 Hi everyone and welcome to tips for successful and amazing conference camp or meet-up or other gathering This is who we are my name is Jordanna fun. I'm from Suriname, South America I speak Dutch and English as you can tell from me speaking English right now so if you can go ahead and Say hi everybody and if you speak different languages, please say you do David Hi, everyone. My name is David. I'm from Switzerland. I speak English German and Spanish So if you want to talk about something feel free to come to me Mike and I love from the United States. I'm a slacker. I don't speak one language Usually well Don't come from the United States as well. I also speak redneck so I am Christine I'm from Barcelona. I speak English Spanish Brian Gilbert from Australia and I speak Australian So the one thing we all have in common is that the most important thing We feel to have a successful camp is to create create and maintain safe spaces So I'm going to leave the resources slide up here So you can always make pictures and we're going to go through them a little bit and the whole flow of this is more going to be more of a conversation on Things we consider important and things we've learned along the way So if whenever you have questions After we when we're going through some of these please feel free to ask those So the first step to creating a safe space We feel is to have a code of conduct because then you're making your rules known You're explicitly stating the things that are allowed and not allowed But more important than that we feel is code of conduct enforcement because the code of conduct is nothing if you don't enforce it so We've seen it happen a lot unfortunately that people have a code of conduct and that when people come up to them their concerns are oftentimes dismissed and This is one of the biggest mistakes you can make as a camp organizer is to minimize Someone's concerns because to use something might not be big it might not be important But since that person it is and so many others it might be so This is something that we learn more about In a code of conduct training that we are organizing and Mike can talk a little bit about that Yeah, so I want to mention the links up there are case sensitive So like the coc-ams is capital C little o so make sure that the new type of men that are case sensitive So I will say I'm kind of wearing a Jordana as well We're two of us are kind of wearing two hats right now both as Kenneth organizers And we're also exactly half of the Drupal community working group who is our mission is to help ensure a Safe community and a healthy community So one of the things that we have done and Recently in the past year or so is we we've been hearing for a while that Camp organizers including myself. I am one of the organizers of the Florida camp We wanted to have some resources to make it easy for camp organizers to provide all of the code of conduct enforcement tools Possible so with that in mind. We've actually announced and released three Majorish things over the past year related to that Those three things are number one We've there's now a code of conduct template for Drupal events that you can go if you click on this link The first link up there. Yes. Thank you. If you click on that link You brought your page with that template it has You can do a bunch of searchery plays, but we actually encourage camps to read through it and adjust it based on their camp and the local culture Item number two is what we call the code of conduct playbook Which is goes to what turn on I was talking about a second ago is okay Well, what happens if there is some type of incident? How do you handle it? So the playbook actually has some scenarios. I have some best practices and We actually worked with a lot of camp organizers To develop that and we're actually looking To find some folks to help us maintain that and to make it an additional content for Non-English speaking parts of the world need to translate it into other languages as well And then the third aspect of it, which we're I'm pretty excited about We started a few months ago. We've partnered with a company called Otter Tech And again, we realize it's very US and English centric We are trying to find non-English Speaking trainings that offer similar content. We have been unsuccessful so far But it's a half-day training For code of conduct Contacts so a lot of people have been to events and in the opening session You'll see a slide that lists the code of conduct contacts if there's an incident talk to this person well These people need to have some type of training other than you know having read the code of conduct or maybe having read our playbook So we've partnered with a company that provides specifically this type of training What we're doing is is as people graduate or complete that training. We are posting their names You know add a link off this link up here In hopes that these people will become sought after to attend more events As an event organizer, I want all of our code of conduct trainings Cops are code of conduct contacts to complete this training Because we feel that if you can demonstrate that you're taking it seriously and that it's not just a You know something you copy and paste it from somewhere else and threw it up on your camp website If you can demonstrate that you're putting time and thought and effort and care into it That by definition will create a safer and more inclusive environment and to be fair like we're CWG We are in the CWG So we deal with these kind of things often and I did the training already and I you still get stuff out of it There's still stuff we learned from it So it's something a very valuable resource for anybody even if you don't think you need and if you don't think you need it You might need it even more to be honest I'll stop talking there, but if anybody's any questions about that feel free to find me I do have to boogie right after this session, but I'll be around all day tomorrow and our Twitter handles are on here as well so So piggybacking on that the whole thing