So for those of you that are I mentioned this earlier is so there's two components within the housing authority provide actual housing And then administering the housing choice voucher program to get people into other properties that are for rent Uh the the piece on this that I think is important to really clarify When you look at the revenue streams coming in one you get it from rent Two you get it from developer fees and that's really part of when you build a unit They pay fees for the management to the housing authority And then the third piece of, um, generating revenue is through the hcv program Um, we know that we you know, we were seeing that we had some vouchers available We need at least those up immediately so we can increase the revenue stream coming into the housing authority This is an intensive paperwork process. So we know that there's probably an administrative system component we need um And then We need again training for the HUD hcv forecasting tool Um Karen and Kathy and I believe tracy have the opportunity to work with HUD on this And what we found in that is that we actually had 40 vouchers available to us And so those are 40 people 40 units that we can house for people that needed in our community Um, eventually you see already again as a consultant and training component within the hcv program Uh, and then eventually we need to look to how do we move this into more a paperless program? That being said, we always know that we're going to have at least for the time being people who can't operate in that So there will continue to be a component of this Um, where we're going to need to have the paper program And then the other recommendation that we talked about is hiring an hcv housing choice voucher consultant Specializing in this so we can stabilize it quickly and lease up the vouchers as soon as possible Again, I will touch on that component later in the presentation On the administrative side What we're really starting to see is that we need to consolidate the back office functions information technology human resources purchasing Um, and and risk management when I talk about that when you look at the size of the organization As a housing authority, it's not a small housing authority Where they have limited number of staff But it's also not a large housing authority where they have ample staff and ample revenue So for many of the things that they had to do you were finding people Taking on those roles Even including potentially the executive director Who didn't necessarily have that expertise? And so we feel like consolidating those back office functions within our structure Will really bring an economy a scale to what they're doing We need to expand and redefine the role of the executive assistant really To take advantage of the skill sets there and fill some gaps Once again, you're seeing solid procedure manuals and increased training on the staff And then finally to sit decentralized decision making decision making In the housing authority was very centralized at the top of the organization now ideally You do want to decentralize that and get it into its appropriate levels But before you can do that, we have to develop the solid procedures And really get the training where we need to so that's going to be an incremental process that we have to go through What have we done today in order to Really provide more consistent oversight across all of the properties. Michelle weight has been placed In the role of community manager and oversight oversight We have received quotes for financial and the hcb consultants We are are diving into the financial side and looking to move forward with that What I can tell you about the housing choice voucher consultants From the time that we made the original presentation to where we are now We really feel like in terms of the work that tracy's been doing and Kathy We have a pretty good handle on that and if we want to use those consultants We would probably use them more on an hourly basis In terms of training and asking questions, but you know what we realized In getting that quote One of the lowest options we got was Slightly over $20,000 a month for their services. So we really felt like we needed to Continue on the direction that we're on in terms of the work that we're doing and really approach it on an hourly basis because of the cost We are continuing to work on consolidating back office operations Our ets department has done a phenomenal job in getting us a transition plan And they're working with next slide on that And then we also have our facility maintenance staff working to identify an optimal structure and assess the facilities You know, one of the things that we found specifically in the aspen meadow project As we were working on that rehab component when we looked at some of the other facilities We were seeing things as basic as air conditions going out early I mean those spring creek and fall river spring creek, especially that's That unit is um, I believe five to six years old and we were seeing air conditions go out Well, what we realized is the specs for those air conditions are really more along the lines of hotel Air conditions that were designed for intermittent use not ongoing use that you have in an apartment type situation And so what we've been able to do is bring facility maintenance in conjunction with molly o'Donnell Who works in kathy's area to really spec what we have Um to ensure that we get a longer life expectancy out of what we're putting into those facilities So we're already starting to see some of those benefits of bringing everything together So this is what the organizational chart looks like today um You see me here Karen's in this area looking at staff development residential services In the cultural trans transformation that we're working on um, kathy and tracy are looking at operational oversight The development world and when we talk about development We're actually talking building the project similar to spring creek and fall river um on the financial side, um, you you see Kendra uh, de an and susie de an and susie are from our financial department gyms in there as well um, and then our housing choice vouchers you see tracy and kathy And and in there and all of the dark you see different people that we're putting in To to help us as as we're moving through some of these issues so If when you read the report, um Betsy recommended an ideal structure um, the one thing that we realized When we talked to betsy and we went through the report Is that we know that that ideal structure that she recommended is not financially sustainable Based on our current model If you remember I talked about the revenue sources coming into the housing authority specifically housing choice vouchers rents and development Um, and so when we look at those things We knew that the structure that she was recommending Would have met that we would have had to change the structure again once we got through a couple of years based on the financial Projection so we began developing structures that would allow us to evolve over time Um, and then when we looked at the structure question and we talked about this with the board is really the reputation of the organization To recruit individuals with the skill sets that we need Um, I think it's important to just understand, you know, what we've what they what we Have encountered over the last few years and and how significant that reputation can be in terms of determining Whether or not people want to join your organization. I think something for me That came out as I was talking to staff is, you know, someone said directly Had I known what it was like? I probably wouldn't have signed on the dotted line to become part of the organization Um, the great piece of that is they're choosing