 Okay, it's the one o'clock rock. You've been waiting to see John Carroll Republican candidate for the United States Senate the third time and Practice makes perfect, but John Carroll John Carroll and I knew each other as practicing lawyers way back when one time I took a Hawaiian Airlines plane and my goodness. He was in the cockpit flying the plane And then he was in the state house was it for a long time Jesus eight years he was in the state house and then he started running for Senate No, then I know why the why Senate. Yeah, yeah, the Hawaii State Senate. Yeah, yeah And gee what you know what a fantastic career and then you ran for governor a couple of times and now this is the third time You're running for the United States. Exactly trying to unseat Brian shots. Yes So what drives you John you really want to have a public life, don't you well not really I actually I'm responding to a Draft that had a friend of mine took me to a give a speech on the young Jones Act of the Visayan Community Council out there in Wahia and they I'm sorry in Waipahu and they had a draft John Carroll Set ups for signatures and 20 minutes after the speech They had four pages filled with these all Democrats saying you got a run for US Senate And I think draft when as soon as people understand the impact of the Jones Act Which I know most of the people don't even know They will vote for whoever's going to make that happen and I've been working on trying to get it passed since 1970 I'm not passed but eliminated. Yeah And that's a really important part of your platform, isn't it? It's the primary number one It is for hope for the state of Hawaii this Jones Act is primary and I have this You know 12 great-grandkids coming up and I'm looking at the future and I figure if I die Without doing what I am able to do then then I ought to be punished So I figure I will do it and I have had an aortic transplant just for your information And I feel like I'm about 30 years old which is very deceptive because of my looks don't show that but But anyway, I feel very comfortable doing it I feel it's fulfilling something that I've been trying to do for a long time is my last chance and every place I go I seem to get a very nice reception in spite of my looks and all of this. So, you know You are certainly wedded to the Jones Act issue and good for you because you're absolutely right about that We've had a number of shows about the Jones Act. We talked to Mike Hansen. You must know him Oh, absolutely all the time and and Kalita yakinah for that matter. Yep And what what what strikes me though is that you're the only candidate that I know of that's actually taking a position to try to You know accept Hawaii from the effects of the Jones Act Is there anybody else? I haven't heard that Charles de Jieu and And Ed Case both took took a crack at it with Resolutions resolutions when they're in the US House and both times I think in OE and that whole gang came down on them and they I know Ed Case lost his seat to Honobusa And I think she got about seven or eight hundred thousand dollars from A&B and Matt's and for that race And I'm not sure what happened with Charles, but I know he was in there for a short time and then gone So neither one of them were able to do this McCain has tried it and he hasn't done it But I think nobody's really made this the the case before the US Senate and the fact of it is it's an absolute Deliberate interference with interstate commerce. Could I just tell your audience what sure, please take a moment? Okay? Well the Jones Act essentially is a federal law that says that if a ship is not built man maintain owned and Flagged and in America or by Americans it cannot travel in interstate commerce so The net effect is if a ship wants to come in with Fertilizer from Korea or someplace like that and drop off a half of a load of Fertilizer or whatever it may be automobiles they can they can come here with no problem, but they cannot go to another state They've got to go to Mexico or Canada and then to another state and this it this law Affects Hawaii more than any other state it affects Alaska to some extent It's affected the east coast in the south coast of the United States when they wanted to bring in foreign ships to do Certain things after hurricanes, but for Hawaii. It's absolutely ridiculous and I prepared I should say a fellow named Alfred Zell who was a Professor at the air at the Army War College and he prepared this but this will show you The difference in the price amounts that we have to pay to live here And the most shocking thing if I can share this because I'm a retired veteran, you know veteran I'm able to shop in the PX in the commissary Oh, I didn't mention that you're a United States Air Force and US Army Korean War veteran, too Yes, anyway amazing for a man of 30 years of age So they say very few people have had 86 years to prepare for a new job, you know, so anyway but I went to the PX and To buy a half a gallon of milk And we used I get in the commissary I got there It was almost five with him was four dollars and ninety five cents for a half a gallon of milk I was in Oregon about well three weeks ago And I was just doing comparisons and a gallon of milk in Oregon Or it was about two dollars and ninety five cents a half a gallon of milk was a dollar eighty nine So a dollar eighty nine and that's five dollars in the PX I don't know what it costs it safe way But it's got to be somewhere