about a code of conduct and problems with your camp You're not going to know about them if people don't feel safe to come up to you and talk about them This is the whole thing about why minimizing it is such a bad thing and when about the training on realizing like how to handle it When somebody comes to you Because when somebody comes to you with a concern They're calling in right they're coming into dirt and they're coming to you to address that concern Privately don't give them a reason to publicly call you out on it Take care of it handle it take it seriously another great thing about this is Having a code of conduct and being a good enforcer of it is it creates a safe space for diversity and inclusion and a great way Of getting more speakers and a more diverse speaker is the camp organizer speaker diversity workshop You might have heard that in the keynote in the keynote initiative sleigh by Tara King This is also an amazing training and this is they're doing a train the trainers workshop so that you can teach others to give those that training and another way of Encouraging things is about Well first off you guys stop me if there's anything you kind of want to chime in with by the way So what we tend to do is learn a lot from each other And a way to learn a lot is the recording initiative So Kevin Saul is doing all of the recordings here and he's back there So you can see him there in the purple shirt He's always looking for people to learn and record learn the recording initiative and volunteer so How do you guys handle like looking for volunteers and Sure So one thing I have learned recently as someone who is in a position of privilege the white guy in America gets a lot of freebies I have learned that Putting a code of conduct in place gives other people the security to come to your event when they may have had bad Experiences at other events in the past so you may never actually have to deal with a code of conduct issue But if you're like well, we'll have one whenever we actually run into an issue You're missing out on some people that don't feel safe because there isn't that Measure of oh, this is how it happens something gets dealt with because they've already Experienced it and they've already had that problem. I've never had to experience that so I'm on the other side going Why do we need a code of conduct until something actually happens? Let's not worry about it But there are a lot of people who've had that experience in the past who are missing your event because they're like Maybe something what happened to me and I won't know how to deal with it. So yeah, it's a way of ensuring safety I have one thing. I actually want to ask Kevin a question back there Should the red light be on on the button? No, it's good. It's good. Oh This is why Kevin should want more volunteers to do the training to be able to do this in Europe a lot more as well That The recording initiative is besides Giving a lot of people access to your content that would never normally get it It's a good way of promoting your camp or conference or meet-up And speaking of promoting David you have an interesting way of promoting your camp. Would you like to talk about that a little bit? I'm sure Basically, I'm organizer of a triple mountain camp in Davos which takes place every second year and This is the last time this year. We actually sent out a survey and asking our our attendees What did they like? What could be do better? And I think that's something that you should do for every camp for every meet-up engage your community get their feedback and Don't send them like a form with 20 questions But the simple one where it gets like one two three important questions So you can improve because it's all about iteration improving and you can have an Thought but the community also has their own folks own ideas and that can help you to improve your camp or Meet up or what they whatever event it is and a lot of people actually Responded that they really like Davos the snow the mountains and they would stay they would like to stay longer So we thought about how could can we combine this together like doing Drupal? Meeting other people but also doing more stuff being enjoying Davos and For the coming triple mountain camp in 2021. We are actually now offering Different packages so you can still buy your normal camp ticket But if you want to stay let's say for one week in Davos you can order a specific Ticket that we have like four different packages published on the website Drupal mountain kept at CH sorry But for example, there's a partner she we can so you can come with your significant order and while you are doing the Drupal stuff Your partner can go to the ski or to do some hiking enjoy the Davos or whatever We are also offering a package for families because we don't want to miss out because of the children So why don't you take the children with you where we are offering them an apartment so they can They can come for people to maybe two children the parents and just enjoy Davos and the camp more and of course we do have like some work colleagues package so you will get access to a Co-working space in Davos prior to the event so you can Code during the day and have fun in the evening already before the camp And that's something that came out actually from that after getting the feedback from the community Like they said we want we would like to have this we thought about possibilities and this is the result now That's amazing. It's a nice interesting out of the box way of approaching it and all from engaging your community So this is really nice Okay, and I'm speaking about engaging your community Sustainability is a big thing for cap organizers being able to continue and doing it every year and preventing burnout so Christina do you have some? Some problems that can come off come after that is that you're just Burn out and you really need to know where you can get to you really know to know You really need to learn to say no You really need to know where your limits are and then train other people explain our people