 Monday March 11th for the town of Bethel select board and I will accept nominations for me or the wrong person trees I did oh I muted the select board get Chris Denise you second yes all in favor all right sounds like it's Chris for another year oh and can you hear us he's the only person online yes I can hear you okay all right good we were just playing with the audio so I want to make sure awesome thank you all right so uh first on the agenda is to approve the agenda do we have anything that needs to be amended or are we good to approve as Rick good to approve okay all in favor so we'll try to talk you through yeah so the first couple of meetings is usually just annual a point you know there's you know there's probably 20 things that we appoint people to we try to do it over two or three meetings and then anything what we'll try to do is anything that's ongoing I'll try to catch you up with what it might be or if there's any formality type pieces we'll just I'll slow the meeting down so that you can understand it more rather than us just like you know because because a lot of things will go be in front of the board a lot of times they're just simple formality things that we just approve and move on like a lot of these things there yeah so we'll just go through and explain them a little better for you so you can get the understanding of that the first thing on the agenda is there are times that the agenda could be outdated from the time it got printed something might come up now if we want to add something to the agenda it won't be actionable so like because we haven't warned it so we wouldn't take action like if you want to bring something up put it on the agenda we do that but not necessarily take action not to say that you couldn't take action we don't because it's not fair if we haven't warned it to somebody to say you know somebody wanted to talk about it so yeah it depends if we're acting like a liquor license or something like that well you know obviously yeah and you know feel free I mean doesn't necessarily if you had something doesn't necessarily have to go down as agenda item you can always do it on the public comment or you can do it under any other business come for the board so all right and so we open up to public comment the so on the public comment end of things we some boards will stick right to an exact like you got two minutes to speak because usually we have lack of individuals we usually say three to five minutes and if it's going well if we need to give more time we will type deal but definitely on whatever the item is we'll let everybody speak before someone gets a second turn so so we'll go public comment I only see Owen out on the web unless he has anything we will just move in person which nobody so hey on go ahead y'all well I'm getting an echo but that's okay I just wanted to welcome the two new select board members and I I guess I'm just saying that on behalf of the equity and inclusion committee and we're here to be a resource to you all we have a couple of events that happen throughout the year and yeah just wanted to say welcome I'm excited to work together and Paul just couldn't get enough of us back for round two the atmosphere is fine you were good it's all about the money I'll tell you put you over the edge so we have some of the annual designese so the first one is the to make the herald the paper of record I think we've at least since I've been here it's always been the the herald yep I'm assuming that we will stick with that so just need a motion to designate can we did we last year lump a bunch of them together you did I listed them all out just because I well I think you I copied and pasted from the last year to make a lie last year so I remember what they all were but you can a couple of times and I don't see anything there but in the first eight you could do the first two but you're gonna have to make but the board member to sign is somebody but you could do the first two has come buying the first two I spent too much time talking about it yeah if you we could be an hour wanted to talk about it we could try the post office again I know we have we have a new postmaster person and maybe we could use the post office that's a good place as a backup or as one of the actual ones because I think there's more taxpayers going into the post office than there are some of the four is that a big deal or we have to get there permissionally on until right three is only we have three is that's the minimum yep yeah right we could have ten but we have to have three yeah you could say yeah you could add post office just with a caveat that if they would they allow us yeah well it's the food stuff they're all the time they don't have a complaint well let's just buzz through these quickly so any any issues with having the Herald be the newspaper record if not just in a motion to designate okay all in favor hi all right and then sounds like we'd like to add on the next one the post office to be the fourth assuming that they give us permission to post there that sounds fair okay moved by Dave second all favor right authorize board member to sign the ap payroll so on that is like what we had just signed the packets there so we usually have somebody that goes in it's been years ago and he's been doing it that go in ahead of time look through all that's all we do is assign it and it's nice to because paul was good at it he trained denise well so she's just there and goes through every single time card looks at the cover she she goes through every single invoice and bell and so um you know like I said paul trained her well he was so I don't know you still want to do it denise sure the phone wants his own job back so just appoint denise appoint denise at least in a motion to appoint denise as the board member to sign for us yeah all in favor all right all right I will say if if denise can't make or something we then we call one of you somebody else and say hey can you swing by and do this so I mean Dave's done it a couple times and I think everybody's done it at least once just in case next one was to adopt the select board rules and procedures everybody have a chance to read through the rules and procedures any questions in regards to the rules and procedures because sometimes things do um change in the year I guess the only thing that came to my mind was just having been on the school board uh one nice thing with the school board is I actually personally like the meeting starting later I'm storing out there because sometimes like yeah come from your job and you rush right to the meeting or you know or something like that or if you're got kids and activities most of the activities are some in the five six clock hour and you're kind of running to get here I know we moved a couple of meetings over the years to six six thirty or seven o'clock yeah do we still want to leave it at six do we have any conversations about changing the time date or you know that are we good to keep it all the same well what works for everybody six o'clock works for me and whatever you know nothing has to be me what about Jordan he's got business you know Jordan might be Jordan might have a problem I'm not gonna be the only one to uproot the whole thing so let's keep it at six second and fourth Mondays that's okay but if something we'll say this we have adjusted as you know for Chris's schedule as he's been you know because he coaches basketball if something comes up for you everybody's pretty flexible about that sort of thing so that's that's fine yeah you know we used to do it earlier in the winter and later in the summer we used to do like seven o'clock in the summers and six in the winter um in a different town just because people had you know if they were roofers or excavation contractors or whatever you know they're like we need to be later but yeah so just a question on number five on another situation you've done it in the past where the four select people would vote and Chris if there was a case of a tie you would vote yep so this says that you can make motions and and vote which he did and he's done in the past yeah and they we looked at this I think because of that because like Chris occasionally will make a motion no and it says here he may make motions and vote on all questions he has been the tiebreaker though yeah I mean I typically don't vote I mean I can't I think we've only had one time you know I had tiebreaker moved but most of the time it goes pretty smooth on that I guess the one thing that we can talk about is you know you don't necessarily have to make seconds you could make a motion and you could you know you could do things multiple ways you can have the conversation first then you can make a motion a second and all in favor or you could make a motion have conversation and then then take your final vote one of its rules one of its rules require a motion before you talk yep first and then so you have to get it on the floor and do we so do we want to because I know we had learned I don't know a year or two ago that we don't necessarily have to do seconds um we have done it it works well that's not up to the other okay so we'll make sure we do motion motion and a second then we'll make discussions we have to have three of us here to do anything so right okay so we'll motion there's a topic you all don't want to talk about but one person does if you have to have the second it kind of stops it it doesn't happen exactly it kills it right there so we'll just motion second and then we'll bring it to the floor to talk about yep good all right anything else on there are we good we really haven't