 It's time to finally forgive why Johnson started racing, as one pretty damn good ride. Grab him like a little clown boy. The famed Bilbo Baggins once said it's about contact. I'm doing my part. Is this guy supposed to be Alfred? Rice guy, look up. I feel like my brain just snapped in half. Ahoy, baby. I'm not going to forget Denali. It's Denali. It's Denali. Arguably. Why would I say raping Bilbo? The nipple. You've never made a logical decision in your life. Never. So is the message nobody should be on meds? Are they always a negative? I think the world is better off for dinner. Joker has a problem with black women. You can't over-lose. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. I left it in the fridge and now it's gone. Lord. Subjective opinion. Men are ruining Star Wars. Epic celestial foge. Oh, that's Goliath. One. One. Two. What a shitty fucking point. He's a ball. He's playing the PVP in your World War II shooter. And all of a sudden, you're a Nazi. Man of fucking horrible. Men ruin everything. I think we need to make Germany great again. We're stuck in a superior bunch of shit tomorrow. There's no argument to be made here. You're so titanically ugly. Fat Asian bitch, objectivity. Get a look at women. A review is nothing more than a description of our experiences. Eating vegan foods was not at all. I don't want to be. No one seems to actually know what a plot hole is. Hello there, ladies and gentlemen. Hello all white Americans. And I'm Rex. That I will watch a lot of the rings. My EPF 100, which essentially gives me a year. We did it. We made it. We did it. They said it couldn't be done. They said it wasn't possible. Everyone told us. No way you could get to 100 episodes. All the people said it. Every guest. It's hard to believe that we are the longest running podcast in human history. Yeah. All of it. All the history. This is it. Most of them stop at episode 99. It's just one of those things. Yeah. Someone said nice transition. You know what? I thought so too. Doesn't it? It's just so smooth. Right now you think we might even be pre-recorded? Well, we're not. We're not. This is all live. We don't know what to say. We don't know what to do. We're lost. We're confused. We don't know what's going on. We're winging it. It's our signature move. We're always prepared to improvise. Absolutely. Which is going to be EFAP 100 in a nutshell, I imagine. Gosh, the audience is so excited. I'm excited. We've got to be able to do stuff. Things have got to happen. They've got to keep happening for 30 hours. Well, you say that as if that's the goal, but it kind of is. Ultimately, if we don't make it to 30 hours, at least we'll have fun. That's okay, everybody. Because everyone's like, oh, you're going to be the last one. Because it was 29, I believe. It's not a contest with ourselves. No. Racist. That's what that is. Disgusting. Well, yeah. Who knows what will happen. Chat's going so fast. How do you expect me to read it? You're also mean. So, one of the things we planned to do for EFAP 99 was literally cover nothing and just chat about EFAP. It's been a long way. It's been a while. We could just do that for this intro, this intro to EFAP 100. We're like, oh, look, we did it. Because, well, I mean, it's been a while. August 22nd, 2018 is when we started. Do you remember that shit? Do you remember that day? It was an interesting day. It was rain. I don't. Oh. But more of a joke. It's probably because we don't know when... It's hard to tell when it specifically began, I guess. Hello. Because we didn't get the... Oh, it's metal. That's me. Hard to believe that he's going to be here with us on this call for 30 hours like he promised he would. That's it? Yeah, just the 30. My extended to 300, depending on how everything feels. Well, lucky for you, my internet got fixed today, so I'm all good to go. Oh, my God. Yeah, he was here this morning. And, oh, it's actually kind of a funny story. Your internet arrived this morning. A man knocked on the door, and he was in the little box, and I had to open it up, and the internet just filled the room. Just... I was like, I can feel it in my veins. Like Pandora's box. That doesn't make sense. How do you feel it in your veins? So apparently someone was connected to my internet connection on the switch on the outside. So either some technician fucked up, or someone was just stealing my internet for a bit. Well, did they... Did they get you anything good? I don't know. Oh, my God, this is a good port. My origin account got hacked once, and they bought some games, but it was with their own money. And then I got the account back, and I got to keep the games, so thanks, random Russian person. Weird of them to kind. Hello, Shad, how do you do? Hi. I am wonderful, and how are all you massives? I'm good. Refreshing start to a wonderful day, I'm sure. You recently saw the super meme, right? What did you think? Oh, my goodness. That was next level. I was in awe. That was amazing. You guys, with the new meme, with Fringian stuff, I'm pretty sure that's an Aussie thing. Now and then. So if you find out doing it, you've got to call me out. Oh, no. If you decline something in any way, shape or form, it's nice. They are real. They are like, oh, no. I don't know. I can try and do it. I'm all self-conscious, guys. He doesn't want to fuck up saying no. No, guys, no. I'll do it. I'll do it for my country. No. You know, Fringian would be proud. Nailed it. You did good. You did good. Thank you. Thank you, guys. It means a lot. Good to be back. It feels weird. It's just like we did it. It's achieved. We've achieved the thing. Now we can rest. It's like, wait, now we've got a whole show. It's like, oh, fuck, okay. Yeah, you know, all kinds of things to cover. That wonderful backlog, as I often reference, is just hanging out as it does. I was thinking, since last year, we covered, I say last year, if it was like, this just always happened. This is the first of the, you know, anniversaries from the start of them, of these long ass streams. But yeah, we covered Jim Sterling first. Mel, were you there for that? I think so. Remind me, what was that about? It was about how VR goggles are privileged goggles. I don't know if you were there. I don't think if I was there for the ether, we did watch a video at some point. I know that video. Fucking, that video was like, what the fuck are you doing? Very topical because I got my VR set this week. Well, too bad. If you could rewind by a year, you can go and cover it. I've been trapping myself in the VR. It's good. Showing your privilege to everybody. It's fucking fantastic. But good old Jim had a video out recently. I saw and I was like, oh my God, this is interesting. He's got something to say on the thing with Abbey in The Last of Us 2. And I think, Shad, you have familiarity with such things, yes? Somewhat. Somewhat. Because I tried to do some research on golf clubs and I uncovered some disturbing things in the process. And I have heard of some disfigured monster that has been wielding golf clubs and killing off beloved individuals and people, which I think is just atrocious. We've been told that No One Beloved was killed by a golf club. No One Beloved. No One Beloved? Okay. No One Beloved. I mean, it's all we've been told. It's like we're joking around. We're just like, have you heard about that, Shad? A certain YouTubers are upset at the idea that Joel is loved as a character. They're like, no, he's not. That's ridiculous. And it's like, I feel like a soul's going to be able to tell you whether or not they love a thing. It's going to be them. That seems to be the running trend. It's like, you will like this and if you don't like it, or in this case, no, you don't like it. We're supposed to be the ones that do that. We're supposed to be the naughty lads who say, hey, no feelings allowed, but they will openly be like, you do not feel this way. You're like, oh. Yeah. We're constantly hated for the things that the people who hate us say. It's an odd world. Yeah. Da, da, da, da, da, da. It's but a wonderful world nonetheless. Let me see a boot. Yeah, I think things are going to, all right, we're going to, let me set up this watch together. I'm going to jump right into it. You know, instead of, don't we delay in people? You realize, once we cover one video, we'll be through most of the stream anyway, so we've got to be quick with this shit. We've got to be like, hey. Wow, so it's a five minute video? Sick. Oh, if only, right. And yeah, I guess chat, everyone keeps saying wolf cameo. No product, so the thumbnail was made by a fan who had no idea what was happening in this stream, so he's on the front of it, okay? Like that wasn't, like that. You have to do what the thumbnail says. It goes the same for literally like anything, be it the blasted pipeman, Mr. Tonald, or Walt, things will go the way they go. No promises for anything, because you know how everything can fall apart suddenly. It wasn't planned, that Shad would be here, he just burst in, he paid four managers, and he just went, he didn't want me anymore. He forced himself in, he said he couldn't come in, and he said, no. No. I'm coming in anyway. See, that's the thing, you can actually, you can use that sound and attach it to anything that kind of ends that way, and then go further with it. Like when you're cooking with dough. Dough, and we'll see what I can do. Tic-tac, three in a row. Oh, guys, it got it all. And then you say, exactly, we got it. Lightning McQuaid. McQuaid. McQuaid. I don't think that's that one. Citizen Kane. Oh, Citizen Kane. We watched that recently, didn't we? Yeah, we did. We didn't tell anyone. I was going to, I alluded to it, because I was, I was feeling the, I was feeling the room, which is mostly, which is really just me kind of soft asking you if we needed to talk about it. But yeah, we saw Citizen Kane and it was pretty good. I liked it. I haven't seen it since I was a young man because I remember my sister had to watch it for her media studies and I was in the room just like, this is old. Look at it. It's so ugly and old. Boo. Back in 1941, I watched it as a young man. It's the black and white. It's about old people. I would recommend people will give it a look. I think it's pretty good. Hot take. It's pretty good. I don't know if that's a hot take in this, in this. Are we allowed to say that it's okay? Is that, is that one of the opinions we're allowed to have about this cinema? I feel like that we're dealing with a movie that is pretty well liked, you know, or at least by, by the correct people, you know, the interlocutals, they think it's good. Yeah. We'll be right. You're definitely not allowed to not like it. Oh, I think with that, you'll be able to get this video started unless you have anything that any of you guys wanted to talk about. Come, yum. Yeah. Yeah. That is right there. Sorry. A little giggle was weird. My bad. Okay. You go. Australian stand to go. Ho, ho, ho. Oh my God. What the fuck am I looking at? Oh, I guess. Oh, once again, what's together have changed the fucking Tism son. I got to change it for the screen. Well, you know, Oh my God. At the same time, I can inform you as to this character. It is, it is Jim Stirling's like, sort of affluent ruler of royalty character that the idea with the character is whenever someone says, say, say, for example, something really snooty about video games and elitist or something, he'll, he'll, he'll read the quote out as this person. So hang on. Is it racist if a white person does white face? Um, I don't think so. That's totally fine. Same as a black person does black face, right? That's also cool. But do we know if Jim is white? Oh, yes. Well, I think white people are racist. I mean, the white face is pretty relevant. What if he was wearing white face this whole time? Do we know, do we know what gender he is portraying himself as? I believe a male. Okay. I guess he's supposed to be role-playing as some super highfalutin French monarch royalty type. Well, well, if he's not a highfalutin French monarch, that's just French monarch appropriation racist. And it's appropriation. And I mean, if you're going to act something, you need to be that thing. Otherwise, you know, what are all the French monarch actors going to do? I feel like they wouldn't think it's very funny themselves. No. It would be all of the upsets. But, you know, by the way, I feel like, yeah, I feel like I have a duty to be offended on behalf of the other people who sort of kind of look like me. This is called the muscle. Well, muscles of the apocalypse. So who knows what the, the subject of the arms are fucking insane. No, then no. I'm going to lose. I'm just here for the ride, I guess. It's too hot. Justin, Justin, it's too hot. My face is melting away. My face is melting away. Like the wicked witch of the West. Also, I have no idea if that's copyright or not because he doesn't do a monetization sound. Well, I mean, yeah, if you want to skip to, it's kind of long, so. Oh, no, I think this is going to be, he does like short ones. And I'm muted, by the way, so. We're fine. I've noticed that that fall guys is a very good game. And I know that some brands have noticed it's not only good, but also quite terrible, and I'm like, it's 50-50. Some of the games on it work. Some of them really don't. Jay's video sums it up pretty perfectly. Yeah. So yeah, that's the, I don't know what else to say about that. He likes fall guys a lot, though. He wants, I think he wants to have like his own little Jim Stirling fallout dude in there. Also, the idea of, can you imagine, look at that, look at that Walmart. I want to, I figure what a lot of people probably want to do is once they get off their eight hour shift at Walmart, they want to go home and play fall guys and not have to take off their uniform. They want to proudly sport the Walmart vest wherever they go. Because working at Walmart isn't just a job. It's a lifestyle. Absolutely. Like where they got on the train late. They want to get in on the ground floor. The brands are thirsty, thirsty for fall guys. And I want in, I mean, it's not even for promotion or money or anything. I just really like attention. So can we have, I mean, you know, it would appeal to, you know, 0.3% if you play a base and the rest of them, the ones who hate me, you don't even have to tell them it's me. Anyway, do you remember the Last of Us Part 2? The game that came out like 10,000 years ago. Well, some people haven't forgotten. Well, there's a particular aspect of the game they haven't forgotten and haven't. I think there's a lot of parts of that game that people haven't forgotten. I feel like you're already on the wrong track here. Oh, there's just that one thing people can't get out of their heads. Theo, say hello, you know. Because you see. I just said hello. You're going to do it louder. They can't hear you. Hello. Fine. Hello out there. Greatest test. Hello. Um, you've not missed anything yet. We're about to discover the, the subject matter of the video. He was just doing a full guys ad at first. Oh boy. I've got a few guesses from the title. There are muscles in the Last of Us Part 2. It, to be fair, it does make sense to me why he would be afraid of the idea of muscles. I'm still confused on what the video's about. Because he's morbidly obese. We're starting. We're starting with. I thought there was fall guys for a second. Well, that was, he just likes fall guys. So the, we're starting, we're opening with people are afraid of, of like, this is, this comes back. Hasn't there been like a few statements about this in different properties where, the directors or producers or writers or whatever they're like, they're afraid of the women being strong. It's like, you can chill out. Yeah, that's definitely it. We're, we're afraid of strong women. They just want to take it to the nth degree in the opposite direction straight. And then there's already been like, first of all, if you want to convince anybody like, good start, we're afraid of her. Okay. Tell me how I feel. Always endearing to hear. And some of the comments I've been receiving whenever I've talked about this wonderful little topic have been so incredible. They could only be delivered to you. Wow. Actual comments that I've got. Literally, he could make these up and I believe him because you get comments. Anything. Anything. Internet. Internet. Is this a case where he's going to find, you know, sift through the comments to find the one or two utterly outrageous ones and then present them as the majority on the feedback. This is the thing. You can fucking find anything. You can find someone in my Star Wars videos like section talking about the gardening. Like it'll be there in someone. For any statement, there is some idiot talking about it in YouTube comments. For any statement that exists. I wonder if you can find someone saying I fear strong women. If you can, if you can just get that one. Aristocrat. The character design of Abby sucks. And the majority of gamers agree. I mean, what do they mean by character design? Yeah. Yeah. Her personality, the construction of her journey. The way that she's a fucking walking flesh tank. Oh, characters. Talking about just like her appearance, right? Well, character design. Couldn't that be aesthetic or writing? I've used, I've seen, I see it used primarily with reference to like physical traits. Well, I mean, before he gets onto it, I'll just say like the hyper muscle, Abby is like problem 206 on my list for the last was to like, yeah, it's annoying and stupid and silly, but like whatever, I'm more distracted by all the other issues. The, but yeah, like a lot of people, I think may have focused too hard on it. So it may have distracted from the actual issues and all the bigger issues in the game rather. To, I think this is a fair categorization at this point of people, like people really hate Abby, right? Oh yeah. They are going in to find everything about Abby that one could possibly hate or dislike or pick apart in any sense. Because that's what you do when you don't like something in media. And when it's an aesthetic thing, it's really easy to hone in on because it's so unmissable. Yeah, it's kind of huge. Yeah, really hard to not see her and be like, holy shit, that is a huge person. Well, I mean, because I didn't know a lot about a lot of this and you can see in my play through when I first see her, I'm just like, whoa, okay. Nice, I guess. And then once you spend more time and see more of, because there's this, several points in the game with it like enormous, because sometimes they look a little better and then there's some promotional art. She doesn't even look like she has hypermuscle arms. Some of them look kind of normal. It's kind of weird. But then you're like, wait, this is a post-apocalypse. How are you doing this? And obviously all the natural questions start to flow in. But I guess we'll let him get to those himself. Also, I don't think it's... Oh, sorry, what? Yeah, I was just going to say, I don't think it's just about the arms either because it's how they frame the entire design of a character because in the traditional sense, when you first see her, she doesn't look like the conventional figure that a woman has. And you can have really muscular women that look like the conventional type that you can have a muscly girl that looks really hot, basically, and they certainly didn't go that way with it. So I don't think saying guys have a problem with girls with muscles. That's not true. It's also the way it's executed. This is kind of what I'm forgetting out here. A lot of people reference Sarah Connor. She goes through her... her ordeal in Terminator 1 and then by 2, we see that she's been training and exercising muscle tisms all over the place. And she's bound by real life. So she can't look like... She can't get Arnie muscles. I don't even know that it's possible. She would have to do some crazy stuff to be able to pull it off. Not that Abby has Arnie muscles exactly, but there's certainly a size that makes everyone go, wait, what? Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, there's an element of realism because it's just a biological fact that women have more difficulty putting on muscle mass than men. And so... I know. Isn't that a horrible thing to say? But this is... I know, I'm up in Spanish now for saying reality, but if you had a guy in a post-pocket setting who was just as jacked, you wouldn't question it nearly as much because men can put on muscle mass a lot easier. But when you have a girl, she's like, oh, that's... it's not out of the realm of possibility, but it's very exceptional. And I raise the question, okay, how is that? Because usually, for that level of muscle mass to be achieved in the real world, there are some exceptional conditions or supplements that need to be taken. I would still call bullshit if we saw an Arnold Schwarzenegger type in The Last of Us 2. I'd be like, come on, how, what's going on there? Apart from the scenario, there's not enough nutrition, I would say. Well, even if there were, I would call it like they're fucking wasting it. Like, you're building a body that enormous. You're probably eating three people's meals per day. Like, what are you doing? And it takes a lot to maintain that as well. Having to spend a lot of the time A in the gym and B resting that isn't, you know, doing things that are necessary to have a community survive and expand necessarily. Crying and waning you do will change that. Yeah. Sorry that I don't like unattractive people. What's weird are that these are the least snooty comments on the internet, I could imagine. Yeah, I was waiting for... I was expecting something a little bit more scathing than these. These are very, you know, meh. Yeah, these seem to be extremely mundane comments. Certainly nothing that I would associate with elitism. Yeah, and I was also making me wonder to what level could you fault someone for not finding something attractive. Look at this man. Hey. This is pinnacle humanity. Okay, we worked hard to get here. People, I don't like a muscular woman. What the hell is wrong with that statement? What's wrong with that? I don't like muscular women. It's a turn off. What's wrong with that? I don't know. Maybe some people have bought into the lie that beauty comes in every size. But this person's clearly making it a personal preference, which is totally fine. I don't understand. What's wrong with this? I just want to take the conversation further and say, okay, then what's your point? But of course we're talking about random YouTube comments from random people that he's regurgitating, so... Who cares? It's a turn off. Those arms are realistic. On a man! Sure, women can bulk up like this, but in reality it's far less common than large breasts. I can confirm I've been outside, so yeah, I can... Sounds about right. Some of this stuff I'm just like, alright then. Some of these things is like him trying to repeat fairly normal comments in a dumb way, but it's like, the sun shines with light during the day. How silly is that? This is the thing, not only could he have found worse comments, I guarantee you there's worse comments than this. There's gotta be. Really cruel things, rather than weird mean is the most you could say about some of these, but most of the people saying them sound like they're like, this is what I like, this is what I don't like. Whatever! I was never in the target demographic of this game! Community not aimed at men! Okay, so whenever, so when they say when they say that something wasn't meant for you, which is something I hear every once in a while, this game wasn't meant for you, this movie wasn't meant for you, this thing wasn't meant for you, so when somebody says, oh I guess this game wasn't meant for me, now that's elitist? It's generally not elitist to say something wasn't meant for you, or is it, I don't know, what are the rules? The famous quote from Rilasa, this movie wasn't made for you, you'd be like, okay. It apparently wasn't made for Fringy or J. Longbone either. That movie wasn't made for anybody. That movie was made for the one person who just happened to have an Oprah Winfrey connection. I can't believe she was in that movie. Brickland type, everyone, go watch it. It's a It's a rollercoaster. Men who like feminine women. Reiston! Reiston! I decide what is the cut, well, individuals do decide. That is, yeah. I mean, if you want to be super anal and say people don't really decide what they find attractive, I think we know what you mean, but yeah, everyone gets to say what they do and do not find attractive. I'm telling you, man. Once the shoe is on the other foot, they totally abandon all of the stances that they have in a fucking heartbeat. Sexy! Alright, I'm sorry about that. He's trying so hard to make these comments sound dumb. Like, really, really hard. Yeah, it's just people's opinions. I just can't really do anything with any of this. Yeah, of course not. I'm sure we're getting some content any minute now. Again, sorry. You got any more? I did not need to see Jim Sterling having another. May I have another? I guess people really find that hilarious. Well, I think he's trying to do a macho man Randy Savage impression here because he's into wrestling, but it doesn't fit at all. Jim Sterling just use virility. Over-the-top characterization can absolutely work when you, you know, pull it off and apply it in the right way. Just look at Monty Python, but he's really missing a mark because... Don't you know, more yelling means more funny. Ghostbusters told us that. Oh, yes. Oh, boy. You're going to hit play and he's going to do it again, isn't he? Yeah. The things that the gamers decide to be upset about will never not be fascinating. When I talk about the ways in which games are deliberately designed to manipulate and play upon people, I'm told I'm beating a dead horse, even though... Alright, to be fair, Last of Us 2 is one of the most manipulative games I've ever seen. Oh, you mean marketing-wise? Yeah. You do them on marketing-wise? No, not marketing-wise. Like, emotionally. Oh! I mean, I would say both, right? Yeah. It's absolutely false advertising. What they did... You know, they probably would have done it for the Force Awakens if they could have. Like, say, when Ray met Luke, she saw him on the thing, then they went inside and talked for about one minute and then the credits happened. We would have seen, it's the equivalent of showing that at different shots and half the trailer is just shots of Luke and then Luke grabbing the lightsaber through the air and just artificially throwing him in places and I feel like people wouldn't have put up with that for Star Wars. It would have been big enough that it would have caused a huge controversy. And the fact that it's a movie, I feel like movies are still kind of more... I think more people would have gotten upset about it. Gamers have a tendency to be very forgiving with a lot of stuff. I hadn't even seen, when people were referencing it, I was just like, you know, like, what did they do exactly? Whoa, this is... Oof, that's big, that's big oof. Smytism. Also, yeah, I don't mind Jim Sterling quote-unquote beating a dead horse with loot boxes. I feel like we need people constantly banging that door. It's the only thing stopping them from getting way, way worse, because there was the thing with... Battlefront 2, right? That was like a huge moment where everyone was like, okay, the hand has gone really far down the cookie jar now, and you can't even get it out. So, everyone got pissed. Have you guys seen where the new Marvel game is hitting? The Avengers one, with the prep work for all the micro-transactions, they're going to sink into that thing? Yeah, and the... That's the one that has the pre-order bonuses for like your internet service provider? Horizon Special Tins! Yes, I get the fucking Comcast DLC bundle for free, as long as I sign up for a one-year plane with Comcast. Comcast skins, like, fuck yeah. Mom, I need a Comcast thing! Fine, because the game looks mad at best, so... Yeah, well, I mean... Well, that's because you didn't get the Unlimited Collector's Comcast Edition bundle service. That's... I've said it before. You have to elevate your game. We'll go wait. Why would they even like... Oh, the idea that you're like, my team's Verizon, it's like... Oh, no. Iron Man, fire the Verizon laser. You almost feel the boardroom full of out-of-touch old people in suits, like, coming out of it. I mean, it's only acceptable to root and attach yourself to corporations when they play a sport. We haven't normally gone to IFPs yet, but it's nice that, you know, we're branching out as consumers. That DLC is the exact type of thing that someone would make in a parody video to mock the concept of DLC. It's real life, right? We're through the looking glass now. It's unbelievable. Is there even... I haven't seen the boys in a while now. Is there, like, a superhero that has ads on their suit? Because that's just... you need that now. They need to do it in Season 2. Rooster Gold is the classic one. It's from DC Universe. Superhero that always promotes and has, you know, sponsorships and things. Green Lantern, but he just puts ads everywhere. Like, everywhere. Well, he, like, shines them at people. Yeah. Eventually, superhero characters are just gonna turn into, like, NASCAR, you know, cars where they're just covered in nothing but logos and ads. Everything from Gideon 409 to Drano to scrubbing bubbles. And I watched that, like, a year ago or so, yeah. Yes, Mystery Man has it. This is the thing. They need to do it in Boy Season 2 now, because they're actually... life-imitating art is too late. You have to actually catch up with life. You've made fun of it enough. It's like, oh, shit. Oh, I'm looking forward to Boy Season 2. Mm-hmm. Yes, sir. I hope it's as good as the first or even better. The most predatory monetization. In fact, it's only gotten worse, but I'm the one beating the dead horse. Hello, Appabend. Howdy. Alorams. Hello, hello. Zooming. When was the last time you were on EFAP? It was in the 20s or 30s. I have no idea why I'm on EFAP trailers even at all, because I was barely on EFAP. Well, you've left a depression. Impression on people. I don't necessarily tell the artists that I get to make them exactly who should be on what. They get to decide it. Maybe you just made an impression. Yeah, when I saw the trailer for EFAP, the moment when I saw my head, my old head and old avatar, and I was like that meme with Leo on... I once put a time in Hollywood pointing at the screen. That's me right there. Oh, did you see the Super meme, the big one? Yeah, I saw it. The one with the endgame. Yeah, I saw that. That was pretty insane. We don't... Well, yeah, so everyone in chat who doesn't know about that, you will eventually, through Mula, you'll find out about it. But if you go to EFAP.me and look for the... Let me find out what it's called. Seriously, holy shit. It's basically a meme that even all the people you know made... Where is it? Christmas versus Halloween? No, that's not it. Meme videos. EFAP 100 Collab meme. Yeah. Made by Meme Repository, Creamy Sheave, Zed, E-Man Gameplay, Spook, Amusing Moose, Play Creations, Gryth Phoenix, Source Rex. That's the Spooderman guy. Little Potato, Souls Hammer, Goga, Omega Ridley, Little Kim. Apparently that's for music credits. Kim? So it's findable on there. We may have recorded a reaction to it already and you'll see it eventually. That shit is mind-blowing. You know your show is good when you have a database of memes. The meme quality is like Hollywood left. Yeah. The meme is so good. You have an entire website on it. No, your meme can't even compare. Yeah, they're trying to keep up. Um, all right. Wait, so yeah, you got the link to the watch together, I assume. Yep. Sweet. Using their positions of power and authority to mentally and physically harm others, I'm shouted down for being too political. Seriously. Well, no, that's different. Well, why would it... I know you're one of those weird fucking people who think everything's political, but like, you talking about loot boxes, that's not what... If you just talked about loot boxes, people wouldn't say you're being too political. I've never heard a song call that political. When you're being political, people say you're being too political. Yeah, he really leans into the anti-capitalism stuff lately that I've been noticing. But when he's just defending the consumer, he does a good job. Oh, absolutely. I mean, this content creator, but this isn't a new thing. He really always has. He's always like, sometimes he goes really far with a... And he pisses people off with ratings or what so well as well. He gave Sidious Sacrifice a one. He gave it a one. That was my game of that year. I adored Sidious Sacrifice. His logic was there was a game-breaking bug, and it got... He encountered an astronomically rare bug. He's like, ah, the game's one out of ten. I'm a professional game reviewer. I'm so fucking good at this. I'm going to mock elitist people. Yeah. It's a weird one, but like I said, I've never heard of someone say like, stop shitting on loot boxes and microtransactions. You're getting all political. I'd be like, what? Yeah, he's trying to lump it all together and he wants to mock people who say, please don't get political. I just want to play video games. Which, you know, leads all over the place, the degrees of it. I'm in that camp. I'm like, if I don't want to hear about politics, I hear about them everywhere. I want to play video games. Just want to play my video games. Just want to grill. But by the clammy, wet hands of God, so help us all. When it comes to a woman in a mushroom zombie video game, having bigger pains. Holy shit, it's insane. The reason it happened, I assume, is because her gameplay is very punchy. She like beats the shit out of zombies. And, you know, I'll admit, I think Angry Joe said this too. It can be pretty fun. You just fucking hulk out and just beat the shit out of not only people, but zombies too, obviously both. And so how do you justify that in a game that's supposed to be grounded in realistic? It's like, well, let's give her fucking bulky ass arms. Let's do it. Can we make that a thing in universe? It's like, ooh, that'll be tough. And they do give an attempt, but it's not enough, and I think Jim will go over it. We'll talk about it as it comes up. Arms. It'll be an outrage that burns for months on end. Abby, in The Last of Us Part 2, is proving to be one of the most controversial videos. See her arms there kind of look like almost normal. Yeah, it doesn't look like that. Isn't that like a promo image or something? Yeah, that was from like the first trailer, I think. Yeah, that's what I mean. It depends on which part you're talking about. Because something that he does sort of do it on Twitter is he'll throw up the most normal looking photo of her arms and be like, people are complaining about this. And it's like, well, no. Other stuff. Wait, scratch that. Abby, in The Last of Us Part 2, is proving to be one of the most non-traversial video game characters. Also, controversial? Dude, this game is extremely controversial. Well, this is what I mean. I fucking hate it. It has to be disingenuous as hell to pretend that this is what people are talking about as a whole about Last of Us 2. Yeah, and it's problem number 206. So, the screen that we have right here, right? If you were to show this picture to a person who knew nothing about the game or anything and you showed them that picture, what gender would they think they look like? I'm just throwing that out there. What would be their first impression? I think you'd get a toss-up of answers. I think so too. Yeah, it's not a feminine woman. It comes across as a feminine... It comes across as a man with a feminine face in some aspects. If I was putting money on it or going to kill me and I have to choose one of the answers, I'd probably go with girl. I'd be like, I think I'd be more likely to stick my life on girl. See, if I was seeing this for the first time, I would think, alright, those arms with some muscle on them. So, I would then naturally equate the bulges at the chest as pecs. And I would probably say, it's a guy with a bit of a, you know, narrow jaw. And so, if Jim is wondering why a lot of guys don't find Abbey attractive, that's exactly why. Well, he's already covered it. There was a little comment that was just like, yeah, I'm not into that. And I'm not saying everyone. I'm saying just most guys, because there is actually a conventional beauty standard. In fact, you could even call it an objective standard that most guys, not everyone I'm saying, but most guys generally find attractive. And it's actually, there are biologically objective standard. Yeah. Well, shape, well, yeah. Shape tips is what I'm talking about. There's a common ratio and stuff. Common. Yeah. And so, I think that's called a bitchy archie. Yeah. Like I said, I would be pushed into saying, maybe it's because I've played the game that it's harder for me to like say exactly what I'd say. First impression, but it's like, yeah, it's a really fit girl, apparently. Like she's, and if you like post-apocalypse we're like, oh, okay. It's, like I said, there's more shots where I had a picture of it before, but her arm is like twice the size of what it looks like right now in some shots. And it's just like, holy fuck. How did you do it? Of all time. To ordinary human beings with some sort of purpose in life for at least more than one hobby, Abby is a protagonist in a video game. To the gamers T.M. You know the ones I mean. She represents the downfall of the gaming medium. Well, hang on. The gaming medium is falling down because of Abby. It's certainly not because of her character appearance. If somebody wanted to make the comment story of the game for the most part how shitty it is. And if they were to point to all the examples that we've discovered for sure over the past like two plus, well, since we talk about what is the genesis of it and ah, terminate a genesis off and the genesis of it. But there's a couple of other further examples. But like if someone was like, yeah, that's just indicative of the downfall of writing, I wouldn't actually I'd be okay with that. I'd be like, yeah. I'd say this is definitely part of the rot. But people wanting a thing and not making it work actually in the material I mean, it's staggering how many properties have been destroyed under the guys of but it's but the themes though I think they even I don't think they even wanted the theme though because I think he wanted to I think he wanted to do something different than just a revenge story, but I don't know, man. I don't know what it was going for because it's such a jumbled mess. I don't know what it wanted been over the the theme itself just just fighting itself so cycles of violence. That's what it was going for. Okay. Yes, but no make of the rest of it what you will also I don't recall anybody wanting to play as Abby. No, that's probably why they kept her out of all the trailers. That's why they lied to you. Yes. Yes. The play testers were probably like this is garbage and painful and boring or a lot of them were and then they were like which by the way she's a force protagonist. Not cool. Okay. I don't know how else to say it. I don't know if Jim's made a video about that but you'd expect him to but I feel like this is a game that he can attack. Well, I think it was Smiler who mentioned remember the Battlefield which was the controversial Battlefield again. Battlefield 5. The last one which they have stopped supporting by the way I've been playing Battlefield 1 a lot recently. There's been an uptick in servers just in the last couple weeks as I've gone back to it. I've seen more and more servers kind of popping up for it and Battlefield 4 is still swinging with people like everyone's just gone back to the good Battlefield. Yeah, it was fucking awesome. It is awesome. Was that the Battlefield which was the one that got super fixed over time? It launched a bit tismy and they added a shit. That's Battlefield 4. Battlefield 4 launched really badly but it eventually became insanely good where it is now. I just got burned out on it. I have like 1600 plus hours in Battlefield 4 so I can't really go back to it so I play Battlefield 1 now because it's just different. It's great. Is anyone still playing Bad Company 2? I do not know. Battlefield Bad Company 2 is good stuff. Battlefield Bad Company 2 is good stuff. We got to ask the question ranks. Well, Shadow, have you answered this yet? Christmas versus Halloween? Nice segue. Yeah, I know. It just came to me. What question is this? Which is better Christmas or Halloween? I already know what your answer is going to be. Well, I mean that question is rather odd. Because it's plain to see beyond any doubt that Halloween is the retarded inbred cousin simping beta cuck to the alpha chat that is Christmas. Halloween is the festering pussy boil on the otherwise pristine shining ass of Christmas. Halloween is Shepard's Pie made with crap where Christmas is the glorious spaghetti bolognese. Halloween is Captain Marvel where Christmas is the dawn. I'd rather be tied to a pole and have a horde of rats eat off my balls while having Cardi B's music injected into my ears, interspersed with Brie Glass and giving me a lecture on my toxic masculinity with movie Bob doing a strip tease in front of me that only get Halloween in Moon of Christmas. Words cannot express the exalted wondrous glory that is the greatest holiday of all time space and existence which is Christmas. Peace on Earth and goodwill to men bitches. I like Halloween though. So, um, I agree. So I like Christmas. I'm with you on the Christmas. Christmas is definitely the best holiday. Good. I do like Halloween though. I mean, yeah, what did Halloween do to you Shepard? Yeah, I feel like Halloween really you saw really Harry Coffin in it. Was that saved? How did you do it so well? We're screaming this. This is not prerecorded. Wow, that's uh, that's pretty Yeah, I think you got something, you got it out for Halloween. I don't know. I mean, I hate it. I hate it to love it. I mean, it is still free candy. Yeah. Well, it's my, it's because people are trying to have Halloween challenge Christmas and if something challenges Christmas. Oh, yeah, I know. The fucking audacity. I know, it's a clear winner from the get go, but people still do it. I can't hold back. Hop a bed. Which one do you think is better? Well, I'm glad we asked Shepard. Which one has more anime titties? That's a good question, actually. Oh, Christmas. Is that true? I don't know. Christmas? Really? Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. No, I'd say it's Halloween. Why? Yeah. Explain yourself. Why? He demands to know. I mean, I don't know. It's very simple. Which one gives you more anime titties? How do you know that Halloween is the one that does that? Oh, I don't know. You know, we have an internet. The amount never changes. It just goes more and more as time goes on. Yeah, but Christmas is a very wholesome day, though. Halloween is very crazy and wild. What's wrong with wholesome breasts? There's nothing wrong with wholesome. There's nothing wrong with being wholesome. I think we should disqualify this answer. So the question becomes what do you prefer, Christmas? That it just ends. Why, though? Because you don't like Christmas? Because you don't like me picking Halloween? No, I like Halloween. Halloween is great. No, I like both. I like both. Christmas is all right. I'll tussle Christmas's hair. Good job. I mean, like, all Halloween you try. I'm holding back. I'm holding back. That five hour period that one night that often happens on a school night that people kind of sort of care about you a little bit. The meme for, like, EFAP 200 will be this hyper-animated, like, war between Christmas and Halloween. So anyway, back to Jimson. AWs have taken over video games by erasing attractive women and replacing them with attractive women. She is, in their perpetually self-martiring world view, yet another example of I don't know if I call her attractive. If I am the beholded sort of shit, then because all he's doing is the same in the reverse, right? If he has an issue with... And I don't think people... Can we, like, I don't care. Can we move on to the actual problem? I don't really care to touch that with a barge pole. It's like, is Abby conventionally attractive or not? I'm like, why is this why you... I don't think so, no. It's just so stupid that they all boil it down in the books of the characters, even though that's not the problem at all. He would argue that he's been drawn into it by these trolls and I'd be like, so what are you doing then? Why don't you refocus the conversation? You're like, no, I got several comments that said, yeah, I don't like it when women look like that myself and he's like, oh! He's like, oh, I have to defend those massive muscular women by saying that they are actually very beautiful or something. He's totally fine to find it, but it's like, it's so weird. I know this video gets to other topics, but it's just like, all right. I think it does play a role, the appearance of the character. It's not going to be the thing that will break the movie because if Abby was a truly enjoyable character and the gameplay was fine, people will probably still enjoy it and things, but it does play a part. One of the reasons why Tomb Raider was so popular early back in the day, was that it had a really hot main character and so those things can actually attract a wider audience at times because when a guy or a girl when you're playing a video game, if you get to watch someone attractive doing all the cool stuff, that can be an extra enjoyable thing that you can enjoy out of it, but it won't be like I said, it's not the thing that destroys it either. If it's still a good game people can enjoy playing a really ugly character and have a great game as well. It would be interesting if the writing was almost airtight and the payoffs were the kind of things that the audience wanted and still the game was half Abby and she looked exactly the same. I wonder what people would be saying. Yeah, barely mention it. I mean, most people say that Fat Geralt is hyper hot, so you know. He's hot. He's like a daddy, man. That's what I'm saying. I want him to hunt me into a garage door. He's a bear. So like what's going on there? What's going on? He's just because he He's the hero in the story. That's why he is. All gamers, straight little white boys are being ignored. Oh boy, that's racist. My bisexual ass that has a huge problem with Abby's gargantuan monster arms and yeah, but you are white and that's the problem. You see, he can literally target you for your sexuality and your race and it's totally fine. I think that lesbian black women just need to fucking chill out, you know. I can't say that. So interesting how it works. In favour of the non real gamers, anyone who isn't a straight little white boy, in short, Abby is the final bigger than that in many portions of the game. It's weird. Aerith games, bro. A huge portion of the Why use Aerith when Tifa has more games? Tifa's the one with the black hair, right? Yeah. Tifa's the one that actually punched people and more attractive than Aerith. Aerith's the magic girl. I haven't played the fucking games. I just seen the pictures. That's all I need. I look at them pictures. He hasn't played in 17. This was asked on a super chat. What? Someone has asked me if I think Tifa or Aerith is more attractive. It was clearly Tifa. Do you agree, Apa? What do you think not? Yeah. At least we can be on the same page on that, Rags. Yeah. Aerith is super basic looking Yeah. Wait, you've done a wrong probably. I don't know. Jim Steele is going to make a video. It's rooted in something so utterly pitifully simple. They don't like that an unconventionally attractive woman dared to be a playable character. Non-conventionally ugly. No, no, no, no. Because he just said that. Yeah, he said it. No, he said it, so wait a minute. Non-conventionally attractive. Yeah, ugly. It's so obvious that he couldn't even dance around it. Dude, I am fine with sticking to the idea. If he says, like, oh, just you're being absurd, she's just not conventionally attractive. I'd be like, okay, that's fine. If that's the categorization you ought to go with, I'm fine with it, but I'm just surprised that he said it. Yeah. I thought he was fighting that throughout this video, but okay. I know. That seems really categorization that the comments he was reading out were saying that they didn't find her attractive. Like, I don't think anyone would care if they didn't already hate Abby. Yeah, I don't think they would either. Yeah, it's actually really strangely ripped for some weird reason. I think they would have liked her more on top of that if she was more conventionally hot. I mean, yeah. I mean, with all things being equal. Just think about it. Did anything happen earlier in the game that would have made her as biased against her? Can you guys think of anything? Certainly not by design because that would be really an odd design choice. Yeah, like, it's not like they intended to make you hate her. And then had to play fetch to make you like, although it's not something they did right now. That's a different game. Is that what you're referring? Yes, the time she talked to Owen on the boat where people had to save me. Oh, jeez. In a mainstream video game, and that is literally it for the vast majority of them, oh, they'll dress it up. The Wing Chun little lads who are still weeks after launch trying to invalidate that not person to share it. Just share the screenshot then, crop it out. What's the issue with that? Also, I need context. Was this person hang on, I'll let him go a bit further forward and make this point because there's a larger point to be made about this disco because I hate this framing like the discussions we've been having about the last of us on any EFAP the majority like 99.9% of it has nothing to do with her muscles. There's so much to talk about in terms of stupid. I just don't care about her muscles. Seriously, there's plenty more I would much rather talk about with regards to the game. Well, though, could I ask a question on there because we are kind of all talking about the whole Abbey appearance thing. I haven't played it, but I've heard a lot of the commentary for things and I know I don't plan to play it either. But you guys, you know more than ever, right? Does the game seem to try and push a message or a thing that is almost subliminally telling the player that they should be attracted to Abbey? Because there is a sex scene. They do have the sex scene. That's the thing that comes to mind first. They do have the sex scene, yes. The sex scene is super fucking awkward. Yeah, I have not seen it. They have not done that. The sex scene doesn't help. It's also completely unnecessary, the sex scene. You might be like, well, what's a necessary sex scene? We could talk about that, but certainly not the one we had. It's just really uncomfortable. It's really weird. I have not seen a single reaction to that scene that's positive. Every single reaction has been the same as most video games. That's just really uncomfortable. I think most people who love the game would still be like, all right, that was okay. I don't know about that. I feel bad for all the console gamers who have to put everything on speakers. That's when the parents come in the room to ask. I don't know. I think the console gamers might win on this one because all of the people who play Lost of Us 2 are never mind. What I was going for was the fact that it wasn't as high definition and clear. I just like, did you see the beavers like, are you winning, son? This is the little people on a chair. He turns around to that scene. No, I'm losing it horribly. The reason why I ask is that there has been a kind of a big push in recent years of almost shaming guys for liking attractive women. And so that's what I wonder. I suspect that there might be an even stronger backlash to Abby's appearance. That might not have even existed say if a character that looked like Abby appeared in say the 80s or 90s, but a stronger backlash now where it seems like it's an additional almost dog piling on the things like, no, you're not allowed to be attracted to conventionally attractive women. We're going to throw this in your face and you will like her and here's a sex scene just to show you that you should like this. It's weird because when you look at like Sarah Connor and Ripley they're not hot. You know, they're kind of like, yeah, especially Ripley. Ripley is a pretty she's not ugly. She's not attractive. She's just very average looking, you know, and she's one of the most beloved female characters in media. I think I think they have the potential to be hot though. So like if they put makeup on and other things like that. Yeah, but if you need makeup to be hot then but it's like no one cares. You know, no one ever talks about how hot Ripley is. Oh, I've heard it. There's a lot of guys that, you know, okay, well, they're weird, but it's not it's not generally her per physical attractiveness that people are like, yeah, she's so awesome and amazing and you know, one of the greatest on a scale of one to 10, on a scale of one to 10, what would you rate Ripley as? Probably on a five is average looking, you know, I would happily rate higher than that myself. Yeah, like I think if I'm being critical, a seven but for some guys, I reckon she reaches a nine or 10 but, you know, yeah, I think she's, you know, a very comfortable, comfortable middle middle road, fairly just average looking person in terms of attractiveness. Well, that's the interesting thing there. There's so much personal difference that comes into when you're in this kind of ballpark, if you have, you know, a girl that's healthy and fit, then they usually have the potential to reach a nine or a 10 for anyone, depending on that, those preferences and for other people, they could very well be a five. I will say her character is like 11 out of 10, which probably helps boost it quite a bit. Oh yeah, absolutely, undoubtedly. She's great. Ripley is great. So throwing that question back to you, Molo, is that element in the game? Like, is there almost a preachy undertone of saying you should feel bad for being attracted to conventionally attracted women and you should be attracted to this? I didn't necessarily get that. Most of the girls are much more conventional compared to Abby. I think Abby's like the only one that's like Schwarzenegger sort of thing. Is the only sex scene with her in it, or is there other one? I don't think there is any. Oh no wait, there is, you see the beginning and end of the one with Ally and Dina? They fade to black there, but why didn't they fade to black? That's interesting. Why did they fade to black? I don't know. So for those, yeah, that's what I think. For those people who feel like this is there is a preachy undertone, a stronger backlash against her appearance because of that very reason they don't want to feel preached to or shamed, and that might be, yeah, an explanation of the larger backlash. Just thoughts on having to be on it. We'll try to tell you it's not about something so surface level, but it is. People hate Abby because she's reasonably muscular. Okay, okay. Really? Of the last person on the face of the planet to tell me what's reasonably muscular. Also, people hate it because I'm careful. There's essays on why Abby is hateable. If someone said first point, her muscles, I'd be like, you're not being honest. That's not even close to why people fucking despise this character. Why would you despise somebody for having muscles? That's a weird point compared to their character. Because some people want muscles and they can't get them and they don't want to put the effort necessary into it. So they're jealous of the fact somebody else actually went through the work and the time and the effort. That might be a reason. On a scale of one to ten, how much of a problem is Abby's muscles for the rest of you? What? I mean, it's just like this. It's weird. Definitely not in the top aspects. It's just one of the things on the pile. Honestly, for me, the muscles actually that's not a thing. If I was to rate it on a physical attractive thing, it would be the lack of chest and the lack of figure and the lack of hips. You can have a girl who has muscles on them and if you give them a figure and stuff like that, a lot of guys are still going to find them very hot. It's not the muscles. I generally don't think that. If I was going to be transformed into a lady in the witch who is casting the spell, because that's the scenario that I'm inventing for this. They're like, oh, witch, what body would you like? Little dairy? Little, like, hey, hey. And she'd cackle and everything. And I'd be like, not Abby. Her starters, just so we're clear. I just show her a picture of Abby. He's like, not this. So, her having muscles, how is it detrimental to the mechanics or the story? Well, it's to enable her to be Hulk Smash in her gameplay, which I think is a tad inappropriate for a game that's so grounded. She needs to be as huge as she is to Hulk Smash. Oh, fuck off. Well, here's you could have had her be a male character and had her be Hulk Smash. Well, yeah, I don't see why you couldn't just have to be. My brain would have accepted it a lot easier. The doctor's son. Or you have her be a skinny scrawny chick and she's mostly stealth. And maybe she's like her crafting stuff is different because of her background. Like her father was while he was saving zebras, he taught her all sorts of cool different things that, you know, she could craft with stuff that maybe Ellie couldn't. And you can make the gameplay different because of that. Or Hulk Smash, you know, it's the gameplay is almost funny at that point because you just go like you actually teleport sometimes or, you know, you drag yourself along the floor to land punches. Of course, with Ellie, it's not quite like that. Ellie's much more like how you'd expect everything to run. So it's like, oh, well, we can't have that gameplay unless we give her hyperbuzzles. You're like, all right. So, so that, you know, that's what presents the issue for me. It's less to do with can I believe a person can exist in this world with mother, even though where we've been talking about that as well, because I think that's a fair thing to bring up. My issue more lies with just, huh, I wonder if all of this is just to justify the mechanics because of course they can't have silly mechanics like falcon punching enemies everywhere in a game like this. You could do it. You know, like you have a game like called explosion bros and it's just giant dudes and they like shout bullets at people and they can punch buildings down. You're just like, yeah, but with the last of us, I'd be like, well, you kind of can't do that. It's not going to happen. I love that one of the mechanics that the game developers give to us, whoever to play Last of Us 2 is to kill Abby deliberately. That was more of a monument to failure with making people endeared to a character. Also, hello, Aiden. How'd you do? Oh, hello. Hello. We are, we're this is probably what I would call max capacity a seven because that probably is good, right? What do you think Rex seven is max capacity? Listen, the max capacity of Abby's arms could fit way more than seven people. Yeah, definitely. But this, but this will never be as thick and strong as Abby's arms. So I suppose it doesn't really matter. I mean, seven is a lot and we could be rather loquacious. Yes. Also, Aiden, if you grab that watch together link, you can jump in and take a look see a Jim Stirling's video on Last of Us 2. It's been really good so far. Amazing. The last point you made is great. The last point you made was that people hate Abby because the muscles and that they try to pretend this for other reasons, but really it's that. Oh, yeah. Christmas or Halloween. Oh, yeah. Christmas or Halloween. What's your favorite of the two? Which is the best holiday? Is it Halloween or is it Christmas? It's Halloween. One thousand percent. Uh-oh. It's like we departed from the real world. Into reality. Yeah, that made sense. Usually you need to adjust your distortisms on. No, that ain't happening. Things fall apart if I do that. This is why this is max capacity. You can still see Theo and Upper Bend. It's just that they're half faces. Brilliant. Never mind then. Alright, let us continue. Anyone who doesn't get the video coming in, let me know. Before we continue. Oh my God. Oh my God. No, it's just because we're on the muscle topic. I'll be trying to think of a famous video game character that's just a chick that has heaps of muscles because I know there must be several good examples and yeah, I saw it in chat. Just really debunk, you know, nail in the coffin of this myth that they hate Abby because of muscles and therefore people must hate female characters of muscles. Chun Li, she is jacked as anything. Like, have you seen the muscles on her and heaps of people love her as a character and people find her odd as well. Mandalorian, did Gina Carraro, Carrero, Carino? I forget her surname, but pretty sure everybody really liked her outside of obviously rags and I think. But that's not because of her muscles. It's the once again, because that's it's a little bit more complicated than that every time. It's not just there's a reason why I didn't use female character. Canny is more upper body strength, although, you know, she's almost like a lot of leg moves. It's like every street every fighting game character for not well, maybe not some of the more anime ones but has much dedicated fighting character in a martial art based video game. This is a woman in a post apocalyptic world where people are trying to survive and food and all that stuff and they call it on how burritos are common food items. Like, wait a minute. Yes, break the meal. All um, who's that uh, who's that Olympic swimmer uh. Yeah, Michael Phelps nothing but he got there on the burrito diet. It's all burritos for Michael Phelps all burritos all day four years of burritos boom gold medal machine all I can think of is a rat chef the filthy frank video where he funds the rats and puts them in a tortilla I don't know um, it's not a good rat maybe it's a great rat, I don't know also uh are you gonna say something? I caught your your light for a moment there Yeah, I was about to say there's a reason why Jim was about to show Eryth in a video instead of Tifa because Tifa pretty much disproved his entire argument Yeah, because Tifa's the more athletic looking one and she's more attractive but it appeals to the male to the male gaze that's why it's problematic that's why you can't have it she appeals to the lesbian gays but that's fine, the lesbian gaze oh right, the lesbian, oh I get it lesbian gaze lesbian get, yeah, yeah the lesbian gaze this damn why can't all these women alright, I'm gonna roll this back a little bit, here we go character, we'll try to tell you it's not about something so surface level but it is, people hate Abby because she's reasonably muscular and when I say reasonable there's something wrong with that statement is he powering people you know, here's really why you hate it is it because of the Joel thing no, it's not because of any of that no, no, because she's got she's also been reasonably muscular no, not reasonably in the real world, come on well, let's find out I think muscles are reasonable he does stop presenting arguments for why it's reasonable so we're gonna get we're gonna get told, are you guys ready for this? we're gonna be muscular, that's the extent of it oh, she is not some people who even like her described super mega jacked maybe it's because I spend a lot of time yeah, she is though I don't know I think maybe Jim, and this is not to bully Jim maybe has a worked perception of what jacked is well, he's about to explain I was carrying the Arnold Schwarzenegger or something and he's expecting like ripped popping muscles on every single thing as I mentioned earlier, like not that big, but if he were walking around in this game I would have issues too this is the thing her arms are very large I don't know what else to say I think with actual professional wrestlers but I see super jacked human friends on the right look at that balloon the people who that is insane so yeah, he just said in his profession well, partial profession, the wrestling thing women that are jacked to this level I suppose, it's like, well, wait so how would that be regular then? that seems like a very specialized thing also, I don't believe you because it's not true, I watch wrestling all the time they're not jacked like this that's maybe three I can't even tell you I think of like Terrell LaRosa and even she's not built like that you see some female