around that amount and for us to have to pay that for milk That's not even fresh milk is absolutely absurd What's even more absurd is I'm driving in from Pearl City to go to work And we've got this huge billion dollar project going on and there's potholes and and practically trenches and Metal plates all the way across so you've got this almost like Third World Street next to this billion dollar project Now that is what I call an absurdity And that's the kind of thing that I would intend to change as your as your US senator Okay, well, okay, that's I'm glad we what other platforms whatever points on your platform Okay, well number one in the you as far as the US side of it that is a national We are you know, I was an operations officer office planner when I was in the military and I went to Air War College and And Air Command and Staff College and we just we did study and discuss at length Unconventional warfare. Well the number one tenet in an unconventional war is that you determine who is the enemy We have no idea who the enemy is in this particular war. We're having skirmishes I was looking at statistics from 2002 until till July of this year. We had 14 a terrorist attacks between January and July of this year 14 and in it if you're looking at an ops planner The enemy has lost one or two of its soldiers and we've lost anywhere from three or four To like 25 or 30 or 50 or whatever it may be so in terms of losing or winning the war Operationally, we're totally losing. We don't know where they are who they are or why they are These are things that have to be done the only way that we're ever going to find out is we've got to get a cadre of People and when I used to call them spies but basically people that can infiltrate the mosque and the different areas where these people can be found and then and then infiltrated and then go on from there with intelligence to really go after them and then go after whatever Logistical support we got to understand their command and control and whatever that may be But when you're looking at all the statistics and they're in Africa and Every country you can think of these terrorist attacks are going on now whether they're all tied together I don't know but that's something we need to know if we're going to fight a war and I think I bring this background to the Senate So what would you do in terms of developing that intelligence you embed people? You know, obviously it can't all be remote control. Oh, no, absolutely on the ground You know to train people to speak the language and and be and be able to embed themselves what I am looking at is to get with everyone particularly the People in the Middle East the Jordanians possibly Egyptian obviously the Israelis people that can infiltrate You know unbeknownst to the people around them and who have been trained to go in and get this kind of intelligence for us It's going to take some efforts our number one on our boots on the ground. Forget it I believe if there's something we want to be just you know destroyed or whatever we can do it with air power We do not need any boots on the ground. We have to have the intelligence. We have to have well that that's the one Yes, excuse me for that, but I'm even for that I'm saying that the bulk of this Cadre should be coming out of the Middle East not out of San Francisco It's really high stakes poker exactly and to be able to fit into the community They've got to be appear to be part of the community and that's the only way it's going to happen but What about diplomatic relations you have a position on that a platform plank on The question of what what sort of diplomatic relations we should have at this point, especially with Europe but also with Asia Well, I think they're critical and and that's a let me can I share When I ran for US Congress in 66 nitskin had Nixon had won had lost the Presidential against Kennedy he lost the California Governorship and I had to spend about two hours with him in front of the airport and during that time I had Just coming from German and Sapphire was a total hawk on the Vietnam War. He said John. We have no business in Vietnam that when French asked us to help them with DNB and food. We denied it. We gave him logistical support But that's it and then he went on to talk about about international peace and what he said was is that with International peace it's going to come through international trade and commerce. That's the only way it's going to happen So I'm looking at very much open free trade and in fact what happened was I thought When the people said Trump was going to run I thought what is this jackass doing even thinking about running but then I heard him all through the debates and the more I heard I The more I realized the guy said things exactly like Nixon and he's got this tremendous background in international commerce And I'm thinking this guy could be the greatest president we ever had and I know that's I know my staff doesn't want Me to even mention Trump around here, but but that that is right. We need to know how you feel well That's how I feel I'll tell you how I really feel But anyway, so that's one thing and I saw the the internet I mean the US economy is really critical to me and I see the solution is going to come through a very Conservative Congress it's going to take we've got to look at regulations. I think that place places like the Department of Education some of these intrusive Federal government involvements