how to do all these things Teach them and then after that someone else can come up after you and take over the organization because otherwise If you are or not, you're just trying to leave or you know So that's one of the main things that just always trying to keep Having a successor or something like that or someone else that has your own So I can talk a little bit about that that's happened in Australia so I've been running the triple meet-ups in Melbourne since 2009 and For the entire time since then basically and we've tried with we've run multiple camps and we've had round table A bunch of people who wanted to get involved and we were always yes getting bold and then after that event and eventually the meet-up Participation started to decline a bit. So I cut back to having quarterly meet-ups instead of monthly meet-ups and Then eventually I stopped running meet-ups It was the only way I could get someone to step up was to create a boy and It's it's happened just recently. So, you know, sometimes just by all your efforts to try and Do succession planning you can't find someone who's going to step up and do that. You might just have to step away But as an alternative to that the Sydney community Actually flew me up to Sydney to help mediate an issue that they had where the leadership was not seen as being and The structure they did was they actually have People only run two meet-ups and then so they have like a bunch of people who are involved and you do two minutes And then someone else doesn't have to so try to not be the only person who doesn't Yeah, it's spreading out your leadership is a really good way to prevent burnout The WordPress Foundation actually enforces this. So if you want to wear on a word camp You can only be the lead volunteer or lead organizer for two years running And then you have to hand that off to someone else. So it forces you from an outset to be planning Hey, which of the people that are volunteering right now are gonna help keep this running if you really think about something that you And having it I think having an end date makes it less scary for the next person taking over Mid-camp does this that the lead organizer can do it to twice And then they have to hand it off So someone who's been organizing for a dribble camp for 12 years I don't mind I'm not burned out yet, but I can see where it could easily be a problem The thing I have done and there is one member of the Florida community here. So don't she's not being paid You put a note in there for Kevin other recording But so what I've been doing is I have slowly been The danger I think is where the lead organizer There's almost two things that can happen where the lead organizer has a bit of a like a Control issue where they feel like they have to be involved in everything or if they don't do it's not going to get done right, so you definitely have to embrace the the idea of Giving people authority with responsibility If someone's going to be in charge of t-shirts don't micromanage what they're doing Let them do their thing and stay out of their way So what I and so there's there's three main organizers of our camp and what I try and do Especially the other two organizers and for myself as well Is if I see the other two organizers are taking too much on themselves I will try to cut that off very early enough You're doing too much like if if we can't find someone else to do this thing then this thing is not going to happen So I'm very much all about just spreading out the load So that if one of the three main organizers does choose to walk away, it's not going to be catastrophic Sure, there might be some roles that need to be filled, but it's not something where Everything's on one person's shoulders, which I still I mean I tend to quite a few camps And I see a few camps that still run that way and I'm you know, I always try and talk to the organizer and say You gotta let go you gotta let go a little bit and and share the load. Otherwise You know the camp could suddenly not appear one year And so the Florida group has been doing a lot of interesting things with things with their meet-ups So we are digitally based right we know about remote things But we don't use it as much as we should probably so the meat at the Drupal If Florida is pretty a big state, it's pretty spread out. So what they've been doing is they've been doing online meet-ups so every Every month. Yeah, so basically a different In Florida, we have really tried to remain as one you know Drupal group The entire state which you can drive from you know, Pensacola to Key West and take you I think 15 hours something crazy So there's there's a big range there But we definitely have different geographic regions that make up their own smaller meet-ups So we saw the problem of where meet-up attendance was starting to decline So not all geographic regions were we're still having meet-ups or all that regularly So we decided was someone in our community stepped up and said I will organize monthly online meet-ups And we rotate it between geographic regions so But the geographic region where I am will have an in-person meet-up that will be broadcast via Google Hangout to You know basically to anyone but primarily for folks in Florida and so it gets rotated by geographic region So even if that you know say the Miami group is in the evening every month We can through this program at least get them to meet about twice a year To host a meet-up So we kind of keep them going that way So that's create the practice rounds and it creates Opportunities for people like me sir, and I'm where I don't have a meet-up group where I can just go to the Florida one online Imagine that would also alleviate the greatest issue. I had was organized in presentations So All right talk about sustainability Doug you spoke about work camp a little bit So you have gone through a lot of work camps and have done meet-ups for work press, right? Yeah, have you noticed any big differences or things you can learn from each other? Absolutely, I think one of the biggest differences that's