bodybuilders reach that size sure, but that's kind of the point isn't it, that it's very irregular you have to be a devoted bodybuilder to get to this sort of thing and at that point as well if you're training to be strong and to be fit, those are different from bodybuilding, as in bodybuilding is very, well, it's in the name you're building up the body like a statically you want to look really big, really buff it's not necessarily like... if you're impregnating someone is that bodybuilding? by definition by the word you've created a body you're building two bodies actually my point is you'd have to be kind of absurd to bodybuild in the post apocalypse resources are tight, you really want to pursue bodybuilding it's like, yes, yeah okay again, I don't even know that they would be allowed rationing wise, you'd be like, I'm sorry you can't have all the protein you need you're like, okay, so I think we're finding out who's sneaking away all those extra burritos it's like clearly doing pretty well for themselves, but not to that extent, right? Surely but bodybuilding is also building up the glamour muscles more than it is actually becoming stronger necessarily those aren't my glamour muscles no, seriously have a look at a bodybuilder and have a look at the guys in the world's strongest man competition their bodies are very different world's strongest man if you're in the chat, let us know if we're missing anything here, because I know you are G-Fat no, those guys in the world's strongest man competition amaze me how strong they are and you see them and they have these massive kegs for guts, right? but it's just muscle they're all like fat girl they are tanks, they're absolute units an Abbey Wild Berry clearly built up look at that but her arm is the size of her head there are some shots in the game like you're running with it I wish I still had it, this screenshot it was a drumstick, it was enormous well like a drumstick isn't big, but you know what I mean like a relative size drumstick it's the kind of thing where how did you guys remember in the short of the dead where the Daph's gets pulled through a window and his leg gets ripped off she uses it as a club I picture ripping off Abbey's arm you could fucking wreck somebody hitting them with that slam it into their face upgraded Abbey arm upgraded Abbey arm the top when it comes to getting ripped to fuck which of course is fine, be as built up as you want to be there's much smaller this time look at that, this is bigger, what the fuck this is what I mean, their arms are like they're not quite consistent different ratings for every different screenshot why some people talk about it it's like they've never seen muscles before not the point I would argue that the expert on musculature I would argue that the reason they're saying this is because they've seen muscles of that size before and they know where it comes from and how they're made like it's not an ignorance on bodybuilding slash muscle building would probably make you be like oh yeah this is normal it's totally normal yes and no but no because I guess in some sense violates what you'd come to expect from looking at a woman so you know it raises eyebrows so to speak if you know anything about it if you know anything about it and you're told this is a woman plus weightlifting and you'd be like yeah sure then you'd be like yeah fine well if you know a lot about it and uh let's take some of all of that but of course everybody from all different walks of life will have issues or not have issues for different reasons it's just the thing of all the things you could talk about with the last of us too later he's Brock fucking Lesnar but she does put naughty dogs intricately animated weather upgrade system to shame by having the sweetest guns in the game and other gamers can't fucking handle it their children ha ha their children see they're yelling they're angry little white boy children and they're yelling ha ha I'm Jim Sterling I'm a video game commentator I made fun of the correct race and gender it's not racism I don't think anyone really cares all that much and people who do it's just weird I don't care enough for it to be like seriously bro like say for example there was a new video we would discuss again I'd be like we've nailed it right we've explained the problem we can move on before this video starts to repeat itself I think he does move on which is why despite the rest of the world inevitably having moved on to the next hype fields triple A distraction we still have a subset of hardcore gamer boy types who are diligently working to bust them they're all little white boy children my subtle imagery also there are plenty of people who are talking about all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons the idea that he's like everyone's moved on except for this one set of white males you're like okay that's weird mmm anyone still talking about TLJ they're probably white males probably myth that a muscular woman could be in their favourite video games spoilers time time for early spoilers in the last of his part mmm 10 it's not like people weren't predisposed to hating Abby as her whoa now you said earlier hold on a minute is he speaking sarcastically here though well I'm assuming he's about to get into the Joel thing and it's just funny to me because I'm like wait a minute you said they hate her because of her muscles not for like any other reason which by the way if you wanted to make the argument her killing Joel is a shallow reason to hate it because there's a lot of narrative in which if you didn't know the context you could probably agree with the argument but that would still be the reason they hate her not the muscles if you know what I mean killing of the suddenly beloved video game character of Joel suddenly beloved cosmonaut said this fucking retarded thing too we gotta do this again we gotta do this again like people are just inventing that people didn't like Joel one of the most beloved characters in video gaming I guess because love for the last of us one has cooled down a little bit in recent years suddenly it's getting erased from history yeah because it's been fucking forever since it came out people don't talk about it cos it's not topical cos it's been seven years since that game came out once you start mentioning it everyone's like oh yeah fucking Joel and Ellie what a great team how many conversations are there about how Terminator 1 is a horror action movie but if someone starts saying well it's a comedy in loads of videos the conversation would start to uptick about how it's not fucking comedy what are you talking about why is everyone talking about this now why is this coming up it's like cos everyone keeps saying this is not beloved which is not true where have you been who have you been talking to Joel is really liked okay where did the get together in this fucking meeting and all beside yeah we're just gonna lie and say that people don't care about Joel I don't know what happened but yeah have we got a pattern yet it's only cosmonaut and Jim right the two people who said he's not beloved which is such a weird thing to declare also remember when the trailer came out and we saw Joel and everyone like cheered their asses off well I mean I can tell you because I was always intending to play the second one because I fucking liked it but the first one it was like he's in the trailer I was like cool they did the reveal trailer we had the crowd and everything and then at the end they had Joel come in or whatever and everyone's lost their shit everyone was like oh my god it's Joel I'm so happy to see him again it's been so long I love him so much tell me if he isn't beloved then why did they hide so hard that he's not in the game and that he died hmm wasn't the first few trailers that the game didn't even show Joel I'd have to check but I'm in my head I'm just thinking about the one where I've mentioned this yeah the first few trailers of the game I remember people complaining that Joel is in it is not in it I think in one of the trailers we had him come in at the very very end the trailers were implying this is very Ellie focused which is I think fine with fans of the last of us one who'd be like yeah Ellie's game for sure and then they were like she's got someone she's interested in that trailer she's with that girl dancing okay and then there's the trailer that I mentioned where I was just kind of blowed away by how fucking manipulative this was Dina's wearing a bracelet and then we cut to a scene where Ellie's wearing that same bracelet and she's angry and she looking for vengeance you're like ooh I guess that girl died then and then you have Joel being like do you think I was gonna let you do this alone it's like ooh and everyone's like oh my god it's Joel they're gonna go on an adventure and you can see the story threads you're like oh so that person's gonna die and then she's gonna go crazy and want to get revenge and Joel's gonna look after her and who knows what'll happen to him in the game she's like nope that's not even no um and yeah so why would they have done that if Joel was this character that no one likes it's like oh it's fucking Joel there he is no I do when news of the story leaked before launch enough for many people to preemptively decide she was awful and refuse to ever see her perspective which is hilarious what do you mean perspective I've played the game you don't you don't get any like they never give you any context as to why she fucking tortured Joel oh she turns into a different person at that point in the game and I still don't get why she called him a stupid old man too I just after he saved her life it's like yeah that was pretty stupid yeah that was pretty dumb definitely fucked up there not even a second thought to the fact that ah jeez and he said people preemptively decided to dislike her and if he's referring to the leaks that's actually no they justifiably decided they disliked her after finding out what she was going to do to Joel and so it's not like they're making this up out of thin air well yeah because like I knew um before playing it that Joel was going to die and the golf club was going to be involved and I knew very little about a character called Abbey being something that is annoying everybody um I still don't think knowing that or not knowing that wouldn't be much of a difference after that scene happens it's like well now I've got a real trouble liking you that's just essentially what's happening there um but people knowing it going in and disliking her from this scene like you know her introduction what is it like 15 minutes from when she does the thing so not much of a difference they knew people weren't going to like her that's why they had to play fetch with the dogs um um needed to reel him back in I'd love if it was true if those dog sequences weren't in the game until playtesting they were like oh no people don't like it get the puppy out of there they just didn't want to get punted by her massive arms we gotta get her to play with the doggos when you consider what the game's narrative was desperately trying to do but anyway Joel was a shithead and a selfish character and he was always going to meet a violin come up and no he wasn't not necessarily at all no you just made that shit up wasn't the point of the first game is to make us to sympathize with Joel and his actions even if what he did was monstrous I would argue that uh when we meet him he's almost entirely pragmatic his heart is sealed over in carbonite nothing's happening there he won't make decisions he's fake news no one remembers the first game and this is the thing even when you meet him in the first one you have to respect the pragmatism but at the same time you're kind of a dick though because he's kind of just cold with everybody he's like and Ellie's the opposite she's just like this bouncy fun and wants to have good times happen and also get along with people and so putting them together you get this whole campaign of her chipping away that heart until it opens right up and she's starting to do things based on looking after her instead which is really endearing it really works on an audience and then you have people like this go like he did it because he's a selfish shithead he deserved to die you're like oh I don't know where this idea you see it nowadays because in order to prop up Abby you have to make Joel as shitty as you can I don't know where this the idea is like brutal murders to people who lives in this horrible universe you shouldn't have expected him to have anything but a brutal ending whether or not his ending was brutal there's no book that says he has to die a brutal death he can it really depends on what else you could have had a heart attack falling over do you think that all people even if he was described is the way that Jim Sterling was describing him as that doesn't mean that he necessarily that what you think all bad people just never get away with it excitation transfer in media psychology that basically says that people get more around by media and part of justice served or seen a character grow or anything that comes out of the things that we think are satisfying in media so people like seeing someone who's kind of a jerk become a better person it increases their excitation therefore their positive or sorry in vain though when you introduce a character as completely a piece of shit like Abby then people want to see that character be punished and when they don't get any kind of recompense from their viewing or their playing of the game then it leaves them with a bad taste in their mouth and people will argue she did get like punishment I'm just like that was completely unrelated she just happened to walk into a bunch of crazy people who crucified it what she did to Joel and you know Joel has to suffer vengeance for his choice to rescue a girl from being murdered against her will of course that would happen with definition but it's just fascinating that I don't think this was the narrative whatsoever like Joel was a monster until people were like hey it was pretty fucked up what happened to Joel it's like why he was a monster it's like whoa now whoa when did this happen let's talk about it let's go over it but he's so sure of it that he died horribly was a natural story beat I've pointed this out before that anybody felt otherwise is shocking to me there's nothing about Joel that ain't lonesome wow what wow we've got a shit on Joel to make Abby even begin to approach areas likeable well yeah otherwise it doesn't fit a narrative it comes from that era of video games too where there were so many characters that were this dad figure I mean Geralt also Witcher 3 came out you know around the same time as some of the earlier Last of Us games people like the dad figure people don't hate Joel that is so off the mark he started the dad archetype thing being incredibly popular well yeah people say that God of War 4 came because of the last of us that Logan came because of the last like it was inspired in some way shape or form you have to agree and it's just like I'm more than happy to I just think that all those stories have their own pros and cons as well but fucking hell talking about Joel as a character is really interesting because it's hard to nail him down as a bad or a good there's so much about him that's hard to be definitive about and the thing that people always cite is that he would attack and steal from you know different scavengers and survivors of post apocalypse he admitted to doing that so he would have definitely got some dubious nature in that heart of his but like following him through the first game you're hard pressed to be able to find an event he does that isn't justifiable in some way shape or form Jim is right very fair to say that he changes over time and especially as we see him in The Last of Us 2 seems to be a very well adjusted person who tries to do right by the people he cares about and he gets shat on for it all the time that's great see but uh thinking about it how is it that you would call him loathsome with this shot too the entire museum section like really he's a cute person in this whole thing puts a hat on the dinosaur he gives this is all for her like fucking hell Jim I mean the level of danger that he takes upon himself and her to go to the museum just so she can have some fun what a horrible person he should be like well that doesn't make a person non-evil just for doing that he described to him as everything about him is loathsome holy shit wanting to make Ellie happy standing up for her saving her life putting himself at great risk to save her life what a loathsome piece of shit yeah what a dingleberry even his fatherly character growth the end of the original game demonstrates in self-interest what do you mean by that self-interest how is that part self-interest the way that he but what does I better explain that one because I don't care yeah I'm baffled loving a person and not wanting them to die and therefore doing things to prevent that event from happening makes you selfish we're expanding out the definition of selfish too wow he just wants her it makes me feel good that she feels good therefore it's all selfish it stops there there's nothing else to discuss yeah he gets stuff out of it because he gets her love and that's just selfish and then everyone is selfish if we're going that far then yeah there is no decision that isn't selfish at this point then which I agree with to a degree but not in a bad way it's the same as the fucking people hold psychological egoism every decision people make is ultimately self-interested the problem with that well one of the problems is it kind of erases the use of the word selfish doesn't mean anything anymore you can't not do things without thinking about yourself in some way so you're like okay fuck yeah I guess we're all just horrible what would even need to be selfless at that point is that weird obsolete also I don't recall Ellie consented in being killed or having her brain extracted and then get killed did she ever actually say she wants to have her brain extracted and get killed by the doctors is that the selfish thing Jim is referring to that Joel was selfish in that he didn't let a possible cure be found with the murdering of yeah so in the very very nuts and bolts simplistic and contextless view it was her or the world and he chose her which by the way is a conversation on its own but when you really dig deep into the everything that happens at the last was what you had a choice to make in fact seems like there was an obvious one to go with let's just say that well I would say that the whole point of the last of us is that you start out with this character that is disaffected and kind of a jerk and then he comes to love somebody so the whole point of the game is learning both as the player and through Joel that it's maybe not always about the greater good it's about loving an individual person learning humanity or as we like to call it selfishness humans back into like animals that's the game the last of us referring to what is left of humanity and it's saving Ellie, she's like some of the best humanity has left because she saves Joel's humanity as well in that sense we want to get very English literature about it I'm glad that the world hasn't adopted the Jim Sterling position of the most altruistic you could be used to not give a fuck about anybody well it's also there seems to be some deeper philosophical almost political kind of things that are going on here because it seems like Jim values the welfare of the group over the individual well yeah exactly in contrast the message of the last of us one almost seems to be that the value of the individual especially if you love them is priceless and so right then you actually see two very opposed ideological positions the sovereignty of the individual versus the collective value or collective group mentality so interesting have you seen the bike cock meme that's what I'm reminded of it's some it's just fascinating to me because it's a it's so cut and dry for the people who are defending this game Joel was a monster what he did was wrong Abby you don't understand I'm pulling it cut and dry either way is to miss the point do you know what I mean because we're on the team of Joel is complicated if not pretty heroic a lot of the times in the game and very respectable Abby though she's kind of a monster and possibly a psychopath because she doesn't seem she like switches it on and off and then their take is no you don't understand Abby also Joel is absolutely a disgusting monster like huh made her miss the point of the game well they would say that about us well we all missed all the points everyone did well I mean like I would go back and look even very basic media analysis that the Joseph Campbell's hero's journey it is a journey you're supposed to start out with a character that maybe is flawed and then comes around to being a better person and that's the thing you get with Joel but you don't get that with Abby it's the most basic wants versus needs wait are you are you referring to are you talking about Joseph Campbell's hero soup what oh I got a Campbell oh my god right yo yo I found a review somebody somebody on the discord sent a review from Jim Sterling talking about the last of us one and he said in the review that Joel is a likable character okay let's get that on screen have a look at this uh uh it's all in how likable the characters are it's about how Joel is harsh and impatient yet understandably so it's about how Elia noise her companion in a way that entertains rather than irritates the audience it's about how themes of compassion, tolerance, determination and common selfishness are woven expertly into the familiar narrative structure you've seen most of the elements of this story many times you've not seen them all threaded so well together it is an overwhelming quality that naughty dog triumphs against the risk of genre fatigue hey this isn't a quote I wanted I guess he says the likable character is on and says Joel true so yeah but this was written in a time before we had to defend Abby again it's all logical reason so you have to take that into account poor people look at him he's so scared of that people some people treat him as if he was one of the all-time lovable protagonists even if you disagree with my read on the character he wasn't fucking that some even talk about him like they're mourning a loved one like he was their own father figure and darling let me tell you first off he was to Ellie so there was already you already got that dude this is super fucking awkward because there was that streamer who like lost his shit from the opening because he said that it wasn't something like so a lot of his dad died recently and Joel was like really reminded him of yeah just like avoid this area of discussion please like talking about how it's wrong to see stuff in fiction or write this dude back away he tyranny is great I love it why are we the ones doing this why are we the ones saying hey let people have feelings please it's fucked up that you're stopping them not really difficult if you look up to Joel from the last of us well yeah well you're probably exactly the kind of person who thinks it's okay to harass and what the door has nothing to do with anything really distance and gone someplace far far away he just jumped over a chasm he's like wow you don't follow at all there's I'm speechless actually holy shit we constantly cover these crazy lefties to do all of the terrible things that we get accused of for being horrible things to do it is fascinating that's bad it's like okay he first takes the hot take of like nobody likes him that he says you shouldn't like him because he's a horrible person and you know what at the end of all this if you do you're probably the kind of person who abuses people he's like man such psychological manipulation right so that if you disagree with Jim you're a bad person that's absolutely why he did that jeez never you're being generous it's more like argue it's claim imitation we're just discerning something this is the case why you know shut up abuser I don't talk to people who abuse people because you like Joel the video game character did you really have to go this hard well in fairness it only makes sense Joel has hurt people in the video game thus you would hurt people in real life if you like him I guess the type absolutely completely not debunked theory that video games have any effect on the real world or anything I don't know about you I just I feel like it's an anti-argument and if you disagree probably abuse people you're probably a child of an oyster and I tried to air combo someone in real life so you're wrong stalk and attack a voice actor for something her character did yep I think that's stupid focus on them please there's so many stupid people in the world you can't get through all of them for any given stupid thing to say there's someone saying it it's another very basic media psychology effect it's de-individuation and toxic disinhibition so it's just because people are anonymous because people are anonymous they feel emboldened to do crappy stuff but that has nothing to do with anything other than media effects that happens to everyone on the internet every single day and any group of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people millions of people there's gonna be some shitheads it's just a statistical well I like it with the inevitability you get those videos that say the same people who abuse Kelly Marie Tran abused Ahmed Bess back when the prequels came out I was like I doubt it's the same people that was 20 years ago they're still at it the internet connection is just faster now but they're still the same still waiting that wall still waiting I can't wait for the next minority in a Star Wars movie I can't even arrest it's never anything else those kinds of people they just can't handle it the actors also I'd like to mention one point that again the EFAP discord bring up is the fact that the people who brought up the death threats to the voice actor and I even got one screenshot of it so what he's talking about is that one of the people who abused the the actress was a fan of the game are you saying it's a false flag that really gets my noggin jog and how could that possibly be the case I'm more than happy to agree at the idea whether or not people liking and disliking it both added to the fire but it's just funny how it's always used this way if you disliked it stop sending mean things to the actress like no it doesn't matter if you disliked it or not it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if you liked it or not don't do this to people it's just mean it's cruel it's rude there's no there's nothing to it it is an unfortunate reality of mediated society such as it is is that because it's deindividuated because we don't see the person as a person through a screen we just see a facsimile of them that recognizes them and deindividuates them so it's always going to happen it's unfortunate it sucks it feels terrible but this happens again to everybody every day online and I don't see any way it's gonna stop so yes it sucks it's terrible but it's a reality of being on the internet what is this picture let's see um I think this was the um oh it's the person apologizing we are the person who said fuck you you should die and they go on to say that uh like they like the game this is like okay it's um it's a weird world we live in also is that what they were saying was the death threat because I don't mean to be a jerk but it's not technically a death threat oh what yeah hoping someone dies living a death threat yeah like just being an asshole that's all this is the thing I feel like more um people who get into social media need to be made aware of this because apparently they're completely blown away by whatever happens but um yeah people online they can say whatever they want because they can make a you know false accounts or burner accounts and just say horrible things just because they want to see what happens when they say horrible things it's like look out and then Jim Steylin will be like these are the people who think their muscles are silly it's like oh okay they're pretty silly though character I don't give a single care about her I just want my child to not be gulfed to do death that's a reasonable thing to do yeah that sounds like a good thing yes and ironically yes listen if the game if the game was perfect like writing wise and it still had him getting gulfed to death as it put and I had a friend who was like yeah I mean I don't really have a criticism like functionally or structurally but I did not like watching him getting beaten to death of the golf club I'd be like yeah I think that makes sense get harmed to my investment I don't well actually investments a very big thing people get emotionally invested in characters and then when you kill them off in a disrespectful manner it it hurts people's parasocial relationship with that character their psychological bond with that character so yeah it doesn't even matter what happened with Abbie the fact that they killed Joel so unceremoniously it hurts people I mean whenever they flashed but guys guys he said it in a funny voice so it must be dumb yeah well again he shows a comment that's specifically about the person's feelings I want like I just want so it's clearly them like there you go why highlight this comment there are so many worse ones you could do I'm gonna say whenever they flashed to Joel's bloated beaten corpse I was always like hmm that's fun thanks for that lovely they show they went out of their way to really show a dead bloody beaten up Joel but not you know what I was gonna say something about the lesbian sex scene but don't worry about it don't worry about it don't worry about it oh yeah what were you gonna say uh oh yeah it's not only that he got go to death just the whole thing where how it leads up to it's like it just tells him their names like hi here's my rc number and everything like you can shoot me now it's like so stupid there's like 15 of those types of issues that's the thing a lot of people like to pretend that all of that is no one actually cares about that you'd be surprised when you have everything lead up in a sensical way to characters death it's a strict tragedy you're just like no well with that you're like I don't this shouldn't be this shouldn't be happening none of this should be happening this is wrong boo I don't like it and then you have Ali just waltzing in there's like no it gets to speed up you both failed horribly at scenarios you normally excel at it's like good job I wanted to throw a molotov game didn't let me and if you're then abusively disconnected from reality it's just man every every sentence is a hit every hits no you I mean that's so insulting to the audience abusive that's a strong word it's not just this disconnected from reality that puts so much onus on the person that you are abusive if you don't like it jeez like sorry I'm not even sure what it means what does it mean to be abusively disconnected like the disconnection you suffer is almost abusive to those around you is that what he's saying I guess I actually no freaking clue what it means but the implication is that you're a bad person if you don't like it because to clarify he said if you didn't look because if you go from the comment he just said if you didn't want Joel to be beaten to death of the golf club you are abusively disconnected from reality yeah don't you know that the moral thing to do is to want to see Joel get beaten to death I don't you know what I mean like you look at that statement you're like is this a joke I don't know that's what he's up to well he might contextualize it in his following sentence hey hey Ubisoft's hiring we already discussed okay no he doesn't oh was that all in service of a he's already got a video talking about how it's bad when you abuse people online for the fictional characters it's like doesn't surprise me it's like has he talked about anything in terms of the actual issues with the game or is he only talked about how we're terrible people like Jim seems like you should take some issue with the false advertising seems like you should take some issue surely you have all people you'd think wait wait is this is this his account did he like his own videos I don't know I remember when I did that when I was starting out on YouTube and every like was precious I would do it he searched himself and he liked his own videos assuming that this is his account this could be his editors account everybody like counts I suppose why would anyone like this I mean either way that's kind of sad even if it's his editors or his I've never liked one of my own videos what the heck in three years of doing this that's your problem apparently just because I like Joel and the whole person doesn't like my editors the new age 30 years of research 30 years of research I'm so mad this one this gets me so I write because 30 years of research 20 meta analyses or thereabouts not a single shred of anything beyond basic correlational level data that supports the idea that games cause violence I am so sick that is literally Jack Thompson to your crap just read any research on this there was a meta analysis published this year and last year that consistently found nothing beyond correlational no causal level data just ugh Jim Sterling of all people saying I was gonna say I feel like he's one of the people who would have said not five years ago that's bullshit yeah this is I don't have anything concrete on this but I can swear I've heard him like joke about that idea before when he needs to say it for his current argument in the current video then fine but there's no consistency with any position there's no principle position here cause you're 100% right it wouldn't even like if he said like oh no I'm just saying like a possible reason for why they might be crazy people I'll just be like but it doesn't even make sense like you know that doesn't do that so the idea that violent video games make people violence like you imagine the world what it would be like if that were true no what what games do is they cause increased arousal which can be related to increased not from Abby no psychological arousal not physiological arousal I've never felt my penis invert ooh that's a that's a good trick you're just sexist rags how dare you Jim from reality and while some of those still negatively obsessed with Abby will tell you their hate is rooted wholly in the characters actions within the last of us mine is I feel like we have a lot of Abby was like oh she's pregnant good so that when I murder her it'll be a fucking two for one like I'm the fucking villain from quest for Camelot and everyone's like oh well I guess it's all just because she's got big arms like give him a turn a kit because we don't want him to die too fast I need to make him suffer it's like oh you're a great person you're pleasant I hope nothing bad happens then we flash over to her be it like no I'm really happy with all my friends no cute doggo no we gotta fight to save our faction no my friend I'm gonna cheat with oh wait that's not a good thing Dan it's so fundamentally not how media psychology works right like people are for all of our advancedness we're pretty simple when it comes to how we perceive media so once you've set up a character as being fundamentally hateable you're not going to change the audience no matter you could then show that character being literally mother Teresa and it doesn't matter it's so hard to it's called the primacy effect it is so hard to replace first opinions it's nearly impossible yeah so whenever we talk about the last of us two over and over I wonder why did they make it so difficult for themselves because they're trying to prove a point about how we we we are too biased in favor of one direction we need to realize the people opinion is just like no no no no no no you guys just really made it so hard on yourself I like the idea they had reversed the game sorry if they had reversed the game order where you get all that stuff with Abby first it might have worked oh yeah I think that would have been way smarter yeah wasn't that still really out of character for it yeah so this is the thing even if you do that we still have to alter the scene with Joe I think it would have been way better with Joe for her to execute him like just almost cleanly and then for her to like struggle and shake after doing it and be like oh my god I've done it that's it I've done it and he just falls to the ground instead of beating him over and over and you're just like what are you okay this is hmm and then you're like oh she's such a golden person though you're like no no no it's um it's like that girl I forget her name but she accidentally released that video on youtube where she spawned a dog after throwing around it's like there's nothing you can do at that point like everyone's gonna be like yeah we've seen you where do you think the cabra's off so you're the dog spitter like yeah there's even if I think I said this to free before I was like even if the dog was like eating my face off and I like kicked it or shot it off killed it on the floor I still wouldn't spit on it be like you fucking tried to kill me I killed you but the spitting is like ooh alright it's very um it makes you it makes your brain start racing about the kind of character there spit on you and give you AIDS yeah I find that there are certainly things that are irredeemable that like it's too far and then the then that character even sometimes people know they're a scumbag I'm not sure I could ever get over no ever get over that but there are interesting cases where narratively you can push it to a certain level and still bring them back and you kind of see that yeah and other things like that but if you go too far and killing Joel definitely seems to be one of those things that's nah that's that beyond the pale well yeah we were way you come back from that we're like one tier away from having her cackling while she pulls off his fingernails and we're like um this is gonna you're gonna tell me I'm gonna like her by the end of this like hmm I don't know her ambition seems really misguided to me because why are you going with that being the case why are you going for making her sympathetic like I don't think you need to like make your audience I don't think you need to make them see her side in as much as they support her I think all you really need to do in that regard is get them to the point where they are like able to see or understand her perspective right which would have been aided by having all of her backstory told first and then we would maybe have some clue as to why Abby has done this but because of the order of the game it is contemptible I still think the execution needs to be changed as well oh absolutely I think I want to see this like done correctly I like the idea of having a character do something so incredibly reprehensible then trying to not redeem them specifically not redeem them but show us more about that person to the point where maybe we can be invested in them as well may I direct you to the Star Wars prequels ugh no yeah yeah it's okay ugh no it's not okay no I meant it's okay that you feel that way it's okay yeah of course it's okay I'm right press F for metal for being disconnected oh yeah metal wasn't booted guys remember how he said his internet was fixed that was a lie to even a cursory glance at of a discourse will reveal that's all complete in total bollocks for most of them oh there you covered his ass finally finally covered his ass for most of them but this means even most of them that's well no no no it means if you bring him up a thousand examples of it not you'd be like yeah but there's a million of it actually and you're like oh okay then you bring up a million he's like yeah but there's 10 trillion of the bad ones so Abby is not a traditionally conventionally attractive video game character and they he really thinks people hate him people he really thinks people hate Abby because she's not attractive just because of that that that's it there could be no other reason this game presents us with no other reason why people might not like her all of that stuff about her appearance is nine times out of ten I want to say completely subordinate to a previously engendered dislike of her because they think she's a horrible person rather justifiably and when you feel that way about something in media or someone in media you start looking for everything possible to pick it apart if she was conventionally like hot as everyone would still hate her for what she did to John exactly it doesn't matter how fucking attractive you are when you do what she did in the game and they'd be throwing similar insults appearance based in like not in the sense of what they're calling her now but they'd still be probably throwing insults based on her appearance that way maybe it depends on how hot she is I guess but though people can find anything try and find anything remember how there was a this is going to take it way back and I hope I remember it y'all remember Jimmy Neutron um yes there was a there was a character in Jimmy Neutron named beautiful gorgeous and she was a um she was like a spoof of the evil super hot spy to the point where her name was beautiful gorgeous let me let me make sure I'm trying to the Jimmy Neutron oh it auto feels good um beautiful gorgeous yeah um extremely attractive yeah so uh yeah I just you could be totally villainous and super hot and everyone's like yeah that's a bad well okay so there's there's a bipolar effect in psychology it's the halo effect and the horn effect right which is that when someone is bad we associate so this the horn effects they associate all kind of bad things with them they're ugly they're you know nasty in every kind of way and then the halo effect is that because someone is good in one way then they must be good in in all ways and Abby just is has the horn effect you she's introduced pretty much by killing the beloved main character so then everything else about her is going to get that horn effect it's going to be lumped in as a negative quality there's there's barely anything else to it this is the funny thing you'd be like ah but you're missing out the part where she's ugly you feel like it's the umpteenth time I don't care yeah it's what she's coming yeah I do think her looks can be an issue uh and honestly a fair issue for players but I think it's a separate issue to her dislike ability as a character and when you know you hate her so much for what she's done everything then will compound like what Aiden was saying and then you know when you are wanting to disparage her the looks can come to the forefront of the thing because we have examples of conventionally unattractive and yet beloved characters for women absolutely um Brienne of Toth her whole like thing in Game of Thrones is supposed to be that like all the the world refers to her as like you're a guy that's actually a great example because here you have a very unconventionally you know appearing woman who honestly looks very manly she's tall broad shoulder and things and people love her character it's a really good comparison yeah it is everyone loves Brienne Brienne's awesome Captain Phasma less so yeah not so much yes Captain Phasma she is unconventionally attractive Captain Phasma she's unconventionally characterized being that there isn't really any unconventionally perfect it's quite unconventional yeah it's a bold but they tried it you don't even have to look very hard to see their real problem with her it all comes down to the muscles at first do they try to argue Abbey no why would you argue with me she looks so manly there like it's like she's got breasts it's not like people hate her as a character i know but it's like seriously it is like a slap in the face though when you see like a shot that we just saw oh well this is the thing when you're watching this you do sort of like you know a lot of people might just go like wow those arms though fucking hell very hard to see their real they do defend an unrealistic body proportion the game for you is suddenly grow and then they got them no you can't like big titty anime women it's unrealistic sexy women in games are problematic you're a pervert if you like cute girls also them when someone says abbey from the last two is ugly well isn't that a fair thing to bring up like um because i didn't read this at first because i thought it was just going to be what's it called nut picking that's what jay is wanting me to start saying more nut picking is when you pick the crazy one out and then you go haha this is the yeah it's called the nut picking is fallacy and so but this is a fair i would say counter so if you're going to be like no more giant titty ladies because that doesn't happen in real life and it's like oh wow except it does and then they're like wait you're stop complaining about giant muscle ladies that's totally a thing that's like alright it's hard to keep track though it's so funny the whole uzaki chan controversy if you followed that at all is so indicative no i don't know in any of those words me i'm gonna guess that's part of the animu it's part one of the my japanese enemies but it's so indicative it's like all these women online getting so angry that this anime character is petite and has big boobs and so all these women are posting videos of themselves and they're oh i know what you're talking about you said petite with big boobs and now i know what you're talking about you gotta you gotta proc that part of the memory that's the um yeah i i remember it because she's a very silly-looking character the gray-haired blue-eyed big titty anime girl which is just wonderful because it is so funny and there's so many memes that have absolutely contrasted the reaction to abby to the reaction to uzaki chan which is have been the to quote jim sterling the same people or so it seems at least to who are furious about the last of us not being the most to not being the most beloved game of all time but also hate this big titty anime girl interesting and yeah i think he should have picked someone way stupid or crazy for this shot but uh he didn't alright seems like he's been because i like i said i believe there are crazy people in this i don't know what what he's he's not picking game is off let's put it that way and this is based on the idea of if are we what who who are we allowed to find attractive i guess for these people well jim's the arbiter of that yeah that's what this video has been we can't find abby ugly you know a lot of finder unattractive yeah we can't find abby ugly and when we see women that are more conventionally attractive and a really good posture and shape and you know the tits and the arms and the whole nine yards is like well now we're objectifying women by finding them attractive but if we don't objectify the ugly ones they feel bad because secretly they do want to be objectified so now we're at a little bit of a catch 22 or well it's even worse because we go from that in this video to admit it the only reason you don't like her is because of it muscles it's like what where where have you been like this been so with her it all comes down to the muscles at first they tried to argue abby wasn't a realistic portrayal of a woman simply because she was well built and rather than acknowledge the existence of people outside of their tiny idea of what i would just call it with post apocalypse and that degree just just make sure it's no no problem is that we didn't acknowledge her existence what what that's what he said but she's that's why everyone hates her because we don't acknowledge her existence she's in the game we don't we don't acknowledge her existence well i'm saying acknowledging her the existence of people like her in the real world well it's like what they do about how you're denying the existence of what do they say they say that weird thing about like trans people and gay people and all that where we're like where we're we're experienced or whatever it's something about how we're i don't know maybe it'll come back to me but they say this weird thing that's something along the lines of we deny their existence or we're oh we're invalidating their existence or something like that right yeah let me just let me run back abby wasn't a realistic portrayal of a woman simply because she was well built and rather than acknowledge the existence of people outside of their tiny idea of what people can be yeah again this is oh my god jeez look at that oh that is insane and this is like the first you see of her after the you know the the golfing it reminds me of like you know like a column of kebab meat that spins just the leg off of some some animal just like i expect to see a bone sticking out of it like um like this is a food pickup from power peat no one's going to get that reference someone in the chat will remember is it power peat with the spirit thank you so much i whoever you are in the chat i don't know who you are yet you'll remember power peat and thank you so much for validating my existence by remembering power peat kebab will shave me off a slice of that jeez the abby this reminds me of that shot compared to other ones he's like whoa uh yeah anyway he decided it wasn't realistic that a woman could be so stacked but wait a minute alright so you got two abby checks and they're both really ripped alright but i know that arm isn't as thick as what we see how thick abby's are in certain shots this is what i mean like we have to be specific about what parts we're comparing if you just take like because several sections of abby's campaign are where she hasn't built up muscle yet you gotta be careful like the one that they got here i'm pretty sure is from when she's built it up but again like look at the shot though it's it's like i would describe her as fit rather than super muscular at this point it would like take time and effort to make a different model i just also post apocalypse that yes women and get that swell and more besides when it was pointed out that yes the very woman abby's design was based on was on the left though for a second there i thought that the you know to the left of her arm like the her actual torso was a part of the arm for a second there i was just like whoa was equally if not more muscular the outraged gamers changed to that tune now the popular argument because the person in real life lives in a real modern world with access to basically unlimited calories and lounge time in order to build one's body up to that point there's loads of options in real life with full resources to be able to do stuff with your body but like in post apocalypse i mean can be we be real and honest here too and this is not meant to disparage the female bodybuilders who do put a lot of work and effort into this stuff a lot of those people that you see and i don't know but any of the pictures that jim posted but a lot of that might be from steroid use it is not necessarily natural for women to have that kind women don't gain muscle as easily as men that is a biological truth all right counterpoint counterpoint there's no anti-doping laws in the post apocalypse yeah yeah even though there are women who can get that you know tanked basically it's very exceptional and out of the ordinary you say tanked tanked all right is that an Australian term to be tanked as in to be muscular oh no no no i carry on it's all good most people say tanky shad they say tanky there's no reason for anything tanky tanky my apologies god get it right it's almost like you're not abusive come on wait was this something else i already said what i needed okay go go post apocalypse yeah sure you see the same group status quo warriors who have spent years in this so called culture war defending unrealistic body types is something good to be status quo i hate it they say oh status quo like it has a negative connotation well he's suggesting that they've been the status quo warriors for a long time meaning there's reason for her to be muscular see i think they could justify it in a post pocket world but they'll need to justify it they need to show it downing food and working out they can they don't you're just gonna have to work your ass off in order to do it so his first piece of evidence is it's a world where she's a warrior and it's like okay that's not enough keep going yes i agree it's not enough what he isn't even believe sorry it is just physiologically easier for men to gain muscle than women that is a basic biological fact the amount of work and effort and training that abby would have to put in order to become as jacked as a dude is multiple times hey why do they even call it that word jacked yeah obviously like it's that's just a physiological reality and that's why it it people are are suspect of it i mean we can all envision the world where you have all maybe it's a shame that human beings are sexually demorphic is like if only we were all just think stuff off reasons things but that ain't the world that we're in and i they say it like we're blaming women like it's their fault and they have to be punished for it and besides like the conversation i feel like is over but he's still going it's like okay then let's see what else you got what other arguments do you want to bring up believable character design after all the defenses of chainmail bikinis and everything rob l i felt deep okay this is oh god so oh my god right if this was in the last of us two you can bet the people would be pointing it out the first person to point that out would be jim i actually have a whole definitely point that out what a comparison though like hey you don't complain about this where i could everyone complain about rob l i felt hurt literally everyone everyone makes fun of rob l i feel is the joke of the comic book industry yeah no one does that he drew is a big meme yeah i don't know yeah it's even worse than the person who drew gotham high oh yeah but like we were saying this near the beginning but like the we're not playing what did i call it explosion bros like this is the thing last of us very grounded so just while we're on the subject as well about the whole chainmail bikini things i actually have a whole video that's a defense of the chainmail barbarian bikini based on historical based on historical precedent historical precedent if anyone wants to know the historical justification of how you could work it into one there's a video of my channel going into the detail i will 100% check it out you know abraham lincoln was a historical precedent he was um so yeah he's i like the whole we're suddenly complain he's like wait what what no feel like this cause i just have many times over but alright suddenly complain i felt did to artistic concepts of human proportion suddenly the question of abby's large arms in a mushroom zombie video game have turned every they're other than zombie stuff built on being more realistic and grounded than other video games like uncharted upon i would say uncharted is relatively like it guns for recreating a realistic look as well but i'd still agree with this point of course the last of us is realistic and grounded the zombie stuff is drawing on something real i guess my question is that why is it always the critique of games like this is to um boil them down to their most basic elements in order to legitimize them the zombie mushroom game really okay but the reason why they went with that was to try and do a realistic take on zombies wasn't it so when people are like all zombie fungus stupid like wait no though hang on they think that's stupider than your standard zombies which are far harder to believe because it's just disease that makes you go nuts and die and also eat people's flesh and walk around it's like okay that seems very specific two big gamer with a twitter handle into an expert nutritionist who can scientifically argue that no women could get so hard in a poster so if you're gonna i love how the nuts that you pick are the responses from him if you're gonna do this right the conversation starts out with why don't you like the game and someone brings up among other points the arms and then he's like you do get the women can get that big right and the responses yeah maybe but not in this fucking environment yeah and then it's responses yeah well where are you complaining about this before it's like okay so you move the goalpost but i'll allow it uh i've complained about this in other things too i'm just saying it doesn't change the fact that this is a problem too and then he goes okay well it is possible if you consider that she's a war blah blah blah blah and then they go actually no and then they counter with their experience or understanding of protein diets workouts and stuff and then he's like wow you big nerd what are you doing i really think it's really bizarre for jim sterling of all people and again no bully but jim sterling of all people to talk about diet and health hey he might know about it you guys he heard about diets before he's heard about enemy no bully i mean you saw him drinking that outfit i mean look at his hair he knows how to diet so no bully presents the bully love it yeah all right let's see how he counters this one apocalypse you see there's no food in a zombie apocalypse so nobody can get the no it's not that there's no food it's the the food required to maintain this this is an impossibility being pushed into one person at the expense of other people yeah like i said even if the stadium they live at has enough food it would still be something they'd be like no abby abby stop stop well it is a stadium they definitely have the steroids and she's just shoving the fucking burritos down like abby no and they're pulling her arms away and then she bats them off ease the starving child in the corner every day abby stop abby look at that starving child she's like i don't care i'm gonna eat it starving child abby stop that's my horse i don't care i need my protein oh no you've triggered a memory i was i was on my phone last night going through reddit and there was this do you know nature is metal the subreddit it like not in reference to you metal don't worry it uh it's all about how nature when left alone holy fuck it could do some stuff that just makes you go all and some of the stuff is awesome like there was a lion getting attacked by a pack of hyenas and then this pack of well i don't even know if it's considered a pack of lions come in to defend the lion is like a big war and then the hyenas run the fuck off and it's like yeah it's like it's a fun little like movie moment however there are some other things that happen in this fucking video Kubodo dragon had like wounded a fawn that was pregnant enough and pulled out the kid and swallowed it whole like what i saw i was like jeez uh this this is i've heard of real but this is ridiculous like it just starts eating parts of the the mother as it tries to crawl away until it dies it's like some of the nature you scary no mother nature is beautiful i was eating my dinner and he was funny because in the comments some people were like this is all to see the most horrifying thing i've ever seen then some people were like oh you should see this yeah probably there's probably an insect that does something more gross oh yeah well this thing when looking up the quarter step stuff it's like oh it's based on a real thing we're a mushroom in fact an animal makes it climb to like a really high area that makes it climb up it's horrifying um nature scary humans need to make sure nature don't get out of hand okay that's why we're here we're like hey nature stop it that's rude and nature's like lol no komodo dragon y'all the environment until i learned about the environment there was a comment that was like komodo dragons are not familiar with the concept of cruelty i assume but still it does seem a little unsporting jesus they see it as a vending machine they punched it and something fell out they're like sweet they're like oh man that that komodo dragon was abby he's like oh she's pregnant good oh no also i like the that is the image on screen right now it's very suitable this this image right here of an empty plate is jim sterling's worst nightmare such a low blow right such an easy fat joke well i mean if you make it easy well sounds like you're being pretty fat being abusive and i'm not afraid i'm the opposite i'm afraid afraid of strong women nourishment they need to build up their bodies to get muscles in the first place that's logic that's suddenly been applied to a video game i mean sure she's not even that yeah we can apply other things too there's no more meat on it but also let's be frank people people call this out because if the game is trying to be really realistic then people are gonna think about it much more realistically than super mario if this was a 2d if it was a 2d side-scroller game or something that was highly stylized no one would give a single shit if they had featured a female character that was super buff in fact it would have a lot of fans and let's be honest why oh yeah but if you want to play the realistic game then you're gonna have to put up with the realistic consequences of people critiquing your game as if it's realistic you can't just be like oh i just want all the good stuff and i'm just gonna ignore of these aspects when they're criticized if it's the game you want to play then you're gonna have to be ready for it and did you hear his comment where he's like she's not that you know unrealistically built or something like that i forget the exact wording now it's like no she's still pretty on the high end of the spectrum there mate so this may come as a shock to ifab viewers and ifab people who hate ifab as a whole we all do go outside it is a thing i know i've i have advised against it it's a scary world there's this thing in the sky that shines light at you aggressively it's terrifying but um yeah i would say 99.9 percent of the women i see do not have arms that exceed or even match abby's length most of the women that i've seen have not actually been in my bedroom shocking as it is to believe damn it to my knowledge i think every single woman i've ever had you know contact or met in my entire life has not been that built not even close it's of a low likelihood that's if i saw do a double take it's not even a bad thing that's what i don't get it's not an insult to women it's not a slight to women just to say that this is an unrealistic female body type yeah you just gotta be like wow that's weird it'd be like if you saw if they put a man in a game who had boobs and wide hips you would go what that's very true now that's a trend that'll never catch on well we live in a 2020 world i'm not so sure about that nothing's impossible i suppose wonald trump signs an executive order to allow men in video games whoa he scares the gamer vote not my logic that suddenly been applied to a video game i mean sure she's not even that extremely muscular and has no more meat on her than many other men but we're not here to question one man in that game other than fat gear well even then like i say that and now i have to stop myself and think yeah who is more built than abby in modern video games even of guys i mean she's way up there yeah i feel like she could be a rich video game because like street fighter of course yeah i think she beat nathan drake in an arm wrestle okay i'm putting her out there and okay that's the same company right oh yeah the same company they would not allow abby to lose but in the context of the game world itself moeller was there any in-game character more built than her they're probably i'm trying to think like we got because ellie obviously not even tommy obviously not mani no uh what's his name the one that she sexes no um oh there's gotta be no to isaac i mean joel might be physically larger he might be physically wider right but there was the friar tuck woman that uh that she was big but she was muscular friar tuck woman she was dressed like fucking i don't know i don't know her name she was the first like boss interaction with the pickaxe uh but you know here's a really good idea if someone has access to the game files take joel the masculine manly protagonist that we're all supposed to worship or whatever and put his model next to abby and see which one is wider and fitter in terms of like models i i think there's one that beats the other just having looked at the images casually abby looks way more built but like this is it's again it's a video game so someone can get into the files and do this right probably yeah most likely actually they can't just keep getting away with this male body types are we get out of here with that kami logic and sure we could say that in a game about mushrooms the size of the is he making a caricature of people criticizing