 And this process will help us to start the very difficult process of proper reconciliation, restitution, bringing together of everyone that must have in one form or the other been affected by either the police or any of our citizens that must have been wronged by one form or the other. Welcome back to the Breakfast and Plus TV Africa as we focus on the end-sales report from Lagos State and what's next. You know we have joining us at being at Komalafei is the co-convener coalition for revolution. Good morning to you Mr. Komalafei many thanks for joining us on the breakfast this morning. All right let's indeed examine the end-sales report from Lagos and of course what's next. We understand that you addressed a press conference yesterday and indeed you made some certain demands and in as much as Nigerians are awaiting the white paper to be released by the Lagos State Governor Babajdi Somolul you actually made some demands can you just run us through them. Thank you very much. What we did actually was to re-opern the recommendations of the end-sales panel which was set by the Lagos State government that is into what actually happened in the legislative gates on the night of October 20th year 2020. So we deem it fit to re-opern the recommendations of the panel in a vicious attack that the reports of the panel were subjected to by spokespersons and apologists of the state government. I need to be recalled that the panel actually was set by the state government the panel members were unpicked by the state government. As all the men and women judge we have eminent legal practitioners we have their entire deputy inspector general police and so on so forth. So what we will least expect but that will come into a no-animous position and we will always expect that anybody least of all spokespersons of the state government will come out to come out to disparage the recommendations of the panel just because they feel that the panel forms its conscience. Members of the panel found their conscience and affirmed the facts as was revealed to them by the testimonies of those who came before the panel to testify under oath about what actually happened that night. Among other things the panel recommended the panel affirmed that the army had no business being in the throat gates on the night of October 20th because the protests had been peaceful all that came out to testify about the protests have found to be far from extremely peaceful very well organized protest members made sure the protest ground was always clean they made sure they protected themselves against attacks of talks that were often unleashed on them they arrested some of these talks and handed them over to the police and according to the testimony of the general attack we also testified under oath protestors even fraternized with members of the security forces deployed there they shared drinks according to him and so on so forth. All right Mr come on the fair. So given the peaceful atmosphere the panel found that there was no reason for the army to be there in the first instance. All right Mr come on the fair if I have to boat in at this particular instance in as much as we have seen the leaked report or allegedly leaked report which was unsigned what value can we really place on that report in as much as there were recommendations from this leaked report and the Lagos state government is yet to release a white paper should we place so much value on that report? Well the truth of the matter is that nobody has actually come out to say the panel report was false or that the recommendation contendia are invalid. Neither the panel members who are still very much around nor even the sports fighters of the state government have come out to say that what has been released was in the public domain right now is false rather they have been attacking the content of the panel report. So which means that the content is now was in contention I mean sorry the report is now was in contention where they are quarrelling with the far reaching conclusions and recommendations of the panel. So I don't think there is any nobody has come out to say oh that panel that is not our report. The panel has not come out to say oh that what is circulating is not what has been submitted. Even the lawyer to the state government has not come out to say that all the copies circulating is not what is in the opposition rather he came out to attack the contents of the report. He came out to attack the testings of the panel members he made very wide allegations against the panel members even going as far as alleging that he collected rights you know. So definitely what we have now is not in contention by anybody so we have we have no reason to doubt that what we have in the public domain now represents the the main elements of the NSAS primary force and that's how it should be because the report belongs to the public it's not the private document of anybody or even the state government. But you would also and I would also want to ask shouldn't we be concerned about the fact that the report is not signed I mean it has no signature on it shouldn't that be a concern? Well indication what we have had in the public domain actually was let out possibly to ensure that the contents will be protected. We all agree that what we have in public domain is not official yet. We all await the government white paper on the report. What the government white paper does is not to rewrite the report is just to express the opinion of the government on the report and to state what they will do or will not do about it. So we are with the white paper but signed or unsigned what is very clear is that nobody has come out to deny that that report represents the main elements of what has been submitted as the outcome of the NSAS panel. Nobody has come out to dispute that rather we have several attempts to discredit it So I'd like to ask what happens if you know the leaked report I mean and the white paper because we're counting down eight days before we get the white paper what happens if there's no correlation between the leaked report and the white paper? Well I've said it before the panel members are alive as a matter of fact Barristar Eboni Agade Borua who has been particularly single was particularly singled out by Barristar Uoni Koko for attack in his response to the circulating reports. I've come out to say that I mean the report is in the procession of every panel member and that Eboni Agade states to make everything not just the report but even the proceedings the text of the proceedings day by day throughout the whole year it will make it available to the public So the panel members are alive if the government now refuses to make available the report then of course we have everything to call the panel members to avail us the official content of the report and we also have every reason as citizens of this country to call on the legal state government to come out officially with the report if they say they want subgradings on sign then let them come out with the one that is signed and let's have the soap or white paper and then we will know how to respond. All right thank you for that Mr. Agade Borua but yet again in the wake of all of this the white paper yet to be released that we are seeing lots of threats and of course people or star witness being macheteed you know what does this really tell the white paper is yet to be released and the the senior lawyer there Agade Borua is saying that if anything happens to him the legal state government should be held responsible so what do we expect to see in the next coming days if the senior lawyer is actually claiming that he has been threatened and the star witness is being macheteed. Yeah we'll expand the white paper to reflect likely what the questions and the Nigerian public has been subjected to since the report has been circulating uh they've tried everything to discredit the report and they've tried everything to even cast suspensions on the persons or the panel members so we expect that the so-called white paper who are following that being uh like some would be commented uh barista Ooni Koko has actually given us the content