 Welcome to I Have Notes, where people with surprisingly full IMDB pages talk about the creative process, the animation industry, and Cary's Ponytail. I'm your host, Isabeliola, and here with me is my co-host. Ponytail. I mean, Cary Chakras, and we've also got Erin and Jordan. Hello. We're back, baby. Hi. You can't get rid of us. We don't want to. What a nice, positive thing you just said. I'm happy with one of you and unhappy with the other, and we'll just leave it at that. Oh no. Is it the bobblehead gust that you're happy with? Oh, there it is. It was the bobblehead gust and Erin's cats the whole time. They're not in the shot. I've been trying to put new items from our shows in the background every week. The first week was like this rejected RTX poster with Nikki on it, and then it was the figurines from Camp Camp, and now it's the gust bobblehead, but I'm kind of running out of things, so. She's going to be gust. I might have to start buying stuff, I think. How many amiibos do you have? Can you put your collection behind you? Yeah, but we don't make any amiibos. It's not research-y animation-related amiibos. If you can paint them. No, I'm not doing it. Remember that weird thing where the amiibos were opening the turnstiles in the Moscow subway or something? What? Did you see that? When amiibos first came out, yeah. They would take the base with the little, I don't know, the reader part and put it up against where you would scan your subway card, your transit card, and then it would just open the turnstile. That's amazing. Was this character, like, did Mario open it, Donkey Kong, the Kremlin that comes or whatever? I don't know anything about Russia. I don't know if it was character-specific, but that would have been really funny. Finally something I can do with all of my amiibos. They finally have purpose. They're not just collecting dust on your shelves. Yeah. It's okay. Have you used any of the amiibos for animal crossing or the specific villager cards? I haven't yet. I've also... Do you have any? Yeah, I do. I'm also ashamed of it. I haven't played animal crossing in like two weeks. I just kind of fell. I know. Hey, that's okay. I haven't started. This is the fourth week in a row that I forgot to buy turnips. And I think that has been, like, the demotivating factor that I started playing Final Fantasy VII. Oh, yeah. That'll do it. The kind of... Yeah, kind of has consumed me in my soul. This is an interesting trend I'm noticing. Every new episode there's always another game that Kerry is playing. Yeah, it's almost like I can't make up my fucking mind every game all the time because I'm also still playing Final Fantasy XIV. I'm playing a little bit of Shovel Knight because I never beat it and I wanted to now. And I'm playing... Yeah, Final Fantasy VII R, there's something else I can't remember where it was now. So yeah, too many games, too little time. I should be doing better things with my life. I'm still just playing Animal Crossing. How many hours do I have? I'm going to check real quick. Oh, God. That was a question that everyone was asking today. We'd be careful. Yeah. I didn't check for sure. Let me see. Okay. How's everyone else doing? Aaron, how was your week so far? For the last week? It's been pretty good. Yeah, not work-related, but I signed at least my new apartment, so I'll be moving out of here soon. Yeah. So I'm very excited about that. Congrats. New background. New background. Hopefully there won't be boxes and stuff. I have to DM you later just so I can figure out where you live. Oh, no. I can just tell you. Yeah, also. Now or now. Not now. Not now. That's for you already, though. Can you take a blank picture of your backgrounds so we can put you on a green screen and still have you there until the really end episode? Yes. Yes, of course. 205 hours, by the way. Good job, Jordan. Oh, my God. Good job, Jordan. That's not even as much as...where's the... Breath of the Wild. Breath of the Wild only 150 hours, so. I'm somewhere in there. Animal Crossing, that was that. Wow. How's everybody else doing? Yeah, Jordan? How was Mother's Day for everyone? Oh, it was good. Yeah. Okay. Did y'all actually go to your mother's? No. Oh. My mom was very far away, so I wasn't able to. We did, like, a family FaceTime thing. That was pretty fun, so. Aw. That was nice. One funny thing was I couldn't, like, go get a card for her. So, like, I, for the first time, like, tried, like, e-cards. And I just Googled, like, you know, Mother's Day e-cards. And there were a couple services that were, like, free, but they were just kind of shitty. And Hallmark had a really good one with this, like, video that was really sweet and stuff. And it was minions. They made it seem like it was a free service. Uh-oh. So you personalize it, you get ready to send it, and then it's, like, hey, five bucks a month, you can send as many e-cards as you want. And I'm, like, I just want to send one. Yeah. So no, I don't want to do that. But turns out they have pretty lackluster coding security. So I was able to, uh, right-click, save as the video. Oh, my God. I was so ready for you to just start saying something like, I hacked into the system. And I was like, Jordan, that's illegal. Kind of sorta hacked it, I mean. But what I, then I put it in Premiere and, like, um, put the message I wanted, like, in the middle of the video. Oh, my God. So it was, like, instead of, like, a video and then the e-card message in an email, I just sent the whole video, because I just made it one with big, like, video card. So I changed 75% of it so that it's technically my IP. There you go. Create a process. Boom. Jordan, that's a great way to segue into our first sponsor, Hallmark. I was like, wait a minute. Just right-click it. That's, uh, good. Good. Look, they, they, it's because I got you. Five dollars once, if they, like, come after me. Yeah. To make amends. Cut to three years later. Jordan's in jail. Filming from the big house. The big house. Nice, nice. Uh, don't come after me, please. Oh, you'll be fine. Issa, Issa, how was, oh, hang on, wait, Jordan, can we just get you saying allegedly, please? Allegedly. Cool. Okay, we're good. Sam Ward. Uh, pretty good, pretty good. Uh, I'm trying to think of the significant things I did. I had a very good dinner. It's getting harder and harder to do that, huh? Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's something like, like, uh, something very happy or special to me happened on Saturday. Um, but it's like, it's personal, you know? So it's like, I don't want to talk about it. No worries. It's fine, but it's an anniversary. So I was really happy. Nice. Um, and then. This is a safe space to either share or know that it's okay not to share. Thanks, Karen. And that's fine. Like your ponytail. Look. You have to share your ponytail. The world is not ready for my ponytail. You can get a glimpse of it here and there, but it's, let me tell you, it's going to be glorious. I just need a couple more inches. Okay. Than saying it most of my life height. I'm talking about height. Be clear. I'm five, seven on a good day. Um, uh, I have kind of a spooky story. If I would hear my story, I'm so excited. All right. So it's Saturday. And I thought, Hey, you know what? My patio has been a mess for a long time. It has a lot of like spider webs. Let me, let me get out there. I'm a hose it down. I'm going to spray some spider poison. I'm sorry, Spidey's, but this is my house. Uh, what's my patio? It's the rest of it's yours. It's just my patio that I put back. Um, and I do that and that's like working okay. And then I have these like four plastic chairs that are stacked in the yard and they've fallen over because of the wind. And I thought, Oh, let me wash those off. So I like, I sprayed them down a little bit, stood them up, picked one up and under it is a spider like this big. Just like staring at me. I'm like six inches away from it. So obviously I do what most people would do. I scream. I immediately run 10 feet in the other direction and, uh, text my roommate to come down because I was scared. Um, cause that's like the normal thing to do. Uh, then I spent about five minutes trying to figure out how to kill it. Cause I was like, do I do like water? No, I'm not going to do that. Uh, cause I need to make sure that it's going to die. Right. I'm sorry. I'm not going to, I did spiders freak me out. I can't do it. Uh, but then I found from about two and a half Halloween's ago, uh, Austin Hardwick, his costume involved a golf club that he just left in my backyard and got like half buried. So I found that and let's just say home run. Oh my God. Home run. I did it. I killed that big boy. Uh, I did give him a proper burial. What kind of spider was it? Was it just a little spider or something? I don't know. It was a bad one. Carrie didn't have a net to catalog it. So yeah. Yeah. Don't make that shit to blathers, man. Oh God. Why am I looking at pictures of spiders now? Uh, yeah, it might have been a wolf spider. I can't tell. Yeah. I saw one of those outside my house the other day. I was taking my trash out and walked back and it was like in my driveway. I was like white birth around. Yeah. I, I tried and like let things just be, but like my patio, like it looked like it was like Halloween decorated with how many like, uh, Like spider webs and stuff around it. Yeah. So I was like, I'm just going to reset. They can come back. It's fine. Uh, That was my scary. If they dare. Cause you know what? Now that golf club propped up. Yeah. It's there. It's, it's a sign. Austin Hardwick has left you a gift. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can also use it to practice, uh, your swing. Yeah. It's a driver. It's pretty, you know, Oh boy. Yeah. Yeah. That, uh, Yeah. How far I can hit the next spider. Let's just say like over your yard into the next. Yeah. Well, because no, see this one, that's the thing though is I have this like phobia that like if I don't kill it and it gets away, I'm like, he's coming for me now. Like, Like, Like, That's how my mind works. Uh, So I was like, this thing has to die or else like, it's like, I'm going to like wake up with it on my face or something. I don't know. So I don't know. I think people probably hopefully nobody's mad at me. They killed the spider, but it scared me. I'm sorry. That's scary. That's spooky. It was spooky. It was a little spooky and kooky. It was a little spooky because I picked up the chair. I was like, man, I hope there's not a spider under this. Holy shit. It's the biggest spider I myself have ever seen in person. Oh God. Oh God. Oh no. Yeah. So that was my weekend. Oh. Anybody watch anything interesting? You still watching Tower of God, Erin? Actually, it missed last week's episode. So I'm technically one up to behind now. Yeah. I know. It's okay. I haven't watched it anymore. You should. It is quite fun. I love it. How many episodes are out so far? Uh, five or six. Okay. Okay. One of those. I think five. I'm going to say five. Someone's going to correct you. I know. Oh, is Erin even a true Fran? Oh, actually. They're going to be too busy being mad at me for killing a spider. Probably. Oh, maybe. It's okay. It's good. Yeah. That'll be the controversy. Yeah. This is the portion where we just talked about all of our controversies. People get outraged all at once. Yeah. I finally finished watching cells at work actually. Yeah. Yeah. The ending. It was one of those things where the last two episodes, it covers. Spoilers. A hemorrhage or a very bad wound. That's spooky. It was, it was so, I was so distraught and it kind of turned to my roommate. And I just like, well, I just came here. I just came here to have a good time. Yeah. So, so that's not working great. The dumps are really good too. And I've been making my roommate watch Gallivan as well. If you guys have watched that before. Oh my God. I've seen like some of that. Oh my God. That's an older show, right? Yeah. It is. It's been on in the background at my house. Let's just say that. We talked this last time, but I feel like this has been like prime rewatch time. It is. Yeah. Rewatches are good because they're very comforting and you know what you're going to get. So you can choose what suits your mood. That's true. I think I saw a thing on Reddit about that where