 Welcome to Toffy TV, I'm joined by David Maddick in the mirror. Let's just, before we go anywhere, with any of these conversations, let's just get something out now, right? You're not a Liverpool fan? That is actually true, I know that. I know Evertonians think I am, partly because of Twitter and we've just been talking about that offer. Twitter is just promoting the newspaper that I work for. In fact, I didn't even go on Twitter for about 10 years because it was just work. And then eventually they were like, you've got to do Twitter, you've got to promote the work that you do. So that's it and I'm promoting the work that I do. So therefore I promote both Liverpool and Everton. But Evertonians do kind of, because obviously Liverpool have been winning, you're promoting positive stuff about them. Evertonians think that I'm not a Liverpool fan. I'm a lifelong fan of a much smaller club who were actually doing pretty well at the moment. Come on, tell everyone. No, well, you know, I'm actually, people do know, I'm a crew fan. I'm a lifelong crew fan. I even played for them when I was a kid when they were garbage. Fully enough, when I've played for them, they had some junior teams and they only played in the local district leagues, like Sambach and Sunday district league or something like that. And they were rubbish. They didn't even win that. So they were pretty bad. But yeah, that was, they're my team. And actually, I think we're second at the moment. They're doing well. They're doing well. It's not a red, just because it's job and because, listen, we know that Liverpool attract more stories than Evans. So that's the way it is. Well, it's when you're winning, you know, that's the thing. Liverpool have been winning the last few years, haven't they? And fully enough, that's coincided with me being, I've only been on Twitter for about not even 18 months. So, and Liverpool have been winning in that time. So, and you know, I mean, to be fair, Everton have done much better than people realise over that period as well. But, you know, it's predominantly, that's what you promote in your work. Let's leave it there. It's not a red. That's it. It's done. What have you made of Everton so far this season, Dave? Because I think we come into the season full of optimism the way we finished last season. And I think a lot of people with money spent in the summer thought, well, you know, they've done well at the end of the season. So you'd hope that they'd kick it on. And the opening six games hasn't gone to plan. I think it's too early at the moment too. And, you know, this is difficult, isn't it? Because obviously fans want to see, they want to see instant reaction. They want to see instant results. They want to see instant sort of evidence of development. And clearly that's not been the case. But it's not the disaster that a lot of people have been portraying as well. It was a difficult summer for Everton because they made a couple of very good signings. They did well to get Gomez, which was, you know, he's a good player, a very good player. And they did well. They did well to make that permanent for a decent price. They also, and I know I'm going to get some criticism for this. But I think they did really well to sell Idrissa Gay for the price that they sold him for. People are forgetting he's 30 years old. I think it's his birthday today. He's 30 years old and they got almost 30 million for him. That is a crazy amount of money for a 30-year-old. And you know what? They've missed him in the first six weeks of the season. They have. There's no question. But by the end of the season, it used to say that, you know, a 30-year-old playing every game, his legs are going to last out for a whole season. And I'll give you an example. You look at Manchester United and Matics there. He's a similar age. And he looks to me like his legs have gone. And he looks like, I think he's a year older than Idrissa. And he looks now like they need to start phasing him out. So what happens if this was the season that ever needed to start phasing Idrissa out? I'm not saying. I think he's got maybe a couple of years left in him. But maybe not playing every week. And if that's the case, and you've got 30 million for him, they went out and they signed a couple of replacements. And they got someone similar age who only cost eight million. Not quite the same position, but they've made a massive profit on that. And then they signed a younger player who they can phase in. And I don't even know how to pronounce it. That's why it's... Gabbamen. Gabbamen. Let's go with that. Gabbamen. Anyway. Yeah, JP does it because he can't pronounce it. So he's 24 years old, a good pedigree. Even though he wasn't ready for the Premier League, he put him in a couple of games. Sadly, he gets injured. And so that has unbalanced what his plan was. But for me, the plan was fine. And in fact, logical. You get rid of a 30-year-old who is maybe in his final season of being an absolute, you know, plays every single game. And you replace him with... You get some experience in, but you also then get a younger player who can develop over the season. So you can rotate between the two. And it's sound until he gets injured. And then you've got a problem. So... And also Legion Gomez as well. Yeah, yeah. Gomez has been injured as well. And like, for instance, Gomez would have been key player against Shaffield United. He can open up. He's great on the ball. He's got time on the ball. And against those sorts of sides. I think he looked really good last season against that sort of team. So I think injuries have been a bit of a problem. And I also think that, you know, going back to what I was saying originally, the summer was difficult because there were a couple of key areas where they didn't get players. And they tried. And, you know, it's clear silver knows that that's a problem. Yeah. And... Sensa