to stay as we move in this And if you you read in that report, I think one of the things that they're Um, and I don't want to put words in their mouth But they're appreciative of that they talk to Betsy about is the work that we're doing and With them is from the city's perspective So what we looked at is a transitional model in terms of You can see the consolidation of the back office functions Um, you can see facilities. Um, and when we talked about security, we're talking about security systems and custodial moving in this world one of the things that I realized in Conversations that we had a few weeks ago is it is not uncommon for the housing authority to need things like concrete work air conditioning work security systems and many cases they are getting quotes for that immediately or they are Producing their own bids. Well, there's really not the economy of scale In terms of the volume that they have and we really think there's an opportunity for us to reduce the ongoing operating cost By tapping into some of the bids that the city has in each one of those functions and our bids are designed to do that You do see community services In this because one of the things that That we've realized is there's a lot of synergy and a lot of opportunities as we look forward So we need to keep community services connected into this But then potentially looking at a deputy director That would still work for me Um, that that really has the finance housing choice vouchers and regional property management in place Um, again, you know, when we show you these structures They're always subject to change as we're looking at it and and what's going to be driving a lot of that Is really what do we need to put in place and and i'll talk a little bit about Some of the positions One of the things and i've added this slide from when i presented to the board To then say so when we hit there, what are we trying to do? Well, what we're really trying to do and what we're working on now is rebuilding the foundation of the organization Um, and you can see, you know, what we would consider basic components to an organization You then really need to hire critical vacant positions. We're talking community managers maintenance tax the accountant We then define the roles that you heard us talking about and then at the end of the day We're really evaluating leadership vacancies in the long-term structure One of the things that i'm quickly realizing in this is when you look at the structure of the organization And you look at how it was developed. I think um, a lot of resources were placed um, what you would consider at the top of the organization and I think in many ways in what we're what I saw in the budget today that really um hampered putting people where their boots were on the ground and really serving the residents Um in these communities and so for us, you know, that's got to be our focus Yeah, as we move forward We really think that that first model um A version of that first model needs to be in place for 12 to 18 months Part of that is when you have an organization that has gone through this much turmoil and this much change You got to stabilize it and you have to keep it stable for some time We then have a couple of options. Um, one option is Is if we can solidify the financial structure accelerate the development increase the housing choice vouchers where we We have enough revenue coming in we could theoretically consider If that deputy directors at the point where we think that they can fill A more formal director role we can look at a more traditional housing authority structure The key in this is you still see the city connected to it in terms of those back office functions Another option Is really fully embedding it within the city structure Um, and you see the financial piece moving into our financial world You see the back office functions You see facility maintenance integrating with each other Another component that we've added that is frankly through all of these models is our public information team and communications One of the things that we know we need to improve Prove on and we need to continue improving on is how we communicate with the residents And that also has to be consistent communications. And I think Steph Bergman and marica have done a good job in helping us when we need to communicate I'm going to talk about community services In a little bit on the next slide and then you really see that executive assistant Working with me to try to keep all of these things tied together Um, the next slide is where you see us really breaking this down in with our existing community service structure Where we're really moving all of the compliance components in Um in combining those both with what we have within the structure and with lha Um, the grant funding piece our inclusionary housing and development coming together the development from the housing development corporation with inclusionary housing um, and then that direct deputy director would then slide into a manager position That really looks at the housing choice voucher program and the regional property management Um, again, all of these have a lot of synergy. The one thing that we have identified is in terms of development in the future I don't think we've done a great job In really how we partner and how we take advantage of all of our programs So no matter what structure we move into in the future. I think Um keeping that connection in with our inclusionary housing program is going to be fundamental as we move forward Then there's another question coming forward And that's really the housing authority and the housing development corporation board model Um, you know originally when that when we first went went through this they were their development was was in separate corporations Um, and what we know is that really strains the resources because you have staff managing two boards Managing multiple sets of financials and it really just adds to the workload But part of the reason that was done is because HUD really didn't like to see the development arm in the housing authority aren't being within the same structure HUD's changed their perspective on that and you can look at Older county housing authority and where those two things are together Um, we also think there's an opportunity In moving in that direction to leverage our the other development programs That I talked about earlier And at the end of the day that really strengthens the balance sheet of the overall Organization you see the board's thoughts they've started to have conversations and look at what that means And then we talked about the timeline So, you know, we've hit the point where we had the initial IGA with the city Um, we said an immediate needs addressed What I can say is we are addressing immediate needs, but we are still seeing immediate needs come up Um, so we're still in that we really targeted six months to have A new operational model as we're moving forward Within the the first 12 months, you'll see additional financial and structural changes. We kind of outline that for you all We evaluate as we're going through the process Uh, and then we start making decisions and there are different variables that we're going to be looking at And when I've talked to the board We may learn something in two months that very clearly points us in a direction Um, but those are things that we're just going to have to we're going to have to be in a constant state of evaluation as we're moving forward um And so That's where we are today And let me stop sharing my screen Uh That's where we are today One of the reasons I wanted to present this is because the board Um Really was in alignment with what we talked about and the recommendations that we made Um, I needed to give you all a chance