they think they did like a study that people with high anxiety tend to prefer to rewatch shows because they know what they're in for. Yep. Yeah. That's interesting. Wanted to experience new things. And I definitely I felt that where I'm like, I don't have it in me tonight to like experience a new thing. I just want something that I know is going to be good. Huh. I feel like I don't. I don't usually rewatch stuff. I think the only thing I've watched a whole bunch over and over again is the rest of development. I think I've rewatched that show like four times through the entire series. I've watched Game of Thrones a couple of times, not all of it, but like from like season one through four to like catching people up and like watching it with them and stuff. But I always feel like I would rather not watch anything than rewatch something, which is just I could I could spend the time of me waffling, trying to find something new, just rewatching something again. Like for some reason I think it's a better use of my time to watch something new for the first time. I don't know. It's also fair. It's a weird if like time efficiency thing that really doesn't even out at all because it's like if I can't find something new to watch, I'll watch nothing. But all that time I could have just been watching something I know I like. So I don't know. There's stuff I want to rewatch like I want to rewatch Breaking Bad again and like experience that all the way through Sopranos. I have like I've watched like the first two seasons like once or twice, but I need to like start it over again because it's been a while and then I love the wire. I want to rewatch the wire all the way through again. That shows super good. All these things I need to watch. Same. The wire is a bit of my list, but I know that is actually like a very high intense kind of drama show or it has a lot of the one thing I learned about the wire was you have to watch the wire. You can't just put it on in the background if you want to actually understand what's happening. No, it's not a background show. So this is interesting concerning the wire in that like in college I took a course that was basically we watched TV and we discussed the TV show that we watched and in my semester we had watched the first seasons of Mad Men and the Sopranos and we had to like their midterm final exam was like a like write an essay on what you think the on anything about the shows like whether you want to cover like feminist theory in one of them. One of my topics for the Sopranos was how they use camera in one of the episodes where Tony like would like we see for the first time Tony Killaman and that actually writing the essay made me turn made me like completely rethink the Sopranos after that. I was just like, oh wait this this show is wild and I totally preferred watching the Sopranos season one over Mad Men after that. But one of the things that my teacher had said from that semester was that he had showed she had she had shown the wire season one for one class and my school had a lot of international students sign up for the course and they eventually told him like hey we need to actually watch this with them with subtitles because no one could understand really what everyone was saying because there was so much information. So I thought that was a really interesting topic or like kind of the whole like oh do you put subtitles on versus not and then the wire tends to be like my go-to example of maybe you should watch it with subtitles even if it's in English. That's interesting. I always waffle on like which ones I should which shows I should watch with subtitles or not like sometimes like subtitles help if people are talking funny like dairy girls like I have to watch it with subtitles because of their accents. But like I found that like watching Game of Thrones with subtitles is actually really helpful for like learning everybody's names and stuff. But watching it for the first time like an episode for the first time I kind of didn't like it because I was always like found myself reading more than watching. So it's a weird like balance thing that like I don't know I can't. It just varies. I have a kind of a similar thing is because I've been for a while now I've been like I have like a tutor and like I'm trying to learn Japanese and so when I started playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake I actually picked Japanese as the audio which means that there's subtitles for everything which is awesome because it's like I'm starting like oh I know what they said or like I'm picking up on like little things here and there but it also means that yeah I'm constantly even in battle sometimes having to like look down and read it and I'm like oh no like I'm missing out. I've never had to do that for a game before like have it be like live like that is usually if it's subtitled or if it's like text it's like in a cut scene or something. So it's been interesting. When I was watching Castlevania Season 1 for some reason like the first episode or two it's like really hard to understand them so I definitely had to turn on like subtitles for them. It's like I would hear the words but I wouldn't like comprehend them. It was just like really bizarre and I don't even think their accents are that like heavy or anything. It was really weird but by like the next few episodes it was fine I didn't need them anymore. There was something interesting about Castlevania especially the first couple of episodes because the way they do the performances is like so varied. What is the main character? Beaumont. Trevor. Trevor yes. Dracula. Nice good one. They really the actors and the actresses really go from like super quiet and they kind of stay in that range in my opinion and then it becomes like a huge action scene so it's kind of like oh man I definitely have to watch that one with subtitles I got you. Yeah. I guess I'm just getting old. I pretty much just put subtitles on anywhere that I can. Me too. Yes. It's just what I do now. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I guess I would say let's place though. It helps process like the dialogue and stuff a lot more I feel like. Yeah. But something you mentioned Disa like talking about university got me thinking about did you see all the stuff going on with SCAD? Oh God. Should we talk about this? I think that because it's talk about. No, that's a valid point. That's a valid point. Erin, you are a SCAD alum, right? Yeah, I am. Fortunately or unfortunately. Well, I don't know like if we should start off with saying like where we all went to school if we did. Oh yeah, that's a good idea. That's also a question I get a lot personally. Yeah. Do it. Only half of the screen went to school. Yeah. Me and Disa both went to art school. To be fair. These two. Yes. There's two of us with the degree. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not anti. I was going to college for a program. Which I think makes a lot more sense to get a degree for. And then I got this opportunity and said fuck that. But I'm not anti college, but I just yeah, I just went to I got some college credits in high school like everybody does now. And then I went to two different three different community colleges. Wow. Wow. College sometimes isn't for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It definitely wasn't for me. Yeah. Jordan, I didn't actually, where'd you go to school for? I was not a declared major yet. Okay. I only went for like a semester. Gotcha. And like I just found it like it just, yeah, it just wasn't for me. Like I didn't like the lack of structure like compared to high school and stuff. Yeah. Like I didn't like, I guess being held accountable or like being too independent. I don't like being an adult. Yeah. They really throw you into it. They do. Yeah. It's just like show up or don't. We don't care. Okay. But yeah, I, I don't know. I just felt like I remember having a thought in one of the classes being like, I can't believe I got to like do this for like four years before I can start doing what I want to do. And so I stopped going and just started doing what I wanted to do, which was, which was writing in and eventually like animation and stuff. And I did, I ended up doing like some like projects here and there that like helped general experience. Like it didn't like, it wasn't a huge help or anything, but like, you know, I just, I just started immersing myself in the things like I wanted to do. Yeah. It's funny. I wouldn't say this better, but it's what I did. I did almost the exact same thing about like realizing like, I'm really going to use it for four more years. But it was for a couple more months. And it was preschool. I dropped out of preschool. So that really started. I just have this very vivid memory of walking in to like my parents bedroom after like coming home from preschool one day and I'm being like, mom, I don't want to go to preschool anymore. And like we had a conversation about it and she was like, okay. And look where I am now. Drop out of pre K kids. I'm just kidding. Okay. The smart people should talk now. To be transparent. I'm pretty sure Aaron and I both have bachelors in fine arts and we also have yeah, we both have mine. Yes. I graduated with a BFA in animation and a minor with creative writing and Aaron, what did, what did you get? I majored in sequential art. So it's like comics, storyboarding, concept art, etc. And then I minored in video or concept art for video games. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Aaron, I'm sorry, Issa, where'd you go to school? I went to California College of the Arts in previously Oakland, California. If you look them up CCA, they are based in San Francisco. Yeah. Well, they just move across the bridge. What happened? They've they've been, it's been in process for the longest time. Okay. And when I was still there, our degree was actually in Oakland. So we were in the older campus. And then they had moved the new campus over to like some warehouses in San Francisco. But even then I was like, we had transport and shuttles between the two campuses. If only cause like, you know, some classes are there. A lot of the illustration showcases are there. I, okay. Here's here's a take I have with the whole art art school thing. And I will admit that I am coming at this from a person who has graduated from art school already. I have debt. I have debt from art school. My parents also have some of my debt from art school. You know, that's whatever. So there's this person who put this on their tweet. They have this thread that I know of a thread of discourse on Twitter. And the way she summarized this current one was people are mad about a for-profit private art school that is optional to attend is trying to make profit. That's definitely fair. I could maybe summarize what's happening right now. So from what I've seen, someone highlighted a passage in an email that Savannah College of Art and Design had sent out to other students. And the interpretation was that they were guilting people into not opting out for a semester. Do I read that correctly? Yeah, like a break semester. Yeah, because they sent percentages. Yeah, they're like, oh, you shouldn't consider skipping out on the semester because students who do are more likely to not finish college. So they're kind of guilt-tripping almost. They cited data that an off-year has a higher chance to lead you to not graduate or an off-semester. The data there is like a one-digit percentage. It was there. It was just one digit. But it did blow up and it started the art school discourse again about whether or not art school is going to school for art is worth it. There's a similar discourse also involving an art tool. I like this word discourse. Discourse. Yeah, the School of Visual Arts in New York is doing a similar thing where they send out an email saying semesters are going to be shorter. Like it's going to be 12 weeks instead of 15. But the passing period in between classes is like 15 minutes instead of 20. And each class is like an hour longer. But it's still like the same tuition price. So technically, I think some students figured out like, oh, we're actually getting less time with our professors or in class, but we're still paying the same amount. That's all that