Bach. Yeah, yeah, obviously. And, you know, you and I have had conversations about this and they've got big problems at Sensa Bach because the partnership they have, which seems to be the only partnership of Mina and Keane to me doesn't really work. And if that doesn't work and that's the main partnership through the season, then you've got a problem. Do you think Everton will try to get a Sensa Bach in in January? Yeah, absolutely. From on the pace. Yeah, yeah. I just think somebody who can be a tiny bit more commanding because I don't think, for all the fact that Mina is massive and you'd expect him to be a dominant, dominant player, he's not, he doesn't seem to be able to take control and be a leader. And I don't think, I mean, I think Michael Keane is a very good player, but I'm not sure that he is that sort of dominant centre half either. And last season, when he was playing and when we talked about this towards the end of the season, him and Zuma actually sorted it out. Yeah. They struggled, they struggled to get set pieces sorted, but eventually when they did, and the two of them came together and they had no problems with set pieces and then maybe the last three or four months of the season. And him and Zuma, because Zuma was that sort of more commanding guy who would take responsibility and come up and head, win the ball, allow Keane to play and Keane is a good footballer but he needs someone alongside him. And I don't think Meena is that player. I think the way they both are, they probably shoot playing with someone different. Exactly, yeah. They probably get the best out of Meena alongside maybe a Zuma, and we certainly see that with Keane. So you need a leader alongside either of them and there's not that. And the only other alternative is Holgate, who I personally rate highly. And I think he will become a very good Premier League centre half because I think he does have that bit of aggressive leadership in him, but he's still very young. You can't expect him. You can't say, you've got these two guys who've got four more experience than you but I want you to go and lead them. You can't really do that. Although, you know, he played in midweek and he did all right. He did well and I like him. So maybe it's time to have a bit of a gamble there. He's got the pace, hasn't he? Yeah, he does have pace and he's aggressive as well, isn't he? He will take, have a go at people and you know, witches. Looking back, there was a game at Anfield. Two games at Anfield, there's a cup game as well and the game at Anfield, when I thought he had a really, really good game and he really took the game, got really aggressive with all the Liverpool front line but he had a bit of a ding dong. With Firmino. I was just trying to think of the words to sort of say what happened. He didn't back down, did he? No, he definitely, he put him in the advertising board. And there was a bit of a row about, which actually probably wasn't true about the racism thing but he was aggressive the whole time. But it also didn't pull him off his game? No, no, yeah, exactly. He actually went in his face and he did well. I like that. So when you've got a problem at centre half, it undermines everything. So like Everton wouldn't have lost against Sheffield United, had not, mean, and I've talked about this and you know, I don't want to criticise him but he's six foot eight. He's the biggest guy on the pitch. There's a corner, he's standing there, first of all he's not marking anyone. Like six foot eight, you've got to be marking there. Six, five, four people picked. Yeah, all right. No, he's about six foot twelve. Sorry, I'm exaggerating but actually he is about six, five, six isn't he? So, but he was the, and I actually checked, he was the biggest player on the pitch. Yeah, yeah. And so he's got to be the dominant one. There's a corner, he's not marking anyone. He's kind of standing in his own six yard box, not looking at the ball. The ball comes over. How far is it out to the corner flag at Everton? The pitch is 90 yards wide, isn't it? So it's like 45 yards. It comes over and he's watching it, watching it, watching it, hits him and goes in. You're an international centre half, he's massive. You've got to go and attack that ball. Attack it. And he just doesn't. And to me that says there's a problem there. That goal killed Everton because the confidence went. Silver then says, and quite rightly came out afterwards and said second half some of his players were hiding. In fact, still a lot of the players were hiding. And I agree, I think there were, and I think he was right to come out and say that because they didn't take the responsibility that you needed to do in that situation. But ultimately they were undermined by a weakness of set piece again. And you are going to constantly be undermined until you resolve that issue at centre half. It's simple, you know. That is the problem. It's interesting to see whether or not he considers Mason Holegate alongside one of those to whether he goes to three at the back and puts him in for pace or whether or not he just tries to work and work and work on Keener and Meane and Keane and Meane until January. And if it isn't so, obviously. Pressure, the pressure is on. I just want to talk about Marco Silver for a minute because obviously he come into Everton and I don't think he's the media's favourite and I'm not including you and I'm just saying just the general thing. He's not held in great esteem by Sam Allardyce and his mates at Sky. I always like to give him a little bit of a kicking. And I personally don't think the club have done enough to sell his character to us to tell us who he is, to show us who he is. But what have you made? What do you make of Marco Silver? Because obviously you have dealings with him with press conferences and things. What have you made of the man himself first and