him that yeah that's it it's just because he's a kami and he's mad like lol kami mad i just like the idea that you take a hot take on a game and then like you're still like because of kami wait what's happening let me add that to my list of reasons fucking shut the fuck up communist it's a weird world we live in um but yeah i was gonna say hello so we're two and a half hours already jesus christ time is traveling um we got what does someone just fucking rudely interrupt me abusively yeah well i'm upset now do we better apologize for your abusive interruption yeah we go um we might get out of here with your kami logic people say i should get to help that it's like yeah i guess so what do you even like you just randomly say like you disagree you consider my arguments kami logic i don't even know interrupt your conversation more like interrupt our conversation comrad i i i i i i was uh i was watching because because they're they're taught they had in the in the black ops for the new the cold war call of duty and in the trailer they had yuri bezmanov and he was talking about communist stuff they did and all the all the communist tears so upset that the game might actually portray the ussr is really fucking bad wow one of the comments to the tweets was i can't wait to see all the starving rush it's like oh my god the funniest shit about that right is um wow i'm a communist and i can't support this game that makes millions of dollars for this multi-million dollar company because it insulted communism but that's the only reason why i would have bought it otherwise i was like shut the fuck up communist i need to get just the thing just a badge made shut the fuck up they would have been 100 would have been completely on board with again a multi-million dollar video game made by a massive company that rakes in profits if they just hadn't insulted communists you know i knew a guy who was actually he did he did yard work and he would rake in the profits who oh jesus i think oh my god what happened what is this um wait mell jump out in case that's the reason we're getting fucked over i don't know yeah that that that i will uh because this is going to be a whole rotation thing um mell was the first and now he is the first to go i'm so sorry my my my german uh but we'll pop you back in probably at some point later when everybody is still being around see you later okay tell my story something must be happening internet historian are you like streaming video oh there we go it's back oh i must have been hello there oh sorry hello what are you doing full of abusive gamers i'm tired of you saying things about my favorite channel jim sterling and my favorite video game character abby abby and jim sterling and i don't know what would be the third prong on that holy trinity um i guess the third prong might be the my most hated character joel like oh yeah and oh yeah the the character no one actually liked all along the most hated character in video games joel how you been mr historian you've been watching some of this video in the in the chat there yeah i've been sort of shit posting for the last half hour just saying dumb shit i mean you you've you played the game i you mainly hated abby for muscles right what no i love the game and i especially loved it for the i loved it for the muscles and i loved it for that uh romantic uh sex scene um not at least a couple times there because i've got a high IQ and um you put that one on the page and then high IQ is sex scene he's trying to stand the sex scene to be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand the sex scene one of these days you'll understand why this sex scene is so good ugh ugh oh dear can't wait for the remastered version so that we can watch in 4k at 120 frames per second say that like going backwards and forwards with no motion blur whatsoever it'd be brilliant if they release uh last of us two remastered on ps5 i can't wait to see the sales that's gonna be so much fun well you know there's sort of a trend now to do all kinds of retro ps1 style games i'd really prefer if they release it back in like 3dp or whatever 320p just complete blocking file sexy and that would be much better for me can you get peepo dlc that can cover it i think that would be like someone consumers might want might tempt you to buy it yeah i like that idea just sort of rough polygons it's just colliding with each other over some bad 8 bit music yeah let's just think of the themes as it plays out the cycles of sexual violence so uh yeah if you um we might have to start reposting it with all this junk in the chat if you see the link to the old watch together there we're just checking out some of his thoughts on um on this wonderful game and the latest argument is uh that we would assume that we would claim he's using communist logic not not sure what um you guys aren't communists i just i don't know where i'm gonna play it again so that we can yeah it's extremely muscular and has no more meat on her than many of the men but we're not here to question male body types are we get out of here with that because abby isn't a man that's just objectively wrong she has more meat on her than the other men in the game you can see it just on my side i wish she had less meat in her i get it alright i like that that's very good i'm gonna write that down not my best game not my best game not my best game about mushroom zombies the size of a character's arms aren't the biggest suspension of disbelief out there but that they are though because and i in my my evidence is that people aren't talking about how one of these things is unbelievable and they're talking about how the other thing is believable congratulations you made the shape of a woman's body less believable than a mushroom zombie apocalypse good job naughty dog you did it it's a thing they they based it on cordyceps and it is fiction it's a thing that hasn't happened they're calling it a thing in this world that did happen unless they want to be like yes there are women now who are like built like trucks that's just a thing in this universe like okay but they didn't it's just the one well to dig into that idea a bit further it's the fact that there's a direct call like point of reference that people exist in the real world people exist in the game we can compare the people in the game to the people in the real world see how realistic they are are there you know fungus zombies in the real world not for people and so therefore you know you can make up what you want and there's not really anything clashing without understanding of reality there so that's how it works basically Jim that's why don't you find it fascinating I'll be quick I swear just that we're now appealing to whether or not something is realistic when previously he was appealing to the possibility and that it should be accepted like which one is it kind of both exactly it's it's fantasy it's fiction it's it's unreality you can do whatever the heck you want it's only because the last of us it has presented itself as so grounded in reality so grounded as being a realistic kind of game that it then makes people laugh when they see something that is so clearly unrealistic this reminds me of when Battlefield 1 came out and they had Battlefield 5 even we'll take it up to something more we'll talk about the newest discontinued game from DICE but when Battlefield 5 came up and they had this the woman the sniper the woman on the front lines with a face paint and the prosthetic arm in the trailer people were like wait a second this is really fucking weird like wait what and everyone said oh you can't believe that but and so I had to get into the whole aspect of like people respawn in video games they reincarnate after death and then continue on fighting a battle over and over but we accept that for the purposes of a game and playing it in the mechanics and it's a very common yeah things are ranked differently on our suspension of disbelief o meter and seeing a bunch of women run around in a World War 2 game is uh definitely lower in there sorry higher in the disbelief rankings than actual reincarnation because you know games in the aspects mechanically of games that we have and you have to live with if you want to keep playing the game yeah people are the level of suspension of disbelief is so high that you really have to push the boundaries and it is I think context dependent right but people don't if you're playing Skyrim or whatever you install your big titty mod it's not going to break anybody's suspension of disbelief and play in Skyrim but it's totally different in a game that purports to be realistic by the way I'm not sure if it's on the monitor for everyone else but this screenshot you've got the quarter step lady by the way I just want to point out she's got nicer tits than every dude oh the quarter step lady hang on let me roll it back because everyone's called to this dude I see a guy I see an evil white man staring at me get that off of there oh she reminds me her tits remind me of the tits of that one chick from that death spa movie where she had her tits burned in the tanning booth and she was like oh I got her tits oh I had seen that one you talking about you talking about someone covered by red light media or you talking about final destination yeah yeah that thing there's more than one movie where a girl gets her boobs burned off in the tanning tits are a trope in media that needs to end yes it's a communist trope I don't want my tits rare no I want common but nevermind a game about mushrooms on vista size of a character's arms aren't the biggest suspension of disbelief out there but that kind of bullshit isn't going to get those cocks jerking is it and sure I just like the idea I'm masturbating to Ellie in the first I guess is really that his thesis is that the only reason the people played The Last of Us the first time is to jack it to Ellie in which case I have more questions about you Jim than anyone else he's like you fuckers you just want to wank to the main character don't you that's it that's weird dude can I just ask being like really honest with yourselves right if Abby was like cute anime character with big titties would you probably be more forgiving of her character by the end 100% honesty she was like oh Abby you know so sorry and then low cut top and all that stuff would you maybe just have a tinge more sympathy no if it could be qualified down to like if you spell it s-i-m-p maybe but I don't know I'll say if she was really kawaii I might have sympathy Joe can I hit you with a golf club hold into one I think I think that would open up in that way if we went to the additional realm of enjoyment for a group of people for her like I said she didn't matter if she was hot or not she's going down we're taking that cutscene death every opportunity we can get there was quite a few but hey if there was a sense that we could like her a little bit more it's going to be if we were on the scale right of a thousand points on the scale and she's at like a one in terms of hatred going from zero most and ten thousand to loving it might have ticked up by one maybe one maybe a half you know what I think would help you know what I think would help gives her happy point what if Abby was just irreconcilably evil just completely evil but no I mean anime character style just laughing it up and reveling while she's gulping Joel I think that might be a more enjoyable character the fact that they were trying to make people like her and make her try to be oh no she's really a good person in these other sections of the game but if they just don't morally agree it would be evil you could just imagine her like she was about to go off on the boat and then instead she's doing like Joel impressions just kill me now all that sort of stuff instead of getting off on the boat it would have worked as the screen points out apparently alcohol and rag equal health kit is this true rag I think we all know what happens when he makes alcohol with rags and it's not a health kit one might even say it could represent the opposite but that's neither here nor there go ahead Jim there are supplement pills found in every drawn cupboard that the protagonists chow down without hesitation but that's just video wait are we using that as an argument she's been eating steroids so it's okay yeah this reminds me of the the what was the group when kingdom come deliverance came out they said all things can't be realistic because I can chug a health potion and my health bar goes up was that inside gaming I don't know but if you want to go this I was fun house wasn't it well let's just be realistic about what the pills you find in the game are they're presumably like acetaminophen right yeah they're not they're not steroids something that you would actually find in every person's average house some kind of pain killer or maybe maybe let's go even further they are supplements that give you things like more molotovs like wait that doesn't make any sense at all it's like well uh shut up it would be great though like you know how in fable like as if people want at least like as you do more bad good deeds or bad deeds your character changes as your character likes joel more you become more and more evil or as your character takes just more like pain pills they become more buff just it makes me oh yeah oh yeah it's basically your health it's just pain pills believability and don't pull this bullshit about how all things on the realism chart are exactly equally waited I don't think this argument from people like him but they make it in his crazy will though I don't think it's still doesn't work he's like you're saying that she wouldn't be able to do it without being like like she's got access to steroids and then like he invents the counter argument of yeah but those are just mechanics though he's like oh so is that how it works now when it's like no the counter is I don't even think those are steroids and this is certainly not a part of the game and what do you even what where are we going with this abby wants to just take steroids like regular he started this argument by just saying by not inducing or introducing a steroid argument at all and just saying she works at it and then he introduces the steroid argument as a supplemental to his original critique so it seems basically in research right you're supposed to start out with a hypothesis and then find data that support it rather than starting out with a hypothesis and then finding and basically like going through and and picking out things that support your hypothesis and explain that gradually any reasonable person would be able to say shut up it's a video game the reasonably muscular arms are among the more believable suspensions of disbelief in a mushroom zombie video game and that's even if you think they're not real well then that is the fact that we are talking about these why didn't it happen why didn't everyone believe it more so than the zombie mushrooms why and his explanation the same thing when and a big anime did his come up and you said misogyny well that's the thing his answer will be well because you guys fucking hate women like ugh I also just find it odd that he goes back to this zombie mushroom game and it's so dismissive yeah they put a decent amount of work into trying to make it grounded the quarters apps thing that was the whole goal they were like we don't just have zombies I definitely think that's a triumph for the game I think they did a really good job with that neat stick in the first place but that doesn't do enough to counteract the sheer hypocritical stupidity of a group of little oh do you remember when the pregnant lady has been shot in the back and she didn't even notice that was great hmm that's just a game you can get shot not die so yeah sorry I interrupted his his little rant there I'll roll him back game and that's even if you think it's unrealistic in the first place but that doesn't do enough to counteract the sheer hypocritical stupidity of a group of literal wankers who only ever shout really when it's convenient when they're trying to get an unconventional video game protagonist erased or falsely claiming that black people weren't around in the olden days oh no that's what I was talking about black people were a magic barrier on the north edge of Africa that's such a straw man holy fuck what a straw man that's amazing black people went around in the olden days nobody's ever fucking said that what do you mean the CIA invented black people in the 70s we all know come on this is what I mean like Jim you know you know what you're doing like you know full fucking well well he have either he I don't actually think Jim is stupid right so he has to know what the hell he's saying yeah in that the critique of Mordhau is that there weren't black people during the middle ages but maybe not in in these regions yeah it's a game based off of European you know medieval renaissance you know that era and there were yeah there were you had the Moors in Spain and all that stuff but this isn't based on that but what a minority at that point in time and if you're making a even if it's a fantasy game if it's a historically based fantasy game there's no reason to to veer that far away from history and one thing that they need to realize and they don't which is weird because you'd expect people who talk about games a lot to understand games more is that if you get if you say okay well yeah it there were black people in Europe at the time I'm sure there were or yeah some women did fight in World War one so you know sure that that so that should be a thing you can pick as an option is that you're going to get 30 40 maybe 50 percent of players choosing to plays women or you know whatever percentage of players who will choose the black person option when you're playing a historical European fighting game and that will destroy the immersion because not just one person in a server of 64 is going to choose the black guy I don't even know if I care about the immersion but too much personally but I just yeah I guess I just because it doesn't it doesn't necessarily bother me but if well maybe on the online space if you're playing the not online version of a game would make less to incorporate that kind of stuff but with online stuff I do get the I do get it people want to customize characters people want to make their own thing and that's fine but it should be thematically consistent right so I don't know I agree with Jim game is racist game is sexist I just like I agree with Jim but this is yeah okay part of the cool kids club now of the correct video game opinion havers it is true gamer bad well I'm going to score a collab with him so that last comment derailed everything that he said before because now I can't remember what he said before the don't worry too much I don't think it matters every frame of pause you kidding me let's do this of a group of literal wankers who only ever shout realism when it's convenient when they're trying to get conventional video game protagonist erased or falsely claiming that black people see that's oh man is like I I rag on unrealistic things all the bloody time and is just like oh no they only do it when it's you know I mean again I'm trying to think of an instance where gamers didn't call it out like when it was going the other way right again with like with high fantasy games or games that are set in a completely different universe no one has a problem with stuff this time yeah like skyrim you could play as the red guards and no one gives a shits they have curved swords I I still criticize wrong swords by the way the red guards invented the nukes in the invented actual nuclear weapons in the Elder Scrolls universe it's called the pan crato sword and is literally a nuclear weapon what is this whole like on the matter of the swords in skyrim you have to have a look at their weight balance and then also the structure and proportions and the hilts are a bit too big as well and there's a hand size and then the great swords I'll stop dude are you like obsessed with swords or something hey maybe something like that you're one of those literal wankers I've heard Jim abusive that's what they are somehow somehow I'm only criticizing the realism because it's I'm targeting women and I'm sexist must be well it just seems to always be they want to put there I say it women and minorities into places where you don't expect to see them or it doesn't make sense or it's not immersive or it isn't historically accurate or something and that's why it pops up because I'm sure if we had a like if Sekiro was the game where you were just randomly a white guy like people would need an explanation for that you know like the Thanos' weapon that Shad taught a pieces I don't think I call anyone's video saying like Shad you're preventing the existence of that weapon like what why are you denying if Thanos was a female then no like Shad you sexist how dare you because I'm trying to explore the statements it's just so strange to me is he saying that by us being like hey her muscles are we are then preventing people who look like her from existing in real life like socially or something probably there's another thing I didn't mention before that's called an expectancy violation which makes people psychologically uncomfortable when you expect one thing and you see something that conflicts with your expectations it actually makes you feel upset so it doesn't necessarily doesn't mean anything in terms of whether it's right or wrong but it explains why when you see a big muscular woman it makes people feel kind of uncomfortable because it's just violating their expectations sorry no people are going to hear that what they're going to do is they're going to hear that and they're going to say so that's why you didn't like the last Jedi because it subverted your expectations therefore well violation of something when you expectancy violation it is just a psychological process that means that when you see something that really freaks you out that that does not mean what you expect to happen it's an uncomfortable psychological state and this is why it does mean that it's why media that does quote unquote violate expectations or breaks the mold in some way people don't tend to like it because to a degree people want some logical consistency otherwise it is literally psychologically uncomfortable was it unexpected more just like a sort of uncanny valley sort of thing because I thought when I first saw Abby I wasn't like oh there's a surprise and you know what I mean I think Abby might be more of the uncanny valley kind of effects than expectancy violation I when I first saw Abby I actually thought it was a guy she was a guy I was just like whoa similar response just really striking you know wow okay but anyway the point that Jim is making here that it's just such bull crap that we're saying that game is only rag on realism when you know they're trying to push an ideological position or something like absolute bull crap I mean Jim would never want to push an ideological position himself that would be that wouldn't be right he's above that it's not like Jim actively says that he's a political actor or anything in any way I'm pretty sure this is entirely fueled by that he's not talking about anything to do with the game and it seems like he's done another video that's only about harassing people have you explored anything about this game that's the fucking flawed I'm guessing not and then you combine that with pretty sure he avoids the coverage he avoided the coverage of Battlefield 5 in like a negative light because of that it's like it's a game that you don't go after that one actually it's a it's a plus for us so let's not it's like even if it has really controversial elements anyway moving on it's like hey which is a shame because integrity when it comes to microtransactions and loot boxes and stuff is part of what you know gains him a hell of a lot of respect I would imagine I respect Jim 100% for his strong stance they're not wanting to get fleeced yes well because and he defends epic games exclusives he does he does oh man I haven't been paying enough attention I guess yeah I haven't paid attention to a while to him in a while so this is a break in the streak of my blissful ignorance of Jim Sterling the last time he was covered was actually to a tee to the very minutes a year ago on you found so how about that once once a year is all I could handle of Jim Sterling just one a year there's already another video of his I want to cover so see you next year for that guys right falsely claiming that black people weren't around in the olden days which is why games set in medieval Europe should only have white characters idiots what makes this situation so absolutely absurd they should be all black people I'd say there's plenty about the movement of populations within you know medieval and early modern times because you know about all of the black people that lived in England in 1300 didn't you know that Shakespeare was black well that's the narrative do you remember that meme that was like I want to portray Hitler as he was meant to be a proud African-American woman and yeah we have we have another guest to rotate in and thus someone has to rotate out like how we're maintaining seven that's a fucking juggling like crazy but that ultimately a good and just a moment I shall get them in you know them well it's not well no it is the weekend so it counts me that's a big clue as to who it is by the way but yeah I was just going to say you know how big people who hate EFAP they might casual checks out here and then be like ugh I don't like that argument but I guess they made one at least Jim's attempt at getting people to his side I imagine just idiot abusive you're like man this is not convincing me I feel like this is just a war cry for the people on your team already that's about it yeah I don't think he's got any interest in convincing anyone which is a shame facts that it's a mushroom zombie game and a pair of above average biceps are the least of the fiction it's that even within the world of The Last of Us Part 2, Naughty Dog went out of its way to show that Abby actually what if Abby had a third arm let's imagine what if Abby had a third arm it's really really transphobic of you to not assume she doesn't or to assume she doesn't so maybe one of her legs identifies as an arm I don't know but the thing is if we had something that was really blatant like Abby just having a third arm for whatever reason and he could make the same argument about oh it's the mushroom zombie apocalypse but you think it's really weird for her to have a third arm gamers idiots hold on they've got a they've got a pause here on the schedule like she works out a lot but she does maybe only one I can't read all of that but it looks like one off a body day one day of jogging one day of exercise and I can't squiddly diddly I don't know that middle one three days of rest and three rest days how's she getting that body with one or two days of upper body she can't is the point I'm doing more of that the thing is it's a fairly normal normal workout for a guy and again as I said before like for women to get this buff requires so much more work because women don't gain muscle as easily so that's not going to cut it someone someone actually sent me a message and said that the abbey body model is one of the best crossfit athletes in the world but she spent like 10 maybe 15 years getting there I believe that and that's again in a non starvation level society where she probably has all kinds of very specified routines not just physical but also in terms of what she consumes in order to be able to achieve that well this is an interesting development I followed this around a little bit because smud boy got into trouble with this on twitter tweeting out that this is so the way the conversation goes right unrealistic not possible and then a lot of people posted this they were like aha the game actually accounted for these nerds they didn't realize this game says exactly how she's doing it get fucked and then someone who does this stuff looked into it and was like yep no not possible with this workout schedule with three things a week that big red post the people that brought it up were like what the fuck do you mean it's not important you were supposed to be on our side they brought it up it was countered by someone and they get pissed when that happens and they're like what the fuck is wrong with you you obsessed you look at look at the piece of paper in a video game what is wrong and it's like you guys brought it up look at the information you brought up a large part of it from my understanding is that you have a shitload to do in this society that isn't building muscle so those rest days are kind of fucked I was like oh I'm sorry I can't rebuild defenses I can't stack supplies I can't organize our food this is one of my rest days sorry guys what a bunch of racists hi whitey I just came here to say that you're all racist and how dare you how dare you not allow Abby to be who she is a buff lady in the midst of an apocalyptic zombie event how dare you how dare all of you hey look we're abuseful of that yeah team I know team swapping team muscles in apocalypse you can swap teams until the EFAP is over those are the rules is that team muscles in the apocalypse or is that team muscles in the apocalypse apocamasks apocamasks yeah sure why not problem also I went to pocahontas a few days ago I just want to point out like I don't know if anyone has said this in the chat or in the discussion but Abby is the only fit person in her team and all the other people that are fit are in the other side like fat Gerald pickaxe boys I think moller mentioned the pickaxe boys the final boss in the island is like freakishly muscular and they don't even the game actually like I'm actually replaying it now and seeing the footage I have they got these farms right and they got meat and they got this workout Abby but Abby is the only person in her team that is as fit as her so it actually highlights how improbable her whole scenario is so yeah the other thing that actually the workout sheet doesn't answer and we have touched on it just tangentially already is that to build up that level of muscle your food intake is like three times the average person or more like it's like those body builders they eat stacks and so that's the thing that yeah okay she could work out heaps but if she's not having the intake the protein and the calories and stuff she's not gonna put on the muscle and in a post apocalyptic zombie setting is like yeah we were joking about the starving child of the corner of the food she would have to eat but that's actually a legitimate thing would they give her a triple to quadruple portion of food to feed in a setting like that well it's not just food it's like specific foods as well like protein I don't know where you're gonna get whey powder or creatine and the post apocalyptic with the burritos you don't know what those burritos are Spanish Neil Druckmann takes two burritos and Abby only has one at least well again they are set up in an old football stadium right so probably there's a lot of tracker deck diet but even if they did have a lot of food it would be portioned out and rationed and given the same amount why would she you know get three times in average Abby needs more whey protein than others if we were like a little town council that organized the whole stadium and they're like is it okay if one of our participants eats three times the amount of rations to build up muscle we don't be like uh I don't know we have that to spare I say three times it's probably more than that I guess like okay because again this is not to be sexist speaking as a women but you would have to not give that much to a man to build up the same amount of muscle so it would make sense if you were like hey we need to build up this warrior class essentially if you want to build up a sport and esk society we have to build up this warrior class to defend us because we live in this post apocalyptic hell but why would you pick a woman who needs so much more energy in terms of k-calories why completely lost your head Aiden that's your internal misogyny talking excuse me stop being so misogynistic I don't care what you say man women are a different species you can sort of imagine what's that horizon zero dawn right it's about this lady and she's like on the outskirts of the tribes and so she has to go it alone it would sort of make sense why she would be the character to do that But Evie's always joined by a group of people with guns anyway So like what is the motivation to get super swole compared to everyone else? People argue with a group of eight to take on Joel people argue It's because she wants to hunt down and kill Joel. It's like that's not even in the game There's no scene where she's like I'm getting buffed to get that fucker, you know like that sort of thing There's nothing. It's just oh, yeah, I've just been getting buff. You're like That's her historian that raises a really good point if she if her goal was to kill Joel Getting swole wouldn't be that like maybe getting fit so she could run. Oh, you better be careful. You're dangerously close to rhyming But getting really good with her guns aiming practicing because yes, I guns happen to be far more lethal than muscle You know lies Can I tell you I think martial art movies have clearly disproved that all right We watched something recently the most lethal is to have a gun that shoots dinosaurs at people We watched we watched Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. Oh my god, I can safely say it is one of the worst movies I've ever watched in my life The ultimate design is to have a gun that shines a laser at someone and you press a button on the dinosaur We'll attack the person you shine a laser at now laser point. I need you to think for five seconds about what? Alternate things you could do if you were aiming a gun at someone and you've got them on the laser pointer Is there any other action you could take? Enthusiast myself I also have guns that have laser pointers on them and that I can make bad things happen to whatever the laser is pointing at You know make it look like an accident In Portland they have been actively putting laser pointers into cops eyes to try and blind them that allowed Kind of mess your stuff up imagine they had a dinosaur gun And I thought that's way better Aiden and we can worry both halves on the screen, but they both the correct halves. I don't know how it happened You see because any of the other people getting cut in half would just it would work This is yeah, this is one hell of a coincidence. EFAP is pulling This is a Christmas miracle Halloween has death decay destruction Actually does have access to regular meals and a fitness regimen Narratively, of course the game establishes that Abby spent the past few years Specifically training herself physically for the task of wreaking revenge on Joel. No, it doesn't she does never anything for that It almost comes across. She just fucking happened to do it. Yeah, I mean to be okay Maybe I'm wrong. Is there a scene where she says that shit or is it just no no She she says once that hey, I benched 185 and Owen goes no way Hey, and then I know like no way That she becomes a behemoth. We're supposed to assume from from that line that oh Okay, that would be a game I would have preferred the campaign of her building yourself up and she actually like does dangerous Semi-dangerous things in aid of like preparing For the task of finding and killing Joel and that she knows that her team will never let her do it So she's gonna have to break away from them as well Like I feel like you could make a really interesting campaign out of that But no one's the modern version of we fit. I can't remember what it's called the ring fit It's just you have yeah get get balked with Abby Nintendo we in the world and she uses it to go on a journey of working You'd think that they would have focused a little harder on that right the whole like She's this way because she's been like crafted over time by a desire for vengeance as opposed to no, hopefully people will pick it up I guess No Moller Winter and she just kills him in the beginning of the game, but that's it Like just a bad inference to make because it doesn't seem to draw on anything. It's like your only reference would be Just connecting to describe elements. Yeah, because you and you'd be like what about counter references Like well the fact that when she they find out Joel is a thing She's like surprised and she tells people like oh shit We got a thing on Joel's like so were you just were you just bulking up just in case this whole time? Is it a hobby a parent like if I bump into Joel I want to be strong enough to beat his ass To me it looks like it's just a hobby, but No, that's that's more than a hobby I know I know She doesn't look like a post-apocalyptic zombie hellscape So I I guess it doesn't make sense as to why you would want to be as strong as possible, right? Yeah, sure Oh, yeah, she just The whole thing if you wouldn't look I guess just look at serocon from t2. That's what she should end up looking like Really lean and tough The muscles are just it's what you've ended up with instead of To get a word's arms to these levels of thickness like damn you got to get some shit going serocon is a perfect um Comparison because it's like okay. We look at a woman in a in a very desperate situation Yeah, she actually did it too. Like she's a real man. Yeah, exactly a real man Seroconer is a real man Yes Everyone should watch t2. It's really awesome just saying On top of that we see very early in the game that the settlement Abby lives in has a fully function Can he please decide if he's gonna argue in favor of it being completely realistic or that we shouldn't care whether or not It's realistic You can't have both He has proposed an argument that defeats exactly what I'm saying here, which is the wall. It's a zombie game Why does it matter? That's what I mean, man What do you believe jim do you believe we shouldn't care about it or do you believe that it is realistic and so caring about it Is important and that it works Seconds before this line. He said it's a stupid zombie mushroom game and now here's how it's going Yeah, it yeah, they're ridiculous to try and take this realistically Here's all the evidence that I will now be presenting for why it can be taken and should be taken realistically You know agricultural system, you know farms and shit. She's eating fucking burritos part way through That's an argument against it for it. Yeah No guys burritos have all the protein she needs, you know, they're just like shoving protein powder into the burritos What are you talking about calories or calories, right? I feel sorry for that poor starving child She's like no, I mean look at the look at the dude to the to the back Still right there. It's like fuck you've taken an extra burrito. That's fucked up There's my burrito days as opposed to apocalypse that burrito is all I've been looking forward to And that cook is like damn you just took three. Okay. Holy shit. I worked like no time on those Hey, look at the size of the dudes the shaft's on by the way The funny thing about that scene everyone hates mani. Yeah, like yeah, fuck mani. So What do you mean mani has a father who's got arthritis? Oh my god Oh, no, it makes me feel bad for his father not for mani. Oh, well Mani's also a ladies man for some reason. Oh, he has a character. Oh Oh, he likes the dog. Oh Dude when he gets his head shot off, it's such a just like oh Yes Thank you. So I mean at that point in the game. I was like, okay game. You do like me a little bit, don't you? How does she know that those burritos aren't bigot burritos? Oh That's concerning because you know, yeah, who would eat a bigot burrito Abby it's nothing but bigot burritos and and ellie would have turned out like abby if she ate the bigot sandwiches Oh, I see. I want to know how she knows. They're not rat burritos Well, they're they're wrapped Rat as a rat as in Mickey Mouse burritos. Well, it's a good Mickey Mouse It's made them rats for our burritos I I'm also disappointed with the depiction of this game. Um, the farmland to people ratio I almost like the people who made this game know absolutely nothing about Hey people seem to are about workouts in general also And they have a gym to make a a five by five Minecraft wheat field And it will just it will just keep a population thriving and alive Like you wouldn't care you wouldn't cut you totally wouldn't cover every possible tillable piece of soil and food Yeah, all you need is is just a couple. I mean have you seen Did you see the chas garden and stuff they set up That's that's this basically garden in so many coats Garden, yeah, they're godness throughout this world that a cringey. We need to be garden it because it's always got Through the game just after asking what's for lunch to indicate that they have if not a fully balanced diet then certainly a No, no There is a comment she says burritos again burritos again burritos are a fully balanced diet It's unbalanced because some days they don't have burritos, which is technically an imbalance I like he would have he he's lying Like he would have played the scene They would have in the moment where they say like oh burritos again the implication being like Yeah, we don't have the greatest variety of food here that he's like they have a fully balanced diet No, they don't Let's be fair to jim. It probably is a fully balanced diet. It's got It's got meat the end balance Enough one to where they're eating different stuff on top of all that eating different stuff What a great great image to to put She's hungry I Abbey's role in the settlements is a physical one. She goes out patrol Oh my god, what a disgusting image though She's got a physical role. She goes out So the the body of a hiker goes out. He's gonna be a bit different than the body of an abbey You know like if you go out hiking to the Grand Canyon and stuff like that And you just take a look at all the people that you see They're not gonna look like abbey. No, I don't know google hiker and google hiker woman And I dare they're probably gonna be slim and and and fit and yeah, they're lean, but they're strong Nope for endurance and stamina And you know carrying stuff on their back and not tiring out. They're not gonna be what abbey's Not a big fucking hole I'm scrolling google limit as we speak and there's not one that looks like abbey Oh my i'm so shocked. Wait, you're telling me all the people who do the exact same job She does none of them look like her and therefore this point is moot. What are you what? What? No, what no way stop that Racist abusive On top of all that abbey's role in the settlement is a physical one. She goes out patrol all physical things are the same To jim sterling, I guess I was gonna say going outside. That's quite a physical task You have to for jim for jim. That's a major task I could imagine jim sterling at the front door trying to turn the knob He recently moved to like Atlanta or something didn't he he moved to the south and and as a brit bong Apparently he he's completely suffering from the heat. I remember watching some video of him just Just suffering from it being warm outside I don't think beginning of this video had a skit of him complaining of it being so hot Oh, yeah His face was melting This is the jim sterling activities to scale guys. So going out. It's like top tier He really should have said because he goes on to say fights and patrols It's like you should just go with that. You should have said she goes out Going out Well just guys, please. Let's be fair. Remember what it's like to go out as jim sterling You got to put on your whole suit and all your buttons and your big It's got to be hot Job is physical. She is fed and even if even if that's not enough to 100 explain how muscular I'm really disappointed His face like I don't know is she looks like she's she's having a moment Maybe maybe Ellie's thinking if I if I eat a part of her I will become as buff as her Exactly The biggest secret she's eating what you eat, right? Make me strong flesh Seriously here. I'm just so big. I'm surprised. She can't just close and Ellie's head pops off like you Just do it. That's the that's another problem with the abby boss fight. It's so unrealistic That might even last that long the second that you get tangled in a physical conflict. It's over like abby should be crush Ellie Yeah, yeah, just file driver ellie and gg. It's did anybody play that section Like happy like yay. I get to play as the character defeating ellie like why weren't why are you doing this? well, I got I got into a twitter Conversation with a person actually likes the last of us two, but she did not like that part of the game Like I think everyone who even like the last of us two don't doesn't like the part where you have to fight ellie as abby Again, I I agree with you Psychologically again, it's counterintuitive You're set up so much to identify with this one main character and see the other character as a villain Even if they give her a backstory and force you to play as her the the backstory is Placed so far after all the terrible stuff that she did that no matter what they could possibly do You are set up inherently as a participant to view this character negatively And then they make you play as her There is no at that point There is no incentive as a player as a participant to watch the character you are playing as to win It is counterintuitive to every aspect of gameplay from from a gameplay and psychological point of view It is counterintuitive All of sexist abusive language that's why it's ingenious Yeah, yeah, it's averted your contemplations or whatever. Yeah, because you see the bad guy Has a motivation and that's deep, right? Yep Yep That so our game is a meaningful experience Even though it doesn't make sense. Thank you the last of us part two Directed by Neil Druckmann also this this image on the previous one the the teeth and like gum from from abby really remind me of incident historian's avatar This freeze frame right here. It's a bad gum ratio. Yeah The what was on right now if abby was a guy this would be depicting sexual assault Oh, yeah. Oh, I thought the red on your avatar was lips It hit well Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's not the gums. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's just coming on here gum Yeah, we tried it before I had to rearrange my entire world view. I just wanted me No, it's not. Yeah. Yeah. PSA. Yeah. No, it's not the gums Oh god now I can't stop Oh somebody has said abby historian Oh, oh my god That's a good point though in that did they make the villain abby because if they made The villain a man who had all the same characteristics of abby it would be sexist or rape or whatever Is that really the onus of this decision? I don't know. It wasn't uh, didn't people say in concept abby used to be um, uh She's definitely a girl still But um, I think she was black as well like that used to those like the first Oh, you But the doctor No, no, no, no But if they'd made a a white male after that that would have been oof that would just damn It actually would have if this is the point they want to go with Um, I I feel like making her a white man probably would have actually sold their message better I don't understand it It's still more explanation than any other video game gives for any other body type in any other fucking Here's a war Yes, where we think that that is insanely silly. Yes. Yeah, we've all we've all accepted this years ago Yeah, we just roll with it. You know the space marines are very unrealistic body type No, and also Even though you have an explanation the explanation is bad. So I don't see why are we celebrating this shitty explanation? It's like oh, but they sort of tried it's like what in Giza wall I always thought it gives a wall that it was just a universe of like these like Chungus people. I was just like why are they Why do they look this way? They all have tree truck decks and stuff Well, I mean in a sci-fi setting it's just almost taken for granted that there would be an advanced technology That would help people get buff and it's not that much of a you know Think it's like yeah, okay Giza war is not like a game that's like we are grounded and realistic. It's like the game's often absurd It's very silly That's good, but it's very silly. Oh guys. It has burritos for people. Okay So that makes it make sense. They decided to feed their army a pure burrito diet But I Again, I would compare it to to 40k right where like it would be getting mad that all of the Space Marines in 40k are super buff when there is and it's not so much. They're not even human They're not they're genetically engineered to be in that way and as far I mean everyone is like that in gears Space burritos that it's oh, that's it space burritos. Excuse me Yeah, probably all those new organs are just that process the space burritos Extra thick to process those space burritos I just find it amusing that he's referencing gears of war Of all things really the thing that we all agree is very silly forever for how wide everyone is Marcus phoenix is the most realistic game character ever invented. Yes I've never seen a neck that's actually thicker than the face, but He's two people stapled together There's another smaller person inside of him. Oh wait using Marcus is like a flesh mech In men in black in men in black where there's a little alien inside What's the argument this time though if we if we're going after our dudes and all this stuff Do we are we bigoted to oh god? What's happening? Oh no, you screwed it up as a simple out be bigoted towards everyone Oh Okay, man, it's still just a fucking video game and the last of us part two did so much Literary leg work here that disbelief should be more than fully suspendable unless you're actually we all know it's not You're the arbiter of when this yeah when this really is expendable I'm not even the arbiter of my own suspension of disbelief. It's very subjective When we do research when we do research on the suspension of disbelief We ask the participant was your belief suspended Like did you feel as if you were you were transported called narrative transportation? Did you feel as if you were transported into another world? We don't just assume we asked the participant in the in the post-hoc test That's how this research is conducted. Don't fuck. Sorry I don't want to draw attention to historians avatar there It's a it's a scary side. It's it's the vagina from teeth Some of these suspensions of disbelief as a necessity though, it's not it feels like in this game It's just being put in arbitrarily. I agree with the vagina with these guys Well, I'm stuck all the way back as someone says yeah, I I was pulled out of it. The gym goes. No, you were Sorry my bad I'm sorry. You're you're right. Like Absolutely people get the belief their belief is suspended all the time. That's an inherent and natural part of media It's just because people's Suspension of disbelief wasn't activated in this particular media only means that this media was a failure. That's all it means Yeah He seems so convinced that people wouldn't criticize a male character that suddenly got buffered out any explanation It's like no, of course we would because that would be unrealistic as well And in this case we're like point to him point to him in the last of us two find that person a job like uh Okay, fine abby is the most buff human in the world of the last of us two that is a bit strange Fine like yes jim did it he did it though. You would never say that so I'm really trying to be upset which let's be honest is what the people still performing their crusade for realism are I mean, how else do you explain this almost deliciously audacious stretch where one highly educated doctor found abby's in-game Workout schedule and used it as proof that abby shouldn't exist the schedule by the way is not a major plot point Did you just use this as proof? He brought it up. Oh my god. This is what I mean. I'm really confused. What's happening? So you have him bringing up this information to defend his points and then someone defies them with like facts and logic And he's like wow look at you sad Yeah, he's literally said the only reason that you would go to such lengths is to be angry What no i'm explaining to you why He asks like all of these things are just stuff that we can control first off Like I can just control my own suspension of disbelief Like it's a switch that I could just flick on and off and now I believe things Which by the way, you literally can't it is a Paracognitive it was a paracognitive function. You cannot control it I will say you can influence it by how much you know the more I learned about safe physics and history and stuff My suspension of disbelief is far more fragile whenever I see something inaccurate But it goes into again Narrative transportation, which is this this idea that you are transported into the world of a narrative And we we found that like really high IQ people and people who are very well educated can be transported Into a completely fictional and crazy world that that defies all the laws of of logic and physics because it has a logically consistent world and and That's completely possible, but you have to be logically consistent Internal consistency. What is this? A fantasy apparently Why is finding this schedule suddenly a bad thing? He did it I'm so confused Anything no, it is good and bad It's a background asset something cobbled together for the scenery like you brought it up as a defense Dude, I've never I don't even know that we've come across this before someone trots out a piece of information Says look at this it gets shat on they're like, why would you bring it up? But you brought it what? I don't know what to do It's just a bit of background asset. There's no important according to Jim We get so real. Why did he bring it up in the he brings it up? It's not the first time This is the third time he's brought it up. He he has brought up three times One time to support it essentially and then now to defend it essentially or or discount it I'm picturing like he is a stage. He trots it out that he runs into the audience and booze it Throw in tomatoes and it's like what the fuck If if a fitness so apparently like a fitness expert looked at this regime and said well You can't get that buff that but no discount that because this game's not about realism But it's totally not realism, but it's not about realism if it's totally about realism. What the hell Hmm are you Eden? Are you saying that Jim the sterling doesn't really have a point And to just read just to reiterate something that um Aiden brought up already is that that workout routine It seems like the guy that was querying it was basing it on a guy doing that level of workout Wouldn't have even achieved it and therefore a girl doing that level of workout would have taken even longer And it would have been even more difficult to put on that level of muscle mass She would have needed to rest four days not three They replace all the rest days with arm days. I wonder if it would have worked I think she just destroys herself Oh, no, Abby will win because she's Abby Oh, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this one to to Jim. It's like This No, because because like the there's a workout regime, right? Um, and it shows that Abby works out regularly So she's got a big body and you know, there's people criticizing her For having a big body And and saying that their workouts unrealistic, but that doesn't matter He's got it I'm convinced I just like we're gonna get to 10 2 plus 2 4 plus 4 8 plus 4 10 Plus 2 equals 5 now. Wow You guys are just obsessing about math. I can't believe it. It's what I'd like to see though Here's something I really want to see Somebody go take the abbey workout and do it for like I don't know do it for a year and see the kind of results you get and see if you start getting jacked like that I would be suss It's not just about the physical. It's about the spiritual as well. We have to have the motivation of the big father We have to work out your will to work. Oh, yeah, the revenge fuels her power Oh, no, Abby gave into the dark come right I see I see It makes sense now. Yes And it was by no means intended to be paid attention to but wankers wanted stuff you paid attention This video is not real. Did he insult us by calling us wankless? That is transphobic. Wow. Wow I'm extremely offended. Oh my god. As someone who does have a wank I I I So we're literal. We're literal wankers, but we're also the wankless wonders. I I'm so confused Person of That's what you're supposed to say. That's the person of wank Thank you. Jesus He's wonky wacky literal wanker wankless Wonkers Whoa Willy Wonker and the Factory, I don't know The wanking factory. Oh no the wonklet factory I don't think that the wonking factory is is safe for children That wasn't chocolate in that river. Hey the fucking the children went safe in the regular factory. They get drowned and shit For the scenery like background assets are and it was by no means intended to be paid attention to But wankless wonders start for anything You know when video games put things into the game that you're not supposed to pay attention to I love that Yeah, it's a it's a weird choice like the guy who made it and popped it in there. He was like hope nobody sees this I hope no one notices all these models and all these textures and these animated characters that we put in in this area Hundreds of thousands of hours that underpaid employees put in to make all this crap now. Don't pay any attention to that Oh, we should have just made this a wall, but I don't know what I was thinking making it like an entire It's like and the rope that schedule as well. You notice it was like handwriting in all those little boxes Ignore that detail man. Just it's just background Usually this kind of thing gets praised sure and hear it's not working because you know, it's not enough but like usually Even if you even if you don't know it's not enough say like People don't really praise this sort of thing like a nice little detail that justifies something in the in the thing No, I'm supposed to ignore these I brought it up to make fun of us for noticing who brought it up It's particularly because it's Jim Sterling right who who has continually fought for the rights and for the respect of people who work on video games and when he comes in here goes like Whatever about all this stuff It completely delegitimizes all the work that went into it, right? I think you you would expect someone like Jim Sterling to have certain opinions and positions About games based on the fact that he has been talking about games and is interested in the industry for as long as he's been But you actually listen to him talk about this stuff And you just be lost Like do you do you know do you know anything about games or don't you I don't under Hey, he's been playing them professionally for like 15 years. So fuck you you wankless wonder Oh Being vaguely resembling a bullet for their logic gun people who must have been scouring the game for weeks trying to find any What are you talking about? It's halfway through a sentence. It's not a lot a lot of logic bullets So what he's doing now is the thing he used to defend his argument. He's using it now To strengthen his argument by dismissing it because it's because it's logical What the fuck the meme format we can go with is the one where it's like this is mine now So it's like look what I made and then the guy So like Jim's like look what I found and the guy picks it off him and goes I found this And then Jim's like wow you fucking nerd look at you If I did that I don't understand what's happening in this meme. It's so confusing A thing to back up their laughable anger have lept on this throw away meaningless asset as if it's pure argumentative You're using it for your argument. What do you mean? No, and the funny thing is this is right It actually does go against abby's Fasik in the game and he's just dismissing it. It would be so a gun fires You know fucking 20 bullets and then rags like wait Does the model and make allow it to fire 20 and we get the records and it says 21 I go ha ha it can fire 20 and then rags like no, that's the wrong making model This one is the one and it's 16. I go wow you fucking nerd like what Why do you care so much you fucking weirdo? What it's only fair when it benefits you it's like okay No, that is the sound of someone who has lost the argument and just like oh you're an idiot I can't believe in the same video that he was using it to benefit him and as soon as it's like proven wrong He's like no, fuck it's like this this video was made in real time because he was like it's working It's working. It's not working. Well, fuck this argument Well, I get that kind of vibe from a lot of gyms videos that they're made very much in real time without a lot of like You know Yeah, and he just kind of Excuse not an excuse, but it does explain some of the weirdness of it In a might the image shows she does not work on her arms to the cup. What is wrong with this statement? What is wrong with the statement? No, he's just dismissing it because that would destroy his argument Angry game a whiny way then the argument crumbles Yeah, exactly saying something in a silly way means it must be dumb Therefore I win. Yeah Especially if you're dressed like a french aristocrat anything you say must be absolutely ridiculous I think a lot of this does come down to I don't mean to be mean again But I think a lot of this does really boil down to the fact that jim has probably never worked out in his life and I don't mean to be mean But I think there's some physical evidence to suggest that that might be realistic Well, I'll have you know he considers The vr system as a whole to be privileged goggles because people who are very fat can't use them very efficiently What really what you guys need to watch it at 50, okay? He goes everyone's gonna watch if at 50. This this like his best video ever He's like it's unfair that you have to move around He says that What There are many themes about privilege goggles Wait, his physical inability to to do the thing that the thing was made to do makes the thing bad We went through all this all of sports have to be privilege sports, I guess Because anyone without legs might have trouble doing certain sports So basketball is bad because the the ring is too high. So I can't Privilege ball privilege ball Let me tell you Some real research. This is some real shit. Jim Sterling Data have evidenced Thoroughly that people who are burn victims and suffer from constant pain as a result of their burns when they are Injected into a vr environment and put into an environment that looks cold and cool actually experience less pain. So get fucked Well, we had um when we were covering that only if at 50 someone sent in that they like Lost I believe it's um Mark the cyborg. I think is his name It can help with all kinds of recovery therapy. It's an incredible tool He's he lost he's lost a leg and he loves vr. It's just like jim stop This reminds me of the I'm aware of some data Huh It's never got nor how's I was talking said I remember some data That seems to show that whenever I'm injected into an environment full of Jim Sterling videos My pain actually increased We need to get this noted down For science check the numbers Pasity and average woman would need to Thursdays four times every two months Is he like really annoyed because they're talking about fitness schedules like Actual ones. Is he just like that? I cannot do you guys remember that video of the woman who beats a weighing scale to death with a hammer Yes, and she was like this isn't true. Well, she's vividly having difficulty hammering Heavily intensifying Yeah I just think it's really worth it was beautiful and brave Yeah, it's worth mentioning that In all the cut all the videos that we've covered on efab Never have I seen someone More out of their element than Jim Sterling talking about workout schedules Yeah, and I think it's an efab first for someone to trot out evidence in their favor Recognize it doesn't work for them and then disparage the information being used. I've never seen that before Wait, this is wait. Does it Jim Sterling have a wrestling thing? Yeah, yeah It's shtick though is that he's a big fat buck. That's his wrestling Oh, good job. So he doesn't really work out then Because he doesn't compete in actual wrestling. Yeah, it's not like UFC or anything. Oh, could you imagine? Go wrestling he they punch him and he's stuck inside of his Never mind Stuck inside of his never mind Go ahead Aiden what you're gonna say I just called it a gun. That's all That's so weird The English language is beautiful It's not a rude word, okay Nationally food is rationed Uh, huh, that's where we are with this shit Some boys out there are so eager so frothingly gleefully eager to invalidate the existence of even a fictional woman What do you what how do we invalidate the existence of a fictional woman jim? I don't know how to do that No, no, no He reads the ontological argument and he's like that's where we are guys. That's where we are. It's like logical arguments So, okay, let's appreciate let's appreciate what jim sterling did. Okay guys what he said was There was a doctor or a fitness expert that went oh her workout doesn't make sense for her to be that fit And then jim goes. Oh, you don't like this woman in the video game. That's why he did What is it? I'm still stuck at What does he mean invalidate her existence? She's not real. That doesn't even Wow, that's very sensitive for you to invalidate her fictional existence. Um, oh my god, how dare you You guys are just acting like Harry Potter. Is it real or something? I'm definitely lost on this one Real? Oh my god That is so offensive to the existence impaired when you say that Harry Potter isn't real Daniel Radcliffe suffers. He's like Every time you say that Harry Potter isn't real Daniel Radcliffe appears in another horse fucking film Well, Daniel Radcliffe can swith army his ass over here and tell me about it if he needs to all right I've I know that movie No Sing down background images and zooming in and enhancing them like they're in a tom clancy fucking like a workout routine on a wall Like the workout routine that you yourself used earlier in the video We're getting to parody because he's like they did csi shit. It's like they took a screenshot Okay That's in the game Like, yeah, I'm going to literally It's like she had the point of though. You're doing the stupid thing now. Is like If if that's where your argument has come to where you're just gonna belittle the Other side and say look how stupid you are for god all this effort If the schedule benefited him this wouldn't be in his video. He'd just be talking about how they don't understand reality If you don't look at the video game too closely, it hurts my feelings Everyone wants me to gadel bit. Are you asking me to gadel the the whole when you What's the most absurd character that I could say you're invalidating their existence? Absurd character to invalidate the existence of like bowser Would be like it would be like a fictional character in a fictional game It would be like Kevin spacey in that one call of duty game I don't know Star ocean three everyone in star ocean three is a fictional character in the star ocean game. Oh my god Spoilers. Oh my god. That's spoilers chat. Eden just spoiled the plot of star ocean three I was really shocked like oh shit, that's the plot point of the game I Fuck in book and all because despite their sudden and convenient interest in realism a group of gamers Don't find this girl as attractive as other fictional girls. Oh, we're back to them. Okay Sudden inconvenient interested realism screw that And I don't think the people's problem at abbey is her being attractive. It's her being a complete con I agree. I can't be evil Yeah, the main problem. Yeah Naughty dog spent untold amounts of manpower Dollars in time in order to make an extremely shockingly realistic depiction of this world and we're getting we're getting insulted for trying to treat it like a realistic world I really that that alone takes me of sudden interest in realism My second last video was exploring the realism of the magic and avatar the last airbender for crying out bloody layout What do you mean sudden interest in realism? Wasn't the whole point of like them using calling out the names of the other people like oh So that it feels like realistic and you feel an impact when you kill You know these npcs that don't feel so nameless and the reason that they had all this like weird whistling and shit It was like this whole other language with specific commands and stuff that They weren't just like at random, but it was to create a sort of sense of realism and immersiveness in the world and then No, smash that away Like the game's trying really hard to be realistic, but you cannot criticize it for not being realistic Yeah, it's just he's arguing against a straw man the whole time just It's like who are these people that hate abbey only because of muscles? Point them out like If you even search through the depths of the nightmare that is twitter I think he would be hard to find people who just say they hate abbey because of her muscles I don't think you could find a person they hate certainly a character. Yeah, it's certainly been a point of criticism But it would not be the only one the main reason why most people hate abbey. It's because she killed joe She's a terrible person Yeah, I like I would honestly argue to him be like oh people hate her because she's like pure evil and he's like what they're like Oh, sorry, I guess I should justify that. Uh, she looks sadistically murdered a person Um, it was kind of fucked up She took pleasure in his pain. So yeah, she's The main character which Which is Presumably, I mean, I don't know how long the average person is the last of us, but I would assume it's maybe an 80 60 hour game something like that. Is it I don't know if it's a long it's been a loss as I've played it, but um Let's say it's a it's a 40 to 60 hour game If you spent that much time getting involved in a character Then that's a lot of emotional investment And then to have the character that you have spent 40 to 60 hours becoming invested in just get completely obliterated That's going to have an emotional effect the fact that nauti hog doesn't understand that a game company that that has a long history of understanding The impact of having a character in in the form of Nathan drake, right? Understanding like how important it is to have a character that that plays a role in people's emotional Um interaction with the game is just incomprehensible Yeah, well, I don't think it's just emotion It's it's like the the narrative structure as well. It's it's things not having a payoff It's like when someone starts a sentence and then they don't finish it or it's like, um Yeah You know what I mean, it's really unsatisfying you If you if you if you spend 20 hours though investing yourself in the story and then at the end it doesn't really Come round to a proper conclusion at the end you go. Well, what was the 20 hours for? Yeah, I mean like spend spend all of your time to this one goal and then don't get it You're like, uh, that's about it. We got your money. Ha Well That was that was what they thought they were doing though, right? They were like, let's challenge the players to gain empathy for this person that they will perceive to be a sadistic horrible person And then you're like, it's not just perceiving really is it? No, that's another problem with the game Are we going to talk about can can I talk about the ending for a bit because go for it because because the dumbest thing about the ending is that The player sees the other side, but the in-game characters do not So it doesn't make sense for ellie to make that decision at the end of the game Yeah, it's weird Yeah, it's dumb in fairness. Joel was playing the guitar Oh, oh, yeah, so that was that work. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my bad Yes. Yes. Aiden Good point is that the the if you're looking at just the perspective of the characters They don't have this this omniscient perspective that that is come. Yeah, that's a really good point, man One of the issues I always have the game is abby and ellie never talk to each other about anything Yeah, and when and when you fight abby, she's not sorry that she killed Joel She's just telling ellie. Don't kill me. That's the fight. Don't stop. I don't want to but it's not stop I'm sorry. Please forgive me. So I don't really see why ellie forgave her It's such a dumb ending Agreed. Yeah, yeah, I feel like you don't get much pushback here though. You just didn't get it Yeah Didn't understand it. This is last of us two had a very high IQ ending that you just you just Yeah Some have suggested that these particular gamer boy types get violently distressed if they encounter someone they don't want to masturbate to and that indeed No, that's just a bonus It's whatever whatever works for your video jim just No, why is he focused on he's totally ignoring the narrative problems as to why people have an issue with abby like So dismissive of real issues And it's that is really insulting I I generally don't find many things insulting But that's actually really insulting of people's individual agency to say the other reason why you don't like this Who says you can't back to it? Are you freaking kidding me? No That's that's a tough one rags. Good luck with that Maybe I can go full circle and it's it's it's sheer unsexiness Maybe I'll just think of something else, but then Yeah, I don't want it. I don't want you wankless. What the I'm gonna say that I could but I don't want to His prophecy is for the wankler And I'm not saying that's definitely what's coming on but anyway, here's a couple points about On the last of us is writing that all over both of his hands He's gonna like rub his hands together like you're trying to start a fire with a stick Oh, yeah, no rags. No rags. It's that big. That's why he has two hands That's the only reason I'm a boy types get violently distressed if they encounter someone they don't want to masturbate to and that indeed Pumping out a fat load Is what this was all about and I'm not saying that's definitely what's coming on He really does think that this is that we can't masturbate to abbey. Well, that's the Hand out an olive branch. He was just saying I'm not gonna. I'm not saying something but then so maybe but Oh, you say this is not not Guaranteed that that's the problem, which is the benefit of the doubt. He's not gonna say it Within five seconds, he said all of you are only mad because you can't masturbate to abbey But i'm not saying you're mad because you can't masturbate to abbey. Of course That is a really scummy thing to say like Wow, well, look at all the evidence he's been through. What are the conclusions there? I yeah, because I masturbated to playing fetch with the dog Oh, hell, yeah They had nothing to do with abbey. They had some kind of Sexy-ish scenes in there. Didn't they like they've got a lesbian in between dina and um Ellie Yeah, so it's not like the game was totally bereft of that stuff No, the funny thing is the the lesbian scene is more tasteful than the scene with abbey. Yeah, yeah, maybe a jerk Yeah, I don't so I don't really know why they put the abbey sex scene there Unless it's just really for titillation because you could really just cut it when they kissed, right? Yep So I don't I I really think it's the director's fetish. That's what I think Because in Uncharted 4 there's also a muscle lady there guys and I really think he's just building on that foundation As evan just said they objectified abbey in the game. Yep. Yeah, yeah, they did terrible They could they could have just cut it I Yeah, I was like, maybe I maybe I want to see that pregnant shit. Just get fucking railed. Maybe that's my thing Maybe that maybe that's what I like to see I mean, well as it's an historian's problem. It's like there's no way anyone was whacking to this And that's what made them upset. It's like it was a lesbian scene, but okay But they didn't show True, but maybe it was enough for some players, you know, it seems like according to jim the all of them were desperate So they'll take anything sort of thing People were trying to come play back arrow. Come on There's Plenty of people's thing would have been the fact you're not just saying But anyway, here's a couple quotes about abbey. We found with minimal effort on the last of us is subreddit If there's no rule 34 of abbey, does that mean she doesn't give you the benefit of the doubt? No Well, yeah, oh so so much for that No Guys, I'm not saying that people don't want the fact abbey. That's why they're mad So I'm just gonna show some quotes that imply it. Very good jim No one will make ludes of her. There is r34 of her in the fucking game itself Let's not talk about that scene. You know, that's a fair comment The other one was a If a rule 34 of her doesn't exist that would go back a tiny bit bulls I can I can explain. So yeah The joke is that there's a rule 34 for everything. So if there isn't for abbey, then does abbey exist? Then she doesn't exist Yeah, yeah, it's it's just a joke. It's not even saying not really saying anything But in fairness he can interpret it as being it's denying her existence as a facial character, which is fucked up I would say that's more of an indictment against abbey than anything if there is rule 34 for some like not nothing Character that's a side thing in some 90s cartoon. I I know be specific that new female that new female People who have like some there are people who have crazy obsessions with some Side character from a 90s cartoon and have made just pages and pages of pornography related to this thing But if abbey doesn't have anything What does that actually say about abbey? I think it does make a bit of a point, right? You know that new um that new female lombax character from the ratchet and clank thing 742 entries for that character on e6 to 1 What I don't I just don't so she doesn't even have a name yet I don't like I do not get the argument Because she doesn't have a bunch of deviant artists making stuff about her that makes her not sexy I I mean, I guess I would say yes, but I I don't it is so contradictory because he's saying she's a strong woman who doesn't need to be sexy And she doesn't need to be attractive But she doesn't need to be all this stuff to be a good character But it's really unfair that there aren't a bunch of you freaks on deviant art making porn about her. What dude I mean, he's just throwing the quote there. I think to support that people are obsessed with whether or not she's been like sexualized It's contradictory if again, if he thinks that she stands as a good character on her own Outside of being sexualized then why is he mad that she isn't being sexualized? Yeah, I guess you mean Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah If I was drunk enough, I'd not do it. I'm sure people with muscle fetishes would be very happy Hey, that's what's wrong with that comment? There you go. That's funny. Hey, the boy the voice makes it funny She didn't have to make the same argument about the first game because you play as Joel the whole time Yeah, Joe. I mean, it's I don't know what come on, Jim Like he makes sex jokes all the time and apparently like no, this is too far. You fucked it up It's rule 34 will do with abby. I have my eye bleach ready. This is no cornhub. We don't post sex I don't even know what that is supposed to be censoring probably a training Oh, I was well, whatever it was. It's a word that isn't allowed. So like it wouldn't be swear word like your standards where we would have to be My last video got demonetized for saying the word palestine. So you're really Especially in relation to rule 34 demonetized now Oh, sorry moller. It's okay. I forgive you You're in the watch list now moller. Oh no, Jim He's unironically trying to use obscure minority joke You know trolling posts to try and prove that all the people that didn't like abby's because they couldn't jerk off to her Yeah, yes Wow And his proof is he got a bunch of comments from people saying ew. She's not attractive to me Nailed it Jim that that's objective, you know research there to Figure out what the consensus is from a large demographic appeal on their reasons for liking a character I mean, I feel like she's all of a sudden she's super hot to me I can't I I can't explain why but he must have key convinced me that abby is super hot and that means now I like her Of course, there's transphobic slur tossed in there because abby has muscles Oh, and no muscle girl be allowed to know Oh, yeah, you found someone who thought that she's trans I why first off I have no idea why anyone would think that Um, I can't even blame the guy that even thought she was the trans one first because When you see the sex scene on the internet leak, she doesn't look like she has boobs. She it looks like it looks like a chest I thought it was really Yeah Words of, you know kajima farewell sausage Oh Feel big grown-up man the very fact abby isn't skinny and or curvy automatically made her a man in some people's heads And while I don't like to chelishly throw around people's dating success or lack thereof I genuinely wonder what some of these people think actual women look like You've been doing that a bunch already in this video. I don't know man Why does everybody want to call out no one goes outside? Everyone wants to do it. They're all like you don't go outside No, you don't go it's like look Yes We all Maybe jim is protecting Maybe he doesn't go outside Just saying this is what I mean. It's the only thing we have in response. It's like maybe You don't know what women look like. Oh Oh, he thinks that she's like not at all an unusual Looking woman and that makes me go. I don't this many people Reacting in this way and he's like you all must be doing that because none of you have seen a woman before Yes, I've never seen a woman before Fact check No, I am the I am the gayest that has ever gayed. I have not even seen a woman How can I even know that if I'm attracted to them if I have never even seen them? checkmate Because some people do look like the people they find attractive but That's only a percentage of the makeup of the human range of body types I mean look at the extreme example I said but um Wait, so you said you said it's surprising people find it weird because they must not have seen women and then you go on to say There there are all types look at the extreme that I said So is it extreme or is it normal? That's that's the point right there is that there are body types that are far more representative and common and far Ones that are far more uncommon and then in the setting of this game specifically The uncommon type becomes even far more unlikely because of the situations that need to exist for it to actually be possible But is it going I go back again to the fact that I think this wouldn't be an issue at all if the game was stylized And was was not so hyper realistic I don't think any of us would have a problem with a hyper buff lady in like a 2d side scroller or something like that Zarya Yep Some gamers out there seem to believe that women can only look and let's be honest behave one way It's normal. Hey I expect a woman to not go around killing people with golf clubs I mean mea culpa. You're a weird person. What what? Yeah, I do yes. I do expect women to behave a certain way I expect people to behave a certain way like non psychopaths Like non violent lunatics The whole point of the story is that ellie behaves the same way as abby, but then no one's criticizing ellie Wait, is that a point for jim or is that a point for look What I don't look i'm confused about the behavior one like like as if my issue with her behaviors that a woman Wouldn't act that way rather than a person like I just be like what why why are we separating it like that? That's weird. Um, I don't it's not I don't believe a person can be a psychopath and you know sadistically Enjoy torturing. It's that I condemn her for you know enjoying it. I'm like, oh, you're a bad person That's that's my input and he's like wow you can't handle that some women exist that don't do what you want Wow, what I did was kind of fucked up. Yeah He's just throwing out there that most game is a sexist like just not In all the criticisms I've heard of ellie like ellie. I've never heard one saying You know, she shouldn't have killed joll because women don't do that. I've never heard that argument Not once women don't kill jolls Yeah, yep. Yeah Abbies kill jolls. Shut up. You're all sexist I mean you see i'm clutching pearls over tifa's breast size being altered in final fantasy 7 remake There was furious vengeance because a drawing of the girl's they should have been willed by riot His arm is visible on american game packaging as it is in japan. It's difficult not to ask you anything I don't trust jim when he talks about this sort of thing. I don't know. He's referencing and I cannot trust him I think I know the lore behind it like I think there was a guy on fortune That used screenshots to calculate whether or not tifa's breasts in the remake Were smaller than the original and he proved that it was smaller, which is a crazy thing to use, right? That's already crazy but use that That's I think Oh, sorry to interrupt There's like one cutscene that's like ridiculous from final fantasy 7 though where like Tifa is just like bouncing around and it's the it's so silly Like even way back then with these pixels it looks so dumb And I think people just wanted to see that particular scene in the new game I mean, I can't blame them That's the problem. I don't I don't understand the fucking issue. I really don't get it What's the there are women with tick old bitties. Why are you mad? Just wishes he could have tick old bitties. Yeah, doesn't he though? Jesus Poor miscreants must be so utterly crushingly desperate for an actual range of human interaction Dude, you get you get and you're off the Like yeah, this is crazy. Like you're just calling everyone a bunch of sex starved lunatics losers Wow the cloud anyone Yeah, he's he's just off the reservation as they say he's just he's just ran away and you're like, wait Jim the point It's over here and he's like No, you guys never have sex is like, oh, so I can't so is that something we could shame people for by their rules. I I can't decide. I don't know what are I Because I because I've seen the whole all It is if someone's like a virgin or they never have sex or anything like that You you can't make fun of them because that's shaming them in some way It's not very nice of you rags. Yeah, what to what? Yeah, to what? To be a rude I don't even how is I being rude there? Uh, wait, what I actually don't know by being a wankless wonder Oh, well That's what I identify as so you can't make fun of me. I'm actually gonna put that in like a delinus I want to call someone a wankless wonder Wankless wonder go ahead. Just do it Wankless wonder coming up or at least in need of something different to jerk off to you're really pushing out Say it man What is he some What the hell he reminds me of the for no reason dude with the constant references to the gate No Yeah, I don't often think people are projecting but this seems like a very very Classable case of protection Like it's so weird It's just good man. Very well So his argument is people don't like abby because she's not conventionally hot Therefore video gamers cannot jack off to abby. Am I correct? Is that this whole thing? Well, that's the truth, isn't it? That's tied in with her being they can't yeah That's tied in with her being unconventionally attractive though. When you say that. Oh, yeah, she's unconventionally attractive It's sort of implied that I can't jerk off to her Because she's ugly It's just so weird that he wants to avoid the the enormous many elephants in the room as to why people hate her He's just like no Crowding around and he's just ignoring them. They're not there ignore all of the narrative reasons to hate this character It's just because she's a whammy. Am I right? An unconventionally attractive whammy. That's how it's described an ugly quammy Not necessarily better stuff. Just more varied stuff more than just rule 34 There's so much more stuff to look at when you're pounding it Like Okay Guys can we just move the frame to the next one because yeah, but people can't just not be straight anymore It's like Why does he think that every time something this happens, I'll increase the size of people on screen This is kind of if if we had said something like this, this would be straight phobia Yeah Because it's implying that we can just change our sexualities all those straight guys they could just pound it to Dudes now they could just like that's just something they could do Well, how is that any different from us saying well, maybe a gay person person should just fuck women Maybe they should just get off to chicks. Well, that's really really really really By phobic of you Oh my god Oh god It's gonna sound really bad, but I want him to finish already Okay, I can't fool you for that one Just where where were all these people when gizmo right here right here I remember playing gears of war and I was like wow, this is silly I don't even play these games like cackle at them. Yeah, no, he's he's going back to gears of war. He already used this argument But but now he's saying nobody was around saying this would use what it's like. Yes, they were I was super into gears of war one two and three all of my friends were Was such a hyper-masculinized hyper Must super meat stud beef beef They were hilarious chunk man little tanks on on feet That was the whole and people made fun of this back in 2008 like where are you? Yeah Like this is what people me and my friends are like, oh, yeah, this is like weird. They're just meat sticks But it's far more believable in the gears of war setting than it is for last of us Well, because everybody's like that the gears of war setting except for like all the wind I guess Like It's an autistic touch. Yeah, it's gonna more like an autistic touch, but I think they would chomp goes okay Well, I like I like the aesthetic in gears of war I like the armor and the weapons and I I really do like it. I think it's very pleasing to look at Um in that sense, but if we're gonna make the argument that abby is the only one who's been artistically touched Shall we say? Yeah Davis men who were 90 pure gray day beef fortress after a 14 year long and I will also say this Gears of war far more narratively satisfying than the last of his two. Oh, yes We must kill the evil people from the under people. Oh, we did that was fun But again, what's the issue with gears gears, you know the whole if everybody in is in It is a giant beef cake. That's fine. And no one had an issue with that game including the woman in gears too, right? No one had an issue with that But all of a sudden it's an issue now Uh only in terms of that abby doesn't make any sense in a game that is realistically based and driven Versus gears where everyone is a space marine. There is a mile of difference between those two settings Oh, yeah, just in case anyone didn't know gears was not trying to be realistic. Let's just put it out Oh, no Um, oh, yeah, of course isn't What isn't Never mind But uh, the uh, even the enemies in gears of war have the same physique. They're super beefy and meaty Yeah And all the guns are beefy me. It's all just it's all just so almost like they're trying to be internally consistent Oh, how dare they it's a game where it was like To the helicopter shop and stretched horizontally Yeah, a little shorter On wall, they did the planet's resources and decimated the population No, the fuck were they it's not post apocalyptic stop gears of war isn't post apocalyptic They have like whole cities in a funded military In things like that It's dark and brown. So it's post apocalyptic Duh Come on, bro. Like I just want to expect jim to have actually played this video game given his job as a video game reviewer Have you seen that like just the trucks and gears of war even they get overfed on gasoline? At and it's like It's like a really dark version of lilo and stitch All right, well carry on. Yeah, you've lost me on that one mate. Yeah I will explain it. I will explain So lilo and it's the air tile and lilo and stitch things were very bubbly Round you know, think about the spaceship designs and the guns and the way people were drawn Think about, you know, lilo. Think about oh, what was her sister? Nani, right? Yeah, I actually know what you're talking about. Yeah, bubbles and all the aliens very almost swollen Not grotesque and it was just big and bubbly and kind of puffy looking and gears of war is like the really dark militaristic version of that Yeah, yeah, just to confirm your point rags up for some reason I've watched some of the features of lilo and yeah I've watched some of the special features of lilo and stitch and they actually talked about the art style And they had two cameras side by side one with straight edges and one with slightly curved edges Showing that that was the aesthetic that they were going with with all of lilo and stitch Making everything not have straight lines. It's slightly curved and just like was like was a slightly inflated blue Yeah, I'm trying to remember the name of the artist. He hey and let's be fair The artist who uh did the the character designs for lilo and stitch is a porn artist. Uh, that's deep true. Oh, no Really well He is a porn artist though. Hey, he does a lot of Why lilo's sister is hot Yeah, sure does doesn't it Yeah, but it makes sense now Cobra bubbles is a stage name Fortress after a 14 year long war that devastated the planet's resources and decimated the population Where the fuck were they during the release of borderlands? We borderlands 2 and borderlands the pre-sequel It's just borderlands It's the point of being shocking That's the problem here. He he's ignoring the the strengths of last of us two and comparing Okay, in so many quotes strengths of last of us two like the realism of it And he's comparing it to these very stylized games It's it's it's like he's ignoring the differences to make his point. Just that's just my observation Yeah, he is he's taken it's like if I was going to compare um The genre of trying to think if I was going to compare Like some some really silly like world of warcraft, right? Where it's just fucking magic and dragons and everything's just silly and crazy and he's like I don't know what the fuck's going on and you compare that to something much more grounded like lord of the rings You know and saying oh, they're both the same Same unfair comparison. Well uncharted versus mario. You'd be like, I don't know why you're comparing them And it's like, yeah, but they both jump Yeah, yeah, you can jump therefore. It's the same game. Wow bigot Got him And double jumping and chopping other people complaining about it at mario Yeah, everyone was like, oh mario's moustache is too plentiful. It's like no one was saying that everyone was okay with it We're all the starved inhabitants of a dead desert world make dwayne the rock johnson look like this Yes, borderlands is shockingly silly Well, but hang on. Hang on borderlands is also Borderlands is heavily heavily stylized. Yeah, so i'm okay with it Like it is it's absurdity is it's selling point at no point does ever even attempt to be something approaching realistic Prick hell where were all these people telling lord humongous that he was just too fucking rip. I don't know Yeah, if anything that just looks like he has a bunch of calories Regardless of the kind of them It's not ripped. He's just big His name is lord humongous by your thing As well Yeah, he's a very also none of this matters though None of this even matters Yeah, yeah, no, what about is it? No, it doesn't this is his beat any of the logical arguments This is like his conclusion part of the episode right like he's playing the bombastic music You say that we have six that guys. Oh my god, you're Exactly. Yeah, you better feel the same because he's made his point, right? Yeah, this is it feels like that point in the argument or in there in in the video where you go Take that bigots. Look at these people and things that you really can't compare Got you He's he's thrown so many arguments. He doesn't realize that he's arguing against his own arguments at some point As opposed to contradicts his argument, but okay You're making my brain trying to think of the last time anyone had an issue with muscles being in a video game and Because it didn't happen you fat He's boiled it down to muscles being in a game now Yeah, even if that was gonna be the standard even if this was just about muscles in a game You'd still be wrong because people will say yeah, that's like with Gears of War people say That's really silly and dumb and then they play the dumb video game and they have a good time And they move on with their lives because it's not trying to portray itself as realistic in the way that lasts us to it But but also how bizarre for us to be talking about Gears of War a game that is 10 years old, right? Like why do you have to go back to such an old standard? I just find that bizarre Can we Can we maybe drop the facade just a little bit about so why do you reckon they made Abby so ridiculous So that they I think that it was just a very a poorly explained lazy attempt to explain how it could even be plausible She is able to do the things that she does. Yeah, like she Her gameplay is very much built around Hulk smashing. She has an ability you can unlock Which uh, if she ever kills somebody with Hulk smashing she gets like a bonus insta kill Hulk smash after it Right. Yeah, it's built into the gameplay, which is fine. I mean there's characters like, um, Chris from Resident Evil 5 You know when he was all built Yeah, no, I mean, that's fine that we've done stuff like this before where people haven't had an issue with it It's only when it is so egregious and in your face and mean towards the player that people start to have an issue I think So the reason they did it was an excuse for the gameplay you reckon I don't know. So I think they might have actually been trying to be purposely subversive to the trope of the leading female character That's just kind of a suspicion And then they ran with it, but it could be a bit of bait maybe like to see if people would go nuts over it And then what do you reckon and then what do you reckon Jim is actually defending it? Um Jedi it's one of those I think it's a piece of media that does No, I think it's virtue signaling. He's like you're all sexist Yeah, like why he's defending the game not why he made this video Yeah Video that shows his side that he's still one of the right ones Oh, don't say the word right rags. How daring you that's a bad naughty word. You better say the right He's one of the left ones. Come on now. Oh, yeah, the left of Karl Marx. You're to the right. Yes Many videos like that Yeah, pretty he makes fair. I mean, uh, I couldn't point to one not directly, but he constantly drops I guess comments, um about his political innings and he he loves he loves bat ragging on capitalism He does that regularly. Yes. He talks about how much he hates capitalism in almost every video He's made for the last year and a half maybe two years and and his His stricter handle also is citizens sterling right like his name there So that kind of hints probably is that like a is that like a left thing? probably right You just went from that's the thing right, is it is it a thing? That's it right bro. Oh, it's me citizens sterling one of you folk chop chop. Yeah I thought oh maybe this video is like a like a deliberate sort of contradicting of the the usual Argument like oh, he sees okay. Everybody's saying one thing. So I'm gonna take the opposite route And it's kind of like a fun thought exercise or some Thing but the more we get into this we're up to what two minutes Left it footage since the joint the call of it two hours ago. Yeah By the second I'm I'm starting to think that it's less and less about that because it's just calling everyone wankers all the time I agree with the statement earlier. He is a bit of a contrarian. So So he's what he's doing is he's going against the normal flow is that abby is a bad character Well, hang on. Hang on. It depends which normal flow There's a large kind of progressive Leaning group that he is all on board with in regards to this video No, like I mean Okay, the general point of view is that I think what the general point of view is that abby is not a well-liked character And what he does is to disengage the argument of the other people. He goes Oh, you just don't like her because you can't fap to her that you're you're a wanker Basically, that's his whole argument, right? Which is going against a huge part of Or I guess a substantial part of the audience that participated in the experience that is the last of us too. So Maybe he's baiting those people but The people he's baiting will call him out on his bullshit anyway So do you not think it's kind of interesting though that that he is doing this kind of fading? Well, we'll masturbate and you might call it but Well, well, I would say that he he's wanting to like draw people and Be his masturbating while also playing the victim sort of by saying like, you know, oh I'm so victimized or people are so victimized by this stuff It seems to be to me at least to be an intentional attempt to draw on as many viewers as possible and to get as many sympathy points as possible Rather than actually reviewing the game because we know that Jim Sterling can review games recently We've all seen it and we've all known over years that he can But it seems that sometimes when he just wants the virtue signal that becomes the more predominant or important point to him Also, yes, goodbye Theo rotated out the the the next guest shall be in the moment. They're able to access their invite Who knows when it'll be Oh, who could it be? I'll rotate out next up. Go ahead and get back to editing Oh, yeah, you said you got a new video coming out monday, right? Oh hell, yeah We're gonna learn more about history That's that's okay We went I just want to say before you go internet historian. I really love your videos Just How are you with love? Stop being so modest sir. You're a legend on youtuber. Yeah. Oh go on Wait, we wait, so you say you're gonna go in a bit not right now. Oh, yeah. No, not right now. I'll tell you I just Yeah, nice Oh But he's doing the thing again where he Is the genre that's really silly not realistic at all and super stylized and saying see people aren't treating this with the same standard As is very realistically portrayed Everyone likes that character with them. I don't know And now he's bringing Zarya up as a point for him because he's not smart but Once again, like I just can't get over the fact that he's just blissfully ignoring all of the narrative issues with abby So when he makes comparisons They're just never gonna work because he just hasn't acknowledged that portion of this whole debate Well, of course because that would uh diffuse his point of talking about how women are oppressed also Also, yes point in so many quotes Doesn't really have anything really he's got nothing He's just jealous for the Love note when he does that This is I feel really revealing to his character. He must have such a low opinion of the Majority of the gamer, you know, yeah, that's the That If everyone therefore everyone who's criticizing abby's muscles must only hate her because they can't jerk off That's and he honestly believes that this is a like from everything we've gone through This is a sincere belief that this is the only reason because he's ignored all the narrative reasons And his flip flop back and forth as to any what the logical justification As to why it doesn't make sense to try and justify it himself. And so he has a horrible opinion of most gamers Like that's most of his audience I have another person that I think he has a horrible opinion of winning I truly believe that I find that so many people who do this virtue signal stuff They have a really really horrible opinion towards women. You know, they think that we are a brainless Just Objects that go along with whatever they say and we're so fragile that we can be hurt by any kind of media representation That is such abject crap. And then I absolutely completely Disavowal Please stop jim. You don't know. I will keep it. You need him. You need him to defend I also have a question. Do you really think I think Aiden said this earlier. Jim is smart, right? Jim is intelligent. Um, is he Does he Does he just do this videos? But he he's doing it in bad faith, right? Like he knows he has nothing But he's still virtue signaling it could it I think he honestly believes what is saying that he honestly thinks most people we hate abby. Um I just hate it because I can't check off to it. Like that's his genuine belief I I think that's when he really believes I think that he believes that and that's why he makes videos like this in order to um To white knight for women who do not agree with him for the majority of women Do not think that what he's saying is correct But he thinks he's standing up for ladies and it's to be honest, jim You know no offense to you. I know you've got a large lady of your of your own But women don't like this Okay, women don't like it What the pink hat do you like that? No, not really No, I think jim's outfit looks good on some other guy Like does that make sense that whole aesthetic could be good on some other person but not jim sterling I mean, I like the eccentric look sometimes but uh, it does with jim. Just come across as desperate sometimes sometimes Yeah, i'm being generous Oh, yes shake shake your have you spotted a theme with his uh humor Oh, it's really long It's the thing as a dude I actually fell into this trap a little bit as a dude is pulled tassie in an article that gets to the meat of a matter Not like in an angry way But I did keep waiting for some sort of story explanation as to why abby had gotten so jacked But it was never directed. Oh, but that was a mistake online about how she had just lifted a certain weight for the first time Yeah, that's what I meant me wanting explanations for what I see in this realistic game. I fell into that trap Oh, my god, look at this. How they move on to say they never questioned this about a male character It's like well Yeah, men and women. I know I know that they hate the idea But men and women are biologically totally different from one another. You're gonna have to fucking get over it Like whether you like Because you know who you're dealing with They hate it. They hate it. They don't like it. You just gotta you gotta remind people like Sometimes it's just Why do they really don't like the fact that men and women are biologically different If we had a short snagger running around in the game, I'd still be raising issues with this It really this is fucking ridiculous. How's he maintaining this shit good idea? Yeah, good point. If you I mean, uh, look at Joel, right? Let's let's compare Joel to Abby or uh, right Joel I don't think it's as as ripped as abby. Is he I don't think do we ever see him like arms bae, I don't know Again, I said put the two models because I know people have access to this stuff So put the two models next to each other take off the clothes Which I think you can do probably with if you have access to the models Then try to take the clothes off and see who is more built. Is it abby or is it Joel? I bet it's abby Yeah, I'd say it's abby as well I would say on the note about having an Arnold Schwarzenegger in the video game I would still find that I would sorry I would have less questions as to how that would be possible Because there's a guy and guys can just build muscle easier. I'd still question it pretty hardcore I'd still have questions, but I would have less is what I'm saying then then with abby It would be more easily to it'd be more easy to believe Yeah, but still I mean almost my first point of call would just be like fucking hell. They let him eat that much. Wow Yeah, that that would be a similar thing about the rationing of food and the intake underneath to maintain it In the first one, they have all those ration cards and people are eating hung up barbecued rats Well, that's not the stadium the stadium. They have burritos every day Yeah I stopped and thought about it. I Realized when had I ever asked to that question about a male character or needed an explanation as to why they were I asked about you as well. I was like, how do these guys look this way? This is funny as hell But of course, I don't exist I'd like it would be funny if I just got because he's obviously grabbed this because it benefits his narrative If we just grabbed someone saying, you know I didn't use to question anything and then I someone brought up that it makes sense that she did it because of his work schedule And I just accepted it and then I actually looked into it and I was like, wow, they're just trying to sell me a bunch of bullshit And then and then Jim's like, no, shut up. No, we want to talk about the ones who are like they realize they're sexist They're the best the articles that Jim wants Unrealistically jacked way more unrealistically than abby usually never It's just assumed as video game default that men are jacked with huge muscles. And if women are muscular, they are Can we please just accept that there are biological realities that are different between men and women If you want to make an incredibly Out there fantasy or sci-fi game, then no one would care It's only because the last of us bases itself in reality that anyone finds this silly If if there were no biological differences whatsoever, this would still be a thing because you should be like, yeah Well, this is how all of the men and women of the world Categorize wise they just Women tend to be a hell of a lot less muscular. So it's weird to see it. That's all out of the unusual abnormal Exactly. I mean the fact that this, um, whoever is quoting is uh, was less, you know, prone to question The realism of guys being muscular is not a sexist thing It's reflecting reality where in reality guys are generally far more it's far more common for guys to be muscular than women And like I wonder if this person would also, you know, feel it's of the same scale of sexism to Wonder, you know, I've never questioned or wondered about the possibility of seeing a pregnant man versus a pregnant woman Because something is far more common in reality than when it's not and so It's just interesting that they're like if you just switch the parameters around It's just that this guy whoever is quoting is Noticing something that is less represented in reality. So Yeah Where is the representation of obese women in media? Because there's very little if we want to display all body types, right, then we're all the fat women it seems to me like I don't know. I'm just saying that I guess that It seems a little bit unfair, right? because that would Fat woman he would get mad about I would just guess I'm just guessing I'm not saying for sure But I'm guessing the gym will get mad about how it's making fun of obese people, right? I don't know how you could do it properly without making fun of someone, right? racist wankless wonder sorry And yet it's perfectly reasonable to think that a woman living in the post apocalypse on a mission of revenge Would indeed get super jacked to be able to take on zombie hordes and enemy soldiers a lot You don't need a lot of strength to take on zombie hordes knock knock a lie It seems like you don't just have him once in the neck and they go down You know the funny thing is there's another character in the game that does that without being jacked, you know Just just the thought also Yeah super like of course you're gonna get super jacks like if that's true then why isn't everyone super jacked Why is only one person super jacked like come on? You're not thinking very hard. It's not fair It's so obnoxious her her being so muscular is also obnoxious to me because it just makes her stand out even more in this Oh, also, yeah any any hope of uh Live action medieval zombie thing coming from you shad. I want to I want to see that okay We decided but like hell. Yeah, not like not like I've actually medieval zombie thing. Yeah starring who? You me Oh me I'll get on to that man. I got the swords I just I just like they needed last of us have a character like shad in there just like swords and he's like fuck this We're not using guns. You kidding. That's what I want. I want my I want sword enthusiast representation The people are best equipped to handle a zombie apocalypse And when someone says where's he getting these swords from you're like wow, you're denying his existence That is fucked up. Exactly. Look like also shad Do you think gauntlets would work very well against zombies? Like wouldn't it like against the the bites? Like any sort of armor and the armor would be phenomenal against zombies Like even just chain mail or not. I don't even just chain mail gambeson. All right. They're not gonna bite through that Just wearing When we're talking about shirts when we talk about carpet the other day, right? You could like one of the things that really bugs me about the last of us too is that they have people specifically Whose job is to go out and clear infect it from places and they put on no protective gear whatsoever T-shirts, bro I'm like, yeah, I would just like I would be wearing multiple shirts and I would just strap stuff to me It could be just paper See how hot they are. You can't see they're rippling muscles That's good time And in case anyone is asking yes, I do have a whole video talking about the best weapons to fight zombies in from a medieval settings perspective Is it the mace because that would be cool? Well, actually no, the answer was cast. That'd be a flail, right? Oh, no, okay Castles would wreck zombies just Is it a spy? No, I watch Game of Thrones. They lose it instantly Oh, you're getting started on that Oh, no, I'm all video on that Tremola. If you don't put your trebuchets first. That's your problem. Okay Yeah, true They are like a they're designed to like act as a shield. You must be stupid if you think otherwise Protect the wall As a hand to hand Flails are the best. Yes or no Flails are awful. I have a whole video on how why they're crap I really do you check it out. It's called overappreciated historical weapons the flail. There you go Okay, I will I will actually watch it after this go watch it. I lay it out for you real time I'm bad. Okay. I'm googling it now flails and bad Flails Any explanation past that needed once I saw a social media movement of other muscular women showing off their arms That looked close to identical to abbeys. I realized We're not in a post-apocalypse. You fuck. Oh, yeah, they're not in the post apocalyptic side Just the fact that we have to clarify that you like you kidded me I'm for even thinking about this as a story point that needed to be addressed No, I wasn't vocally mad about it online and yet my own bias has made me internally question whether abbeys appearance was right That was your bias. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa His internal misogyny kicked in Gamers I recognize my own internal misogyny I recognize my privilege And I stopped myself I Okay, this is uh, I don't even know where to start with this, but I'll try to explain This is very hurtful to me as a psychologist, right? Okay, you don't need to over analyze everything that you do every second to expect that stuff that you're doing is wrong In fact, that's probably very psychologically harmful And and disruptive the fact that people are doing this kind of stuff now I think is a large reason why people are so Sad and messed up is because they think that every second I have to think about what do my actions mean? What do my thoughts mean? Well, don't Because most of your thoughts are pericognitive most things that you're doing are pericognitive What sorry sometimes you just want to see a titty That was the translation No, that's correct Sometimes you just want to see a titty and overthinking things to this degree Not only has absolutely no benefit in terms of the psychological health of the population so far as the data that I've seen But it it has Real manifest harms upon people to think that they're evil and to think that they're bad all the time Just stop my dude Stop because you are only hurting yourself and you're not helping anyone Jim sterling does seem like the kind of person who would be horrified to learn that he isn't sexist Sexless sex sexist. Oh He is sexless Yep, he's correct It is stupid because no matter who you are watching this right now You can claim that you'd have been just as skeptical if Abby were a man But the fact is no because many women are biologically different Also, you just said you could say you'd be skeptical, but you wouldn't be the but that is because you're a sexist not for any other reason I don't know So what he's saying you wouldn't be as skeptical if it was a guy in a post spot called the same versus girl Is that what he's saying? Yeah, he's like, yeah, I'm yeah, that's what he's saying. I'm saying. Yeah, I agree if Abby was a man I would be slightly less skeptical Same still skeptics still skeptical but slightly less Yeah I don't know. I might be older than the rest of you guys, but So I've been around I've never I haven't met someone that has the same physique as Abby So I just kind of go Uh You can sort of throw up pictures from social media But if I've met a lot of people Yeah, and I've never met one. That's the same physique. So have you met anyone in the spotlight though? What Yeah, good point. But why don't they just come out and say look here's the deal Abby's an anomaly We're we're not going to explain it But she's just an anomaly and then and then they can go, you know, she's not representative of what of what the average woman can achieve Even with a lot of work now Why don't they just do that and then all argument be shut down Yeah, honestly, that could actually be a fine like answer to things that oh, they're a prodigy They're just born with it. They're just unique or something like that Abby just happened to have been born with certain genes that she put on the muscle I was like, you know, but you can make her Campaign represent the like parts of her life have been destroyed by her like adherence to the schedule to your desire to become Much stronger much faster much more prepared to knock out any Possible enemies and you tie it back to the fact that you you'd have to alter her dad's death But you can tie it back to the fact that she maybe was trying to move some shit out of the way of doors And she couldn't quite do it to get to him in time and he was killed and it's fucked with her forever And then uh, you know, like her friends don't really like her that much because she just she doesn't hang out You know, she's made her life all about it and you can we get the scenes where she's on her own Something pivotal on her being weak in a certain situation and that's like the motivation all along. Yeah, that wouldn't be brilliant I would have gone along with that No, but she she's afraid of heights guys. Doesn't that make her human Oh, man, we just are at the top of a fucking skyscraper in the apocalypse. Oh, no, this is not where I want to be I stand by how fucking confused I am about the sky bridges. I will never drop that. It is so I got a question for um, those of you who actually played the game Is there anyone any other characters in the game itself that actually acknowledges abby's strength as being unique exceptional Out of the ordinary actually In the end really, okay. It's a point. It was just more obnoxious because because Yeah, the the scenario is ellie is lost and she's trying to find abby, right? And she gets trapped by fat gerald and some other guy and she's got fat gerald who goes I know where abby is. She's thick, right? Like me and I'm like, oh Game like because like usually the um appearance of an individual depending on how extreme it is is something that is Seamlessly integrated into their interactions with people and general everyday life and like if you know someone who's really really tall For instance, sometimes they might be teased for being tall. Sometimes they're given clout because they're tall and it's just Buddy thing or sometimes that but it's usually acknowledged or mentioned and because it's always present. It's there it's in your face and stuff like that and Have you seen tall girl? Don't I Know Mr. I don't some guy in chat who has a long history of a tall girl It depends on how extreme the the unique trait is usually and height isn't one that's like Doesn't say unless it's like insanely different But I would say abby's size would be something that would even Perhaps intimidate other guys and stuff or suddenly it would be something that would affect relationships It would be something that would Be a squarely and fetish material well because and yeah, I think so It's so bizarre to me because if you want to write a realistic game with with realistic characters Has to be very very strongly based in reality Then you have to deal with realities, which for example, like you said, there Well a microscopic number of women who are six foot five or whatever abby's supposed to be and who are built like a truck That just it's not going to happen and it's going to affect every relationship that person has of her life For better or for worse and doesn't mean anything in terms of like. Oh, this is oh how sexist or how unsexist or whatever the Fuck it just means that it's going to affect you people who have red hair are treated differently from people who have brown hair That is a reality of life. Yeah Yeah Rangers have no souls. I'm sorry This is important then I have a I have like a third ginger beard. What does that mean? Every guy Every guy I've ever met has had like a third ginger beard. I think you're all safe. Okay. Have a thank goodness. Oh been confirmed Okay, you may continue Because you haven't been you've had chances before now to show that skepticism my friend in many many we have so And people have it's so interesting that is so convinced. No one has Everyone who's complained about it never's complained about similar things before And in order of that isn't post apocalyptic also He's got his ears covered with his arms and he's going lalala. I'm right with his arms I'm just picturing to throw his arms up at the end He post apocalyptic worlds full of diesel demand and only now only with abby do people suddenly care People who until now were among the most likely to excuse a game shittiness by claiming it's just a game What are you talking about? Is he implying wait, wait, is he implying though that he agrees that the last of us do is shitty? Yeah We can worry you're 100 correct. He is saying the last of us two is shitty if it didn't contain abby What the fuck? Yeah, it's like I don't know man like When he says shitty does is he referred to like things that aren't realistic things that aren't consistent or just What is he referring to the game in general? Yeah, no, he honestly because before and early in the video He was saying he was trying to say that Game is really ever call out things that are unrealistic which again, you know I took particular issue with because most of my channel is built around that very thing talking about more realism in fantasy pop culture and how medieval stuff is integrated and so it seems like he actually thinks It's rarely ever done and that game has always justified Unrealism in games because it's just games bro. That's what is essentially saying right now nobody still ascribed to that and There's so much research on this stuff. It really boggles the mind I mean all that calls out things that aren't realistic all the time. It's just no No, I think you mean nitpicks for 12 hours. Yeah lies about the fact that he's actually sexist Just just complain about things that oh the little spaceship didn't didn't hyperdrive. Oh, you just hate women What a nitpick. It doesn't really matter. It's a really effective at all You're denying the existence of purple-haired admirals Yeah, lore isn't important guys. God obviously like just lore stuff ignore it Shut the fuck up kids because the last of us two is just a game not even a particular Not this shitty fucking argument I've never heard an espn sports commentator Say stop treating it seriously. It's just a game Well, it's funny that he brings this out So late in the game Like I'm gonna try arguing direct against the point I'm gonna try arguing the point itself is kind of fucking useless now I'm gonna argue that you're all sex is now I'm gonna argue you're hypocritical and now I'm finally gonna argue It doesn't even matter. It's like wait. What was all that for then? Here's the thing in terms of the research games do have very little impact on the way people think and feel about things So he is kind of correct on his final point But he has to go through so much bullshit where let's look at the let's look at the fucking contradictions He goes through one by one by one all of these examples of why games are important and how they affect people And then says it's just a game. It doesn't affect people His last point is somewhat correct in the games of a very minor effect on people, but it is a minor effect, but He has gone through all of these points that say video games have this huge effect on human psychology Of which there is no evidence psychologically and research based Play too many vile video games mindless wonder Well that last comment is just a game seems to it Such like a horrible thing for like a person who makes their living off of games. It's like contradicting and undermining his very You know Yeah, it's just a game. Why why do you review them then? Why do And of course, it's contradicted by the fact that everything in this video Shows that he doesn't think it's just a game. Otherwise, he wouldn't have devoted so much bloody time to it I Great one. I mean, it's good You could just clip that bit by the way. Just any time he has any argument just pull out the Yeah You cannot simultaneously have the position that games can be very meaningful And deep and have these themes we could learn from and tell stories we care about and have characters We have these emotional bonds with and simultaneously and also But also he thinks they can be sexist and damaging and carry harmful stereotypes and everything like that Again, sorry. Sorry, he believes he believes all of that and then he's he spins around and says oh, and it's just a game Yeah, it's completely contradictory. It's bullshit Blame argument never worked for anyone else didn't don't know why he thought it would work for him It's just a fun zombie game. I'm being very insulting today and that's the game wasn't meant to be fun. Didn't you hear? Yeah Definitive a word from the creators, right is that it wasn't meant to be fun What a what a comment to make you know And I like that he's like I'm being insulting today And it's like yeah, because you're upset you're upset that people don't like abby. Oh I'm sorry because trying to debate this issue on the facts is relatively pointless. The fact is abby exists whether it's no No, she doesn't It depends in what abstract way at the character Concept exists, but the actual physical embodiment of the person doesn't exist in reality. Nope The bull or not she's got the arms in a mushroom zombie video game And she's not gonna disappear if you somehow prove she couldn't exist in the love never was then What the fuck you No, go ahead Okay, real quick Does he think that people who dislike abby believe that their dislike of abby is going to somehow make her disappear because that is some kind of Cognitive dissonance that I can't even begin to comprehend or explain. We can warrior. Please go ahead I could totally make abby disappear and just press the playstation button and press power off easy Wow Easy I prefer to take him to the extreme He thinks there's a cabal of sorcerers at the at the top of all of this and the casting spells to remove her from the universe in every format Like ugly, ugly, boogaloo just like sending all these Hippity, hippity, abby is Disapparity something like that Also, like Big brain moment for old jim here. So like i'm not sure I'll ever watch this But he actually wants to know the reason why people criticize abby and everything like that is because the character sucked And the audience doesn't want such sucky crappy characters again And so by criticizing it we hope that people will get informed as to okay. That was a bad Way to do it and then number three is better Yes, exactly Wait, do you think jim actually wants to know the answer to his own solipsistic question because I think he doesn't Of course not. No, probably not. No, I actually think he knows the answer He's just ignoring it Most of astu's world she does whether you like it's or not finding a workout regimen that was never What is what is this? What's tell me what it was intended to Tell me it's intent tell me the intent of a workout regimen that has the name abby on it And is filled out for the different days. Tell me what that's supposed to mean I just like this this rant He's like she does exist just