 you know, how do you make it easy for people to remember, right? They know the genes and there's a genome, right? And so essentially your exposome, right, is that unit that refers to your environment, your total exposure to the environment. The genome is to your genes and your exposome is to your environment. Right now it's at the level of the tabulum because it's what we can prove, right? It's what we can show objectively that here, here is what's improved, right? It's like I don't rely on anything subjective but usually and the case is like I'm feeling better, right? I'm feeling better or I feel so much better or some some husbands would go I'm only here because my wife told me so and then they would come six months later and they go Dr. Ted, you know, I thought I was really feeling better but I didn't know that it was possible to feel this way. So I tell them my goal actually in in getting you here is to get you addicted to the feeling of wellness so you know that when you get off balance, you know what it is that that you're off balance, right? Why, you know, people say they they're biohacking all sorts of things, right? This is a framework by which you can make, you can hang all of your hacks. You could look at epigenetics, you know, bioenergetics, microbiota, got microbiota, mitochondria, exposomics, chronobiology, evolutionary medicine, and you could hang all of your hacks in there in a logical way, right? There's a logic now you're not just saying oh it's because they're saying it's good for me. Someone's opinion may contradict yours. Where's my friend, Alan? It's all about your perspective. Who are we and what is the nature of this reality? Five, four, three, two, come to simulation. I'm your host Alan Sakyun. I am so pumped for this episode. We're going to be talking about health optimization. We have Dr. Ted Ocho Koso joining us on the show. Hi Ted. Hi Alan. Thanks so much for coming on the program. I'm so pumped for this. I adore everything that you're doing with synthesizing our most cutting-edge technological advances in understanding our biometrics and optimizing our health and that is just going to be so paramount for economic efficiencies for intelligence and artistic efficiencies so I am pumped. You're so optimistic with the way you say that. You know, by putting all of those together is just with my frustration on how we have all of these sciences that have advanced but we're not using them in the clinics to optimize our health. You know, we're just all doing disease, disease, disease and I'm fed up with that. Me too and same thing with all these other brilliant scientists and doctors and people that are really at the edge of biotech that know what you know that you're going to be sharing with us is that they're fed up with that and we're coming in hot for the future right now. For those that don't know Ted's background, I'll read it to you guys, is that he is the global founding pioneer of health optimization medicine and practice home hope which detects and corrects imbalances at the level of the metabolome, leveraging multi-omics, epigenetics, bio-energetics, gut immune systems, chronobiology, exposomics and evolutionary medicine. He's also the founder of Biobalance Institute in Manila providing proof of concept that health optimization medicine and practice is an economically superior clinical practice. He's double board certified in nutritional and anti-aging medicine with focus on AI, medical informatics and mathematics of consciousness and wrote the first ever connectome of C elegans into a book and you can find all of his links in the bio below homehope.org, biobalanceinstitute.com as well as troescriptotroscriptions.com. All right Ted, I want to start with this is probably the most important first place for us to start with and then we're going to get into what we were talking about in the intro is how did you at such a young age because we we talk about this so much on the program is parsing for signal and inspiring young kids especially to parse for signal related to not only what are the most ancient spiritual understandings of metaphysics and the nature of reality but also around what are the most cutting edge sciences and then bringing those two together and and also the kids unique gift and identifying that you at such a young age were able to figure out how to how to how to parse for that signal and became and achieved all of your medical success is so much earlier than most people do how did you figure all of that out how did you begin parsing for that signal at such a young age actually and I have said this before and I insist on it especially on children it's not to stifle their curiosity you push your kids and younger people to be curious about things and for the parents not to be to provide path answers to things like God made this and God made that and suddenly you know the child becomes lazy what I call intellectual sloth that plagues our society right you allow them to discover you allow them to get bored and they watch a cutter a cutter pillar and then they wonder what happens to a cutter pillar you know when you when you couple that with the proper guidance and you know a certain industriousness on the part of the parents or on the teachers to nurture the curiosity with the proper facts right then you could actually instill in in in a child that there are certain patterns that nature follows yes and then when and then when they realize that the nature follows certain patterns and then they could realize that okay then there is such a thing called mathematics that is the science of abstract pattern right you could see that they could you could abstract for example x plus x equals two x then one apple plus one apple equals two apples right uh and but then when it's uh y it's uh you know x plus y is a one apple plus one orange equals one apple and one orange then you could immediately see that the pattern can be immediately abstractible and then you instill in them a love for abstract patterns and that will that will spur them into you know more curiosity about well what other patterns exist and pretty soon you know for mathematical purists out there for example they really love the beauty of being able to abstract those patterns and they make these discoveries that way but for us who are you know i'm i'm undergrad in biology right and and uh for me it's looking at the uh what fascinates me and what drives my curiosity always even as a younger child is how did we evolve you know how did we come to be this way what were the factors in there that's why for example an interest in evolutionary biology is uh you know i i you know it should be taught to everyone you know um evolutionary biology should be taught to every everyone because it shows you how we have called how did we get here right and then as you much for you should be taught uh the new field now that there's a new field called evolutionary psychology right why do we why do we behave the way we do yeah and uh when you see that that's shaped by evolution and it's also and evolution is shaped the way the brain is wired the way we're wired right and then and then for us to be understanding the economic economics where we're in everyone should be taught you know game theory evolutionary game theory you know these are things are fundamental but you could see what i'm driving up right yes one is the capacity to see patterns what's the definition of genius right yes it is is uh the capacity to see patterns where others say that there are none and the patterns exist right and the definition of madness is the capacity to see patterns where others say that there are none and they're really none right so so there is the thin line uh but um and even if you take a look at iq tests and all the kind of stuff you know it's really your capacity to to see patterns and to do abstractions through those patterns and the clearer you see them you know the faster the faster you are at looking so um i have this concept allen of what i call i like verbizing nouns so uh and i i i love fractal mathematics right so um um you know i look at the core pattern you know what gets iterated over and over what gets repeated over and over right so for evolution it's really very simple uh and um you know it's it's a random variation and natural selection right and that's darwin's version but now we have already abstracted that right so we have we have essentially random variation and you know um environmental selection but the unit of selection now differs right so for richard dockins for example you could see that his unit of selection is a gene is the gene that's being selected for for darwin it was populations right and um i was hearing an evolutionary biologist from harvard actually interpreting this all wrong you know that the the unit of selection in darwin's case is not the individual it's the population that's being selected for right it's it's kind of like pre-industrial england right when when there were lots of white moths and then suddenly with industrialization there was a lot of soot around right and suddenly the black moths started to getting selected for because they could conceal better and the white moths started getting eaten by the pigeons because they could be seen um they could be seen right so you could see very easily that these are the kinds of things that that selection does but the unit of selection is different for memes which was introduced by dockins right um not the bastardized internet meme that we have now but if the unit of selection for society and culture right when you are going to school they what they're doing is they're transferring memes right and memes are leaving like genes they're like viruses they transfer and these are these are like you know sayings uh like like maxims like uh you know the early bird catches the worm right and i like to bastardize that a lot i say the early bird catches the early worm because you could see how these little memes would affect your behavior right so um so you could see that it all stems from early on pushing pushing the curiosity allowing for the child to identify you know that the certain core patterns are that get repeated even if it's hidden right and then an abstraction of that pattern to something else that's manipulable right yes yes so now you could see a child growing to manipulate you know a a geometry of 64 dimensions you know which you could never imagine right it's because introspection is usually all wrong right because you cannot imagine a geometry of something that has 64 dimensions but you know sure there there are there are geometries now that are occurring beyond space and time so you know if you for example it occurs to them that hey you know i can regard space and time as illusion and physics is finding now the space time is an illusion so you could see the ramifications of that are very vast and we need these kinds of motivations for the younger people not just to fucking survive and reproduce yeah i mean because that's ordinary yeah that's so ordinary yeah that says this we do this we did in two standard evasions as as i like to say you know if that's what we do and then we we destroy this earth right and then so we go in spaceships and colonize another