 Stream out. Hello stream. Wait. Do you guys do one of those things where you you kind of remnant like they have games and stuff at your Union where like what was the top song? No, no, you know what they're having at my reunion Well along with boomboxes Oh, I guess door prices there. No, they're having a table of the people in our in our Class who have who have gone oh gone on they passed. Oh, I thought they got into great things This is the game. We don't really know This is who is this person? Can you figure out who this person is? They're not with us any longer. Oh, man I guess there's a lot of people Yeah, it happens as you get older people in the life kind of whittles down the back so to speak I thought they were gonna disrupt that and we were all gonna get the singular it starts with these heart problems Only only people who research and write about the singularity will achieve the singularity I'm Kurzweil and I'll live forever Man, I'm not looking for all this stuff. I don't like going to the doctor my parents I don't hate doctors I don't I used to really dread going to the doctor because as a kid and There's an Asian kid the only time you really went to a doctor's when things were serious Yeah, everything else could be handled by Robotussin some, you know traditional Asian therapy or like, you know a good weekend's rest My dad was always about medicine because he was a doctor. So it's like I don't like doctors not that I don't like my Let's work on some issues here that you have Give you a spanking. He gave you shots. Oh, I have good of whiskey I have I have good stories not for now because we're gonna go a lot Some great stories about about shots and things like that and my reaction to them Yeah, by the way if you're watching the video and you're like whoa Tom looks different different camera old camera just not Outputting and between getting ready for my trip I just didn't have a lot of time to fully troubleshoot it. I spent a couple hours on it But I will add this finally proves Tom does not use a green screen That's right. Is it though or is it just a very clever green screen, right? This ruse has gone off the rails Sarah, where are you you're not in no, I'm in San Francisco. I I do a podcast project for this podcast called unfinished biz and We were we're recording some stuff this week. See you Look sure it looks like you're in a waiting room. Well, I'm actually in a really cool Like this is in the Presidio in San Francisco Which is a series of buildings that if a lot of them have been lovingly restored and it's actually a really beautiful room but There's windows over here and if I do it, you know, if I try to show you the outside Then you can't see me and then I've got the double doors closed over here So we're just kind of right against the thermostat in the corner But I'll show you Well, see that also looks like a garbage can, but it's just a bunch of soda And then got the double doors, but it's actually a really nice quiet room. So that's all I care about Well, that said is everyone ready to do the show very much. So Just Sarah, okay, that's fine. I'm good All right, I assume you would have said so if you weren't ready here we go and three two What's that you want to give back some value for the value you get on a Daily Tech news show No problem. Just had the Daily Tech news show comm slash the port This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, May 11th, 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from San Francisco this time I'm Sarah Lane Caps and six. I'm Len Peralta. He's obviously in Cleveland and also joining us today Aaron Carson staff reporter at CNET. Welcome back, Aaron. Thanks Well, you're in Kentucky, right? I am Louisville one week after Derby So we've got a little more of a North American coverage today. This is good And yes, I don't I was almost about to say congratulations on the Derby, but I always watch it every year It's fine. That's that a place congratulations on a successful Derby. Thank good job justify. All right Let's start with a few tech things you should know Oh Symantec warned Thursday that its annual report will likely be delayed due to an internal investigation Launched by its board now board members outside outside advisors and independent counsel are all looking into concerns raised by former employee A former employee rather Symantec didn't give details on the nature of the concerns Which probably makes more people even more concerned. Yeah, is it financial? Is it me too? Is it security? It'd be very interesting to find out Chairman of Sony interactive entertainment worldwide studios Sean Layton said on the official PlayStation broadcast that Sony It's not gonna have a traditional press conference at E3 this year They're gonna focus on four games death stranding ghosts of Tsushima Spider-man and the last of us part two have a few other announcements for third-party and indie titles But no hardware news from Sony this year the E3 event takes place June 11th at 6 p.m. Pacific The US Court of Appeals for the fourth circuit ruled Wednesday that forensic searches of electronics devices by border agents Without suspicion of a crime are unconstitutional. This is the first federal Apple Applet case. I always get that wrong since the Supreme Court ruled in 2014 that certain border device searches require suspicion that the individual is actually involved in criminal wrongdoing and Carnegie Mellon announced