 Okay, just wanted to share one scripture, something that we know, Colossians chapter 3 and verse 17. Colossians 3 verse 17 says, and whatever you do, whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. Okay, I think there's a lot of wisdom in that, a lot of guidelines to walk as led by the Spirit. And whatever you do, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. Again, verse 23, and whatever you do, do it heartily as unto the Lord and not to men. I think these two verses combine a lot of wisdom, comes back in a lot of guidelines for walking uprightly. If we would just remind ourselves, okay, I'm doing something, can I do it in the name of the Lord? Can I do it in the name of the Lord Jesus? Because it says, whatever you do, do it in the name of the Lord. Can I do this in the name of the Lord? Will this glorify God? Will this honor Him? Can I do it in His name, meaning with the authority and in His place, representing Him? And then verse 23, whatever you do, do it heartily, which means wholeheartedly as not unto men, but unto the Lord Himself. Okay, so these two verses just want to remind us that if we would hold on to these nuggets of wisdom, then we would be walking upright. I think there will be less confusion, right? We all want to know, okay, what is the right way? What should I do? But even before that, as a precursor to that, foundation to that would be to have this written in our hearts and say, okay, as far as my knowledge goes, as far as what I can understand, let me do this. So let's pray and say, God, you know, you lead me. You remind me, you lead me. And I want to keep these two verses, Colossians 3.17 and Colossians 3.23 in my heart. Father, we just thank you for this day, Lord, even as we come to your presence, Lord, we thank you for this exhortation from these scriptures, Lord. Yes, they are indeed life-giving. They are spirit and they are life, Lord. Your word, Master, we ask, oh Father God, that we will practically walk in this. That you will enable us to walk in this, Father God, that enable us to do all in your name, Father God. Enable us to do heartily whatever we do as unto you, Father God. And may we see the fruit of that, Lord, daily in our lives. Yes, Master, to this end we commit ourselves into your mighty hands. In Jesus' master's name we pray. Amen. Amen. Okay. So people, dealing with people. So yeah, one of the things that we need to understand, and we need to come to terms with this, that ministry is about people. People, and that is why God so loved the world and sent son into the world, sent Jesus to die for us. That is why the Great Commission is going to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. It is because of people. People are in God's heart. And so also, when we as leaders or ministers, we need to have people in our hearts. So the challenges are many. We need to learn to relate in the right manner to all kinds of people. Mature, immature, people ignorant, knowledgeable, whatever. Young old, we need to be able to relate to people in order to work with people. So like somebody said, 15% of success in any job if you take, it's related to the technical skill that you might have. I can do the job well. Be it a programmer, be it a technical work or anything you can think of. 15 to 20% is the knowledge of the work or how they get the job done. But the balance, 85% or 80% is because of how they can relate to people. Some people can be very highly skilled, but totally unable to relate to people. For example, last night I went to this Iron Man. Iron Man meaning not Marvel Iron Man, but ironing to get this clothes pressed. So I just went there and there are two Iron Men I meet, especially when I have a lot of clothes to iron. So one person is like, at the end of the day, he doesn't care whether you bring 10 clothes, 20 clothes. He says, today I can't do it. And I ask, it's still not closing time. Why? You give me tomorrow. He says, no, no, no. You come tomorrow. I can't do it. That is one guy. The other guy, he's a good guy. He does ironing well. Again, same problem. He says, no, I can give you only after two, three days, you'll say. Then that's it. You'll just turn around and go back and do his work. So both these guys are highly skilled. But when it comes to people, when it comes to relating to people, they are very bad. So something that we learn is that they might be filling a need. They might be having the technical knowledge. They might be providing solutions. But if we are unable to relate to people, same thing in ministry, like we might be highly gifted, skilled, et cetera, anointed and all, but then we need to be able to work with people, have people in our hearts. So in ministry, we work with people, we learn from others. We are gifted and anointed to serve one another. We disciple others. And that's nothing but people. And God has given us the fourfold ministry, which we say in Ephesians 4, to equip the saints for the work of ministry. So let's look at five principles. Five principles, a set of things that we can repeat, that we can do. And let's see, these