livable planet survive and reproduce erect that planet again and go somewhere else i think oh you know then we're not doing our job right we're not doing a job in in determining where we want to bring our species to and i i presume that the reason why you want to bring out podcasts like this is that you know how can we have a species awareness that brings us forward to where we really want to bring ourselves to in relation to the network of other species that are out there in this planet it is our one and only host at the moment right and we're destroying it at a really alarming rate you know so and then and then from and then from there is and then you you go back like uh oh you know the reason why are there so many climate change and iris and all that is is you know i usually don't like to say this is just plain ignorance right there's a certain as dock ins likes to say you know there's a certain form of intellectual courage right able to be able to do this to make these kinds of assertions and and that intellectual courage actually for example if you're looking at climate change you have to have a fundamentals of of the second law of thermodynamics at least but who wants to know that let alone want to know the the structure of fermions and bosons and all and leptons and quarks we evolved right we evolved to like to know stories because it's as that's how we are evolved for survival right and for reproduction so we like to tell stories around you know that's why we're good at conspiracies we're good at all of these uh uh things that have plots and motivations etc but we're so poor at statistics like for example you know the the amount of car accidents are a lot more than taking a plane for example and we we cannot realize that right because we are made for a nomadic group of five to seven people we're not intended to to take a look at populations you know certain laws are formulated that way or regulations are formulated the way the the seat belt law you know massachusetts didn't want to do the seat belt law because it crinkled their clothes right but uh from a rational they were the last ones to enact it in law but you know from from from from a from a rational point of view means are you thinking statistically and this is the effect you know from when you get child curious and and then um you know superimposing science and and mathematics you know and uh uh and evolution how we evolved yeah and how we came to think this way then there is a chance for us not to think this way to think in a different way right um yes and and so we can we can think of different solutions right for different solutions for issues and for and that's why for example i was thinking about health right i you know we say we're talking about health optimization i know you're already gone far right yeah let me hit let me hit the ball back and then we'll we'll keep going this okay this this intro segment has been really awesome how you how you explained when the child is uh it has the full curiosity fully enabled and then also there is the guiding influence of of intelligent parents that have understood that there are these patterns that emerge and then by in a sense abstracting out those patterns into Pareto efficient ways of teaching the child about those patterns and also for the child to they themselves watch those patterns and for them to fully embody the recognition of those patterns including the patterns of things like why there's perennial spirituality around the entire planet pointing at the same nature of reality understanding so then there's this big synthesis that happens for the kid as they follow their creativity and they follow their curiosity and they're understanding the science patterns and the spiritual patterns and they understand their own unique artistry role i really like that and also i like just the classical bell curve understanding where in that center is just this idea of okay uh have fun and reproduce and then on like on the on the on the non-progressive side is still notions of wanting to own other humans or violence or kill and then on the hyper progressive side these strokes of genius these kids that and and adults that maybe two or three standard deviations up the bell curve are usually the ones that like you said are able to abstractly reason these patterns in new creative ways in solving the greatest challenges that exist and in creating the greatest art and i like that a lot yeah as long as as long as the people within two standard deviations don't drown out you know those people yes and it's very easy to drown out because us people who are wired for survival and reproduction that's the even our symbolic manipulation is such right it's easier to memorize the characters in your telenovela than it is or in your daytime soap than it is to memorize the families of quark and lepons for example yes because they have no story right yeah and that's so well said so we need to tell the story we need to tell an exciting story that makes it even more fun to know about the families of elementary particles and and beyond yeah and beyond well you know and then you know make them question it later are there really families of elementary particles is there you know like like uh donald hafman in the case against reality in this book right you know is this really what it is you know it's what we're seeing what we're seeing or is it yeah yeah um and that's curiosity right and that's curiosity i like your your point is very right that center of the of the bell curve if if the idea that i've been pushing around a lot is that the people that are in a sense two or three standard deviations up the bell curve their general um purpose in a sense also is to uh help the people that are in the um in the in the maybe one standard deviation to zero range up uh the bell curve to to help them do a pull-up in a sense to to go to the next level so basically you know like eric weinstein has the idea of the portal like the idea that you can create a portal to help people in that center part of the bell curve go through the portal through these stories and patterns that we can disseminate to them to inspire them to move up the bell curve and let's just let's just jump into because we could spend we could spend so much of our time in just that in just that section it's just the beginning um okay in general just one little yes yes one little thing uh sharrington in 1946 47 you know uh he had a he had a lecture uh royal royal uh society where he said that you know the movement of society as regards you know it's science technology culture mathematics etc in any one of those fields say physics right um it's like an amoeba uh you it throws off pseudo pods or false feet right uh you know it it goes in one direction and all you need is just a few of those geniuses pulling and pulling and pulling you know until pretty soon the entire body of society is moved forward that's right so and and and that's that's what the best that we can hope to happen yes yes uh and what we don't like happening is like several of these pseudopodia being thrown in different directions you want a strong pull towards the one so you could pull you know the the the social cultural zeitgeist forward yes yes yes you can pull the scientific zeitgeist forward yes yes anyway yes beautifully said i love this first section it was so powerful okay now this this next section is kind of the the central um ethos and thesis of what you represent and i think that um it's also what i represent you mean yeah yeah and me and me i mean this is a huge pillar of what i'm passionate about and have interviewed hundreds of people about this exact topic and so this topic is basically the idea that we are now able to take a constant stream of our biometrics and we are able to tweak where there is a imbalance in a sense Dr. Robert DeGray uses the analogy and you're going to give us some as well of the fact that like why does a jet engine on an airplane have hundreds of sensors but why do we see the doctor one time a year right yeah so these types of things and so and so and so the future and you're going to hit this back right now is just that the this is the future is this constant stream and then the ability to correct imbalances and then for us to live healthier moment to moment healthier stronger more creative and also longer and so that's this general idea and we're going to get into a bunch of the subtopics on this but yes go ahead and um and hit hit it hit it off no you you said you know you had all the the adjectives you can live healthier moment the moment etc i i just aim for one i just want to live equanimously yeah with equanimity right yes um which is the highest form of love and the highest form of love is peace and yes highest form of peace is equanimity so um and you you actually already hit on it when you know the jets have so many sensors and we used to think that the body didn't have as much of molecules that can be sensed right and when you go to an illness medicine doctor essentially you already have a flat tire right your your heart has already given out right or you already have an overheated engine you already have a fever from an infection right so as an illness medicine doctor myself i'm a trained intervention on neuro ideologists right we know how to repair stuff we we directly bring your car to the you know to the garage and we know how to do retrospectively oh this is actually it's not your carburetor you know it's this you know and so our diagnostics are are basically retrospective right so we know how to do repair right and we do repair uh our antibiotics have to work on populations we're dealing with populations all the time right of of uh of individuals because hey you know the technique for open heart surgery has to work consistently throughout the world right if you if you do it so but when you go and and and do that you're just looking at repairing your system right and then the concept of an illness medicine of prevention is disease prevention so the diabetic society will say this is how you prevent diabetes this is how and then the neurology societies this is how you prevent Alzheimer's and this is how you prevent you know and so on so forth so if someone who has hypertension and someone who has cognitive decline and someone who has cancer and someone who's diabetes you know they will follow three four different kinds of prevention guidelines and what the hell is that you know um yeah so notice I used hell all right I usually use another yeah but are you really expecting patients to do that but it turns out that um you know it you know our cars are so much better now because every 3 000 miles there comes a warning light that says okay it's time for you to bring your car to the garage and then when the temperature is rising it shows exactly you know what the temperature is and gives you a warning that you're about to hit critical level right or when your tire pressure is going down it's it gives you the level of your tire pressure and which tire right yeah initially we didn't have those kinds of diagnostics in medicine right so all we were taught in illness medicine was pathology you know was a disease you know and how to repair it pharmacology by drugs or surgery