what it believes to be the first US undergraduate degree In artificial intelligence starting this autumn students admitted to the computer science program can apply to enter the AI Degree program during their second year now a lot of universities offer specialization in AI But they're part of another degree Carnegie Mellon will actually offer a bachelor of science in AI Which would be kind of interesting to hang on your wall. I guess All right, let's talk about a more much more important Issue Sarah the snapchat redesign it's a big deal Tom big deal A snapchat redesign is rolling out to IS iOS users now snaps and messages are chronological again That was one of the big grapes that people didn't like about the new design And then on the left side you've got your you've got your your snaps then on the right side stories from friends Returns right side of the app versus left side followed by subscriptions and then discover you might recall that the redesign Had everything all together and it was confusing a lot of folks No word yet on when the update will come to android, but one would assume that's pretty soon a you a gov survey That's related to this showed that user sentiment towards snapchat declined 73% in the u.s Among 18 to 34 year olds following the previous redesign That's a big drop and yes, it's it's still a certain segment of of snapshots users But going down to 18 years old is certainly, you know digging into their bread and butter a lot So if those people are upset you got to do some about it Yeah, and there's a lot of now of course as these things go on the internet like company makes unpopular move tries to fix it Fixing move criticized greatly A lot of people are saying well, you didn't fix everything There's there's still these these interstitial previews that I don't like and and this and that but Largely, I feel like this addresses the majority of the complaints It'll be interesting to see if that those survey numbers bounce back up now Yeah, I mean it's it's an interesting thing to try and find the balance between making your users happy and rolling out something that is You know functional and works, but um Yeah with with the kind of reaction we saw as probably probably a wise move Yeah, and uh android people are like great, uh, when do we get it? You know for the record, I did not hate the redesign. I didn't think it was confusing I could see that it was different But I never really understood why people were that up in arms about it But I did notice a decline in usage of my friends which caused me to stop using it as much So it is a bit of a snowball effect. Yes, kating effect Google duplex impressed a lot of people earlier this week both positively and negatively with that ability to mimic human speech patterns Remember it made a phone call that they played one to a restaurant one to a hair salon Thursday google clarified that the company is quote designing this feature with disclosure built in And will make sure the system is appropriately identified a lot of people were wondering like could this be used to spoof Would it be used for spam for robo calls, etc? Google says for them anyway, they will let people know. Hey, this is this is google duplex Though they didn't detail how they do it But they would do something to let people know now the verge said that initially at io A google rep told them that duplex would not be available in states where the law requires all parties of a conversation to be aware They are being recorded and of course you kind of have to Approximate some definition of recording to process what somebody says back to you over the phone So that'll be interesting to see if this notification suffices to allow them to act Operate in all 50 states and don't forget a lot of people are saying this this is coming to google assistant I mean yes and no they're they're going to use it in a very limited circumstance later this summer And they'll see how it goes from there Erin what did you think of all of this? It was interesting to kind of see this play out. I think what really threw a lot of people is that um Initially during the keynote they did not mention the bit about disclosure and so you know it kind of launched this question of Do I want to know if i'm talking to a robot and do I have a right to know if i'm talking to a robot? I I think I do I think I would like to know that I I think we may grow to a point where it's not necessary and people will understand like oh sometimes I might be talking to a robot But it is such a big change. I think At launch any company that does this needs to to say that Uh, I don't know if we need a law about that or not. Uh, maybe maybe not It depends on people start taking bad advantage of this if if the technology spreads Uh, but I think it's just I think it's just good practice to say hey This is this is what you're talking to And I think particularly when you have a situation situation like this where It's designed to sound so human and has verbal ticks like ohms and awes that uh Yeah, it would be it would be harder to to suss out I think that even some of the spam robocalls that I get that have Confused me, you know, there's that one woman who says oops. Sorry. I'm adjusting my headset But it's like you hear that once and you're like, oh, that's a real person and then the second time you get it You're like, oh Okay, I got you like it's very annoying and I could see it going both ways Yes, nobody