five principles actually enable us to prepare ourselves in order to relate to people. The first one, so this is adapted from John C. Maxwell's book. The first one is called the Lens Principle, meaning how do we see ourselves? I'm sure as children, we've used these glasses. It'll have rose-colored lenses, plastic glasses. You go to an exhibition or somewhere, they'll give you some green color, red color. And the whole world looks green. The whole world looks red, whatever color the glass is. So the lens principle is how do you see yourself? It's nothing but about the in Christ truth. How do you see yourself? Because if you see yourself as superior, if you see yourself as someone who is better than everyone else, then the way we relate to people will be based on that. So we will treat others shabbily. We will think that these guys don't know anything. But if we look at ourselves as inferior, meaning everyone knows, everyone is better than me. I am nothing. If you consider yourself to be inferior, then also the way you relate to people will be, it's going to be different. So you might act, say something in order to show people that actually you're not inferior. You might constantly be fighting. You might constantly be saying things, doing things. Just to show people, hey, I'm actually good. Because inside we are thinking, I'm not good. I'm not good enough. I'm not skilled enough. I don't have the qualifications inside. You're thinking that way. So constantly we're trying to prove to others. Maybe somebody says something and you say something better than that. Somebody gives some information and you say, actually it is like this. You say something, two things, three things more than that, because you want to feel better. So the lens principle actually influences how we relate to others. If you look at how people interact with you, how people interact with people. If you introspect, you'll see that, okay, this is really what it is. So it is very important that we base our image, that we change our lens. Maybe the lens that we are using is not really giving us the right focus. That means the way we look at ourselves, maybe it's not correct. And the best place to go is the Word of God. And the best person to go is the Lord Himself who will correct and bring focus to how He sees us. And the minute we see ourselves the way He sees us, then the way we relate to others will dramatically change. Completely change. So we will not be putting down others. We will not be maybe overextending ourselves in order to please others. We will not be people-pleasers. We will not be people who will put down ourselves constantly in front of people. We will not do anything of that sort because we are seeing ourselves in the right way. So the first thing is that, sometimes you think, okay, the way I look at myself, how does that help in relating to people? That goes a long way. And that's a big thing. What is the second thing? Second thing is also that it's something similar to this. It's called the mirror principle. So lenses, it gives a clear focus on who we are. A mirror shows, again, who we are. We look at ourselves and we see the image of ourselves. Meaning that we must be self-aware. What our strengths are, what our weaknesses are, desires are, what our motivations are. The psalmist says this, he prays this. He says, Psalm 139, 2024, he says, Search me, oh God, and know my heart. Try me and know my anxieties and see if there is any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting. So, you know, sometimes certain things about us, it's actually hidden. It's hidden. We don't understand. We don't really know. We think that, hey, this is perfectly fine. But then the Lord says, no, there are some things that needs to change that are hidden. Like in physics, you learn something called strength of material. Which means that certain metals, when they check the strength of it, let's say, you know, they want to make a rocket or a satellite. They want to launch into space. Now they need to make sure that the metal is the strongest quality possible. Why? Sorry, it could melt because of the heat. There's a lot of pressure acting on it. And because of that, it could crumble. And it will be dangerous if there are people in it. There's costly equipment, expensive equipment there. And if there are people, it will be dangerous because if there is a crack, then the oxygen escapes and, you know, the person inside is not able to breathe. So it becomes any fault or any weakness in the metal is dangerous. But the thing is, the metal could look strong. Like if you look at, you know, let's say, you know, the legs of the table, which are iron, cast iron, right? It seems strong. But let's say if it is rusted on the inside. If it is even a little bit rusted on the inside, then the strength is compromised. The strength is reduced because it is eaten away because of the moisture. Same thing, you know, in a rocket or something, what they do is find out if there is a fault in the metal inside. I don't know what they use, what technology to see if there is any