changed anything so once there's anything else so just need a motion to adopt the select board rules and procedures as written okay on favor all right next few might I have a question all the folks that are listed have been yep okay contacted and said they do it again okay so just we are Dave's afraid we're signing people well we'll make sure we do it right so we'll just make the I just need a motion to appoint um Paul Eric Jack to um Whirlton Senior Center Board and just need a second and isn't any other discussion on any of those individuals or okay all in favor okay and then need a motion to appoint uh Matt Ian um as Bethel's ec fiber representatives so okay any further discussion on that matter well I just have a question as to what what they do it's kind of like Tom Burgos is my representative on yeah Tri Valley so and I don't know I don't know how much they're representing nowadays I just I don't know I know it was a hot topic I I remember when this was put together and it was mainly because at that point Bethel was the main startup for each fiber um so we wanted to have kind of an opportunity to have discussions with them as they were mapping things out and rather than have to come back to the select board all the time and and now the ec fiber is pretty much everywhere you know in the region is there really I assume they're on a board do they really do anything now I mean I know they still go to the meeting so I assume that well I had a situation with ec fiber that's what a couple of summers ago and I contacted our representatives on the board and I really didn't get anywhere going through that direction I ended up going a different direction and having the issue resolved so I just curious I have no idea what we do we can I get a guy over on Woodstock that I talked to was on the board the actual ec board that was able to resolve the situation okay so maybe we'll go home tonight each one of us will contact the ender or Matt throw in uh now we have a question in regards to ec fiber that's right that's right I can email Matt yeah I was wondering the same thing I was looking at because I know a couple people over there and I have not heard their names so yeah so I'll ask them if they attend regular meetings I don't think the the board people on the board are not necessarily the recipients of complaints or problems or be able to get you know into the into the future they say they're I mean I know the lady down the down in Royalton that's my number yeah I got a problem yeah all right of course 17 18 years ago when they were you know pretty much starting out it was a hot topic at that point right well I'll reach out to Matt and ask him what they if you tend to what is it that you guys do yeah so yeah I'll ask Matt all right I'll send them an email so we had a motion we had a second um so all in favor all right all right motion to appoint Stan Capron to be the wear of coal and wood do we still need a wear of coal apparently I asked that was one that was bye bye no what went by there was um almost the other one huh no fence viewers still on it's still the fence viewers but there was something else that did get removed I can't think of it right now like grandeur got removed um town agent got removed um I thought that was getting I asked Kelly to look into it but um so it's more honestly it's just like an honorary title some okay so this oh okay no motion to appoint Stan so move okay well anything any further discussion on that all in favor all right I'm just wondering how yeah I think it used to be where it was used to be and maybe they just changed it it was inspector of wood and wear of coal so you gotta think back to the early people used to yeah because they'd be actually we did have one they somebody didn't think they got a full court of wood or something man and they went out a coal yeah the coal I know I don't even have does anyone burn coal anymore I don't know but we have had the wood issue you want to admit it yeah no yeah I mean these are the things that you know have been around for you know hundreds of years and that's what makes Vermont but everyone's wants there is something yeah you did yeah we sent people out last year to look at a fence yeah and we did we had to send someone to be on like next meeting in the next meeting because we're trying to find a third and um these were the easy ones these are the ones that people got back to Kelly on and um but yeah but yeah somebody didn't think they got a full court of wood so it goes out it's funny the calls you so all right I think we had a did we have a motion yeah in a second yeah and we're just all in favor okay and then motion to appoint Dave to White River Valley ambulance board so okay any further discussion on that I know that one is rather active yeah and he's represented and he seems like he's liking it still yeah exactly and it's a good tie-in between the fire department and the ambulance so he did throw something out there about potentially them wanting to add another ambulance by another one or something yeah he was talking to you and I about that just the price tag on it was scary but oh boy one talk scary is going to be the price tag on the fire truck I know yeah we see thank god for insurance all right all in favor okay oh right so we got the annual should I ask Owen about this one I emailed Owen but he didn't get back to me uh annual appointment so we did have uh Owen you're on um so feel free to interject but we did have um a request to appoint an individual to uh so Jean Cross had had a request to appoint to the equity inclusion committee as well as the energy committee yeah I say you an email Owen but I didn't hear back I'm assuming he's attended meetings or something are you recruited him at town meeting um we did not recruit him he has attended some meetings when he was on the select board um so um yeah I guess there's there's a neutral it's a neutral response from us yeah all right yeah so typically on the on the committees we we don't usually um police the individuals that are going on and off a committee um unless maybe we get to the point where we have like whoa we got too many people on a committee which I don't know if that'll ever happen right um you know so I guess sometimes we just check in with the committees to see what they have for a size and you know as we most of us understand that if you get a committee bigger than you know say eight to ten then you know it can be tricky to have meetings with more people than that so but very seldom do we ever have yeah five no you know so uh how many how many would that bring you guys up to Owen in your committee now and then how many um that would bring us to six six so you yeah so you have room then okay I think he just stepped off of the committee recently so that yeah that would put us at six okay yeah and then the energy committee would be at what you know three three no because there's Stevie Stevie Scott Burgos um no month's his last Vince Bergamo thank you and Scott this morning said that he and Bergamo were the only two on yeah no you've been pointed Stevie a while ago but so yeah so that he would make four no and we also appointed um the gentleman from Campbell yeah Josh Warren Wardell Wardell so they do we did have two appointed individuals from other towns at one point they both graduated and resolved yeah so yeah so that would make them five and six okay we also to Jordan is usually if someone comes in and asks about a committee we usually my recommendation is always the same go to a couple meetings because if that's not the committee for you go try out another one because you have a fit somewhere so we usually encourage them to attend and Gene has attended energy and equity inclusion committee in some towns where they have a lot of participation in committees a lot of times what will happen is the committees will kind of take in and then we'll go through the committee and say do we want to add this individual and they come to the select board for approval but we haven't really gotten to that point with no the only the only one that's different than that is the planning commission yeah the planning commission has to vote on the person first and then they bring their recommendation to the select board who approves it but that's the only committee that's that's different okay so we had a motion and a second um all in favor no we didn't I thought we had one did we not have a motion okay so I just need a motion okay second all in favor okay let's see I do not know how to pronounce that so central market you're on your own yeah um no I just gotta laugh every time I see the new um liquor license thing in there it's like oh this is a Pam gave me this version she showed it to me I said this is better than what you were giving them before so I said well they've gotten so crazy that they have they used to be very easy though to yeah this one yeah it's a little different um yeah so she told me yeah so I saw her using this one like perfect so so then so when it comes to the liquor licenses or tobacco licenses and even and even now the marijuana one is for the most part we are a rubber stamp for um even though we are a formal um commissioners we really don't have so as long as the state of Vermont has accepted them and and we uh we stamp it and and then they have to follow the the rules and procedures set forward by the state of Vermont sometimes we can ask sometimes they may have maybe like a catering permit so um that goes beyond beyond their doors so let's say I'll make it up let's say babes bar wanted to cater event here well can't use this one wanted to cater adjust yeah I