wants a spam call but if I'm trying to make an appointment somewhere, but you know at a legitimate place and and I don't know the person who answers the phone is you know talking to a machine instead of me and is confused I just I find I think a lot of people find that irksome put a little disclosure off the top not a big deal A beat master in our chat room says if you're a bot you totally have to tell me kind of like cops You have to tell me if you're a cop Moving on Steam released its vr hardware survey numbers for april and oculus rift is in the lead At number one although dropping from 50.62 percent to 49.33 percent of usage the vibe rose from 44.06 percent to 45.14 percent And then in a distant third windows mixed reality dropped from 5.32 percent to 5.04 percent Yeah, and windows mixed reality headsets are the ones that are less expensive easy to set up The problem has been they took a while to integrate with with steam vr So they weren't even in this survey for a while And that integration has been choppy to say the least And I feel like oculus just leapfrogged ahead with the oculus go Which is 200 bucks for the base model easy to set up and and integrates right with its own Game store now it doesn't integrate with steam. So i'm not sure it'll show up on this yet But uh, it is definitely going to change the playing field for those less expensive headsets erin you've you've been playing around with one I have yeah, i've had one here for about a week and it's been kind of a pleasant surprise I used to cover virtual reality for tech republic And so I I checked out of it a little bit over the past couple years But like you mentioned the price point is pretty friendly and the idea that you know, you don't have to Go all in on this expensive rig The thing that i'm i'm looking forward to is Maybe one day we'll get some some haptic feedback in the in the controller, but uh, but overall yes, it's it's been a nice surprise Yeah, I i've been playing around with one myself and I was really excited to take it on the plane Until I realized there's almost nothing you can do offline even facebook's movies Aren't available without an internet connection, which I find baffling like why wouldn't facebook's own store bought movies Be stored to the device you can use plex if you have a nice plex library to bring that stuff in Uh, so it's it's not like there isn't any offline and some of the games are offline as well, but I was a little disappointed by that Researchers at uc berkeley are the latest to show a method for sending commands to voice assistants in a way that humans can't hear The berkeley method hid ultrasonic commands in songs There might be a little static that you would notice but you wouldn't actually hear words that you would understand But the amazon echo siri google assistant. They all would understand so it's a way to hijack that Uh, and and a lot of these methods use ways to turn off The notifications first so that you don't hear them answering you don't hear them acknowledging it This is not the first time last month researchers at the university of illinois demonstrated ultrasound attacks from 25 feet away So that you could actually carry out this attack at a distance And the first researchers that we heard about were from xie xiang university and princeton Teaming up on what was called the dolphin attack. Uh, that was the first of these inaudible Attacks, but it really highlights that these smart speakers are getting popular enough that Researchers at least are looking how to break into it and i'm glad it's researchers so that we can fix it But there needs to be more security on these devices Do you agree? Yeah, um, it's really interesting and um When I was reading through I was kind of, you know wondering about what some of the potential, um I guess use cases sounds terrible, right? But use cases would be you know in the future Because they were talking a little bit about how you might have to launch one of these Attacks through an open window Because it wouldn't you know penetrate through a wall or You know like you're saying from a relatively close distance So I would I would definitely be curious but like you said, it's you know It's kind of a moment for us getting to the point with these These devices that we yeah, we really do need to build on some better security And there's the stepstones towards that there are there, you know Is the ability to recognize a voice and tailor the account access and tailor the the kinds of requests That it anticipates to that But that's more of a feature of usability than a feature of security at this point There needs to be a lot more done for security. I think I mean granted most of these are in the home and so if someone is not sneaking into your home I mean let's put it this way if someone's sneaking into your home There you have way more to worry about than just your voice assistant But I guess add that to the list of things, right? That's true because again, it's one of those one of those moments for Did it cross any of our minds that this was even an option or could be a way that our speakers would get hijacked as they put it. Yeah, and I feel like we really do need to have The ability to say hey, if it's not audible to the human ear It's not a command, right? Same same as I think there ought to be a pretty easy way to tell if it's some Saying the trigger work on a podcast versus an actual person in the room, but Australia's