really obvious if you surf between both communities like I do is that Drupal cons are quite the production. They're very well put together. They're very extensive Occupied most of a week and there are a lot of trainings and a lot of sessions and there's some pretty in-depth Trainings at the beginning where you can go learn Gatsby for almost an entire day or things like that And in the wordpress community Even the big cons tend to be camp like in there more sitting on a weekend And they're not the same level of production on the flip side of that Drupal camps are very Intermissed like the quality is very very different Because they're much more organic and much more local community The resources that are available are very different So I think wordpress has tried to build things from the ground up from the camp side up And they may mature into a bigger conference and I think the other things have gone the other direction in Drupal and the wordpress Foundation actually Partners with global sponsors and this is something I would totally steal from them They go and they find a bunch of hosting companies and they get the sponsorship from GoDaddy For all of the word camps that are going to be done through the entire year And so go daddy writes them a check for a hundred thousand dollars and now instead of a hundred word camps going and asking GoDaddy for a thousand dollars GoDaddy has had to write one check to one non-profit by the way that makes the accounting much easier for them And you don't have to go form a non-profit with your local camp So they've got some overhead and some structure through the foundation that makes it easier So when I go as a word camp organizer and I sign up I know I'm gonna get my $40 ticket price for people that sign up for the word camp And I also know I'm gonna get $80 from all those key sponsors I still have to go find a couple of sponsors But it's also really easy to go find sponsors when you say hey, I already have five sponsors You know they need two more It's much easier to gain those last couple of sponsors to pick that up So that's something that they do really well that I haven't seen as much in the Drupal community that would be really interesting Well, this has been an ongoing conversation for years between camp-ordinary years and the DA at different times and different levels I know it's been discussed The pros and cons of additional centralization of Drupal tax Like how much do we want the Drupal Association involved with organizing the Florida camp or Davos So I think it's tricky at best But there's a lot of smart people in the Drupal community So if you have strong feelings or an opinion or Great ideas. I think the last link up there is probably a good place to start if you're not You know if you're involved in Drupal event organizing at any level even if you're just interested in it on this Slack channel It's actually not part of the Drupal Slack. It's the own Slack instance It's for Drupal event organizers There's a lot of really interesting things happening there and a lot of opportunity to get involved and help us kind of evolve Where they are now to where we want to see them go to the next two three four or five years I want to talk a little bit to that one I ran two camps in Melbourne and we use the DA as the sort of physical backup for that and It proved problematic for us just because of currency differences and Time zones to get approvals and things like that You might find that you have a Linux Association in your country They in Australia at least they do a lot of that support for other groups that are working with open source technology So it might be an avenue worth checking out On that topic also so here in Europe It's a little bit different from the states because most of the countries or at least a lot of countries have local associations which are completely independent from the DA and On the states the DA can actually support a lot of things within the states, but of course we I'm not thinks Different. I mean not that we're different, but There are different local associations and that's usually You need more lawyers That I think I don't know if there's anybody from the DA here, but I think the DA is Trying to get out of the business of being the fiscal instrument for camps and someone can correct me if I'm wrong That's the idea I've gotten. I know that there is a A Bucks of folks from camps that believes in the Midwest so Chicago and actually Kevin can probably answer It's not a lot back in isn't there a fiscal entity that was it Mid-camp created that other cancer taking advantage of now. Yeah, Midwest open source alliance and how many triple events are A handful, right? Yeah, a few a couple right now, right? Right, okay. Yeah, so it's one of those things where there is no like one solution for fiscal For a fiscal entity for an event I guess the advice I can give for anyone who is interested in starting a new event or if you're an existing camp organizer Don't run it through your personal account or your business or your business account You know we use and we've been we've been very lucky in Florida. We have a local computer user group organization that You know, we actually We donate money to every year to help them, you know run their club In exchange for them being our fiscal entity That's kind of I know that there's a bunch of Camps of organizers around the world who have created their own fiscal entities to do the same thing I think open collective might be another potential Yeah, so I think you know, there's a lot of options out there there is no and this is very unlike the word press space Right because in the word press space It's done through there's an automatic and work. It's done through the word press foundation However, they are a lot stricter about how you can use brand marks and What you can call a word camp and what you can't and things like that, so you would lose some flexibility But they have very hot because they're a nonprofit. They have reporting requirements So they take in a hundred thousand dollars from the