to look at this and comment on it Because as we move forward, we're moving pretty fast On certain things and and I did not want to get out ahead Of the council because there will be igas coming to you in terms of Services that we provide you heard me talk about information technology That's an incredibly important iga that we need to move very quickly on Because we we have the potential to use carers funding that we need the iga in place in order to use that to really um Fund infrastructure required with our it system uh so at this point um kind of what I said to the Housing authority and the housing development corporation I just really downloaded a lot of information on you all in a very short time frame Um, you all had a chance to read the report Do you have any questions for me? um I've got I've got one herald and that is it would be nice to know that chart showed all the organizational structure that has become the responsibility of your city staff Do you have a number for what that will cost the city and its budget? We're putting that together right now as we're also looking at what what they're doing And in part of that is because different positions have different impacts um In some ways covet has allowed us to um ask people to work on certain things just because their work has changed um and other people We've just added to their workload. So it's different for different positions And and we kind of have that in another document that Kathy made a run at earlier for the board in terms of the amount of hours that we're spending Okay, so just get that to us as soon as you can. All right, uh council member christensen and then council member pack so um mayor, I would just like to point out that once again that the money That this is costing the city will be probably coming from The money that's in the long month housing authority budget For the director that isn't there anymore and the The accountant that isn't there anymore and various other things. So this is not Necessarily coming out of our general fund But anyway, um herald. I this is the third time I've seen this and every time I you add to it And every time it's better and every time I learned something new um I um, I want to thank you for all the work that you kathy karen molly Uh and all the other people and on staff have done for this. It's just it's amazing and it is um This morning, uh, we had a special meeting and uh karen um grant who's the uh chair of the board said Well, the city jumped in with both feet. I think they thought maybe they were diving into the deep end instead of the abyss Um, I thought that was an appropriate way to put it. I would urge you to merge the l hdc and The housing authority with the city because it would add enormously to the transparency to the long-term vision and being able to develop use development and um Just a lot of efficiencies and uh fiscal Savings could happen. I think with that So that's all I have to say. Thank you mayor. If I can before we go. I've got on a roll Um, and I forgot to bring karen kathy and um Cameron in I definitely wanted to bring Cameron in He is the the new chair and I wanted him any of you may know cameron I wanted him to introduce himself to you all and and give you his thoughts And then like karen and kathy Talk about anything that I may have missed in this presentation Cameron Sure. Well, well good evening. Um Parallel echo, uh What council member christianson said about the the that report i've seen now three times and it has Uh improved every time when I pick up do it new things each time So Mayor bagley and members of the council first of all, thank you for Letting us spend some time talking about the housing authority here tonight. I am confident that when you begin 2020 you didn't anticipate the housing authority being on your agenda as often as it has been But I am appreciative that that uh that you've been As accommodating as you are I I wanted to go back And just cover a little bit of the history leading up to when we started this process with the city You're pretty familiar with a lot of it, but um, but I think it's important to touch on a few things As you probably know, we had a very significant leadership change in the housing authority About two and a half years ago and at that time We changed our executive director. We went out in In search of finding a replacement executive director. We began the construction process on the new fall river project Um, and then we brought in jillion And through jillion's tenure of about two years um she she Came in kind of eyes wide open, but didn't have any idea what she was getting into she helped us uncover Uh, what we've discovered is a systemic problem with the way the housing housing authority is is set up It's working. It was working. Okay at the time, but we knew it wasn't sustainable Uh, based upon that in february we we came and sat down With herald and some members of the staff to start having discussions about where we might want to go with the housing authority because we saw some need for some Fundamental changes in the way we do things and we're exploring the possibility of some sort of alignment with the city We didn't know what that would look like. We just started the discussion in february uh Then I think our last face-to-face board meeting was march 11th um on march 12th, we got A notice that jillion had accepted a job running a housing authority in connecticut Thankfully, she did stay with us through may to help with this transition, but it was you know pretty abrupt Change of course for us at a fragile time And then on march 16th, we were all subject to a stay-at-home order So not only Did we have the challenges we walked in the door with we were dealing with the whole new set of challenges Um, and then not too long after that Our chief financial officer took a different job So some very dramatic changes Uh that in the midst of co vid really took a An organization in need of some significant change and put it on very thin ice Thankfully we had already started this discussions with the city We quickly came running back to the city to say hey, we really need to have these discussions and To our benefit and to the benefit of our residents and I think to the benefit of The cause of affordable housing in long month Harold and his staff leaned into this problem and said a leaning away And we started working on a solution And I and I don't want to just focus this on herald the council and and the city in general leaned into this problem And that's that's really what has enabled us to To do what we've done today You know, so so what have we done today? I think herald touched on some of the things that I wanted to talk about some successes that have happened since march um We finished the fall river project Successfully opened it and fully leased it and so think about this. We have brand new project ready for tenants with not a single tenant in it Covid hits you can't even leave your house. How are we going to lease up this community the city? We our playbook didn't didn't have an answer for this the city's team came up with a plan Leveraged the relationships that the city has a lot of Organizations in the region and we leased that thing up in less than you know less than 45 days somewhere in that range which was Absolutely a lifesaver for us by the way that facility was also Given the 2020 people's choice award From housing colorado. So You know Yes, we are kind of here reaching out for help for help, but we do some pretty spectacular things here in town as well At a different project after meadows Before this hit we were in the middle of the financing of a much needed rehab of the community about a five million dollar project When they learned that our executive director was leaving our investor left as