have got to go and I'm going to be on the stump on that and You mentioned in passing the economy and I'd like to know your platform on that. I mean You know we have we have some stats that are good some that are not so good a lot of people dissatisfied And they just have to be supporting Trump in large part. I think But they're not happy with the economy. What would you do to fix the economy in Congress in this Senate? Well, what what what Trump is talking about doing is exactly what I would be doing because we've got way too much regulation way too much Taxation and there's really not that many other than their Jones Act. There's not too many You know Impairing type laws as far as international trade is concerned But we have to your question originally was about The our allies and that's where I was actually getting to is that we need to work with everybody whether it's appellate No, I mean they're not our allies but with everybody that's that's out there and let them see what the benefit is of Trading with us being partners with us and then going on from there like rim pack here We've got the Chinese communists coming in here in their ships and we're buddies with them So I would totally favor that that sort of thing, but it's um It's a favor having them join us in rim pack. Yeah. Yeah, what about other aspects of diplomatic relations? For example, there's an issue about the South China Sea And we have some consternation over the decision in the Hague the tribunal in the Hague a few weeks ago What position would you take on that? Well, the South? Yeah, the South China Seas thing I I mean Taiwan should be the ones screaming about that at the UN and we can go in there and back them up there as far as Bombing it or taking it out of taking it out. I'm and you don't ask me that question, but um Anyway, I'm sorry, but I have a fairly hawk like streak in me And if I think something's hurting our country then I'm ready to obliterate it. So but um, what position would you take on North Korea then? Okay The position I take if Pyongyang did with their I mean if I were president right now They would not have a nuclear capability. I can tell you that that's that and I'd say the same for Iran I'd say the same for Pakistan So yes now, you know in Congress we have people considered dysfunctional For a lot of reasons but you can't seem to make up their minds on funding You know the government and they argue about things and they do these kind of hostage They hold issues hostage and then the result is we don't have any action So arguably, you know Congress is dysfunctional right now. What would you do to fix that? Well, the only thing that I can do that I that I know of it would be To just express myself Vocally and try to get as much Information however I could out to the rest of the people in the Senate and into the house and I you probably don't know this But when I was in the state house here We were in the process of starting to think about Environmental protection legislation and I introduced a bill that forced the sugar planners They have to silt all of that water before it went into the ocean because as a fighter pilot I'm coming in from 250 miles north and there's acres of the gas out there So you say so you mean remove the silk well remove the big gas from so that the yeah That in other words all the silt stays on shore and then the water goes back in the water But it's because it used to be there be two or three miles It would look like coffee in front of every meal. Yeah, and so anyway when I soon as I got in I did that and then of course I never got another penny out of castlin cook or or the But what I did do is I got every single Environmental law that we now have passed by working with Jean King and Taddao Beppu and Richard Kawakami And and John Oshijima and the guys on both sides And I think I can do the same thing because I have a I'm just able to see where they're coming from and I'm able to convince them of what makes sense and let them I didn't I only the only bill that I got credit for it was The green sea turtle and monk seal protection, which is not being properly enforced by the way, but anyway, okay We're gonna take a break now John. We come back. I'd like to ask you about the monument How you feel about the monument out there because everybody's talking about it lately is community matters with John Carroll. He's a third-time candidate for the United States Senate And he's Republican and we're talking about his platform and we'll be right back Aloha everybody. My name is Mark. Shklav. I'd like you to join me for my program law across the sea on thinktech, Hawaii calm Aloha, I'm Kirsten Baumgart Turner host of sustainable Hawaii. Thanks for watching think tech this summer We have a lot of terrific shows of great importance And I hope you'll watch my show too every Tuesday at noon as we address sustainability issues for Hawaii They're really pertinent as the World Conservation Congress approaches in September and the World Youth Congress That's focusing on sustainability next year as well Have a great summer and tune in at noon every Tuesday Welcome to think tech Hawaii calm. This is Johnson Choi your host My focus is Asia in reveal. We talk about interesting subjects in Asia Be sure to check the think tech calm website on the next topic Thank you We're back. We're here with John Carroll Republican and third-time candidate for the United States Senate I running against