because you've found this thing that means she couldn't exist doesn't mean she doesn't exist It's like Hold on is that his final point because everyone's point was that she sucks, but it's not refuting that is like Okay, because he's actually almost sideways acknowledged that she's ugly when he says that she's not conventionally He's also sideways acknowledged that She's crappy. Yeah That the game is bad. And so his final point is that it exists Yeah, as if as if he's been rattling himself this whole video and he's finally bottled himself down to Okay. Well, she's still there motherfuckers. It's like, okay I'm the avatar. You gotta deal with it abby exists. You gotta deal with it I'm the avatar You gotta deal with it. It's the only point you can get us to agree on like all six of us will be like yep, she exists. Yeah, true Jim she's still a bad character though We're intended to be so much as thought about for more than a second We'll not resurrect your precious beloved Joel. The last of us two came out eight years ago What a fucking shit bag It'll never green back I agree with the paladin Well, it's so rude people actually care about this character that it's been built up through People's oh my god hours of playtime. They actually care about this character And I don't even care anything about the second game But people have an an attachment and attraction to this character and for you to shit all over him It hurts people's feelings whether or not you you think that that's valid or not for someone who cares so much Supposedly about feelings and emotions and perspective Then you should give a fuck about the fact that people do not like when you shit all over a character that they fucking care about Okay, that's it. And also jim is using the the last of us two made a shit ton of money It must be good It also had an insane drop in sales out of refunds, right? Yeah Shut it down. They're destroying the narrative. Shut it down Also, what is all this shit about like you know the existence of these people you're denying them But then you'll in the other breath be like people who like joel don't exist because if they do they're abusive Fuck it out. So what's interesting is that when you if you type in the last of us two sales The thing that pops up first is the last of us two sales drop Oh, what could it mean also? I like I like you got sony's biggest digital first party launch Like why wouldn't it be it's last of us two. It's the last of us was huge It's like you need to look at other statistics to find out whether or not people enjoyed this shit I also remember drags since we're ragging on the sales of the last of us two in japan They're doing like a bundle if you buy this game you get free copies of the last of us two or something like that Yeah, japan doesn't care at all and and buy the game I've seen it being used as evidence that japan is racist, which is the funniest shit. I've ever fucking seen Oh my god guys. I I was I was looking through links and it brought me up to the the last of us two reddit Let me show you the first. Let's get some memes Okay, okay image that popped up for me once I went to the reddit Oh How how fucking wow How relevant Oh, you'll you'll like this one baller this one's really good. Oh boy. You can I think a lot of us can relate to this I love the multiple arms is great It's pretty crazy. This is all recent like all this is pretty recent in the in the world of media, you know What is This seemingly every medium empire want to destroy themselves. I don't get it. I really don't get it. Why do you all want to die? I think people want to subvert expectations, but they don't understand that Yeah, when you subvert something you have to say what would work and they don't actually fill in that gap No Oh, the best thing about this game, it's sold out in japan like physical copies are sold out in japan Okay, okay. Let's be real as to why okay? Is it because there wasn't Uh, uh, just not enough copies sent to japan or is it because there's so much demand in nihongo or nihongo, excuse me I I really am wondering which one is correct. I think people pick it. I think japanese like it Yeah, why don't we die? I don't believe it Oh Yeah Yeah, bye We brought all the weaves together here today. Let let our powers combine. I didn't you buy Oh, shit that meme though We can warrior Oh man, these memes are good God I had to I had to zoom out to show the abbey But shahd shahd if you don't know that character who could teleport in the game could just appear To save abbey in a pivotal moment Everybody knows Here I like how a tear includes a baby. Uh, I do remember where the character's name is daddy's a god to This nobody knows anything about Well, he is he is though. He is yeah, you like you like terminator too No, who's beside fat girl though, I can't see that's danny Can we stop calling him fat girl? I feel fucking, uh, oppressed or something No, he is Southpaw's tweet made it onto the blast of his two reddit Oh, I was him who posted it never mind Oh Well, it's really a beautiful image I will say the meme game for a lot of us too has been fantastic and when it's fueled by passion It's unstoppable. Yeah Here's something people don't understand about memes, right? Well, I think that the average person understands because people are way smarter than The stupid fucking media Enterprises believe is that memes are so much more powerful Then than any kind of media campaign could ever be and that's the thing guys make memes They are so much stronger than bullshit that companies put out and try to make popular just meme shit, man I mean, you remember that that darmok episode right like meme. I think like language is a metaphor I think memes are that just yeah, the DNA of the souls. That's what you mean. Yeah Yeah I mean in a way, yeah, there's there's a lot of research on this but yeah, uh, basically Memes are a way of conveying information in a simplistic way to get they are more powerful than language That's true. Yeah Everyone's laughing at memes right now. I'm trying to Exactly Go ahead. No, Aiden. Aiden. No, you are you're explaining why everyone is laughing That that's the beauty of the meme, right? Like Memes are so Because because they are understandable people in any context. They are omnilinguistic, right? They they transcend language and that's why memes are awesome. Yeah Like this one The way they spell egyptian Five thousand years ago Coherent text You don't like the last two-year-old before I'm coming up pretty good, too Oh Yeah, that's the thing I hate about Neil Druckmann when there is a good argument against the last of us two he ignores it Yeah, that's a good meme Well, I you gotta defend you gotta defend your game, you know It's not like You know, if you're gonna be the creative director and you put out a thing you got at least defend the game Yeah, but you know, you can't you can't put up a good defense. You gotta ignore the question However I would pause at the counter example If you've made a game and you know now that it's shit despite all of your best intentions Wouldn't it kind of be your best interest to then shit all over it and make it part of your own meme? No, no, no, no, no. Well, no, you'll make it trust you to have the job again Yeah, that would mean that Neil Cuckman was wrong and that's not possible Neil is always right But I think it would I think it would bring the gamers The consumer if you will onto your side by kind of making a joke about it, right? No, but the consumers are wrong for what I did knowingly would piss off a lot of people I think I think if you just embraced it and said you fucked up people would be more willing I think people would be more willing to accept your shitty game and would like it better than if you I think there's a guy on this panel that made a video that has a guy that acknowledges his game was shit And he made it work really hard to make it better Yeah, you can't come out and tell you tell people you're against shit. You just can't do that You can't you're not going to you're not going to win over enough of the audience that it would ever be Good enough people would people would go. Oh good. We've indicated and then they'd continue hating your game And also what would happen is, you know, you'd have your deputy creative director there going Yeah, I told them this was wrong all along And then when it comes to the last of us three, they go right Who are we going to put in charge Neil Druckman? No, well, he fucked up the last one He even admitted it and the creative director's gonna be waiting in the weeks There the deputy going why not put me in charge? I would have done it, right? And I'd like to add though, like I've seen articles where Neil Druckman knows that the game is going to be divisive And then that Abby will not be liked and now he's just like Ignoring that because even though he knows it. It's it's so disingenuous on his part Yeah, I think he's a bit between a bit of a rock and a hard place with that But I don't think you can really say anything. You just gotta pretend to love the game 110 If you have people that you you know, I have to Be accountable to like shareholders and stuff like that if the failure of the game falls to you you're axed. You're gone Yeah Also, it really depends on what are we talking about? What's the best course of action if you want to? Make the audience less toxic and angry like well It seems like the best move you can do is is defend your game And then start going quieter and quieter and quieter and then make a better one in the future I do think adan has a point about it would gain a lot of good faith from The general audience if you acknowledge mistakes, but that's what you were saying about the rock in the hard place Those because that could screw you over in your own job It has worked for no man's sky, right? They came out and they said whoa, we fucked up We really screwed this game up We we released garbage and then they came back and said, okay Well, we're gonna fix it and they did everything that they could to fix it and now people are kind of okay with no man's sky Well, no, they They said that we've we've made mistakes and we're gonna continue improving the game They never came out and said our game is shit Okay, oh I a check I got a question. Do you think that neil drachman knows he fucked up? Or does he believe in the masterpiece that he made? No Like I think I think he can probably see the um the weaknesses in the narrative and the story And then I think he's also in a very weird position for the sequel because they're gonna want a sequel And now I think they've set it up for these these two characters abby and and live to be them And now nobody wants them as the the sequel character. Yeah Yeah But at the same time from a financial standpoint, it's a huge success So he's he's probably guaranteed the job for the next one. So it's uh, you know, he's he's one and lost so Um, I'm not if he makes a decent sequel people will love them all over again Yeah, but I don't know. She can though. That's the same Well, maybe not Executive producers and movies for a reason and a lot of the time, you know, a lot of the time they fuck with the movie But a lot of the time they make improvements and maybe he'll go okay I don't want to shit storm this time. I'll actually listen to an executive producer He's gonna go now that won't work. Now that won't cut that out Okay, that's fair I also just don't believe the game was really as much of a financial success as people believe that it is Because it seems that every game store in the country pre-ordered massive numbers of the last of us too And despite the fact that that the okay So when we hear about what the sales were for this game, we only hear about the retail sales That means how many um copies were sold to retailers that doesn't mean how many copies were sold to individual people So I don't actually believe that the copies that were sold to individual people match the numbers that were sold to retailers I I truly believe that the numbers have been exacerbated and overblown Exaggerated. Yeah, I I I suppose I would say I would say yes and no so um, I do think that they've had monumental sales and and there's no real denying that and they've they've set themselves up for The budget for their next project easily and made a tidy profit But I would say that it seems to me from the last of us won um, they've they've kind of set up a business model where um You release part one on the old console And then it moves over to the next generation and then you release the remastered version on the next console And then that brings in a whole lot more revenue. Uh-oh. Am I you can still hear me, right? Yes So so it's like Well, this this model isn't gonna work if you've Fucked up the game and then people aren't going to want to buy the remastered version on the ps5 Yeah, so see what I mean like that's their secondary revenue model And if if people really hate the game and you get all this initial buy in the first place to see Oh, what happens next to to ellie and joll? Yeah, so so maybe in the long term the financial success might not be that great, but Um, I I think at least five million copies. Hey, it's pretty hard to argue against that I'm just very um concerned because As someone who has followed the comic book industry for all of my adult life I have seen how comic books have fallen through the same pitfalls Wherein we'll say oh, hey this superman comic sold 100,000 copies Which is a big deal in in comic books. Comparatively. I know it's very small but oh this this superman comic was so Hypothetical it has sold so much But the reality is that it sold so much to stores because it was sold so much via the publisher Not via the amount of people who bought it and I'm not sure what the right it's sold to the retailer not to the customers Yeah, that's what I'm seeing and I've seen that so much in comic books that I I expect that some of that is the same case in the last of us just given the consumer feedback Um versus the last of us too that I think people don't like it very much Yeah, I've also I this is rumor, but I have I've heard that um, they've been counting even some of the giveaway Um copies of last of us when they're packaged with like ps4s and things like that have been counted as in the sales figures as well So it's hard to know exactly what they would be That's not too too unusual though. They tend to bundle, you know the best games with the new playstation console um but Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I the real figures will get released eventually And uh, yeah, we'll find out it's just so hard to tell basically because um, again like the the companies or the Stores that buy the games Are usually the figures that get reported as we see how many figures are bought by Publishers and distributors. We don't see the actual end result of how you bought a product and that inherently inflates product numbers Particularly in comic books at least particularly in comic books because comic book sellers always buy way more than they need But I think the games are probably susceptible to the same problem Yeah, well, though, what were they aiming for they were aiming for about um Three million copies or something was it? What was their what was their initial aim and two 2.8 million in digital sales? People really like the last of us and then they made the second one people like yeah That's the interesting point is that a lot of the success of this one Was kind of riding off of how much people love the previous one And how divisive this one has been it'll be very interesting to see how many Would be like it made a billions like probably could have made three but tlj fucking slashed the shit out of it And if refunds were typical things for movies then Well, here's the thing I wouldn't be surprised if that the lack of sales over the last of us too Which I believe that there are I don't have the direct numbers right now But if they blame that the lack of sales even though the game is available digitally They will blame it on cobit. I that's just my guess. That's just my anticipation. Um, I could be wrong Oh, yeah, I'm sure they would Yeah, anything to say that it's not Neil's fault. I think he'd use it I would be surprised Anyway back to stealing, right? I like this discussion better than the fucking video, I just want to I'm a piece of shit over and over Jim's about to say something insightful. Come on, Jim. Oh, yeah Okay, let's get back to it. Tell me you can't change that. None of us can change it I know your experience in erasing black people from european history. Whoa What Is this is this the kingdom Kingdom They're right. They're probably Rather talking about kingdom come deliverance or more. Yeah, three has allowed you to believe you can alter the past, but you actually can't What is this? That's it. We We think that a bunch of black guys running around and these games are trying to be very Historically authentic would be really weird. So we're trying to erase black people from history No, and it's not virtuous. No, and it's so insulting to me that he's just ignoring the intent of Developers right weekend warrior as a brown person. You should shut up and listen to Jim Sterling Oh my god. My internal racism ology is is is acting up That's my fetish. I just like being erased from history. Yes Wait, so just going back to that I think you could Okay, you could make a medieval story where there's a random black guy in it that's pivotal to the plot I'm not going to complain. It's just that these guys didn't want to tell that story. Okay And I think it's insulting for you to go. Oh, there were black people. Why didn't you put black people there? It's it's just ignoring what the actual developer wants to make out of his game, right? Like Well, just just ignore what he wants. Let's just do whatever we want, right? Yeah, exactly like The abbey deal with it It's interesting to know you how many um Black people jim thinks should be in a medieval setting all of them. All of them 100% Just see just get a number off of him. No, just Oh, man He believes that if you you boot up you boot up mordhow and you go to play as as as great britain You better have a 100 black army or else. You're a fucking racist You felt the dirty evil white supremacist Okay It's actually an interesting study Finding out what the perspective of you know, black people were in medieval times and stuff like that and it is intriguing Um, and what you find is that there were very very few there They knew of course of them in actual fact They even had it in some instances in different parts of the history They had almost an exotic kind of mysticism to them because they were you know, people of the skin color was so rare and um And they even depicted one of the saints St. Maurice, uh, they depicted him as being black because he was from africa There was no actual account of him It was a roman soldier that spared the life of a christian and so many evil times he became a saint and um And because it was from africa they actually depicted a saint a religious figure saint as a black person in medieval times and And so it's just it's really really interesting because that actually speaks to what you know The lack of really prejudices and biases they had because they were so unfamiliar with them in the actual fact There's really cool shit like that in history that people kind of forget because they want to project their weird moderate stuff instead of Portraying the the neat stuff that's actually happened in the history of the human race, you know Well, check this out. Um That's a picture of st. Maurice the person I just mentioned and look at how they depict this This I look down and talk to him sterling so you have St. Maurice no But have a look at that like decked out in gold and the most epic armor and everything cool Like how awesome is that? Pretty bad Dammit So anyway, it's a very interesting it's a very interesting topic, but It's just uh, you know when people say It's sexist to not have black people in a medieval setting. It's like you really don't know much about medieval period. Do you then? Well, okay, here's the question right is that there were in these incredible Black empires in Africa Where are the games about those empires? If you really want to make these games Shot if you're going to make a fucking game about european countries and european empires Then don't play some stupid bullshit Make a fucking game about black african empires because they agree it exists Yes, and oh my god, and when you make a when you make a a thrilling fantasy RPG action adventure game with like stealth elements in third person about the unification of the zulu empire Um, I think that there should be white people in it for representation purposes because we don't often hear about There should have been more people who were white in black panther. I was offended. I just I just want them to be consistent on their Principles we're gonna do just a molly songhi egypt. Whatever you want to do I mean there there are games there's like games like pharaoh that allow you to be a city builder game at least but Just if you want to make A a game that predominantly features black people to make about the molly or songhi empire Why do you have to And have been building temples and then there's nothing wrong with that. Isn't that right? Hey moller the chat requesting to see something. I think it might have been the um The same picture saint. What's his name? Oh, sorry I was I was sorting out something I think they also wanted um Gidele for for something as well. I think it might have been the the sudden You could get out this whole thing. No, I just mean like Jim stealing's like sudden you want to erase black people. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? I'll calm down move on It's such just a weird or it's such a weird thing to say, right? I mean it's just strong Yeah, he's uh, he's caked in this like atmosphere. He just doesn't know how to speak in any other way He's just like you must be raised. That's just That can be no other explanation. It feels so weird. Like let's roll it back. How weird it comes out It's all not finding a workout regimen that was never intended to be so much as thought about for more than a second Will not resurrect your precious beloved joe. Yeah Yeah, I'm putting black people in european history isn't going to ring a bad guy there None of us can change it. I know your experience in erasing black people from european history has allowed you to believe you can Like we're talking about this in this video I love it. It's such a weird Yeah Suddenly erasing black people This is your experience as well like you the audience Like my personal experience of me going around erasing black people Like shut up. I can't believe I found out jam. How did you know? Someone who was wondering why the fuck abby is so fucking brick built like a brick shithouse But look at that and they're like, oh, okay here Any other game in look think about left for dead, right? It's just a very basic example where you get these little tiny Messages that are written on on the safe safe zones That are meant to display messages to the the Subsequent survivors, right? That's such a small thing that makes the game feel like it's a lived in world So why why would you not expect for the the person playing the game to read something that is put there intentionally? As part of the game's message it is so dumb Tell me how long i'm supposed to look at something in a video game Seven minutes seven minutes is all i have seven minutes is the limit can only yeah I think people say oh you're you're supposed to feel this you're supposed to do that This is how much you're so you get this a lot. You're supposed to care this much We get that a lot for movies. Yeah, it's the same thing You're only supposed to look at this for a second and then not ever think about it or mean think it means something They're like, why do you think they put it in? He was using it for his own argument Right, anything that goes into a game has to be passed by like three different tribunals of people who say this is okay to go in He has to pass Neil Druckmann three times. Oh, yeah, he's not big enough. Yeah He's not bigger bigger Make her arms ticker. Dr. Druckmann, could you put your pants on bigger? He grabs the little ob slide or the character creation. He's just cranking it up like He looks like the Michelin man, sir Computers are eating everyone's shaking Steven, you can't handle the game, sir More! Yeah Pastor, when you actually can't, what's pasties prologue, folks? I don't understand why he's making this argument. Isn't it just a game? Beast IH This whole video is garbage Just a game? How dare you? How dare you? You're diminishing the experiences of African people How darest thou? Abbey can't be real neither can the bulls How dare you? And whether you like it or not and it's time to move on and i'm simply not going to pretend There's an actual valid reason for disliking abbey's existence Dislikin What? Who are you talking about? There can't even be a reason There's no reason for disliking a character who literally kills and beats the main character to death There's no valid reason for that, is there, Jim? There's no valid reason to hate the character that doesn't really change shroud the course of the fucking game There is no That's because he's already concluded that the reason we don't like her is because we can't jerk off to her Oh, yeah What a gypsy holy Yeah, I posted something to the to the e-faps. That's pretty funny An exquisite work of art I may say Yeah, thank you But let's be frank the biggest difference between a refrigerator and abbey is that I would definitely stuff my sausage into a refrigerator Well, at least to keep you nice and cool Yeah Character dislike the story, but when you're debating that the character can't exist Especially when she's not even Hang on Okay, just a to dislike the character and dislike the story. Oh, well, then those would be the reasons why Why people don't like her ever No one has ever said the character shouldn't exist. No one has ever fucking. I mean, maybe I don't think she should exist No, I think her existence is a detrimental to the human race. That's what I think He said calm does anyone said she can't exist. Yes That's the point. I think that no one is saying she cannot exist. Yeah, that's that's the fucking point My argument is her existence is incorrect incorrect It was a mistake. It was a mistake. Yeah horrible mistake Top 10 least believable aspects of the game. I'm gonna side-eye you You're trying to say women with certain body types shouldn't be in games that women Is Okay, he's equating very valid character concerns with Women who look like that should it be in video games, which is what anyone is saying He's kind of gone nuts now because you can tell he's now dragging like Literally any woman at all any woman at all. It's like just you're saying women who People should be allowed to exist you horrible and you're like, dude, we're going. Where are you going? I thought I was really clever trying to just use a hated character like like abbey to To veil my horrible misogynism for all women literally hashtag all women and he discovered it Man, I worked so hard to be careful Really quick me in In my doctoral level research the study that I did to complete my doctoral thesis was basically based on this It was the idea that that that being that being feminine and having a feminine body would somehow disenfranchise women when they played with a feminine body in a video game And I did not find that because it's not not what I was expecting to find by the way But it's such bullshit. I think I remember that video the one about like with uh Whether or not people choose male or females and mmo's and stuff. Yeah, it's it's it's based on that research my researcher was Um dependent on that which is basically that um, you know the idea that oh women will only want to play games That that have a female characters look strong and not feminine That's not what I found at all What I found is that women want to play female characters that look feminine That have their titties out and their butts out women prefer to play those characters 100 percent. Hang on You're saying women actually prefer femininity Oh, I know how unbelievable Aiden weird flex that you're a doctorate I have a doctorate in game boobies But okay, because just kidding No fuck all this shit like for real I cannot believe that it is so crazy to me that ding dongs who know nothing about media psychology Come into this field and go I know everything about media psychology because I watched a video about how women are oppressed And they just go in and go hard on this shit when you know absolutely fucking nothing and have no clue About 30 to 40 years of data that have been collected on this fucking area of research Just really really boggles my mind really Uh gives me a big old brain funk. Um, so done with it I think I'm sterling P word and word. Yeah, so oh my god Erasing the n-word. It's like easy and didn't like Bella from twilight. Oh, oh there you go That's the level of her research No, seriously like um when the all the whole feminist frequency stuff was coming out I was like, all right. Look, uh, if I'm gonna disagree with them I need to read what they're actually writing and give them a fair go So I decided to open up one of her, um Her papers that was Bella versus Buffy Yeah, and I started reading it and it only took me like a couple of paragraphs in to see some Horrible false equivalences like black glare. I was like, wow Wow, all right. Okay. So that's the intellectual rigor of this. There you go It's kind of crazy that she happened because she's just her positions were always so just like what the fuck You've built this on nothing The one where she was saying, um, how Batman's cape was decided to hide his butt. Oh, yeah, that's crazy Too great is presented for everyone watch the jewel shoot marker films They very carefully show you the butt before the cape swipes across it. Okay No, and it's funny because I think that's proof She doesn't play video games because I think there's an I think an Arkham asylum or in one sequence Batman's cape gets destroyed, right and you can clearly see Batman's beautiful box And the fact that there's that girl in there and the cape covers that girl's butt as well, but yeah, so, you know Or you could turn She also uses hitman as an example of violence against women when she's playing the game wrong She like I just remember of thanks Shad. You you made me remember a shitty and eat the sarcasm video I don't know if you watch this aiden or anyone else guys I'm just gonna share it like she she uses hitman as video games violence against women argument because She uses the assassin who is supposed to kill his targets to just kill random ladies Yeah So problems in in that so called data. There are so many fucking issues. I'm I'm not trying to Hijack the screen, but I'm so angry about that kind of shit. We're people. Thank you doctor I'm just so mad Oh mad man Spend my dude you spend your entire life Trying to show that that games and that media doesn't cause violence because by the way 100 200 300 pieces of research have not shown Once that media causes violence in a causal relationship No, no, no Never I know so surprising right and then you have to constantly deal with this shit and you and you have The really hilarious thing is that when I started my phd work the people who were saying well the media causes violence We're all the right and now it's all the left-winging people who are just like oh the media causes violence and we're so angry because We don't like the way they treat women. No, no, no, I can show you every study on every Every Exact level that shows this does not cause violence. It does not cause sexism It does not cause anything because media facts do not have this level of impact upon human psychology It has been proven for 80 years. There is so much research that I can't even begin to cite it That's it So in other words jim doesn't know what the hell is talking about no He has no fucking clue what he's talking about and if you had any goddamn idea I'd get so mad Oh, maybe that's your internal misogyny talking internal With only one or two particular body types should be and the hateful comments sexually sneering attitudes and clinging Desperation to scrub out abby's entire presence. Why did they keep appealing to this? No, and also in the first last of his game. There was a fat guy there, right? Yeah, the yeah, the gave the gay fat guy was there. I don't see anyone praising him Like I just like I'm just picturing him. You just your little your little icon peers and this created with a little pointy It's like look there's a fat guy. Look Look at him. I mean No one is saying that these types of people and these types of appearances shouldn't be in these games It's just such a bad argument. Yeah bill. I forgot. I forgot guys. Sorry like chat is like bill bill the gay hermit like I also like him. Okay. I liked every other side character in the first game But not in the second game also this it's just That's it. Sorry Jim is trying to say that the outcry against abby was for the purpose of getting her removed from the game It's like I'm pretty sure everyone knew that wasn't gonna happen But maybe removed from the food. The game's already made Yeah Hey guys, do you think they'll kill off abby in such a psychotic way in the third game? No, how I don't know. I don't even know if there's gonna be a third game at this Yeah, no idea what they're gonna do story-wise they sit up They sit up abby and live be like the new jack and daxter in the third one and then it's like No, there's nowhere else to do with ellie. Joel's gone Everyone else is gone And so what are you what do you do? Maybe the prisoners in the jail? Yeah, I think the thing is They set up abby and lev's journey to where if the fireflies are that's they're going that's going to be like the third game, right? But no one likes them. So I don't know where you're gonna go with it They could do a game that's based in between the two timelines of first and second The sum of us. Yeah, some of us. That's the title of the game several A little bit of us Oh, I want to be like with um Sack boy a look sack boy a little bit of us Betrays that motive far greater than you think any video game has betrayed you because it had a woman with muscles or pink Oh my god I'm sorry pink hair just is generally really not attractive at all But the dlj shit slipping in there because well unless he's referencing Well, okay rags. I disagree with you. There is a girl out there that has Is good with pink hair and her name is sakura miko, so Let's say She's uh, she's a vtuber so Is that pink hair? I guess it's pinkish. Yeah. Yeah, it could be pink. Yeah, it's sakura, right? It's kind of pink. Oh, well, I mean she's not real You oh, are you saying abby? Is it real? Are you taking away? Wow, wow good job good job rags I'm gonna deny the existence of japanese people. Oh my god. She looks like an anime character Are you denying anime? Rags is denying everything I can't do his argument. I can't do fucking Tell me what to do homeboy. Oh, I'll jump on it Yeah, she's just And I'll just I'll just translate it in japanese then you'll sound really cool. All right. Hey, I got it Too much Horrible thing it turned the stream has taken A livery that has risen up from the darkness We can warrior just message me on discord and or I'll translate anything you want into japanese Say bing bong in japanese Oh my god All right Challenge accepted translate new mono ultramacroscopic silica vulcanicone osis Fuck Yo, I can do that shit. What the fuck? Shitaki mushrooms Mahindai, this is so fucking weird. Okay, whatever We need to go back to gym. He's only got three We've almost done it guys Babies Stop speaking in made-up languages gosh None of us can understand enough livery we have a reputation to protect here. I hate his get up Well, he hates your get up you're just a you're the coin with two lines in it Why are you Yeah, you're kind of like a full guy Oh, but I but I was a fall guy before fall guy started take that. It's too late. It's too late They're more popular than you which means now you followed them Oh my god, so I changed my avatar to like people will think you're the one full guy who's like no i'm above this Oh, yeah, I will wear a normal jacket Yeah, what could he say for three minutes? Oh, I oh we'll be surprised. Oh shed. I guess we'll find out Guys, I've been more than a little antagonistic with today's video and some people would argue You shouldn't be antagonistic. You'll only rile them up. But what are the other options? I mean one of the options is to actually fence them. Yeah, he's arguments. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I give it don't strum in the position Don't ignore actual valid complaints about fucking abbey. Jesus christ. I mean very well Literally having sex with abbey just just the the total disdain for the character as a whole He called us abusive wankless wankers who are babies children all this shit for ages He's calling most of the gamer audience that and then it's just it's just games, bro Why why take it so seriously well it ends with him saying what else can I do? It's like, oh, I don't know Anything else Jim not be a piece of fucking shit. Have you tried that my dude This video improves if you take all those fucking insult because it's very worse when you insult when you just Categorically wrong. It doesn't it's just it's just like But like yeah, I'm well underway with this Mando review and I'm clearly taken an unpopular position So from a strategic point of view Insulting people baselessly every three seconds probably isn't going to be a strategy that I decided Yeah, I was gonna say there are multipliers here such as he's really vitriolic He's doing it quite a lot and he refutes his own evidence while insulting people It's just it's just like what are you what are you doing, buddy? You gotta Don't work on this Look at that sinuring face. He is yeah Wouldn't it be hilarious to see him in an actual live debate with someone about this? I mean, he's been on podcast before let's have him on. Yeah Come on, Jim. We'll talk to you about arms Desire You could try and debate their points as if they have merit, but like You've already assumed their points don't have merit. Well, that's your first mistake. Yeah, I was gonna say Jim Even if you don't think they do We go ahead They think the same that's like whenever you're like there's no point in debating them because they don't have any merits like Why do you think they hold their position? They think your point has no merit? Yeah, they think that they're correct and even if it's for a reason that isn't correct that they think it is So you're going to have to Do something about that something reasoned them into the position that they have And the only way to the way first off the way to convince them otherwise is not to insult them and call them horrible names Not this strategy you want to take Um, it's one it doesn't work very well You don't want to be antagonistic because then they won't listen to you or think that you're saying anything in good faith And they won't believe you just out of spite. Even if they do believe you they're not going to show it Um, oh, yeah, that does happen. Like people will be like, yeah, I was actually convinced But I was just too fucking pissed off like to yeah, and they just won't say it And you'll never know that they might end up agreeing with you But you'll never know and they'll never spread that to anyone else Because just because out of the sheer personal spite to you because you were such an asshole to them Yeah, they they also do this thing where everything you said Is totally invalid because they're against you're against them in a sexist way like Why would I even talk to a guy that doesn't want Abby to exist? I think he's gonna go like that big Yeah, exactly Those glasses look very tired on his head. Do you see the indented putting on Right there. I wouldn't you're being very fat phobic right now. Yeah Oh, I know it's like with my glasses the problem my temples it drives me crazy and seeing that just makes me Bro, I just got some new glasses. I have to advertise to my animal and They are a little bit on my head even though They're not my head isn't that bad, but it's just like that's trying to mess up there a little time Yeah, I have I mean And what can I tell you I am an open pansexual queer whose relationship with their gender especially recently has been a little He's right, you know, this is as manly as it gets around here I wonder if this is like a back door that people use for why they can't be manly or don't see themselves as manly They just go straight to Like I'm just having gender issues instead of just saying I'm just not a noro I just not typically masculine in the normal way Like I don't know. It's weird. I get so is he saying like he's he's personally annoyed because he's Not sure of himself right now or something. I don't I don't know No, that's it 100% Abbie in some just will connected way represents him in some version Well, I believe that Jim I don't want to speak for him obviously But I believe that Jim does not identify currently as Male or female he identifies as something in between. I I'm again not trying to be mean I think that's just because he's a really shitty man I think that's just just how he identifies And that may be why he's trying he likes this kind of representation. Again. I'm not trying to mean I just think that that is his But hang on then if that if that is the case that's him acknowledging that abby's gender It comes across as ambiguous I don't know. Yeah, I don't know Well, that's not really too much into it. It's just all that is bringing that up in relation to it because it seems like What you feel represented by abby then like no, that's not just a week Also, it's a weird thing to make as part of your argument, you know Oh, it's definitely 100% weak. I I'm more than willing. I think all of us here would probably be would agree That we're all willing to if somebody says, hey, could you please refer to me by my preferred pronouns That we would be willing to do that but that it's confusing when somebody starts to use that as a Explanation for their actions or whatever. Do you know what I mean? If someone came to you in private and said, hey, could you refer to me by these pronouns? I think we'd all be pretty cool with that, right? Yeah with jim sterling. It's a little Confusing yeah Yeah, I don't know. I wish you'd just like critique the game and then No one cares jim Yeah, well actually it's just a game. Let's just I'm curious where he's going with this Let's just fucking used to spending a large portion of my life being told I literally don't exist. Oh No one's doing that jim. No one's doing that my dude Wait, maybe someone is saying that jim should exist though Says he's a biological male. He feels that's denying his existence because he sees himself in avi I guess Because because people are saying it's hard for her to have those levels of muscle Therefore she does not exist Therefore denied like he's like oh like my existence has been denied. This is a this is a weird connection, but okay I put that out beforehand because I knew this was coming just to be sure that Because I think everyone in the chat and everyone watching this knows That no one here is is a bigot but Just to be clear just what big no one here is a fucking bigot besides maybe jim sterling, but whatever He doesn't like white people Someone did by the way. Uh, you mentioned getting the joe model. Um, I did get Someone sending me this but I don't I think this is the only um Upper model for joel Yeah, I was gonna say I don't think there's ever a time where you can see his arms. He's always wearing I don't know Abby's arms looked as thick as that compared to him wearing the jacket on top. So, yeah You gotta work on that joel He's working on it in hell people in my life And I've got friends who are being just having their very human rights debated by turfs Galvanized as they are by the way, uh, what human rights are being debated? Oh So are are there any doubts about his political leanings at this time? Everything I just said about how he he deserves some respect because he just insulted turfs and really wow I'm kind. I don't know. I'm kind of with the turfs not gonna lie That's a joke. Dang it. That's a joke I just So that's trans exclusive radical feminists. Yeah Yeah, I can sympathize with that I don't I'm no typically no friend of feminists, but I can sympathize with the turf I mean, I just think that that jim here's kind of a problem with people on his side of of The bay or whatever you want to call it. They're always in an increasingly small Habitat right their habitat keeps shrinking and shrinking and shrinking because they always have to redefine what they are and what they accept Because it always keeps redefining itself So jim is kind of stuck in a bit of a conundrum, isn't he because he cannot Be himself or say anything he wants to say without being called a racist or a sexist or whatever, you know It is weird weird loss was to go I don't What the fuck Linnah and jk Rowling who is a turf by the way By the way, I do understand that I defended some viewers in the past by saying that jk Rowling is a turf Well, yeah, jk Rowling acknowledges that there are differences between biological sexes And I think that if you're It's like Oh Let's look at this from the let's say you're a super radical feminist type, right? And then you get told that Biological men can essentially decide that they're women and now they get all the things that you've been fighting for for biological women That's You know, do you think you see how that might cause some issues with feminists? That rags because that's racist. Also, there's there's a big big big war for her on twitter, right? She's written like old kinds of essays and shit back and forth all kinds of like I'm just I thought we would tell them I'm a fucking loss of a stube What happened to the game guys You can't think about it too hard because it will inevitably Lead to the destruction of your own brain. So just Just accept it and take it in the right to be different Debate it I don't think that's what's being debated is the right to be different. Yeah, that's this whole yeah They can yeah, that's that's not exactly what's being questioned. It's not a matter of It's not a matter of someone external to me believing whatever the hell they want It's a matter of them trying to impose upon me what they want me to acknowledge and believe That's the difference. Yeah You can believe whatever the hell you want. It's not what I'm stopping you When you have biological males who are competing against biological females I don't know like that's that's that's a little more complicated than just the right to be different Yeah, whichever end of it you whichever end of the argument you're on Like we'll be sorting that out for years probably trying to figure out how to make it I don't eat just just how does it how do you even make that fair? It's like, I don't know because we've got all these rules already about uh Men and women being separated into different sport categories. It's just like uh, yeah I see the articles pop up where you know, uh, I guess a trans woman Yeah, you bet Fun and uh, have me on again soon. This is good. Absolutely. We'll find another game controversy to Absolutely Sure, something else will be released suited up. That's gonna be yeah You're escaping at the right time, sir. It's just about to get hotly political You couldn't he couldn't just you know, how to separate video for whatever this is because I thought we were just talking about whether the muscles were possible At this point really Um, but yeah, thank you for popping in and of course, uh, I look forward to whatever new video you're putting now Hell yeah Yeah, absolutely Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Has he been asked the question as internet? Yeah, yeah, yeah Oh already on a previous stream, of course All right, all right never mind. We got him covered Take care of my dude. Yes. Um All right, let's just let's get to the end. I suppose To see general people's existences disputed when she's there No This is so weird. This is all over the place. I don't even know what to do with this no, he's saying that feelings are hurt in real life and then the fictional people's existence is being validated Which don't hurt anyone because they're fictional What are you talking about? But it really seems like he is drawing a parallel between trans rights and abby Who is not trans but it seems like it's an open acknowledgement now that her gender is ambiguous and she looks like a man we've gone to the broadness of just People saying that's a good point shahad People saying like it shouldn't be possible for it to be that way in that environment is denying her existence thus denying many people's existence of whatever else in in real life and it's just like oh That's an interesting leap. You've just made. Yeah, I don't think that there's the same thing at all even separate in the fact that games in real life Correct in that. Yeah, they're basically saying Uh, or they want to say that yes, she is a trans woman But we can't say that she's a trans woman because that would be I don't know. It's not how offensive This is some really crazy Multi-level shit that I have no idea how to the example earlier with the three arms or whatever I think rise whatever if we were like, yeah, you can't have a third arm coming out of your chest It's fucking weird and then he's like wow you're denying their existence much as though people's existence in real life It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Where you going come back. What are you doing? Like it's for me. He gets lost a lot of the time In the universe for for that character to have those muscles Well, it makes sense in that universe because that's it does in a universe where clearly abby does look the way she looks That's not video games don't fucking have laws that we have to go by like universal laws Yeah, if if the idea here is that it's possible because we see it The fact that it's presented as possible is what the problem is So because it doesn't make any sense Right rags are completely correct There's all kinds of research on this in that people can be convinced to believe something is realistic if they are presented with a Realistic representation is something however That doesn't mean that because there is a realistic representation of a thing that means that it makes people think it is real That's just those two things do not follow and there is no evidence database that supports that hypothesis Just fascinating to me like whoa, whoa Yeah, this whole thing is fascinating It's like if a guy in a game points to another guy and says that's a married bachelor It's like oh, I guess that's possible then It's like no that doesn't make any sense Like well, but but he said the guy in the universe said You're like, okay, this is it reminds me of the the hyperspace kamikaze in tlj The problem is that it has been established to be a thing. That's what causes the problem Like we can believe it. We believe in the universe. You can do it and again, that's the issue That's what creates all the problems is that it's shown to be a thing that you can just do Just saying something that in this in the universe means it's possible doesn't mean that it can't be contradicted by its own rules in its own universe So that point is a flaw and humans in the last of us universe work exact same way that we do There's no like there's never a point in the game where they go. I don't know We've got genetic research that has changed all of us. Nope. It's based on how we work And you know, they could have actually added something like that in like I don't know a warped mutation of whatever Does things to clickers gave her massive gains I like some bull crap like that, but you can do that because it is fiction. They could have easily worked out something like that Sadness give an answer that is somewhat satisfied. Yeah, and what they don't they do instead They were like she's next to a gem and she has a workout schedule good enough by and is like Exactly it was an active choice by the developers to not make something that made sense Yeah, you you cared enough to have that in the game So That means that we're not that we weren't before but doubly so now it's something that's worth exploring It's not a it's not a debate It is, you know, some of the comments we looked at here some of the comments I've seen continue to sprout and spew forth from people's diseased mouths. I still Trying to claim Those comments he was that they're probably cherry pick to prove his point also. It's not really the spectrum of the debate Exactly. It's not representative of what most people are complaining about like the main discussion is on the manner in which Joel dies That was like the big big discussion And I hear this a lot from the especially lefty types like it's not a debate They just assert things are the way they are and even though there is a raging debate going on They're like there's no debate to happen. It's not a yeah 100% really is No, it's not a debate. It's either Existence or you're a racist or sexist something like that It's not a debate women could vote. It's like no that that was a debate that we had we had that debate one side one Like this is how we get forwards I mean if everyone can just Indignantly declare that there isn't a debate to be had and they're correct Well, then everyone could do that and then boom holocaust Yeah, well that that is the problem, isn't it? Is that no, I mean that really is the issue, isn't it? Well, I mean that's how it happens. There's no debate to be had that you have to be exterminated Let me use my female voice to speak but people like jim want to speak for women Which is really not only condescending but extremely rude And I really hate this kind of shit where you want to speak for women You are not speaking for women and implying that you do is is just this abstract crap That that does not mean anything. You are just talking out of your fucking ass. You dumb fuck Do not speak for women. You do not speak for women and do not fucking pretend that you do Ah, it's so gross Jesus. I mean at this point. He's kind of emperor of the world speaking like he's like this is This is how it works. You know, like all right then Such unicorn escrarities that they shouldn't be seen in a video game and that's what it all comes down to These people shouldn't be seen and these people shouldn't be heard. No, no, no Not not at all. All right, let me never person of indeterminate gender. No If they're not the absolute bog standard factory default setting protagonist No, that's not that's not at all. Jesus. No, I can I also just comment on his like He dismissed the like the jim schedule of abbey, right? Like if it made sense people wouldn't make a big deal out of it That's another that's the thing that it will be just a few minutes. Oh, she has a schedule. That's fine But the fact that people are bringing it up in conversations is Makes abbey's existence like oh my bad abbey's like physique even more Special in that world. It's it's yeah 100 percent Yeah, it's so weird so Sorry, you finish no shad. Go ahead. I just hate this argument Just trying to understand his argument and trying to give him the benefit out here is saying if you do not show these more exceptional People who fill in more of their kind of gaps of the human experience. You could say In video games, they're never gonna be seen that that seems to be his Am I correct? He's saying that they don't want them to be seen these these theoretical like like I imagine he would put us Yeah, yeah, it's like ew. We don't want those people on screen. No stop because if we like translate that into the thing that is already snarkly Reference twice in this video about um black people in medieval, you know based history, right? It's like that doesn't mean black people aren't in video games But that seems to be what is equating it to is that a video game is made to be more historically accurate to represent Say the medieval period and therefore black people are going to be very rare If at all even present in many locations Then he's saying that uh, they're excluded from all video games. That's no it's not what's being said at all It's not at all the reality again. There's a lot of yeah, there's all kinds of stuff You could make video games about that I guarantee Particularly I think if the way that video games are right now People would want to make games about let them all your son my empire I guarantee you will guarantee you who would want to make games about those places in history If you flip flip it around and say If there's a game about, you know, the aztec empire or something like that Then I wouldn't expect nor went to see a bunch of white people running around in it. Yeah, I mean I'm trying to deny the existence of white people Yeah Like you can't just once you swap this around it not that it works on its own But it gets more and more silly the more almost identical Examples that you pull out. Well, similarly it just falls apart so quickly and easily if a video says like the only people complaining This playing about this are a bunch of black people you get in trouble But if you say it's just a bunch of white people it's like, oh, yeah Oh, yeah, it's fine. We can make fun of young white people all the time. That's not a problem Yeah, white males white males. Yeah, fuck them. We can make fun of them and group them and categorize them as much as we want Just don't do it to any of the other of the precious protected groups They gamers don't want them to be around They will scream about oh force to diversity when they see just a shred of diversity games are less than real life is Games are less I doubt that Yeah, I doubt that too. Also, I guess women with bionic arms and will war two or whatever that would be diversity Very diverse No, you just hate diversity Nobody cares The the 99 percent of quote-unquote gamers do not give a fuck what race what gender What ideology your character is identifies with as long as they're an interesting character This has been shown time and time again So just to make an interesting character and shut the fuck up Well, it's just crazy because all of this comes from people being annoyed at what abby did in the game But he's extrapolated all this crazy shit out of it Yeah, he's gone pretty far with it and like on his diversity point It seems to be almost based on a false premise an assumption that people will not be able to get invested into a property Or story or whatever unless Their specific race gender world experience or whatever is reflected in the show Which seems very odd because that's like almost saying that you know, therefore I It was impossible for me to enjoy the cosby show because It's got black people in it and no white people Therefore my race wasn't represented like no I was able to enjoy the cosby show when I was a kid there's like And identify and like the characters and stuff like that and I think it's vice versa. I mean So I'm concerned and all those old shows people were Fresh fresh Belair like oh, yeah, those were great shows. They were live Sanford and son is hilarious Why didn't he want me man? Well, you couldn't relate to his issues because he's black So why is there this sudden mindset that unless you have you know every single Gender on the endless list that is now being created being represented in video games People will not be able to have enjoy your investor or identify with characters and things like that Hasn't been the experience for all of media before this stuff started get more traction. So They only had black and yellow people in Simpsons How do you think how do you think I felt I couldn't connect to anyone? I'm not black and I'm not yellow. So yeah, what do I do? I just What am I supposed to feel there was some doggos in there though? You sound so pressed guys. I'm so sorry so pressed What's being thought coming from a woman? Thank you. I'm glad you could feel no feel the struggle Accidentally falling into the trap of trying to seriously debate people who claim Yeah, if you were on a stage with somebody Like us if you were in a call with people like us you'd get fucking destroyed Well, because you you go through all the arguments you under this video until he finally says it doesn't matter that we're like So why are you here? Yeah, like you could convince us if you had arguments and evidence and things But isn't this proof like he's just dishonestly debating people quote-unquote debating for views isn't yeah Yeah, this is yeah with this test to me Yeah, you're not he's not debating sitting there alone in his screen screen room Like you're not doing it and if you do consider this a debate You should treat it a little bit more seriously because you're not going to convince anybody Give a if you are going to convince them with these kinds of arguments then they could probably be I'm not scared of things that are different. Mr. Sterling. I am annoyed at things that are bad You feel the monologues I missed that. Did he actually say that people are afraid of things that are different? Yeah, he said that Yeah, could you get it back more? I'll like probably dial it back a bit Oh, geez. Oh god. He's trying to get is he trying to get to sympathize with him after he called this terrible horrible shitty I'm very interested in this particular quote because it's kind of a fuck But actually don't give a fuck. They're just very scared of things that are different That's the thing. You've just reduced their whole position down to that and that's not true at all All right So what what does he think people are scared of exactly? Things that are different Lady they can't talk to Anything that is different in any way no matter how minuscule is just unacceptable Just afraid that other people on the planet do not share his precise political opinions. That's it Interesting And that's why they don't thank god for me Even though they should go and thanks god for the very least they should thank god that joll died because he was shit We did it why joll is a pretty incredible character and why he's very very beloved and why joll did nothing wrong at the end of the last of us Yeah, he made absolutely made the correct call It's a very juvenile kind of Um, the ending is brilliant The ending of the first game is so good I think weekend warrior is right. I think this might be On the part of jim an attempt just to attract views. Yeah, I think he hates He hates joll and he hates the last of us See, I don't know last of us too I think he actually thinks I don't I think he actually thinks joll is a bad character, but is purposely trolling it and etc Like me and christmas in halloween like in reality No, actually screw halloween. Um, how dare you? Halloween is kind of like a bad christmas Yeah, it's like oh, I could dress up for four hours and get some candies Easily the best No, no, it's not guys. It's time to accept the fact That you are denying the existence of christmas because you like halloween Christmas is welcome to exist Exactly. I'm not denying the existence of christmas. I'm just saying halloween is better. Mm-hmm Sounds like a bigot argument to me You're liking halloween makes me a bigot. That's so be it grasp of reality there Let's be in the ring. Let's fight Oh I don't want to debate with bigots Wow Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, you gotta do it. Yeah. Um, there it is I don't do any bigots Wait, let's chat. How long have we got you for by the way? I'll I am actually reaching you at the end. It's um nearly 5 30 in the morning for me. Damn it Yeah, I'm all yeah, I'll just finish also this video and so like are we done with jim? Yes. Yes. We are done with jim like Thank god. Are we gonna shout at we seen you on the back end or uh? Yeah, you like uh, I'll I'll have I'll have a nap, you know I'll take a leaf out of aiden's book and uh and come back all the stronger No problem. We'll be here for a while Stop it. Don't bully me. Oh, oh god. Oh, no the doctor at this is Oh Having a bit of a meme We got static Yeah It's 30 right now. How can you stay up this late? I I'm so tired PM. Yeah, that's a late time to stay It's so late. Oh really I'm it's like 3 a.m. Where I am 3 30 Wait a minute. Have you had lots of martinis? Sorry more or not because you guys still have a long ways to go Yeah, we're running out. Yeah, we've got about uh, we got about 24 hours to go Yeah, six. We did six and a half in one video. Oh, yeah Golly, the gym section is that long? Jesus Christ. Well, Jim is Jim is uh, he is Thick with content. We'll say that Oh, he's a thick boy. You got me you can keep me for about four hours. Then I have to sleep Oh, I was gonna say you're welcome to You can go and recharge a sleeve or whatever you want to do Um, yeah, we can worry early. It was he's he's my bestie. Oh, oh, yeah Bye to sensei. Hi I think I'll be able to come back Yeah, I think guys I'll be out of Your weebri is scaring away shad Isn't that french Yeah, yeah, this is a shame for a display I think I will be back for the home stretch so for the last maybe so The the bread bong back for the home stretch, uh, I'll be here. I'm in island in the uk, but I'll be island so They're all islands Oil islands. I heard ireland my bad. No I was in ireland. I'd be dead dude Why why would you be dead though? Oh All right guys everyone I will uh farewell. I will see you later. Um, stay strong mullin rags. You can do it I believe in you burritos every day I'll watch your little video shad burrito strong. Yes. Watch the flio. It sucks. Thank you Okay, I think I'll also Hop out here my guys, but I I'll probably be back I believe in you. I didn't I believe in you You and me need to do something together at some point Hell yeah Hell yeah Uh guys when I wake up you'll probably still be on air So I'll see you guys later. Yeah. Yes, you're on dude Okay, I'll find out the next video konichi. Oh yes to me. Oh yes to me. Oh my god. He's fucking. What's to you? Bye guys Uh Tora, Tora, Tora Hello mark letters from iwo jima The last samurai I'm back, baby. Just Sorry, he managed to get back in I got I did everything I could to keep him out guys. I'm sorry I did all of the things Mel's a cool guy. He's crying right now. Look what you did by saying he's cool. You upset him All the sweetness I think he's okay. Yes. He's all right. He's all right. That metal dude I Can't speak in japanese about it bringing in some kind of huge controversy No, there's no it's not wrong It's nothing unusual about anything that's happening here. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I got confused because I kind of thought we're gonna speak in japanese back to me and then I got confused Honestly, the most unusual thing is probably that I'm here. Hello everyone. Right. Yeah So you're actually the one I referenced earlier the the one who was like, hey vr is actually okay even Even for people who have difficulty moving conventionally. It's like so Um, yeah, it's been it's been a year since you had to provide that counter. How do you how do you feel exactly? Yeah Yeah, um for I guess if anyone and I was um, they're kind of lost on that I sent muller a video after jim sterling was like, yeah vr is privileged goggles And they're only for the absolutely able bodied and I'm an amputee who like I lost my leg in 2017 And I bought myself an htc vibes when I got my prosthetic specifically to be able to train myself to do things like Move in the directions and dodge bullets and stuff plan robo recall Hey While you're dodging bullets, they're committing a hate crime I don't want to be a little bit too weird But there um are a lot of people who would like to do a lot of research with you Who I am I am in and will pay you to do research with you. Oh my god. I'm doubling Contact me after the stream I will send you as the person who will want to do research with you You want to stick this leg nub in your what? Every single time in the last few years that I started dating a new girl All my friends can say is what are you doing with the stump with her? I'm just like, oh god. No, that would hurt me Been trying to study um people who have disabilities in different ways whether it be More natural or unnatural whatever it is disabilities and we are so so wanting to get people to Complete our studies. It is insane. So I will actually give you a study where you can probably make some money Uh and get free cash That sounds good to me. I'm in canada No, not at all a problem. I will give you some money my dude Oh, yeah on my favorite podcast for like two minutes and already aiden paladin's given me money Yeah, but I guess for anyone else who doesn't know me I work for geeks and gamers. I make gaming videos on the gaming with geeks channel Primarily, that's kind of like the the gaming specific sub brand geeks and gamers So that's sort of how I ended up here. I suppose Hmm good to have you sad And to add nifat mean my newest video is a review of horizon zero dawn on pc So in case anyone didn't know horizon zero dawn is coming to pc. Oh, we're aware of that We've been told about a thousand times across the two years Think about horizon zero dawn. I haven't played it. I don't have a plate it. Is it any good? I don't know I have no idea that's why i'm asking you dudes The port has some issues, but ultimately it still runs a lot better than it does on a ps4 So like if you had the option to play on ps4 or on pc, I'd still say go for it on pc Oh, yeah, I'll take a padboard on pc Any day, absolutely The mouse keyboard controls are really good to the point that I didn't I was actually like able to Fix the fact that I experienced a glitch where the sort of bullet time like slowing down time to aim mode Wasn't working for me at all But the mouse aim kind of made it so it didn't really matter and I didn't need to slow things down Knock things off the dinosaurs because I wasn't aiming with a controller You know when I was way back when max pain 3 came out I I was still playing on the xbox at the time And I I didn't finish the game because of how Frustrating it it is to aim at things because that is a very that's a game that relies for those who don't know I'm basically headshots headshots headshots all the time And and that's how you want to play the game a lot of precision work is involved And I never finished it because it wasn't fun to play and when I got it on pc, man Some of the most fun I've ever had in the shooter Yeah, you guys want to help me try to convince jeremy from geeks and gamers to like learn how to aim with the keyboard And mouse because he's always talking about how titanfall 2 is his favorite game But he always wants me to play it on a ps4 and I'm like Playing titanfall 2 on a controller tell him that please Oh my god What does that thing run at 30? No, it's not 60 The same guys who made the call of duty games are now initially so they're uh, they're all about the 60 frames a second God, I'm glad Geez, it's not unplayable on ps4. I'm just not very good Like especially now I've been playing on pc almost exclusively for like the last three years straight and I'm really decent at Most keyboard aiming terrible at aiming a first person shooter with a controller though Also, hello cynic snacks, how'd you do? Hello there. I'm all right. It's been a man. It feels like it's been ages. When'd you last come on you fab? I don't remember finally get an italian on well over a year ago. I'd say Damn, were you all 50? Uh, yes, I was yeah, oh there you go. That'll probably be the last time. Yeah It's been a year since enix drown. It's crazy. I think oh, oh, jesus christ I Just calm down Well the next the next thing we got to cover. Oh, yeah, does everyone want to just make sure they got that uh, they're in the room We got a lot of dead accounts in the room now. I'm probably gonna restart it eventually, but but now There's so much memeage. I need to scroll up. Oh, I reposted it as the bomb. Um, oh god damn it Oh So our next video on the plate if you will uh, it's gonna be something we've been asked to go for a while And I just you know, I don't know what to expect. It's it's a ranking of every star wars movie done by Oh my goodness, you know him. You love him. Oh, it's it's by the heat Oh We are going to ring all of the star wars films canonically, but we're gonna go worst to best worst to best I know we already know what the best one is, but we'll start worst to best Do we I guess He's referencing empire, right? I hope so. We saw that the other day and it goes up really well Let's let's hope you this one. This is this is Ben Shapiro. We're talking about I would rely on him to do anything What is um, we'll do this Can can you live shit? Please stop for a second and recognize the high IQ level The adventure here I've always wanted to see a high IQ level ranking the star wars movie That's the thing He's got such a massive galaxy brain that I couldn't even predict the outcome of this Well, yeah, what what what game do you want to play with this? Should we have our own list competing with him or should we just try and guess what his list would be? I'm okay every well. Yeah, let me open up a word document Let me open up my uh, I will make a list of what I believe his are and I'll see if they match afterward In fact, I will post it just to make let me scroll. He's doing a lot of what is everyone notes here and how Mandalorian is shit What is everyone's number one star wars movie and is this just the saga? It's not so I think this includes the nine mainline movies plus solo plus rogue one. I think that's what we're working with Okay, all right, uh from best to worst. I'm gonna think he thinks that All right, I'm just gonna make my list and then I'll uh I mean, what's everyone's pick for worst? Let's just have some fun with this. I guess, uh, the rise of skywalker Anything from the sequel trilogy Did more damage, but I think rise of skywalker is probably a worse movie. I would agree. I think I don't even know Would you agree that tfa is probably the one that does the most damage though? Moller remember we did that poll that one time right after tross came out and it was 50 50 on the dot Whether last night or trot was worse. Let's put chat against ben Shapiro. We'll make a straw poll And it'll be vote for multiple. You just got to vote for well the worst I guess but you can pick like and then it should level out to find out which ones are the top and worst, right? I find it. Yeah, we need to redo the poll. No, I'm gonna do a poll for the whole set Okay. Yeah, we do that do that do that. Yeah, it's it's really difficult to try and think about How bad they are in comparison to each other at the same time. So I often like to think which one would I prefer to watch right now out of them and I'm still like fucking stuck I feel like how do I make that? Is it because it's not straw poll, right? What's a what's a poll where you can like pick the order if you know what I mean like like order Well, let me ask you this All you got to do is just list the nine movies say vote for which one's the best and then that will rank them But I feel like with our audience especially what you'll get is Is zero zero zero in everything except for like surely we've got I mean, how many people do we have watching fuck 6,300 people watching so surely well, I think it'd be more interesting if they they were told to order them in quality And then they could get an average. I don't know if we can get anything to do that Yeah, that could work. Um, I guess if anyone in chat knows a good system to do that in Like straw poll like the top three or A top google polls Yeah, give that a shot while I'm making my list here because this is gonna be my list and we'll see how this ranks up to his So are we ruling out attack of the clones? Oh, well, I mean, this is the interesting part, right? Because Some people will be like no, that one's the best. No, that one is no that one is like I don't know how to That one's the worst like what which one the worst one is will probably be split across a lot of people Yeah straw poll is all I know You can make a google form I don't I don't I don't think I've ever done that before like I don't I don't know how it works I feel like it's going to be a lot more time consuming than just making a straw poll to like start adding I don't know the different Maybe would it be interesting to do a straw poll if we knock out the ot and then it's like pick the worst Yeah, that would be Most that would be the quickest way. I think well, I guess at that point it makes no difference if we keep it, right? For what about four separate polls otc equal trilogy Prequel trilogy and but then we can't compare them Is Someone in discord is making one if someone if one of the generous members of public are able to Generate what I'm talking about go for it because I really I don't know how to do it What I'm looking for is a poll Where you guys get to choose Like what like you order them and then submit and then every one of the 6,000 potential people do it and then we get to see an averaged out where everything ranks and then we'll compare that to Ben Shapiro's All this effort all this effort to see if we compare to Ben Shapiro's opinion It's important that we compare to Ben Shapiro Statistics your thing can't can't you help us with this? What? Yeah, what I'm a little bit confused. So What do you want to know about Ben Shapiro's? We're talking about star wars We're talking about Ben Shapiro or as we call them a Jew hope Wow Wow. Wow, that sounds very racist to me and I don't know if I can I don't know if I'll be able to You okay All right, I I think I think I'm picking up what you're sitting down there I can't do the meme. I'm sorry but if you want to dunk on Ben Shapiro in terms of just his Demographic inconsistencies and inaccuracies I could probably do that like he doesn't rank the star wars movies like a real Jew does What does what do you mean? What are you talking about? Okay, I was just trying to figure out This is my problem. I can't see anything with us Oh, you don't You don't like the Jewish people. I can't say shit With Ben Shapiro, I don't necessarily Agree with his man. I'm just interested in his stars rank things to be honest with you. Yeah, that's right. I want to know Or be so happy That people can agree with you with having to bring in some kind of Weird fucking goddamn religious. Oh, shit All right, okay, I don't know how much that will factor into his star wars rank is I'm wondering though, what you want me to say about Ben Shapiro? That was the wrong question Do you think his Jewishness at all plays a part in his ranking of these movies? Obviously, but I can't Which I think you'll find a way star wars movie speaks the most to him as a Jew. Do you think? Okay, so I found this thing called rankum I think it would be the last Jedi because that's like the Holocaust of star wars movies Rankum one two three kinder does the thing I'm looking for Yeah What happens somebody will say whatever I said was anti-semitic so And by the way, that was me But all of y'all guys people will say that was anti-semitic. So Y'all just kind of have to deal with that shit That's all right. We're not no one said anything. No one said anything negative. Yeah, the user All right, we can they're fine. I'm trying to make a poll at the same time. We can do that fun little movie ranking game Together we can all vote. So that'll that'll be a thing. Just give me a second with this with other poll thing Fine I'm just trying to have like a decent ass shit While I'm not trying to deal with being called the Holocaust denier for five Uh, because that's very difficult for me because if you don't know I call the Holocaust denier Like five times a day. So Oh Sounds pretty gay and annoying Sound gay All right, let me give these written attack of the clones I feel like I'm very closely aligned with the list that rags is put forth Yeah, I'm I'm not set in stone on this I think a couple of them move up and down depending on how I'm feeling at the time I feel if you asked me a week from now to make this list again, it might be a little different But I'm pretty I'm pretty secure on the bottom one two three four five. I'm really only Maybe three four and five are really the only ones that I That get the leeway one and two are super secure and all the bottom ones from You know after five are pretty I I don't think those will ever change Hmm Is this list based on what you feel are the objective best movies or your personal favorites a bit of both a bit of both kind of um, if I was going to be objective, um Good I think that's probably what puts rogue one above return of the Jedi But I would rather watch return of the Jedi. So Yeah, I think the return of the Jedi is really high up for me, but I completely acknowledge it as a subjective I just like that movie. Yeah, it has problem I like it too much, but it's got some real Issues objectively in terms of like what the fuck happens and things Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with that at all The movie's position within the overall story that kind of gives return the Jedi a bit of a leg up over rogue one um because This is more This is more for me objective when I had to compare the two because I originally I had them swapped around and then I changed them because Rogue one for how boring and dull it is I don't think it has Then I'm operating a lot from memory. So I may be wrong Which is why these ones I've you know, I will go back and forth on but I feel like rogue one has less objective issues And more than it's just a dull unfun Movie with characters. I don't care about like I would not want to rewatch all of rogue one at all But I would definitely watch return of the Jedi Even though I think that technically rogue one is more solid objectively um But it's I'd have to rewatch it again because I my memory banks on that one are very weak these days It's also you kind of have to Factor in the time in which the movies were made and how they compare to other movies at that time Do do this, okay But do it like this provided by Kara. So thank you for that. Um, just do it relatively quickly And then while everybody's filling that in in the audience We will do the game one on screen and people probably find that pretty engaging until they all get to vote So one moment. I will spam it in the chat for you In the audience, we will do my promise. I haven't seen the original ones and like a million years. So I don't even know Just hit that and you get to vote Just try it's a little awkward You have to try and figure out your own sort of thing and then put it into the thing But you know and then we'll be able to get some results And uh, if any mods are around, please repeat that uh that link every once in a while if you can Uh, just realized as well you can put all of them as the worst Yeah Obviously, if yeah, if you play it Like you know, reasonably then we'll get some interesting results if you play it goofily that yeah, it's not gonna help Yeah, please please be honest with this We're legitimately curious how they stack up and it would be a good interesting thing to kind of use for the future So please do answer these earnestly Actually, and if you give me the data raw data, I can do any kind of analysis you want Also All right, here we go So if you guys if you want to be able to see what's happening on screen I can just describe it to you But if you pull up my the streamer you'll you'll be able to see it We're playing a little ranking game. We might do this for the mcu later as well, but oh that one So solo or the rise of skywalker, which is better Uh, I haven't seen solo So I think solo is better. I think solo is better. Yep. I think we all agree solo wins that one So easy last Jedi or rogue one rogue one Rogue one is way better than the last Jedi Revenge of the Sith or the force awakens revenge of the sith Yeah easily Phantom menace or attack of the clones Attack of the clones for me attack of the clones just edges it out. Oh no. I'm more phantom menace. I'm really yeah I think attack of the clones edges it out Which so we've got four votes for attack of the clones which means it wins, right? I will say those are super close. Yeah, I do think attack of the clones wins Yeah, don't don't take this too personally I'm just going to try and do it quicky so so so the average out if it's four to two at the very most then Attack the clones wins return of the Jedi versus empire strikes back empire empire wins Rise of skywalker is the new hope a new Those even those names when I hear them are kind of ironic it starts off with a new hope and now we're just hopeless and upset A new hope versus solo is a new hope a new hope Last Jedi versus force awakens I've submitted my So the reason why I think I will probably pick force awakens and superiors because it didn't fucking annihilate luke skywalker Yes, yeah, I would agree with that. I did kind of destroy the world Um, it kind of destroyed Han Solo, but I mean this this one I really don't even know what's the objective choice between the three of them in the sequels because they're also fucking bad, but Yeah, for me, I would probably I would prefer to rewatch force awakens than the last Jedi last Jedi is miserable Yes, I would much rather watch tfa It looks like most people all right, uh rogue one versus force awakens Rogue one Just for the vacancy revenge of the sith versus rogue one Is this objective or subjective? Um, it's really just your vote. You can treat how you want rogue one versus revenge of the sith I I think rogue one's more objectively solid. I'd much rather watch revenge of the sith again I think I could make an objective argument for revenge of the sith over rogue one rogue one has like there's no characters The best character in it is k2so and he's adroit You say that as long as the characters aren't contradictory, uh, then there's not an objective problem with it I agree the character is a shit I would so much rather watch revenge of the sith. I would gladly watch revenge of the sith I would abstain on this one because I don't remember rogue one well enough Everyone there likes k2so. I think that revenge of the sith is kind of a shit movie Wait, so what's the votes looking like? Um, put me down for fuck, uh, put me down for I just to be consistent with the rest put it in with put rogue one for me. All right and mel I'll say rogue one. Oh shit mark Mainly because I remember I'm holding strong on revenge of the sith for this one Wait, so it's was this between rogue one and revenge of the sith. Yeah Uh, I'd probably rather watch rogue one and we already know why he didn't say it so rogue one wins Phantom man is return of the jedi and return of the jedi And again just to just to reiterate for chat I would I would I think rogue one's better objectively I would never want to watch it again. I would I would much rather watch revenge of the sith I think it's way more fun to watch Anonymous 100% dude. Like I I don't want to rewatch. Oh, he's a tough one attack of the clones or return of the jedi Oh Wait, I thought you were being serious for a second. I was like, what? Uh, I mean it's not gonna process that I was like, wait, why is that hard? This is an actual actual hard one last jedi. All right, this guy. We need to do this I think the last jedi is better than it's it hurts coming out of my mouth I would want to caution you the entire plot is garbage nonsense in tlj2. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. It's I hate them both in completely different ways and it's hard to pair like compare them I I guess I would put tlj on top But just because I don't even know how he could compare these two different files of shit Um, I'm not even sure honestly. Yeah, I know right well the first time we asked the poll it was 50 50 exactly Like I don't even know Tlj because there was a few things that when I first saw it if I didn't think about them They were fun like the throne room fights when you saw it down it starts falling apart. I can't think Awkward that I liked what about the watery fight where they fight with water isn't that cool? How cool is that? I I think my reaction my disappointed reaction was more audible when watching the rise of skywalker So if I'm gonna use that as a metric, that's I think I was laughing at that point Person in a straight jacket surely that's partly to do with um The fact that you saw tl like because it broke everything The last year I ruined the world of star wars Well, here's the thing I felt it's it was so hard I didn't feel investment in the rise of skywalker, but I was still invested during tlj So it's almost like there was two different people watching those movies when they came out Which makes it hard to compare Then I could also put down the last jedi is the point where I stopped becoming a quote unquote star wars fan Yeah, I think a lot of people could say that as well. And so I went into the rise of skywalker not really giving a shit and just wanting it to be over But that's because of what tlj did. So I think that maybe that's the the worst I was I was harping while rome was burning when the rise of skywalker was playing in the theater It's I keep trying to think of like how to answer this question. It's like, which one would you prefer to watch? I'm like, I guess Rise of skywalker, yeah, because it's just a little bit more action pack I don't want to see luke get fucking Yeah horribly killed again. And there is technically more stupid dumb action Yeah, so I might be leaning rise of skywalker being better because I don't have to see luke skywalker attempting to murder his nephew Yeah, you could say that's a plus Yeah, oh god, then you do have to put up with stupid zombie palpatine guy Or at least he sounds like Again, at least he's evil evil fun Um, all right, my vote I'll go for I'll go for tross myself. Is that how is everyone else looking? Yeah, same. I'm gonna go with tross is worse. Uh, oh it hurts Wait, tross is worse Sorry, uh, what's everyone picking for the superior? Superior, uh, I think I know I feel uh Do we have to choose? Can we just not On the survey you can't select who for worst heads is tlj. Yeah is a skywalker. Oh, yeah Wait, who's sleeping right? Skywalker Today is wait today. It's rise of sky. Okay. Today. It's tross fine. Uh Uh tfa versus tross, I'm guessing we'll go with tfa Yeah, wake up wake up every day and flip a coin and I guess you know which one you hate more that day Yeah, I'm gonna say the force awakens. Don't ask me to justify it. Just roll with it. Let's move along force awakens versus solo So it was better. I'll go with solo. Yeah I'm seeing solo versus revenge of the sith Revenge of the sith Revenge of the sith for sure I would go with revenge of the sith for memory, but I kind of wouldn't even see as far as revenge of the sith for a solo Yeah Revenge of the sith Revenge of the sith for a new hope a new hope a new home better A new hope a rogue one a new hope a new hope. Yeah Last year i'll phantom menace phantom Yep I Wait, I thought even was like saying no to that you're saying no to that Nor nor what's the matchup? Oh the next one is phantom menace and rise of skywalker. Oh phantom menace is Phantom menace wins uh force awakens phantom menace phantom menace Phantom menace solo Phantom menace Um, so I've rather watched the phantom menace, but I think solo is the better movie I almost oh, yeah, I was always considering the reverse of that I feel like I'd rather watch solo because I find parts of phantom menace boring the Tatooine mainly while I could go with solo I'm phantom menace Um, if I'm oof I'm very this is this is a kind of territory thing. This is a tough one that I didn't think to to really match up So I think in a way the phantom menace also destroyed the world of star wars by turning what was mystical into just science Well, um midichlorians that's a whole thing everyone's still debating on midichlorians to this day like what exactly he meant in the uh Yeah in the film. I wish that scene was just deleted because then yeah It's just never mentioned again or referred to at any point by anyone It's just this weird anomaly and instead quaggon just sensed something about anakin instead of it being that he read his blood Yeah well, okay, but um To is could it also not be said that midichlorians are a result of the force in you and that they're like They're not the first step It's still in debate like to this day whether or not it makes sense or not Um, I think it's all made because that phantom menace seems like a movie That was made by a person who had a plan to make a movie whereas solo's kind of like a frankenstein monster of a few movies that Hey, you like this don't you? But but a frankenstein movie can still be better than someone with a bad plan I guess that's true But I would agree. I would agree. Um, I just can't use that as the quality determinant And I don't I think I think solo's better Yeah, I'd say solo's better and I would rather watch solo I would certainly rather watch it right now because I haven't seen solo since I feel like I watched it in cinema Like I feel like that's how long ago it was so That was what 2018 so yeah, I would way prefer to watch it because I watched phantom menace relatively recently Um, but I don't know how much that mattered. You know what this isn't taking it way too seriously I'm voting for solo and that can change tomorrow What we're taking our analysis of star wars too seriously What a bunch of infos are nerd like that. I'm voting for solo and that can change tomorrow. Okay Another coin toss what uh, wait rags went solo. I went solo. Well, how the rest are you looking phantom menace phantom menace These are movies about space children intended for wizards Yeah, does phantom menace wins? I'm a dick romancer. I think they do it solo actually Oh, shit, we've locked on three three gonna have to flip a coin I'll just change my mind. No, you are not allowed to change your mind pizza So heads is heads is solo tails is phantom menace. You trust me Tails, it's always tails with you Wait, sorry, which one was tails? Tails is phantom menace Revenge of the safe or phantom menace Revenge of the safe Revenge of the clones, I feel like the answer that's Revenge revenge revenge of the sith versus return of the jedi Return return of the jedi I would say return of the jedi even though it's pretty to me a lot of his spots. It's really good return of the jedi or rogue one That's the toughest one to me Yeah, so this structurally return of the jedi probably makes less sense um But payoff wise, you know, yeah Damn, this is a tough one Yeah, I'll be going for a turn of the jedi I um I ranked rogue one higher because I was trying to be objective, uh, but again, I would I would much rather watch return of the jedi again, so I kept my list consistent based on those parameters But you know, if this was a which one would you rather rewatch list then it would definitely be higher However, I think objectively rogue one is better But that's mostly because it doesn't have the same amount of big problems So return of the jedi was what we're going for That was my I I picked um, wait, is this between what again rogue one and one on return of the jedi I picked a turn of the I or sorry. I picked rogue one jedi jedi Mainly for everything to do with luke invader that kind of Thing that's yeah I was just going word. Yeah, uh Snacks and aiden where were you going? um Return of the jedi for me Yeah, based on what I'd rather watch return of the jedi which yeah, by the way This is clearly a really good poll because we go from what we think is actually constructively the best versus what we prefer the most This is what we'd like to watch right now. That's the three things and keep going Yeah, I definitely Because when you can't really determine Between the two you just have that that's the only thing I can go go to to get a quick In fact, I think I might swap those two um Yeah, I think I'm going to swap those two. I'm going to go with return of the jedi It's just kind of as a rule. I would just prefer the the original trilogy over any other star wars stuff So just always ends up being that way a new hope this is a lot of return of the jedi New hope New hope is so good empire versus a new hope Uh empire. Yeah empire for me empire empire All right, we have our results Um, and we can compare them with the efab fandom results based on 1150 answers apparently we're dealing with We both have the same number one both of the same number two both of the same number three We we have rogue one. They have revenge of the sith Then we have revenge of the sith and they have phantom menace Then eyes Uh, we have attack of the clones Then they have attack of the clones as well Interesting. Then they have rogue one. Then we have solo They have force awakens. We have force awakens. They have solo Sorry. Yeah, those those are just uh Flipped um, but funnily enough both lists and with the rise of skywalker in the last jedi Um, yeah, it looks like solo ranked below force awakens for the efaptum Force awakens is really bad guys Yeah I don't know if they've been paying keeping up with like your videos and yeah discussions We've been having about it. I got like 12 hours of riffing it apart so far. Do we need halfway? Yeah, the forced awakens is like what I would Probably call a fundamentally broken movie not that solo is some kind of day. Yeah solo. It's not great Like you'll need to understand some of these decisions are based off of how shitty the other option is Yeah Um, all right, so what we'll do is I'll have Those two yeah, how does that how does that line up with um the deaths of characters? And do you reckon that has a massive impact on people's opinions of the movies? Just so you guys know that's that's our list. I just posted in there and then uh, efapt's list. Let me get that one as well Character death I assume factors in but I think we were all trying to be like What is the actual best movie of these two or at least that's what I was trying to if I just mean about your unconscious feelings towards the film It must have a bit of an impact on oh, certainly and I think that's why I kind of um All right, I guess it wasn't a character death But why is eventually conceded to rise to Skywalker being better than last Jedi? I was like well at least I don't have to be luke almost murder his nephew. Yeah I feel like the list we got a pretty pretty good the the hours and efapt's, you know You could I think that there's room to breathe. It's very it's going to be curious what uh what bends is Which we're about to um, oh, yeah I forgot that we need to find out what this fucking idiot knows Star Wars film phantom menace Charting in at number 11. Now. I know a lot of people think attack of the clones goes here You're gonna be shocked where I put attack at the clones a lot of people say last week. Hang on Is he starting from the bottom? Yeah, that's his worst. He thinks phantom menace is the worst He thinks that the phantom menace is okay. I didn't think we'd get blown away immediately, but Yeah, wow Like I it's not so shockingly horrible that I don't like it's still a really bad pick I feel if I was forced into debating that point. I could I don't think I could I was about to say what we got we got phantom menace is number five and number seven on the other lists So average it out to a six out of 11 and he's put it at number 11 That's uh dolly Has he not seen the rise of skywalker? I mean let's An old time star wars fan or is he a newcomer? Well, I know he hates I know he hates the last jedi because he made a video about how much he hated it so I'm assuming Like it won't be that he hates all the prequels and then the sequels it'll like i'm assuming last jedi's got a finia somewhere But hey, we got rationalizations. It's a 16 minute video. So he's got to say something Jedi I hear you. I hear you last jedi is hot garbage. It's a terrible film a truly terrible film filled with plot holes and stupidity phantom menace however Is worse the reason that phantom menace is worse is because George lucas makes a critical error He thinks that the reason that kids like star wars is because they want to see kids This is one of the big errors that a lot of people who make kids films Do and pixar doesn't make this error by the way um To be fair anakin does suck But like I don't know yeah anakin That's not because he's a kid. That's because yeah It's because he's written to be shit and his lines are horrible and his actors bad Like there's way more adults in the film than kids. We don't know I think there is some uh, I don't think it's entirely that I think that bad kid characters make people dislike them, right? So bad kid character characters are not good. However, um It does kind of put a film at an inherent disadvantage when you start out with only kid characters, right? so Kid characters are kind of inherently Dislikeable, but it didn't it didn't start us off with kid characters I don't know. I don't agree with that. Kid characters are inherently dislikeable. What? Okay, does an anakin only show up like an hour and yeah, I like newt. What about fucking stranger things? A lot of a lot of kid characters are very dislikeable Uh, I sure the kids Not never case, but a lot of kid characters are dislikeable because um, they tend to Kevin McAllister Yeah, I like Kevin Rich Evans the fact is Rich Evans That makes them annoying isn't that they're kids though It's gonna be something else because there's loads that we like that are kids. It's like Basically, it's the idea that uh, it's when people have Uh, low agency, but then Obtain high agency via their Whatever perspective they're laid in right, which oftentimes is displayed by kid characters if that makes sense So it basically what I'm saying is that you have characters that are said they're not supposed to be able to do things But then they can and then whoa we it's really um, that that's That can be frustrating By characters that are kids. Uh, it can be fun, but it can also be annoying, right? That's all I have to say What about characters that are um, completely impossibly perfect? We're that's obviously irritated and everyone hates that But that's my point with the kid characters, right? Is that many people dislike good characters because kid characters Have a problem with being flawed in that it's difficult for somebody to write kid characters that are flawed because they don't want to write A child as being a flawed character. So you always end up with this I'm not always but very frequently end up with this character that is kind of perfect and They're just in a shitty situation It's difficult to move out of it, right? So, um There are some stories that do it well and many other stories that do it poorly And it's basically based on the author Hmm I mean, I would Bender there's some good good kid protagonists there that are well loved. I mean not by moeller, but Wow Well, I mean that would only bolster my point. Anyway, the the like, yeah The common fact is going to be something other than they are kids It's going to be something else like uh, if if you dislike or like them because I would say it's pretty neutral Like it's a child character. Will you like them? It's like, I don't know Depends, right exactly. There's kind of like a a pre perception A preception in culture that because a child or because a character is a child You're supposed to like them and that's so stupid and and not good for character development because There's so many terrible terrible child of characters Well, if you would if it was like the problem with phantom menace is children. I'd be like, uh Sure. Yeah, that I think because they're children It doesn't help because when children are annoying, they're extra annoying But when adults are annoying, you're just like, that's an annoying adult. We go to with jaja Yeah, what about weird CGI aliens? Right Sorry, go ahead. I didn't say that like just because an adult is annoying doesn't preclude the fact that a Not that that a non-adult cannot be annoying I just think that a big problem of the phantom menace more than any other Any other specific movie in the star war series is that there are both adults and non-adults that are really really irritating in that film and that carries on throughout the series But it doesn't feel like a strong enough point to be able to say that the phantom menace is the worst because children No, I don't agree. It's obviously the point that sets that movie apart from all of the other movies But I don't think it's necessarily weighty enough to say that that makes it the worst No, I wouldn't agree with that either, but i'm just saying that it It's a hard movie to get over if you just don't like child actors Which has nothing to do with disliking children or disliking kids or hating kids or whatever But let's be real kid actors Are very rarely good When they're good, it's impressive rather than yeah, what you'd expect But at the same time the point I was gonna make is I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Mangoonies would have been a good movie if it wasn't kids in it If you make a good movie that stars kids It has to be so specifically based around that premise, which I don't think that the phantom menace would be based around I see what you're saying It's like a child oriented story and an idea like a coming of age type beat Yeah, whereas this just happens to be like a kind of a grown-up story that has an annoying kid in it Right, which I think makes it annoying to adults when they watch it. Yeah, unfortunately I think it's probably a decent film if you cut all that stuff out of it But unfortunately you you can't remove The annoying child parts from it. That's the thing when I remember when I first watched the phantom menace in the cinema I really enjoyed it. I liked Anakin. I didn't have any problems with it. But then I was a stupid child Since I have stopped being a stupid child and re-watched it. I've realized how bad it is now that I am a pizza Yeah So, I mean, I'm 30 so like I'm probably considerably older than you 29 pulling the age card I'm just I I don't know because when I saw the when I saw the phantom menace I think I was 12 or something like that theaters. I'm trying to remember But I was enough to know better I was in high school when I saw phantom menace 14 15, I think maybe what was your first what was your first take on it I actually pretty much me and everyone that I want to go see it with really loved phantom menace the first time We saw but I think that a lot of that might have been like we had never seen special effects like that Yeah, really? Yeah, people didn't really turn around on phantom menace until like maybe a year later And then the same thing happened with the tag of the clones seemed like everyone People were like no, it's even worse than phantom menace I distinctly remember leaving the cinema with my dad and he was a big star wars fan And he was the one who got me into it much like most people And I remember walking out the cinema being like wow, that was awesome and my dad was like that was shit That was my experience as well where I thought it was cool My dad was a huge truckie and he hated it He first of all didn't want to see the movie in the first place and he's like I hate this I hate star wars and I want to see this. I like star trek. I hate starboard Okay Oh my god, I tried to say something in the book and I fucked it up, but No one would have noticed in this No, I I'm very I'm sorry is what My dad was a big truckie and took me to see the film when I was like, I guess 12 13 I I didn't like it and he didn't like it and we both kind of just went Are we supposed to like this movie? Um, it was a very weird experience for me. I guess and that we In that I had never seen any star wars movies and my dad rented all the star wars movies for us to watch in a row And I didn't really get into any of them. So you you didn't buy a jar jar binks action figure after you saw the movie No, I didn't I I was a truckie. I was always a truckie. I was always better than that. I'm afraid No, I was always a truckie. I was always a truckie and I I didn't understand star wars star wars I I still don't quite understand it. It's never been my Particularly, um Hello, all right And that is the end of what I think I was I thought my internet died again was like When I see it I like good star wars movies, but I don't like but the bad ones just fly right over my head I guess is the point well, um I guess we go back to Ben Shapiro and hillhouse I was supposed to mention hillhouse kids as well. They're amazing and they're super young. Oh, yeah Um, so yeah, you know him him bring up, uh kids is like what but anyway, let's let's let's hear more about why the vat Abed is a baptism Pixar does exclusively about small children kids don't actually want to watch kids kids kind of want to be adults making Jedi Anakin Six years old is really weird and then making Jedi Anakin significantly younger than Padme is super duper weird and Becomes even weirder So he's um This is this weird fucking set of comments about this, right? So Padme age Hurry defaults to fucking phantom men is 14 Anakin age in phantom menis nine, right Uh nine, so five year difference. Yeah, it's not a big deal. That's completely normal. Uh, it's a little bit weird guys Well, hang on it would be weird then but it's not once they're older and people like like to be like Oh, it's such a weird movie because like she's preying on it when he's so yeah, it's like there's no sexual shit in the first one Okay, they just meet each other Yeah, I agree. There's nothing weird in the first couple films. Um, well, I don't know The later films it doesn't They were in the same room once you ever do they hug No, I don't even think they're any way near each other Yeah, so I don't know I don't think that I think the if there could have been a sexual relationship when she was 15 and he was five or whatever because that I believe is The the generational difference that would have been really weird and creepy, but it's mostly really 15 and really Okay, when those same people are like 24 and 19 Like why are we even discussing this? It's so irrelevant from anything. Why is he brought this up as a critique? Because a lot of people do they love people like Oh, you know, I don't like that's because the creepy age difference between the two people who are not actually doing anything Romantic whatsoever. I feel like oh, well moller. Remember in that case What about the creepy age difference between Qui-Gon, Jin and Anakin like they spend far more time together But they're not romantically There is You want to hear the creepy age difference between me and my father? Like uh weird And that's why I hate my life Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I do find that the relationship is a little bit But this isn't a phantom minute thing. This is a clone wars thing. Yeah, exactly By that point it's it's more understandable Because they don't have like a relationship in the phantom minutes. They like talk very briefly That's one of our problems with the clone wars is that they almost like This weird fascination it turns out that he's had with this one person is weird How is it built up? How long is the age difference between Anakin and Padme in Five years. It's always going to be five years. They age at the same rate five years No, I didn't I didn't know but um I think that it's a little bit dependent on how old the person is a little bit, but it's not It's a little odd. Let's just be real. It's a little odd Just a little they they are two people that exist in the same universe and they happen to have different ages I think that a five-year difference between people that are 10 and 15 is That's the clone wars instead of yeah, but they're not romantically involved so it doesn't I agree, but I'm saying that like When they become of age, it's not that weird but In the pre-age You know 10 to 15 Area, it's a little bit creepy. That's just my opinion. You could disagree obviously But what's creepy Someone being 10 and someone being 15 10 and 15 sure, but they're not romantically involved when they're 10 and 15 There's some implication for it, but like where is the like where the most the most that allows that you can say Anakin might have had a crush on it, but Again, that's Young boys have crushes on older chicks because they're just innocent Like that and they just have crushes on girls I get so I guess I get I'm not trying to like do anything kind of crazy here But I he clearly has a crush on her from the first film. I don't think clearly. I don't think it's clear Well, I don't remember the scene where he's trying to shield his boner or fucking Nothing happens nothing happens to imply any kind of relationship or any kind of sexual interest But you just like it's in the first film you think she's I think I you could think someone's cute without having a sexual Or romantic interest in them like I can look at a baby is like yeah, baby's cute. That's a cute baby I like animals and be like, yeah, that's a cute guinea pig I agree But I do think that that it was set up very early for there to be a sexual relationship between those characters because and I'm not saying Don't take me in the wrong way The story was set up to make a sexual relationship between these characters And that's why it doesn't work is because it was set up Prima feishi to to be like these characters have a sexual relationship rather than working towards Building a sexual relationship between different characters. I agree. It's definitely not like built up But I think if I was going to go with it So because people are referencing the whole the first thing he says to her he asks Are you an angel and then he explains why? But I would hardly say that that means that he has a definitive Isn't it because he's heard stories of pilots? Yeah, see angels or whatever Even if even if he has is romantically interested in her that doesn't matter either because it because he's nine Whereas she It would be like, yeah, that's fucked up, but she's Young young boys can absolutely think they have because a nine-year-old doesn't know what love and attraction they like they don't grasp those concepts But don't they're only kind of weird and creepy when no, I don't think it's weird and creepy And I don't think that it's weird and creepy enough to use that as a criticism against the movie either Because it's just such an irrelevant point No, I'm talking about Ben Shapiro Oh I don't find it as a criticism against the film, but I do think that it is okay. All right Um, are bullies attracted to women from a young age? Obviously. Yes, obviously Obviously And let's go ahead No, I mean, that's fine and we should all be accepting of that and not be weird about it Um, however, I I do find it a little bit Uncomfortable when we display Attraction between prepubescent boys and prepubescent girls to me Well, let me let me say this About that is I was gonna say All of that everything that we see that could I think even be Generously construed as romantic is from Anakin to her. Yep. I don't think had made us anything The other way and if that was the case, I would be on board that it's super creepy Yeah, because that's predatory in a way. Yeah, however, because it's a nine-year-old boy He doesn't know anything about anything just basically even if we were gonna say that he had a romantic interest dinner It's from a nine-year-old boy Who doesn't know anything about relationships or love or lust or anything like that And then when anything romantic does occur It's obviously a not in this fucking movie and be later on in their lives when they're both consenting adults and it's fine So what's like there's I just don't see the issue. I think people are just Making an issue out of nothing Yeah In this movie I would be totally on board that that is not okay Yeah, but coming from a nine-year-old boy I don't think that it is to be taken in any Super deep sort of way other than just the kind of crushes that young boys have No, I would agree. I would agree that that his affections are are pretty pure and innocent But it does give off a kind of Let's be real weird Totalistic perspective in that it is weird to see a 12 or a nine-year-old and a 13-year-old hookup No one wants to see that Do that I know that's my point So why are we talking about it because my point is that no one of the things don't happen Loads of things don't happen in this movie. We can't like I don't understand Yeah, I I'm I'm very hesitant to jump to the To the creepy aspect. Um, I I yeah, I just don't think it's there. I think the fault lies with attack of the clones I I don't know. Um, my my only fear my only problem with the films in terms of the pedophilic aspect of it is that All right, I've clearly gone there, but if you want to go the pet of the potential pedophilic aspect Of the character relationships Let's be real. It could put a word born on the exact same day and that is gross and weird I wouldn't disagree that it's not possible I didn't say I didn't say at all that they weren't born the exact same day and that makes it wrong I'm just saying that people who might be into this stuff might be kind of weird. That's all Maybe but that's not a fault of the film Yeah No, I wouldn't blame it as a fault of the film, but I wouldn't okay Let me compare it to To file it's a fault of the film cuties that that pedophiles might watch that film and get excited by it I I don't know I I am Concerned about I think part of that is like because I think this is just what I've heard from Random comments, but apparently the film is supposed to be how about how that stuff is bad, but Netflix I'm Really Marketed it and described it in a really horrible way and so people got like they're they're picking up the wrong thing I don't know, but that's what I don't think that's a That's not like a fair equivalence either because the Phantom Menace wasn't marketed as having a sexy young boy in it No, I I don't think it's about Slave boy It's not about having a sexy young boy, but is it not about having kind of a sexy young girl? No, no one's sexy. Nobody in Phantom Menace is sexy. There's no sex Hey, there are sexy people It's a completely sexless movie It's a discussion of anything sexual regarding the Phantom Menace is so stupid and irrelevant Okay, I could be wrong. I could 100% be wrong, but I do not I think you're looking a little deep into it I think Ben Shapiro is looking a little deep into it. What I'll say in defense is this is a position a lot of people have I've heard it from a cut and like it does annoy me a little bit because Phantom Menace has its problems We're just like, oh come on. Leave the film alone. It didn't do any of that Yeah, because This is my initial gut reaction to this too because that had never even crossed my mind at any point Like this whole argument had never even entered my brain because it's just so completely Not irrelevant. Well, we're going to get called a pedophile 10 times a day Yeah, you understand this shit, but um, oh excuse me, but uh I Do you see how people would have an issue with it? Do it doesn't necessarily bother me? No But I could see how people have a problem with it. That's all I'm saying I could see where the problem exists doesn't bother me not personally But I could see where the problem exists, right I I understand what you're saying. I get Why people could see it that way and could pick up the vibes? I don't agree with them like I can agree that I can Understand why people would think that but I've been called a pedophile for thinking that that that this film is not A problem, right? I don't think it is either. Yeah, I think people who would go that far are crazy people who I've been called a pedophile for that So I'm just saying that that it's a thing that has happened and into deny it Whatever it just then happens people I think those people are crazy. That's the thing. We don't see the world as it is. We see the world as we are And that's all I have to say about that Well, I agree that you're I agree the film is is not so simply just pedophile or not pedophile But you're gonna get that kind of shit man Like you're gonna get the kind of criticism and the people will think you're a pedophile just because you don't think the film is pedophilic People are gonna think Someone is a pedophile because it didn't even cross their mind that that was Could be considered paid affiliate. It doesn't make any sense. I think I'm giving you a I'm just telling you I'm I'm just trying to give you a prescription of what will happen Are you sure you haven't done anything else to be like this? Yeah, people could say that sort of stuff, but those are crazy people. Um Yeah, you're gonna have they're gonna have to do way better than that. I've that's yeah We don't listen to those kinds of crazy folks But holy shit, man, it sounds like I've come to this an interesting time Uh, we I was gonna say we're gonna have to You've probably just got demonetized there more. Oh, I've several times already, dude I was gonna say we have to do some rotating. Um, we got we got more people flowing in and I'm afraid the the next two on the chopping block would probably be Aiden and mel mel once again I'm in one minute into the video. Well I can't do anything. There's too many people who want to come out all those selfish bastards Um, yeah, yeah, we just have to keep the the wheel of turning. Thank you very much for coming. Okay. Bye Oh Talk about unceremonious, man. I didn't boot it What the hell is everyone talking about in this video? Hey, what's going on? Oh, well apparently the Phantom Manus is the worst Star Wars movie. Let me say hi to uh, world-class bullshit as well. Hello Cassie's also here Hello world-class bullshitters. Yeah, mr. Jeff. I assume you're getting oh, he's he's fixing his stuff Okay. Um, well, yeah, so welcome to drinker and Jeff Gentlemen to catch you up. We're checking out Ben Shapiro ranking the star wars movies And he's chosen as the worst out of the nine mainline movies plus rogue one plus solo The phantom manus is the worst and one of his reasons is the creepy relationship between Anakin and Padme, which I think is unfair Okay, that's there you go Right We've got a lot to work with here Uh, oh, yeah, so let me repost the um the link actually I was just gonna say that how do you reframe the argument as it might have been better if they Had another movie to develop their relationship Like as two adults instead of having one where Anakin's a kid that might have been a better bet Then kid It kind of bothers me like between movies Anakin like ages about 10 years whereas Padme stays exactly the same But yeah, yeah, that's always bug to me. Yes Yeah I think that the mistake was if we're gonna redo stuff. I think the big mistake was having him be so Also watchable in um in the phantom menace. I don't think he should have been nine Like I I think it would have worked way better if he was older. Yeah, I agree But we have talked about that in our phantom menace videos There is uh, there is a there is a Shapiro that needs commenting upon So Jeff are you able to to discuss things? I see like yes, but yes, I am. Thanks for writing me by the way How would you do? Uh I guess I'm doing well. I live in california. So there's all kinds of crazy stuff going on We have a bunch of wildfires and then all the coven stuff. So Well You light on fire I just realized in my in my avatar rotation I've heard there's a lot of fires in that area, but they're not always natural if you catch my drift No, I don't know what you mean. No, no But not always natural. Oh like Yeah, oh no, sorry. I've meant peaceful protests Mostly I always get those things mixed up. Oh, I thought you man. There was a bunch of flamers in california. Oh Yeah, could be racist Yeah in my avatar rotation. I'm on like one of the top tier ones That's amazing Who drew that one? I don't actually know I've collected so many like I I didn't keep track of it My bad, but I love them all the same. Um, that looks like me after playing a break fluid. I know that's like why would you Guys, um, that reminds me of picto chat on the uh, oh the nintendo ds's Oh, that's all back. Good picto chat. Love it. That was some good shit Um So, yeah, I was gonna say, uh, all right We'll hang with this seven for a little bit and then when um when the next person's coming I think mel will have to abandon once again just to fill you see i'm abusing him using him to fill Wherever wherever I can because he's my bezzie. I mean, uh, uh, he's my toady Ego, that's the one I was looking for anyway You know what? Let's we'll roll we'll roll ben back all the way to before even gave the thing so that The i'll put it's like I want okay the worst to hear. I want to hear ben's big brain take on this shit star wars film phantom menace Charting in at number 11 Now I know a lot of people think attack on the clones goes here You're gonna be shocked where I put attack at the clones a lot of people say last jedi. I hear you I hear you last jedi is hot garbage. It's a terrible film a truly terrible film filled with plot holes and stupidity Phantom menace, however is worse the reason that phantom menace is worse is because George lucas makes a critical error He thinks that the reason that kids like star wars is because they want to see kids This is one of the big errors that a lot of people who make kids films Do and pixar doesn't make this error by the way pixar does not make films exclusively about small children Kids don't actually want to I kind of like how he had to search his head for a moment from where you Pixar do not make it exclusive about small children. It's like oh much like the phantom menace isn't exclusively about Yeah, because there's only one child character in there really and he's not introduced It's almost like you want to juxtapose the innocence of childhood versus like the horrifying monster that Darth Vader's eventually going to become So you can understand where he actually came from Of course, I think that was what they're going for that like how does a child turn into such a monster? And that's what the point of the prequels are It's like follow his life as he gets you know crafted into this Expected representation of the jedi and then he gets corrupted by an evil thought and it's like oh, okay But um, he's not even in the film in the first like 40 minutes It's like oh to these pesky films about children. He's like what do you mean? Yeah, I think he's overblowing Uh, the the presence of anakin in this movie whether that was a wise decision or not in terms of the storytelling aspect Is a discussion for another time, but he's not really in it all that much Even when he does enter the film He's sort of a secondary character at most the pod racing is sort of his big thing Like even the the space battle at the end that he's primarily involved in If that whole sequence is cutting between like three other battles Yeah Kind of sounds like he's going like what is the one thing They really didn't like and annoyed him so much. It's like just the worst film of all of them Yeah, I was gonna say if you get into the weeds like we got a lot to talk about phantom men It's but I mean you might might say something else, but that's what it sounds like right now Well, yeah, let's let's give it a let's give it a scene watch kids kids kind of want to be adults Making jedi anakin Six years old is really weird and then making jedi anakin significantly younger than padme is Super duper weird and becomes even weirder in the future movies Everything with young anakin is almost unwatchable. It's almost like he's exaggerating to prove a point. Yeah I would say that he's taken Like three weeks old Hey, I had a crush on padme when he was crowning inside outside of schmee Kind of weird While he was like floating around in the womb he was thinking about where he was gonna go eventually when he got here I want to get at least some of that bad man I'm a single parent. I'm glad she didn't abort anakin. Yeah, I think the system Hasn't necessarily failed her, but I feel like she could have done a little bit more Uh, you know, where is the father? I think really high up on my list because I'm happy about the fact that anakin and padme seem to have gotten married before they had sex That's the way you do it Well, I think shampere makes a good point though about kids don't want to watch other kids. They want to be treated like adults I think some of the most successful All the successful kids properties talk up like even if you want to bring up something like the goonies Which is clearly a kids movie the kids aren't framed as you know Oh, we're like the kids from it are framed a little older than they actually are They're dealing with adult situations Kids can project themselves onto adult characters perfectly easily. I mean you look at the original star wars trilogy They they saw themselves as luke skywalker. It didn't matter that he was 10 15 years older than they were They could picture themselves as him doing the things he did. That's what imaginations are. That's how they work You don't have to see someone you know, what's crazy You don't have to see with someone who's exactly the same like Age and race and gender and everything else as you because like normal people have imaginations And they can okay calm down other things Crazy how shit like that works, isn't it? I know it's weird like When I think back to seeing the fan of menace for the first time when I was when I was very young I didn't imagine myself as Anakin because that's fucking lame I was I was obi-wan and kwaigon and I was some of the guards shooting the droids and stuff like that and I wasn't That shit I was 10 years old when that movie came