vacuum, any air bubble when it was actually cast, right? When it was actually molded to see that if anything like that is there, then it's not going to stand the pressure. It's not going to withstand the heat. So, when we look at ourselves, we see a picture, but the Lord knows what we need to change about ourselves. So the thing is this, the mirror principle is again getting a true picture, being self-aware. What does being self-aware mean? About yourself, but what aspect of yourself? What is our potential? What we are capable of? Yeah, just awareness of who we are. For example, this little nephew of mine, I think he was about, he's grown up now. He's three years, four years. If you see a child of that age, sometimes they behave badly. They throw tantrum. They're in a bad mood. They're saying, no, I don't want to eat. And the thing is they are maybe throwing things. They are not responding to whatever you're saying. And you find out that they are not able to understand what is actually going on inside of them. Maybe they are missing their parents who's not there, or maybe they are hungry or maybe they are sleepy. They want to rest, but they are not aware of all these things. So they get very moody. They're not able to communicate. This is what is happening to me. So they become angry. They become upset. They throw these things. They're doing all these things because they are not self-aware of that age, at that age. Now what would happen if we are self-aware, we would know, okay, I need some rest now. Maybe if I just take a nap for about 30 minutes, I'll be fine. Or maybe I need to drink something. I'm hungry right now and that's because of which I'm feeling all this. Maybe I'll just drink some water, let's say, till I can get something to eat. Something like that. So you're aware. And also you're aware of what your strengths are. It is a right estimation of yourself, which doesn't mean that if you're aware that, okay, I don't have these gifts. I don't have these abilities. It doesn't mean that you look down upon yourself. Okay. Let's say, you know, you're thinking, okay, I can't paint. I'm not an artist. That doesn't mean that you look down on yourself. Right. It's just that you appreciate the other person who does that. And you don't get into those areas. Right. If somebody asks and says, hey, can you do this? This is not my area of strength unless I work at it. I get better at it. Then maybe I can, you know, I can get into this area. Right. So I don't want to get into this area. Let someone else get into this area, because I know it's a correct estimation of myself. And I see that that strength needs to be developed in that area. Okay. I'm not going to put down myself, but I'm going to say that, you know, strength needs to be developed. So I'm not there yet. So, you know, so that, so that's the mirror principle. So if we would understand that, if we would be self aware, then we would relate to people better. Just that, like that example of that child, you know, if you understand that, okay, I'm actually a little upset right now. Right. Then you would not, you know, you would not behave badly or you would not, when you're interacting with people, you'll be a little careful. Right. With your words, you would be careful with your actions. Okay. Okay. Any questions? Lens principle, mirror principle. Okay. The third one is something called the pain principle. Okay. So that means that when people are hurting, they tend to hurt others. Okay. So it means if you are hurting, well, till you come to that place of your hurt or your pain being relieved of that or healed of that, then the thing is that if somebody is there to inflict more pain, you will hurt others. You will hurt others. Okay. So which means that, you know, hurt people, hurt people. Right. Hurt people, hurt people. Because they are hurt, they hurt others. Right. And it could, and it's a thing, you know, you see that, you know, even with animals, you know, if something is, it could be the most wonderful pet dog or cat, whatever you have. But if it's got some wound and you go and try and pet it. Right. It's got some wound. You try and pet it. It lashes back. It scratches you or bites you because it is hurt. It's in pain. Right. So the thing is that, yeah. So the proportion to which we respond will not be, you know, in equal proportion in the sense when we are, when we are, when everything is fine, and if somebody says something against you, somebody says something about you, you will just brush it off. You'll just keep going. Okay. That you'd maybe even laugh at it and go. But if you are hurting, if you are already upset, if you're in a bad mood, and if someone says something, then the way you respond to it is not in response to what they said. You know, that person himself or herself will be upset, will be shocked. You know, why is he shouting? Why is she responding this way? The fact is that they are already going through some hurt and therefore they are not processed. They have not come to terms with it. Therefore, whatever provocation they retaliate, they