foremost? I feel like 16, 17 months on. I still don't really know anything about him. Actually you make a really massive point there and I couldn't agree more in that the Everton fans just do not know who Marco Silver is. You look at him and you ask what sort of personality is he? What character is he? When he came out at the weekend he said to me that the players were hiding and I was like whoa. I was impressed because he was being honest and he actually was prepared quite rightly to have a go at his team and he did because they weren't delivering what he wanted. It kind of showed a bit of character that maybe we've not seen before. But I chat to him. Don't know him very well at all. Just like you because we've not really seen the man. But you do speak to him in press conferences, after press conferences. He's actually got more personality, has more about him than perhaps the Everton fans see because they get to see very little of him. I think there is a problem in that it's time for the fans to know about their manager and know who he is, what his philosophy is, what his personality is. I mean like what is his philosophy? I mean I believe from talking to him that he wants to play an Everton brand of football and I say that meaning Everton in terms of historically Everton have always been a club that has played decent, attractive, attacking football and I think he wants to do that. I genuinely do and I think he's tried and even on the weekends Everton played some, just in moments, played some brilliant football. You kind of forget that in how bad the second half was. First off, there are a couple of moments when they completely opened Sheffield United up with quick passing into changing and it was like that was good but it was just a couple of moments. He wants to do that as a team, as a club. But nobody really knows that. I mean, if I were to ask you, what is your from watching and you've had dealings with, you have dealings with the club, what is your impression of what his philosophy is? Well, I can only really go back to, obviously my eyes tell me what he wants but the players don't necessarily. At the moment we're too slow and I know that isn't something he wants us to be but we are. But anything about his vision, I can go back to the very first day he signed when he'd done a 15-minute interview with the club website saying, we're going to play 4-3-3. Well, we don't play 4-3-3. And he said that is preferred formation. So why don't we play 4-3-3 if that's what you want to play? So the club have never put anything out or they've never allowed them to sit down and say with yourself and just gone David, like for you to go Marco, you said that you wanted to play 4-3-3. How come you never play it? I give it, let him say, well, the reason why we don't play it is because of it. There's none of that. So I could sit here with him and go, I don't really know his evidence style. I could tell you what he was like at Wofford and what he was like at Hull and Olympiacos by looking and reading stuff. But with my eyes tell me, we're a little bit of a conungsum because we don't seem to have developed the style. And I don't know where we're going because the manager's not said anywhere it's not being betrayed. To me that is really important that you do get an idea of what your philosophy is. In part, let's be honest, one of the problems without question was that his English wasn't good enough so he couldn't convey it and he struggled to... Even now there are times when he speaks and I don't quite grasp what he says but to be fair to him, he's worked really hard on his English and he is much, much better and he's now able a little more. But also, I'm not sure that... I'm not sure the club are promoting him in the right way. I'm not sure they're giving him the platform that he actually needs to connect with the fans. Maybe the club need to go through the fans more, to do more forums with Silver to do more stuff like this, with you, even with me to sit down and talk about what his philosophy is. Just picking up on points you're saying he does want to play 4-3 so there's no doubt. I don't think he can yet because he just doesn't have the players or maybe he's got the players now but they're not yet ready so Gavin Min has injured, Gomez is not fit at the moment, the likes of Iwobi and Keen are not yet slotted into the side although Iwobi's come in and obviously he will play and I think eventually particularly when Keen settles in when Iwobi settles in and then they get the players back I think they can play 4-3 more often but at the moment he's trying to fit around players rather than fitting players into his system and ultimately you've got to you manager has to have a philosophy and then you've got to fit players into that philosophy. I was going to say that would be a criticism that I would have of him and I really like Marko and anyone who watches this will know sometimes they get a bit of stick for defending but I just think you've got to give people an opportunity but I would agree with that totally at times he's allowing players to dictate how we play rather than him and I look across the park and I'm really you know there's big differences in the two personalities of the manager but I know that when Klop went into Liverpool and Liverpool were quite similar to whatever at the moment, they were at the time Liverpool was 7-8 when Klop went in there so it was very similar when Klop went in and went this is the way I play and you're going to try and get the way I play and it worked to the first season was like that wasn't it he was 8th when he took over 30 games in shards he was still 8th but in that summer he bought players to help him and each year he's bought players you go into it but I think Marko's still suffering from exactly what you've just said there looking at the players he's got and going they can't probably play