wanted to cater at the white church let's say yeah so we would we would talk about a catering permit and we and sometimes we have a little bit more opportunity with that so like if they were gonna say split it 50-50 inside and outside then you could say you know how would the outside be looking you know yeah would you how would you protect it so people are coming in and out yeah I want passing out call yeah babes and babes also has an outside outdoor consumption permit so that looks a little different when that comes and they're very specific about what their area is how they're dated off they have to it is but you guys still have you know say about hours and that sort of thing so yeah we can have hours to talk about you know if we think I don't think if they requested to go to 11 you know is that an appropriate time or or if it was outside for a period of time so but for the most part it's we rubber stamp it and that's the end of it so now the other thing that was brought to our attention was that because I was sitting at a select board meeting a year or two ago was what I thought was unique there is before they approved their liquor license they would ask if they had any outstanding tax water sewer bills oh that's right and I thought that was neat because I was like never thought about that so they would you know so they would have to go through and make sure that they were either caught up or had a plan with them to to move forward so I didn't know just throwing that out there I don't know we looked into that I don't believe so we remember we looked into that I think the answer was no I'd have to revisit that but I don't think you can yeah I feel like that was the answer but it was a while ago so so in this case what we're looking at here for central market is a second-class liquor license and then Champlain Farms is looking for a second-class liquor license tobacco license and a tobacco substitute endorsement so what's the substitute like maybe that's what I think yeah I would assume that's my guess yeah so just I was new and we can't I hadn't seen that one no I hadn't seen that either are they getting rid of like all the flavored vapes now that's what they I thought that they were legislation yeah I thought they had done that you know I think it is and so they could still have just regular you know tobacco flavors but you're right so I just need a motion to approve those so in a second second by Paul all in favor okay um then we have uh next is Bethel's updated village center yep so I put this in your packet just so you could see what the designated village grants you or grants the businesses in your town so we have to do the application you know we have to renew every eight years de trees in the process of getting all the paperwork together we get letters from two rivers we submit a copy the town plan the select board has to make a motion to approve it and it obviously gives us a priority for state grants which is are always nice as well as um building and general services it also gives tax credits for some of the people that buy the buildings and make improvements so there really is a good certainly a big reason to to keep your designation uh you could have a downtown designation a village designation and Bethel we have a village designation so it is available to a shop owner a business owner to use as well as as well as the town and you've had people and take advantage of that as well so yep yep so I'm assuming that everything that we have designated in the past we're yep sticking with yes there's no changes to the outline of the designation area and right now what is our village designation area I should have brought the map it starts at the feet it's a little funky and it goes um because it has like it has a yellow line around it and it it doesn't go up it doesn't go very far up church street so um it's mainly just your downtown doesn't go all the way to the town office yeah so it's really just somewhere like the three-way up to the lumber yard it doesn't go all the way I don't think it includes Bethel mills oh doesn't no it's kind of funny when you look at it kind of cuts around a little bit but and then it doesn't go up church street very very it goes up a ways but not all the way it doesn't go all the way to sand hill huh you would think it would go like to the school well no no no I think if you were a village maybe but no but I'm in a downtown but as a village no designation so it doesn't go that far it's but it's funky because you could see some houses are in it some aren't and there's like a real yellow line that goes around that now do we also take advantage of historic the people that own buildings can okay so yeah those are benefits for historic tax credits are available for people that are doing you know have a historic building in downtown so and that when we know for a fact that many people have taken advantage of some of the tax credits and of course we know we've got multiple grants because of it we got the the one that we just did from ACCD for the better Bethel for all that was because of that and we've got municipal grant planning grants that puts us up for that we also got a bike ped grant so it helps us to you know if we're like when we did the 2.8 million and we were doing water so all that is so definitely carry some weight okay you're good nice you might want to you want to see the map no I was I was just curious where not quite as simple as like how far no it's not cut and dry how far up Bethel Mills and then across from the entrance up to this side goes all the way down to it looks like the top or last house on the left side of the road as you leave south main comes back around does include the town office from there and then Feeney's house the town park right there across the bridge back through the village and then it goes up to the white church yep yeah so it's kind of funky the way it goes around certain house oh I don't think we were going to remember yeah because we well it doesn't help the town office any but it helps town yeah so well so we're working on the application and we got like I said so the letters are we have to get letters and obviously there's a whole packet you have to submit along with a detailed letter of the last eight years of everything that we've done for grants and you know so it's it's a process but we'll get it done okay okay any further discussion on that here are none all in favor all right thanks Adam and I will quickly try to get you up to speed on this one Jordan so quickly I won't be I will give you the cliff note version I'll give you more behind scenes but anyway so um so the town is always uh there's oftentimes we have to look at roads based upon their classifications it could be could be a third class road that maybe isn't up to standards so do we want to leave it a third class bring it up to standards do we make it a fourth class road we want to four bring it down to a trail or something like that so there was a section of road on on right road that um that was up with questions um by land owner last year well actually two years ago and we we started the process last year of the declassifying a piece of that road so right road's kind of difficult so when you get on right road go up to the farm and just past the farm there used to be a gate there um and it was third class road all the way up to the farm and then when you get to the gate it was another like two tenths of a mile which was you know a goat path that's still third class road and then and then it became a fourth class road all the way to Rochester so we had we had some different options of what we want to do there it had been talked about I think when I first got on the board um years ago there was a period of time where we used to have what called ancient roads and they had uh I think it was like 2000 16 15 or something they had to designate everything either fourth class or nothing and and that road had come up at that point as it makes no sense because we can't get the plow truck the plow all the way down there because we can't turn around so nothing ever came out of it but anyways the land order one of the land owners had some complaints about it and wanted to do some development on his road so the board we met up there in fall it was late summer and and we had looked at it and we'd made the recommendation to discontinue the road so for now going forward anything from the firm pop is has been discontinued so there's a bit of a process that comes through that as we all found out oh yeah um you know so there's a we meet on site um and with the lawyers and um and then there's a waiting period because we looked at it in november and we couldn't issue the deeds until march so right now there was yeah there was a waiting period where where they could um contest it um it wasn't contested so now um now some of the land owners are getting some quick claim deeds so and we don't as standard practice have to issue quick claim deeds but they had requested them so it was one party had requested so the other one said well if they're getting one i'm gonna get one so basically it just transfers our interest in the road and at this point they have they have land on each side of the road so it becomes you know who owns the wear so well these quick claim claim deeds help they help establish the center exactly yep exactly so at this point is out of the towns here now the land owners um have full right over that that piece of roadway so these were just um the quick claim deeds that we knew would be coming um for each individual requested it so at this point they're just a motion to authorize