respond and the response is not in proportion to whatever that person said. Right. You understand, right? Okay. So if there are unsolved issues, then we won't be able to objectively look at people, assess people. We won't be able to objectively look at ourselves. So in effect, this hampers or this hinders the way we relate to people. Okay. So as a way to prepare ourselves to deal with people, we need to, that's why, you know, we look at the inner wholeness class. You know, we're saying that we need to heal from these hurts. We need to deal with these hurts. We can't just let them be undersolved because it's going to affect our interaction with people. You know, it could be people closest to us. It could be people, you know, who are, you know, whom we are working with in our team, ministry, whatever. The thing is we can actually hide it for some time. Right. And it's possible. We can hide it for some time. We can do that. But eventually it is, it will just come out. Right. Eventually it will come out because we can't be hiding. We cannot be always careful all the time. The mask comes off and then we, you know, we respond. Right. So, so the thing is this, that we need to, you know, deal with our own hurts. Now the question is, how do we deal when others and others who are hurting hurt us? So that's the thing. Right. So we need to look at that also objectively. You know, why is this person behaving like this? Right. They are usually okay. But why are they doing this? You know, are they hurt in some way? Are they, have they got something, you know, going on in their lives because of which they are saying this, they are doing this, or they are not saying anything. They are not doing what they're supposed to be doing. Right. So we can actually look at people and say objectively, see, okay, beyond their words, beyond their hurts and say, okay, what is the actual problem? Okay. So while, you know, we may not be able to solve the problem, we can actually suggest to them, hey, there is a problem that needs to be resolved. Right. Okay. So, so these are some, you know, very basic practical things, which we, which we need to consider when we, these are like a foundational thing, right? When we need to consider when we are relating to other people. The fourth one is something called the hammer principle. Okay. This is also in relation with what we looked at earlier, the pain principle. It's like the hammer principle in the sense, you know, when you want to, when you want to hit a mosquito, what do you use? You just use your hand, you use maybe a paper, mosquito bat. Yeah. But you will not use a hammer. Right. You will not use something so heavy. You will not use a chair. You will not use a table. You know, and it's like this, the hammer principle is that why are we overreacting when somebody says something, when somebody does something, why is that overreaction happening? Right. We need to, we need to understand. Is it because of something that is pent up? Is it something because, you know, sometimes people say, you know, we might be overhearing some conversation. One guy says something. The other guy says something and we're wondering what is happening? Why are they being so rude to each other? You know, because we don't understand, but there is a history, you know, there is a history behind it. You know, maybe there are some old things, some old rivalries, some old, you know, whatever hurt which is there between the two people and then comes the rudeness and we are, you know, we kind of feel stuck in between, right? So the thing is, you know, how do we, how do we deal with it? Okay. Like maybe it is when we are dealing with others and then we feel that, okay, I feel like I've taken a hammer, you know, that person is doing something, saying something, I feel like I'm taking a hammer in the sense my response to that seems to be so strong or I want to be so strong, just pause and think, why am I feeling that way? Here are some things to help us. The total picture, you know, what will help us is to get the total picture when somebody is saying something, when somebody is giving a suggestion, okay, listen fully, ask questions, clarify and then respond, okay? So don't immediately jump the gun, don't immediately pounce on them, just listen, clarify, ask questions and then respond. So that will help us not to go with the heavy hand, okay, not to go with the hammer and just, so what happens is, okay, we're trying to solve the problem, we're trying to put things in place, we're trying to hit the mosquito, but we damage the person, right? We damage, so that is what we call as collateral damage, right? And I remember watching one, actually one comic strip where, you know, where these two superheroes are fighting, I think it's like Superman and some villain, they're fighting, you know, not Batman, some of the, you know, they're fighting, they're hitting and then, you know, one hit and then this guy goes, falls into the building, crashes the building, you know, that guy goes into saying, so finally both of them are, you know, finished the