the way I want to play this way, someone like Sigurdsson you know Guilfee Sigurdsson, 15 goals last season 8 assists or whatever you know good season, good player but does he do whatever need him to do in a 4-3-3 now but is he good enough to give him a free role on the pitch now and that's where we're caught I can't disagree with that and I think I have to just kind of word this carefully but I wouldn't think that Silver going forward would see Sigurdsson as part of his plans ultimately as much as he is a very good player there's no doubt he's got a lot of talent but he's not for a start he doesn't fit that system that's quite simple and you know if your manager has always had a philosophy and a system and a player doesn't fit it then they don't they don't survive and you know you're ripping it up the problem Silver's got is is that I don't think he believes in the personality of Sigurdsson if I'm honest I don't think he thinks Sigurdsson has the big enough personality to impose himself on the big games on the I think he this is my interpretation I think he believes that Sigurdsson perhaps is is not a strong enough character in that sense to be able to say ok he doesn't fit my system but he's such a good player that we will adapt the system because he's a leader or whatever I don't think he's a leader is he and he he was at Spurs and didn't quite impose himself there goes back to Swansea and he's looks a fantastic player but you know the scrutiny at Everton is bigger than Swansea the demands are bigger and is he that sort of personality because that's what it's all about and he's a fantastic player don't get me wrong is he that personality I don't believe Silver believes that but the problem he's got he's still an important player in that squad because you know it's not a massive squad he didn't get all the players obviously you're not going to get all the players you want because I think he inherited a squad that was it needed so much work fully enough you drawn the comparison with Klopp Klopp had exactly the same he had a squad that was absolutely diabolical it was worse than Everton's squad at the time as you say quite rightly Everton had a better squad then and he took he took two years to get anywhere near the squad that he wanted and I think the same with with Silver it will take at least two years to get anywhere near so another two transfer windows the January and the summer before he gets anywhere near and the problem is going back to what I said earlier they've got weaknesses in in fundamental positions you've got you've got a centre half down there's no doubt and they did try you know let's face it they tried to get Zoomer they tried to get smalling and both of those would have been great signings and I know smalling has his critics but I think he would be more of a leader than they've got at the moment and he's got pace hasn't he? and he's got pace and actually pace is the thing that Silver desperately wants and you can see what he tried to do he's tried to get it Keen's got pace, Iwobi's got pace he's tried to bring I think Gaberman's got pace although we've not seen that yet but I think he's quicker he can be but there's no goal scorer and they tried to get a goal scorer there's no goal scorer I'm not sure Keen is an out and out goal scorer I think he probably sees him in a 4-3-3 not as he's centre forward personally I don't think Keen and he can develop but I think you buy him to play and it's what happens with a lot of young strikers they play in a 4-3-3 wider position and then as they mature and progress they become more central and his numbers aren't there as an out and out goal scorer obviously as a 19-year-old and Calvert-Lewin for me great centre forward not an out and out goal scorer either they needed down the spine of the team they're bringing Gaberman I did that I actually looked it up and learned how it should be said and then I still can't say it but he's going to take a season to settle in so basically you've now got a spine of a team where there are issues and obviously especially because he got injured Delphi is an experienced player and he's a good player he is a very very good player so again going back to what I said earlier the logic was there because you get a young guy in who can eventually take over and you bring an experience to cover for the loss of Ivedrissa and to me that was great but they didn't make the signings in the other areas so Silver's got a problem he needs the players that he doesn't really fit into his system he still needs them and he doesn't fit into his system at all he's not mobile enough and full enough I watched Manchester United of the West Ham last weekend and I watched Matt Hich and I was looking at him and I think he's snyddling he is snyddling he's okay but he doesn't bring that much you know I said this on our final word show they do a job which is just to try it out and the numbers look good but actually it's not what the team needs so you couldn't say snyddling you watched a match on Saturday and you couldn't say snyddling was three out of ten he was horrendous because he wasn't and his numbers were great but he actually just where he plays doesn't help because he isn't like you just said mobility is the key thing now he looked at United and I was thinking he's looking a little bit like Evan they've got some good players but for one reason or another the manager hasn't got the right mix together and they're not doing the right things it's actually the perfect analogy United and Everton are in the same boat at the moment and actually they're going to be around the same in the table for me personally because I think United don't have a goal scorer they just do not have a goal scorer at all they've got some good players and Everton have got look, they've got three or four very, very good attacking players Ricarlison can be absolute quality