cut him up or do a combination of both right so so now but we also didn't have the access in terms of the instrumentation to see at that level but now in the last really like 100 years we got this instrumentation because of the development of science and technology right we are now able to take a look inside the cell in fact uh there's a reason why my medical school classmates hate me right because you're being dragged right back into biochemistry inside a cell whereas before you couldn't measure those metabolites or small molecules right now you could measure them before you will you will just say oh just take vitamin c and just take vitamin e now i actually resent that question being asked of me is like why don't you fucking measure it and then take it if you need it right because all of those can be measured now yes it turns out that metabolomics which is the omics that's in there clinical metabolomics which is the use of it in the clinics it's um it's already 40 years old right but it's only hitting the clinics right now but when you are dealing with health not disease you must have some objective measure of what it is that's going out of balance you know it's a playbook from illness medicine you diagnose and treat disease right so in health you detect and correct imbalances because there's no disease right and if if there's a disease underlying that you set the disease aside for the specialist and you balance the imbalance of hormones and nutrients and other metabolites that are in there right um and and uh if you place those values between the values of uh when you were 21 and 30 years old right yeah yeah interesting then you're when you're at your peak homeostatic capacity but your peak yes yes okay except for except for values like uh vitamin d for example vitamin d is actually a hormone i call it the hormone named vitamin d right but so then do we have a cat those are those are evolutionarily determined right so they're evolutionary determined values that came before us right so there is this catalog in a sense of of optimized but then alan's uh 21 year old catalog of of of biometrics for an optimized uh equanimity and equilibrium and homeostatic capacity onward is different is somewhat similar but also different than ted's so and yes yes but it falls within a range right it's usually higher your needs for certain things is usually higher right and right now i've seen for example um uh uh uh 21 22 year olds with growth hormone levels of like of that of a 70 year old you know you could see how how um how we've changed a lot um what people in the north versus south also geographically right or by the equator i mean or versus on towards the poles they and yeah yeah yeah and and also um you know it's not only that the use of plastics for example the endocrine disruptor systems right they disturb your hormone levels like for example they did a uh i think it was like uh 60 000 men in europe you know between ages 21 to 30 and they found out already drops in testosterone levels um you know which use not to be there so what we use as a range is not what you use for illness medicine right when when when clients or clients because they're not sick right or patients come back and say oh look my thyroid hormone is normal well that's just enough not to make you sick right yeah so it's like uh in when you say in nutrition the rda or the recommended dietary allowance is just enough not for you to incur the deficiency but it's not the optimal value for you yes yes okay so let's let's visualize this as well you have a really good visual that i'll um embed here but you have this you have this general idea of scale that um we can envision here where you have an idea of what's happening at this quantum biophysics level and then you have what's happening at the atomic level at the molecular level the macromolecular level organelle level cell level tissue organ organ systems and organism so you have that that increase yes and then and then what you have is you have um it's it's really it's at this intracellular level is the focus right now and at this intracellular level there are three categories pretty much there's optimal suboptimal and illness and and and you what we're talking about is basically keeping your biometrics at the optimal level so even when they start going into what are called like these preliminary phases of suboptimal levels um that we can have those interventions to return them to optimal levels and these can be measured via right it's just like you know your windshield wiper um fluid is low top it off that may be what you have low levels of alphalipoic acid you have low levels of vitamin b1 b2 or something and those are like the newer uh dashboards now that you have now it's available to us unfortunately it cannot you know those are the fundamental functions of cells so we're made of organs and underneath the organs are the specialized cells like you know your your beta cells in your in your pancreas for example the produce insulin but underneath all of these organs and all of these specialized cells there's a fundamental cell that has to run it is a nucleus it has mitochondria it has a cytoplasm you know it has a plasma reticula you know um uh you know and it has cell membranes and it has a cytoplasm and no one's taking care of that and that's fundamental right yes yes so so health optimization is basically focused on health maintenance right it's maintaining like when you're looking at your dashboard in in your car and saying oh this is low and that's low you know oh this is this is uh overheating oh i need to change oil now now we actually have the technology to do that which is through metabolomics right and i chose metabolomics for two reasons one the tests for them are ready mature meaning we could prove to illness medicine people like hey look you know remember those crab cycle intermediates that you just used to memorize here they are here are the levels and usually they call me back and they go a check also what do I do with this i said ah so anyway because it's used for health right it's it's fundamental so when you are doing health optimization you don't do one organ at a time right you do the fundamental cell in all of the body yes you gave this really good example is basically if you go and you um target the specific like pancreatic cell that is starting to have a little bit closer towards suboptimal what you do is if you and I and I want to see if you make the correction it basically does all of the downstream much better yeah now will you teach me yeah make no claims because illness medicine will will you know shoot me for that and that's the reason why functional medicine you know has a lot of fights with other illness medicine doctors right but for me it's enough to move the the values of your vitamins your your macronutrients components like your essential amino acids and so on and your your micronutrients your vitamins minerals you know and cofactors and your hormones if you move them to to the optimal levels then you see the effects without any claims right yes yes this is the system tends to correct itself yes it's like it's like in very simple terms it's like huh I've been sitting for a long time my back hurts and then you go and you swim and then you come and then right when you're out of the pool you're like oh my gosh I feel so much better so that's the intervention towards optimal at the organism um higher level now Ted yeah I want to I want to ask you this at um let's talk about this how do we take a sample from my body to gain the the intracellular metabolomic knowledge of what sugars what lipids what nucleotides yeah etc our our our amino acids are are there and what um and then where they're out of range the ideas then some are out of range and then how do you give an intervent like how do you analyze that is that through mass spec spectrometry and then um from there then how do you provide the intervention so walk us through that whole cycle um so um what you do they do is uh they take urine blood uh for me I take stool samples because I have to take check your gut microbiota right they're a separate organ they're not considered a postnatal organ in the body um which influence which is a major influence on your immune system right um and um so it's a blood urine and stool uh we send them out to a metabolomic slab um so so essentially they have all of this um uh uh you know the gold standard right now is what they call the lcmsms or the liquid chromatography mass spectrometry but it's already fat like they're quadruples and blah blah blah the newer um you know and right now it's a race to provide uh to to to get to the protocols with the least invasive sampling like for example you now know the sensor on the toilet so that yeah you don't even have to send it in or or you know google some um uh contact lenses right now you have the continuous monitoring uh over here but that's individual right that's uh for for individual use if if you're like weird like us who like to you know I puncture myself three times a week for my blood keto levels of home blood sugar even if I'm not diabetic right it's um yeah so so um so after that so the the results come in and what's nice is that they've already done enough statistical analysis to give you you know uh what is the suggested um uh amount that should be given to the client it's already there however you need to adjust right you you need to adjust things um like like for example um uh for example you see that for example the the the zinc level is very very high right for the patient so you for the client right and interseason and you ask you know have you been taking lots of of um zinc lozenges and yeah it's artificial elevated and you'll see the copper dropping right so you could see that uh the system knows you know there are counterbalances to things if you take too much zinc the copper will drop you know that's just the way you know you you will get balanced by through evolution right um and so so after that then the way so you you come to me the the reason why it's nice because this lends itself it lends itself to telemedicine right or tele telehealth practice yeah because you never have to see your client or you never have to see your patient because you cannot say hello how are you molecule you know I you know how are you feeling today you can't do that you have to look at the values you know of the molecules themselves what are the levels like yeah like you're gonna say hello b12 you know uh um what's your status today you can't uh but for for most clients uh so essentially you you take a look and you essentially do a protocol for them right which what which ones are to be taken um before meals as soon as they will wake up before they before they take a meal while they're eating especially those who who have taken too many proton pump inhibitors like nexium and so on you know where you're giving them like a beta-in hydrochloride acid to acidified your sal marks you know and and also so there's a protocol that goes on and then things that you take after a meal right and then things that you take before bedtime so because you know hormones follow a diurnal level you know there's a certain pattern to to all of these things of course