 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind, Motherfucker Pog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For the first 40 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. We start off by talking about Thrive Market and how when you save money shopping on Thrive Market, they actually will let you donate some of your savings to help other people. Save money and be a good person. Makes you feel good. Now, they are the largest online retailer of non-GMO organic food products. They also have skincare products, hairspray, deodorant, and other things that contribute to a healthy lifestyle. We are sponsored by them. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump, we got you hooked up. You're gonna get one month free membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. We also talked a little bit more about our Viori event and how we were serving beer, wine, and brew doctor, kombucha. Boom. And to our delight and shock, the most popular drink there was the brew doctor, kombucha. We had like none left. Everybody loved it. Everybody was drinking that the most. Now, brew doctor, we're kind of working with them. They are 100% raw, organic, non-GMO, gluten-free, vegan. Of course, kombucha is a probiotic. Best. Less sugar than competitors. That's right. You can find them at Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, New Seasons, Kroger Sprout. So if you drink kombucha, this is the one that we recommend. We talked about how I opted for Jersey Shore over Billions and Westworld. Keto Guido. Shout out. We talked about actions versus behaviors. Google Assistant, that was creepy. We talked about Cobra Kai. Justin's learning some karate moves. I love it. New favorite show. We talked about Seattle's new stupid head tax and how Amazon is going to stop making more jobs there, if they don't change that. We talked about how Venezuelan money is worth less than World of Warcraft money. That was great. Sad statistic. And how Apple profited more in the first quarter of this year than Amazon has in their entire existence. They have so much cash. Imagine getting your ass kicked that bad out of profits. Pretty crazy. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, this person is feeling pain in their shoulder when doing overhead dumbbell extensions. Now, we talked about some correctional exercises he could do. We also mentioned Prime and Prime Pro, which you can find at mindpumpmedia.com. The next question was, in terms of getting lean, what's better, CrossFit or Orange Theory? Or neither. C, none of the above. That's right. So we talked about which one we think is better in that part of this episode. And finally, the last question, how do we recommend people should measure their body fat? And what do we think is an ideal healthy body fat percentage for a woman who just wants to be fit, not a competitor? What's that body fat percentage look like? Also, this month, get the Intuitive Nutrition Guide and the Fasting Guide for absolutely free, free, no money at all, $0. Free, free, free. If you enroll in any maps bundle. Now bundles are where we combine two or more maps programs and discount them at a massive rate. For example, we have something called the Super Bundle, which is a year of exercise programming all planned out. In other words, you enroll in the Super Bundle, your entire year is set up for you. You know exactly what to do every single week, what exercises, reps, sets, there's videos of us demonstrating how to do the exercises correctly. It's the blueprint to success. Remember, all these programs were put together by super smart, experienced and handsome personal trainers. Definitely. I'm talking about us. Again, enroll in any bundle, get the Intuitive Guide and the Fasting Guide for free. You can find all of this at mindpumpmedia.com. Did you guys notice when you check out at Thrive Market that they let you donate a percentage of your savings? Cause they'll show you at the end how much you've saved by shopping with them or whatever. Then you can donate some of that to charity. Am I an asshole for saying that I didn't even know that? Yeah. How fucking cool is that? I didn't know that. How funny is it that we have bad sponsors? We have bad sponsors that we continue to learn things that you say, dude, did you know you could separate all the foods and shop this way? They put their money where their mouth is. They're really dedicated to helping these causes and stuff like that. They donate that membership. Every time you buy a membership, they'll donate one to a family that is low income so they can have organic food. Last night when we were in the jacuzzi and you went to bed, we were talking with Taylor, just about the brands that we're partnering with. And we really want to move out of the traditional same old, same old health and fitness brands that everyone's talking about. But Thrive and Organify are really the exception to that rule. And Thrive, a lot of that is just, they really are on brand for us. I mean, they're aside from being health and fitness, but just the cause, the space, they're disrupting what they're doing. They're like humanitarians. They're like really considering progress in society, not just like a place for people to buy shit. So let's do something good and impact the world. So yeah, I love companies that are thinking that big. I think you guys have been able to turn on your family members to Thrive and Organify. Oh, everybody, yeah, I know. Anybody that was a client of mine, anybody that's a family, family friend, like everybody, the reason why everyone uses it is because it's better. Dude, the prices are hella expensive. It's better for you and the prices are competitive with you're kind of an asshole if you don't use them. If you don't at least try. It's like, oh, I don't want to help people. I don't want to save money. So the most resistance that I get from anybody that hasn't tried it yet is just simply going through the process of first trying to, you know, it's like we get in this rhythm of how we do things all the time. Like, oh, on Friday nights, I go grocery shopping at Safeway every single Friday night. And so disrupting that and like meaning, oh, I gotta get on my phone or get on my computer to upload it or search on Thrive and then go from there. And then once you do it one time. It's super easy. What'd you do at one time? You realize how easy it is that five minutes. It takes a giant leap, you know, it's a big barrier. Isn't it crazy though? We are as humans though that that's that's true though. Like it's like it's so we found out the forum, you know, like just having people having to log in was like a huge barrier when we tried to go off. Creatures of habit, you know. Oh yeah, I protect, you know, people in the tech industry know that they know that if they have to give you an extra step, even if it's just to click another link, they're going to lose like 40% of their customers or engagement crazy just for you though. But I mean it's how we're lazy as americans. I gotta push. I'm done. I gotta go to the three screens. Know what it is is your your expectations. Yeah, like start to quickly change. There was a comedian that talked about which I think is good and bad right. I think it's cool. It pushes the market. Well, it shows what's going on, right? It shows what you know that our expectations are changing, but there was a comedian that did this bit about how being on a plane and how the Wi-Fi didn't work and how someone on the plane was like a fucking piece of shit playing and he's like yeah you're on a fucking tube flying through the sky at six hundred miles an hour. It's basically a magic cart in the sky. Yeah, and I find myself like that too. Like we were on the plane when we were coming here and my Wi-Fi started getting spotty and I was getting real irritated and I'm like wait a minute like four or five years ago it would have been a fucking miracle to have Wi-Fi in an airplane and now I'm getting pissed off that you know although I take me five extra seconds to log on. I didn't get annoyed by that silly. I actually paid for it and mine didn't come through on this. At all? Yeah, well that's it, yeah. Did that happen you guys? Not the whole time. This trip had happened to me. Were you trying to look at board? I didn't have my headphones, not this trip. I was going to say. Typically we were sitting next to an old lady. I was in the middle. That's the best time. I said bitch on the way over here. That's the best time. You ever feel this actually happened to me the other day? You ever on your phone doing something and you know the person next to you? Just watching. Yeah, that happened with Justin actually. Yeah. I was waiting for dinner and I'm scrolling through. I'm scrolling through Instagram or whatever answering questions and shit answering questions and I feel like is this guy looking at me so I stopped scrolling and I kind of just shook the screen a little bit like me back and forth and he starts laughing because you got me bro. I was totally over your shoulder dude. I needed entertainment. My phone was about to die. I was just like sitting there. I'm like, I'm gonna see what sounds looking at. It's kind of weird. So I'll do that to my kids because my son will do that to me where I'll be like answering a question on the forum or something like that and he'll be sitting next to me and he's always and I get mad at him because I'm like, you know, that's someone's privacy. Like don't look over someone's shoulder will look and see what they're doing on the phone, but he constantly does it. So what I'll do now is if I'm sending a text and I feel like he's watching me, I'll change the text and say some shit to him. Yeah. So like I'll answer your question like when you guys I'll be like, all right, so tomorrow we'll meet at 9 a.m. The medical farted and he smells really bad. He was like, hey, oh, you got me. He was like, oh, I'm gonna start laughing or some shit. That's good. You know what I'm trying to fix is because we were all business partners first and then have become, I think, closer friends that when we go out socially, we still default to business mode. And so a couple times I've caught us like all right next to each other and we're all like on our phones in like a social environment where we're like at a restaurant or some of that. And I'm like, oh my God, this has to look so bad from somebody else. You got five guys all next to each other. Everybody's got their phone out looking down and it's like, oh my God, we're and I get it because we are working. So it's kind of we're on a business trip. We've got all kinds of stuff to do. Like we're right now. We're fucking we're not dating. You know what I mean? Like I can answer some forum questions. But I really though, right? I know that's how we are all right. We're just all the perception of us. Right exactly. But the person they don't people don't know. They don't think we're we're five friends that are showing up to a restaurant to eat together. You know what it becomes obvious to me typing it in. Yeah, you know what happened? You know what's when it