Brian shots among others. There's a lot of people in the field actually So you had something during the break about some jumper tables and I think we need a little humor So tell us the story. Well, okay, the jumper table goes into the bar the bartender says I'll serve you But don't start anything. Oh You know, I heard that within the last 24 hours She'd never work with jumper cables. I can see that We'll have to explain all this to our young staff Yes, so John are looking for positions, you know, and let's see She I was gonna ask you a monument. Yeah monument. Yeah, right Okay Well, first of all The our Coast Guard is not doing what they're supposed to be doing the monument as it's currently You know geographically put in place and by the way I because of all of that Environmental legislation I put in the federal fishing wildlife people took me out to cure a and Pearl and Hermes in Midway To see what kind of conditions were out there. So I'm not just talking out of my hat here but as far as I understand it the There's a 200-mile Border that needs to be sacrosanct, but our Coast Guard is allowing Other, you know ships from Japan and Korea and I don't know where the heck else But they're coming in taking the fish and going out of there. So number one I believe that they've got to enforce the rules out there And if it takes more money for the Coast Guard then so be it the as far as expanding it I'm against it because we there's so much of a of our fish Fisheries is deep is dependent upon that and they're already excluded and our people are obeying the law But these other foreign ships are going in so I think that to expand it doesn't make any sense to me at all And I would you know fight to the death force as it is Yeah, one other issue that's a sort of a federal issue these days and it strikes me that it's important for us To know how you feel about it is especially in light of all these domestic attacks is gun control You know after the last one of them So many of them you say they're all over the calendar and and it's not only and you know act a rather Jihadists it's ordinary, you know domestic terrorism our own our own people who Don't even pretend to be jihadists are using guns and killing police for example So what's your position on gun control? Would that be useful in reducing the risk to American citizens? I think it would be creating more risk for for American citizens number one you I might as well tell you I'm a lifetime member of Hawaii Rifle Association But the whole purpose of the Second Amendment is to allow people to protect themselves in their homes and to have anything It's going to erode the right to own an arm in my book I'm ready to shoot whoever wants to do that. So I mean that's just being funny, but that's It really how I feel it there. It's a it's a sacrosanct. It's not just a hunting permit thing It's a life protection and I believe firmly that we should maintain that at all costs Going to issues that are federal but that have a big effect here is TMT You know the 30-meter telescope we've had a lot of protest about that and right now it seems to be pretty much locked up Yeah, what's your thought about that? Do you have a position? Can you help? As a member of the United States Senate, okay? I believe I can help the reason I say that is I'm in a halau, which is totally against the TMT I dance hula by the way, so Then they've got a big I'm not gonna ask you to do that today. Well, this is a very good idea Well, who might be very persuasive. Why don't you just as soon as John can dance? But anyway But as far as I'm concerned The scientific advances that can be made the discoveries that can be made The enhancement of the Hawaiian culture can can be You know increased if we can have that Telescope and I think that as an am I kids grandkids great-grandkids all part of why and so it's not like I'm absent from the culture, but it's I think to do anything to stop that it would be really really Dumb and I think that anything we can do to get it over with or get it into place Operating makes a lot of good sense, and I will do what I can for that another big local issue which has federal implications, of course is rail You know because we we are hoping to get some money from Washington that will you know ameliorate the cost and the cost is bigger every Time you look and without federal money from Washington. It's gonna be hard for us So can Congress do you know when when then in Norway was occupying this very seat? You know he was able to raise money from all directions in Congress And he could fund projects like this and so many others Could you do that for rail would you do that for rail? Where can you where can you go in terms of developing the muscle? It takes to raise money for hawaii in the federal government Well, first of all i'm working with a group called do rail right al-frenzel john bond dr. Dudley you know cuny dudley those those folks have done a huge amount of Research and they've gone into the absolutely Close to criminal activity that's taken place over these years. I am looking at that now and I will reserve What I what I would do in congress is is basically to make sure that what we can do here is the proper thing to do The economic thing to do and the right thing to do and at this point I don't really know as far as my own personal feeling about is they ought to stop it at the stadium Keep out of the floodplain all together, which is where they're going to