if you take alphalipoic acid before meals your blood sugar will go down right and you will feel busy because it's a hypoglycemic agent uh so you you should you know that's why i i started this whole health of misogyny medicine and practice in order to be able to to teach this the clinical practice is very simple you measure the metabolites right and you know that they are in a network if you touch one metabolite or you touch one hormone the other hormone will will uh respond that's why i don't like oh you should replace your testosterone without replacing all the other things that you need to replace right it's it's a bad practice because they're all in a network and as you know my life is about networks so um and so you move the you give them i usually give them some supplements for the first 90 days because even if they say well dr ted i'm gonna uh you know i'm gonna eat properly i promise and blah blah blah and you ask them okay what foods are high in in co-enzyme q10 and they don't know okay what foods are high in alphalipoic acid they don't know right so uh for the first 90 days just to catch up with the deficiencies i i tell them look you didn't get to these deficiencies overnight this occurred over time with your habits with your lifestyle and with everything else this is what it's showing let's catch up as fast as possible so you know uh the improvement can come uh anywhere within two weeks like if you're doing hormone therapy or you know uh three to nine months if you're doing uh nutrient nutrient therapy and you you you're a measure whether or not you're actually addressing all the things like yeah yeah yeah because you you gain are you gain it even after because you're you're taking again because there's so many sensors right on this jet now that we're getting the frequent readouts of improvements now is there is there is is there like you said that you there is a there's the process of once the analysis comes back from the the metabolomics this multi-omics analysis with all this mass spectrometry and liquid chromatography and stuff like that all this complicated technologically equipment they come back and all these numbered readouts they're showing the they're they're comparing right you gave you gave this really good example you said they're they're comparing the individual to the reference population so the reference population is like thousands and thousands of people and the and the average is and then your individual is either in the red or in the you know in the on either of these two sides or in the screen and yes at that particular age at that age too age specific which is very important because for example uh and and this is an example that I give you know most most people don't know that when you get the value of a thyroid hormone they don't know what the the reference range is just there either you're hypothyroid or hyperthyroid and you're given a range right that's illness medicine range what you know they didn't know that the way that got collected initially was that was the thyroid hormone levels of uh for anywhere anywhere from three years old to 94 years old so why should I rely on that particular data collection right and how am I going to optimize if that's a range yeah that's good for illness right but it's not going to be good for optimizing health you see so you have to go to the optimal range when your body was physiologically supposed to be at its best yes yes and then now teach us teach us about this so if there's um you know let's take me 27 um we say we give my um continuous stool and urine um samples and we're getting back the this biometric metabolomic readouts um now when when we're when your consult like let's say you're consulting me as the client um right this is again this is way pre this is health optimization there's no um this is pre any um any suboptimal levels um now now let's say that um when you get the readout back and you're analyzing it and you see that there's maybe the beginnings of a suboptimal level here here now walk us through this process how do you know what supplements for for me or what um what physical interventions for me to go do what nutrition what sleep uh how do you know these yeah specific things okay yeah um um now you're you are now in the realm of lifestyle that's why the other omics are in there okay so when when I get it I I treat it exactly as illness medicine doctors would do it right it's like okay here's what you're deficient in but I will move the entire network not just one right you know that all of those for example there's the anti oxygen regeneration network right there's vitamin e and there's you know lipoic acid and so and vitamin c and so on they're they're regenerated by one another you cannot just race one of those antioxidants without racing others so you have to have a knowledge of how these things are wired together how the uh chemistry is networked by the body right to to regenerate its own antioxidants for example and you have to know which particular which particular amino acids you know would be for example you are uh you you know I I see that you you lack vitamin b6 automatically I should know that you probably are also suffering from some form of um a mild depression or just feeling the blues etc etc because vitamin b6 is responsible for is a co-factor in the generation of a serotonin neurotransmitter so there's a lot of stuff that are fundamental that you should be knowing you know uh when when you're making this uh this protocol so when you come to me I look at that as a whole right it's not piecemeal the difference that I do with illness medicine doctors is that okay I tell illness medicine doctors here it is here the results what they do is they try to just give everything you can't right because you have to know which one is networked to what and that's your value as a health optimization doctor or practitioner is that the value you provide is you know all of that right now you also know that these things are affected by nutrition your gut microbiota for example uh in as little as 72 hours you know when you're eating you travel to different country and you're eating different food your microbiota will change drastically right uh you know it will change it's the way the way it's absorbing food you know uh that it's like an ecosystem in there some of the um uh species will grow more some will grow less when you're in Italy eating too much pasta you know then your your carbohydrate loving uh uh um organisms will uh overgrow you know so these are the kinds of things now that affect right so when you're like for example I had a I had a a patient a client in fact the doctor who loved eating canned food right and even if even if thin is already banned in in the canning process you know he's old enough to accumulate you know before the banning of thin right so you could actually see the thin levels right and this is why I don't emphasize the the genome it's because the genome you cannot see mercury toxicity in the genome you cannot see cadmium toxicity interesting the farther the farther you go away from from the genome right so this is the genome the proteome and the metabolome and transcriptome genome transcript proteome metabolome yeah yes so the farther you get away from that the the more you get into the physiological and the environmental effects yes yes yes and and so now that's where the exposome comes in right the exposome is your total environmental exposure to things like uh you know to to phototoxicity the kinds of light that you use right you gave you gave these examples uh in the in the talk you used um you used as your examples you gave a electromagnetic smog today is hundreds of times greater than 130 years ago and 5g is coming around the corner people have electromagnetic hypersensitivity we distress on the living cells disturbing immune systems creating oxidative stress inhibiting tissue repair so what so that's this that's this exosome yes yeah that's the exposome so the role of a health administration doctors to identify you know what is it in your exposome uh that is beneficial or harmful to your health right because part of your expo zone is a nagging spouse yeah you know that yeah the stress increases course all yes it's it's part of and even you know uh they already show that uh you know partners who sleep together where there's uh one partner is snoring they show that for each snore you know the cortisol spikes in the partner that doesn't that's so interesting you know studies like this have already been done and they're fun right but the the thing is they do have an impact on your health absolutely uh the other thing or on the on the rupert shell drake level we could talk about it as like a morphic field in a sense um yeah in a sense and we're right there next to each other creating these exposomic uh uh interplays between one another and there's there's no getting out of it yeah yeah i had a pleasure of actually meeting and speaking with uh rupert shell drake in vancouver uh off the coast of vancouver at courtess island uh he was a guest of one of my friends and in fact my best friend in dc and uh we talked about this morphic field theory and all that stuff um but for me it's like uh you know how do we make it easy for people to remember right the they know the genes and there's a genome right and so essentially your expo zone right is is that unit that's refers to your environment your total exposure to the environment so the genome is to your genes and your expo zone is to your environment may i i can yes and i can give also a very um brief genomics is what might happen transcriptomics is what appears to be happening proteomics is what makes it happen and metabolomics is what is happening now or has happened like i like that's what's useful right i'm treating someone now i'm so yeah i need what's happening now right and uh it's very influenced by um you know i use metabolomics as uh as a way to prove it right now it's at the level of metabolome because it's what we can prove right it's what we can show objectively that here here is what's improved right and it's like i don't rely on anything subjective but usually and uh the case is like i'm feeling better right uh i i'm i'm i'm i'm uh i'm feeling better or i feel so much better or some some um husbands uh would go i'm only here because my wife told me so i mean then they would come six months later and they go dr ted you know i thought i was already feeling better but i didn't know that it was possible to feel this way so i tell them my goal actually in in getting you here is to get you addicted to the feeling of wellness so you know that when you get off balance you know what it is that uh um that you're off balance right and you you emphasize now like uh you know uh like simple lifestyle changes right uh yeah like apple you begin to explain them um mitochondria that they're the their bacteria inside your cell you know we call them organelles but they're actually a bacterial origin right they have their own dna uh you know uh there we have an average about 100 quadrillion of them in their bodies you know um our our red blood cells used to have them but um the mitochondria sacrifice themselves in order for you to have hemoglobin right so