 I think that the librarian is the natural ally of the wikipedia because we're both communities that use incredible pedantry for public good. So librarians, Brian Kelly did this blog post of the attributes of a librarian and the attributes of wikipedia and then they match perfectly. Although he doubted that wikipedia's are interested in books but I'm more interested in my book collection now and digging through it as a wikipedia. So librarians, I've had the greatest negativity and also the greatest positivity from the academic librarian community in doing wikipedia outreach and some see this kind of threatening, they see themselves as kind of gatekeepers to expensive databases and tools and we're not going to bother with this freely available public stuff and some see some sort of curators and spreaders of knowledge and enablers of digital literacy and here's something where you can teach the literacy because the publication process is open. It's not like the textbook, you get the textbook and there's been an editing process, there's been controversy but you don't see that you just see the finished item with wikipedia you can actually see the battles being fought by different factions trying to fight over that. So learn about these pictures, the reviews, the article histories, the debates, the controversy the different quality standards and teach students this and teach them to... that's the crucial part of induction that a lot of educators in universities and schools are still trying to tell learners to pretend wikipedia doesn't exist, don't use it at all and then they'll have a question like an assignment like what kind of philosophy is John Locke associated with and the student goes and searches Google and takes them to wikipedia about John Locke and it says and it gives it the exact form of word to join to the question so they copy that and they get marks with it so they're told not to use wikipedia but they're given marks for using this that's not, we can't pretend it doesn't exist, we have to engage with it including pointing out its faults which is fine as for the mountains of stuff, digital and books that librarians are sitting on open up events where people come in and photograph special collections and actually encourage them to upload to commons and so I've just written a book chapter about DIY digitisation and some special collections invite the public in and say bring your phone, photograph a document but keep the image to yourself or only share it under a fully copyrighted licence and no, if you have that gift of being able to interact with this physical document as a piece of cultural heritage give that opportunity out to the people, don't restrict the benefits to yourself and the best way to share that with other people is put it on commons, tag it for all the identifiers for where it came from, where this physical thing is and give us your stuff, give us your stuff please I used to University of Bristol electronic resources to improve wikipedia and that's probably the application of some of the resources that gets the biggest readership like I said, 10,000 to 1000s of people a day so that treated as something embarrassing or simple but that's the main function of the library in preserving that knowledge and that scholarship sorry, it's a bit of a rant