well So we we lost our ability To do a needed five million dollar rehab for our residents The city stepping in Saved that rehab and we just last week got got financing approval with a new investor To make that happen and that's going to be significant for the housing authority because it will Improve an asset that we hope to hold for the long term But where it'll really make a difference is for the residents of that project who are going to have a Pretty significant upgrade to the facility that they live in and then you know, I I think Kind of lastly and most importantly to me You heard her held use the word turmoil and I think that's that's appropriate There has been a lot of turmoil in the housing authority. There's been a lot of turnover at the staff level It's been stressful for the board members but Generally speaking. I want to say I think our residents have weathered this without a Significant bump in the road. I think that is really what our focus has been and the involvement of the city has allowed us to Take care of our residents in a way that I think those are the city proud so On behalf of myself and on behalf of my fellow board members the staff of the lha and I think Most importantly all the the families that we support. I just want to say to the council. Thank you You you dove into this without any commitments or promises from us other than knowing that we're we're all kind of Going the same direction and we couldn't do without you But thanks Thanks Cameron All right, so herald Other than the presentations, what do you need from us other than Um your update So I wanted to give Kathy and Karen a chance in case I missed something Kathy Karen has herald missed anything Kathy. Let's start with you Since I don't see Karen's picture Um, no, I I don't think that he missed anything. I just would like to add How wonderful the housing authority staff have been to work with they have Jumped right in they have switched processes in the middle they've put up with you know, a whole bunch of city people coming in and Ask them questions and telling them what to do and they take it in stride and They are really committed to the work of the housing authority. So that is Is really great to see and then I also want to Throughout a kudos to city staff who have jumped in any one that we have asked for help Or called and said I'm working with the housing authority. They what do you need? What do you need? We've got dn and susie that are spending Full weeks at the housing authority helping us understand the financials Facilities ets next light It's been phenomenal and something that as city staff we can be Really really proud of And then the housing authority board has been extraordinarily supportive as well. So That's all I wanted to add Karen So, um, I I don't really have nothing else to add what you just heard. I think, um You know other than the uh the incredible power of The lhj team and the city staff team coming together and working tirelessly and relentlessly toward a very important vision and purpose and Enter in serving our community making sure people who need the housing the most have access to that. So, um, so anyhow it is, uh Uh, it has been a challenge, but it has been it continues to be Rewarding each and every day and and the work that we're doing together Yeah, I think there was a couple of questions mayor from others. Um But but to to say this I think To say that we weren't afraid as we started jumping into this Would be the understatement of the year um But I think the interesting point is it's a power of team and it's a power of culture Um and and what you can really accomplish when you come together And we talked about this with the housing authority staff. It's it's okay to be afraid Understand your fears and then become fearless um, and I think that's really the piece that that has um, you know Since covet people inspire me daily and how people have responded to this has been amazing Because at the end of the day one of the most important things we can do Is take care of the most vulnerable people in our community and that's via The housing that the housing authority provides And and how do we take it to the next level? And and really become You know better than we are And we work towards something that's greater than us as individuals All right councilman martin Thank you mayor bagley. Um, I think this was a wonderful presentation It's really given me an idea of the scope of what you're taking on I had some idea before But I would like you to just say a few words or or karen or kathy or you know Whoever feels best qualified to say this um Because we're getting you know questions from the public that's like well Why don't you just hire somebody and why does it need to change? It's always been this way and we want the city working on city stuff And I would just like somebody to acknowledge the Additional bureaucratic burden the special financial skills the special regulations All of that stuff that makes this not just another property management organization so that the public will understand clearly I'll start off on this one. I think first and foremost there's Um, when I say we could have done better historically has really done better in terms of the relationship We had with each other when we look at what you all have done through inclusionary housing What we have in in the community development funds It's you know, how can we leverage that to a higher level so we can accomplish more? um, you know By I think you heard me talk about reputation um, and and and so I think part of that also comes into play of you know Honestly, this is this was this is a monumental challenge and I think what jillian learned is they just don't have the capacity to Do it within their existing structure And so it would be hard for anyone um You know when you look at it, um And and and I've talked to you know when we were in floods and doing all of that karen and kathy and I were working on DR funding and all of this We haven't probably talked as much as we've had in the last six months. It's daily Um, and everyone diving into it When you then look at the complexity of the financing mechanisms and you talk about the capital stack of when you're trying to develop these projects So when you're layering in tax credits, uh, so you have the tax credit investors You have banks you then see us bringing in cdbg funds to this it then becomes an incredibly complicated um capital stack in terms of how you're you're building um These apartments, uh, and And so I think it's a culmination of skills that we're bringing in to move through this Um, you know kathy's been phenomenal in that world in molly um, and so it's a different beast and um, I think that's what makes housing authorities challenging. Um, it's not the first time housing authorities have been through this Uh, we'll be the last time. Um, but I think it really is The complexity the amount of work and then the limiting resources and then what you actually have where you're able to do it And so that's what we're really trying to work on and maximize an efficiency and free enough Dollars to to the staff appropriately Karen, I see you coming in I think the other thing that would add to that is that um, and and karen mentioned this in his uh presentation is that You know, we learned earlier this year and we learned from jillian when When when she and the board really came to the city and said, you know, um We we really have some systemic issues that need to be looked at and we just don't believe that we have a sustainable Path ahead of us without some major rework And I think we learned from bringing jillian in to an um an agency that was really struggling with a lot of systemic issues That we needed to address those those system look at the systems And and