um so and they power you up right uh they power you up so you know that um you know way before this intermittent fasting blah blah blah 11 years ago i was already telling my clients that you know 12 hours of not eating anything will allow your mitochondria to divide and regenerate right it's just like it's just like having a kitchen that you give a break right you're cooking non-stop non-stop and if you keep on eating eating you know we're a shameful species we have we have a permission to eat you know 24 hours a day which is yeah so um so if you just give it a rest of 12 hours it will start regenerating the amounts of people that have successfully shed 50 pounds or more off of their body by just fasting and burning fat for extended time and it's actually really beautiful to train yourself at young ages to go on a day fast two day fast etc and feel what it's like to burn fat rather than glucose right they see for me it's like uh now you're giving them a scientific basis for doing you know uh yes intermittent fast and besides you know alan it's easier for me for example oh i'm going to change your weight no no no you can't what can you promise me that you can do they can promise me a commitment to the time that they eat so i said well you know first try a feeding window of you know 14 hours and then the next week reduce it to 12 hours and then 10 hours you know and then um yeah exactly and then have a minimum of like of like um you know uh eight hours you know that's that's your feeding window i don't like to use fasting because fasting sounds deprimatory so yeah yeah exactly right so here's your feeding window and i usually tell them they can eat whatever they want but then pretty soon they feel a lot better when they say how else can i improve my nutrition and then you introduce the concept of your microbiota you know your your gut microbiota a day away about you know uh two kilos uh in there uh so there's a thousand of bacteria that have two million genes uh two thousand genes each two million genes which is a hundred times more than we have human life so that's that's pretty impressive and the more important fact is that we now know that the gut the gut is actually the largest immune system of the body right when i was in medical school it was the bone marrow wow you know the gut because because it is the gut bacteria that's actually teaching what's foreign and not foreign right um wow so so you see this uh these uh reports right case reports where um or analysis where uh children born by cesarean section have a lot more allergies and immune problems because there's improper activation of their immune system so i have some um obj y and enterprising obj where ends who know about this so they put a gauze on on the mother's vagina and they do the they do the cesarean section and they put a gauze over the face just so that there would be an inoculation of the uh bacteria that was supposed to be there because what do we find right um and what do they find in analyzing the these children's bacteria they find the skin uh bacteria of the people who handle them first yeah how messed up it's yeah you know uh it's supposed to be there right uh so okay what yeah so this there's bio energetics with some mitochondria you know and then you could teach them about eating which is microbiota and the gut immune system yes and then you teach you know we've spoken about expo so makes their lifestyle and then you you tell them about their uh sleeping habits right um yes yes yes sleep hygiene because lack of sleep will actually cause memory problems huge pathology the main thing that it causes evolution has learned this is that the first thing that it does for any insult in the body is to get inflamed whatever it is yeah it will activate your and your nf kappa b right that's the that's the pathway that will that's a simple pathway that it will that it will do because you know it has it has the um uh the counter pathway to that to quell it as well right so um and we know that's the first thing that it does right so any any insult you see your your inflammatory cytokines are coming up these are molecules you know uh that that that uh that uh signify that your body is getting inflamed even a simple high sensitivity serractive protein test which will show you that right but your body's inflamed even if you're feeling good etc etc you see your hsrp is rising you know that there's stress there somewhere and then you look back and say oh my god you know i haven't been sleeping uh really i've been traveling for the past three days i've been in different time zones and you see your hsrp shoot up right so these are the and you think each time proper sleep hygiene and and so on and you know for um you know that you actually eat uh 200 calories more the next day when you lack sleep right because the body feels that it's under assault it needs more energy and evolutionarily if the body says you need more energy so you eat more right it's it's not it's not like having the munchies but it's you actually tend to to eat more right and then um and then uh of course uh this is this network's idea that you're talking you're so deeply networked like that yeah yeah yeah and and and it's at the cellular level right and the cells are talking to each other that's why i say we're looking at the body as an ecosystem of cells it's a hollow by on perspective right it's a hollow by on uh perspective where uh whereas in illness medicine we look as individuals as part of a population right because your your surgical technique has to work on the population or your antibiotic has to work on the population no we consider you as the population of organisms yeah yeah your your your cells are bacterially derived yes your and your somatic cell is a result of an anaerobic bacterium and your mitochondria which is an aerobic bacterium has a symbiotic relationship in the past right so so that's the um uh that's idea here it's holonically layered the human and then inside of us is all the complex but then also outside of us is the civilizational influence so yes yes and and that's why when you're looking at health it's impossible to look at you as a person you have to look at you as a hollow by on you have to look at the the human and all everything inside and everything in the civilization outside all harmoniously affecting the organism right yeah yeah exactly in part in in fact part of your exposome is the Egypt the immediate uh uh bacteria viruses et cetera around here absolutely so right now you know um coronavirus is part of our exposome yeah yeah uh yeah but so so normally uh in your own house we will have its own specific you know um environmental bacteria right it's very interesting you mentioned earlier something uh interesting which is arbitrary degrees model and I really love the guy uh and the way he thinks right uh as a biojournalologist but the model that that he has actually lends itself really well to epigenetics which is the last pillar you know we have seven pillars right of the health optimization medicine and the last pillar is epigenetics it lends itself really well because um he says like here you are at a younger period right say you're 21 to 30 or optimal range right and then at 30 your testosterone begins to decline that's why I chose 30 right because this went to the hospital because you begin to to uh have to fall apart right and what happens then is that you the chronic diseases begin to appear right uh diabetes you know metabolic diseases cognitive decline you know uh neurodegenerative diseases they all begin happening right and then afterwards it's a period of disease and then death right and he says what if we could move the cells back to before the time that the chronic diseases appear that means that the cells would be at a younger age yeah yeah and now of course you know uh you already know about the yamanaka factors right the Nobel laureate uh professor in manaka of japan identified four factors that can actually make cells younger and the most recent um the the most recent uh uh finding is that they can now actually make cells younger without erasing their identity meaning they don't forget that they're muscle cells or they don't forget that they're cells and that's just uh you know a recent advance but now we're taking a look at can we it's like the best uh metaphor that they use is actually quite ugly it's like accumulating plaque on the teeth right and it's your epigenome and and then so your genetic expression gets affected like for example if you smoke and you you have all this other uh bad habit bad habits you're you're you're um you know poorly methylated or whatever it is toxic lifestyle they have you know and and um you um so when you remove that plaque right then you could move the cells back to the young great age now can we do that the big challenges that can we do that now for the entire body right and uh so you know david sinclair you know is uh do in now doing that for the eye you know uh can we reverse the retinal uh the macular degeneration that occurs right so uh and they they found out that in in uh in their laboratory animals they can do so right in a in a closed environment so it's no longer it's not no no longer a period for us this is no longer an anti-aging period this is now a period of age reversal yeah yeah rejuvenation to youth full homeostatic capacity yes yes but you know it takes many years you know look clinical of course didn't catch didn't catch up with with uh medicine until now until you know i i'm one of the people who's pushing hey these tests are now available yeah yeah we now can have a better dashboard by which to maintain health right yeah i love the dashboard so yeah that's why i never use the term disease prevention that's also in this medicine crap right they look at populations you know that's why vaccines are within their perv here oh interesting so so basically the the dashboard maybe in the last like hundred years has been slowly getting more and more variables popping up on it and and now the idea is that there's there's like sometimes like clinical metabolomics can maybe put up a significant amount of variables that are really crystal clear and crisp and the thing is is that your role and a lot of the time people's roles are to just grab people and say hello you can add 20 more variables to your dashboard now please go do that for all of your clients as soon as possible stop waiting and my my next kind of question around around this is that would it be fair to say that then um given a synthesis of what you're talking about with clinical metabolomics and what obrida gray and all of these other um of all of these um rejuvenating to homeostatic youthful homeostatic capacity would it be fair to say that um our synthesis of all of you guys in like the 2020s and beyond is basically going to be something like a an an an an artificial general intelligence that has the entire medical corpus and all of the um the the the the reference or the the reference pop pop the reference population corpus um and that then takes in through sensors that are on my toilet and everywhere else um that are going to be taking a live stream of all of those biometrics as my individual and then cross referencing them with