fight, they are standing and they look around, it's all, all buildings are down, everything is a rubble, you know, people have left, cars are all upturned, you know, they have planes, everything is, because there's been collateral damage, right, a lot of damage, so when we go with the hammer, if I hit the mosquito, mosquito can be killed, but there will be damage to the person, damage to the environment, more than the mosquito, more than the solution, right, so, so what will help us is to get the total picture from the person, okay, what is it, ask, okay, second one, you have a question, okay? Yeah, you can probably, yeah, use the mic, yeah. What we want to hit is not a fly, but a wolf. Sorry, what if, what is? What is like, we said like, we can't hit a fly with a hammer, but what if, what we want to hit is not a fly, but it's like a wolf, big one, big problem. It is a nail. Yeah, what if it is. Yeah, then that's fine. Yeah, so we are going to look at that, we're going to look at, see one of the things that we need to, in order to relate to people is also confrontation, like, so you're talking about confrontation, right, I need to, so this problem requires a hammer. So how do I use the hammer and how do I use it in a healthy way, right, where the problem is solved, but also, you know, hopefully we can just move on. Now hopefully, you know, there could be something, some, you know, some corrective measure, there could be some consequence, that is what we are referring to as damage, but how can we move on beyond that? Okay, so we have what is called, you know, a confrontation, a healthy confrontation, we look at that, right, okay. Okay, so total picture, the second one is also timing, you know, act in a timely manner, in the sense, you think about it, is this the right time to address it, or, you know, should I wait? Sometimes waiting is not helping, waiting is just building the problem, right, you're getting angry, the other person is also getting, you know, angrier and it's not really helping, so sometimes the time is now, you know, for us to act, okay. Third thing is the tone, okay, so if somebody screams and you are tempted to scream back louder, try, try speaking softly, try lowering your voice, right, try even lowering your, you know, like they say, you know, go to the lower octave, don't go, don't go higher, but go lower, right, this, it actually has a calming soothing effect, right, somebody shouting and they say, boss, boss, wait, right, yeah, so and then the temperature, temperature meaning if the reaction, you know, maybe there's somebody's provoking, but if your reaction is less than the action, then the whole environment changes because the whole mood comes down, right, okay, so if we need to do this, you know, if we need to, we can think of all these practical things, but also, you know, we need to understand a lot of times we come with a heavy-handed approach because we are also thinking of all the other times that person created the problem, okay, you're interacting with the person, you know the person, you know all the times that you have said, you know, some 5 times, 6 times, 10 times you have said you have had this conversation and it has not, it has not been good, okay, now the 11th time you're talking about the very same thing that the person should have corrected, changed, right, so 10 plus 1, 11, you know, so that's the kind of, you know, intensity with which you normally address, right, so one thing to help is, let this pass stay in the past, forget it, yes, 10 things have happened, 10 times it has happened, but look at it, look at this instance afresh, right, second one is to ask a question, you know, is my reaction, my reaction part of the problem, okay, so have I contributed to the problem with my reaction, okay, so that's also another thing, no, the way I reacted, meaning I could have reacted, sometimes not saying anything on, you know, where I'm supposed to is also a reaction, right, I was supposed to say something, I was supposed to do something, but I didn't do it, that is also a reaction, right, so is my reaction to whatever happened, is it did that contribute to the problem, okay, also remember that actions are remembered long after words are forgotten, so if words have led to action, meaning could have been a physically violent thing or maybe like you throw something, like I remember my father once he was very angry for something, he was all sitting at the table, having dinner and he was so angry about something that we had that he had, he used to drink from this stainless steel, not stainless steel, I think it was more like a silver kind of a thing, he just crushed it, he was so strong, he was so angry and he just said something and he just crushed it, now I don't know why he was angry, okay, I remember then but I don't remember now, whatever words were spoken, I don't remember, but that action is fresh in my mind, right, what was that action, he just with one hand he crushed the tumbler, okay, and it was fresh in my mind, so he just showed how angry he was, how upset he was, now I don't