Government acts that purchases costing more than australian $10,000 which is about $7,500 us for those who like conversions Can no longer be made with cash after the summer of next year The government says this is meant to encourage the transition to a digital society And also to help stop tax evasion after july 1st 2019 payments above $10,000 australian dollars will need to be made by check Or cart 300 million dollars will also be allocated to the black economy standing task force to enforce the new rule So this is another one of the you know in the continuing stories about moves towards cashlessness Although I have a feeling this is more about tax evasion. I think it's a nice lip service for the government to say We're trying to be digital and innovative And move towards a cashless society when in reality they they probably want to to just stop people from Lose you know from getting around the taxes. They say they think they can make something I don't know a very large amount of money in stopping tax evasion by using this system That's true because that's been a pain point of cash for a long time that the Bigger the value of the transaction and the more frequent Transactions are just you know you add that to the list of reasons why people would prefer an electronic Transaction over carrying around like laws of cash Yeah, yeah, and then we've talked about sweden finland other you know countries where they are are moving towards A cashless society, but even there there are things that people don't want to give up cash for I'm going to australia for a couple of weeks. I don't think I'll be I mean it's not in place yet But I can't imagine buying something for ten thousand dollars Although I bet my australian friends will point out that a lot of their software costs almost ten thousand dollars Versus the amount of cost in the u.s. Because sometimes they have inflated software prices over there Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to a daily tech headlines You can get it on the amazon echo the google home and in the anchor app Or just find it as the rss feed at dailytech headlines dot com Let's talk about coding last week erin But you wrote a story about forcinet about a line of toys The kids can program for a mobile app to encourage them to learn coding The toys have people that ride on small self-balancing scooters. So kind of like a mini segue. I guess basically, yeah Yeah, and kids can program the scooters to move around on their own So you you set the pathway probe like the code and it adjusts the speed and the root and all of that The scooters are called siggy the app is called sugar coated and the dolls are from a company called smart girls So tell us a little bit about About these dolls and and your experience is playing with them and who they're meant for Sure. So, you know, as you mentioned, I mean smart girls is like this line of fashion dolls that have these scooters that you can ride around And you might have caught them on a november episode of Shark tank and basically the premise is that, you know, there are all these different Efforts out there that exist right now to get everyone into tech jobs in the future And some of the folks that we want to get into tech jobs are Girls one day, you know And so the the woman that founded this company She had this experience with her daughter that her daughter had kind of lost interest in stem fields And she was trying to figure out because she works in stem herself Like how do I get her interested again? And how do I get other kids? Like her kind of plugged back in So it it works on a on a fairly Object oriented basis, right? Like you're not doing actual command line coding. You don't have to type in correct syntax It's sort of moving around predefined blocks or something Exactly. Yeah. Um, there's a a coding language called scratch that's used a lot in education and basically You know, you have these little blocks that have these little commands on them You know, how far to go how fast to go whether to turn Or not and so it's this really kind of hands-on visual way That teaches you how to break down a task that you might want to accomplish Now Roger, I know that reminded you of a toy you had as a kid as well a little more More simple in its implementation, but kind of the the same principle Yeah, so when I was a kid I wanted a rc car really bad and my dad was going through the line at What was toys are us when they were still big and he came across this toy which is called the big tracks Now the it's it's kind of like a remote control car But also like a programmable calculator because on the back if you notice there's a keypad And you could punch in up to 16 commands in the back of this thing and it would follow them So you would say move up five spaces and I think it measured a space like in a foot So five feet up and then you would put the the left and then you would say four So now it would move four over to the left and it was a really fun but also very kind of intrinsic and you know Educational way and learning how to program because it seemed very similar once I started taking logo and then Up to basic because a lot of the concepts are the same right you you set out what you want to do You put all the commands in order and then when you're ready you execute the command in this case You press the go button and it runs through it. It's a very simple device But it has such a following that people