the reference population and then sending me um interventions to continue having reju that youthful homeostatic capacity that's um that's a utopian future right but you must remember allen that the reference range will be also dependent on your race and your geography yes right uh for example we just did a show on on population genetics when we were in china and um who fang zong was having that exact same um issue with how there was only the european data set yeah yeah that's and that's a problem also with uh interpreting the genetics the genes right now right because their references are either chinese or european or uh uh or north american right so so each country um will need to develop its own reference ranges that's so interesting wow yes every country because every country wow every country that's so interesting and even separate even tribes in those countries look they eat if you take a look you know what makes a culture well we were just talking about the philippines you were saying there's 76 dialects right yes yeah so then that means there's all of these different cultures it's subcultures in the yeah yeah and the the cuisine is regional right yeah the cuisine is regional you know there's a region that uses a lot of coconut milk there's a region you know um that uses lots of just totally spicy stuff yes you know so so um even in those you could see already very that's why in and this is what i said when you're dealing with health optimization it has to be individualized we can only do case reports for you what is being demanded of us is case work across populations say dude we don't work with populations we work with the population of of uh organisms that is you you are the ecosystem that we work with and therefore what is good for you is not necessarily what's good for the next person right we just have a fair idea of what the body does and what the body needs because it's more or less universal that you know you cannot synthesize vitamins and that's why they call vitamins because if you take them in right there are certain essential there's a certain essential uh minerals that have to be taken in right um and so on and and we know that we know that about our make and model as the human body right and one of the biggest problems that we have is that the make and model of the human body is intended for the uh paleolithic period right it's not intended for now we have created a world that is uh that where our bodies are actually unsuited for right artificial lights you know um and uh you know polluted air and uh you know not exercising you need to to to uh to walk to work in the fields and and and so on and even before agriculture we walked a lot because we were we were nomadic right so would it be better to say something along the lines of to continue our analogy that's I think really flourishing flowering right now would it would it be like that the vehicle itself is us in that sense and there is a make there's a model there's a yes there's a year or two you said the age was very important and then that the older vehicles were had that you know the dashboards only had a couple variables on the eye now they're having hundreds and we want to get that constant measurement and in that in that analogy it would be like you know if you if your vehicle is manufactured in the United States or in China or in South Africa or Germany or Kenya wherever it ends up being a a unique to that yes specific make for your vehicle and you're going to eat those specific things be exposed to those certain cultural things even your language and and all this type yeah yeah but from an evolutionary point of view now we will shift from what you just said from an evolutionary point of view right we are actually with the world that we have created is the world for teslas right gullwing if you prefer those but our bodies are make and model as human beings is a Ford Model T ah this is perfect that's our body is a Ford Ford Model T right and and the world that we have created is actually suited for a tesla yeah and and so we're a brilliant species right we can we have no we have no our Model T's have no seat belts and we're we're on we're in the insane realm of the internet uh with all the yeah and and and you know um you know uh our bodies are not intended to eat soil and for example uh yeah we're all the high fructose crops and um yes yes yeah so we we are intended for that period so what do we do so so for me it's it's really simple right now we have some technology so for example for your artificial light control your lighting system there are lighting systems out there now that can simulate you know a 12 hour you know or or sunrise and sunset and so on and so forth right if you're staying indoors um the software is on the computer like flux and stuff like that are very good yeah yeah and and then uh you could uh you know there's a reason why your supplements is because you know that that you are not going to be eating foods rich in this and that so you know what when your tests show that you need them you take them right because you're getting deficiencies in them because your body is used to take taking them in food otherwise you know in in in the olden times in in the paleolithic times right uh so a lot of our make and model is made for that time but we have created a world that is not suited for a make and model anymore so what do we do you know we respond by you know having air air filters and air cleaners at our house right making sure that our home air exchanges are adequate yeah right and making sure that are we still have the same basic needs like we need to go out to sunlight if you cannot go out to sunlight you know like me i suffer from seasonal and effective disorder because i'm a tropical boy i need really more sunlight they have darker skin right you need you need more um how your levels of vitamin d so what i do i have a vitamin d lamp that is uvb interesting and i expose myself to it so you you you essentially compensate by using technologies that are available to you or um things that we have invented right in order to compensate for it because there's no going back right i cannot bring you to a time when there was no electric bulb or no radio or no electricity you know that's not possible anymore so why not make your you know retrofit your your home to be emf shielded right um interesting so and that's the reason why you know people say they they're biohacking all sorts of things right this is a framework by which you can make you can hang all of your hacks you could look at epigenetics you know uh bio energetics uh microbiota uh got microbiota mitochondria exposomics chronobiology evolutionary medicine and you could hang all of your hacks in there in a logical way right there's a logic now you're not just saying oh it's because they're saying it's good for me or if you want to help someone as a practitioner say right um because i know that there will be less doctors interested in this and there will be more practitioners who actually will be interested in doing this is now there's a logical way where you could hang all of your hacks oh that belongs here or that belongs here yes yes you're not haphazard anymore with the way you do things with the way you help your clients right so i'm doing this because x yeah yeah this is this is super interesting on an on an economic perspective because we've we've been rolling i want to i want to hit still some um really interesting points that was our that was kind of our most heavy section um which is the thesis of of an ethos of what um you care about and what all of these great leaders in the fields of biotechnology especially care about now you sure i care about that i want to know this we can end on this um perspective on that we can end that section on this specific perspective around that which is it's very interesting how the amount of money that is sort of spent on this what like what like people like jesca zitter and other people have called like this end of life conveyor belt and palliative care um and like people just having you know dying preferences and being able to like spiritually connect on the way out or all this type of front type of stuff but also what all of the problems that we have with um heart disease and Alzheimer's and all these other cancers and all these other problems that we have um that there's so much money that we can quantify that is spent on the disease of biomarkers versus when we spend them on these medical biomarkers health biomarkers multi-omics these health biomarkers and then so what's interesting is that so there's both a significant amount of economic cost that we decrease on that downstream end but then we also spend more money on this upstream end as well so there's actually in a sense there's a continuation of great economic um flourishing so it's like you would subscribe in a sense to maybe a five dollar a month or 10 or 20 a month or whatever it is um plan where your constant stream of biometrics is being fed up into that AGI corpus um that is then let taking your individual and cross-referencing that with the publishing and providing you with with intervention and but ultimately ultimately what um you said in one of your graphics which I really liked a lot which was that um it's so simple in terms of these you know if you do think about it like you're continuing the analogy like you said the Model T itself that is now in the Tesla world um like we are that you can do basic things to very quickly ramp up your Model T to be closer to a Tesla which are basically the most ancient wisdoms are you've said um sleep well eat well hydrate well breathe well move well sun well ground well relate well love well and if you do those things you can very easily work your way into a healthier and this is the connection that I think we can talk about now it's basically the connection between enlightenment and health or awakening and health so the more in a sense that you recognize the the the what I'll do the unity of all being the unity of all existence that deep interconnectedness of all and also that source that you come from that you are that we are that and that the more that you really embody that the um the impenetrable peace and the causeless joy and you basically stay in that state and you make art from that state the healthier you are on all your health biomarkers yes um uh you you touch on something that's uh you know what's interesting is that illness medicine always demands proof right and that's because they're based on population based thinking right so when you're and there you're talking about quantity the quantity of people that have survived because see they're after survival rates right there that's that's their measure the the measure of the success of any intervention that they do is after survival rates so they're after quantity and for me I'm after quality right what's the quality uh one of the things that I learned early on um in medical informatics when I was uh uh doing you know research on on how much is the value of life and you know in dollars you know how much is one life worth and all that yeah we we do those kinds of research those are done right um you don't know that the the actuaries and all of the people that