still very young can be absolute quality I think Keane could be Iwobi could be Bernard I love him but he's not a goal scorer and United have got exactly the same they've got some fantastic I love Marshall but he's never going to be that 25 goal I mean certainly not at the moment at least and Everton are a kind of in transition but mostly because it's going to take three or four windows to get the players they've got a decent director of football who knows clearly knows his business there's no doubt you can see what he's been trying to do it takes time and they've still got players on the books that they still haven't got rid of I was looking at the squad this morning and I'm thinking they've still got four or five players who are on massive money that are out on loan currently and they're paying three quarters of the wages and then no club these days can sustain that so, you know those issues are there and for all to see but I think I mean when I look at the league table obviously you look at stuff and I look at Everton squad and Lester are in vogue at the moment everyone's made a little bit less but I don't think Lester are much better than Everton I think what Brendan's done is get Brendan what Brendan's not just done is got a way of playing and they're all buying if they lose bad they're in massive trouble if they lose Madison they're in trouble but they're doing really well at the moment so that gives me confidence that Everton if they can get a way of playing and sustain it then they're not going to be a million miles away and if they're united like you've just said I don't think Everton are in that pack at the moment with West Ham, I think they're very much the same when you look at the Premier League there's Liverpool and City who are miles ahead of everybody and I think Spare's for me is still the verb but anyone from Arsenal Chelsea all those are all in a little bit of flux and I think that's what's driving the frustration of Everton I think from the fans cos you're looking and going there's an opportunity to get into your this year now at this moment it sounds mad because we're not playing well we've just lost our own to Sheffield United but there's still 32 league games left and Everton are 3 points off there or 4th or something at the moment but when you take all that aside cos that's where all the heat seems to be and you've just given some great reasons why the club aren't doing them and the team aren't doing what they should be doing but have you seen enough of him in your job to think that Everton need to persist not persist with him cos that sounds wrong Everton need to back him and just be nice and calm at the moment My interpretation of the last week is he himself has looked at it and he's gone he knows he's light he knows he definitely is and he knows it's key positions knows he lacks a leader he doesn't have a leader Gomez will take responsibility cos he'll take responsibility by wanting the ball and he'll be brave on the ball and that makes a difference so he'll want him back and hopefully he will be back hopefully this weekend but he knows he's light he knows he's got problems with a leader Delphi Hoats will step up and actually Delph came out after the game and did take some responsibility there and said look it's not good enough and it's not the manager it's us we have to so which is a good sign he knows the next three league games tough it's a tough run of games run of games when you've got a weakness at set pieces so Burnley will exploit your weakness at set pieces City that's a really tough game so he's got three big games he had a midweek cup game whereas if he loses that then all bets are off so he's come out and he's gone right you shouldn't criticise your players but we've got this situation what am I going to do and he goes I am going to tell the truth so he did he said some players were hiding it's not good enough he basically said Sheffield Wednesday this is it there's no more hiding this is the moment of truth he basically came out and said this is the moment of truth what have you got you can hide behind excuses you can moan about what's going wrong and we'll get onto this you can blame other people or you can stand up and take responsibility now it wasn't the greatest performance at Sheffield Wednesday but it was they won, they were solid they created chances they probably could have killed the game off some people came out and took responsibility which was a great sign some players stood up whereas they've not, like Holgate for me played well Sadibi did okay they've shown enough so Silver has shown he's got something and he's maybe laid a little marker down with his squad now there are other issues so what does he do now that's City next I can't expect to win that game but what he's got to do is now show character in that game he's got to say right we've won a game now it's time for character doesn't matter where they win or lose against City nobody's going to get sacked if you lose against City as if you lose 8-0 you know what I mean so he's got to say you and I had a conversation on Twitter and under David Moyes when City were a good side winning league to everything under David Moyes they had a spell of 12 games and they won 9 and that's when they'd already won a league in that period and they had some fantastic players Everton didn't give a shit they were like, in your face they didn't care about reputation they won at the Etihad as well as at Goodison it wasn't just Goodison but they used Goodison fans were up for it, atmosphere Moyes was front and up there manager on the top so I don't remember Mancini there was a game I mentioned it was early in the run before City had won the title but they had sent a forward Rabino he came on as a sub after 8 minutes and you could see why to get off cos he was like, what is this place what is going on these fans, this ground, this