sponsor They have to have all these certain metrics and things like that that are required by law that are not the same When you're doing it at different scales in different countries and things like that too And this is something that we as a community we have to figure out we have to you know decide are we satisfied with Camp organizers having to do all of this fiscal entity stuff and manage all this stuff ourselves Or do we want to look to the DA to provide some of these services, but that would be in exchange for giving up some control Corporate is I guess it's I'm not sure how they do it when they transfer money between other countries there may be different Restrictions, but they support camps globally. So whatever they can do to provide that physical entity they were the funding Basically we turned in a spreadsheet for our camp like all right We spent seven hundred dollars for the after party and here's who paid that on their credit card And here's how to reimburse them and they have a back-end system in the word camp Which is another interesting feature that they offer is if you're going to post an actual word camp an official word camp You get the full infrastructure that gives you a site and all you're responsible for is the design they have the plugins the handle payment and Print out tickets and all those kinds of things already built together which when you're running Hundreds of camps a year it helps to have someone get paid just to make a plug-in that does badges Right because I'm sure if you've run a camp before you So they do some things like that that just take allow you to focus on the camp part and finding speakers and doing fun Things that as a community instead of worry about some of those logistics. So there are definitely things that could be abstracted out of there They don't necessarily have to be Is there a camp distribution that was discussed at one point? We actually created one for when we did our camps and we made it like an Unconference so at the start of the event everyone who had something to talk about stood up and did a lighting talk and Then everybody in the crowd voted for what they wanted and the distribution automatically scheduled it based on the room So it's a triple seven. It's on github It'll be if you look for reality look it'll be that so one of the biggest things is I Learned is asking for help and the triple organizer slack channel is a great place to like ask for advice and ask for help and One of the things is also volunteers Just reaching out and actually talking to people to ask them to volunteer There's a lot more than just saying hey come volunteer and come find me because a lot of people Don't necessarily Feel like they can but when you get to talking to them and explain it No, it's just doing like this kind of stuff and this one's explaining it to them Kind of makes it a little bit easier for them to say yes to you So On that note, is there anything else you guys have learned or want to discuss or if there are any questions? I'll say that the The one piece of advice I give a lot of camp organizers is if you're just starting out Keep it simple. Don't try to keep up with a neighboring camp To have a good event. You really need in my opinion three things. We need good people We need a venue and you need presenters and a safe space For But don't fall in the trap of well such and such a camp provides meals So we have to provide meals or you know, this camp provides t-shirts or this so we have to do that If you're just starting out keep it simple add Come in this is what I tell my clients as well out complex complexity as needed And as you have the staff or the volunteers to support The If you feel that Successful camp you need to do a dozen things But you don't have people to help you do all those things and you start taking that on yourself That's the fastest way to have a one-time camp Or I'm nervous breakdown. Yeah the other thing is You know, there's some events that Are on for free and I actually think that's not always a good idea for at least a starting event You should have a fee however small of what it is I think for our camps we charge five dollars But it was just something that they paid so that they had to actually turn up Yeah, it's getting the game and and the other thing was I Always did that So there yeah, there's a lot of Complexity in both of that because you're really don't know how many people it's going to come and a lot of people are just going to sing But they might not show up. Yeah. Yeah, and how do you actually plan the meal for that? So one of the Solo solutions is of course if you don't have to sponsor for the meal, we don't have you But then you have to be in somewhere where two people can get out So, yeah, definitely there are some complexities I remember I was gonna say So, I mean we mentioned burn it here But you don't always end up burnt out as the cause that you can't do this stuff Like I have had to step back because of family, you know, I still and You know, I want to be involved in the community. I've stayed at the time so on the topic of price I actually I Encourage organizers to raise the price all the time and the reason why is it would be along with that I also encourage organizers to basically Give away tickets to people who want them. Yeah, right all presenters obviously should not be taking it students should not be paying them for tickets And just have something on the website if you are in need of financial support to attend this event contact us And for our camp, it's basically yes That's the response almost any request So you kind of get the best of both worlds at that point when you do charge something So you can get reasonable numbers for things like catering and teacher production But you're not stopping anybody from attending. Yeah, because you are you're willing to To give away Clear and making that very clear on the website is a great way of attracting more diverse people and new people So the thing is how what are the what is the proportion of the revenue or the benefits of the camp that