provide you with life insurance those are all computed and those are all known right but um when you when you look at all all of the stuff it's like what is the quality of your life now and the thing that I learned there is that there are outcomes that are worse than death right and we don't like to admit that there are outcomes worse than death but that is already the finding of studies what in the 1990s right uh we we know that and and you know only the most ignorant of us would of doctors would say well I have I have the I took an oh well you know that's that's just for Hollywood right so we we already have established a kind of thing so we now have to turn our focus on what's the quality of life that we're living and the quality of life that you live is actually inside you right yeah remember John Kabat-Sin said wrote a famous book right wherever you go there you are so um so what's what's that status of the the folk mode network inside your brain are you know are you too self-referential all the time um but for me it's like uh what is uh you know how do you live life with a sense of equanimity and um I was asked this question one time uh is uh biopsychiatrist he said Dr. Tide you know your health optimization medicine model with seven pillars it's just brilliant but I'll be include spirituality right in in health optimization and I said oh you know it's really very simple right um uh you know that the DMT is called the spirit molecule yeah so just give the person DMT and you solve the spiritual imbalance it's the fastest way to just obliter obliterate the ego obliterate the ego and just melt melt right into the infinite consciousness just melt right into it and then hopefully you can rebase line the big thing is to rebase line after entheogenic experience is unleashing the divine within but then can you rebase line to that level well rebase lining is actually done through practice like a meditation practice exactly or um or other practices that actually um point out to you the illusoriness of the self right I you know ego is a very heavily laden term you know that's Freudian it's your sense of self-importance but so I tend to use this self-referential system more than I use the ego but people understand the ego because it's everything from which everything is centered right but that center is an illusion right it's uh it's just created by the brain it's uh it's part of uh uh what evolved to give us a sense of continuity but it's also the source of our suffering and if you take a look at our website uh for you know transcriptions is a brand of my company called smarter not harder right and uh if you take a look at um our mission there is to decrease suffering in ourselves and to decrease suffering in others knowing that there is no other exactly beautiful so so so we come to a definition of what's suffering you know uh for me suffering is really very simple um you know in in in common parlance for me suffering is identifying with the self or you know getting lost with their thought you know you think the thought is you right like uh so there is someone that's owning the experience obsessed with layers of identity that we that we put on as as onion layers yeah and that we have ever peeled off we got to to feel the source to feel it and live from that source yeah and and for me you know I'm I have less grandiose plans uh you know uh I have a simple definition of enlightenment which is you know the cessation of suffering and which source of suffering the source of suffering is the ego which is an illusion anyway that is that clings to or is averse to certain things so it wants this doesn't want that wants this is one bad and soon all of those wants wants wants accumulate right you want more profits you want more therefore you're going to pollute the oceans more and therefore you're going to use um child labor more therefore you're going to to a traffic humans more you know all in the name of one one one right so and therefore for me that is suffering you know uh if you the clinging and a version of the ego is the root of suffering right may i also says yes yes there there's a there's a balance here and I'm curious how you align with this idea it's called like the dreamed symphony in the sense that the infinite consciousness creates the dreamed reality that is that is this and then there's the multiverse which is all of the dreamed realities this is just one observer's and there's many other observer's is happening an infinite amount of illusory affinity in a sense that is happening and so here you here here we have this this dimensionless singularity that is indivisible and it's indescribable the the the dow that can be named is not the eternal dow okay so we have that and then now we are the um the the dreamed symphony and so here's the symphony that's happening now in the symphony I'm playing the violin but you're playing the trombone and then someone else is playing the clarinet and someone else is playing the cello and we're all playing different melodies and different harmonies and people that are playing out of tune are people like you described that are suffering they're still suffering they're still in the service to self mentality and people that are playing in tune are playing in the service to other mentality everything's in service they're they've they've a clear noses of the divine that they are and what and what's going on they're very clear um seer of truth consciousness how do you resonate with that dreamed symphony analogy man that's fucking heavy I mean the one thing that I you know I you know I I told you I was just with with friends here and one thing that I usually totally inject into all of these things is levity you can never be too fucking serious about anything right yes and you know I you know my pedigree is in neuroscience and I'm still a neuroscientist and even I'm a physician you know even in in as a physician I still deal with the brain so let's bring down so for me right right now we're trying to there's a 20 million dollar price now the temple to to to uh to uh uh elicited the the mechanism of consciousness right and one is the causal model which is the integrated information theory right and one is the causal model um or the non-causal model which is the global workspace theory among others right uh you know because my interest in this is still in in consciousness and then there's of course you know philosophers you know that you know to say well maybe it's panpsychism whether or not it's inherent or emergent panpsychism you know you don't know who wins right but you know my thing is this is a fun and this is the answer to your question yes my answer your question ever since I was a kid all the way to now so my first experience with ayahuasca for example it's as if a rug was pulled from under me as a strict scientist you know just looking at the world with this you know and then you it's as if a rug is pulled out under you and suddenly that there are dimensions out there that were unavailable for you before right yes so uh and then it's easier for you to actually um realize that the self is an illusion you know and then now physics is saying that space time we're losing space time to be it's an illusion right and we we now have uh I have people saying that all what we're doing in this world is like we are just a user interface with fitness functions that's Donald Hoffman right we evolved we see an apple we see this only because that's you know that's our user interface in order to to execute our programs or survival and reproduction right and uh so uh but but for me the side guys the spirit of everything else is a fucking game yes you know you when you you best enjoy the game you know when when you um an mmo rpg massive multiplayer online role playing game yeah yeah this is what I this is what I say you know um it's very difficult to convince people unless they have done programming that what you believe in is not necessarily true right right so but the the biggest punch that I give them is that when you were okay do you believe do you believe in Santa Claus right and then you were able to shed that belief that's right other beliefs are harder to shed yeah right and when you're programming for example if you set a global variable if you set that God is true then do the following if Jesus Christ is true then do the following if if you know Gatama Buddha is true then do the following so you could see that yeah you know whatever it is it's set in there that's right it's yeah it's it's it's programmatic right it's super programmatic but but that but that's hard for us to accept right because it's easier if you take an integral view so when when you when you embrace all that is and especially all eight billion of these individual players and what they see as true as their script if you haven't that's important as their script scripts yeah but the thing is they cannot see beyond the script if we can augment their awareness beyond the script to the integral embrace of this beautiful mystery and expressing unique gifts then we are into that more harmonious world our hearts know as possible yeah that's why can I combine some molecules that can balance the default mode network in the past past not past positive network in such a way right that it is evident to you that there needs to be no owner of the experience right that there that it is there only so that it provides its continuity for you to have a story every day because that's what allowed you to survive in evolution right so it's embracing that but going beyond that right and when we notice that I tell people this that's why I tell people you know all of us should be educated after evolutionary biology evolutionary psychology we should be educated in evolutionary game theory we don't realize as much of our behavior is dictated by that you know by zero some dynamics yeah yeah why is it why is it for that game why is it successful all the time you know and so on they like but people will go huh those are very difficult concepts right we need to tell better stories which links us to the beginning when we tell better stories it's hard it's hard to tell it's hard to tell engaging stories in science right unless you engage them and when when well well we have to tell the story the big metaphysical story that is like in a sense like the harry potter of you know like that like when we can do that then we can really inspire that the winking example you know right now you know we don't distinguish when we're teaching kids we don't distinguish between you know teaching them religion versus teaching them spirituality which are two different things yeah right yeah we just shove in them and the same in these types of of religious neurosis and they end up having the same religious neurosis as when there's a very clear baby in the bathwater that we can lift up and yeah and bring up yeah and that requires and you know it requires a lot of good stories told like a lot of education yeah or or what we can do is we can say okay how can we take that what looks like a lot of education how can we compress that down Pareto efficient into a couple of you know stories that can really awaken people i think we can do that and that's pretty much what not only this