team I don't want to be here and he was off after about 60 minutes and it was like they battered them, there was another game I think when Fellaini absolutely bossed it we beat them 2-0 that was a day I thought he could be another Vieira this long and it's a shame he never did become another Vieira but it was like there were moments and you don't have to win but you need to produce that so let's see where the silver canal the next step is ok we won a game it's kind of a free hit as long as you don't lose 8-0 so let's see if there's character it's character you need and this is it I remember talking to Manchester City I remember us getting beat 3-0 by Wigan in the quarter final which was horrendous and a week later we played Manchester City we beat them 2-0 and for the title we beat them we were first at the time and we had Jan Mucher in goal he looked like he'd won a competition to be in goal and we kept the clean sheet so yes City you've got fabulous players yes when you watch them you pay because they're so good they go out of the weekend and stand up and be counter get the crowd engaged and put in a performance and if ever they put in a performance and work hard and lose I think the fans will go alright they are the best if not the best team to watch in the Premier League if not the one of the top 2 and we have to take that into bearly to be a different kind of game it'll be blood and thunder and we'll have to stand up and be counter if ever they're capable of that but only capable of that if every player stands up and I don't think we did last Saturday I think you've right the goal I think we were okay it was too easy against Sheffield United for 40 minutes and then when we went 1-0 down it was too easy to hide and in the second half it was just like you have it I don't want it or we are you have it and he's absolutely right to come out and say no one took responsibility no no no but you've actually spent some time with him away from even writing pieces about him you'd gone into Finch Farm and spent with a few other journalists and spent a bit of time what is his personality like what is he like because he comes across Peds made this point a couple of times you know when he does his press conference he comes out and he leans folding his arms body language he's very guarded and I know you can kind of 50-50 language so is he comfortable in his own language I know he had all his references Emery because the London press when he can convey in his own language he's great he's dead engaging but he doesn't come across in English very well and no potity was like this early on he didn't do anything in English but actually when you speak to him in English he's quite engaging and funny so what's Marko like is he closed or does he smile we don't see any of this we see a very stern you know what he does smile and he is quite funny he is intense there's no doubt about it because he is totally immersed in football he is intense the language is an issue it is an issue when he was saying and he just came out and said the players were hiding he actually said the players were widening because he still not quite got the language we corrected him and he did then say hide him but his language is not there to convey his intelligence as a manager because he quite clearly is I think he is tactically relatively sophisticated I think he thinks deeply about the game and I think he has more of a personality than his language still allows him to express but I believe that he's getting better he's spent a lot of time learning when he first came in he could barely speak English to be honest he really struggled now he speaks English but still there are times when it's a bit baffling not as bad as Emery who just baffles me every time I've interviewed him he's like it's gibberish it sounds English but it isn't I'm not criticising for that because he's learning he speaks far better English than I speak Spanish but clock used to talk in riddles when he first arrived at Liverpool it sounded great and then you'd go through the transcript and it was like it doesn't actually make much sense but now he is sophisticated in his language so let's give Silver the benefit of the doubt and if you point a foreign manager who's not completely English language then I think you have to accept you have to accept he's going to learn and it will hold back his personality the biggest problem I see is he got people onside at the club there was a story came out in one of the papers I think it was in the Times and it was after the defeat and it was clearly from an agent it was clearly dropped by the agent of a player probably one who's not playing or he's like probably let's not narrow it down too much but probably someone with a London based agent because the story came from London not from part of our patch so dripping a bit of poison saying the players the players are bored losing faith in him he's doing too much on the training ground they're spending all the time doing set pieces hang on a minute let's defend him for a bit all the fans have been against silver but Everton have had a weakness at set pieces they resolved it last season it's come back this season now if you're a player and you're showing a weakness at set pieces you cannot criticise if the manager is getting you on the training ground saying right we are going to practice set pieces until it's sorted so if you don't want to spend hours on the training ground sort out the set pieces don't complain or it's too boring get on the training ground sort it out show strength and resilience during a game so for me silver actually saying to the players right we're doing this don't care you are doing this and then he came out after the game and went you're hiding we're doing this this is our moment of truth we're going to go for it so maybe there's more personality there than he's able to show press