i guess myself to sign those so we can do them together yeah i think we could do both for for both um uh for brian right emily and jessie right as well and kirby brian kirby emily and jessie oh i missed that i'm sorry brian kirby emily and jessie right as well as beverly andrew adam justin and jewel motion so second okay any further discussion on those jordan moved it okay all in favor all right so that's the 11th and then there you go i'm here yep so you're just gonna sign yet your name as like we're here by christin there you go and then um so what we'll do is i'll send these with a letter to brian and beverly right saying that if they want them recorded in the land records then they can work with our attorneys happy to do the pptr for them as long as they pay the recording fees there is no transfer tax so i'll send uh copy each with the same letter to go all right uh town managers report which i didn't see one yep there is there was yeah when did i not see it huh subboard meeting agenda notes and that was right over there i don't know i didn't copy it i didn't copy your back it so i don't know sorry i thought maybe because it was after like she didn't have much stuff no i saw the i saw the australian ballot results yeah i think it's wasn't right after here it's right here it's right there sorry i saw i saw agenda yeah okay you're good um so yeah so you got the election results yeah sorry that's okay and um so we i finished submitting all of our FEMA projects for the july flood which was you know about two and a half million dollars so we that's between FEMA and federal highway so our person our pdmg carlos has left we've requested another one hopefully um she'll come in and we'd her and i could just sit down basically in just a few hours and go through every single submission and make sure that they're not missing anything and they're all good to go i had to just upload all of our roads and standards today to every single project because they were giving me grief about 15 inch culverts and i'm like no way because of the bridge and standards say we can automatically and put in 18 inch so i uploaded that to every single project explained that to several people um so just as we're finishing that up later this week i have to do another initial intake with FEMA because of the december 18th storm which we incurred about 30 000 dollars worth of damage i believe that at this point we won't be bidding any of that work out that will do it in house um that's the take on it right now so we'll see as we get further through the project so just when you think FEMA's so i got a little confused so when you said i don't know if you wrote it in here or you sent it to me or something when you said that looks like they're gonna pick up on the 30 000 yeah that's about the that was my quick estimate on the december 18th flood event cost us 30 000 but and we just barely found out that the president that well we knew the governor had made a declaration request and president biden just approved it so that means that's a separate event so i had a couple of questions yeah so one is 30 000 count the work that because we did some work right i mean we had to go out there and re-maintain roads and we added some gravel and spots and there's some stuff that we haven't touched right i don't know yet and then does that mean we only get 87 and a half percent of that 30 000 or do we get all you know i mean right we'll only get we'll get everything yeah we'll get our 87 and a half percent because so we're glossing this over so FEMA pays you 75 percent because we Bethel passed some flood plain laws the state pays us an additional 12 and a half percent so during any FEMA event we're out 12 and a half percent but i don't know yet until i do the intake i'm not sure what they're including just now because i know we went out there we you know we spent four or five days doing some maintenance as well as added gravel and spots so i didn't know if it was going to cover that plus the thing we haven't done or when i talked to my state contact they were trying to tuck that in but it will depend on what the times of the declaration are included how many days they're going to put into that if they just pick the december 18th and the answer is no if they give you a few days leeway then maybe so i don't know the answer yet until i have my intake meeting um so tomorrow night you have a meeting here at six o'clock um you all should have received information from pam about that for a bca meeting it's you know it's rare that you have two meetings back to back so sorry about that jordan um just kind of the way it the way it worked out he's only going to one yeah there you go much more much a second um well yeah we'll do them all at once but um he means i didn't go to all the other ones oh well no there's a second basically the meeting tomorrow night's a two-parter it's revisiting a decision that was made by the bca the first time that needs to be corrected because the math the math was wrong and then it will be the second part of that meeting is going to be um taking up a new consideration um the people that if you did not attend the first meeting you still can participate as long as you've read the minutes and have caught yourself up on the first one because i did ask the attorney that because for that one i had we had to get some legal advice on how to fix some us you know correction of the bca um was like i said just a math thing um working on a class two roadway grant with morgan for camp brook road um so we're he's out going to be out looking at um culverts up there to see what we can do on camp brook i received our audit draft audit from solvent empowers i think i got it on um on top meeting day so obviously i haven't had a chance to go through that um so the other thing was i had sent you all an email about the accident on friday so um unfortunately the um there was an incident uh 80 not an i-89 the bethel fire had responded to a rollover of a linen truck uh the driver of the linen truck was not injured um they were parked where they needed to be parked under instruction of vsp had out their flares and all precautions were taken and unfortunately vsp we don't know the what has happened there yet there's a full investigation between the vsp and department transportation unfortunately the officer what is still in critical condition um and handover obviously our thoughts prayers got him and his family uh we were very lucky we had two firefighters that weren't far away from that truck so we were very lucky that nobody else um was injured obviously at this point our truck is totaled um as is was of course the cruiser sable and suns hauled both of the our truck and the cruiser to the impound law at the roilton barracks um dave algegetti and i obviously i made contact on friday with our insurance agency uh which is vfis we have a special insurance for firefighting and for equipment there um they have been in contact with dave i had talked to three different people one for the truck one for the liability and one for the equipment that was on it um some equipment may or may not be able to be salvaged we took some stuff off it but it's being inventoried and to see what we have so um at this point um it's easy to say we will be without a fire truck um most likely two to three years because they are out it takes a while to get a cab and a chassis and just depending where we are in the process we did have today which was heartland fire department reached out to myself and dave to lend us a piece of equipment um at this point dave said you know we're okay we've got you know a couple pieces and what that we can get by with till we figure out what's going to happen um we had heard from our insurance agency that once we pick a manufacturer to to build it because it'll be built um was sometimes those agencies may have a lender so we'll kind of see what we have our insurance does cover a rental fire truck of two or two fifty a day a max of ten thousand dollars and when dave said to the lady uh he said you know we'll be looking at two to three years she's like really he's like yeah you know it's that's how far out they are so uh so we'll see what comes of it it's very early very kind of early to tell obviously the vsp and the dot are doing a very detailed um investigation so at this point um you know we're just waiting to see our insurance company obviously is reaching out to the vsp and um they the appraiser will be going down to look at um to look at the fire truck and as we get more information we'll let you know but this is not going to be a quick process we're not going to have a fire truck in the next year it's just probably not going to happen and um so but we'll see how it all works out the good i took i had a chat with david and the good news that i thought i heard was the fact that we recently changed our insurance we did and we got replacement cost rather than actual value exactly yep we did that was one of those that's huge it is yeah that was going to be my next question is yeah you know what is it going to look like based upon what that was worth versus what we're going to have to get and how are we going to pay for right well we had changed from um we had left vlct the fire part of the fire department had left vlct to go to um went through games insurance to we call it vifers and it's very much for firefighters we also get other insurances through them for firefighters and that was one of the things at the time was the chief and the assistant chief were able to set replacement value and um so i cannot recall and neither could dave just within all the hullabaloo