becomes obvious is when at the end, Taylor will have a bunch of pictures from the trip and I'll look at the pictures. And we're all like half of them. Someone's like, you know, just on their phone or all of us are on our phone like, oh shit, man, that's why at dinner, there's a couple times or either I'll say it or even when you guys will say it, but we'll take our phones back. All right, no phones. Yeah, yeah. And let's just see what happens. It's actually better. Yeah, I think it's better. It is better. I mean, giving us a little bit of a break though. Like I said, we we are this is a this is a business trip for us. I mean, there the sense we've been here. There's stuff for us to be working on. I mean, I feel behind right now. There's things that we need to be getting done for when we get back on Monday and we got another event next week. And so, you know, nobody's on there. I don't feel like the five of us are sitting at the dinner table and people are fucking looking at booty shots on Instagram. Like everybody's in their emails, or when we first started, we really had to check each other. When we first started, there was sales in the weeds. You know, you guys joke like that and they just get me in trouble because I'll throw my stuff on the bus. Because it sounds so much worse. Caught me a few dude. Did I over here Taylor correctly when I came downstairs? I guess when we did our event, I tuned him out most of the time. That's me too. You know what I mean? That's all I want to be clear on. I have to deal with that guy. Yeah, it's just it's the one ear out the other. It's the sultry monotone voice that gets it's on that. But no, I was going to say when I came down, I overheard him at the event. We were giving away free beer, free wine, and then free. It was a doctor. Brute doctor. Brute doctor. Sorry. Brute doctor. Sorry to everybody. I should have said that. I should have told that. I keep fucking this up. Brute doctor. You can't even do a commercial right. No, no, no. But listen, did I overhear him right? That that was the most popular drink? Yeah, it was. Oh, it's really good. So good. So people were not. People would rather drink that than the beer and the wine. Yeah. Well, shine pump fans. What do you want? Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Well, if we were giving out weed, I'm sure they would have all taken that instead. Shout out to them, though, for, you know, put sponsoring the event and hooking everybody up. I mean, everybody had unlimited drinks at this place. So you could be drinking beer, wine, or kombucha. Kombucha was the most popular drink. So shout out to them for supporting us and doing that. I know they're going to be supporting us out in Tahoe again. And I'm not sure about when we get up to a mirror. I think we have something else going on in a mirror. But for, you know, this company's been really cool. And I know Taylor's been talking back and forth with them. And they definitely see the value in podcasting. They love the brand and what we're doing. Yeah, they're talking about getting another tap, right? At the studio, potentially with them would be amazing. Brew Doctor's got to be the best. That's got to be the best one. I think I've had so far. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, it's the effect it has on my gut. Here's the thing with kombucha. I don't know if you guys have noticed it. It has some of the lowest sugar comparison. Some of these things are loaded full. That's the, that's part of it part. And the other part is, I don't know if you guys have noticed this with you guys are not as sensitive as I am. But when I drink kombucha, although lately, glad you admitted that, although lately, we've been passing the microbiome around a little. I think that's what's happening very true. I don't know what you guys do in the middle of the night. So that's on you guys. We do stuff to you. Oh, no, it's it's it's really good on my gut. Some kombucha's tend to bother me like some of them all drink and feel like they didn't really help or whatever. Brute the dark brew doctor has to be one of the better ones. Yeah, I keep forgetting the major. If we had the studio, we'd have you know what it is because you said you said doctor kombucha. I don't know. You know, like his doctor is on the label. So I can see the label. You know what I'm saying? I can see the label in my head. There's a doctor. It's back to Dr. Pepper. Really? Yes. Yes. That's why the Dr. Pepper, Dr. Kombucha, brew doctor. Brew doctor. Brew doctor. Yeah, he's the brew doctor. They're like, sorry, this is the last time where I do advertising with you guys. Since you can't get our name right and you tend to plug other kombucha's while you're talking about us. Hey, so you guys, you guys, you guys don't watch Jersey Shore, huh? The reunion? I only saw the first episode. I saw the one where Snooki lost her ring or whatever. That was like the only one I saw. Can't wait to see it though. I do want to say something though because it's in my queue and I just haven't been around to it because as far as the list of priorities is, it's not the top five shows I want to get to. How have you not watched Westworld? How have you not watched Westworld? Or billions. Or billions. And you're watching Jersey Shore. You deserve to get slapped for that. I have a weird relationship with the Jersey Shore show. So when that show first came out. I do a little bit too. I watched it and I thought it was so, first off, it's terrible stereotypes of Italian people. Oh yeah. Yeah. So I'm kind of like, well, you know, because I grew up a time. Is it really terrible? Yeah. Well, you know what's, you know, they just being themselves. Dude, stereotypes. No, I'm not saying that they're acting. That's who they are, but stereotypes a lot of times are based on some truth, right? They're just extreme versions of it. Of course. No, you're right. So as I'm watching it, they obviously casted these people with the intention of showing those extremes. The one that the Vinny, for example, used to crack me up because his like when Vinny, we had this overbearing mom who would like cut his meat for him and do everything for him. And that's like that's like a true thing in my culture, like with the moms do everything for the sun. But anyway, so I watched that all the seasons before and my cousins would watch it. We'd all laugh about it and joke and whatever. And then the show was over and then the reunion came back. So it's just, you know, it's just like an old associate nostalgia, old yeah relationship. So I'm watching it and Paulie. So Vinny lost a bunch of weight, got like lean and shit. And I guess he eats a keto diet. So Paulie calls him the keto Guido. Every time you eat that way, I'm going to call you that now. Bro, I was dying of laughter. I can't believe nobody thought of that in their McVegan. You know what I mean? But you're not. I know. Yeah, you eat more. That's the one thing that they did good. I think that why that show did take off is all the funny nicknames and the funny sayings. I mean, the t-shirt time and the cabs are here. Yeah, I mean they did so many little one laundry. What's that like acronym? They Jim, Jim, Tan, Laundry, yeah, Jim, Tan, Laundry, the one that DTF came from that, that was that would be crazy. Yeah, that did the one thing that cracked me up the most that nobody ever really talked about was that you guys ever watched the episode where I don't remember where they were. It happened during the World Cup and during the World Cup. And I forgot where it was. There was everybody was blowing into those long skinny plastic horns. Do you guys remember that at the World Cup? And I was like, yeah, and it became a thing like and people were buying these horns. Well, on the Jersey Shore, I forgot which season it was. It might have been Miami where they had one of these horns. And you know how they used to bring girls back to the to the place all the time? Yeah, yeah, and they would call like if there was like a group of four or five girls, there was one that was unattractive or whatever they called the grenade. Yeah, remember that? Yeah, the grenade. So that there was one episode where they were bringing these girls and and I don't remember. I think it was Polly was blowing on the the World Cup horn and they called it the grenade whistle. Every time it was an unattractive girl. Yeah, grenade whistle blow it. I wish that caught on more. I thought that was so fucking hilarious. Yeah, nobody's going to be offended by that. Oh, dude, it was so good. But anyway, so I got some articles here. I want to be I've been saving these because they're a little controversial, but they're pretty cool. We're staying on the country. Here we go. We dropped some episodes on God and the religion back to be pushing politics like we decided to no. This is this is there. We're just there in our family. No, this is a good one. This is a good one because many times things appear to be a particular way, but they're actually opposite. For example, I'll give you an example. There was that one study that I bring up. I brought up a few times where I forgot what town it was or what city that made this ordinance that all restaurants had to list calories next to the you know options on the menus and they thought that this would help people lose weight, make better choices. And then when they did what they did a study later on, they found that actually people chose to eat higher calorie options as a result, which sounds counterintuitive, but then they realize what happens is people look at two options and they say, oh, here's the healthier option. Here's a less healthier option. It's just like a hundred more cal or four or three or more calories and people don't really understand. Like, oh, big deal. I'll just go with the one that I really want. You know what I so it's opposite, right? Doesn't help when your treadmill say like triple what you're really doing to. Let's talk about that for a second. How over bullshitted estimated are those fucking cardio machine way off? I remember. I remember clients used to get off those things and be like, yeah, I burned 800 calories on the treadmill. I did 30 minutes on the elliptical. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, get the fuck out of here. You burn 800 calories on the treadmill. What kind of elliptical are you doing? Yeah, it's for 30 minutes uphill sprints. Yeah, yeah, so a study done by Cornell and the University of Michigan found that those there were people who were highly concerned about climate change. These are people who are like because they did surveys and stuff and these are people who are like, okay, I am extremely concerned about climate change. This is a big deal to me. We're less likely to engage in recycling and other eco-friendly behaviors than gloaming a global warming skeptics. Yes, yeah, that was that even possible. I'm so concerned. No, if you break. So at first it sounds like this is this doesn't make any sense, but when you think about it, it kind of does make a little bit of sense because the people who tend to be the more concerned crowd are the ones that advocate for They feel guilty. No, they advocate for government regulation and government policies and changes. Like they want the government to make laws and stuff to fix this particular problem versus trying to do something themselves. That's right. That's right. Versus the global warming skeptics who also generally tend to be the more the individuals who are more pro individual action. Like, you know, like I I need to if I got to do my own changes. I'm not worried about everybody. I don't need to force everybody else to do things. I'm going to do things for myself. Those are the people that tend to do do the things that tend to be better for the environment, according to this particular study. Now this this echoes similar studies that have been done on people who on charity. So they've done studies and they found that people who advocate for the most government programs to help the poor also tend to donate the less the least amount of money to charities and people who don't tend to donate the most and they control that for income too. So some people say well some people have more less money. No, when they control for income, people who are less like pro government force or government providing these things tend to do things more on their own. Yeah, they want dad to do it. Yeah, I think I think that kind of that tends to be true, right? Like if you feel like everybody else is doing something, you tend to do less of it yourself. You feel like nobody's going to do it. Yeah, you gotta get your hands dirty. Get my hands dirty a little bit. How crazy is that? That's interesting though. It is interesting. Yeah, it's kind of like human behavior is interesting in that particular respect. I feel like it's like a guilt thing. And I think by just saying it or saying that's important or like making a point to fight for the cause makes you feel better. And so that's the only thing that you're really feeling like you do care that much about the cause or you just care about acting like you care about the cause. It's true. It's true because if you look at someone's behavior social cred for it, yeah, like if you look at someone's behaviors and their actions, you can tell pretty quickly if they really do care about something, you know, if somebody really, really cares, then they'll change their own, their own behaviors rather than just talking about actions. Yeah, and it's also it's it's more empowering when people start to do that, but it's also more more responsibility. Like I could I could complain all day long about climate change and about, you know, how I want to how I think the it's important that we protect the environment. But then if I need, if I go and change my own lifestyle, well, that requires a little bit of work on my part. And I think a lot of people are much more willing to speak out and far less willing to do I feel the same way about like trying to help people get in shape. And like we had a question. Totally a hundred percent asked about like, you know, what do I do about my parents and trying to get them in shape and or I have a spouse or this person who I want to get in shape. And it's like, you know, honestly, you could sit there all day long and open your wheels on all the things that you can do to make their life easier. So they so they get in shape or by educating them to give them shape or you can be that change in their life by doing it within yourself and letting them see that. And I think that's way more powerful. It's every. I mean, I remember when I first came into Katrina's family, I mean, they probably for a year or two there, you know, they gave me a lot of shit, man. They give me a lot of shit for anyway. Well, yeah, because I'd bring my food to fucking family events. You know, you're the new boyfriend in town. And she's like, yeah, like, what an asshole, you know? But but I did my best. I did my best not to be like that, you know, like to kind of explain why and stuff like that and be like, no, no, I mean, it doesn't bother me. Everyone drink to your things. So I thought I just right now I have, you know, personal goals that I'm trying to achieve and it's important that I eat this way. And and so but I think over time, the entire family watched me transform my body, watched the way Katrina and I live our life. Now the whole family is like always trying to learn more. Every time every time we're around food on there, they're asking questions now. Like, hey, would this be a better choice? Or should we do this? Or, you know, can we make this dish? And is that healthy? Or I heard this and like, I never had to say, you know, oh, you shouldn't do this or, oh, my God, you got you're going down this wrong path and you're going to be overweight and you're going to get all these diseases. And it's going to be this. Like I don't have to scare anybody or make anybody feel certain. Why? Just I focused on myself. It requires a strong character to be able to do that, because you're going to get hit from so many different angles and from so many different people. And you're going to be the one that stands out and you're going to be the one that's weird at the party or the whatever. So requires that somebody kind of is very solid and strong and confident within themselves. And no, I think you're absolutely right. I think constantly preaching to people versus being the example and just worrying about yourself. There's a big difference in effect. Yeah, because the real people that are going to make the change are going to see that because they have to first want to, right? You cannot force your parents or anybody else to want to get in shape. They have to be their own idea. Right. And there's no better way in my opinion to be that visual example for them to want to ask you that, you know, it's a very, it's a, and it's most people will. Like if they see, and most people I feel like are battling inside of like, do I want to make the effort to do this? Or should I, and they're watching you. If you're the person that's healthy that or the healthiest person they know in their life, they're looking to see you fail. They're looking to see you not follow through, eat terrible, do these things. Or say you're healthy for about a six month period and then you fall off and you're this and they're like, ah, he's just like me. You know what I'm saying? That's I'm glad I didn't listen to his bullshit when he was trying to preach to me six months ago. You failed too. You're just like me. It makes you feel better about yourself when, you know, if you have a friend and they are working really hard and you're like, come on, man, just relax. Like, who cares? Enjoy yourself. And your friend's like, no, they're focused on this particular goal. It makes you feel better to see that they fall off because then you feel better about yourself. If they succeed all of a sudden, now you have to ask yourself the question like, well, shit. Yeah, maybe, maybe I was, yeah, maybe I was the one that should have done that. And you put it on them without really, you know, again, you're not pounding them with it. You're just that example is modeling it. I see a client that would tell me that would come bring their kids with them to the gym and they'd be like, Sal, can you tell my son why it's so bad to eat chicken nuggets and drink soda or whatever? Like, can you talk? And there's like a 10 year old kid and then I would go to the parent and be like, just don't have it. Like, don't do it in the house. Like, you don't like, what do you mean? I'm not gonna convince your kid. They live with you. They're watching what you do, obviously. It's like being a smoker and trying to talk to your kid tell your kid that smoking is bad. Don't smoke. Meanwhile, you're the one that's doing it. You know, it's that whole example thing. So yeah, definitely requires a certain level of responsibility and it's that individual action. I mean, again, this is all sounds silly, but if everybody just focused on themselves and did what was best for themselves and everything, then you'd see the massive change that people. Yeah, did you see, I don't know if Justin saw it. I saw you sent over on the thread yesterday, the Google, was it not Google? Who was it that, what company is it that is doing the AI? Can I answer the calls and set you up? Bro, did you guys watch that? Is it Google? I think it is. Did you watch that? I thought it was Google, yeah. I didn't watch it. I was reading like, what was going on with it? It's Google Assistant. It's cool. It's very cool. So it's Google Assistant. People are freaking out, because of how real it sounds. So what you'll do is you'll tell your Google Assistant, hey, book me dinner at 9 p.m. at whatever restaurant. Google Assistant will call the restaurant and then they played the actual conversations between the people. Yeah, with a live person who's a live person and Google Assistant. And you can't fucking tell. You can't distinguish it. You can't tell who's the who's the who's not real. And I mean, I mean, it wasn't even a straightforward conversation. It was like, oh, sorry, that time is not available. And then the fucking Google Assistant replies, oh, well, how about these worlds happening, bro? Dude, it was creepy. Yeah, it's weird. It's cool though. Weird, right? That's really cool. It is, it is, but it's also kind of strange. I mean, just imagine how much you could, I mean, I think for me, a guy like me, that really, really would help out to have this virtual assistant that I could just, every time I think about it, I put it in my counter real quick, like make sure this happens. Make sure this happens. And it's just, all I have to do is put the note in or whatever for them to know, to call and set. Don't worry, Adam, I got you covered. Oh, dude. Dave, it's even picks up like the mannerisms, dude, or the lingo, like the way that the way that- The pauses and the hum and the- Yes, it's trippy. Two new books for you in your library. No, it talks like this. Like we're talking- Yeah, I like it just normal. You can't fucking tell, dude. It's so weird. Yeah, it's really cool. You'd be like, Google Assistant, can you call my girlfriend and apologize right now? I saw it, Justin, you were watching. Make sure she's- You were watching this morning, Karate Kid on YouTube, right? Oh, Cobra Kai. Oh, you watched it? Yeah, bro. You're an asshole. You're an asshole. You know, I don't have- Oh, it's a season. Yeah. Yeah, there's- That's why I sent it to you guys. It's so good. It's produced by Google Red just on- Excuse me, YouTube. YouTube Red. It's only on YouTube Red and it's a whole series and it follows up on Johnny and- Now is it there, Kid? Danny LaRusso. No, well, they haven't really got to the- I just watched the first episode. I think Danny's an asshole now. Yeah, Danny owns like car dealerships and he's just like- Yeah, he's a little bit of an asshole. Like they kind of take it from Johnny's perspective of like being down and out, you know? And like he keeps reflecting on getting kicked in the face. Oh my God, it's so funny. It's like, it's such that like old dry humor and he's watching like Iron Eagle, you