 But what we tend to do when we sit down at an interview is get really close to the furniture, you know? And we'll probably want to touch the furniture. Some of us might hang onto the furniture like it's a fairground ride of death. What I want you to do is think about being your stomach area, your navel being a hand span away from the edge of the table. That means the interviewer can see more of you. When insufficient data we default to negative. So if I hide myself behind the table, they're going to default to negative ideas about me. I want positive ideas around me. So I'm just trying to show them more so I can give these truth-playing gestures, open palm gestures and navel height away from the table and they can see me, they're going to trust me more.