that's been going on about when we had done that last but obviously we were not at fault here and and um so we expect that um the process will go very smoothly i did reach out today to the commander of the state police barracks that's lieutenant jerry parton very nice man and just let him know we were thinking about you know as officers and if there's anything that you know the family or whatever we could do to certainly let us know so our you know we had some firefighters we at the end uh board during the process we had a randolph fire department maybe randolph center fire department um royal 10 so big thank you to them mutual aid because obviously we had to close down the interstate for quite a bit of time they were very helpful they also helped um with extrication dart obviously came and and took the trooper to to hand over so at this point um you know we're very thankful for everybody's assistance and um we're just waiting to see you know i'm sure that's true support of the family and and they did a very they're doing a thorough investigation dot wait our fire truck on scene you know we were underway but even so we're an emergency vehicle we would have been exempt to a point but we were underway anyways um so but that was just you know standard procedure and um so at this point we're just kind of waiting and seeing and it could be i expect it'll be a couple more weeks before we hear really hear much by the time the appraiser comes and and bsp finishes their investigation so we'll unfortunate and hopefully you know dear guys hopefully we we aren't out of pocket anything here and this too is just too yeah i just i didn't i didn't know how the insurance worked and you know i mean make it up if if they give us a hundred thousand dollars with the replacement cost but it cost 250 to buy a new one you know more like seven well you know yeah like yeah like do we yeah like some insurances will play will pay for replacement costs not just what actual yeah and it depends on the value that they put on at the time which i honestly don't remember and neither did they we've had multiple conversations today and um you know it's a lot the other thing i was going to say is that there will be a debriefing for um warva obviously i was should have put my thanks out to them any other firefighting agencies that were involved they'll be holding debrief tomorrow night i believe at the Bethel fire department so you know there's a lot there for to unpack for firefighters and um you know when they see you sometimes it's the worst day of your life and so these guys walk away with that so they did a really good job and um and we're just you know i'm gonna wait and see so i'll keep you updated as i hear but i expect it'll be a little bit before i hear much more i saw the cruiser on the flight bed pulling into the barracks yeah i can't believe anybody would survive that i mean it just was just one giant green pile shredded metal yeah and so far i mean the good news is that the trooper is you know was is in great shape and you know i'm very physically fit and so hopefully that's you know works out interesting part was david said that no one's solid no one they were paying attention to the roll over truck yeah you know all of a sudden there was an explosion yep exactly yep the two firefighters that were nearby because obviously we had to do insurance work so i interviewed the driver of the of the truck and luckily they weren't in it and that's what he said they were just far enough away that all of a sudden they just heard this hellacious noise and turned around and just started running and had no idea what you know what happened because they but thank god that they were where they were when it happened so um anyway so we'll keep you in the loop as we you know here but it's like i said i don't think it's going to be anything we're going to solve you know tomorrow and vsp has been very good to uh keeping david in the loop as to um certainly as to the trooper's condition so um one thing that um let me know when when you want to but we should probably think about getting that sandhill bit out soon oh i've already talked to starting to heat up it's not going to go out until the end of march beginning of april i already talked to i know it's unfortunate i did talk to um mic manor about it we have uh they were down with cad and obviously i was busy with fema we have been in touch to the with the feds we're going to bid it as two separate we're going to bid the construction as one paving as the other so we're both you know we've been in contact with them and and so it'll go out a little bit later than we want but it will go out i also did get a construction estimate too that i meant to send you so i'll make a note to send you yeah just you know the bidding process is going to heat up now so it's it's always better to be on the early end than the late end which we know but we both ran into i wasn't even if the project doesn't get done till francus yeah at least it it definitely won't i think people are honestly we're not going to be paving until my guess is september something like that so but uh yeah no it just we've been working on it and i talked to mic about it caught up with him last week and and that's where we're at so but i can send you i meant to send it to you the construction cost estimate so because he gave me a preliminary estimate so uh so i'm sorry jordan so what we're talking about is this has been ongoing for a while we received an earmark from senator sanders for six hundred thousand we have a hundred and fifty thousand dollar match to redo sand hill and they'll do the storm water rebuild and as well as repave it's some really took a beating after iran and and has ever since so we're doing the water project our two point five million dollar water project that were in the you know that will start up again in april one side will be doing water and then you know obviously in a perfect world the same contractor bids and gets the storm water since they'd just be doing the opposite side of the road and we'll go from there if we're going to be able to pave right behind it we may be able to just keep it down with either gravel or you know recycled asphalt for a short period of time before we repave the whole thing but it's going to depend on the lag time between water storm water on the other side of the road and then a full repave but so we have seven hundred fifty thousand dollars to get that done so that will so we'll be that project will go this year as well all right i'm good any update on the cla appeal oh yeah sir so i actually spoke to rick benson newt at both of us he's i've never done a cla appeal and so we went through the channels and he spoke to jenn mire she is our local person and she answered all of rick's questions and but she did agree to look at a few of the properties he had sent her the documentation then he reached out to her again today because he was still doing a little digging he had to call mo and judy about one of the properties and she was willing to look at a few so if indeed it's revisited then our cla may change um and go up a little bit but honestly it's not gonna it would be a small percentage but it could rise um so anyway so she's still going through that process my guess is we'll have an answer this week for sure on what it's going to do to our cla but like i said if it goes up which would be great but we're not going from 70 to 90 you know nothing like that so that's where we're at can you give us an update on oscar and the cruiser like my sure oscar will be working until the end of june um that is the deal that that we have um the sheriff's office is interested in purchasing the cruiser but the select board had kind of wanted to hang on to it for a little bit i did get an amount from oscar you know an estimate from him about the cost of the equipment that's in it i have not gone on to whatever kelly blue book or wherever to go look up the value of the cruiser itself yet um but we do know the sheriff's office is interested in it um probably more for uh not to put in service on a regular basis but maybe more for like you know they're sitting on interstate or something like that so but point the select board had not made a decision to sell they were waiting for the outcome of town meeting and um there was kind of a mixed bag on who want to hang on to it who didn't sound so he's still works you know just a little bit he works in conjunction with you know the sheriff's office he's talked to them and they know i think he's you know i just said look he's done a nice job for us and told him he could leave anytime but we'd certainly you know june 30 would be it and um he's worked a little bit here and there and takes a couple calls as he can and people still call him you know they have this number to talk to him about certain ongoing issues that they've had and he has done a good job feeding those issues too to the sheriff's office to catch them up so yeah so he's slowly working his way out but yeah the cruiser was kind of no decision had been made on the cruiser just that we obviously had to wait for town meeting right yeah we wanted to wait for town meeting to see make sure that you know the budget passed with the denet and nobody you know wanted to take it out of it or yeah and then also um the you know the sheriff's department was interested in it yeah he won't surprise what so is that is it still kelly blue book is that the best website to look up values or i thought there was another one too all right huh yeah nada that's it nada all right i knew there was no right because we kind of talked