know why I've forgotten it, but that very act is still in my mind, okay, so that's what it is, actions are remembered, we forget why, what happened why, but then everybody remembers why, what we did, they'll forget the conversation, they'll forget the context, they'll remember what we did, so remember that, right, when you're dealing with people and we are going with a hammer, never let the situation mean more than the relationship, sorry there's a typo there, more than the relationship, okay, so that's I think self-explanatory, right, so you consider the relationship, that doesn't mean you compromise on the truth, right, you consider the relationship, deal with dignity, deal with honor because of the relationship, right, but which means truth has to be spoken, consequences has to be there, right, if things are not done, okay, never let the situation mean more than the relationship with one, treat the loved ones with, treat your loved ones with unconditional love, admit wrongs and ask forgiveness, and you say unconditional love, you're saying, okay, you know, when there is forgiveness, okay, after, I mean, or when the situation, when there's repentance and extent forgiveness, right, do not hold back, do not bring back the past, you know, some of these things will overlap in some of the topics that we're going to see in, you know, so treat the loved ones with unconditional love, admit wrongs and ask for forgiveness, whatever wrongs are there from our side, we need to admit it, we cannot say, no this is too, this is a small thing, what I did was small thing, what I did was, what I did was small thing, it was wrong, it was wrong, right, so however small it is, admit it, because the tendency is we tend to compare that with the other person's wrong thing, that was like 10 times bigger, so this is nothing, you know, we tried to justify it by saying, okay, this is insignificant compared to that, so why should I admit it, no, if it is wrong and you know it's wrong, admit that, okay, so these things will help us to do what, why are we studying this, sorry, yeah, yeah to help us to start relating to people in a successful way, right, because these are the very things that break down relationships, right, these are the very things that create problems, right, these are the things that we will have challenges like these, right, so if we would be, so this is like equipping ourselves beforehand, okay, I learn about this, I'm aware of this and when the situation happens, I get to use this and see the fruit of that, right, okay, any questions here, what if someone, why should we win people, yeah, that's another viewpoint in the sense, which means that we don't, you know, we don't have God's art for people. Yeah, I mean, like see, there are some people when some conference is happening, when this pastor is speaking about winning people's hearts, so one of the guys is asking, if we are trying to be good to others, if people around us are too toxic to just show their attitude and just want to, want themselves to win to be in the higher place, what is the need to win people or what is the need to be in a good relationship with them on the other perspective, we can be aware of ourselves and we can be happy what is the need? So the situation could be, you know, like where, like you said, your circle, so what if there are people like that in your circle, in the sense, you know, sometimes it happens, right, you maybe you're in a work situation, you don't, you know, there are people in your team who are like that or maybe, you know, ministry and there are people like that in the church, right, so it happens, so how do we relate to them, right, irrespective of how they are, how do we relate to them, so this will actually help us to relate to them, like this hammer principle especially and the pain principle helps us, you know, the truth is that something is wrong with them and it could be because of something in their home that they are reacting like this, they're behaving like this, maybe something to do with their marriage, maybe something to do with their parenting, something like that, you know, that's why, so an awareness of that helps us to respond in the right way, that doesn't mean we will not correct, that doesn't mean we will not spell out the consequences, you know, we're not saying that we're going to tolerate and we're just going to, you know, just keep going like that, no, there will be consequences we need to share with them, right, especially if it is a team, if it is hurting the team or if it is an organization and it's hurting the organization, we need to tell them, you know, there is a price, you know, there is a cost, everything comes at that, so while we will be understanding, we will try to help, but you know, this will be the consequence of it, so the thing is that when such people are there this will help us to you know, relate to them and yes, you know, what if they change so we can't change them but what if your action changes them, transforms them, right, they could be the most toxic people ever but what if your