have started putting Arduino boards. They've put raspberry pies to kind of expand The programming set that you can do with this particular object Now what's what's cool about both of these is they they make it simple for for a child to grasp Like I understand now how to program and then like you said roger you have this later revelation like oh I was actually learning to program not just to program the toy Uh, and and in the example of smart girls They have Missions and storylines and companion ebooks to kind of keep it fun Not not so that the kids don't notice they're learning coding But it's not like here learn to code right in this command line. It keeps it really interesting right erin Yeah, and I think that that's one of the big underpinning ideas that you see in a lot of these coding toys is What can we do to create a spark of interest? you're not going to get one coding toy and Commit to like a career in stem at the age of eight or something But if you realize that something is for you that you can do it you're interested in it It might be a jumping off point There are so many, uh, so many games out there that take advantage of the accessories, right? Like oh, I can buy new clothing for my characters or I I can buy food for my characters And and and I kind of like that aspect of this as well Where each doll has the ability to like change out their clothes and and and create a storyline Which is a staple of of play Uh, but it's included in a way that again is almost stealth educational Yeah, and that's one of the kind of cool things There's five different dolls and they each have their own interests ones like a computer hacker And the other one's supposed to be really good at chemistry and one's into music and there's kind of enough out there that You know their intent was that You could probably find a doll Who looks kind of like you you know the the loner that they sent me had curly hair I don't know if that's a coincidence, but I was like Hello Up online like send her that one there you go Well, it's it's fascinating because a lot of these toys work on the principle that kids learn not just by Doing something and watching it do what you want, but also the tactile feedback, right? Like with with the big tracks I could see it and I could physically feel it move And so there was a an immediate reward for doing, you know the 15 20 seconds worth of work Or in this case if you spend more time with it, you know once you've learned to build Your patience and your understanding and your expectation time grows with it So if you think oh if I spend 20 minutes figuring this out and I do it this way You know, it's going to be super cool once it's done And so there's there's the immediate reward of doing something simple, but as you get more complicated programming, you know Information in it comes out with even a better response and that just kind of drives you forward Like oh, I want to go even further because what I can do is going to be super awesome Yeah, I think that that's exactly it You can't underestimate the value of that reward and and it is cool even you know I I took some coding in in grad school and whatnot. So it's not completely new to me, but If I could get my doll on her siggy to you know Complete the mission and you see the little headlights come on and it kind of executes all the turns flawlessly, that's fun. Yeah, you cut all the hot dogs in central park It's great Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and Participate in our facebook group. What kind of cool coding toys? Do you know of because there's others out there? I mean Erin mentioned in her story goldie blocks kits and storybooks that are based on engineering Codable as an app where you guide alien fuzzballs and missions. Let us know about yours facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, sarah. What's in the mailbag? We got an email from becky I missed the show yesterday and I missed all of you very much But becky actually got me caught up on at least one discussion She said the one about digital well-being justin alluded to a generational difference And how we perceive and value the permanence and flow of information on the internet I used to work as an instructional technology coach where I taught teachers how to use different types of tech Spent a lot of time using twitter as a tool Which is huge in education But a lot of the teachers from the quote life before internet generation just could not grasp it And would get visibly stressed when I would sit down and try to walk them through how twitter worked They'd say how am I supposed to keep up? I can't read all of this. I'm going to miss something important So I had to start prefacing all of my training sessions with it is impossible to read every tweet that comes through your feed You will miss things. That's okay. Everyone does. I don't think that's really helped though Because some people just don't get it as somebody who's also part of the life before internet generation I get stressed for notification overload myself I would love to see some more evidence based tools or strategies to help alleviate this And then becky says some nice things about the show one of my favorite things about the show Is that everything is looked at through a critical lens? And I love that tom in particular is always advocating for more research I definitely hope to see more research being done around this topic of digital well-being