of the white paper uh by his uh wide reaching allegations and attacks on the report so um it will be a pleasant surprise if the white paper affirms the logical reasonable conclusions of the report which flows directly from the testimony standard before the panel it will be a pleasant surprise but it will not be it will not be shocking to not be a surprise at all to anybody if it's otherwise uh if the white paper comes out to disparate the report or to try to discredit the report it will also not be a surprise and the basic team will be for all Nigerians and I'm saying this with every sense of responsibility all Nigerians to actually be concerned about what the levels of government will have to say about this report with white paper and to respond accordingly because once our state air our basic liberties as citizens of this country to assemble to associate and to freely protest when we have reasons to do so uh citizens of we all deplore those who are raising up enhanced against the government and people of Nigeria we all deplore the state of insecurity in the country but at the same time we have found our right as citizens to express our display throughout any time and to express such through peaceful means including peaceful protest oh okay so yeah so if the white paper takes anything away from these basic liberties which were violently you know violated on the night of October 2020 then all Nigerians who have every right to come out in unison uh to express their views about whatever the legal state government has to say okay uh let's talk about the constitution of the entire panel there are arguments that you can't be a george in your own case I mean a person of interest so yes it's it's it has to do with the fact that the Lagos state government or the Lagos state governor has been pointed directly has been involved in all of this and why should a panel be constituted by the Lagos state government and the report been submitted to the same Lagos state government what are your thoughts yeah that's that's actually part of the contradiction of this colonial legacy actually uh constituent panels writing white papers uh while some of the little tricks of the british uh when we were under their colonial rule uh it was a method of pacification it was a method of suppressing popular dissent against uh renewals public policies so it was perpetrated by the british our post-colonial governments have inherited this culture and they have perpetrated it so it's grossly unfair you constituted an allegation has been made against the government about its conduct especially at the leikito gate and its conduct generally in responding to the answers protest because we know that even before the night of october 20 uh government thoughts have been unleashed on protesters uh so what happened on the night of october 20 was actually a logical culmination of the vicious attack the vicious protesters is who protesters were subjected to over subjected to all over the country including labels uh so we were expect that some kind of impartial body made up of civil society and other public institutions uh who are dedicated over this kind of affair but we've had a situation where the state government apparently in response to popular clamo constituted a panel and in constituting this panel they did not consult with anybody in their wisdom they picked the members of the panel and swore their hands with clear terms of reference this part the panel sat for better part of 12 months a whole year receiving testimonies from interest from those who are involved in the case uh including the protest starts including the armed personnel that were deployed there including the representatives of the government itself and so on so forth witnesses this was summoned some came some especially from the government side refused to come and now after a whole year of all their efforts we have a report and the single government is setting up the right uh there's a so-called uh committee again to review what was done in the whole year within the two weeks i mean you see how uh how does it begin to make sense so what was done in the whole year will now be reviewed within one week by the same government and before even the two weeks we elapsed representatives of the government including their leading council uh out disparaging the report so uh that was to tell the this sheer illogicality i don't want to say stupidity of the whole process so doesn't it bring that doesn't it mean doesn't matter even then i won't go this far i won't go this far there's a report and we expect that uh the report we made available on the basis of the report that government will take very reasonable actions and what are the demands released those who are in prison as we talk there are hundreds of Nigerians who are illegally arrested during the protest after the protest who are still in jail one year after they are not able to call even if they were did anything the law required that they they should have their day in court this report increasing in their hundreds they have not been brought to court they are not being released we expect that to have closure on this matter these people will be released they will be rehabilitated we expect that those who are killed their families will be compensated adequately so that there will be closure there will be justice and then we can then say we want to move on that uh anything short of this really uh will be an affirmation of injustice anything short of this and it will be a call for people to return back to the barricades so invariably now you are saying that there might be a counter-protest if uh this enclosure is not actually gotten because you have indeed said that you are boldly aligning with the recommendations of the panel and of course again you said that the Lagos state government cannot appropriate and reprobate reprobate in his own case so exactly invariably now do you see anything coming out of all of this uh you mentioned that uh disciplinary actions should be taken to left and corner s obela major general godwin umelu who refused to honor the summons of the panel in order to frustrate the investigation would we see all of these uh uh people who were indicted in this by this pascalapada would you see any of them being brought to to book as it were well we will expect that uh if two ladies is a democracy we expect that these people has public officers paid with public funds uh ostensibly working on behalf of the public uh will be heard accountable we expect that they will be brought to book for the enough crime they were alleged to have committed and they will go and they will be in court we are not saying that they should that we are not the penitent who just disables anybody but they are saying that they should be removed from their whatever position they are holding right now and they should be brought through the court of law to answer for their alleged crimes that is not too much to ask for last year we had the case of judge floyd in the united states of america immediately the police officers concerned were arrested you know and they are they are being caught and as we speak now uh uh the inducted police officers are in jail so that's what we expect in the democracy uh even when the soldiers were willing us we had occasions like this when uh public officers had to be dismissed uh even by the military government so uh we will expect that the reasonable recommendations of the panel that those who are responsible for the mass murder that have been likely should be brought to book right and uh should they show up they are being caught all right thank you so much uh it's uh bingo uh come a lot for he is the co-convener uh coalition for uh revolution we must say a very big thank you to you for your input concerning uh the ansar's report of legal state as we await the white paper from the state government thank you once again thank you thank you very much all right all right still uh the breakfast and plus tv africa will take a very quick break and then we'll come back to a will go to our final discussion which is the attack on passengers on the kaduna abuja highway yesterday stay with us