out and I couldn't stand him I like the obi-wan And I didn't really love the movie when it came out everyone that says you know that movie's made for kids I was one of those kids that I actually got out of star wars because of how much I disliked episode one when it came out Well Everyone joined you eventually Well, I was just more worried that people would see episode seven for what it actually is compared to one one in the hind In hindsight, it's not that offensive compared to what we got later on. Yeah um But yeah, kids do like to watch like fucking indiana jones, man It's like kids love indiana jones. It's not it was like, don't you know, he's 40 years older than you? It's like, um I don't really care. I'll take a whip at a hat Liam neeson is fine Yoon McGregor is fine. They are criminally underused in this film And the the film just is Exorbitantly long. It's really long. I remember seeing it in the theater being really excited for it and walking around Or potentially long, how are they underused like they're in practically every scene in the movie One is in the entire movie. Obi-Wan takes a pretty big break in the middle. Okay, so, um, let me pull it So a phantom menace is Like, uh, there's a list right here. Let me pull it out So a phantom menace is definitely not the longest. It's actually in the middle The films that are longer than the phantom menace are the force awakens by two minutes Revenge of the sith by four minutes Attack of the clones by six minutes the last jedi By 16 minutes and the rise of skywalker by 19 minutes So the rise of this. Oh, it says So, oh, so this means rise of skywalker the longest is longer than the shortest one a new hope by 34 minutes It's too much star worth and yet It's 34 minutes of the sith like guys aboard those star destroyers trying to figure out how to go up It's funny though because I do hope feels larger to be in retrospect. It's just like That's what happens when you've got efficient screenwriting and you can cram a lot into a short space of time But not make it feel rushed So so overall this this one is like pretty basic length for a star wars movie. I would say it's right in the middle Pretty much. Oh, that sounds like it just felt like it was too long. What happened to Acts don't feel about It's in the middle of Here's thing it. Yeah, it's the middle of the list pretty securely I know when we watched a ballerina. I watched empire the other day, which is only three minutes longer than a new hope um And it felt I mean it was packed The full stuff didn't feel long at all Hard to believe rises so long I will mention as well. Maybe maybe he's referring to like Like actually pacing or how it felt getting through each of the events if he's referring to specific length You'd think he would actually pull up like Is it a longest? I don't know Yeah, he said long. He didn't say it was poorly paced or that it had, you know, loosely Useless scenes in it. He did he said it was longest so runtime facts don't care what you feel about the pacing Oh It was it was not an auspicious beginning to the prequels. Okay number 10 Last Jedi obviously last Jedi is just flamingly bad a flamingly bad film They could have never heard that one before Flamingly bad. Also, the way he's saying it makes it sound like it should be 11 not 10 But as if he's like we all know this it's the worst thing ever. It's like, oh Like tpm is worse than the last Jedi because of the kid actor and he thinks that it's really long too long Because the last Jedi is 152 minutes Compared to Phantom Menace 136. I I would rank Phantom Menace above all three of the sequel movies. Me too easily Yeah, oh, did you see our ranking? I guess drinker came in after that But we did do a ranking if you scroll up in the chat a bit. Yo, I was gonna say we We rank all the prequels over all the sequels, right? Let's see the list. Oh, well, go let's catch up one. Uh, so Right at number one, there are two lists one is from a selection of us and a lot of them were made on coin flips, so You know On your secondary list, I almost agree. I would replace I put new hope at number one and then I think row one or so it was better than the force awake It's other than that. I think I agree at this list The second one. I think is the community poll Okay, the community poll that's That's one I like um Just I don't think I tried watching rogue one the other day. I still think episode three has a lot more to add to Star Wars and it's just a more interesting film than rogue one. That is correct. I think rogue one Yeah, I'd probably rank revenge of the sith above rogue one Pretty sure I abstained on that one because I have to I need to rewatch rogue one. Um, I haven't seen in ages Rogue one's not bad. It's it's not offensive. It's just watching it. I was just like, nah Okay, I saw a film like it didn't really make a much of an impression either way I care about the characters and revenge of the sith. I like in rogue one They make a big deal about everyone dying and like the one that hurt the most was the droid carrot was How much of that though is based on you spending six years Watching anakin become whatever he becomes at the end of the movie Like a one-off movie Yeah, I don't know like hard to say like I guess I ultimately though I just didn't really care a whole lot about the people in rogue one dying It's like, okay, this guy's gonna die than this guy. All right. Now this one's going. Okay I guess the two main character is going to die too. Yeah, they're gone I didn't care about them as much. I when I went into rogue one. I was just concerned that it wouldn't be more Over overlooking some of the uh flaws of the episode seven that could come out a year before because everyone was riding that high and I think they kind of Make that mistake with rogue one. So that's where I am Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that Been a moment where the film could have gotten good, right? There's a moment where ray and kylo Look like they're gonna team up and then it's gonna radically change The history of star wars that suddenly the dark side and the light side are fighting on the same side And all of a sudden the unit. I don't feel like the film would be good Had they decided to team up Feel like it's still a disaster It wouldn't undo all the other horrifying things that had happened up until that point On the on the first viewing I I really liked where I thought it was gonna go At that moment and it didn't and it was just another like it was just bullshit How dare you But seeing seeing a jedi and a sith fight side by side although, you know Terrible choreography aside that was a quite a cool moment The first time I watched it the first time I watched it. I was like I was like that's that's fucking cool. I've not seen that before and it doesn't completely ruin everything about The the world that this is setting I think the fact that it immediately follows the death of like the big antagonist of the the series as he'd been presented up until that point Just killed it for me Like I was like, I don't care what happens beyond this because it is just nonsense now I mean it was it was going down that path anyways, right? Was there not a little bit of excitement there for you thinking like, where is this going to go? In that moment, it's like what's going to happen now Well, while they're fighting yeah, but it immediately shattered its own pants, but in that moment. I was like, wow I didn't actually expect this to happen Tight there There honestly could have been something there if rey and kylo teamed up and then episode nine was about luke and lea Having to deal with these two super powerful young That sounds like a fucking sitcom Yeah, see in that fight scene I think I didn't feel anything because they're fighting a bunch of extras They're obviously going to kill everyone and it's just of them left and You know that rey is not going to really going to be swayed because she's too perfect and You know, she's either going to beat kylo down again or she's just going to run away somehow So I wasn't particularly invested in what was going to happen During or immediately after that fight because I kind of could see what was going to happen. It was it was predictable to a tee For me anyway A a slight detour i'm back by the way, uh, but someone had was doing some work mark creation studios was doing some work and he was able to get the The the shirtless Joel model. Yes, if you needed that comparison He's able to pull that and get that all set up Your own personal archives abby definitely beats him out Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, she's more swole than him for sure Sorry Joel back to the gym, I suppose Get some more of those bigots sandwiches Is radically and then Ryan Johnson because he's an idiot He has them separate off again, and then you get the the ridiculous Luke Skywalker hologram face off with kylo ren And you and you get the the idiocy of a film in which you basically redo the battle of hoth except The gun is attention the gun that's pointing at him The poster of the last Jedi I guess Take care of that spider over there His strange Anakin and Padme junior fan arts that he's got all over the walls When he's frowning at them he regrets them You make it on a salt planet and then you say it's a salt planet 10 times so that people don't think that it's just the ice battle of Hoth just once Why is he putting this in a position where we have to defend tlj? Don't make us do this Ben Fall over again when it's obviously just the ice battle of hoth all over again. They totally should have killed thin They totally should have killed. Yeah, the the what's the name of the the person everyone forgets rose. Everyone understands People don't forget her Try to Shrek That would have at least given it some stakes The last Jedi totally destroys luke skywalkers character And this is one of the problems as we will see when we get to the next one one of the problems with the new trilogy Is that it is based on the things he just listed makes it sound like that's worse than the phantom menace No phantom menace had a kid. Oh, yeah, sorry. I forgot there was a child They're full of us wait tlj had a kid Yeah, little bro. Little broom boy yeah Now that's why they had a lot of characters acting like children. Yeah Number nine force awakens again people gonna think this is controversial It is not controversial force awakens is a bad film The reason is a bad film is not because on its own Also, uh, what's the age difference between rose and fin? Do we know? Oh, no Yeah, you can't really tell the age of asians by looking at him. Sometimes you got to you got to Cut them in half and count the rings Look the important thing is that she she essentially raped fin and she she should be put into rebellion jail So the reason is because it takes all of your old characters and just murders them in front of you I agree chat black and green It takes all the characters you grew up with and loved and who made your childhood Han Solo and turns Han Solo into a loser divorce dad flying around the universe like cheech and chong smoking dope in the in the millennium Which version of this movie did you fucking watch Ben Jesus? Apart from the smoking weed, but he's right Like where was the region chong There's a deleted scene of cheery just rolling the fat as blunt Ever since I discovered that crazy wookiee shit Did the death stick sky from attack of the clone? Sect that he was doing the job for or something And then has him murdered at the hands of his own son because leah is too chicken to go confront her on So now they try as you will see Is he doing like general stuff? Well, no, I get why she doesn't directly confront him because she is the general and they're having like an armed conflict And she's really important and kylo's like a leader for the enemy faction That's the thing like at that point isn't like Han Solo is basically like the stay-at-home dad She's the one of like out there earning the fucking Well, the real I mean they're strange. So they're not even working as a team at all like Until until they get reunited medium of ray Well, that's what I mean. So like Well, not what I was saying, but like um So how is that her being a chicken just because Han Solo is out doing his own thing completely separate from her and they don't even communicate with one another I think it's totally reasonable that she doesn't just show up to kylo ren in the first order Her being leia organa. Yeah, like hey, it's me the leader of the rebellion Just come to talk to my son who's on it's past your bedtime come on Don't capture me. I want to know your uncle tried to fuck you up that time, but come on I feel like luke wouldn't have told them what happened. He was like, yeah, he just fucked everything up. I don't know You know how we're always saying that can just happen You're gonna be shocked by where I rank rise of skywalker jj abram does try to fix this with some lens flare in rise of skywalker But the fact is that force awakens is a is a criminal act against the star wars legacy They decided they were going to kill all the olds in order to Build characters who are significantly less interesting than the old characters in the first place and kill off your childhood in the process Yeah, he's you know I could not hate force awakens more than I hate force awakens. I walked out of the theater I thought okay. That was all right And then every waking moment since then I've thought about force awakens. I've gotten angrier at force awakens And so it ranks in among the among the worst pair awake at number eight It's like hawn's like teaching chan Hey Attack of the clones is lower than rise of skywalker. Wow really he's putting Phantom menace below last jedi and attack of the clones below rise of skywalker. Wow Attack of the clones now everybody hates attack of the clones I've heard people say attack of the clones is the worst of the of the prequels It is not the worst of the prequels phantom menace is a worse film than attack of the clones Why because christopher lee is great and count duke's character Is poorly written but count duke is this is the secret hero of the of the star wars prequels count duke is not wrong He's a separatist from a senate and has been taken over secretly by a sith lord He's the only one who knows this and he has set off to move on outside of a of a But you can't he's in league with him though Yeah He's also darth tyranus Well, I mean what about that line where obi-wan kenobi's trapped in that stasis thing and he offers him his hand to Take him both down marriage. I assume that was bullshit because he works with palpatine before palpatine He is palpatine's then why would he tell obi-wan that the senate has been taken under control by a dark lord like is that a way to get That's I think that's the thing This is the part of the I think it's a huge failing of the movie that this part isn't explored I agree. I think it's really interesting stuff with duke and his relationship with palpatine and palpatine cleat didn't care about him that much because he went sannakin to kill him And there's a lot of stuff that could have been looked into here that they just flat out didn't do Well, I think that's the biggest problem with the prequels is there's a lot of great ideas that were laid out But never executed well or executed at all So you have a lot of what ifs that you can either sell books for which cool It builds the star wars universe, but is the single film itself. It doesn't stand up on it. So trade federation That is Instituting tariffs against planets. He doesn't wish to see tariff. He's a free trade libertarian count duke isn't he in with the trade federation I mean potentially. I mean, I guess it depends on what the trade federation's rules are Um, but we don't ever really learn about that That's the thing if the trade federation turned out to be a very like actually legitimately noble and interestingly developed agreeable faction and the republic is Beyond that he has a pretty good lightsaber battle with both uh, unma greger and yoda Yeah The yoda one is a little I mean, maybe at the time the crazy kind of CGI front flipping yoda was kind of okay, I guess but watching it now. It's pretty ropey Yeah Like bad choices. It's such a it's such a horrible use of the character as well. He was never about his physical prowess in combat. That's like that's the whole point of him. Like you look at him and see this Like he's saying the little thing Yeah, but he's wise and he's powerful with the force that's teaching you an important moral lesson I won't defend it not being silly. I always did kind of like it though I mean, I I would preferred we kept him in force mode That was that was a neat little back and forth. Uh, but the jumping up and down is a little bit like all right. Well I guess he's doing that because how else can you do it, right? Well, that's the thing. I guess he has to Just because of his stature, there's no way you could realistically have him having a lightsaber duel without him Fucking if it's worth anything. I way prefer the emperor yoda fight than the dooku yoda fight Oh, absolutely all right The The basic plotting of it is more interesting than phantom ennis Now it does have some of the worst romance in in the history of film, right? I mean everything involving hayden christianson and natalie portman. It's a horror show. It's death You are smoother than sand malady is one of the worst lines in the history smoother I don't know if you've ever seen ray piss in kylo ren. That's like this death right there Well, here's the thing he rates that movie higher than this Yeah, that's that's bonkers like We had a guy from lucas film on the channel and he said that was the directive for episode two Is we want to make a romance film and I just I asked him why he's like, well, that's what we wanted to do To get more women to watch Uh-oh working out for lucas film ever since too Yeah, uh, at least they had a a plan to Execute on top of the whole bring women into the franchise thing. That's what me is that's our plan and it didn't work awesome. Oh my god. Oh my god It is that film that more than any Really destroyed my perception of natalie portman is a decent actress I still think that she is wildly overrated But with that said is it better than phantom ennis? Yes, because at least you start to get flashes of what's going to happen in Revenge of the Sith, which as we will see actually is a pretty good movie. Okay number seven. So as we move on into the movies that are That are what? Also, I completely forgot We gotta get three answers We'll go from left to right cynic snacks. Which do you think is better christmas or halloween? Halloween. Yes. I can't believe this. It's insane Oh, we knew the best holiday. Yes Yeah Hey mark, which which do you think is better christmas or halloween? I'm also team halloween. Oh Triple, where do we find these? This year I might not say that because I've got a girlfriend, but if you're a single dude halloween is absolutely the best holiday Oh, yeah There we go based halloween Yeah All right, good Triple kill he's gonna say all of these all these if it wasn't for the rampant Commercialism, I think christmas might have a better chance, but I just I hate the fucking music I hate all of the just extra shit that comes with it I feel like having a time with your family and stuff is obviously really nice and much more Wholesome than halloween, but everything else that comes with it really fucks fucks christ Well, you don't have to engage in the commercialism if you don't want to oh my god. Yeah, all right It's fucking everywhere. It's impossible. You don't have to buy all that stuff You don't have to go outside. No, but I have to exist in the world in which it's contained Like it's unavoidable. Well, that's unlikely to be a problem this year because we'll probably all be in lockdown again Anyway back to Ben Shapiro rating Star Wars movie Watchable right we've now moved into the the arena of movies that you would rewatch if you saw them Beginning on tnt right where you're flipping through it and you see a scene you need to watch it Right, if you're flipping through you see something from force awakens like nope You see something from phantom Venice. You're like double nope something from attack of a cleansing. Hey I want to watch Ben Shapiro flicking through tv channels You're just sitting behind him watching a vault What you plan to watch they're Benjamin I know a lot of people aren't down on solo. I'm not sure why I think solo is amusing It's it's kind of fun. It doesn't sell out Han Solo's character the way that the the Sequels do right the sequels actually destroy Han Solo's character Well, one of those reasons is because solo is a prequel and the force awakens as a sequel So even if even if Han Solo was portrayed to be like the shittiest most worthless horrible person in his own movie At least we know he ends up as the Han Solo we know and love. Yeah Yeah, that makes sense. Meanwhile, they turn him from his whole his whole hero's journey in the original Star Wars on solo is from Rogue who only cares about himself and is a mercenary to self-sacrificing general in the resistance Who's going to get married at the end and have little Jedi babies with Leia, right? That's that is his his hero's journey and then they completely revert him back to Rogue who only cares about himself In in the in the sequels solo doesn't do that solo is is starting that journey The the problem with solo is that it it sort of gives him the hero's journey before the hero's journey He has to start off with being this dissolute rogue who is is Cynical and nasty, right that has to be the hero's journey beginning in episode four solo Proceeds that he already has sympathy towards the rebellion He already is showing some aspects of self-sacrifice which it which is kind of weird. That's the problem with solo Also, I will say that the the Kessel run is completely missed on if you take a short cut in the kessel run It doesn't count as you doing it less than 12 par sex, but it's got some amusing Well, isn't it because you use the technology like the poor hyperdrive fuel or something into the engine directly or some shit? Yeah, he made the ship snort coke or whatever and it made it It's tuned right by that point I sort of get what he's saying about like putting Han Solo through the hero's journey before he's even Like started his character development and you hope so he's you sort of have to press the reset button on him But I could buy into like he's you know Live the life as a mercenary in the years between and he's become hardened again like to to other causes So he's selfish again The film ends with him learning that he got a shoot first, right? Like that's what Solo's trying to do It's like they don't trust anyone out there. He cared and then he got fucked over back to square one, I guess The the problem I had with the Kessel run was that they made it so that it's like the Kessel run happens the first time Han Solo was actually like at the helm of the Millennium Falcon for real and also he fights a Bloodborne boss Well, yeah, when he dropped Cthulhu into the black hole, I was like, this is getting weird Like yeah, that one that one came out of left field He dropped Cthulhu in a black hole Yeah, like why did that have to be part of the Kessel run? Yeah, that could be a thing in the movie but the Kessel run like I thought that was him getting through a thing fast not like Yeah with other complications included That other people maybe didn't have Yeah, he's got the best time or whatever Yeah And so you tell me like the only way the parsec thing makes sense is if he takes a shortcut because parsecs are supposed to be Distance, right? So yeah, the amount of distance shortest route. This is uh, when they drop Cthulhu into the black hole just so you know Believe me all of us when watching this is like That's the thing that just happens is just like oh, this wasn't already tense enough. We need a space Cthulhu monster To really ramp up the tension All of its skin gets ripped off first Yeah, it was kind of like It's just Layering so much stuff on that's so unnecessary. They do the same thing in Star Trek like the 2009 one We're like the the antagonist ship is getting sucked into a black hole and Like it's already getting crushed and blown up and pulled in and then the enterprise fucking starts laying into it with Photon torpedoes and phasers and stuff like you don't need this It's it's the bad guy's already gonna die. That's enough It's just cluttered shit all over the screen. Someone chat said it's a moon presence from blackboard Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It looks like a blackboard boss Think moment. Uh, the robot in solo is one of the better robots in uh, one is one of the better The robot the robot No I'm gonna make a prediction. I think it's because he thinks it's a parody of like feminists Oh, so that's why he thinks he's one of the best robots. I still don't know if it's a parody or not because it's so well written It's like, I don't I don't know if it's a parody. I don't know The conspiracy theory that um lord and miller were fired because someone figured out that l337 was a parody who is um, that's It's not not totally off base. I could see them being like Using theory Interesting one. That's for certain All of star wars. So uh solo ranks at number seven rise of skywalker at number six So people hated rise of skywalker because they are wrong. Really rise of skywalker. I didn't hate it because i'm wrong Did you go back? I didn't hear that correctly said people hate to rise of skywalker because they're wrong No, no, he didn't go back. He didn't so this means that every So what this means is that everything he ranks above this? And you hate you're also wrong Because this is the tipping point now. We're at the good ones. Yeah. Oh, yeah, true Uh solo ranks at number seven rise of skywalker at number six So people hated rise of skywalker because they are wrong I i'm surprised I'm shocked. I don't even know what to do. Please tell me why i'm starting to think six million wasn't enough Oh The edge you're gonna cut six million bad ratings six millions bad ratings for the rise of skywalker because everyone hated it except Ben Shapiro Yeah, if there was six million and one ratings that were bad, they would have gone through Yeah, that's what a man has half of the movie is just throw away nonsense Right the very beginning where you have the the millennium falcon Hop hopping and skipping planet to planet is really dominant useless and very jj abram The part of it that's good is that it actually goes back to respecting the legacy of star wars because remember For no apparent reason in order to kill off the old snake room for the new Trilogy respects the legacy of star wars. Fuck Anakin. Am I right? Yeah, I am wondering like have you heard the arguments for why this film is a disaster bed like I don't sure if you have because Jesus there's a lot of Further and kill off luke skywalker as a good character and then kill off the idea The skywalker family matters at all because apparently random kids just get the force Yes, we know that's the prequel. We've we've thought that since the originals We've basically had it confirmed since the preq. If jet I can't have kids Where do you think the kids are coming from? Yeah, they just In the ground According to some So, yeah, okay. Well Which under the entire trilogy rise of skywalker retcons basically rise of skywalker is what if I just Crap all over ryan johnson and I'm all for it man. I mean looks about maybe Yeah Yeah, Stalin hated hitler, you know, but It's implied that I'm just the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Yeah Ah, I just So the rise of skywalker is a good movie because of the directors Contradicting each other He hated the last Jedi so much that even though it's still better than the phantom menace the sheer fact that somebody Did an anti version of that means that it's good I I thought he was supposed to be mr. Logic Hey, it's still and the thing is it doesn't really go as far as it should to try and undo the last Jedi Like it still tries to work within the constraints of what it's established You know, so you've got things like raise parents being nobody's and then suddenly you're saying like oh Well, your parents kind of were nobody's but your grandparents They were somebody like why can't you just say no, it's all bullshit. It's wrong. We're just resetting that But it's like you Through force Skype too Yeah, I'm I'm all for shitting on ryan johnson's changes, right? Yeah go go that but then it's like Lord remember the force. We're fucking with that completely. We're just gonna we're gonna off We're gonna dip our fingers in there and just or when you're like, oh, okay That's not the greatest. Remember the emperor like he's back. You're like, well, wait, no, that fucks up And he's like no, not just that he's retarded. You're like, oh Don't do that And Oh, but but it but it did a middle finger to ride johnson's like well, yeah, but it also did a middle finger to us So like what do you mean? and itself Hey, um, you guys know how ben Shapiro makes his coffee, right? Oh, yeah, no, he brews it uh Because he's a jew So he Jews it it's like that's no, he no, he brew he brews it No, I thought it was pretty I Was like, oh man is me laughing gonna be interpreted as anti-Semitic I got that was like a he oh the fact you haven't left you're already guilty of a sin that someone else committed So you're yeah, just feel just have fun on the ride Basically it is we're gonna retcon this entire history. We're going to shoehorn leah into she was actually a jedi We're going to retcon Luke into why are you throwing? Why aren't you respecting jedi traditions? No burning of jedi books? No throwing way of lightsabers. Why aren't you respecting jedi traditions? We retcon han solo into yeah, he's a hero who cared about his son and was willing to self-sacrifice We retcon everything we retcon everything and we make the biggest retcon of all which is the most important one Which is that ray is actually palpatine's granddaughter Retcon really is it a retcon? No, it's not a retcon It's just about the original like Parents were nobody we know retcon is Anakin's sacrifice Well, so the retcon and comes from uh, remember kylo said your parents were nobody and it's like they are nobody It's your grandparents. That was somebody. It's like, okay Yeah, that's your parents are still somebody's if they're the fucking daughter and son or son of I can't remember which one was Who the palpatine one but Being the offspring of palpatine Makes you a somebody They chose to leave that behind so they were nobody Like but also selling your child to keep that child safe from being killed is a lot different than selling it for drinking money Also now i'm getting confused. Are we talking about status or we're talking about like I thought the whole point was ability like the reason why she was sad to find out her parents aren't obi ones or Uh skywalkers or whatever it's because that means she has no big powerful family to belong to it It's like no, no, no, you do but it's palpatine. She's like, oh my god Well, wouldn't she be more sad to know that her parents sold her Yeah, well money That's I mean at least she's worth something. That's That part makes me so curious about onka plot. It's like wait, did they sell half portion? Like this is the best place that they could come up with I need I need an onka plot story I need to go through all that with with onka himself and you talk to we got a solo movie I want a plot movie and it's just called plot There's nothing else to plot Just dole in out half portions to people to clarify in a meta sense It was totally it wrecked con twice in a meta sense. It was like jj rooms was totally intending to do something crazy with it there's even Quotes from I think simon peg and someone else around like 2015 16 where they're like, oh, yes Her lineage is going to be very important and the ryan johnson was like lull and then JJ was like well, I got the controls back now and you didn't do enough to like square it off I still got room to say that something's gonna happen But in in universe we can get away fully with kylo just being Being weird how he describes stuff So instead of it was like in in TLJ It was kylo telling ray that her entire family tree for generations were all nobody They just kept selling their kids for drinking money generation after generation Um car plot has just got like generations of rays I feel like This should be put on screen and I want chat to appreciate this Excellent joke that saufa has made very well. Uh, I think that is I think I know if that was me, I wanted So I think give it a clap credit should be given. I think that credit should be given decent Like disney screwed this up and they tried to retcon the retcon afterward, right? They tried to suggest that palpatine was actually a clone palpatine. He wasn't actually palpatine Okay, I understand palpatine died at the end of return of the jedi. I also understand whatever man what I wasn't paying attention for a second Why do that make it make sense I also understand whatever man That's that's interesting, uh, okay That's specifically why it's weird. Yeah, I mean, can you just say this to everything? Whatever man I like that. Like he's like, okay, so we definitely did die. Okay, but he also didn't anyway moving on Okay, whatever it's got to actually be palpatine if this is to have any meaning at all But it makes sense that she's palpatine's granddaughter because the most powerful force being in the galaxy is indeed emperor palpatine Was Yeah, then he exploded twice And now he's even more powerful than before It just it raises so many questions like, you know, did did palpatine have a harem? Did he have like, you know a wife? All these things that are never touched upon because they were clearly never part of the original trilogy And then suddenly you're raising all these questions like how did any of this come about don't know it's never explained Maybe there were always just shitloads of palpatine's but only one of them was like the evil emperor During that time the rest of them were just kind of roaming around the galaxy having like illegitimate children just all over the place party patine This is like when when did Uh, yeah, I don't know. There's yeah, there's too many questions, but like I just don't understand And Shapiro the fax and logic guy is having no problem with rise of skywalker when even if I even try to apply logic To the story and rise of skywalker for a second. I develop a headache To do that it completely solves the mary jane problem Which was a huge problem in force awakens that she picks up a lightsaber and suddenly she's fighting mary jane The marijuana problem with chewbacker and han solo am I right? Dairy jane and tobacco Chewbacca Is that what the the the the wookie weed is called Chewbacca? Um, yeah, they didn't solve the mary jane problem. Oh, did they Mary jane's name for an unidentified dead person That's a jane doe jane jane Mary jane is weed So for her to do that it completely solves the mary jane problem Which was a huge problem in force awakens and she picks up a lightsaber and suddenly she's fighting ben solo Who's been training for 20 years and has skywalker blood right now. She's like, well, no i'm a palpatine kid He's one that doesn't fix that by the way I'm a palpatine kid that still had no training and shouldn't be able to do any of these If you're a skywalker kid, you could do it after 20 years if you're a palpatine kid no training at all And also it's an explanation, but it's not a justification There are people that chat in fulvigus that he bad berry sue. We know Yeah When did i'm a palpatine kid? Check this out right like okay got it that makes sense now that makes sense They bring back all the old music from return to the jedi, which is great They bring back all of a lot of the old scenery from return to the jedi, which is just fantastic It works on ben. Hey guys I Think it's safe to say that now we have confirmation that member berries are kosher They allow han a better goodbye, which was necessary because the way they killed him in force awakens is disrespectful No, that wasn't a good. Bye. That was kyle talking to himself. It wasn't even That was more for like the viewer than for actual han solo who's definitely that was more so they could have harrison ford in a movie It was it was a babery. You know what's funny is force ghost han was off to the left frowning and crossing his arms I would never do that kind of thing. I do not forgive you ben Ben you are a fucking piece of shit your mother was wrong. I should never have come to try and save you They allowed by the way your mother's a bitch Goodbye by having him force rays from the grave the x-wing in the same way that yoda did which is really Fantastic as opposed to the idiotic way they got rid of him in last jedi I mean I like that part like that in another context luke raising an x-wing out of the water like yoda did once That works But it ain't like this Not like this But that's the thing the member berries they stop at that point is like, oh luke lifted something up for the x-wing from the water Like the green alien did that one time I saw them the movie thing They stopped Yeah, I don't I don't think you can give jj abram's credit for doing a call back at this point like come on Sure, he did something that's kind of like a cool thing that happened in the old movies Sure, but didn't he just shit on tlj for being like stop trying to look like hearth stop it Yeah, yeah I I suspected that this would happen that his justifications for this is bad would contradict his justifications for this is good Well, because rise this guy will get just everything wrong He's just gonna be hard to fight a flaw in that one that isn't present in tlj that he guns for Hopefully Joe biden's it right I mean just sort of like plots and disappears of old age And then just so you can have that shot of the two sons like tatsuin. Oh, I see the parallelism God ryan johnson. Okay, so rise of skywalker. I feel like the crazy old man jokes were We're better designed for palpatine instead of yeah I don't know if I was gonna throw in a joe biden. Haha. He's a silly geriatric old crazy person, man I would have gone with the palpatine thing I At number six because it actually respects the tradition and you get points for that number five This is this is ben shepiro's 30 pieces of silver Oh, shit. We lost so much drink. Oh no, it was drunk lid He dropped his drunk litches Return of the jedi so return of the jedi I would take two thirds of this movie is fantastic and one third of it is silly everything that is luke And darth vader related is just great the final throne room stuff is just fantastic all of that is great Uh, it it has great music The the dynamic between palpatine in mcdermond is fantastic the dynamic between palpatine and darth vader and luke is the best thing about the movie Yep, han becoming a more responsible human being is good the entire speeder scene is actually a very cool scene Han becoming a more responsible human being. What does he mean more responsible? I feel like we Because he's a general, but he's kind of already doing that in in empire Yeah, in empire he goes out to save luke and he's a lot of stuff that he does He stayed with the rebellion for a while, you know Absolutely, and then once he gets woken up from carbonite. Well, I guess we're fucking back at it job's not done boys Well, he's finally fully committed because before he's always like yeah, I gotta go I'll help out for now and then I gotta go but Once they rectified the job of the hut threat then he's like fully You know committed to the cause not i'm here just because it's convenient type of thing I mean it did seem to me that he was Committed outside he had to get that done because I was gonna that's like he even mentions that he's they're bumping into bounty hunters So like he's got to get it sorted But like do you do you think he would have gone come back after he paid job of the hut? Yes Because luke's his friend Yeah Like the fact that he nearly kills himself to save luke makes me think and he's clearly invested in layer Like I would assume he'd get it paid and then come back It was always under I always thought that uh job would be like yeah, you pay me but it's not good enough And it would have been one of those like return of the jedi situation. Yeah, he's a couple years early I don't think job. I would have no I don't think job. I would have gotten a rid of such a valuable last step I was gonna say isn't that Okay, gotta be careful as a hut doing something like that because wouldn't people be like why the fuck would I pay you? Yeah, why bother paying him back if he just Have to imagine that off me especially harm would probably give him some You know a bit on top for the delay or something. I don't know Couple I mean he tried that in return of the jedi triple. You're throwing away a deal here. I'm just I figure if you he's that shitty So that was that was after they tried to steal him from under java's nose So at that point I assume he's just punishing them in terms of execution for breaking many laws of any kind Many I was gonna quote the law I love the idea of jumping like section 43 of c 17 On the mean code. Can I can I can I can I get bail triple the cost? He's like no to the solid On indoor The the second death star and and the plot to trap the rebels is good Even land off line the the millennium falcon makes him sense the ewoks are are not great The the space battle doesn't seem to have tremendous consequences. It's obviously not as impactful as the well What are you talking about, Ben? Ben I need to know what are you talking about Well, when he says it doesn't seem that consequence is like first of all several major ships for the rebellion are exploded But the death star also gets exploded. I feel like we get some finality with that space battle, you know We do Yeah Great, I like the space battle part. It's how it all fits in with the tisby fucking ewoks It's the ewoks. Yeah, everyone agrees. It's the ewoks that need work You need if it was a planet full of wookies, it would have gone way better, but even then You can't you that's cultural appropriation Ewoks were invented by a white man. So I don't oh my god. Yeah as the new hope of space battle, but In concluding the trilogy, it's good. Also the the job is stuff at the beginning There's a great thread. I saw from a friend of mine frank Fleming online where he completely deconstructs the job Of stuff would be like what was luke's actual plan? So his plan was i'm gonna send the droids in and then do they get kept by java? Or do they not like if he'd have to then rescue the droids right because if job had kept the droids me like, okay Here's hawn when they've just left r2 and c3pio there. No, so he has lando in their undercover lando Never actually does anything undercover then he sends in the droids to be captured for no apparent reason Then he sends in leia to make the trade with java for hawn, but now he still has to rescue rescue C3pio and r2. No, she doesn't make the trade. She's just offering to sell chewy He's a bounty, right? Yeah, which you again like i'm not actually defending return of the jedi here I'm actually just trying to correct him because like it is tizmy as hell It's like leia's now gonna come in and sell chubaca to java. You're like, what the fuck does that help? So we're down a man basically for no reason. Yeah, but you got some credits java's dungeon Dude that opening is so weird when you lay it out. It's like what in the world is everyone thinking Then he shows up But he doesn't actually just brandish the light saber and tell java he's gonna Blow him away like kill him unless he releases all of his friends He proceeds to be thrown into a rancor pit which presumably lando knew about and could have warned him about like the beginning makes no sense It's fun, but it makes no sense With that said return to the jedi that the the conclusion of the trilogy is very moving Uh, and it definitely works revenge of the sith is number four Now revenge of the sith. I rewatched it recently. It's good. It's a good movie Revenge of the sith the last two-thirds of it is really good. Everything for when palpatine becomes overtly maniacal To the end order 66 that whole sequence is very effective where you're seeing all of these jedi gets shot down and killed All of that is really effective the the Um, I have issues with revenge of the sith. We'll be able to get to that eventually So we'll do a stream for it specifically, but uh, yeah, order 66 pretty good Yeah, I am at the end is good It actually works emotionally when yunma greger is upset about all this now hayden christianson still can't act But that's just the wages of sin. It's good. There's a lot in revenge of the sith. That's great The the final light table battle is is excellent the big flaw in revenge of the sith is that The the sort of rationale for why darth vader becomes darth vader Doesn't really work too well because the question becomes why he still works for the emperor afterward Right because at the he apparently falls to the dark side because he wants the power to be able to say padme Okay, padme dies So why is he still hanging out with the emperor at that point the emperor made him a promise the emperor didn't fulfill the promise Well anakin didn't as a part of what anakin wants just in general is more power. He really likes power he wants the power and He he would tell you it's to help people And of course he ends up using it to kill those he considers to be like blights on the universe Also doesn't go off on padme at the end of the movie anyways So he's already like Yeah, I mean he's he's kind of lashes out. Well, he's furious because he's cold He's told that he killed us was probably even more to send him to crazyville The emperor has access to anakin's old tweets. He'll reveal that Anakin skywalker is cancelled Also, we all know that the sith apprentice tries to kill the the sith master So why doesn't he just try and kill palpatine like right away and take control of it give him 19 years Okay, a little bit more than that actually 25 Isn't the idea too that you want to learn from the master before you kill him like you don't want to just be like Okay, i'm a sith now. All right master you're out Well, yeah, because the emperor says maybe together we can discover the power to save people's lives or whatever Yeah, he has a very tangible like in narrative reason to want to not kill palpatine Of the galaxy if that's really what he's up to it's weird that he becomes sort of a functionary in the galactic regime of palpatine After it turns out that his wife died and palpatine didn't do anything to to save him to to save her number three I'm gonna go off the board. You're ready for this one rogue one Unless you're not against I know a lot of people want to put Revenge of the sith or rotj return of the jedi on this list at this point Uh, I go rogue one. I think rogue one is an actually really well made film A rogue one is fascinating. It has just enough tips of the hat to the original star wars trilogy to draw you in Also, the ending of it is shocking Right, this is one of the new star wars I think it is completely exactly what we everyone thought was going to happen. Yeah Like we knew Is he implying that it's just shocking that darth vader is so brutal because like, I mean he's a sith lord I think it's the whole I oh Is that shocking or is he talking about the fact that he dies? Well, I mean like the everyone dies part shouldn't be shocking because it's not like any of the rest of them are any Is he like, holy shit cgi leah I assume I assume he's referring to the fact that only the characters die. Uh, yeah, but that honestly shouldn't have been shocking We should know more of the original kind of star wars Recognitions is that nobody who's a major character except alec guiness dies in the first three star wars and not not not a single major I don't think How could you say like, oh no major characters die except the ones that do it's like Sure, who is a who's a hero dies in the first three star wars at least not of old age I mean you know the dies of old age Yeah, sure eventually you narrow it down to I think he's just saying no major protagonist I think is the distinction you should have made but vader very clearly becomes a protagonist right before he dies Like that's yeah, that's the whole fucking point. It's his story Yeah, I find this weird Rogue one kills off all the main characters at the end which is a shock I remember watching this in the theater for the first time. It's like, what what did the what did they just do? Yeah, for me. I was just like, oh no, fuck that guy It's a suicide mission We knew from the original trilogy that they were gonna die. That's the whole point of this Yeah, the idea is that we don't know any of these people even though it's set minutes before new hope or whatever So it's like wait a minute Where did they all go? They just set you up with all of these characters who actually like Well I liked the robot the blind guy That was about it The big gunman was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah gunman Yeah gun guy, uh, yeah blind guy People are either described by their disability or the weapon they use Because I can't remember their fucking names because they don't matter at all pilot guy is one of them leader guy And of course the protagonist jone dark And the lead protagonist woman guy. Well, that's that's offensive. I'm telling everyone I can't tell you Then they kill all of them Somebody described. I made fun of them at the time, but they were kind of right They described rogue one as an actual war film as in not just star wars, but natural war film and that I was waiting for him to correct himself. It's an actual war film. I mean, there is walls There's one battle no star wars I mean a lot of rebels get killed and a lot of storm troopers get killed and a planet gets blowed up I think he's referencing I think he's referencing it's more gritty It's a much more When full metal jacket the blind guy went over the field and switched the button. Yeah, that was my favorite part That part was really used to force, okay Yeah, they used to force a lot in full metal jacket Well, I mean remember and save and private ryan when this giant space station appeared over the horizon and blasted all the american troops Ah the secret Nazi weapon I didn't know the Nazis were that prepared Saving Private Wolfenstein That's right, I mean this is about human sacrifice And what people are willing to do in order to accomplish a mission Including giving up your life if you're in this case, you know, probably 25 years old As the main like all the rebel soldiers who die in the original trilogy I was gonna say even the opening of a new hope is pretty like oh, shit, you know Like what they didn't zoom in with their faces so it doesn't count Yeah Who would have thought that people would die in wars Shocking Rogue one is really there also that that final the final scene where Darth Vader finally lets loose Is just ridiculously good And if you ever watch the mashup of the end of rogue one and the beginning of new hope, it's fantastic I wouldn't go that far I really like the ending. See I just don't I don't I don't know that watching the end of rogue one and then the beginning of new hope is Fantastic, I just be like, I mean it fits enough. Yeah, it works here. Why is the CGI lady a human now? Wow, she got wow the CGI just got really good. It's like she's really there Very calm all of a sudden what happened there? He was fucking ripping everyone's heads off two seconds ago People often reference that Like vader should be much more like what the fuck this is you you guys just ran away from a war rather than Plans were being to this ship I'm pretty sure it's like you know more than that vader, you know, you saw that shit Yeah, just you know try to lie and say like we were on a diplomatic mission It's like really in the middle of diplomatic mission Above a fucking above what was it like an empire? We seemed to wake from an active battle. I was physically watching you guys run away Is like you were there like no, we weren't we were on a diplomatic mission I'm pretty sure that I saw this ship Like 20 minutes ago Yeah, you were literally inside the battleship that I was fighting on I was like, are you sure like if she looks around the other rebel soldiers were shrugging like I I don't think vader's not even like in the scene. She's saying this to like the subordinates of vader comes He's like what she's saying. It's like apparently they would evolve. What do you mean they would evolve? Apparently it wasn't them. They said they said they're on a diplomatic mission. There must be some kind of mistake vader just is bullshit Well, well he does torture her so maybe he was like, yeah, you're definitely lying I'll talk to you just in case That was a different cruiser at a different license plate. He's like, oh, shit. You're right. We just checked him Oh, yes, the very end of rogue one where we're looking for a white honda corolla and in the beginning of episode of episode four where Darth Vader catches Attempted four and they just mash it up and it works perfectly. It's beautiful number two Is a new hope and there's some controversy over whether a new hope should go in front of empire The only reason being that empire wouldn't exist without new hope But that doesn't mean anything. That's not that's not why people say that a new hope is better than empire There's plenty good reasons I'm not sure what he's talking about like the thing is a new hope is really fucking good To say empire new hope is the top one is fine with me. I don't mind people choosing either now, yeah Just my argument is always well a new hope is a very complete film And empire strikes back while it's great A lot of that depends on what return of the jedi resolves a new hope's the only star wars movie That you don't need to watch any other one. It's the whole there it is. It's whole shebang Yeah, that's that's what I enjoy about it the most It's a fucking chunky piece of content for one movie for sure I I don't know if I agree with that. I think it flows very smoothly compared to any other star wars movie Oh, no, not like not like chunky and smooth like peanut butter like there's a lot of like there's a lot of stuff in there What I mean is you get a lot of the amount of time that you're asked to stay Oh, okay, that's what you meant. So I thought you meant just because I've heard a lot of people complain about the pacing issues of the first Maybe a better way to start set with a van is really not much to Fix it's thick. There you go. That's a better. That's a better way to get the scripture, you know, I think it's good though Well, yeah, I mean I've never had a problem with the pacing and a new hope But I suppose I'd be able to I feel like a common argument for the ot from some people would be like, oh, they're a bit slower than The other ones be like then modern movies Always thing is really not that slow though. I mean a new hope literally starts out The opening they're just a big battle on the ship and then each star wars movie Kind of starts out. You're like, where am I doing? You're in the middle of the story and you got to catch up It's I don't know how people complain about that in the modern day And unless it's like marvel flashed, you know in front of your face every five seconds star wars The old ones aren't slow at all I need a gauntlet with six powerful gems inside it. Okay Is it going to puke puke puke every scene? ye Is in and of itself a very good movie now I know these movies hold up because I've shown them to my six and my three-year-old and they love them. I mean they are That's not a great That's not a good way to find out if the movie holds up As long as the three-year-old spawn of Ben Shapiro says it's good then Damn sure it's good. It's funny because you'd be like, well at least six-year-old, right? It's like six-year-old What what are we gathering from a three-year-old A ten-year-old could love for Phantom Menace. So what now what do we do? I should I should the emoji movie to my three-year-old and they loved it. So that proves that it's also film Into them. I've shown them some of the new movies not as much Conversely is is fantastic. My three-year-old. Absolutely. Hey citizen kane To be fair, I don't see any three-year-olds enjoying citizen kane. They're gonna be like, what the fuck is this? Sled he's like, oh, is it gonna be a sledding scene now daddy daddy? I feel like his ideals will eventually break down when the realization that he could have personal That's exactly right. No, he's like Like you are smart I did grow up watching the Star Wars movies I probably was like three when my parents showed me the original trilogy and that's why I remember Like always growing up wanting to play with Star Wars toys wanted to like pretend I had a lightsaber but I was definitely judging them on a different metric than I have now for why they were good Yeah, it was very much a pretty lights and colors thing at the time. I think Follows all the beats in joseph cambell. So it is famously reflective of joseph cambell's hero's journey It's got some some of the best lines in movie history stuff that everybody quotes all the time It's got great legit actors like alec anus alongside newcomers. I like great legit actors. Like, what do you mean? The legitimately actors is in they acted and then received pay They weren't they didn't hire any illegal as opposed to the illegitimate actors who sneak onto set just start acting They just pretend to be extras. Oh, hey, the pipe man's in chat. Hello there. That guy. That guy's sweet Oh, hi pipe man. Hello. How are you? Good e-fap so far. Well, that's really about pov, isn't it? The first six hours were quite a disaster in terms of just Dealing with the bob. No, sorry. It's it was jim stealing the other one. It's it my brain registered it as movibob That's terrible jim. You got to get out of that. Oh my god. Oh my goodness And then we moved on to ban Shapira Sorry That guy still make content. I haven't heard about movie or from movie bob in a while Oh, dude, he's the villain of e-fap 100. He's literally in the mean Oh, by the way, yeah, uh trigger have you seen uh the super meme? Uh Yeah, it's like the the trailer for endgame. They've recut it. Oh, yeah, do you uh, oh well Do you see the 20 minute one? They're like the main one? Oh, no. No, I haven't seen that one Oh, you need to watch it Hang on. Yeah, I should be able to I think I linked it in our group chat if I just scroll all the way to the top, you know Oh, okay, but uh, yeah Everybody should see it. It's kind of um 20 minute. Holy shit. Oh, yeah Oh, okay. Good good fucking red Oh, uh, yeah, I'll watch that after I'm done with this. Yeah, everybody is essentially making cameos in it You're even in it and you didn't even know Wow Disgusting. I'll definitely watch it then. I know All right, yeah, here it is anybody who's interested you should check that out put it in a bookmark, you know Give me all right then take it away Like Harrison Ford the initial opening is so good I actually use the initial opening as an explanation of how politics are off to work in a campaign Because the initial opening is all Darth Vader, right? You don't meet luke for the first like 20 minutes of the film Basically the first 15 minutes of the film And that's because you first have to establish the bad guys before you establish the good guys It's a good lesson for people who are running in politics. You don't Don't you you made that up You made that up You just made that up Do we have any other examples that makes this the case? But I don't even I feel like we don't have to like the idea that you have to set up your villain before your hero It's like you can do either Yeah, I think you have to set up your world and your stakes Ideally before you set up your hero, which is the Darth Vader is the function of that I still think you could get away with like, you know if a film opened with just Guy in house And he's in a crazy sci-fi world But we just watch pieces of the world unfold as he's doing his day to day and we get to know him as well, you know You could do it Yeah a lego movie Oh I mean, technically the matrix, uh, we have to know neo first don't we? Yeah, remember Because yeah, oh no, no, there's a cold open with None of that shit makes any sense to us. It like yeah, the first thing that makes sense is okay neo Okay, and then it's only once he's fucking out of the matrix that that Goliath If you ever want to run a political campaign first establish who your opponent is And then it makes it easier to establish who you are and finally as you all know number one, this is not Yeah, that's a bit of a shit equivalency, isn't it? Yeah a little bit Oh, this makes sense for what I do in my life. Therefore Well, you see if you if you if you establish, uh, very quickly and an equivalency In a political sense between the beginning of an empire or a new hope star wars Compare that to a political campaign like the united states of america the greatest country There's uh ever been ever been made probably ever will why may she stand Is not a theory. This is not an opinion. It is a simple fact empire strikes back is the best of the star wars movies And one of the best movies of all time. My father assures me the one people saw this in the theaters They literally could not believe they had to wait until return of the jet I came out for confirmation that Darth Vader was telling the truth people doubted it Even after watching empire strikes back. It's a brilliant movie one of the things that's great about the movies It's really about how han solo is competent and one of the things that that disney has done with the star wars universe That's really stupid is they've decided that basically all the male characters are radically incompetent in the original Star Wars, I mean that's just everyone though. Everyone's incompetent. I was gonna say even the women are very incompetent too I mean it tries to say otherwise But everyone's incompetent. Oh, yeah, according to the films the women are doing great in the men if I can up But everybody's yeah, like Poe dameron did nothing wrong Poe dameron did nothing wrong and yet he was like joel Yeah, poe and joel. They just they need a buddy cop movie. I'm telling you joel dameron Poe and joel The drinker died again. Oh no Put it their job, right princess lea is competent. Han solo is competent Wood skywalker is increasingly competent Darth Vader is competent. It's a bunch of competent people You know what makes for interesting plots competent people empire strikes. I agree. I miss those days I miss those days a lot of older great shit has smart people fighting smart people and it's nice But then also if everyone's incompetent, maybe that would make for a good story too Uh, don't you get dumb and dumb with stuff like that? Yeah, well like jackass Different people who are good at different things working together is something people like them Back is all about how han solo is shockingly competent at all the things he's attempting to do And how he's a rogue and the writing is fantastic Lawrence Kasdan does a beautiful job with the script Also, everything yoda related is just tremendous and of course it has a phenomenal phenomenal score from john Williams empire strikes back obviously number one on the list with a bullet I mean it it is just it is not close Alrighty, well may the fourth be with you and in honor of may the fourth tonight We have an all access live will be discussing all of this to be part of the all access live You have to actually become a member over it. Oh fuck that I want to get more adventure. I want money in Star Wars Hey, man, let's let's all discuss our How rankings with Ben Shapiro live let's do it. Did we I think apart? I think we got one the same I just I like the the first thing I'd probably say to it is so you like the rise of Skywalker and you're wrong Oh man, I'm gonna be like, what does your wife do for a living? Very curious I need to know Yeah, that's it for Ben's opinions on Star Wars. What do you think? Um, I um, I oh, I love it mixed I mean, I I agree with lots of what he says, but I don't agree with how he prioritizes Yes, I feel like what he says and how he actually ranks it doesn't really yeah, it doesn't add up add up Um, so and I suppose There's just so many different things we could do. I think probably I'm gonna have to tag out here. Oh, it's absolutely fine. You're going to sleep. He does. What are you doing? No, I don't I don't want to hold up the rotation I'm just being a good man. I'm being a good man I'm gonna have to jump out too. I have a bunch of shit to do for the channel this week. So Well, I mean it was good to good to hang out