know? And so they add all this like old 80s feel to it. So it's actually good, huh? It's good, man. Like it's good writing. I was like, I thought it might be like super cheesy and terrible, but like it's like cheesy, but like good. It's like nostalgic cheesy. All these platforms are getting there- Producing their own stuff. Yeah. I fucking love it, dude. Is YouTube Red worth it? I mean, I'm not paying for it. This is free, so- How did you, what is it, a trial? Yeah. Oh shit, I'm gonna do that just to watch Karate Kid. Yeah, I think that they're letting it, you know, go as free for a while so people kind of like get introduced to it. Karate Kid has to be easily one of the most impactful movies in my youth. Oh really? Oh yeah, man. Easily. No, me too, man. That was a staple. Like yeah, like, cause you remember that. You remember how uncomfortable you were like trying to kind of prove yourself. Like, you know, like the whole bully thing. Like getting through that process. Like when you're a kid, like I just remember it cause like Johnny was such like the stereotypical perfect. Yeah, archetype of a bully guy. But then you watch it now, like as you're older, like the old movie and you're like totally rooting more for Johnny. Like you're like, dude, Danny's such a little bitch. You know, like the whole time he's crying about, he could have let it go, right? But no, he feels like fucks with him again. You know, pours water on him. Yeah, that part. Like come on, dude. Like you're just, you're just stirring the bees. Yeah, they were just trying to smoke a joint in the bathroom. Yeah, man, he's just trying to have a little party. Yeah. You're gonna fucking, you're gonna dump water on him? Yeah, no, no. You deserve to get your ass kicked, sir. And it didn't help for me that people kept telling me when I was a kid that I looked like him. Oh yeah. Oh my God. So of course I was like, oh yeah. That's like, your son looks like him. Yeah. Like I look at your boy and I go, oh my God, he looks just like Danny for sure. My friend got that a lot too. My best friend growing up cause he, you know, he's Italian. He looked just like him too. You get that all the time. Like girls are like, oh, you look just like Danny. I didn't like his girlfriend and never liked his girlfriend. Are you serious? No. Oh, she was a babe. No, she was, but she was like, she was like two, like bigger than him almost. When you see him together, you're like, oh, that's right. Yeah, but yes it does. He was a skinny little boy. When I was that old, all the girls were fucking, all the girls were bigger than you. Six, seventh and eighth grade, the chicks were bigger, dude. What grade is he in in that movie? She was like, uh, what grade was he in? He was in high school, wasn't he? Yeah, I think he was in high school. Well, just parents? Yeah, he was like, yeah, just like a, but that's what I mean, really, that's what I mean. My, from sixth grade to probably sophomore year, most of the girls were our size or bigger. You know, we developed before us. Yeah, most boys don't sprout up to about their sophomore junior year in high school. What a brilliantly written movie too. It stood the test of time. I mean, watching him do all those chores and then, you know, Mr. Miyagi's like, actually you've been learning karate this entire time. Yeah, like, he Huckleberry Finda's ass, you know what I mean? I'll come real quick, you know what I'm saying? What a brilliant movie, but yeah, definitely one of the, one of the, my favorite movies in my youth. So I'm excited to watch it. I'm going to say free trial. Yeah, for sure of it. Dude, did you see in, do you see, so because I know we're heading up to Seattle coming up here soon, right? We're going to be doing, is that where the, which one's in Seattle? Mirror, that's here. Yeah. Okay. Do you know Amazon's headquarters up there? Mm hmm. Yes. Right. So Seattle and Microsoft. Seattle has to be one of the worst cities for economic policies. It's, it's, it's terrible. It's like the Seattle, San Francisco, like all these cities that just are basically trying to destroy themselves with their idiotic economic policies. And so what Seattle is doing, cause Amazon is in the middle of building or expanding their headquarters to add like, I don't know how many tens of thousands of employees and Amazon brings the city of Seattle. I don't know how many millions of dollars are already in tax revenue already and jobs, right? So Seattle passed a, a, I think it's called a head tax. So if you're a company that generates over 20 million dollars in revenue, not in profits, by the way, so there's a problem there already. If you generate over 20 million dollars in revenue, they're going to charge you. And if I'm not mistaken, the amount is something like 40 something dollars ahead for people who work there. What? Yeah. So they're about to dramatically increase the amount of taxes. I don't understand the, you know, it's called a head tax. Yeah, but I don't understand the theory behind that just to collect more taxes. And so we're going to pay for, we're going to go after the pay for housing for homeless people is what they'll say, right? It's what they're saying. We're saying it's we need more housing for homeless people. This is how we're going to generate the revenue. We're going to, we're going to charge a head tax on these companies. So Amazon and this is what happens. This is what do you think's going to happen? They're later. We'll go put our base somewhere else. So Amazon would you stay Amazon halted halted their construction. They're like, we're not going to keep building and now they're trying to negotiate with the city. And so then the city's trying to paint Amazon as this evil corporation or that doesn't want to help homeless people except except it wasn't that long ago that Amazon actually donated a shit ton of money and actually I think built a massive housing facility on their dime for homeless people. How fucking stupid that is beyond stupid. Good for fucking Bezos though, for fucking fuck you. You know what I'm saying? That probably lost him money even to do that. Why don't you start? You start contracts like that and I'm sure that they probably already started spending money in that direction. Yeah. But I would do the same fucking gangster move too. Like fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like we put doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever because imagine how much that's going how positive a big huge company like Amazon coming into it. Oh my God. I mean tremendously. Yeah. No, I remember when Tesla just came up to Reno where my sister lives. Yeah. Why did they do that? Because California was being a bunch of right dumbasses. And so they go up to Reno and now you see the whole town or I mean it brings instantly brings like three or six thousand jobs like right away to a town. This economy's changed. Yeah. No shit. It's so silly. It's ridiculous. It's such a stupid mentality. One thing I think people need to understand is if you're and of course if you're not lying and cheating stealing if you're not you don't have that cronyism where you're partnering up with politicians to create barriers. So the people can't compete with you whatever. Definitely not the case with Amazon. Definitely not the case. Amazon is a tech company. It's very, very free. They dominate because they're so good. Not because they've been given special treatment or because there's all these barriers that they know that they've enacted or put up for their competition through laws or legislation. One thing you understand is when a company or an individual becomes extremely successful in a market economy when a company generates billions of dollars that alone is doing a massive service to society. Right. Okay, if you hear here, I'm going to trip people out by saying this and I'll back it up. If you live in a market economy and you're an honest person, one of the best things you could do is get rich as fuck. Literally because in order for you to get rich as fuck, that means you have to serve a whole bunch of other people's interest. Right. You have to create something that a lot of people want or do something a lot of people want or give people a service that people find valuable, more valuable than their dollars. Right. So that means you're already doing a massive, massive service. So like, for example, if you look at Amazon, you think, oh, evil corporation. What do you think would happen if we erased Amazon from existence, if they had never existed at all? How much less money would people have in their pockets for savings? Think of the ways that they less jobs. Think of how they revolutionize shipping. Think of how they revolutionized. How they allowed small businesses to build online presence in online business. Without Amazon, it was much more difficult to create an online business. You had to ship your own products. You had to store them, whatever. Now with Amazon, and sure, they take a big chunk out of it, but boy, have they made it a lot easier for companies to exist online. And so I think it's just, it's insane that we tend to do this with legislation and laws. We tend to fuck these or just shoot ourselves in the foot. It's so stupid. It is. What are they going to do now, right? If Amazon said, fuck you. What are they going to do now? You know what the chain of events that happens in some of these societies is then, and it won't happen here, thankfully, but it's happened in other countries is first they'll say, you got to pay us this massive tax. And the company says, we're going to leave. And then they'll say, we're going to make it illegal for you to leave. And the company say, well, we'll shut down. And then they'll say, well, we're going to take all your assets then and they'll play this fucking game. And you see this in socialist societies that start to spiral downward like Venezuela, where, you know, now Venezuela, I don't know if you guys saw this, but Venezuela money now is worth less than world of warcraft money. Oh, no true. That's true. It's like you can sell your world. I feel that laughing because the poor people that are there, but like, oh my god, that is a fucking funny stat. You can sell your world of warcraft money for more. Oh my god, dude, I know that's sad. It's sad. I feel bad for laughing, but I know I feel bad for laughing. That's a great stat. Crazy. That's crazy. So speaking of laughing right on the same topic, Amazon fucking behemoth of a company crushing and destroying everybody, right? And everybody's like, oh, Amazon rules the world. Here's a stat. Let's get a fucking trip you out. That's probably going to piss off Bezos. Apple made more profit in three months than Amazon has generated during its entire life type. Are you serious? Yes. Oh my god Apple generated a forty eight point three billion dollar profit during its fiscal two thousand and seventeen and made thirteen point eight billion in net income during the March two thousand eighteen quarter still off their iPhone while Amazon's total net income since inception is nine point six billion. Yeah, but that's how much money Amazon makes. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Do you know Amazon has more cash than the government? You're talking about Amazon. Apple, sorry. Yeah, it's all Apple. Well, that's the thing. They're just pure liquid cash, man. Yeah, that's the difference though. So you have a luxury brand like Apple versus a tech brand or gig right during this whole gig explosion with Amazon. And so Amazon is like the long play, right? That's like when you look at and that's why the book they're taking over other industries. The book of four is a really cool read around this because Amazon is not just crushing right now which they are but and you compare them to Apple as far as profits. Apple looks bigger and better financially like year over year, but you're you're they're also Amazon's spending along the cloud. Yeah, exactly. They're talking about that. They're spending a lot of money to own a lot of real estate and have a lot of control of markets that at any point there. I mean, that's the way I look at they're looking. They're looking more about power than they are a dollar right now which which they'll turn into money. Right. Now explain this to me because I've heard you guys see this before and I kind of understand it. But I've heard you guys say Amazon owns the cloud. So what do you mean by that? They own all they own all the service of the cloud still has. I mean, you still have to have servers right? It has to go somewhere. And so they own like the majority of like all these servers somewhere. I don't know if it's in Arizona or like some desert where it's like Google and whatever uses. Yeah, they pay for the storage basically in a sense to go through that. So like when you're when you're downloading things from the cloud like it's actually going through, you know, they're they're providing that service. So in other words, is other other tech companies grow and require more and more of this? And you just think they're so big at this point that you can't compete with it. Like you can't do it. It's like think of like somebody trying to come up and like compete with like cell phone towers right like trying to come in and compete with the guys that have have the market. They have everything. They already have a monopoly on it. They have a monopoly on the cloud. Yeah, all the everybody's jacked in with Comcast already. Like good luck. Like we're trying. I really want somebody to compete though. You know, Comcast is different because Comcast they've the only reason why they've achieved that level of domination is because there's laws that make it so hard for anybody else to try to compete. But Amazon, that's a different story. Although I will say this, the thing about technology that's pretty fucking exciting. It only takes one. You know dramatic massive shift or change in tech and the way we store things for that to be obsolete. Like if all of a sudden there's a server, let's say a quantum server, you know, gets created where you have a server the size of my phone. Now that can contain as much information as a building full of servers. Well, that's just Amazon becomes the opposite. Well, that's just it. Amazon is leading the way in that they're constantly spending. There's other. Yeah, there's other companies that are trying come on and like have their own private cloud and even for themselves to host that to run that to manage that cost more money than it would cost them to just get with Amazon. Right. So it's like you're unless you're getting in the business of the cloud, which most people aren't, they just want to use the cloud. It doesn't even make sense to even try and compete with Amazon because they make it's the same way with shipping with Amazon. They flip the funnel. They eat at the same way they flip the funnel play. The same way they flip the funnel on its head with buying things online. Now explain that for a second because people listening need to understand that part because that was them doing that just totally disrupted the entire Internet. Well, yeah, they've become they've become the go to like you see all these companies anybody who ships online uses Amazon because they've made it so user friendly for both the the consumer and the producer and the producer. It's like it's like a no brainer that everything from like you said before the shipping they make it so easy and they make it so fast that nobody can compete with it. Yeah, that's a good one. Even if another brand tried to come in to try it's too late. It's too late in houses in their warehouses and the inventory. Do you know how long the US post office said it was impossible to do overnight shipping and to ship things that quickly? They would say that it was impossible. They said it for decades impossible, impossible, possible. Then UPS FedEx and Amazon came out private companies and showed like this is how well, I don't know. I don't know the numbers on this, but I do know that part of the reason why they could do that is again why they're not the most profitable right now is they take a lot of big losses to win the market share. You know, so even when they first did that, I'm sure and I can't I know I've read it somewhere. I just don't remember the numbers like you know when they first started all that stuff they weren't making a ton of money. You know they were probably losing in fact when they were shipping for such a low price they're probably having to pay employees and storage and all these things. It's the model man because they just raised the price of Prime Amazon, Amazon Prime go up in cost and nobody's gonna fucking challenge it. It's just like what they're doing with AI right now. I mean they're losing money every single month on the amount of money they're spending on AI and building these factories that will just be automated. They're not making money if that nobody's paying that they're paying on their own pocket to create that. But once it's operational and running it's game over. That's why I mean Apple they're gonna hit the trillion dollar cash mark first. Apple. Yeah, I can almost guarantee it because that's their only objective is that like it just seems like they're trying so hard to just get as much cash and squeeze as much as it's either that it's either that or we see like Apple get almost there and then Amazon turned the switch on on so many markets like they're trying to move into the space of I mean they're getting into like the shipping containers and over. I mean they're all the drone deliveries. Yeah, they're fucking with huge markets right now that if all the shipping container one. Like that is a huge market and it's so wrapped up in red tape and all this bullshit. It's such an antiquated way of handling things because there's all these protectionist laws between that between education between the I mean they so they're getting their hands on all these markets that regardless if they're making a lot of profits right now. But they're proving that it can be done more efficiently. Once they prove that and everybody's on board to where it's like a no brainer like why would I not have Amazon because it includes all these things I get I get prime shipping all that's just it like think about it this way when you want you know drastic and dramatic changes or innovations it requires a lot of capital and risk right when you're looking at a system that's been around for a long time and you're looking at it and you're let's say you're a company and you're like okay we want to make this system that's been around for 50 years or 30 years we want to make it far more efficient how do we do that because it's been done this way for so long we need to spend a lot of money and time figuring that figuring that out we need to invest a shit ton of capital well if you're throwing a fucking head tax on Amazon's headquarters because you're Seattle and you think you're you know whatever you're taking away money that they're gonna that they would invest in these risky type of things growth right and it's their money to do so which I here's why I don't like government investing in that kind of stuff like you're taking my money and you're fucking risking Amazon that's their own goddamn money they're gonna take and risk it and if they succeed they do if they fail they lose their money when government does it and they fail they lost my money right you know I'm saying so I like nobody wins yeah I that's what I'm saying so like let them let them you know get let them have that money so that they can figure out and reinvest people realize just how much money goes back into reinvesting a business when you're profiting I mean look at our company our business you know mine pump as we grow people you know might look and be like oh they must be paying themselves more and more money no no are hardly changes how much we pay ourselves because there's so much more reinvestment into trying to grow and you know add more people and become more efficient so but crazy to 2017 48 billion dollars in profit they made that is an insane amount of that's apple that is an insane amount of cash the race to a trillion man yeah man that is an insane amount it's kind of exciting if you ask me yeah this was brought to you by organifi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge try organifi totally risk free for 60 days by going to organifi dot com that's o r g a n i f i dot com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout our first question is from Mitch w basketball 15 why am i feeling pain whilst doing overhead dumbbell tricep extensions where the deltoid originates from the acromium process process yeah i love when people give a detailed question like that yeah so i think you should we should explain what that person is doing and what where they feel pain right now so they're doing an overhead extension right where you have a dumbbell behind it really common someone will sit like at a 90 degree bench where you're sitting up right now like a chair and then they grab a dumbbell and they cup it behind their head and they do overhead extension so and that requires really good shoulder mobility to bring the dumbbell back behind your head and and this is very common actually it's really common that people struggle with in fact I've seen a lot of people injure themselves going really heavy on tricep extensions behind their head and it's not because of their triceps or they don't have enough strength it's because they don't have the shoulder mobility well they're just not raising their arm and pulling it back in that position like ever right right they just they've lost connection there now this this area is where the scapula the top of the shoulder blade attaches to the the top of the shoulder blade attaches to the collarbone so it's called the it's the acromioclavicular joint is probably is where he's feeling this pain and this is a common area that people will get just like the top front of your shoulder yeah so like if you're if you're like if you're like ac joint yeah so if you're if you're touching your collarbone and you move it all the way out towards your shoulder it's like the end of that of