actually come from the tickets So it's usually more a sponsor thing or the expenses that you don't have like nothing More than the ticket itself Yeah, no, I agree. It's not always straightforward Absolutely, but a friend of mine ran a more industry association type event for several years And they would charge four hundred dollars a ticket But 80 or 90 percent of people who got in got him for free because The companies that sponsored it got a block of free tickets if you were a university's ticket student You got a free ticket what he was doing was framing the value of the event as this is a $400 event And so people showed up and they went even though they were getting a free ticket because man I'm getting a free ticket to this $400 bet And so it shaped it in their mind as a very valuable event Even though we really drove into it almost no they were not planning to make money off They didn't make money off the ticket sales in order to support the event They use the sponsors, but they created the value and the perception of value of the event by creating a price point That was very high while still giving away 80% of the ticket. That's interesting. It seems risky $400,000 of these sponsorships selling so you were actually you were actually the product if you were going for free But you should also Work out your budget so that the cost of ticket sales will cover the cost of the conference in case you don't get sponsors things like that Like we the first time I ran the camp we are basically called all of the local companies And it was a bit disheartening that all the small companies sponsored So that's the thing on Drupal events most of the time will target sponsors that are Companies agencies from the community not actually Companies or sponsors where we could be their targets that you were saying yeah, so that's One other thing which I did want to mention To kind of to talk to diversity inclusiveness at our local meetups I made a decision right at the start to not have alcohol as part of the meetup before I took over It was a pub meetup essentially And I knew we had people who were Muslim and things like that who don't drink so it was a way to Be respectful to the speakers because you know people are all drinking before the talks to then it gets a lot rounder And to make a sense of space for those people and we just encourage at the end You know if you want to come So I can we have we're wrapping up a little bit, but I think we have time for one question if there is a question Otherwise, thank you all very much. Thank you all for coming as well. And oh, oh, oh Another important thing. Thank you Leslie is the Drupal Association membership It's a small however much you can pay to be a member It is the association that kind of puts all of these things together and connects us all and it's a small token But it's it goes along with $15. It's from $15. It's it goes along. I'm sorry I just thought about this kind of real quick question for show hands like how many people here are current camp organizers or event organizers So what's that maybe a quarter of put your hands up again about a quarter about a quarter of the room So for the remainder of you is it safe to assume that you are aspiring event organizers, or I'm not I'm not being facetious about I'm just trying to figure out like who is listening who is aspiring If you're not one of those two groups, then I'm gonna ask you to say something Okay, okay All right, if you were in some other group find one of us I'm just really curious as to because this will help shape this conversation of future Drupal events if we know like There are a lot of initiatives happening in this section a lot of interesting things are happening But I know not all camp organizers Especially from Europe are in there So it's always it would always be helpful to kind of share those ideas and share What we've learned and the mistakes we've made so that we don't have to keep remaking them so Can I throw out there for the aspiring folks in the audience we tried four times to start a Drupal meet-up in our area and Three or four people would come and I knew there were more people that did Drupal in our area There were entire companies there. That's all they did and no one would show up And we had much more success with a PHP meet-up. So there's a couple Drupal people that come There's a couple Laravel people. There's a couple wordpress people and ours is Technical level we tend to do very geeky talks and not as soft the wordpress meet-up itself Tends to do very intro level very easy level talks. So we have attracted that technical level So sometimes you may be thinking oh, I'll start a Drupal meet-up and nobody comes Maybe broaden your base just a little bit. Sometimes we don't even talk about PHP. We talk about CSS You never know and you may have more success Spreading it out if you're having trouble developing enough of a community around something as focused see if something a little broader On that we have a lot of benefit of actually Going and presenting at Jumler and wordpress meet-ups having like panels positive benefits of yours versus ours That's a good idea. That's actually something that we will try out for the next year 2020 to collaborate more With other open-source meet-ups. So we work mostly with Drupal 8. I would say Which is easily being Can be deployed coupled so you can partner up with the local view community local react community And just attract other people who otherwise would never have talked with each other And that's what it's very that we will run to increase our meet-up at the D number Oh Yeah, all of the tech meet-ups in our area we get together and we get the recruiters to pay for the party They all want to hire us and we're happy to take their money and have a good time All right every year big part well, thank you all and Please if you have any questions, please come find us We hope to see a lot more meet-ups and camps soon Join us for contribution opportunities and take the survey. This is how we get better Thank you. Do I press the button again?