project is that will be i don't know i don't even know me i'm getting yeah yeah yeah yeah but but no but this is why we are so passionate also about the space of you know what like los angeles is doing with able to put together like the best animated content as well like why is you know Pixar's like Inside Out so popular or why is like Rick and Morty so popular in that sense can we make it into you know or like SpongeBob SquarePants for like the kids like how can we tell a story that's so deeply or like Game of Thrones and Harry Potter that's so deeply interwoven with metaphysics though and that animation and storytelling that's what we're passionate about in 2021 yeah you can also do the flip side right yes tell what is that what is it my friends know that i have an allergy to stories because they have always fucked us up you know if they're just we are predisposed to stories that's why we have all of these conspiracy theories we were born to gossip and and so on um and you can also do the flip side like we can teach children to meditate earlier you have a practice earlier in a neuroscientific way right here is how you observe the contents of your consciousness right that's part of what i'm describing in terms of metaphysical stories yeah yeah yeah observing the contents of your consciousness right uh uh early right yes utilizing but the self is just another content of consciousness attention itself is another arising in consciousness so you see all of these arisings in consciousness and especially when when you teach them to kids before they develop that that hardened sense of ego ego i want this i don't want that i want to say that is they have this skill to take a look at their desires and a versions and say okay shoot will i follow this desire or will i follow will will i get rid of this because i'm averse to it a meta consciousness yeah there there is a pause that happens right before they actually act or there's that and in that pause the entire destiny of your life outcome in the world it happens that pause yeah yes because uh maybe it's you're gonna scream and yell at someone who is going to be you know the most influential figure in your life and you lose it right so so it gives you that uh you know it gives it stops you from being reactive into being responsive yeah and all it takes is being able to examine for me it's just a simple skill it's it's difficult it's a difficult skill that's why you can turn it into a mental game right uh of being able to identify your thoughts and emotions and investigation into the nature of your being and rupert spirer uses a very good modern day analogy which is the simple screen because if you think about that infinite consciousness as your being as that screen and then having all of the different cravings and aversions and scenes that come up of the a luxury multi this multiplicity and diversity of objects and people as as the as the scenes in the screen in the movie that you realize that you are that blissful eternal infinite screen that's always having these different um slices of the movie so i yeah you're right though that that first principle at the young age you know there's so many indigenous cultures around the world like the baby in their bathwater is the fact that they have what you described which is that depth of of truth that depth of interconnection that depth of unity that depth of understanding the nature of their own mind and you know buddha was one of the best uh indicators and adi shankara was another massive one ramana maharshi these they were excellent at um at that investigation so and in i mean infants are are fantastic they're great until we fuck them up right because they are evolutionarily and uh and uh biologically programmed right and then we begin the sociocultural programming with education you know uh with uh uh education with what the pair how the parents raised them with uh uh you know the the environment that they're in so they're continuously getting programmed and yes uh in fact what one of the things that i um uh interesting script being the most open and integral and understanding the nature of mind and reality at the youngest age that's yeah and and and uh also you know aside from from i said going going the opposite uh in it's teaching kids you know how to examine the contents of your consciousness and why they need to do so it's an essential skill that will not make them suffer in the future exactly right because they know that they're just arising in consciousness right and the other thing is when it's too late for you what i say is that um you know when you're 21 22 years old or whatever just go out and and try to examine all of the beliefs that were placed in there by your parents by your siblings by your teachers and everything and see if they're still working for you yes uh all the lines of code yeah yeah but those those may not be yours right yeah as i say you know you can set something in falls you could or my favorite is if you don't need the variable anymore you put the semicolon yeah archive archive some code and update that with some new lines that are more integral yeah yes and then varying that if you're still all older it's like what kind of molecules can we use in order to break through that right so you have yeah you have uh uh psilocybin you have mdma you know you have all of this things that can break through uh which is you know uh they're use therapeutically but they're also consciousness-racing molecules you know they are non-addicting consciousness-racing molecules they're not an addicting because they don't raise your dopamine at all right yeah we know the mechanism we we know the mechanism for addiction right so so there's no more reason why they say oh these are because the constitution they won't yeah the hacking your script i i i don't know of anyone who would like to take uh ayahuasca for fun right yeah we do it we do it to hack our script that's why we do it yeah although you know i hacked ayahuasca to my version of it called pharma wasca because i didn't want to vomit right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah which is the future yeah it's a no vomit ayahuasca because i yeah yeah i couldn't for the life of me just you know yeah continue vomiting but these are the these are the kinds of things that are available you know um on the flip side of telling stories is you know educating children teaching them how to to meditate and you know and making it a practice and making it a habit for younger people to examine the contents of their consciousness right for us it's difficult but if you start them young it's easy for them because it's like seeing your optic blind spot as sam harris likes to say you know once it's pointed out to you you cannot you know not remember seeing it right and then uh there's this period where there's a time we should examine what beliefs are in there and you know and then we have now this um psychedelics that allow us to investigate our mind and allow us to change our scripts and so on and for me it's as i like to say those are like bodybuilding steroids now you use them only for a while and then after that you will have to do the exercises yourself off cycle yes yes exactly and and that's how you know for for me like yes we're advancing in the world and and so on but are we alleviating the suffering of people so yes we have all of this high tech stuff and we have all of this biometrics and so on so forth but fundamentally you know uh i'm not even saying anything about happiness you know we're not wired for happiness world for survival and reproduction happiness is an inside job but for me happiness is not suffering so so if we can teach it's a it's a skill that can be learned right um observing the contents and not be identified as you said not identifying with the ego or not identifying with the self-referential system and knowing that things just arise you know these are just neural networks that fire you know um as i like to say as a neural network guy you know when you see something your your uh visual neural network fires when you hear something your auditory neural network fires you know and it is in the same space where your thoughts arise they're also just neural networks firing where your emotions arise your limbic system uh neural networks are firing they're all just neural networks firing and if you could see that that when when they fire in such a way that there's it seems that there is someone orchestrating them that's where we actually get fucked up right when they when we when we when we uh when we um begin to own that we can control these things that's why the most difficult thing in meditation right is like i want to control my thoughts no you can't you have allowed them to go right and see that they they disappear they appear in the same space of consciousness as everything else as what you see what you hear you know what you feel you know the pressure in your body the concept of you having a face and so on they're all appearing in the same consciousness space as where thought arises where emotion arises and it's a skill you know that can be taught to to be able to see the arisings of those and you could see suffering decrease and when suffering decreases then you could see creativity arises right because you are not craving for something and more right you are you are uh in equanimity as i as i i tell people i don't like extreme happiness and deep whirlpools of sadness i like you know uh gentle ways of things so so when you learn when you learn that then you you know you can gamify it if you want right we have friends that are yeah yeah yeah yeah and and uh and so you begin you begin not to take yourself seriously exactly that's the levity piece i agree i agree you begin not to take yourself seriously um if you begin to see well you know what purpose you know it's like you said whatever purpose you like you know uh and so on it's like you know we we grow up thinking that you know there's purpose and meaning and so on and so forth and you realize like no you're the one setting all of that so you set your script properly you set your script amen you set your script one more time you use that your script however you should be aware from where the script is coming from you are talking about the source exactly where this from where does the script arrive beautiful beautiful from before you could yeah yeah yeah yeah and and when there's fucked up scripts in there man because it's fucked up it's 100 percent your ability 100 percent you can like you said contemplate what is written in there and um go through the experiential practices there's all these modalities for for that that exists now yes okay that last last thing yeah go ahead don't believe in what you think right i have this thing i always say um and this would be a good end to your our podcast here yes yes don't think feel yeah don't feel be be right yeah so don't think that you are love don't feel that you're love be love be it and then we just butterfly effect that out all over i love that that's a logo of homeboat by the way yes it is yeah i know i know that's everybody you have to check out the links in the bio um i thank you very 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