really tried to strengthen that and right in the ship so to speak As we before we bring in a new executive to be able to then really take the agency And and move forward with that So I think we learned a lot from what's happened in the last two years with the housing authority that um that it was it was time to take a little bit of different approach and Work on some of the systemic issues to help really um build a path for success for the next Directly that comes into this effort I would also add that In my mind, this is city business. We have city funding in every single property That the housing authority owns We have fee waivers that we have put into it cdbg funds home funds our affordable housing funds And that if if we cannot Sustain this organization and lose the housing and the investment that we've put in this absolutely is city business and where we should be Putting our resources and our time and our efforts I think to add to that you know, I think one of the The main things that any city needs to do is is is work to Take care of the most vulnerable in our community um, and that's what this housing does And you can't lose this housing and as we look at the 12 go and what we're trying to achieve We have to build upon what we have and so when we talk about affordable housing and what we're trying to do You have to secure that and and and for me I think that's foundational to what we have to do and to ensure that We have a successful and sustainable housing authority Not 10 years from now, but 50 years from now All right, let's go with joan than paulie Thank you, mayor bagley. I I want to say i'm really proud to work with the city that has such expertise and dedication In our staff and that herald kathy and rick karen. You can never retire um, because we need you But along with the revenue that that mayor bagley asked for that what the revenue would be I'm sorry not the expense That the city would incur taking on this. Can we also bring back the revenue from The long-man housing authority that would offset that for example You mentioned that the cfo was no longer there. So that pay the executive director What the difference between having lhdc be a separate entity Versus lha to bring back all the revenues so we can see what the offset would be I think it's really important for the questions that we've been getting from our residents As well as to How much is this going to cost the city and just to be just to explain it a little better? I think To give you part of the answer and and we're still flushing through the numbers but We have a report at least for this year. We think there's about 196,000 available for this year You know, we're working through some of the Covid funding that they have so we can really understand what that looks like That's just on the housing authority side. We haven't really Dove into the lhdc side yet. Okay. Thank you Polly people watching who are in Longmont housing units. I want them to know because I think that many people are Rary and afraid of what might happen I want people to understand that this city The city staff the city council The board of longmont housing authority the employees at the housing authority have an absolute commitment To continuing this if we did not have this there would be over 400 families And we have something like a thousand vouchers in addition to The units that we have It would be a disaster if we Had to close these units. This is an absolute commitment to people who are Low income that's the purpose of this is to provide decent housing for low income people And a lot of low income people are disabled. They're elderly. They have mental problems whatever they They are they need housing And it is our job as a society to Help them find this in an efficient way and in a way that makes them feel respected and gives them a dignified home and There's nothing really more foundational as herald said to Our society and our town then that everybody's treated with dignity and respect So I want people to understand that They're not they're They're safe in their homes Thanks All right, dr. Waters basically or bagly Because I have a chance to serve on both by miss counsel and as a voting member of the lung line housing authority board of commissioners Uh, I've been through those conversations with Cameron and other other lha commissioners um and for Councilmember martin mentioned some of the incoming Both emails and commentary we've seen in in public or in in news sources So for you know, those who care about the very Uh population that councilmember christensen was just identifying uh and in and care about housing uh for for every citizen, but especially the population that lha jay serves I just want to go back and in touch on a couple points Cameron made Uh, this all unfolded. I know some of the input as councilman martin has said Why haven't you just gone out and hired a director? Why is the city taking this on? Because everybody who's in this picture from the city had full-time jobs Before council before lha came knocking Uh, I'd be curious to to learn who's hired who's done big recruitment of executive directors during covid With travel restrictions and no gatherings of more than 10 people, etc You simply can't go to a legitimate recruitment process under those conditions and with that financing of of Aspen meadows and the in the leasing of lh of uh fall river The stakes were Were extraordinary for the organization as well as for the 462 or the residents in the 462 units So I would turn to herald and ask uh, how many critical city responsibilities or functions? Have you or cathy or caren or anybody else from the city staff? How many things have you dropped what how many balls or plates have you let drop? I'm pretty sure You know, I think what we've done is try to stay on top of everything that is our core responsibility for our jobs We may not have done it as fast as we wanted to but You know trying to stay on top of everything covet response budget that we're trying that i'm going to present next and The work we're doing and many of those people were working on all of those things So anybody who's letting's drop nothing dropped The city's done its job under a pandemic As they've kept the housing authority and its residents Moving forward in in in secure housing It's an extraordinary in my opinion. It's an extraordinary act of service on behalf of The community that the city of longmont staff members some key people It's it's it's the taro and kathy and And karen and a few others if you think about sacrifice They're the ones that have sacrificed because they just added this on top of their jobs so The relationships are complex the issues are challenging and I there will certainly be public commentary But if people are going to comment they at least ought to be informed About the complexity of this the demands and the stakes because the stakes for a Large number of this people in this community were very high in in without what's happened The the the prospects for the housing authority would be pretty dire So I I want to add my thanks The herald the kathy the karen and I know Molly and you know, you get you've provided that list of names um, I hope the community As people are prone to make a comment about this For some would occur to them To say exactly what karen said and that is thank you yeah Go ahead herald. Well, I appreciate your comments. I think it's the entire organization um, you can't place uh A value on the support team all over the organization when I go to sandy or joanie or dale or Jim and and ask people to do things. Um You know, it's an organizational effort Harold just in conclusion. I just wanted to echo everybody's thoughts You and your staff are doing this above and beyond what you're Here to for or prior responsibilities