conferences he'll come out he'll do his press conference he can be a bit intense language is a bit of a problem he'll never hide loads of managers I know they'll hide you ask them a question and they basically they're not asking me that question and you get to a point when you know you can't ask questions because it's a waste of time you'll never do that silver so fair play to him for that he goes off and then does some TV and he comes back and when he does that he'll always stop and have a little chat sometimes it can be a bit embarrassing because you know they might have been beaten but I think he's got more about him than we're getting to see I mean I don't know I'm not claiming to be I'm certainly not saying I'm a friend of his or anything like that but I've warned to him a little bit because I think he's shown a bit of personality whereas even in his first year I was thinking he's got no personality either but I think it was a lot of it is the language and I think he is quite an intense manager but then David Moyes was an intense manager and he didn't often joke Moyes he didn't often sometimes I wondered whether he had the best sense of humour I used to try and joke with him and he'd be a bit blank but I mean a brilliant manager a brilliant manager no matter what criticism you get of him now he was a brilliant manager and I think silver I think silver can be a better manager than he we are currently seeing and people currently give him credit for Do you think the club should do a little bit more to try to convey that personality over to the fans just to get listen loads of fans back him some fans don't like him because they didn't really want him anyway they wanted someone with higher credentials but he's here and he's the manager so I think the club needs to do a little bit more to shell to those maybe fans who are a little bit unsure would you agree or I agree absolutely I think my own feelings a club needs to do more to sell themselves full stop I think make some personalities there's not many personalities around the club at the moment and you need personalities you need people to be able to see the human side of the club I'm not sure we're getting to see the human side of Everton and there is you know there's some great characters there there really are and they're not doing anywhere near enough to sell it and you know I'm very reluctant to come on here and start comparing Liverpool to Everton but after that experience I mean I go in every week to both clubs literally every week to both clubs and I can see that Everton have as many personalities as Liverpool but they're not promoting in the same way now is it because Liverpool just have a natural clock half of his personality is made up obviously and that's not a criticism of him he's a great manager and he's great for us so I'll always be I'll always back a manager who's good for the media and so I start losing obviously but he knows how to promote himself but I think the club also embrace that his promotion of himself and use it as a really big personality thing now also you get players like James Milner at Liverpool who actually know how to promote themselves everyone says he's boring but he buys into that and you can see they get a lot of stuff behind the scenes there's no personality there and even Henderson is the same he's a big character and important character Everton have got those players but they're not getting the promotion the manager doesn't because not his English isn't good enough doesn't really have the ability to promote himself like clock does but he still has a passion and he came out and he came out after the weekend and he said I want you to be more Everton and then somebody said to him what is be Everton and then he had an answer and he says Everton is this and he says Everton has this in their DNA Everton has this personality Everton has this history and I want passion I want fight for this club I want us to play in the way that this club was played so and again it's like oh actually he gets Everton he knows what Everton is he's not just I'm at Everton until it's a stepping stone for another club he actually he's put on the spot he said I want you to be Everton and then somebody goes well what is Everton and he's putting him on the spot and then I reckon he would have done that to some other dice he'd have gone and he wouldn't have had an answer Silver did have an answer and actually a lot of it was what Everton is he understands Everton's history and Everton's history is as a big club with a real identity and Everton have had that identity for you know certainly as far back as I remember and as far back as I can read about so certainly 50 years I don't know anything about pre second world war Everton but I know post second world war Everton and the personality and the identity that they had obviously you then get in the 60s school of science but I think Silver understands that and so I think he knows what you know I mean not as well as you know but he knows that Everton can't just be obviously they need success but they can't just be a club who can you know try and win things by being defensive play long ball they can't really do that and I think he understands that as well so ok if he does and I I'm guessing that he does but I've seen evidence that he does let's get it out there and show the fans because I think if the fans really believe that then that would be some of the battle and I'll just finish on that by saying Everton if they beat city can still go into the top four at the weekend you know so like and if they beat city and go in the top four I mean it is it's not impossible they're not going to win you would imagine but they're not going to beat them nor it's beat them exactly and if Everton can show passion and commitment and fight and get the fans behind them they can easily win you know if they can show some