about paul that thank you well i i think what we had talked about initially was you know stripping the hardware out of it and you know trying to get it like a any equipment yeah um you know sell it third party wise uh which would carry value but then then the sheriff's department was interested in it but i don't know if they really wanted to pay they don't value book for it but you guys have met and this guy makes a pitch every time but it's worth asking around what the tradeoff would be for what we value if you give us extra hours kind of part of it oh and so the cash so getting more out of it than what's worth right grand in the hours and um now i can deal on something like that give us three what we want what he's willing to give well yeah but the only thing i won't worry about doesn't say that it would happen the only thing i worry about that is like maybe there was some time that we were gonna get anyways that now becomes like that was hard time you know i mean like you could run that type of thing now i will know like i don't know nowadays but i remember the old days like everybody wanted to get their hands on a crown victoria right it's true i mean they would you know everybody want it was i gotta think that somebody would want to oh you bet you know an ex-police cruiser you know yeah especially that they have the police package i mean people definitely want them if i had to guess things probably worth eight ten grand i guess it does i think it has a hundred and sixty six there's always somebody wants one of those yeah i think it has a hundred and sixty six yeah so we'll look i can look at see what it says on both kelly blue book and n a d a and then and rossger gave me an estimate about the equipment that's in it so the other thing we had talked the other thing we had talked about jordan and paul i mean i know you guys are at most of them but the other thing we talked about is if we did recoup any money for the vehicle that that we put it aside so okay like leave it in the cruiser fund in case this you know sheriffs experiment doesn't work out in two years from now we're going okay we need to get a car and you know so at least we had something because i think you said that we had bad we had a few thousand in there six or seven thousand dollars in that thing to begin with so we would have something you start with if we ever needed to i think we paid 10 for that cruiser as we went to massachusetts i had 12 on the brain after we put some because i think we had to put some tires in it and then something else at the breakdown they're probably worth some and putting the money aside instead of letting us see yeah definitely i think that was kind of the thing with some people want to hold on to it some people want to sell it so and currently what we have is a we have a don't people want in there so we would just take that money and put it in that fund and just let it sit there for a year until we felt comfortable like okay everything's good yeah um or if we need to go backwards then we can always buy and some people want to drive it some people want to let us sit in their driveway some people want it as a big town car that's going to be the new way of coal and woods car stand can i hear a lot about the winter county sheriff department taking over a lot of policing everywhere um just my gut and my experience over time is is he trying to grow too fast is is he going to be able i mean i'm concerned that randolph couldn't get people orange county couldn't get people and all of a sudden he's got enough people to take every take on everybody and i just heard yesterday which was and this is distressing to me me only my sister-in-law lost her job she was working as a dispatcher for them and they've got rid of her for windsor county yeah i do you think that i don't know if there was a change within state dispatching or what the deal is i that i can't say i don't know either but she was devastated that she'd been working there for a long time and yeah they're getting bigger and bigger and yeah i know i will say they have been he has been really getting aggressively recruiting i don't know what he's offering for wages or what the situation is but i've spoken to a couple of his people and they said he's that he's really good people like working for him and um so he certainly is that's definitely aggressive yeah and i don't know how many people yeah and i don't know how many people who put through the academy the other part is because orange county sheriffs you know i hate to say this but seems to be tanking i don't know who's up there and um and as far as randolph they could have had a hard time recruiting because of the politics going on in randolph and the whole big i mean i just do front porch forum and i've seen a lot of the back and forth about the randolph policing and the vote and the cost and the you know it was so people may not want to go there because they might have been unstable for them but you know i'm not sure but he certainly has been a go-getter because he just took over chelsea yeah i know i know he ran on going after all the rural towns and you know having a centralized identity like the sheriff's department be the go-to for all the rural towns yeah um other than people that already had a department yeah and he's also was and i think he's done that like i think he's almost done that or now i don't know now i do know if i'm talking with some of them so there's two gentlemen that patrol this area one lives i don't know exactly one lives in orange county tonbridge is it tonbridge exactly one lives in orange county and the other one lives in orange county the other one lives somewhere in the woodstock heartland area so that's the two that we have you know officer how deputy house on friday night he had somebody pulled over and they pulled into the white church is he the one from tonbridge yeah and then we invited him in to have some soup and then there's chocolate there's so there's enough i've met several that i can't just tell her yeah so they've they've all been in but i do think dave that he had a plan and his plan was because they don't get much you know certainly the money that they have to earn they they need to earn their money by taking over contract towns they also earn their money by working for somebody like tyker one of the big ones on the interstate and just sitting on those jobs so obviously they get paid for that but his plan was to try to reorganize because some sheriff's departments really focus on the highway work because they need to make the bank make money so that they can do other things would be secondary he was kind of trying to change that model and hence coming in at a you know fire price per hour and stuff so yeah just to see read yeah just huge expansion really fast yeah because he didn't get stock bridge he's working on i don't know if he's got to get or not well he went to that's why he wasn't at bethel town meeting and he sent um tommy because he had to be in stock bridge because last year he lost in stock bridge by one vote and so he personally was going to stock bridge they'd asked him to come so i didn't i have no idea how stock bridge vote turned out but you're right i mean he definitely is he definitely had a plan so it's something to keep an eye on dave and as far as how the dispatching has changed i don't i don't know yeah i don't know either i just hit me yesterday she yeah yeah she was a mess i'm sure i'm sure i'm sorry to hear that did you have anything else here report nope all right we have select board meeting minutes from the 26th so i ended up having to email those to you the 12th we're in the packet not the 12th is in the yeah exactly so i emailed the 26th today if you didn't have a chance to read them then we can put it onto the next agenda so you know i don't know i just grabbed what's in the box and make the packet out of it so i didn't want just wait till the next meeting i depends unless you have enough people read them i didn't read them too i'm also huh paul you're all set okay well you three so just need a motion second all in favor all right and we get some other communications drb let's look at the sheriff's breakdown uh equity inclusion committee had their meeting minutes in there yep sheriff's breakdown yeah so that's what you get is we kind of talk how many hours miles he attaches this to our invoice and then he gives you the breakdown of you know incident number date time location and then what it was a traffic stop or whatever and then he gives you information about um you know what what it was a lot of condition of vehicles so and some speed limit ones um no i like that where you can yeah just get a quick snapshot of what it is the i remember oscars was challenging to the cipher i guess we'll call it yeah it came off yes later and it was like he's trying to protect the information of people and trying to give you information and just at the end of the day it was like i'm looking at yeah yeah so at least this one seemed to be a little more yeah so next week this or next week in two weeks the agendas you have a few more appointments um we need to start talking about well there's a couple issues we're gonna visit we also will have a public hearing on the sidewalk grant the one that's going from the corner of uh the sand hill there john giffords house to the school so we'll have another public meeting about that about the design because as you remember correctly um we had talked about replacing that wall and we did some drilling and you know we got the preliminary price tag on that it's about choco horse so there's no way we could do it it was