that particular that's why I'm like really bony kids used to make fun of me right there really yeah did you cry I did but that's that's a common area to separate in fact getting a partial separation there or getting like osteoarthritis or inflammation there is common they call it bench press shoulder well you know I I I can't remember where I read this but it it only takes 40 percent of your intensity to pull the shoulder out of its socket like so you 40 percent of your strength yeah so like if so you so you could yeah so you don't even have to be lifting like a max load but if it's out of position and I may not be wording that correctly or saying it right but the point of it was it doesn't take very much weight or stress for you to dislocate your shoulder or injure it when it's out of position it's it because it's a multi faceted joint like like the hips it's a very it's really easy for us to get hurt if you do not have the right mobility you see this it's a problem we see heavy benchers with where their technique is off you see this problem a lot in that particular part of the shoulder because it stabilizes the shoulder joint in that horizontal you know plane where you're laying on your on your back it's actually a little easier on that area when you do an incline believe it or not this is this is the real magic behind maps prime pro was that we take every major joint in the body and we address it and we make sure that it has it has the ability to take that that joint through full range of motion and most people for sure are going to find several of the joints in their body are not a they cannot do this yeah and they need just just the rotators like like having internal external rotation and and right how many people can actually yeah how many people even practice that and that being such a a crucial part to this whole process of being able to stabilize so it doesn't move off track right so the biggest thing is like you start to get you know your your bone gets like a little bit off track now where it starts getting closer and closer to where it becomes that impingement so that's that's where we get that pain sensation starts to form this tends to be a dysfunction in the scapula on the shoulder joint excuse me the shoulder blade so in prime pro we have movements that you can work on for specifically for the shoulder blade which is part of the whole shoulder structure because a lot of times we focus on just the shoulder itself that or at least the part of the shoulder of the humerus but that scapula your shoulder blade plays a massive role and in the function of your shoulder joint and and this in this particular issue probably has more to do with this shoulder blade than it does proper attraction and depression that's it that's it so so that and that's probably what your problem is I would say okay obviously number one avoid that exercise for now but then focus on bringing the shoulder blades back and down and doing exercises that helps stabilize that back and down position because what's happening what might be happening is your shoulder blade is elevating or shrugging and rolling forward a little bit or turning out a little bit or maybe even winging a little bit which will cause problems in that ac joint as you bring your arm you know over your head so if you prime properly you may be able to get in that position without having pain so one thing that I can recommend that might be it's easier to explain over a podcast would be to do some really light rows where we first we created the maps red row from this that's what that's for is to teach you to retract like that in like a seated row position you know retract and then depress the shoulders yeah so I would say do a light row pull the shoulder blades back and then down so it's like you're trying to get your shoulder blades and put them in your back pockets focus on that squeeze hold that squeeze for three seconds do a few repetitions like that and then go and do your overhead exercise and place that shoulder in that position and then see if you still feel pain so since we've been starting this whole fucking phone thing and us sitting down yeah and rounding and I can see my posture rounding forward it has become now mandatory that before I do bench press I have to do rows I have to I have to do that oh really because it bothers you more now even yeah or else I'll feel I'll feel that like kind of impingement in my shoulder and I know right away that it's just and once I go do two or three sets of some really good rows where I'm concentrated I'm retracting depressing then I go right back into chest instantly alleviate yeah I'll do like what we have in prime pro we have these shoulder scap kind of circles where you take it through oh that's the best oh man it's so great for priming and getting into proper position you know when I go to bench because that was a big problem for me is I would feel that impingement start to form just because I would get to a certain sticking point where the load would put enough pressure to where I was like oh shit okay you know I'm not stabilizing properly it's also a common area of injury for football players because of the when they tackle yeah you tackle with your shoulder and you get a lot of these AC joints these separations I had my AC joint my left side I had it resected I had about maybe three millimeters resected off the end of it because I had I had separated it just a partial separation in brazilian jiu-jitsu and then the doctor said okay well you can stop jiu-jitsu for six months and let yourself heal or I can give you a cortisone shot so you can keep doing jiu-jitsu and then we'll see what happens and so I chose the stupid option and ended up making it much worse and then I had to get shoulder surgery now my right one bothers me a little bit can you talk about that like how what a bad decision get taking getting those shots are oh man I mean I understand if there's like really bad acute inflammation get rid of the pain to maybe I hate even saying that well no not because all everybody who has has it and has pain and it gets the shot it's like oh if you only knew it's in so much pain like you don't want to no it's not because I didn't want the it's not I'm not saying this because you should get rid of the pain although I I am empathetic to that as well I'm not that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is sometimes you need to get rid of inflammation so that you can do the movements that will help that area but most people don't use them that way that you know most people get the shot and they're like I'm better know how to and they go do whatever they were normal things like everybody everybody like I don't know a client one that I had that gets that gets the shots for the pain and that have would come to me and be like yeah I got the shot it brought the inflammation down now I'm doing my mobility work I'm doing the exercises to fix this they're like oh I feel great and they go right back to doing everything that they've been doing and which got them in that situation they don't even realize it and then next thing you know two months down the road they're in pain again and they're getting the shot again and it's just as vicious those shots if you keep using them we'll deteriorate your fucking joint and a very very bad way because inflammation there is shitty banding they're not even a good banding it inflammation is a signal for your body to repair and to heal and when you zap it out of there with a with a cortisone shot that joint can start to deteriorate so you start to you start to see people getting these every single year and every year things start to get worse and then they go then they have to get a joint replacement that's always the follow-up right so if you do get one of those shots use it as a way to help you rehab not as a way to like oh it's gone I feel fine now and I've never had you know pain you know my pain's gone now so everything must be better here's something that you know Dr. Brink taught us a while ago that I thought was absolutely brilliant he says you know when you work on an area and you start to correct and you know imbalances or work on recruitment patterns and the pain goes away that doesn't mean that you're done right because pain is like the last signal right that's that's when you're like oh you're that's when it's screaming at you that's right it's like you got to keep working past that because pain is a is a terrible signal that's if you just rely on pain you're gonna be in a bad situation like oh I stop until I start to hurt myself and then I feel a little better and I go back and forth this is also why all of our prime and prime protest that we have in there are either pass or fail yeah it's not like this isn't a matter of yeah just because you don't have pain in that area doesn't mean there's not work to be done for that joint so it's like okay if you can't do the movement 100% perfectly then there's work to be done there and how bad it is is how much work you need to be putting into that dude just just think of it this way if you're listening right now think of it this way imagine if you were able to just get into any exercise and feel comfortable and the limiting factor just simply be that maybe your strength but has has nothing to do with mobility feeling awkward has nothing to do with like I don't know if I can move it imagine if you could just kind of just manipulate your body the way you want within reason within good control that's what we're talking about when you train these types of movements when you do things like prime prime pro or FRC or you focus on mobility it gives you that ability to just be able to jump into a movement and be able to move in an optimal way otherwise you're going to be stuck in this whole like you know where I'm in this situation now because I didn't do this for the for the you know 90% of my training career where I have to fucking prime and do everything so much before I train and that's just where I'm at now but as I continue to do it I notice it gets better and but like I have to prime less than today than I did last month you know what I'm saying because I've been doing it now more consistently right next question is from ander beth what is better for leaning out crossfit or orange theory if I had to pick those if I okay if we consider that both sides have good coaches because always it's always going to go down with the coach right a shitty crossfit coach is not going to be as effective as an excellent orange theory coach and vice versa so if both coaches are really really good then I have to say pretty clearly that crossfit and because crossfit utilizes yeah far more effective movement it's not it's not it's well they wait train this is a thanks justin this is another top of the shit pile or tallest midget situation though you know this is like not the worst case scenario yeah this is this is not the ideal situation that I would want if you look to me and say I want to get shredded I want to lean out oh should I do crossfit should I do orange theory like if that's like how you're already thinking