were and I only asked the question that I did earlier of How much is this costing is because I plan on I mean I imagine council we we are all anticipating Charging laj and requiring them to reimburse the city. So as we we talk about Dollar figures and responsibilities and what not not just for you but your staff That was something that I wanted to thank you very much for for superhuman and heroic efforts Regarding our laj. So before we go on to succeed the presentation. I will say We're gonna be pushing igas through and you're gonna see multiple igas as we continue to move through this Okay, we look forward to it. So before we move on to study session item 6c the presentation of proposed 2021 operating budget and the 20 through 2021 through 2025 capital improvement program Um, let's go ahead and take a five minute break and herald if you could just uh during the break talk to your staff I'm not telling you to rush through anything but just make sure it's efficient and expedited Given that it's 945. Alrighty Cool back in five to resume the September 1st 2020 study session for long month city council with item c and study session items presentation of the proposed 2021 operating budget and 2021 through 2025 capital improvement program I'm going to share my screen with you all So one of the things that I wanted to let you all know is so we were going the the capital improvement Presentation is fairly lengthy and so we wanted to make sure we could spend the time on that one So we're actually going to move that to another budget session Um So we can take the time we need to in all of those projects Um mayor council as required by charter. Um, we're gonna we're presenting the budget to you all tonight Um in the virtual format you will you will get the document from teres and jim And uh, and they will provide that to you today. I'm going to give you an overview of the budget Um, and then as we move through the next few meetings, um, we will Have specific discussions on various topics Jim will will join me in the end hopefully and give you a sense of what that schedule is going to look like We are moving the capital improvement plan from tonight to another meeting And you are seeing the slide correct We are so, um Today, um, we are presenting you all with a balanced budget with no tax increases The total operating budget is 371.7 million It is 17.8 million more than 20 the 2020 adopted budget Of 353.9 million. Uh, that's a 5.05 percent increase I know you all are seeing that and going well. We've been talking about the economic conditions We're going to explain i'm going to explain that as we Move through, um all funds are balanced with sources of revenue to meet those projected expenses um, the budget does include Um, the 5.9 percent increase in electric rates and the 9 percent increase in water rates that council has previously passed Approximately 39.6 million in accumulated fund balance will be drawn down in 2021 Um, and that's primarily to meet the capital needs Some of the significant projects that you're going to see in the capital improvement plan, um advance metering A 7.5 million I think as we look at the the resolution that the council passed in terms of 100 renewable by 2030 This is a critical component to being able to operationalize that Um, the price part tank replacement. Um, for those of you who aren't familiar it is The big tank by sunset part 19.2 million We all have talked to you all extensively about nelson-flanders and the work that we have to do there We also have wastewater treatment improvements that we need to make in order to comply with a lot of the mandates that are coming down And then one of the items that you all have talked about Railroad quiet zone. So that's the 2.17 that we're going to come in You will get more detail on that as we go over the capital improvement plans Um The highlight and this is where I said we're going to really show what we were we were dealing with The proposed general fund budget for 21 is 88.09 million. It's actually a decrease of 3.9 You can see the amount there The decreases in one time expenses From 4 million in 2020 to 1.2 million in 21 In terms of the ongoing expenses in the proposed general fund budget It's only increasing by 7 670 dollars over 2020. It's essentially a flat budget the one issue As we were looking at the general fund that we were getting into Is when you look at the financial policy that we have in place in terms of cost recovery for the recreation division and then you look at How we're forced to operate based on the current covid restrictions Um and and and how limited we are in in certain facilities Um as we began evaluating The rec center component of that we um projected a 25 percent decrease Um in revenue within our our recreation Um budget um as as we looked at that um You know, this is really the classic example of what we're dealing with in terms of covid today in the sense That there's a tremendous unknown in terms of what it's going to look like in 21 We are obligated to bring you a balanced budget. So we reduced the rec Revenue by 1.13 million And the way we're going to have to deal with that is we're going to have to reduce contract and temp hours Within the rec budget to manage it Um, so council knows um as we were going through the budget process I um, we did say that as we had to talk about these issues. Um, they would hear it from me So earlier today, I I did have a team's call with the recreation division and talked about this What it's going to look at at this point in the budget process Um is essentially a 25 percent reduction um across rec with With the exception of full and part-time benefited position. So we're not going to adjust those There will be a 30 percent decrease in our temporary hours and and as you can see in this slide, we're really Hampered by just how many people we can bring into a facility. Um, how often people are coming into facilities Um, and we honestly just don't know what that future is going to look like To give you an example of what we're seeing in a in um a rec center Um, normally we average slightly over 1200 visitors a day We have been around I think the number that jeff gave me was um 269 a day Coming into the rec center. So we there are multiple things coming into play What we can actually do in those facilities in terms of the covet restrictions How people are going into those facilities and ultimately that is affecting their revenue What I will tell you today and what we told staff is that's what we know today Um, as we said throughout this process, we're going to be evaluating this on a monthly basis Um, things could change on us. Um, and and if things change we will We are hoping to position ourselves in this budget to uh respond very quickly And so in terms of specific programs what we're really asking staff to do is to look at what we're doing how we're doing it Look at those where we can maximize revenue. Um, and make it then into this You know, one of the things that we're talking about that we just don't know Is as we get into colder months And people can no longer um exercise outside Um, we may actually see it swing as people come in Um in the colder months So this is going to be one of those areas that we're going to continue watching the entire budget as we're moving through this We're still going to continue watching on a monthly basis um So there's knowing in terms of highlights at this point We don't have any increase in pay ranges in the proposed budget Um open range employee compensation is budgeted at 101 of market Um, we are asking human resources to gather Um, 2021 market pay data and pending our revenue performance We could assess consideration of one-time payments or market adjustments in 21 But that's really going to be dependent on the financial