way over we had a half million to do the project so we're talking about as possibly just replacing the section that's leaning or definitely replacing just the section that's leaning and so they ended up coming in with a couple cost alternatives some of them are just obviously way too expensive we can't do we'll probably end up replacing just that sectional wall and leaving the rest because as you know you had some other residents that were concerned about their trees and that sort of thing so that will be next meeting i had kelly mail the invitation for the announcement of the meeting to all the same residents that came before you know mrs ketchum and all the borrellas and you know whoever else lives down there so we'll do that next meeting the other thing we need to start talking about is about the downtown we assume that the state will be paving main street probably in 2026 that's about the schedule so if there's anything that we're going to be doing for infrastructure what we're going to do we need to do it we also need to start talking about that full for all i got some estimates on what came out of there as far as parking downtown studies you know what we want to do there as far as looking for grant money to decide what we're going to do one of the hot topics is should we only have parking on one side of the street so that's something that yeah that we need to talk about and so i think that make you guys some copies and we'll kind of start delving into that a little bit um at the next meeting um certainly as you you know joanne marshal had asked about like a tiff district a little bit of information there i'm not sure we'll get that out next week or in two weeks but we'll certainly talk about that coming up i am working on updating the personnel policy and uh working with the fire department to update um create actually a new manual yeah nothing and i answer the 600 emails and um so we got to start so there's just some stuff that we need to do and and figure out what our plan is really for downtown because there's nothing i hate worse than cutting into new pavement because we just you look like a buffoon so we need to really talk about what happened the last time we paved the villages they went and did the um church street sidewalk project immediately after it yeah we're not doing that so we need to figure that out as long as spring yeah along with the timing of the because the transportation alternatives the bike ped grant that's a half mill and that that can take you know a few years so that's another question we need to talk to them about is exactly what we're going to do there but i can tell you at this point that project what we had hoped to do or we had talked about redoing the entire wall making that all five foot sidewalk um to the school kiss a goodbye not gonna happen we'll probably replace that one section we may be able to get some five foot sidewalk in their worst case scenario we fix the leaning wall we put all new sidewalk down through there to the school we enhance the crossing down there and make that safe there is a you know to cross the street down there and put some the chickens to it illegally yeah so we'll be down closer to the school and really update and bring that crosswalk up to you know safety code but you know half million doesn't go as far as it used to and when you're bringing engineering and stuff it's gets expensive fast so um so that's so those are just a couple of the things that will be you know starting to talk about i got something to add to the list okay uh i talked to uh where did i see him in the matter geo honifer yes and they have no clue where that class 4 road is the one by the eds and bob deans yeah he says well that's all right don't go through the pit i do no geo that's not the road okay because he's i did think i did talk to you a little bit about it um south royal tin wants to discontinue um their side of uh make a trail of they want to make their side of perm right perm a trail and i just said his low priority for us it's not going anywhere it goes to you know perm ends at bob deans and or burt deans excuse me driveway and um just not a priority for us and he's called a couple times i did so he doesn't know where yet where they where it is i mean he's telling me where he says no that's not where that class 4 road goes oh maybe that's why he hasn't called in a while i did tell him he could talk to you because i said dave's lived up there a long time he probably has certainly some more information than i've got um i said they walked in i said no you didn't oh you don't you don't walk up where that is that's not walkable even now oh no kidding okay it's got too many trees and crap in it oh good maybe that's why he's not calling anymore so we also have a list um the road cruise provider list we've had a couple residents call now that we've gone through the discontinuation process once um there are some roads that people want discontinued there also is a section that we need to fix that was um the discontinuation is vague up by um on sugar hill it used to be near bill tufts and it was discontinued and then there's a piece that was somehow re-established but the state can't figure it out neither can i we've read the documentation and they don't really lay out where it is so we need to go back up and discontinue it again and then there's also some other roads that that residents live on and they want it discontinued because they're maintaining it and whatnot so in some of it places that you know we ended up with panello obviously which is a town road hence why we're going to put in a 1.2 million dollar bridge and um so you know when you have roads like that somebody maybe knew somebody back in the day so we'll have to do some like let's so road up off of uh brink hill that's just a driveway we have several driveways and we have those roads now yeah yep exactly there's no place to turn around up in there with a pow truck so we may exactly so we may be looking that's something we should look at this summer is we may end up tackling yes that's on the list is there's a few of them and see you know start our feelers out to start that process as we know it's not an easy process to get through it's time geo said that if we wanted he would come and talk to us about what they want to do if you want to have him i talked to him about it but i said you know so it's not a high priority for the select board at this point and and i'd had actually had told him to talk to you but if he doesn't know where the road is why waste your time well i i i said you can discontinue yours at your yeah that's what i said well that's what i said to him i said you can do whatever you want on your side either we do the whole thing or not doesn't matter right so we can i can get ahold of them and i haven't come and um but i guess we'll find out then what are you sure you know where the road is and um but yeah they want to make it a trail is what he said but because i was surprised that you know bob dean hadn't you know put the kibosh to it years ago or worked with the town that you know discontinue it but it's still on the other end right the benches and you can't walk it's just full of vines and i probably i'm sure there's a couple of people that very few people have any idea where that is yeah so all right i can reach back out to him as i had said to talk to you because i figured you had the most historic knowledge at this point of what was up there yeah we got we dropped on the a piece of forest that was more navigable than the road so you get down to a farm equipment to pay those bills but that wasn't where that's just not the road oh no so all right well i i have his number and i can reach out to him and maybe now he won't want to let his talk to you but we'll find out and he can certainly come to town office and do his own research on our end um but as i told him i said this is not a priority for us or the select board so i don't have any energy to put into it if you want to do your side do your side always everyone who's it and not the way it is especially when we have an authority to say you can't fix it yeah all right exactly so and you know burton gary are have fun going down there doing anything so yeah so um so one thing that i wanted to do this year you know having sat on the school board which is nice to see different boards and what they do and what they don't do and one thing that i did really like about the um so on the school board i also sat on the supervisory board and the supervisory union board once a year establishes their goals for the year and then those goals are kind of relate to the superintendent you know so whatever the board established for their goals then a majority of those goals kind of become the superintendent's goals um so i was thinking you know normally in april areas when we kind of set your goals for the year right and so i was i guess my hopes would be at the next meeting if we could spend some time maybe putting together um some board goals for the year and they don't have to be high level goals you know uh you know something could be you know an example could be looking at some of these fourth class roads or third class road you know reclassifications or just discontinuances some of it could be i don't make it up you know the village district and you know uh or other you know hot button things that we might think of and maybe between now and then if we wanted just each one of us jot a couple of them down and then at the next meeting we can kind of lay those out and figure out as a as a board which ones would we like to to do you know i don't know