Well, thank you. Yeah, I I agree. I and I love that anecdote because I remember I don't know if it's 2008 or 2009 like coming to the realization myself that I could no longer read Everything on twitter like I just I had to change my approach to it. So yeah I mean, I remember the days where I was all Been out of shape that I couldn't see every tweet that was coming in if if I and the person were not Mutually following each other it used to be that way It was like truly a fire hose of nonsense. Yeah, right But then, you know imagining that happening today is like I mean my brain would explode and I still can't keep up on everything We sort of I remember Just sitting down and having time when I would try and make it through everything in my google reader Account and I could do that. I could yeah, I remember a box my google reader. Yeah No, exactly the same same thing like yeah rss feeds all that stuff, but we've grown up Getting accustomed to that. It's different Also, Andrew wrote in and said on thursday's episode you were talking about the fAA's cautious steps into drones And just invoiced the hope that they would create a division that is more agile and able to respond to a fast changing industry It turns out that they are As part of their ongoing modernization efforts, the fAA has already had a pilot program Trying to take a more agile approach to their work and development You can read more about it at esc.gov. We'll have the full link in the show notes as well as the fAA's website I don't know if the drone project is part of this agile move or not But only selecting a very small subset could play into that approach pick a few now See what they learn then start approving more faster It just goes to show that if you ever say why isn't somebody doing x You might want to check because they may be doing that Thanks, Andrew hive minds come to the rescue again for sure Uh, and uh, thank you Len Peralta for illustrating the show today. What do you what have you been drawing over there? Well, you know erin mentioned, uh, when she was talking about the top story that one of the reasons the Stem doll was created is because the person was trying to get their daughter interested in stem And uh, I thought well, how about this? What if the stem doll could be programmed to take out other action figures in this case? Like a wookie of you know a doll if you will of a wookie Used to be an action figure now. We call them, you know dolls, but uh, uh, so that's what this image is Is uh, representing is a young young woman who's taking out a young man's action figure and saying Yes, not much of an action figure quote-unquote Gerald Gerald for Gerald. Yeah, Gerald. It's last week. It was Nelson this week Chewbacca action figure Yeah, so uh, so yeah, this is available in my online store right now if you'd like it By the way, if you order a physical anything from my store get you uh, some munchkin ccg cards that are signed by me You just got on the real today from steve jackson games. So excellent right out there and do that Go check it out lend peralta store dot com Thanks to erin karson for being with us on this fine friday erin Let folks know where they can keep up with all the work you've been doing lately You can find me on cnet dot com or on twitter. I'm just at erin karson Go follow erin. 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Did you pick did you pick some yet? Uh, no, I did not pick anything Um, my should I tell you or do you want to try? Let me say uh No, no, let me see. I'm what is the most punny one in here Uh Millennials are killing snapchat That can't be tom's favorite Eight four are oh the eight four are eight 13 meaning four No Let me try Let me roger was a kid No, and by the way me saying no doesn't mean I don't like the title that you're saying I'm just saying Oh, I like this game Ha ha Saman hack That's funny. I didn't see that one. I'm looking for something super punny Uh This call me a bot or not. No, that's a good one though Food bar Oh like are you hot or not? I forgot about that Yeah, somebody sent me a t-shirt once that said bot or not on it I never figured out who it was, but thank you for that. Oh, is that what you like? No, that wasn't it I thought when I fired up show bot, it would be very obvious, but I don't know which one you like either time How about uh I don't know You're probably gonna be I probably built it up too much now. You're gonna be disappointed Let's talk about coding Okay, you're more impressed than that The show about the dolls that code Let's talk about coding Let's talk about code talk about a link you want to click on It used to it's uh, it's a spin-on. Let's talk about coding I'm Tom This is all about coding Cotic coding Scratch your coding itch coding Rubber got it. Scratch your coding itch. I mean, we've only just ran through all 17 of them Scratch your coding itch scratch your coding itch because the programming language is scratch Erin got it You get you get a do you get what what do we give away as prices? Uh Wish us for the weekend. Yes I can live with that. I can live with that because otherwise I would have held that I'll get away Tom wins a safe trip across the sea. I hope so Yes Hey, uh guys, I have my next interview Okay, don't be Um, hey, uh, you know, I'm gonna call I'm gonna we'll we'll talk a little bit. Hey. Yeah. No. Yeah. I'm not leaving right away. So, okay. Okay. Cool. Bye everybody Yeah, thanks for having me All