performance that we see over the next few months Um, no guarantee on that Um, the proposed budget does include step increases For step employees. So when you you look at that it is Fire police and electric because they're on a step system It also includes People who are open range employees who are below Their current market and allows them to move to market And we also were able to keep in exceptional pay for employees To meet criteria and delivering the extraordinary performance Joanne will have a presentation on on on these aspects Later in the budget process But as you know, um on the exceptional pay side That's one of the things that that I review all of those nominations that are coming through Um, I'm not going to go over this. This is council vision For people But what we wanted to do is break that out and then talk about what we put in place So we did include $50,000 And for the early childhood Related to the outcomes of the summit that you all had We included 22,000 of one time funding for the library digital and print resources What we were really seeing and this is really one of those interesting components that's related to covet is based on How people are having to move through education And what parents are doing. We were definitely seeing more of the demand This is something over time that we'll have to look at moving into ongoing Um, and many of these things I know council talked about it and we're going to talk about it later in the budget process In terms of social equity, you're seeing many of these things starting to Those were the lenses that we were looking at in making some of these decisions Uh, we also know that we needed to continue 10,000 of ongoing Funding for our language line services So for you all if we're unable to have an interpreter the language line actually gives us the ability To call that number and so we can have an interpreter that we can use via the phone We did include $9,500 of ongoing funding for meal programs for the youth of our community Again another example of great work our Youth group Community and youth services. They're working on a pretty big grant that we can hopefully get To deal with meals programs 107,000 and We've increased the human service needs, you know, we all we're planning on increasing that annually We've increased that by 107,000 this year Many of these things were also looking at augmenting potentially through cares funding We finally got guidance. I was going to talk about that in covet We we were getting clear guidance and so over the next week We're going to be evaluating cares funding and then we also needed to push 100,000 of ongoing funding For the administrative cost associated with affordable housing and cdbg in terms of what we need to do Um your vision for places Um in terms of what we're really talking about there, um, you know, we are moving um Ongoing funding for engage long lot. We found that we really found value in that communicating With our community, you can see the money that we're putting in for the air quality monitoring That actually comes from oil and gas revenue same with the 60,000 Of one-time funding for plugged and abandoned well investigations The money that we have for the emerald ash pour Um, we do have 200,000 of one-time resources for energy efficiency improvements at city Facilities that really is tied in with the work that we've been doing from the climate action task force and our sustainability program And then 7.5 million of one-time resources for advance metering Um, so when we look at this and we talked about some other highlights, uh You know, this was something where um I think I've been in a city manager's office and trying to remember 97 The you know over 20 years This has probably been the the most interesting budget that we've had to go through and you'll see this in the budget message In terms of really just trying to figure out what that revenue number is going to look like um months from now based on the condition that we're in um and in the uncertainty that still exists and so there were many times in this where Jim and I were flip-flopping on each side of the equation in terms of are we being too conservative in our revenue estimates? Are we not being conservative enough? And we you know jim Being the genius that he is You know, we just really started looking at the data and said well What do we think we can do because what we didn't want to do Was go in and make cuts that were unnecessary, but we also didn't want to add things And create a situation for ourselves. It was tough to recover from So we we used a projection of 1.85 percent above 2019 and I want to be very clear on this above 2019 It's still almost 1 percent below what we budgeted in 2020 um, you all will remember us talking about the property tax When we were talking about the budget last year where we said we were somewhat concerned about the potential for a recession and we didn't want to allocate that into We made the recommendation not to allocate that into ongoing funding. So The 21 budget does benefit from what that 1 million of property tax from the 2020 budget that was earmarked for one time expenses You know, what we can tell you is we're going to have to continue closely monitoring all of our revenue streams So we can react quickly when we need to in a way very similar to how we move forward in this budget process As we look ahead, um, you know This has been a really interesting conversation for us. We know there's a number of short term economic risk We know businesses haven't opened others won't reopen You know, if you watch the national news, we're seeing bankruptcies by retailers. It's not uncommon these days You know in all of this is really the concerns with the possible resurgence of the virus and what that really means If you if you listen to health officials, they're very concerned about what happens over labor day and what happens in september because They really think that that will talk about what the fall will look like Um, and then as you look at, um, all of if if you look at any number of Financial article Whether it's CEOs, whether it's financial advisors, you know, they're really starting to talk more of The potential of a recession or in some cases worse and actually using As i'm saying now the d word In terms of these uncertainties and then the other thing that we know in a more long term perspective is we know next year Gallagher amendment will impact, um The impact projected for 2020 due to the valuations of the businesses being affected by covet 19 You know have the potential to reduce revenue Are over 2.1 million to the city or 10 of our annual property tax So we also know that's something that's potentially coming to the future So what we try to do in this budget is is take the priorities that we know that council has presented to us um, take what we think is a The a a comfortable level of risk um, and and and really also set ourselves up so we can handle um another situation in the way that we were able to move through it this year um At the end of the day, you know the thing that i've talked about with staff um almost every thursday when i have a citywide webx meeting is The only thing certain that we know today is that things are uncertain And and so what we really try to do is Provide council with the budget that allows us to continue to provide the services that we have historically provided to our community In a way that hopefully we've mitigated the risk Or as much risk as we possibly can is really what I should say um That is the end of my presentation jim. Do you want to join did I miss anything did I overstate anything? Uh jim golden chief financial officer, uh, no, I will you overstated something about The way you describe them like me. I think but beyond that I think