go when they come down the hill and by halamba and um And then run the buses out from there because right now even if they run to alamona If you're working on bishops street or someplace like that, you know, where where is the where's the station where you're going to walk from there It's not like tokyo or someplace like that where you've got street cars and things like that that are going by to help Where after you get off of the train and so I I really think the whole idea was absurd to begin with I believe that if we wanted one we should have had it an at grade that ran from downtown the olawa rail Would have saved a number of things but we're also looking at What happened and who did what along the way? I do not have Enough concrete information at this time to make a definitive statement. So okay, but I think it's it's in place We've got to utilize what we have i'm certainly not in favor of tearing it down or anything like that There's uh, you know, it's actually a beautiful structure when you look at it It makes you feel good, but it's just uh, so absurd in this we're serving 200 000 people They had three million out there. I'd say absolutely, but it's ridiculous The whole country is um, you know at a tipping point I would say in energy and renewable energy and so for example, hawaii isn't a tipping point We have just lost the possibility of a 4.3 billion dollar deal with next era And I wonder what your thoughts are about the status of our efforts in hawaii to You know to to to meet our goal of 100% renewable by 2045 And whether the federal government can help should help in terms of national energy policy That would have an impact on hawaii's effort. Well, number one, we should be already Almost totally independent and on alternative fuel when I was in the legislature We put in the this first solar bill the first wind bill the geothermal ocean thermal energy conversion All of those came off of my desk So number one is I'm totally looking at that and I'm totally committed to getting that done I don't think we need money from the federal government to do it I'm really happy frankly that the next era thing went down the chute those guys I mean what's happened here and and HECO is involved with it to some extent already They will not give out the permits to allow The the solar people to put in new Solar panels in the different districts and they've got this This particular law that they passed in 2008 that allows them When they put in say 10,000 new solar projects or you know solar Generators in the neighborhood whatever that does to their bottom line they can then Redistribute that through the rest of the ratepayers in the state to keep their bottom line where it was before that new 10,000 went in so they've been reluctant to to move forward with it You've got people like like Jeff Davis the solar guy and and other people that have been a little bit You know vocal on the issue, but as far as I'm concerned that is a way to go and hawaii is so ideal We can be a You know basically an icon for the world on on this subject matter And so everything that I can do there to make that happen I will do but the idea of having one big corporation having any kind of control over alternative energy Is not not only acceptable not acceptable, but it's just sickening to me to think of it, so John you're running for uh, essentially den in oa seed and now we're brine shots to see brine has been there for a couple Of years developing to these 10 he can You know a uh an arrangement Uh influence in the senate Uh hopefully in the years to come he he might achieve some part of what den and oa Achieved over his lifetime in the senate, and I wonder uh, you know thoughts about how you can match that I mean, uh, do you have a chance of winning? Do you think and do you have a chance of developing the kind of clout that den and oa had and that brine Shots is developing right now as we speak Well, first of all, I don't think brine is Developing much clout among the republicans from what I hear and his his major fame claim to fame right now is getting a poison to To save the the uh the lehua tree which which I applaud by the way My my hawaii name is kalei lehua o kalani, so I have this in infinity for that But uh, he took a very large donation from next era Which shows me that he has very little understanding of what we're trying to do here in terms of alternative energy um, I can say this um, I have That I mentioned is aortic heartfelt I think I have the personality to get done among conservative republicans The things that I think will make our state the best place in the world Can I just divert slightly take 30 seconds and finish okay, singapore has 250 square miles They have a gross domestic product of about 120 billion dollars a year We have over 6,000 square miles and we have a gross domestic product of less than 70 billion dollars a year We've got homeless people all over the place jobless people all over the place. Singapore has none of that They've got housing for everybody. I just had of my landlady just got back from singapore. She confirmed that I see as hawaii can be better than singapore better than hong kong And it already is the best place in the world and we can make it the most solvent place in the world That's why i'm running Thank you john carroll republican candidate for united states senate. Thanks for coming down to think tech Thanks for telling us. Thank you jay. It's a pleasure a pleasure