right, you know, hey, uh, Tom. I'm not Tom not Tom because you won't be here either Uh, I won't be here on the 25th And I got a hard out on the 18th. So yes I promise people in the show that you would be filled you would be here for them, Len I I I am here for them in spirit. I'm always there. I'm always reading the slack Even though I don't see anything. Yeah You and rich Truffalino are in the slack more than people who are on the show sometimes No, I just it just happens to show up on my phone. So I just end up reading it. I never You know, so Well, I apologize then. No, it's great. I love it. I just I love that there's action going on behind the scenes Yeah, man news Yeah, news. All right. I gotta go. All right, man. See you later. Have a safe trip Thank you. I will Go get some bushmeat. Enjoy the bushmeat It's not what you think it is. It's meat from Thank you, Roger. All right. See you. Bye Uh, you're gonna have so much fun pat or Tom, uh, tom patrick. I don't know. I was gonna call you patrick I'll take that as a compliment It's a good name. Yeah, and I but I either whether you meet beija or norton either one Or someone else named patrick. It's all good. It's all good. Yeah, uh, W. Scott is one just asked me How long I'm gonna be gone? I guess I guess I didn't say it. I sort of figured By talking about the meetups that would imply but it's two weeks. I'll be gone for two weeks Except that he's going ahead one day And then you'll be staying you'll be extending a day when you come back to like 48 hours Yeah, I I arrive shortly after leaving Even though there's a 16 hour flight That's always fun. That's always them. I know isn't that weird. Yeah That'll be cool. I would love to go to australian at some point It's it's great. The only thing I really hated about it is the flight because I just don't like long Like there's a point where it's like, hey, I'm done. Can I get off now? Yeah Because I always wake up in the middle of it. Like I remember I was like, oh, you know, I'll sleep for six hours You know, it'll be great. I woke up and it's like, wait a minute. There's another there's another five hours of this flight Are we not here yet? You know, my my doctor gave me melatonin Which is over the counter. It's not a prescription thing But she she swears by it because she she travels for conferences and stuff Overseas a lot and she's like take it like an hour after your flight starts It'll help you sleep on the plane and then once you get to where you're going Take it at 9 p.m local time For the first couple of nights you're there and it it's it's it's a Replicant of the the natural Hormone that helps you fall asleep. So the idea is it kind of nudges your body towards sleep Yeah, I have some friends that um the use that had one in particular who had in college a lot of trouble Like falling asleep and whatnot and she used to take that Um, did it work? I think so. Yeah. Gee. I mean she took it for quite a long time. Um But I can sleep anywhere I can just like yeah, I can sleep anywhere like say if you slept on the plane Do you wake up and say I had a restful sleep? Hmm. Good question Hmm. I mean never like Well, I don't know. I think it depends because I've definitely had a few like short flights Like from here to Chicago where I will fall asleep and wake up when we're landing. Um, I think it just depends that the the one thing that messes me up is I When I used to fly to san francisco a lot and then I would take like these Crazy early flights. So I would I would get there, you know, like 11 in the morning And those were the ones That were really difficult to fall asleep Like decently, you know, like you're just kind of in that in between Weird late period where the vampires and the werewolves come out. Yes That's the kind of sleep I get on planes that's sort of like, you know, my catch my head falling kind of You're not really like was I asleep? I didn't even realize it Like I guess they consider restful sleep is if you sleep and you're dreaming like you get full REM sleep Because I've been I have a habit of dozing off right before a plane takes off Because one I I have a I'm not sure if it's psychosomatic But I just assume everyone's sucking the oxygen out of the plane cabin. That's psychosomatic good But I literally doze off and I wake up like 20 minutes after takeoff And then I sit there and I'm kind of looking around and stuff But like every time I sleep I never dream On a plane. It's just like my eyes go out and I wake up huh I feel like I don't dream much like, you know, just In general day to day. Yeah on a day to day basis or at least I can never remember It's like very infrequent And I'm like, oh, yeah, like I did the other night have a weird dream that I was I was in high school Uh-huh that I was I was like back in high school And I was late And I wasn't even worried about it. That's how I know I've like I've matured or something else It was like 11 o'clock and I was like, I don't care. I'm supposed to be there That's so cool. You had the I've grown up dream like I had the Dream because we have a fish tank because my wife we went to this crappy carnival the carnival of county city regional fair We want a little goldfish and we spent a lot of money on the fish tank and all the accessories they go with it It's a 33 said fish She's spending like a hundred 200 bucks on this crap But I remember I had a dream about that fish And I was like, oh and I guess we need a