I would already say we're already heading down the wrong path like I think there's so many other things that need to be addressed that don't even require you to do this circuit training well already it's the wrong mentality it is trying to lean out by using circuit training yeah it's exactly it's not you wouldn't like unless you're in a good place like if you're a good play if you're in a good place you've got good my own mechanics now that's a very good point same way we recommend hit you know what I mean yeah maps it like no we even say in there like you need to have some experience you need to know what you're doing you're not this is definitely not for a beginner to just lose weight right if if we if we are taking a person which by the way would probably fit in the five percentile that has got great body mechanics that has got their nutrition lined it lined up they've got they have some experience they've got six weeks to go and they want they have either or orange stereo crossfit which one's going to get me the most shredded crossfit will and across it's a and it's a very clear and cut because orange theory completely eliminated all the Olympic lifts which I think is smart because they know a majority of the people dangerous do they even use barbells or no it's only dumbbells yeah so they don't even do squats and that's that's what I'm saying yeah head lifts and squats yeah so it's not even close that crossfit would trump would trump it as far as because they're gonna you're gonna you can build way more muscle doing crossfit than you ever will doing orange theory therefore it's by far gonna benefit you as far as the speed of getting leaned out the problem with that theory is that the reason why orange theory is so successful is because they got rid of all those Olympic movements requires less skill because it doesn't require as much skill and most people can't perform the correctly and they're getting heard and all these other reasons so I think neither one of them are a great option and I think that I mean it's even okay when I'm training someone to get ready for a show including myself cardio is the last thing so burning tons of calories manually is the last thing that I go to I am manipulating your programming and your nutrition to get you to shred as fast as possible without even touching let's add a bunch more of exercise and movement because I know that that's the least substantial thing I know I could teach somebody to resist eating something or to make smarter workout choices than I can to add more movement and more time in their day and just looking at it just look at it as a calorie burn that's what it tends to that's what tends to happen I need to burn this many calories today you know here's a here's here's the you're not moving the whole rest of the day you know to like I'd I get into a little bit of a debate with us because I prefer to just have people like super active you know if you want to go in that direction like just having all day long like you're you're active versus like super intense like one window of like an hour when I teach confars effectiveness when I teach a competitor you know again I've you know I've helped Melissa out even though I don't see her anymore like I used to when she's competing but she's getting ready for another show and now she'll just every once a week she'll send me over like hey this is what I'm doing coach what's going on and no cardio right now it's all neat based and she's five weeks out from a show getting lean and shredded right now and the only thing I would say I go okay take your steps now up to 18 to 20,000 a day that's all I want you to do just move throughout the day walking still not doing and then when we do introduce cardio it'll look like this all right for the next week I want you three times three to five times after your workout give me 12 to 15 minutes of just hit cardio just right afterwards 12 to 15 minutes but that's you're talking about like an elite athlete that's competing and she's like five weeks off from right and five weeks off from a show you're the average person none of that advice is even I'm not all I'm focusing is neat from a pure neat and lifting from a purely calorie burning perspective okay if you're living in that paradigm of I need to burn this many calories okay forget anything else just from a purely how many calories I burn perspective doesn't fucking matter what you do it really doesn't like if you're if all you care about is I need to burn 600 calories right now then it doesn't matter so you might as well do some housework or some other shit that's going to benefit you in your backyard yeah that's going to benefit you that versus you know running in place doing burpees or right right taking a class now that being said there are other things that matter while burning calories can I build muscle can I improve upon my mobility can I improve upon my strength can I speed up my metabolism through that process and the answer is you potentially could in which case you want to do that you definitely want to do that you don't want to just burn calories because you don't need a fucking class to do that you could literally stand and run in place and count the calories that you burn and boom voila you've accomplished your ridiculous objective which isn't going to really help you that much right just burning calories is a lot of work and a little bit of return it's you're trying to dig a ditch with the spoon like you can do it you spin your wheel yeah you can go dig a fucking pool with your spoon go go try it but you're going to be there for months and it's going to be super inefficient this is such a hard conversation to have with a client too especially when they they come to you with a question like this because I'm sure whoever this is there's probably something in mind that she's got a vegas trip in four or six weeks on the hustle right right it's like now it's like holy shit we plan this last year what do I do I got the girl the girls and I are going to go into Vegas next month it's pool parties here we come and oh shit I'm not in the shape that I thought I was going to be in this time of the year it's like okay now I got to get after it now and I'm going to ask mine pump what is the fastest way for us to get get me in shape there it's like well fuck man okay well yeah you could just start starving the body like crazy training these high intensity classes and in the next four to six weeks you probably will make the most change that you can in your physique by doing that the problem is that as soon as you go party and have a good time and you come back like you're going to be up shit creek you know back to square one yeah you're going to be stuck in that hamster wheel oh yeah each time you try and do that again it's going to be even harder but really hard to tell someone that because I'll tell someone that and then like I don't care exactly I don't care all I care about is this one thing I don't care so tell me bro I get messages every year from family members every year yeah every to the point where I got so mad what I think might have been even my brother where he'll send and this always happens like oh dude what if I what's the best way to eat to lose like the most weight in in three weeks yeah and I'll be like dude listen okay I've written you programs I've written you meal plans I've talked to you about nutrition I've told you how the body works this is the fifteenth time you've asked me the stupid question on how to lose you want to know how you lose the most weight in three weeks here's what you do don't eat you want to lose weight even faster cut your leg off you're fucking the scale will go down like I get so mad with people like keep asking me the same fucking question I'm like you know what's going to happen next year you're going to come back and tell me ask me again what's the fastest way can you give me some more time how about you tell me hey Sal what's the best way I can get in shape for next year then we'll we'll sit down and talk but you always got to come to me fucking three weeks before your event it's like okay I don't know cut your car eat super low calories do a lot of car to go there well I love that I love the extreme analogy because it's really true I mean that's what you're doing like if you're asking me I've only got four to six weeks that is possible well quite frankly don't eat for the next six weeks I mean that will do it and it's like and people oh that's crazy I'm not going to do that well well you're asking me that's the answer to your stupid question that is the answer to your stupid question and if you if you think that's crazy then be just a little less crazy maybe eat every three days from now until you know what I'm saying like that's really what you're where you're going with a question like that where it's it's a dumb mentality so it deserves a dumb response it is and so if again if I'm trying to help this person and so first we try to help by explaining that so hopefully you get the point but you know from this point to whatever it is that you have because I'm sure this person has a date in mind whether it be Vegas or a wedding or something that's coming up really soon and that's why the question came out is you like panic each each week you want to create more movement and you more movement which will create a caloric deficit somehow and you don't want to go extreme because if you go really extreme right out the gates then you're going to see diminishing returns over the second third fourth and fifth week so you want to do just enough restriction calorie wise or create just enough extra movement that you have a nice little 500 to get rid of all your furniture yeah yeah I mean what oh so you don't sit down get rid of all your furniture right yeah that's actually down yeah can't fucking relax and in nutrition is going to play the biggest role right bottom line so you know CrossFit Orange Theory you know resistance training running aerobit whatever your food intakes going to play the biggest role with this but if you had to pick if you're forced between the two and they both have really really good coaches CrossFit wins yeah you have good mechanics for sure next question is from Ray Lehman how do you recommend measuring and tracking body composition what do you think is an ideal healthy body fat percentage for a woman who does not intend to compete but wants to be fit so I I get this question a lot and that's why I picked it yeah what's a good body fat percentage well no first of all testing wise yeah is there anything better than the hydrostatic well let's address let's address that first so here's a here's a thing with that all of them I it turns into this thing where we again like camps you know what is like oh you know this this this skin fold is this the bod pod but yeah then it's like all these different ways to measure and to be honest even the worst one is within about a percent or two of accuracy even like your shittiest of scales maybe the so probably the worst thing out there is probably some myoelectric impedance probably some Walmart