five or six of them you know something that's attainable for us to do you know if we list 20 of them you know it's probably too lofty but you know if we put you know some good ones together maybe each person you know comes up with one or two and and we put it together and and then we can probably pick a couple of those to well if we recall this whole thing went down last year and we never got very far because the board goal was the board's goal and also coming with someone who was willing to do that to spearhead that which wasn't you know me and um so that was that's probably why it died because we all said we're changing that we're said oh no if we gotta do it we're not doing it so um you know there's the the standard business but yeah that was what the talk was last time was that there'd be a select board goals and be a select board member interested in you know whatever and i'm just kind of like rock uphill with trees and i'm just kind of envisioning this thing for the next town meeting day you know in the town report we can write you know here were the goals for the year and this is how we did on our goals right you know we did these but we're still working on this one or you know that type of thing i probably as a fair warning won't be able to participate in much of that because like i uh was part of a stir up the hornet's nest today about education funding mm-hmm and we kind of got the uh things started to meet me at morning meeting with her we're gonna start working this summer on some of the people that don't want to do things that could be done to save money oh so you're gonna start ball you're gonna work on a committee with the state yeah oh great i'm hoping i threw my hat name in the hat because i was i was there and i had great news there i know he spoke at the school meeting and uh it just caught my ears like whoa we should be doing something about this yeah and it curses well we're about done this is well you just give me some names and we'll round up some people we'll start working this summer so next january the hope is to have some bill a bell or two for them to look at it great that's that's great just warning that if i if i do that that's all i'm gonna yeah well that's appreciate that too because we are years of on school board and stuff so you'd be a good person to certainly represent you know how much of the budget you actually can touch and you understand it from that point of view so that's great thank you that'd be helpful i know i don't know her that well i know a little bit about rebecca holcomb and she's gonna be involved well the good news is that any time you know the school budget's reasonable and the town's budget's reasonable it's it's always easier on us because if someone comes in and the school budget is going through the roof then people tend to look at us as to wanting us to make up the difference which doesn't work that way but so that's great dave thank you for doing that doesn't work that way we have that's the way it works yeah it's our fault yeah exactly we have this argument every year about it so that would be the idea is just you know yeah try to think about some of the things that either we've wanted to do or some things that we know that we need to do um and and let's put together a few goals that are attainable and that way we can measure ourselves against that and hold ourselves accountable i guess that's a good idea we can have our town manager aid us and some of that sounds already sounds bad that's right so we'll do that in the next one and then we'll i'm sure we'll have a bunch of more annual uh reappointments we're waiting on like the tree warden and finding another fence viewer and you know some stuff like that so i don't is there anything further that we have to do with the listers and things now that's that's on well right now all good go or funny no i am i need to draft an rfp to find um an assessor and then i we need to put out an ad i'm gonna talk to pam tomorrow it's on my list of things to do uh to talk to her about do we want to advertise for a combination someone to work in the listers office as well as be an assistant town clerk because it would work really well for that person if they were going to do her land recordings to also work in the office and and the person in the lister's office won't be doing anything for for evaluation of property they'll just be entering the pttr exchange of address stuff like that excuse me yeah exactly i mean they'll have to know some stuff but i'm also hoping to been hoping to be nice if we could get a lister from another town that would be willing to come over because they'd be all trained on nemeric they'd be trained on camo they'd be trained on vt pie so that would be like no no no the the listers positioned in the office i can't i only did maybe 18 hours a week and so no so we wouldn't be anywhere near and i don't spread that rumor i don't have the money for that unless unless they unless they also want to mow the lawn then they can be the park's position and we'll give them benefits yeah yeah it's a slow day go mow the town hall yeah exactly so don't yeah paul no don't spread that rumor and so you know but that's the thoughts we have to talk to cam a little bit so at rfp for the assessor then a job description for that i'm also need to revisit the job description that we had for the utility person last one to hold that position was richard and make some tweaks to that and then we'll be able to get that out because despite the fact that that budget starts in july you know what i'm not going to be able to wait till july to mow the lawn so i may have to bring somebody in you know sooner than that to um battle for you to start in that position so we'll see what we get for applicants so right now it's it's a matter of creating job descriptions and writing an rfp and before um you know i expect that we'll see nem rick that they will apply for the assessor position considering they're doing our townwide reappraisal and they do that for a lot of small towns i already know their rate hence what i base my budget on so that you know we were in them in the money but yeah so you know that's on the list uh town-wide people are still working yes they are yep yep al punarad was in the other day and uh rick benz and i think a lot rather the week before town meeting had sent out another um round of we mail the cards or he mails the cards about a week or so or a few days before they're gonna you know show up on so do they do like an um they go tackle a certain side of the town first because i haven't seen anything in my house have you seen any ball in my life i've seen it they go street by street okay and they've done camp brook and up there they've been to river street they've been to sand hill they've been um yeah so he did he took the town and then we've just been doing it in streets and he did it in sections so very methodical but as we know it's a two-year rolling reappraisal so we'll really do much for us until july 2025 okay all right yeah so how does that work if you have a new construction i'm always thinking are you Dave well no construction that's not dead then hidden in the woods they won't find it no the but the how do they appraise something that you can't take the value until at till april first no no no name ain't we have your zoning permit so rick benson understood but it still has a value on today right and the value of first may be different right exactly so what'll happen is rick benson will come out so rick benson will come out and praise you or i say rick benson someone uh actually it will be him because he'll still be here the day before so he'll come out we'll praise you for now as because we have to do this for the state has to be the value of what's on the property as of april first then what we'll do is we'll put you in as a percent complete and so then we will revisit you again next year either the listeners right but you've got a you've got a you've got a year you have a year that you could do something more absolutely yeah if you tour your house down you know on march end of march then you're right if there's nothing standing on the property and you rebuilt the taj mahal on may first you're right you'd go a year without without you know tax payment and then we'd gouge you and it's just half construction i don't know what you're building but we'll keep trying anything you've been wanting to do just take it down yeah so no so you're right so you're right that's kind of the way yeah for davidie it's retroactive no no i'm just teasing so um good luck yeah exactly so it's well praise you the day after we grade up that perfect yeah praise right now no no we get a grade for her she's got a big four wheel drive truck she's not getting here in my car that's right the grader should be back this week grader will be right in front of the assessor that's right it's a beautiful road all the way to his house wow you've got such a nice road up here yeah exactly that must increase his value by several thousand so yeah so that you're right that's the way it works so um but yeah we have some minor zoning permits out dex this dot and the other thing that that uh rick benson will catch up um but and hopefully obviously rick benson wants to to leave he's been doing us a favor but so hopefully we'll get that position filled fairly quickly all right any other business to come before the board i have an easy one tonight dave's vape dave's gonna get home before eight all right no way to go break in a new guy i need just move to a turn okay move to a turn every second all right we're all set thank you everybody thank you