action or your response changes them, right yeah so yeah so that is what I would say okay, anything any other questions, anything else what do you think, do you think it will help it's practical, possible yeah which one, hammer, huh which one in hammer the situation mean more than that of the relationship hmm what if they get offended yeah yeah it's spoiled like it affects our relationship so that's the danger so when we people get offended, people might misunderstand but we are doing all is possible in your part at the end of the day, you should be able to say, hey, I did everything right, I did everything possible and yet the danger did not come so if you can say that honestly, it's great right, so you've done everything possible yeah, that's a mistake that's a hesitate to hmm hmm yeah, that's a thing in my own life I've hesitated correcting people and it's bounced back so badly and then years after that I realized, oh, I should have for them, you know it just actually led to their destruction, you know so destruction is a strong word some not so nice things happening in their life so then I realized, yeah, I should have corrected it I was just being nice very user friendly you know saying the right things, you know I think we need to be able to share the truth truth hurts sometimes but we need to be able to, that's why scripture talks about speaking the truth in love right, so yeah, so that's this hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm no, that's why we need to communicate the whole thing properly and so why are they thinking that they are correct right, which means we are not told them that this is wrong okay this is, I mean we are just talking hypothetically but we're saying suppose there is a situation where what they did, they felt was right and then you know is not wrong because that is, you know it is wrong because that is not what you agreed upon, so which means we need to be able to share and tell them that this is what you're supposed to do, this is what we agreed to do and that did not happen so that is why I'm saying that you know what you did was wrong and so I think we need to understand that and because of that I still respect honor whatever but there are these things that need to happen okay, so it's about this whole thing about relationship which means that sometimes let's say in an organization you might have to let go of your people okay, so let's say this is I respect you, I love you but and we have spoken about this several times and it happened again or it could be something very serious and therefore I cannot be partial I still love you I cannot be partial, therefore I have to let you go and you know never letting the situation mean more than the relationship is that even after letting go you still maintain that relationship, it's going to be tough it's going to be tough, it's going to be difficult but you still reach out and say okay why don't we meet for a coffee why don't we meet for a tea talk about and believe me it's not easy but you will show that you mean you mean it you care for the relationship no it's never that it's never compromising the truth right, there could be grace extended but grace is extended after spelling out the truth right, yeah because that's what the Lord extended grace not saying you are not a sinner he's saying this is where you messed up but despite that there is grace so the person also understands that so that's a difficult thing for all of us okay let's look at one more I think this is the last one elevator principle which means we lift up people and sincerely encourage them build them up and not put them down okay so be an encourager be one of us in the lives of people okay Maxwell talks about some people add something to our lives we enjoy them some people take away we tolerate them some people multiply, we value them some people divide something in our life we avoid them the elevator is talking about a lift right elevate something lift people up okay Jack in us has a question is leadership influence a favor from God looking at the lives of Joshua and Ahmaaya yes leadership is definitely a gift as we see in do we see it in Romans 12 it is a membership gift Romans 12 and verse 8 says he who leads with diligence is talking about having gifts differing Romans 12 verse 6 having then gifts differing according to the grace given to us so it is one of the grace gifts that is given to the body so there could be people who are graced in this manner yeah so that is it is a gift so okay your question is the entire people obeyed and did what Joshua come and do even after the death of Moses yeah but they could always be some detractors like you know even in Joshua's time or during Moses time there would always be some who did not obey wholeheartedly that is always the case yes Joshua people talked about I mean people came together and said be courageous only strong and be courageous we are with you and so on right but there could always be one of two for detractors and yeah okay so yeah okay so we will stop here and we will get up next class okay thank you