bigger tank And I got a bigger tank like a really big tank like, you know He woke up in the bathtub. Well, no, and then I started adding other fish in there and then like a Octopus and a squid, but they came out and attacked me and I was like real Like I was just like man this 33 said fish has caused me a lot of money And I got rid of everything and I ended up back with the original tank. Hunter doesn't have dreams. He has short films I see that's my anxiety right there. That's what triggers my anger Well, and you were talking about that fish for about a solid week. Yes. Yeah, it's a 33 said fish It's just the whole thing is part of a scam to get people to upgrade to very expensive Aquarium setups. Let's just be out. Let's be clear A scam has a legal definition. Roger. I don't think you meant to use the word scam there. All right. It's uh, it's, uh It's a pyramid scheme. It's um, what do you call it? It's a you could say scheme. It's a scheme Or an effort It's a cartel conspiracy Big aquarium between the pet smarts and the fish dealers of the world and it's a collaboration Hey, buddy, I'll give you free goldfish for your prizes. You just direct it to my pet store whether they're done Oh At least it sounds like an interesting dream though. I I have had dreams where I was answering email And that's the whole shooting man Man, I don't even have draft copies of any of those All my work I lost all my dreams have weird sci-fi Bents to them they either take place in space involve aliens I one time dreamt and I kid you not and I still remember this because it was in high school and thought it was a weird story I dreamt that I made it into an alternate universe Where princess diana ruled everything she was like literally the queen of the universe Wow, and I was trying to escape her clutches Because she had like a she she had she had a huge crush on me that I just didn't want to be around her Oh, didn't she and I was trying to escape it was all all my dreams is Stand with me. Diana. Don't catch me It was weird. I'm just telling you it was weird But all my dreams all end with me in a chase sequence. I'm either being chased by the police aliens Uh creatures from the beyond squid octopus my parents Just wow being chased Oh and the dog people but I told tom about yeah, that's one of my favorites I had I had a dream where humanity I have a favorite roger dream I mean, how could you not? It was it was a weird dream, but it was basically humanity was pretty much replaced by bipedal canines But you couldn't tell they were Dog people until you're really close from a distance. They just looked like people but jaco Um, uh, Tom and Eileen's late pet dog Was actually the head of a large media conglomerate and I was interviewing with her for a job. I love it Right, it's great. I want to just see minor like my dreams can be so mundane or or they're like vaguely apocalyptic But but I have a lot of like That Apocalyptic is not mundane. It's quite a scale You know, so I have I have dreams where I'm like, oh, I have to get to this place And so the whole dream is like navigating somewhere You know like oh, I need to I need to get over to like my best friend's house So I'm in my car and I'm just like trying to get there You know, and like this is not exciting. This is not What are your apocalyptic dreams though? I I'm trying to remember like uh one recent one was something about like an alien invasion or something um, or a lot of them will be Post whatever big event happened and it's like kind of survival, you know um But there was one where I was like with a group of people And we were in like one of those candy stores in the mall that has all the big like tubes of candy on the world You know, and we were stocking up I guess Uh against the apocalypse. Yeah, because you need like pop rocks and Sour straws like that's that's the key not a lot of people know that Yeah, that's not that's one you won't find in most of the survival manuals. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh I want to show you this little, um gif that, uh bio cow shared In the chat room because I mentioned the bipedal dogpedal. Oh, wow Is that a poodle? Oh my god, this is from a commercial where this okay I think it's a Japanese commercial where this dog Person comes out like it's a dog But like it does part of a thing where it gets up and starts talking to you that's a man in a suit That's a dog. Well. Yeah, it's a Tom Tom Tom. Have you no imagination? No The whimsicalness of a child All right, well, thanks everybody for watching. Thanks again Aaron for hanging out with us so much fun. Absolutely Thanks for having me and uh Oh, I was probably gonna say the same thing you were uh, sarah and roger will be taking care of you for the next couple weeks I feel like I'm handing over a table at a restaurant. You know, I'm leaving. I'm cashing out But sarah and roger will be taking her at that time. We'll have a show with a special australian round table Monday The 21st. Yeah, I'll be recording it on the 22nd, but most of you will get it on the 21st because that's how it's Exactly so so yeah that monday will be a little weird There won't be a normal dts in your feed at the normal time But there will be an australian round table later that monday and then on tuesday It's back to the normal uh normal show and then i'll be back on the show on may 28th Awesome and uh, thank you all for see your support. We'll see you next week. Bye. Bye