going around, but not as much. Yeah, because of the pandemic thing. I mean, kind of the biggest conversation that even goes outside of art school is just that, yeah, I think there's a lot of people who very understandably don't want to pay the same tuition for less online classes. And not that I mean, like I've taken on the classes. I don't think there's anything wrong with them, but they are typically cheaper for a reason. You can't be as involved, you know, or it's certainly a lot harder. And a lot of these curriculums are like not made for that in the first place. It's not just like animation or like stuff you can do on a computer. It's like a lot of it's like hands-on studio work, like you're a textile artist or a sculptor or like an architect major. Like a lot of that you can't just, you don't get the same experience doing on an online class. Yeah, you're definitely getting ripped off. Yeah, some people also just like function better and learn better in person environment. And part of the experience that you pay for for going to college is like being on campus, being around people your age, making new friends and like also networking is a big deal, like a big part of it. Like people you know and like where your peers in college go on to do things and like work in the industry and now you have a network. Like you're kind of missing out on that part of it. So it's kind of shitty to be guilted into like participating in something that is like less than the experience you want. It would have been nice if Scat had also included like stats for the other side, like it just seemed very, very biased of like trying to guilt. So if they had done that, I don't know that like this would have blown up in their face like this. Or if there's you know, if tuition was not the same price because they just say, hey, we understand. But I mean, that could also allow them to open up classes larger than normal possibly. Like they don't have to worry about fitting everybody on the campus. Which maybe then you've spread the cost, you know, like lower across the board amongst more people. You know, they're still making the same amount of money. So I don't know. It's college is just so weird in the United States. Yeah. I think when you have, especially specifically art college, it's kind of like a discourse that never ends. Yeah. Especially as the internet kind of develops too. I think, I feel like we're all in agreement that we understand that there are, there are resources out there to get you to the skill level you need in order to get the job you want in a creative field. You kind of just have to find them and gauge whether or not it's worth your time and money. Yeah. Yeah. And I think every older person you will talk to who's in the industry will always say, oh my God, the internet is a godsend. Why are you not taking advantage of this? Like there's so many new things, all these classes and stuff. But I will say from personal experience, I feel like with art school and art college, what you take from it is what you get. Yeah. I feel like that's for school in general. Yeah. I feel like. Exactly. Like if people are, or how do I put it? I feel like I put a lot of effort in my experience to put myself out there and talk to as many people as I could and that has helped me go on the career path that I have. So that gave me the skills that I needed. Just talking about it. Both Erin and Issa, do you feel like what you learned in class was worth it for like, you know, four years after the fact you're ready and prepared to enter the industry with like very small learning curve for like what it's like working in a studio and stuff. Did you feel prepared from your degree? Erin, you go first. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm, I see the argument for both sides personally. Like I had a great time at SCAD. And I know like a lot of the things I learned could have been learned online. But again, like Jordan was saying, like there's something about sitting down at a classroom with a professor and having like that one-on-one time. Like it just sticks so much better for me. And plus just like art school is such a different experience from like high school. Like this was the first time I really bonded with like-minded people and like felt like I was part of, like I had a friend group. Yeah. The nerds. Yeah, the nerds. But they were all nerds. All of us. Yeah. So like, and there was definitely like experiences where like I wouldn't have gotten out of art school. Like we had like representatives from like Blizzard or Pixar or like Target, like all these different huge companies would come to SCAD and like network with us. And I don't know how I would do that outside without like being a little shit and like emailing like whoever I could find and be like, give me job please. Yeah. That is something that they say like, or especially when you talk about art school that is something that you have to consider about the school that you're applying for is do you get those connections? Do you get those network connections? Would you say your degree was worth it, Erin? I would say so, yeah. Nice. I think it was. Like I, again, maybe I was just lucky and got like really great professors, but yeah, like that's really all. I mean in general, would you say, because I mean we were talking about kind of SCAD at the beginning of this like you were happy with your experience at SCAD. Yeah, yeah. Overall. Like there's definitely like another thing going back to the guilt tripping aspect of their email. It is the only like negative part to me is really like, it is a for-profit school obviously, but they do hold you to a really high standard of like you need to get this work done. And like I've definitely had like experiences where I'm like going to have a mental breakdown because I'm trying to get all this, like all of my assignments done on time. And I know it's not just me. Like I know tons of students like just go through the hardest times like trying to get stuff done and for them to be like, oh well if you're planning on taking this semester off, like maybe don't do it because you might not graduate. It's like, oh God. That's another thing. I don't know. It just, it doesn't, that part doesn't sit right with me. Yeah. That's a very good point. I don't blame people wanting to take time off, especially like at a time like this. Yeah. Where you're getting ripped off essentially. Right, right. That's a very good point. It's especially since we know so many people who are from SCAD who work with us in the company and we know like they've had their own experiences and this is definitely like, oh maybe you should like go out the human element for a bit here kind of a thing. Yeah. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer and especially not like a one answer for all. Like everybody's going to have a different experience. So. That's true. That's definitely true. Yeah. It really depends on who you ask and like what their experience was and what they feel like they got out of it. Yeah. I will say like the other side of it I saw on Twitter was, I think it was like somebody that worked on, oh crap, I can't remember the game now, but it was a professional on Twitter saying, hey, keep in mind a lot of these studios overseas, if you want to apply there, you might have to have like a college degree. Yeah. So that's another thing. Yeah. That's an interesting part of it. I mean, one thing I was going to say is, you know, working at a company and being part of a hiring process and looking at like candidates and stuff. Oh, God. Yes. I very rarely look at college and stuff like that. If you have a real in a portfolio, that is usually all they care about. Yeah. So that's another thing to keep in mind. So the most information that we've ever gotten, this is just in my personal experience of like finding out that somebody, where somebody went to college has just been us going like, oh, hey, they went to SCAT too. Yeah. Like that's it, you know, like it, not to devalue it, it's just, it really does come back to it's what you get out of it. Yeah. And I think that especially in this field, you're going to get a lot further if you don't just do what you do at school, but you also learn past that. Exactly. And experience, make experiences past that. So, you know, I mean, the quality of somebody's work, you know, in a real or something, like, you know, say two people both went to college and they both have degrees, like that doesn't mean they're going to be the same quality of work and stuff like they, their experience and what they got out of it is different. And therefore, you know, like if one person who didn't go to school, sent us in a resume in a real and it was really good. And one person who did have a degree, sent us a real and it was just okay. And we had to choose between them. Like, we would probably go with the person who has demonstrated that they can produce quality work. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. In conclusion, fuck school, but also fuck school. Oh, one or the other. Interesting. One of these things is not like the other and there's only two. So, I did want to segue into how I did ask the audience for some topics to talk about. Thank you. This is something. Thank you audience. This is something we want to hit very frequently. So, you know, if you guys have any notes, you guys have any questions, feel free to reach out to us. Comment on the website or the other links. And this is how you can be on the show. This is the closest you'll ever get. Hell yeah. We'll acknowledge your existence. We'll read out your name possibly. Oh, we'll definitely read out that name. We'll go with a cool backstory. If it'll be correct, I don't know, but we'll do our best. We'll do our best. So, let's roll on to this first one then. Yeah. Sunflower Power Girl asks, I have an idea for something you could talk about in the next podcast. Hey, what up? What's one of your favorite scenes you've animated? And what's something you wish you could go back and redo? Go back and redo. Well, first off, I'm not an animator. So, yeah. Aaron, what's your favorite thing you've animated? Oh, God. The amount of times either people within the company or outside of the company have referred to me as an animator, like, ugh. I know. It's just like this weird blanket term. Yeah. We're like, wait. It's tough because we're the animation department. Yeah. So then it makes it, but I guess we don't call them like live actioners. Not yet. That sounds derogatory. What's your favorite thing you've ever live-actioned? Yeah. Oh, gosh. Hey, Michael, are you a gamer? Gamer is my son. It could apply to anything we've worked on, because like... Yeah. I know. I'm just being a shithead. Chaos. I need to think about this for a second. Okay. Let's see what anybody else wants to go first. Lisa, you're an actual animator. Yes. I mean, off the bat, I could... It's just a classic, like, the identity thing with rooster teeth and camp camp. My favorite thing to animate was Max crying. Lisa likes to see little boys cry. Yeah, little boys cry. Yeah, it was two. Season two finale. Yeah. Yeah. That part where he... It's that close-up and David, the folder goes away from the screen and you see Max crying and he wipes his eye with his shoulder because he's tearing up and it's just like, oh, man. Sometimes you just look at your own work and you go, oh, I crushed it. That's a good energy to have. Thanks. I like that. This is a very small thing from back in my, like, effects and compositing time. When I was working on season 10 of Red vs. Blue, I started getting into, like, 3D effects. Like, I was teaching myself through, like, weird tutorials I found online and stuff and I made, like, a grenade explosion that I thought looked awesome and was, like, the first time. Like, everyone on the team was like, yeah, that would look great. Let's do more of those. And I was like, I did it. Yay. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm adorable. That was, like, I just... That was one of the few things I've done because I'm one of those people I hate everything I do. That's one of the few things I've been like, yeah, that would rad. Oh, yeah. Man, there are, like, ones that I definitely like and, like, I'm definitely proud of Camp Camp in general, especially, like, that season two finale I think is, like, probably one of our best episodes, like, from Chef's Kids, the entire package. Like, it was, like, so, like, we had so many ideas for it and then, like, playing around in the animation and, like, designing the new characters and stuff. Like, all of that was just so much fun. But as far as, like, going back and redoing stuff, like, there isn't anything that, like, pops up into my head, but, like, there are times where, like, we'll watch something and I'll just be like, eh, this could have been done a little differently or, like... Yeah, yeah. Or, like, you know, like, that was just, like, oh, we ran out of time. It could have been better kind of thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of that in... I feel like most artists feel that way about their own work. Yeah. Like, nothing actually is done. It's just, like, yeah. It's completed. Yeah. You have a deadline. Yeah. I definitely, like, yeah, I can't really... There's nothing that I would want to go back to and fix, like, a specific thing, like, a specific shot or, like, I, like, you know, the idea of doing, like, a remaster or, like, a reimagining or something, like, that could be interesting because it's new in a way. But I'm very much, like, like, that, you know, that looked and was the way it was because that's where I was in my career and timeline experience, and now this is going to look like this, you know? Okay. Nice. I just didn't... Dwelling too much, I think it's just, like... Yeah. Not good. Yeah. There's learning and then there's dwelling, you know? Yeah. And you can't just keep spinning the wheels of, like, production until, like, you're satisfied because you'll never be satisfied. So, like, that's why deadlines and, like, deadlines exist. And producers are there. Yes. Do you feel the same way about your work, Erin? Oh, yeah, definitely. Like, let's see, what's my... I feel like more... It's more of, like, a sentimental thing, but the thing I'm, like, most happy with or, like, that I have the fondest memories of are Crow's Scythe from the movie. Oh. Just because that was, like, like, Monty had worked on it and then I kind of took up the reins and finished it. And I hope I did it justice. I think you did. Yeah. Yeah. And as far as stuff I could redo, oh, God, like, any of the characters I've done for, like, Volume 3, I'm like, oh, no. I was, like, fresh out of college. Like, they're still, like, very near and dear to my heart because it's, like, the first assets I worked on here. But I was fresh out of college and, like, my, like, visual library wasn't, like, up to speed yet or up to par. So it's like, oh, I like them, but yeah. Yeah. I don't, oh, man, this year is actually both aired in my fifth year, five-year anniversary. It is. Oh, my goodness. So I was going to say, it's like, oh, man, yeah. I heard you've grown five years since then. Oh, thank you so much. And you have too. Oh, and you will cry. I, you know, there's the first thing that popped in my head about going back and redoing. Honestly, was episode 16 of the latest season of Camp Camp because that was the episode I directed for Campbell and Priss, the bottle episode. I was in, I was definitely in a weird place at that time because I think I was like, I saw the finish line, but I think I felt like I dropped the ball so hard by then. And I'm, I don't know, it's one of those things. I think Maggie tried to, like our, our supervised producer would try to comfort me, but I'm also like, I don't know. I just felt like I could have done better. He said it was great. Well, I remember, I remember that one being so frustrating because we always have this dumb idea that in animation of bottle episode or an episode that takes place in one location is going to be simpler when in fact they are the most complicated ones because you have to be aware of them in the space and the continuity and the blocking and we did it in X-ray in season two and I don't know why we didn't learn our lesson. Well, and sometimes you also like the ideas or the actions that are happening are then heightened because you're trying to compensate for the fact that it's in one location. Yeah. Yeah. So because like that much. Yeah. Yeah. And I, yeah, I didn't envy you working on that episode. No, I came to you with all my problems. I don't know what to do. Yeah. It's, yeah. And we like, that one was also like, it had like a longer runtime. We had to cut stuff. So like that was tricky. That, that was my biggest learning, learning episode where I was like, oh, okay. I have, I actually actively have to start writing down. No, it's like, I can't just depend on my memory. Like Jordan, you're pretty great at that. And you kind of just remember things off the top of your head. I was like, Jordan's like, what can I say? Well, also like my stuff that I have to remember isn't as complicated as like where the like positioning of the background item is in relation to where they were earlier in the episode. So I don't blame you. Like I've had to like, in the how was it a season two episode, the one with Bunkwisha and David, they were dating season. I think that was season two. But that whole scene in the restaurant, like we had to, I had to go do overheads and like block out the restaurant and how it works. And like where the camera is for each shot and stuff. And like, oh, yeah. I remember sitting next to you for that. That's something that's complicated. It was interesting too. Cause it's like, that's why this is me. I don't know enough about the 2d process, but it's like, that's what we do for like a lot of the scenes in 3d. Yeah. But that's actually, for some reason it feels easier to do that from the 3d side, but I'll bet it's actually easier. Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's, they're very different processes. It really is. I think for me, my perception of the benefit with you guys is at least you can put a camera there and then it stays there as opposed to us asking the artists to like make another angle and they have to do it from scratch. Like, oh God. Yeah. See, the thing with like 3d is like, you can build the environment and then you have, you know, the space to play with and you can put the camera wherever you want. The camera needs to be placed in 2d so much earlier in the process so that you know, so that the artist knows like, here's the background I then need to draw. I have to draw every one of each shot is a background that I have to draw. Unless we're reusing it. We can wait a lot longer in the process to finalize some of that stuff. Yeah. That's a good solution. We all have to learn SketchUp. SketchUp is actually all that hard. Yeah, that's right. The overheads thing is interesting because when we worked with Paula on No Man of Nowhere, she kind of brought that from her 3d experience doing overhead. So she provided a lot of like blocking and camera assistance for the animators in 2d when she directed, at least she directed the last two episodes of No Man and she's a director on Ruby and Ruby Chibi. So she was able to bring some handy experience. So that's why like getting other directors in there with different skill sets also helps us learn too. Cross pollination. Yeah. We're learning each other's skills and stuff. It's cool. None of this has to do with the original question though. So it's kind of a little off topic. That's a different podcast. Who are they? Don't worry about the stuff in the past. Move forward. Learn from it but then apply to the next thing. That's what I say. Good summary. Unless it's really bad, then fix it. Valid point. Valid point. CBB. An apology film. Could be better. Could be better. Any more questions? Do we have time for more? Let's do one more real quick and then we can wrap it up for today. All right. Okay. Is there an easy way to separate? I have this concept but I need to re-work it until it fits and blows all the project I'm working on. And that concept will never fit with what I'm working on. Back to the drawing board to start from scratch from Kelsey. All right. Well, this is a whole other episode. Here we go. Oh man. I think he kind of started touching upon it. There's definitely a point where you have to look at it and be like, all right. I got to just call it done because there's deadlines. We got to get this out. If you're not totally happy with it. Or like, yeah, I have, I have an idea of a really cool way. I want to do this thing. But does that fit in with our timeline and schedule and everything? Like, I have had ideas for things I've wanted to do. And like, been able to easily apply it just because like, you know, like, oh, I just learned about this cool new technique or something. I'm going to, you know, on this next thing I'm working on. Let's see if I can do it. And sometimes it works. But other times it's like, oh, this is not the production to do that in. Yeah. Also apply. So I think, I think the short answer to this question is like, your producer will let you know. Yeah. It's also like learning how to compromise with like both yourself and like directors and other artists. Compromise is the spice of making a production work. It's the secret sauce. That's a pretty good one. I like that one. I'm going to write that in cursive. I feel like they need to be like up like mounted on the wall. Oh yeah. Live, laugh, love. Yeah. I guess from like the, the, the writing side. Cause it's funny cause we're, we're working on an outline right now. And we were talking about this. Something similar happened in volume eight where I think that it's important in an early on in like the writing process to not get too hung up on idea. And to be like too married to an idea. Yeah. Like it's really easy to early in just be like, oh, that's awesome. Let's do that. And then everything else you do. Yeah. Has to work with that. But this idea is so cool. Yeah. It has to work. Yeah. Whereas like we found. Yeah. I think we found that like if you, you bring up that you like an idea. You talk about it. You also explore other things. And really what it comes down to is the better idea you'll come back to. Yeah. Like if it was really worth it in the beginning, you'll come back to it. But because you took that journey and explored it. Now you know that it really is the better idea. I wouldn't say that you should scrap ideas, but I think you should be willing to scrap them. Yeah. In order to fall in love with them again. I mean, that's a good point. You know, always keep, I'll always keep your ideas somewhere because you never know when you could actually have the opportunity to need to use that. Take, pick your favorite pocket on your pants. And that's where you put ideas and you'll be like, I'll be back for you later. And maybe you won't, but maybe you will. There's that's a quick answer. Yeah. Yeah. I've definitely like gone through, like as a character or concept artist, like I've definitely gone through characters where it's like, I love this design, like on my first try. But then just for the sake of having other options for directors, I'll start working on new ones and be like, Oh, no, this was like way better than like a poopy one I did first. So yeah. Or it'll be so obvious that it was like, Oh yeah. It was a yeah. Yeah. It was that first one. It's absolutely. You know, but it's always about the journey. Yeah. Sometimes you have to see what isn't working to know what is working. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Thanks for the short answer. Yeah. Great answer. Thanks for having us. Yeah. We'll have more questions for now or for later for now. Lighting round. No. No. Well, thanks everyone for watching and listening. If you have notes, be sure to subscribe. So you can think so you can find when the next episode is coming out. I don't have a script. I work so much better with a script. Okay. Use a script next time. First we're on Spotify. We're on iTunes. We're on YouTube. Probably some Google thing. Find us. Please share us with your friends. If you would like, if you like it. We like talking about creative stuff and we hope you do too. And yeah, keep sending us questions and we'll talk about those. Or if you have ideas for topics for like the whole episode, we can talk about that. So yeah. Be safe. Have a great week. Thanks. Bye. Bye.