fucking stand on the scale thing that's fucking cheap right but if you've got skin fold you've got bod pod you've got the hydrostatic all those are within like point two percent of each other right so the so what I tell clients is whatever is most convenient for you whether you've got a bod pod nearby you can go get a hydrostatic way you can get skin fold done even if you have one of those biopedance ones that like a neutral shop or whatever even those are fine you're really using it as a tool a feedback tool for you it is not the fucking end and it's not the answer and it's not what should be like oh I'm here so that means I'm doing this right no it's like it's just like the scale to me it's just like the what your scale says up or down it is not the end all it does not mean necessarily that good or bad is happening just because starting point yeah it is it's a starting point it's it it gives you a little bit more feedback that okay I'm at this percent body fat doesn't matter what it reads doesn't even matter if it's that accurate it's that okay I use this tool I woke up at this time I did I did can see you gonna be consistent with it whatever tool you use right I don't want to drink anything I want to do it right away you know and then from there I now I'm going to apply my theory which is if I do these exercises and I eat this way I should hopefully lose body fat and or build muscle and then I come back and I check in two to four weeks and I use that and what it says to tell me how close I am to being right and at the end of the day I'm never going to be a hundred percent perfect but I hopefully after those two to four weeks I can look back and see that hey it looks like I've lost some body fat it looks like I've built a little bit of muscle and or if it's off a little bit I didn't lose that much body fat and I didn't move the in the right way now I have a tool that's giving me feedback that I can go okay looks like I was cutting too many calories I was cutting so hard that I was equally losing fat and muscle that fast because I was restricting too much so I'm going to bump my calories a little bit right so that's how I'm using the body fat percentage it's not the accuracy of the body fat test isn't as important as the consistency of the body fat test what I mean by that is body fat tests all vary in terms of their accuracy so like you know underwater weighing is the most accurate in terms of measuring the closest to what your actual body fat percentage is so that's going to be the most accurate but what you really want what you should really care about is how consistent are the readings and what I mean by that is for example by electric impedance where you put your hands on the handles and it sends a electric you know wave or whatever through your body and then that will calculate how much body fat you have the problem with that one is it's not super consistent like I could test my body fat right now then I could go hydrate the shit out of myself with water and carbs test it again and my body fat will have changed so it's inconsistent and so that's what you don't want you don't want a consistency what you want is something that's going to give you the same reading you know now and it will you know 10 minutes from now even if my body position is different or whatever yeah you have to standardize it that's it you have to have a process word I'm not eating and I'm doing the first thing in the morning you know I have it scheduled it's the same exact routine ritual that you duplicate the next time you go to test otherwise all those variables will skew your results right so you want it to be consistent so that you can measure it on a weekly basis and see what the trend is because it's an inconsistent method of body fat testing well then it's tough because if if it's off by a percent you don't know if you gain it's the same it's the same way that I use my Fitbit right now like you could someone could say oh the Apple Watch is more accurate to the stride it's 0.2 percent closer to the average as long as it's consistent nobody doesn't matter it doesn't matter to me which tool is 0.25 percent more accurate than the other one like that doesn't fucking matter to me I'm using it as feedback for me if I'm using the same tool all the time it's consistent that's all I care that's my point unless you have fuel points then you're like what the fuck does that mean where you go Nike yeah where you go Nike dry the hell is fuel points it just went away too it just died it died completely out of shoes it was super cool and just totally useless yeah all you want is the tool to be consistent the tools consistent that's fine and then you use that as as the feedback now as far as like what body fat percentage you want to aim for well if you're a woman you definitely don't want to be above 30 percent body fat is it a competitor asking a question what did say it's just a normal no just a normal person and if you're a man you definitely don't want to be above 20 percent body fat now why why those numbers why 20 for a man and why 30 for a woman well two things first off women naturally have a higher percentage of their body weight be body fat so a a man that's at 10 percent body fat and it for a woman to have that equivalent you know rate of leanness she's probably going to be around 15 percent or 16 percent or something like that so women are always going to measure higher but why did I come up with 20 and 30 percent there's some literature just that suggests that when a man goes above 20 percent body fat for example that the negative health associations that come with body fat start to dramatically increase so in other words he could be fit he could be very healthy but the mere fact that his body fat now is above 20 percent and climbing that will now start to give him negative health effects and for a woman that number is 30 percent so because there is a you can have some but you can have a man who's 10 percent and you can have another man that's 17 percent and both of them can be extremely healthy even though one has a lot more body fat right right you know they could have healthy diets they could have good activity you know everything is good so you know as far as that concerned it doesn't make a you know a huge difference but when it comes to above 20 percent for a man now you start to see negative health effects and for a woman above 30 percent you start to see those negative health effects now as far as what women are typically seeking because the question is where should I be right most women I've trained are happy in the low 20s most women are very happy at 20 percent and most women are extremely happy in the high teens for body fat yeah so I would say probably 18 to 23 percent is probably a range where that's a really good most of my clients have been like this where I like to be most of my trained personal female personal trainers that work for me you know like a good fit personal trainer was 16 to 18 percent yeah body fat for a female and that's yeah a fit personal trainer exactly yeah a fit personal trainer is walking around around 16 18 percent for a female and for a guy is probably walking around 10 to 12 percent you know so that's kind of what the you know if you're looking at a personal trainer is like and for a guy I know there's obviously a bunch of trainers out there look terrible but that gives you give you an example of you know what a fit personal trainer and then for a guy it's probably like I know for most men a six pack appears right around 10 percent so right you know give or take a percent depending on your how developed your abs are I know my abs didn't show up at about until I got about 8 percent but then when I started to build my abs now they show it you know 10 or 11 percent right so there's that range there but for yeah and that's and that's gonna you know that's something too like when we get another reason I don't get caught up in the percentages man you know a lot of competitors that I compete with don't even pay attention to why would you cares nobody cares what your body five percent is when you're on certain people hold nobody cares in real life either yeah yeah they right just goes how you look no that's it that's it it was it was I was one of the few bodybuilders that actually used like the dunk tank and things like that and again I was using it as a tool like I used it because yeah feedback I was constantly manipulating things in my program maybe things in my diet and going like okay I think if I restrict this much I should just carve off body fat if I do this correctly and then I would get the tool use the feedback and go like oh good I was right on point or oh shit that was too much I cut too hard I need to add more calories or I didn't cut hard enough right so I think learning to use it like that not getting caught up in a percentage or a number because I've seen many bodies at the same percentage look completely different and some people some people have fatty organs some people have their organs are a lot because their diet that is like skinny fat people have you seen this a lot right where you have somebody who doesn't look like they're fat but they test really really high because their organs are really fat it's much the time whether we got that visceral body fat you'll see this in men you'll see this in women sometimes too where sometimes you have a female client who's just obviously doesn't lead a good a healthy lifestyle maybe high cortisol food intolerances and she'll store body fat more like a man you'll see more of this midsection body fat and she'll get her legs will get skinny everything else gets skinny in her midsection in which case you know changing the lifestyle to make it more healthy and that's simply just eating less calories and burning more calories right but I would say for for a guy you know 12 to 15 percent is probably you know where most men would be happy the average guy and for a woman I'd say anywhere between 19 to like 23 percent or something like that is probably and you know some women like to be even in the mid 20s especially for a woman that likes to be more voluptuous and curvy like you can be 25 percent body fat and look hella good if you're healthy yeah and you're fit and you have good the way you store body fat represent that yeah yeah go ahead go to the right area yeah man hey look a lot of people believe it or not don't realize that we all have our own independent social media pages say why that's right each of us have different information on each of these pages you can go on Justin's page or Adam's page or my page see what we're up to see what we're talking about if we're posting any studies any fitness stuff funny stuff whatever you can find us all on instagram my page is mine pump Sal Justin is mine pump Justin and Adam is mine pump Adam thank you for listening to mine pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted rgb super bundle at mine pump media dot com the rgb super bundle includes maps anabolic maps performance and maps aesthetic nine months of phased 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