everything else was about what we were planning to present what I wanted to to do at this point is tell the council that that We when you get your budget and tressa will explain How you'll get that in a few minutes here But when you do have that you'll notice at the end of the budget message and it's a It's a rather long budget message, but um at the very end we do include A schedule as we do every year the schedule is a little bit different if you've been through the budget process In the past you are maybe remembering that we typically will do our Resolutions and ordinances that need to be adopted related to the budget in october Now we do that especially during Council election years to make sure that we're dealing with that Before the election, but this year that we do have some twists the the county assessors have A different deadline now for getting us the preliminary assess Valuation instead of august 25th when they normally would provide that to us They have until october 13th So we do want to make sure that we are aware of that Before we are presenting an ordinance to the council So are the first reading of the ordinance instead of being on the 13th like it normally would we'll be doing it on october 27th And then the second reading will be on november 10th And that's all within our our charter schedule requirements anyhow, so we'll be okay as far as meeting those deadlines go We still even though the county did have some change in their requirements due to covet Are we still had a september 1st deadline to to Provide this budget and cip to you all so you'll be getting the budget the cip In the pay plan tonight The schedule we will move that cip We do have a lot of playing the schedule because of the fact that we have that extra tuesday now And could go a little bit farther out with our presentations into october so we will assess the other business that's on the council's Meetings coming up in the next few weeks and see where we can fit that cip presentation back in It's a long presentation But it you know when you're looking at the budget that we have this year and our limitations in from an operation perspective A lot of the efforts that we do want to bring to your attention are in the cip area where we still did have a lot of of fund balance and things to Vote towards capital projects, so we want to make sure that gets its due time So we'll we'll make those adjustments as we go along and update you on when we'll get them to you But i'm thinking the cip will be in later september Towards the end of september So with that i'm going to ask therese to explain to you Where you'll be able to get your budget Hey, uh, therese and why budget manager? So logistics um in the past we have provided uh the budget the cip and the pay plan as well as uh the Council communications and all the attachments that go along with it in your dropbox with the new prime gov gender management system You no longer do use dropbox. So this year We are going to be putting that information out there on the city's website for you And we will be directing you to the website to access the the documents and then Each council communication I will provide you with that same link so that you'll know and and be able to access The the budget the cip the pay plan as well as our plan is to to um in one consolidated place Put prior council communications And all the attachments as well as uh copies of the presentations for you We will continue to um as we have done in the past Continue to consecutively number uh our council communication and um our our attachments um because there will be uh opportunity um from time to time for us to refer Back to information that we have may have provided to you In a prior council meeting. So um when this meeting is over We will send you the link of where you can find the proposed documents And then uh, we will continue to add to that each week Um from that point on So mayor council, I wanted to give you all the opportunity. We gave you the highlights. Are there any questions for us? I think I saw some hands. So so my question before we go to that Do you have a cip presentation then or will that be in september? We're we're moving that to september. That's a fairly lengthy presentation and we would go longer Okay, does anyone have questions over the the budget summary at this point? All right, it was all pretty clear. I thought so herald anything else uh dr waters I don't know that it's so much about the budget summary, but as we schedule out as we look at the schedule um and as we uh have a chance to uh, Uh, I guess well, will will we see will the advanced metering be in the cip budget? correct Carol, I mentioned to you that I may be the only council member Who as we listen um to the input we had tonight About metering a wireless versus wired metering And um all the statements that are made About the risks Costs benefits risks associated with wired versus wireless metering um personally If we're going to budget seven and a half million dollars in two thousand and and 21 Um, I would I would benefit greatly if we could have a session not unlike what we did When we're talking about 5g When we looked at the legal aspects Whatever science there is Um, and I and there are members of this council who have expertise that I don't have Maybe I just need a tutorial, but I would sure appreciate the opportunity to hear from tim schlack Schlack is it schlackie And our own in in david and our other our own experts On what we're doing so we could If i'm going to make it an informed vote I'd like to make that feeling like I have the benefit of hearing all the perspectives on this issue So david was actually prepared to touch on that tonight. He will touch on it on the cip and I'm sure he heard your comments All right, so uh, thank you dr. Watters Harold seen all their comments or questions. Um, we thank you and we look forward to the annual process of dealing with the budget Fun times And jim. Thank you as always. We appreciate your work and teresa you too All right, let's go on to mayor and council comments Who would like to make comment councilman peck? Thank you, mayor badly, uh, I would like to tell council and anybody who's listening that on September 21st the north metro inline is opening up and it's going to be free rides for For the residents The reason that this is important and why I want to bring it up is that the inline is part of the north RTD fast tracks north metro line, which is One of the stages going into our northwest corridor kudos to mayor badly Because he and I and all of the other transportation Committees that we are on have been working very very hard to get this inline finished And now that it's finished and completed All of these different agencies are turning their attention to the north our northwest corridor So um, it is like we have not been doing anything But there's been a lot of hard work behind the scenes I'm very excited about this because it's taken a long time And now we can all uh in the city In the district On the corridor focus our attention on getting this northwest corridor Completed so if you would like a free ride see what's coming up September 21st Thank you Thanks, joan anybody else All right cool herald. Do you have any comments? I think I've talked enough tonight mayor That's what I was I wasn't gonna say it It's not me All right, Eugene you've been quiet tonight fairly you can say something if you'd like No comments mayor. That's why I love you. All right. Do we have a motion to adjourn? So moved I'll second All right. There's a motion to adjourn on a table all in favor say aye. All right. Hi I oppose say nay All right, the eyes have it unanimously until next week people and herald. I'll stop by to sign everything tomorrow. Alrighty Great. Thank you guys. Good night