of what we have seen and we've been there in all of those games I've been there when city came top and totally dominant got battered by Everton so it can happen if that happens and they then go in the top four then it's not a crisis is it and then if you on the back of that can get the fans to understand the manager actually does know what Everton is and isn't just there for a season and he's trying to build something which he says he's trying to build and he is trying to build then maybe you know people will buy into it a bit more but it takes it takes everyone it takes the club to change their promotion of him to change their personality at the moment the club's personality what is it I don't know what does the owner stand for I don't know what does the board stand for they do a lot of work around the community but are they actually engaging with the fans as much as they should be doing are they engaging with the manager with you with me are they engaging with us we have different experiences but we both say we are not engaging as much so all of these things it's not just the manager it's the club the manager the players have to buy into it and the fans too so I can't disagree with any of that it's exactly what we want and it's great to hear from obviously David isn't it an Evertonian so he can use his professional experience to give us that view as well big thanks I'm not an Evertonian but I've been covering Everton for 30 years in my job covering Everton for almost 30 years so I know what Everton is and I know what I know being a guy's job is to cover Everton and to know about Everton I know what Everton were are and can be so as much as as any die hard fan I would I understand and I believe that Everton can still be that passionately believe that and I think the time you know the time has come for the club to understand that and to say this is what Everton should be in the top 6 you know you just said and quite rightly Spurs may be the third best but they're having a nightmare season United are in disarray Arsenal are in bit of a term or Chelsea I think will struggle this season you know had Everton bought two more players in the summer Everton could be challenging for the top 4 never mind top 6 but certainly could be top 6 this season easily it's time for the club to grasp that and say right this is where we want to be because we are big enough and have enough about the club and enough history and the fans are passionate enough for us to be there and that can happen definitely and the change of identity within the club and it also needs the fans to buy into that as well and I think that will can happen and will happen well I think I absolutely agree and I think again something me and Peadiff said is that what is the MO from the club what is it, it's great having far having sherry in the background doing different things spending money getting the new ground and blah blah blah but the club haven't come out and gone I changed Madison at the weekend to go to win it against Tottenham saying we're a big team now and we're not afraid to say so Everton moved the other way from that and okay Everton were to beat Manchester City on Saturday night with anyone from Everton come out and go we're a big club so we will be in that now we kind of go leave us in the shadows a little and I think that's okay to say it next time but I think sometimes you do have to front it up and go we actually want to be a team that tries to get into that truffle tries to win the league yeah it sounds a million miles away but I would have laughed at any Liverpool fan in 2015 saying to me we want to win the league well it did laugh when Klopp said we want to win the league in four years and this is the fourth year and they might win it but you made that comparison it was such a great comparison Liverpool and Everton were in similar positions when Klopp arrived and had similar squads and they've not spent a dissimilar amount of money so it certainly is possible if they beat City and it is a ground where it is a ground and a team and a stadium and a fan base that can beat City and if they beat City I want to hear people come out and afterwards and say Everton, Goodison Park historically has always been a ground where any team can lose where the biggest teams can lose because it is a big club a huge club with a ground that any side hates playing and if they need to come out and say that and I want to hear that if they do and you're right stop hiding away stop playing it down nobody wants to go to Goodison nobody because they always think if Everton are playing well the fans are behind them it's one of the worst places to go in European football and Liverpool are traded on that in Europe but with Amfield Everton could be a worse place to go than Amfield Lampard is the hardest ground to play it absolutely is but it just takes the belief that it is and it's there and it's time for Everton to kick on one final thing obviously I've gone on far too much I also want to know what the owner what the owner truly believes in he's never sat down and told us ever I've never spoken to him I've never spoken to him he's mad I work for the largest selling newspaper on Merseyside by some distance who still speaks for the fans and he's never come out directly and addressed the fans through the big selling paper so where is he where is he at what does he believe in I'd love to know that and I'd love to see that he believes in Everton there's the gauntlet for Everton address some of these issues cos it's not just fans saying it like David just said the north west biggest selling newspaper hasn't got a clue we need to reach out big thanks to David for your time he isn't a red remember that listen thanks very much subscribe if you're having already give this video a like want more videos join us on python it's fine I deserve it thanks very much for your later