for for the for the amount we did and uh, and I see you on 100, of course And thanks for having me. Uh, I'm sure we'll talk again in the future. Oh, absolutely Never see you again Well, thanks everybody Yeah, you will catch you later I'll talk to you guys later. Bye. Mahal over eggs drinker. Everyone else Later. Bye What a nerd Well, I don't even know my name He said he said mumble or something. He was like, yeah, you Sorry, I was silent for the past couple of minutes there. I connection was all screwed up here. That's all right That's all good Wait, mellow you you you you alive now dying now. What's happening? Yeah, I just don't want to hold up the rotation. That's that's all I was uh, I was saying I'm doing the juggling uh Floom out, I guess And I'm assuming you'll be going to sleep before you could possibly uh be Actually, there's some life wrestling So I'm probably gonna be up for at least two more hours and a couple of miles after I'm not really tired right now I'm I'm just chilling. So if I'm just just pop me some messages and see if I'm around still, I guess Yeah, all right When flooms hit the glooms um, I mean It's because there's a couple of people who are Rotating in and so I'm not sure if I'll be able to get you back. But of course I shall if I can Yeah, it's so good. I mean uh tomorrow I don't know how available I'll be the day because it's actually dad commander's birthday in a couple of minutes Oh, happy birthday dad commander. Yeah And yeah I I guess you'll be done when I'm back from from my dad's place I can't imagine or maybe you're just gonna go longer as you always do and it's gonna be 5 million hour long Fapp Fapp you'll say he's a fapp Fapp Yeah, I can never truly know exactly how long these things will go for you Yeah, I mean last time we went 24 hours and then you You went like seven hours longer. I guess I think I even hopped in at the end when you were reading super chest or something Yeah, I'm just imagining how long it's going to take you to get through the super chest on this one It's going to be epic by itself. Yeah I mean we'll do our very very best, uh But yeah, I'm gonna just just cycling grabbing some invites as I do. So, uh, we'll I guess I'll we'll catch you around Yeah, it was fun. Uh, you guys have more fun and maybe see you later. Maybe see you next one. All right Let's go back. Let's leave small amounts of hours. We can get back on. Okay. Okay Slorms later I don't mind hanging out, but if you have more people you need to rotate in I don't mind taking off either We shall see that's actually We oh apparently team halloween is currently wittig Yeah, wow team halloween caught up Yeah, team christmas kind of took it away at the beginning, but uh halloween's just squeaked in the head now Damn, man. How about it? I mean, I knew the truth would get out there eventually. I just didn't think it would be so quickly um Okay Yeah, see this is the thing it's funny when you have Essentially no schedule whatsoever. You just end up being like, wait, what do we even what what coverage is to be done said? Look around see see what see what options we got and I'm thinking with this selection Guess star wars is the best option, right? Out of all the different things we could possibly cover also. Hello. Well. Yeah I mean like if there's one thing we need to talk about more as star wars for sure Yeah Really enough star wars discussion. I am back. I wonder how many how many hours total of star wars talking has been done between Everyone combined. Oh just a few minutes. I'd say What star wars that one with the the snow planet the ewoks It's it's that it's that's uh movie about space wizards for children. Oh, yeah that one the one about space wizards But yeah, welcome back to I don't think you think that's accurate. I think it's more like space monks one like rather than that. I mean wrong class Well, it's wrong class. Don't you know you deem? Space wizards, how dare you um, but yeah, welcome back to efab satan. How do you do? Very good. Thank you for having me back. Appreciate it. Absolutely. Good to be here So we're in the we're up to late now for the european side of the world But america is still in what like afternoon ish It is um close close to evening. I think close to evening So be so between a line between afternoon and evening. Oh people are saying the snider cut trailer is out Are we are we able to watch trailers without getting hit by copyright? The snider cut trailer is only you can only watch it on the dc fandom, which is like um Almost like the way they did blizzcon where you can like buy an online ticket to watch Oh, surely surely there's a reupload on youtube by now though. Yeah, I give it a couple hours at max Is that something we can do live or do we get hit with depends if there's any music I think it really depends on whether we like it or not. So if it's positive We can say up if we don't like it however we're coming right down. It's very good. Very good. I like yes very good We could just uh say the exact opposite of what we think So that everyone else knows what we really mean But we'll get away with it Yeah, I suppose I imagine we'll have to wait a bit anyway Um, oh as go to stream cut for it Oh, wait wait what? For showing the lethal lightning who's on the gaming with geeks channel with me did a reaction on his channel to the snider cut And his video got pulled in like 10 minutes Ah Okay, see well, I'm afraid we can't do that So the snide wait the snider cuts out it's released. No the trailer trailer. Yeah. Oh I think the they've done a new trailer for wonder woman 1984 as well Do we do we have um do we have any news on batwoman season two? Probably sometime that like I think it's eight hours their streams going it started at 1 p.m. Eastern so like Probably a little bit to go and they they only have so many things they could show trailers of Yeah, the best we could do is all of us watch it and I mute it on stream And then we can tell people what we think but I'm at what we'll do is try and do that between stream one and two I think We can Have a chat about it. Uh, do we have a date when it's coming out at least? I assume people are hype. Is it a good trailer? What what chat? What do you think is it a good trailer? I trust chat even though They're of two minds or several thousand, you know I watched it without sound but what I found interesting about it was I didn't recognize a single shot from the joss Weedon cut so well that can only be a good thing I know like I was like, well, I mean seems like it literally making it different and Is there even anything redeeming about the original justice league is like not really Maybe if you remember that the guy who made it made like Avengers and Buffy Well, that's it's a it's an abstract association not anything about the actual content I feel like the killer argument for that is the guy who made Prometheus made alien. You're like, uh Then you're like, well, at least he didn't make alien coven Oh Can you imagine that making those two instant like because he didn't want to do a sequel to alien originally, right? That's why James Cameron got it Because he they would have had him do it and then it's like, yeah, but I'll do two sequels fucking 50 years later Oh, and of course, uh, satan which is better halloween or christmas Well, obviously it's halloween Hands down. I just don't get it Well, am I the only one here with a loving family like I guess Satan you've got a loving family right it's like a whole bunch of demons Yeah, there's nothing more loving than a demon family Stick together Well, I think I put christmas on the basis that it was socially acceptable to drink at like 9 a.m On christmas day, so winner That's a good reason Yeah, things only get crazy on halloween once the song goes down Oh, I mean on halloween. It's it's accepted for for you to drink And it's acceptable for adults to eat candy. So you get both of those But you do it all day for adults to eat candy every time every time someone says halloween Their logic is totally flawed and I it's rags. You said christmas wrong But I like spooky things and christmas isn't very spooky. Yeah, I wait you're enjoying holidays wrong, okay It's all enjoying your excitement of halloween. Also halloween specials are better than christmas specials done at me Yeah, so anyway I suppose The so this this dc fandom thing. Are we expecting anything else from it that we haven't already gone I showed the trailer for a game called gotham knights that seems like it's a sequel slash soft reboot of the arkham games Where batman is not in it, but the rest of the bat family is playable and there's like co-op. It seems pretty cool Is there Bring out a trailer for the suicide squad I believe so. I did not see that. I've not seen it. Maybe it's not been released yet. It was supposed to be There's promo images of um Harley Quinn Again, wait, what oh for suicide squad two. Yeah There's a god awful picture of cheetah Yeah I think one thing we learned from the original uh suicide squad trailer is that not to trust the trailer Yeah Fucking don't Just at all Um So, yeah, we're okay. There's a there's an exclusive sneak peek for the new suicide squad. It's about two minutes long whoa Again, we probably can't watch stuff like that because People are saying fandoms free to watch now I've seen like tickets for it being sold on like steam and stuff So I was like, oh, I guess maybe you can like watch it on the steam client. I don't know. Maybe I just Maybe you can watch it for free or you can pay for it. Yeah, you fall for the scam Okay, yeah, so by the looks of it, there's no actual final footage in it It's just kind of like a behind the scenes feature at just showing the cast walking around in their outfits and falling on blue bags and stuff I always hate seeing that stuff before an actual trailer. It's like, yeah It's like, hey, we're gonna completely ruin the magic before you've even seen it in the first place Yeah From what I saw the of the teaser of suicide squad the new one is uh, they have Harley Quinn In actual outfit that looks good instead of some weird mishmash sort of like a I don't know It's like someone dresser who'd like to play a lot of online MMORPGs is phone like a tin hat and uh, I don't know a blue coat or something like that because it has higher stats or something That's how they dress her in birds of prey now. They dress up like a human being in the in this teaser James Gunn's directing this one, right? Oh Yeah, he's james god. John Cena's outfit looks pretty crap He's kind of got this weird like metal bell end on his head. He's playing king shark I mean, I just knowing what I know about suicide squad characters. I think he would be the one you'd want to cast as a big dude, but Um, yeah, I don't he just looks like a big dildo to be honest. Is there something wrong with that the best kind Um, I mean if you're into that sort of thing then good for you, but um Yeah, I feel like james gunn can take things that would look silly and make them entertaining to watch though Oh yondu's in it. Not the actual character the actor Michael rucker Michael So anyway, I have a video for us. Uh, funnily enough, this is a bit of a throwback I don't I don't actually know what to expect. I've not seen it But um, it's unfortunate Jeff just left because he was here at the inception But it's okay because rags and I were too The toxic brood was coined By a particular youtuber while reviewing I believe tlj and talking about how Toxic the will to become or at least fandom willed and uh, he made a video for the for the rise of skywalker And we haven't seen it yet So who knows what to expect You know, I had to turn down the input gain on his mic I think I remember this guy Oh, and we we might be rotating. Let's find out. Oh, yes. Okay. Well, I'm afraid we'll be trading marks Okay, cool I guess Totally fine, but yeah, thanks very much for having me on. I really enjoyed being here I'm obviously going to be listening to a fair amount of the rest of the show chat Thank you for being so nice to me But I know I'm not saying I'm horrible too much from what I saw and uh, yeah Take it easy everybody. Congratulations on getting to 100. Thanks for coming. You're welcome very much and thanks for popping on Maybe you'll be back. Who knows we're gonna go for another. I don't even want to look how long much longer We're gonna go. We're just keep going. Yeah, thanks for voting for halloween I didn't pay him wrong. It's fine. It's hard to be wrong in a project That's fine Take care Hey mark after dark. What's better? Christmas or halloween? Uh, you already know my answer and I know you're gonna be disappointed. It's halloween. I'm sorry Wait, you think that's a correct answer. You think I'll be disappointed I know that you want christmas. That's what you want to hear. Isn't it? Oh, that's the truth. So we Predicated upon the idea that it's good to tell truthful things and I'll be honest Okay, you know it to be true EFAP 100 has been a rousing success so many halloween votes have come in I didn't even know it's a landslide. I just I guess I'm just the only person with with a wholesome family Who loves him and it's kept up good familial relationships I don't know spooky ween for the win lads. I can't wait for I guess it just makes me appreciate that all the more now. I guess I get it each on my wrist. I pull up my sleeve and it's like I will not tell lies. I was getting burned into my flash I just was screaming Rags stop casting spells at our guests So, yes, uh, wait, so if you if you cycle up a little bit in the uh in the watch together there You guys will be able to find the links you need to get into this We're still watching the Ben Shaparo I think it's french Also, no, we're not watching him anymore. We finished it Oh This is a who's good shit, right guys No, I mean it was shit. I don't know whether it was good or not Goliath there's a reason why I mean there's a reason why ben Shapiro is uh still in politics And he's not the next, you know, nil gaming or something even though we tried his hand at the fiction It wasn't very good. I I bought it and it wasn't very good at all. There's a reason why he's still a portable guy That's like your opinion, man You probably didn't get it. You're the kind of guy would vote that the rise of Skywalker isn't good Well, I wouldn't say that's inaccurate. Hmm I think it's an easy solid. What did you put it at six five? Who was it six? Oof because it did portray the fan at the franchise. I do It does hurt to hear it hurts to hear I was saying The member berries, you know, that's all the all it did was the ruin the entire Franchise by making, you know, Palpatine win in the end and not only win But take all the credit from the Skywalker family. It's uh, Ray Palpatine You know what? Laura's farm hers now a million falcon hers now X-wing Luke's X-wing hers now Luke's lightsaber slash Anakin's life lightsaber hers now Everything is hers now including like the legacy and all the good things that the lights the Skywalker's family has done Even though Skywalker family lost also, I think all the solos are dead also if I remember correctly good That's what you want as a fan That's what the fans asked for Yeah, it was a big I remember everyone wanting to I remember everyone wanting the rise of Skywalker to just obliterate all the great thing The Skywalker family did uh That was it now my my hope was that the rise of Skywalker would end with Luke Skywalker Rising from his bed and saying wow what a terrible dream I just had Yeah Alas Are you guys ready? yes Oh, here we go Oh, hey Fucking copyright shit. What is this? Already a rain quick on the draw on this one. This is a little loud Ah No, please I shouldn't play that one No, it should be okay. It was only a couple seconds Okay, well Why Stop playing the music I'll just mute it. You guys can tell me what I'm safe and I think we're done. Yeah. Yay You have no place in this story. You come from nothing you're nothing Oh, yeah, so for context, I'm pretty sure you like TLJ, but I guess you'll cover that Did he like TLJ? Do you remember Raxus? It was so long ago that we covered this. I think I I don't know I don't I can't remember. I think so I think he did but I can't remember. He was angry at everyone being angry at it, right? It was something like that, but not to me If only we could learn how to watch movies correctly, I think we all be I'll be good to go I just like reviewing Oh my god It's gonna happen Like it's own segment The rise oh my god So we're 43 seconds in and yeah, I was just gonna say look like the time spent here is like a little bit It sets the tone. You guys aren't getting it It's okay when I do 30 second intros if my video is an hour long Not 13 and a half minutes I feel like a lot of movie reviewers are just failed like wannabe movie makers So they take it out on the film reviews. They're just like and they make it as like cinematic and dramatic as possible See I can do it So Yeah, I didn't want to make this video We come to the very view or an apology destroy anything which makes me happy don't sigh when you stop fucking video I'm so sorry. Oh god. This is already. I don't even know who this is. This is already so good Did he just come like what what the fuck was that? It's just it's just funny because I think you could have sighed back in the day But it's too late now people have done it too many times no more sighing everyone stop it no more sighs make me Oh, is this one of the parts where he says I didn't want to make this video Well, yeah, we're gonna see if he says that I don't think I think people are smart of these days not to say that Ow Why is this video so loud already? I know there we go Yeah a couple months ago I saw star wars the rise of skywalker and Is this video gonna be one long sigh for 13 minutes really? I mean that's what the star wars franchise is now. It's just one long sigh Let's go say I'm getting this is good. I'm getting into the feel of the rise of skywalker sighing. It's like, yeah Wanted to love the smoothie but I just liked it why kind of I still enjoyed watching the film and there are things about it that are good But it's not without it's not like there's binoculars or No, the visuals aren't connected. That's just trailer footage. It's just random. Yeah, it's just it's the most dull Why would you assume what you see? Why would you assume what you see correlates with what you hear? Why would you assume that that's stupid? I'm gonna guess that at least Eight minutes of this review is trailer footage Going bold going bold, but I feel like uh, it's not just like looping Just rent the looped trailer footage or just trailer. It's just trailer material I'm ready for the uh, the sad version of the star wars music to play in the back to emotionally manipulate us properly I'm waiting for that to come up We should do like a star wars review video bingo and just put all of these fucking tropes on there He's winning so far. I think oh, yeah, that'll work. That'd be fun. I'll play that video essay bingo, man You can play it. You can play it On its own. It's not that bad of a film What are the parameters? It's not that bad. I mean, I guess we'll find out what his parameters are, but But as the ending to the entire skywalker saga I can't help but feel disappointed at how things turned out It could have been a whole lot better than this and that's also why I don't blame anyone who hates this one It was supposed to be the big finale the closing chapter star wars is endgame only instead of being as good and epic as endgame It just rips it off during I mean Excuse me. Um Yeah, those lines being like, I mean, well, hang on. Okay. I am, you know, everyone's here all the time Endgame was a disaster ending too. I'm sorry. Okay. Endgame is not very well written to say to put it out there I feel like it's been put out there before but I'm putting it out there again Um, yeah unpopular unpopular opinion. Okay unpopular opinion You have to know what the pair you have to preface it like a preface Is it is it unpopular or popular to say that endgame is poor writing in it? I don't know Well, I don't know that the trend on twitter is that you just say a popular opinion But you put unpopular opinion before it. Okay, so you look brave when you say it. Yeah, um It's saying I am I am man compared to I am all the Jedi It's like it does come across as like, oh my god. You got the like the discount store one, didn't we in star wars? What a mess. Ah, she raised all the Jedi and you just got to deal with it like Korra. No Turn the climax and as a whole ends up being pretty Meh when I finished watching the force awakens for the first time I left the theater with a big smile on my face Unpopular opinion. I hate babbo frick Wow, wow, that's just really racist. I can't believe you just said that I mean, I really I really enjoyed the part of the movie of ride the sky walker where his planet blew up But I hate it when it turns out that he survived Well, uh, you found your way in I assume you could find your way back out I'm just saying this I've not really put too much thought into it But I think babbo frick might be the best new character that's introduced in the sequel trilogy Unpopular opinion He's he's pretty good, you know, you like I really liked his character arc, uh, babbo frick I mean like when he was like He was the true main character ideas It was not there about his methods Turns out there was not the sky walker saga. It was the babbo frick sock. He was a true hero From the beginning at the end of the movie when she's like, what's your surname? She'd just go frick Rick What you mean you forgot it is like no ray frick staring off into the distance I always hoped it would be ray plot I mean have some respect for the man who raised you for 20 years, you know I need to see him with plot is like, you know how much I sacrificed That's the argument I always get that she was apparently raised by plot Uncle butter whatever it is because his arm appeared a few seconds in the flashback. Yeah She was sold to he's a quiet girl So clearly he loved her he was like, yeah, I'm gonna take care of you protect you He grew her up. He took you know, he made sure nothing bad happened to her then she just stole his shit and ran away But if you ask me for more than one quarter portion, I would be very upset with you Abby needs all the portions we can Great After I saw this all I said was Okay, it was all right at the time. This has been quite an informative review so far If that's your response, why do you feel the need to create a video review? Like I've seen so many films and gone. Yeah, that was all right Just not making a review to the rise of Skywalker Well, I didn't yeah. Well, you can't just do that. Yeah, look you're a pizza Yeah, it's such a weak way to begin by saying like, well, you know, it could have been good But it wasn't so anyway, I could have wanted to love it, but I didn't I mean it was a seven out of ten movie for me. Why was the morse? I don't know what that means It's like no, I was I was legit gonna say that at the 13-minute mark if he actually says this At a 10 he would have won me back. But now he lost that at a 10 Lost it It's a disappointing ejaculation at a 10. That's the same ranking Ben Shapiro gave it or was at six. Oh Uh, well, he gave it he ranked them from like he didn't give them Another rating that's the worst 10. Yeah It was six on his ranking. So, you know, there's a connection there. There's a through line everyone Ben Shapiro and AJ are connected Conspiracy going on. Yes Okay, it was all right at the time it was a seven out of ten movie for me But the more I thought about it it ended up being a six no more No less Now how oh it's gonna be one of those videos Where you have the tiny the incy-beency little one line you find for that one star wars movie and you awkwardly So yeah, that vaguely fits with the point I just made. I'm just gonna He said no more no less even though he changed it like on the fly Implying that it's a shaky six. It's like no more. No less If if Yoda says it they'll believe it, but if it comes from me, they just won't you know, it won't be the same I'm just nasally movie reviewer number 439. Wow. But did you see my long intro? I can do it, you know Even sounds very disinterested in his own video What I liked about the film first biggest positive the music in all nine films John Williams has there is a video by a youtuber called sideways who helps explain why the music is shitty in this film Everyone should go watch it I was impressed even I was watching and I was like, oh shit. Yeah. Oh I do feel like it is kind of the people that don't really understand much about Compositional music will just say ah, it is good because John Williams Well, you know, yeah, it made me it made me feel good and some of them were like the ones in the old ones. Whoo Yeah Bless us with amazing and memorable tracks. It's been a blast hate for it. Calm down Hearing him compose for these films and knowing that this is it for him as far as star wars is fuck Yeah, they rest Did you do this video as like a project that you really didn't want to do like a school project or something? That's what sounds like. Ah, yeah star wars. Hi, and whoever was pointing the gun at Ben Shapiro is now pointing the gun at this fucking guy dude if If um, if they get John Williams to do it again, he's gonna be leaving the auditorium in like a dustpan and brush Thing he's just like leaving it. He's done Let him let him live out the rest of his days not having to You know carry the weight of every shitty Star Wars film with his shoulders Kind of upsetting but i'm glad he was able to finish it the visual effects pretty sure he didn't Wasn't his son that finished the music or something. I remember reading or brother something like that Almost sitting he didn't uh get it finished It's almost the reason why I didn't actually mind the change in musical styles for the Mandalorian because it's It's not it's not the same music, but it's you know, it's a little bit different and uh, yeah, that's what not to say me Every we can we can they can venture the new territory rather than to stay with the old the same old uh music It's still good I like the music in Mandalorian that is not what I would call an issue in Mandalorian Yeah, I like the music in Mandalorian. It's good music Yeah And sets were still amazing and I got to get the vfx team Props for being able to insert carry fisher into certain scenes Yeah, good job necromancers I don't know. What do you guys think that's a big fat no from me. I fucking hate that It just I mean it look it comes across as awkward just a really awkward dialogue Time that means we're blood brothers How can we how can we somehow get these lines to fit in with the current story? It just it was just you could feel them trying to make it work It wasn't seamless at all and it would have been just better off without Oh god that scene where they're talking like right here. They were looking at Where they're having a little back and forth and she's like tell me what to do leah And it's it's literally cut like a fucking tim and erics kit when they take like the bloopers of like the actors and just force them in Or something it's just like these it's clearly like leftover lines that they're just Putting in they're just getting on it. They're just making it work the best they can It was like the bit where it where leah's like oh do me a favor be optimistic and they have to construct a scene around that Yeah So you're saying instead of their Felt like one that made it in Oh It's like right we need to get ready to doubt a droid so that leah can say never underestimate a droid Well, I'd seen that scene And then it's not relevant to anything that happens ever Because it's in reference to the because originally in uh force awakens We were supposed to cut to the rebellion or the resistance Soon after the the original pose scene where he's captured And then they're like they're talking about what what they're gonna do because I think the opening of the scene is like Poe has been captured and the the the place has been destroyed and then They're like, uh, I think they know that bb8 has the droid and then they're like, oh, we're fucked And then she's like never underestimate a droid and so I'd seen that Clip already in relation to the force awakens critique. And so when I saw that in the film. I was like, oh I know where you got that from It's even more awkward. What do you know where it came from? It's uh I guess props to them for like the technology of it and the painstaking hours It must have taken to get it all done. But Jesus Christ. I would have preferred not doing it Oh, yeah, it reminds me of the fucking the room the flower shop scene Bye doggy That's me. You're my favorite customer. Okay Oh, hi doggy. Bye. Bye doggy. Hello a dozen red roses, please You did that so well Oh, hi, Johnny. I didn't know it was you. It's just there's just no emotion Is the flower shop lady the person who does these videos Sounds like Exactly like her The dialogue may be unnatural, but making it work into the narrative was not without effort Oh, yeah, okay. It was good because effort they failed, but they tried Therefore it's good and I like it When is it for something new Star Wars is it's just uh movies that give rewards because they tried It's just one big participation trophy It's really sad when you start out your review about a movie and you say let's talk about the good It's all technical aspects. You're just like, well, they did great CGI And like the composing was suitable and like, you know, like it's just it's like you haven't gotten to characters They they managed to Record the dialogue. They managed to turn the camera on the movie Yeah, they the 300 million dollar budget they managed to make it look nice They found a way somehow They had to get real resourceful with this one They had to really pinch those pennies scroung it I tell you what the rise of Skywalker is like the evil dead of the new age Like I don't know how they did it, but There's a will there's a way they also managed to make Leia look like she was mostly there Leia was mostly got a bit this shot is kind of walking. It was like, oh god It was just the front of her face and a bit of her hair. Wasn't it? Oh I'd like to see something like this done again because it's pretty no I'd say kill yourself, but I know that nowadays that's not the end and they can bring you back You have to put it in your contract, please don't bring me back Think about it because now they definitely if you die if you're an actor and you die They can bring you back and use your corpse as a puppet Uh, we're not even that Like do you reckon they preserve dead celebrities and marry and et them around the set? Yeah Look at for the actors to react to well, no, so, uh, there's a there's a movie coming out soon called finding jack which actually stars um James dean, uh, he's been dead for 55 years, but he's got James dean and I was like wait No, I'm not the porn actor The dead guy who's been dead for 55 years. He's no, I yeah, I was thinking of the famous actor not the porn guy Apparently the porn guy named James dean neat How how did they do this? Well, uh, just straight up CGI and old photographs. I think That's fun. Yeah, it's fucking was one of those like, oh god We're living in that time now yeah Would you say that this plays into the themes of uh, uh, rise of skywalker with palpatine coming back and like Oh, definitely never really gone. Yeah at best death is a very, um It's not so much the end of life as it is a slight Inconvenience at times. It's kind of terrifying the like yeah, it really is just a bigger CGI budget. What if Death is no What if i'm a loading celebrities and then using their clones as actor slaves? What if they were like, okay, we won um episode 10 We're gonna bring back the whole original cast and harrison falls like i'm not doing it And carries obviously dead and mark hamels like fuck that. I am out. They're like, we're gonna bring you all back to CGI They're like, oh, yeah, well all of you. We don't need your consent to have you act in our film We've got enough dialogue that you recorded in the previous movies We can just like chop it all up and splice it together into entirely new performances Seeing as they've been paid by disney in the past I think there was definitely a secret like ownership of soul subclause somewhere and if anything they've signed So I don't think they have much say in the matter now Their likeness will just be owned forever by walt and the gang Walt and the gang so i'm looking forward to the uh layer a star wars story, which is just all made of b-roll footage Oh, that's gonna be great. The trailer opens with the line. You've never underestimated droi Pretty impressive also the performances were great, especially from daisy ritley and adam driver speaking of which I really enjoyed kylo ren slash ben solo in this from the beginning of the film I was worried he wasn't going to be a worthy supreme leader But I gotta say he was a very composed and intimidating leader this time. Why I do not think that I would I I say those things Yeah, I can't marry up what he's saying to reality What was the intimidating Yeah, how was he worthy when he jumped on the chain and said ouch Well, uh If you throw tantrums you apparently very intimidating a very intimidating antagonist you have to throw emotional Yeah, like I'm just waiting for this guy to say like I was worried he wouldn't be a consistently written character, but uh, fortunately he was I remember anyone remember how uh Tarkin was he's through emotional tantrums all over the place now That made him intimidating or remember how darth vader just threw emotional tantrums everywhere I know any good skywalker did but not darth vader really uh palatine Anyone remember how he just went off the walls as a crazy person Uh, even the joker is more controlled than ben solo. It's Yeah, it's the sign of a good character though a strong character someone who just flies into a blind uncontrolled rage The moment they encounter any kind of problems and can't can't reign it in Now with those tantrums, that's what we want in a in a a terrifying villain this guy those tantrums and uh, this kills people This is out of nowhere He was slightly inconvenienced though to be fair. So That is true. We're leaving that part out and we shouldn't we gotta be fair remember when There was the the conference the conference room and The guy you're gonna reference the guy asked the perfectly reasonable question and be intimidating The the composed and intimidating leader kylo ren strangled his subordinate for asking such a reasonable quest This is like a Old old two-dimensional comic book villain stuff or james bond villain stuff It's not really someone you want to see and even james bond villains when they do that They're still in control. They're the crazy but they're still in control and that's what makes them scary And kylo ren is like how dare you how dare you break my safe space? I'm gonna kill you now Yeah Even with the mask and his redemption cut even with the mask. He's more intimidating. I feel like the mask is an intimidation Yeah, because I even adam driver has a face that It's not an intimidating face. It's a curious face His fucking mask looks like it was like like hot glued back together with some red like little paint in it I don't it's just Wow, and just one thing at least uh He's has implied he had to have a personality trait Which is far more than what you kind of get with ray because apparently Kylo Ren is a hoarder. I mean he he keeps the lightsaber that's apparently flawed His his helmet shatters and instead of getting a new one He just repairs the old one He picks up all 10,000 pieces and jigsaw is it back together. You have odd prerequisites to be a hoarder Very odd So like I think I'll keep this treasured family heirloom and I'll fix this thing instead of buying a new one I don't know that makes you Him and ray end up being romantically involved because they're both hoarders like a hoarder Scavengers getting married like hoarders I want to keep you Oh A little bit more significance to the plot, but they still handle it pretty well I don't give a fuck what anyone says Kylo Ren has the most consistent art Oh boy You know, I don't care what anybody says when you stop when I don't care what anybody says Stop bullying me on twitter Stop being mad at me because I was happy when they kissed Oh my god. Hello there. Mr. Mr. Blessed Pyteman Vox's productions himself. Oh, hey Hello, all you lovely people at EFAP, how are you doing? Hello Wonderful to see you again. So how do you do? How are you doing? I'm very good. Thank you. Congratulations on making it to a hundred I know it's more fun than you. Welcome. Thank you for being here for our amazing celebration Oh I think I was on the the last time I was on EFAP was actually your 50th. That was the last time I made an appearance Just like myself and uh, what did I do last time here? Oh, that's right. I read I read gay erotica And that's what I can remember before as well as still having that name of blessed python of all the nicknames I could have had blessed python. I couldn't be captain big dick or anything like that. No, that's the name I'm stuck with now Blessed python is a pretty good name considering all the names you could have and I think if your name was captain big dick People would think that's ironic and you actually have a small you're compensating Captain compensation dick. Yeah call yourself captain small dick and everyone will be like oh, it's because he's got a big dick Yeah, I think we better if it was unblessed python or cursed python. I like uh Blessed python to me is offensive. Okay to my people. Okay So, so what's what are we covering? We're uh, we're doing we're doing a star wars. We're looking at star wars. I mean we just well That's new There I don't think I've ever done star wars on e-fap The current coverage he said that kylo ren is the most he's had the most consistent arc throughout and we had to pause the second he said it He hasn't even finished the sentence. Um, I don't think he needs to Kylo Ren is possibly I don't know how he could salvage the sentence from that point He's possibly the most inconsistent. I've been saying mockingly. Oh, he's gonna praise kylo ren for being consistently written God damn. He just went ahead and did it Well, it's it's really hard for him to be consistent because he keeps having teenager mood swings I mean that's why he likes kylo ren so much He'd be my suggestion for most inconsistent character in fiction. Like I don't even know what the hell every scene you're like, what's he gonna do now? But no consistent arc also if you want to because right now it says we've got nine people in the uh wash together So whoever isn't in there including you voxs if you'd like to jump in to make sure I think I am I'll see if I can type something into the chat I don't know what the fuck I'm doing In this entangie changed my mind also that Han Solo scene was pretty emotional I just like it was pretty emotional Okay You could It was really emotional whatever, you know It goes to show how easily people can be fooled It's explicitly a person conjuring up a vision so that they can forgive themselves and it fools people and they think that it's amazingly Well-written deep character stuff. I think that's how tyrants do it. Ah, I feel so bad about killing all of you You did not mean it I forgive you for murdering my family Hello visions of people I murdered. Thank you for forgiving me. All right. Well, that's that's awesome Thank you very much for for visions my psychotic Yeah, it's like what you think I should invade more countries. Well, you know, I wasn't gonna but Han Solo comes to the beverage he's like kill everyone kill them kill them all. He's like dad. Really? He's like Hey dad told me to do it. Okay. Dad told me to go kill out more people. I I was done I was completely done. All right, but it was Han Solo said go kill everybody Hylo was just as interesting as it was in the last one the fight they had in the death star wreckage was intense And that force transference fight they had was pretty intense Also, I was on the edge of my seat He means It's like their dynamic was as interesting as the previous The movie was great emotional thing was cool Emotional intense. This is why you should never take volume when you're about to do a review It was epic I thought it was good Was this video just made for ad revenue? Do you think there's gonna be a segue for skill share or something? You guys Most ambitious RPG of the year But like, you know, you know how he said that the scene was emotional It's like what do you do you want to go into any more depth? He's like, no There was there were some emotions in the scene. Oh, okay. Well, it contains emotions. That's Hate A lot of hatred there, yeah So their relo moment was pretty epic. No, no, no, no that one He actually said no they didn't do anything. They stood there and got zapped Goes they lift their lightsabers that they fall over. That's it That's all that there was the real relo moment was like, oh, no, I you're back to life. Oh, no, you're back to life Oh, no, you're you're dead now. No, no, you hang up. No, you hang up. No, you hang up Dude, I loved it therefore Skype call if if she did kiss him back and he came back She's like, don't kiss me. I want to die. I fuck this. I'm out. Okay I'm trying to think like if you're one of those people that really enjoys like fight sequences and stuff like that Like your bread and butter for movies is like like the raid or something like that Like it's just like purely like action and martial arts and stuff You say like a lot, but you don't often compare things. No, no, I was able to compare I think he meant like we were mentioning Avengers earlier like that That at least like for how bad it was At least you could say that like maybe there was an exciting fight sequence at the end or something Like and that really you like that it's it's great. Um, you got what you wanted out of it What did you get out of the fight scene? I can I even call it a fight scene the end confrontation at the end of this Oh, it was great. It just gets zapped and then she just goes no you and then he explodes Wow, you're really underselling the dialogue there. She says I am all the Jedi and he says I am all the Sith it is very cool You're right. It was really epic out of 10. I'm sorry And and you missed the bit where she did the cross fight saber, which is obviously way better Super epic When lusa luke threw his lightsaber away at the emperor compared to ray fucking Oh That was so much better. I bet the emperor was like go ahead throw it like you lose a Mentor and all the loser jedi and then she pulled out the second one, dude That was Has never ever been done and anything stars before two lightsabers What makes me swim dude? He did that second one. That's what we all learned if he just had that second one If only Anakin Skywalker had blocked dooku's Lightning with two lightsabers. He would have won right there. He would have in in the clone wars immediately Love the trio, man. Ever since I saw the force awakens. I've wanted to see these three interact with each other There's a parody video or something I've really been longing for the main characters to see each other I couldn't wait to see the main three characters speak to each other That's amazing and boy did we get and boy did we get an interaction They had a whole conversation together Yeah, they had a whole conversation two of them kind of hated each other And then the end they hugged isn't it isn't it great watching them try to condense like Three movies worth of character interactions and development into about two minutes of dialogue Love it I don't I honestly it made me wonder why other movies waste all that time Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah talking to each other and doing stuff If that's all it takes for them to be friends, they must be besties with babu frick like they probably had just as much of an exchange Well, they probably did have more actual screen time with babu frick. Holy fuck Taking one last look at my friends Hey Go on an adventure fight off the first order as a trio and this movie gave me that You have to wait for the third of the trilogy to have the three main characters do stuff together It's fascinating. Thank you. Thank you movie for putting the main characters together. That's a new one Yeah, this guy's benchmark for success in a film is so low I get it so low the characters meet up and they go on an adventure It was great. The character is so unconventional Yeah, and all the characters remembered to breathe. I was really invested in that Very much very realistic. Not all though. I think they all had faces. They walked around We remember correctly What the fucking titanic I would have liked this movie existed This movie exists. Therefore, it's good. I mean, that's where their standard is Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is better than the movies that don't exist We got a new star wars. I don't know. I don't know. Movies that don't exist yet Are usually pretty cool because it's your imagination Movies that don't exist yet have potential whereas this has no If this one's done, it's finished. It's squandered it all I also love how we get to see almost all the characters from the originals Luke and wail and no wedge I didn't Dude, this is disnoyed behavior. I can't have this, okay I got to see the characters. This movie's awesome. Ed characters in it. Awesome. Oh, dude in that shot as well Han's skin and his hair don't have a clear line between them Some people have scuffs like that. That looks like bootleg handicam footage for sure Well, I imagine this, yeah But fuck it out. It's like they had the characters from the other one. It's like we really are scraping the barrel now Even Han Solo, let's talk about the title. A lot of people are like, why is it called the rise of skywalker? Ben Solo barely contributed to Palpatine's death Oh, I was like talking in the video. That was weird. Well, no, he didn't it's not that he didn't contribute He helped I don't really care that it's called rise of skywalker that much. I whatever Like obviously it's referencing Ray rising and and does the skywalker right? Is that it? Are we doing it right? I genuinely don't think they put that much thought into it. This is like a designed by committee name It's like this was a holdover name and it's like we'll think of something better later and then they absolutely Couldn't They just did replace it. They're like, oh fuck We forgot I guess we had to stick with it now Yeah, I've got a clip of Kathleen Kennedy and someone asks what the title is about and she's like, uh It doesn't actually mean anything And then she just throws out a lot of words. I think it's it's provocative, uh, you know, and it leaves a lot of out of questions Yeah You're the CEO They got a bunch of uh, fucking People in a room and just sat them down and they're like, right right loads of shit on the board and we'll pick the thing that people vote for the most I can picture being like, oh fuck off. I don't know. Okay. It's Rise of vader skywalker death star palpatine sheave Are you happy now? We just went with search engine optimization that was it so what what people what do we will search for a rise? Okay, and skywalker. Okay, put those together I I wouldn't use search engine algorithms because they'd be like, okay, what do people think of them do star wars? They just type in your chicken google. Okay. Our new title is Ray rule 34 don't know what that is, but that should be a good title star wars. I think star wars rule 34 Ray rule 34. I think it's provocative. I think it's uh, very very hard It's like order 66 that's star wars. Yeah. Yeah, fuck it Ray 69. Oh wait, hold on. Oh, no One of them just mix the old names together and call it the return of the sith and it totally works Yeah Yeah, and yeah, and it actually fits with what happens in the movie And you could argue it's like, oh, it's cool to combine the two finales to the third finale name any The sith of the jedi skywalker The sith of the phantom returns Or it could have been uh, the clones of the jedi I guess no the return of the clones. I mean the clones of the sith. Oh my god What about attack on the skywalker? Palpatine and all evil people running away and fear like They're coming A new palpatine Star wars all the jedi. I mean technically all the fucking jedi are in it Last skywalker. Well, he did perform a good deed by helping Ray defeat the emperor and reviving her life force If anything he hurt because palpatine sucked his life force power out. Yeah, it's all very weird Yeah, he did the opposite of what you would call contributing Oh, no, he contributed just in a different way Oh my god Ultimately, it doesn't matter because emperor wanted ray to strike him down and she did Yeah, or he wins So he's gonna be an ending where ray looks over his shoulder at the camera And then we see a smile and her eyes glow red or yellow Whatever it is and and we hear palpatine's laugh and then it goes to Oh like those like the thriller ending Exactly that needs to be the ending I'll tell you what man. I'd be like, maybe episode 10 will be interesting. Who knows? That's a stupid fucking loophole I would I would have liked her at the end when you've got the ghost luke and lair staring at ray I would just like ghost palpatine shows up and goes, excuse me folks. Let me get through here. Hey granddaughter I guess we're winning this one. What are you two smacks doing? I wanted ray turned around and said once more this body feels kind of weird It's interesting. Oh, I've got titties. Oh, is it very interesting? Well, as she's as she's a vaporizing him. He's like, blah, blah, this is actually good, by the way Actually doing this Did you catch anything about what I said earlier? Now I am on the sit and all the jedi The final scene of her force sexting with the uh, force ghost of uh, kylo As she's um, they can be together forever She's vaporizing him all the jedi like quite gone and mace windows stuff. They're all like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Oh, you What are you doing? It's like they're all backseat game. It's like, no, press that Really? Okay. Well better reload the checkpoint Ray kept the name Skywalker alive by adopting the name But to me the title wasn't just literal remember that scene where all the ships showed up at the end? Yes, that's the rise of Skywalker This can't be real, this can't be Well, um, the rise of Skywalker was with us all along. It was the friends we made See all that ship that star war It's kind of funny because the first order can't go up But the other side is supposed to be the rise of Skywalker and like that's kind of kicking them while they're down You know Is how we're going to win in the end? Okay, not by saving what we love but loving what we hate Or killing what we say saving what hate we we hating what saving Skywalker Or kissing kissing the sith on his face Oh Kylo goes into smoocher, but he's transferred his energy into her. He's like, dude totally gay If he's kissing Ray and she's got all the jet on it, isn't he technically kissing quaggon yoda? If he kisses Ray and it's like Good lips Although also also technically most recently his own mum Oh This kiss is a bit too familiar. I'm gonna I'm gonna disappear now I wonder at the end is all the ghosts pop up like mace windo and quaggons like no, it's not too good of a kiss It's all critiquing him and shaming him and so this is not that great. What's going on here? To be fair leo could be like, well, this is not the first time I've kissed a family member Oh Is royalty uh, she's probably used to like incessant stuff that's not too bad for her part of the course All right then yes, so now that we've got to that point, let's continue Yeah Or rather the rise of hope I thought I was gonna say rise of hope That would be so ain't I just it's like, oh, yeah It started off with the new hope and now we're at the rise of hope like where have we gone like in a journey I feel like we're not making steps forward Hope itself is inherently like a rising thing It doesn't the rise of potentially something rising in the future. This is pre-rise Blood pressure is rising Of the rise of blood pressure Which is bad for palpatine, I imagine he's very old in that weird clone sort of body. I guess I have terrible blood pressure That's what a big machine is. It's just one giant needle. This is my blood pressure I just picture it happens. He goes to a new clone next day. It fucking conks out too. He's like, these are the shit What? Why do we make me so shitty and old? Can I have a young clone? You think I'd be in charge of these decisions, but apparently I'm not You've got three of them. Can't you just like mush them together to make a complete one? Maybe you could have like a scientist there being like, well, we could put you into one of the snook ones No Failed palpatines Though that's a whole separate thing, dude. Look you're making up these issues. It was clear in the film. There's no clones. Can you believe that he's confused? I know it's so I thought it was so clear. People are confused with how this works. It's so When I saw the jar of snokes, I was like, oh cool No After snook died, no one even really mentioned him again I forgot about him. Yeah I'm floating smoke torsos hanging around on exegol palpatine kind of forgot about snook And it's kind of forgot. I also I think palpatine is working with the same company that did bachard's clone Or his synth body because they just made him old. I can maybe young Nope, sorry. You have to be old. What if you were making this mistake platinum package? He's just got the bronze package where you can only get like old bodies I'm sure making in star star ships is probably pretty expensive. Yeah, that's where most of his resources went I suppose he just had a little bit of budget left over for like corpse revival Every time because he has like three palpatine clones ready to go and he's like, look this one's pinky finger This one's wedding finger and this one's index finger or tizmy if you take all the good fingers and put them on one hand I'll take that clone Good fingers One came to create when leia and the resistance called for help, but luke showed up and inspired her No, no, no, everyone was confused. They were like, what's happening. Is he a is he a spooky ghost? I was under the impression that lando went and fucking rounded everyone up So I just I think that was it. He was supposed to go off and find everybody. Yeah Is the rise of skywalker Confirms that in the previous movie luke could have gone there in a very real corporeal form and done that He just didn't He couldn't be so that involved so he went so he went there inspired hope and then fucked up again So he could kill himself by astral projecting To fight kylo. Yes I kind of want to start with spin-off where it's called pimp my clone and um, you just uh You get a clone body he's put It shows you putting cool things a tool attachment to your clone and you can say spirit can inhabit a really awesome clone But paladin didn't want that. He's too cheap um Evan and roger said they said everyone was afraid in the rise of skywalker This is after the presumed hope is born from luke and tlj but also Um, I stand by this because I think I mentioned in the critique It's just like, you know the word of mouth sort of shit after a new hope You're like, yeah this band of x-wings fucking rolled in blew up that bitch. It's completely gone the empire They don't know what to do And it's so crazy because all the groups got taken out There was like these couple of fighters left and this fucking smuggler dude like the other story like he came in from nowhere He's fucking oh it was and he landed the rock compare that to So luke like arrives and he gets shot by loads of lasers But he doesn't die and you're like how like all 8080s like well because he wasn't there You know, what do you mean he wasn't there? He's like what? so Like yeah, wouldn't you lose hope you'd lose hope How do you explain this story? We're fucked. How do you explain this story? Like imagine you're a first-order trooper and just someone at a canteen is like so what happened I don't really know like he was there, but then he just disappeared and kylo was confused. We were confused We forgot that we could track the hyperspace track of thing for the falcon So we lost him like it was all just a mess like we don't want it's an inside job It was an inside job it's conspiracy Well, I mean they could even spin it in an almost positive way where it's like, you know This Luke Skywalker guy appeared for like a couple of minutes. We killed him Yeah, I faded away into nothing and then we carried on with our offensive operations as normal and pretty much killed the entire resistance Yeah, like wait you let the falcon go The fuck cares about the falcon is tight I'm now completely instilled with hope because some guy Basically did like a fucking hologram dial-in He did a light show Yeah, we're going to bother to actually go over there Yeah, let's rub him a little bit from the Millennium falcons I'd love to hear them talking about Finn as well. It's like, oh man, it was crazy Like one of these guys was kamikaze and right towards our Death Star canon, but then you wouldn't believe it Some other asshole crashed right into him And then like one of our guys The boy just came in at the side, there he is There's the one who fucked our friend It's still our dinner atta And we felt so we felt so sorry for them We didn't even shoot at them as he was dragging her back towards their lines I tried to put a mercy shot in her, but they wouldn't let me It's just laughing and drinking over this story We've officially banned her from going on missions now. She just has to stay at the base It wouldn't it be funny if they waited until he pulled her right to the entrance of the door It's like this comically huge amount of flash pile fountains that just goes everywhere And they're like, oh my, I was like, Finn, Finn, what is the goal right now? We have hope, we have hope Yeah, Luke is out there doing his thing and Finn is like They kill Finn and Rose while aiming at Luke, but it was just an accident It goes through it because he's not really there It's not really there That would be funny I'll hide behind Luke, he'll protect me Yeah, I am so fucking tired of being told Definitely Luke actually came that's so Luke-like of him and so brave I'm so tired of being told that it wasn't the destruction of Starkiller base that inspired people It was Luke standing around and then disappearing Why? Because you know they have those kids reenacting it at the end of TLJ And it's like, what story are you telling? Like what was it? What do you think happened? Once the guy never appeared, he's like a doe, but like it's never really arrived He's never really arrived I know that reference because of Buffy And everyone is waiting around for some hero to show up when he kind of does But he never really does They just kind of imagine him that he does But he doesn't And so the story I guess is running in to be a hero and then just kind of running off and disappearing And letting the bad guys just carry on what they were doing in the first place Unhindered Gentlemen I think the message would be It's okay to do magic tricks to distract your enemies Like if that's all it takes All they had to do is go to the casino planet and find like the vagus magician equivalent Get a couple of those guys, stick them in front of Crate And just watch the tube and be like, oh they can put a magic chair for us And they fuck off out of the back I was just like Like oh where'd he pull that orange from? I didn't even say oh my god From the um Oh we can't shoot these guys No these rebels we're not that bad I want to know how he did it Come on I think we're running a break Let's go shoot From the perspective of the stormtroopers by the way You look at uh Kylo and Lucas had his back facing to them and Kylo put it put his sword through So you you got all of us like say we're all the stormtroopers go Ooh Oh that would have hurt Then he pulls it back and then Luke disappears like oh I guess he killed him Yeah Like he stabbed him and then he disappeared Yeah like Hey that's just like that thing Darth Vader did to Obi-Wan Exactly like from our perspective we would just be like yeah he killed him And he just sort of took it He was kind of weird though He was expecting more I have to popcorn and everything While the lightsaber was in him He was just standing there like a legend He just took it He just he was like yeah fuck you I'll find But it was weird though And he definitely lost Wow I can't believe trying to kill me while I'm awake Kylo oh my god Kylo I'm sorry about that whole sleepy bad dream thing No He doesn't apologize to Kylo at all Yeah that was the thing the fucking clip if you guys have seen it out from Sam Whitwell where he's just like what the fuck was Luke doing on craig? He's like you came to save my soul No You want to follow that one up Luke with any kind of like insightful remark? No You want to say some why am I saying or He's being a wiser guy He's like everything you said was wrong Commit genocide Luke will forgive you But Luke has a bad dream about you You better run away Oh god yeah That's when you know you're doomed Just you go to sleep on like a little like armchair near Luke And you're like hey don't do anything okay He's like what Don't just don't You just have to put like a little sticker on your t-shirt Like you know please don't lightsaber me in my sleep In case of bad dream please wake up do not stab In case of wet dream don't even approach me Old man Luke at a nursing home just watching other people sleep Just nervously twitching his hand on his lightsaber like Oh my god so many of them are planning a genocide It's like Luke Chill the fuck out Like Luke they're seven cooler Just twitching in his chair he's just so amped He's so ready You know the desire to kill younglings is rather than the family Aim to create when Leia and there's this before we go on I was going to say gentlemen I'm gonna drop off now Yes sir But it's been an it's been an honor to be part of EFAP 100s Well done for making it this far And I've lost track of the number of EFAPs I've been on But they've all been great fun Oh it'll all be on EFAP.me they keep track of that shit They'll never let you forget We will be going for a while I don't know if we'll see you on the uh the back end or not But who knows maybe our cycle back around You know no one no one's really gone Indeed we look forward to the CGI face of you plastered on someone else's body He held the little bottle What do you think critical drinker Scottish slags Oh my god man it's like I'm talking to myself You uh you should go check out that meme though the link I gave you because there is There is a little moment with you and uh Scotland this is pretty amusing I think you'll find Yeah yeah I'll probably watch that when I sign off But yeah thanks for having me on guys it's been a pleasure Yeah thanks for coming dude great having you on you bet Yeah I'm looking forward to it sir all right see you later guys Bye bye see you later Well He's a nice gentleman oh yeah he's actually drunk We we want him drunk okay that's how it works Help but Luke showed up and inspired hope now in this movie when Landon includes people That's what they told us Shut up that's that's how it works okay Hope should be less confusing I hope it's like a sun okay Hope is hope isn't hope fuck shut up Hope is like a near perpetual nuclear explosion Hope is like the moon somehow Hope is might as she just said fuck off Poe what he asked her questions I'm the admiral I don't have to answer to you piece of shit I think I'm pretty sure the writer Skywalker is a genius movie because it adheres so tightly To the age-old writing advice of tale not show Tale not show yes Well to join the strike on Exegol people showed up and I feel part of that was thanks to Luke's sacrifice Luke Skywalker inspired hope and that hope rose in the poor survivors yes To get like if you were in a canteen and someone told you the story just be like what are you talking about And some of the guys like I'm so inspired you're like by what what what in this story even makes sense Yeah Disappears like you would lose hope if anything if anything gone that was just pure Demoralization Oh Luke Skywalker. He disappeared. You know the guy who could have probably stopped. Oh, yeah. He's gone. Um, who've we got? We've got this girl Don't know who she is, but she's really powerful. Yeah, she's great. She can move mountains We got Jimmy in the back Jimmy. Yeah. Yeah, there's Jimmy. We got this furry thing I don't know. He needs to know Han Solo Yeah, we got two gay robots. They may come in handy a half dead vietnamese girl Um po who's who's really good at yelling ray That could come in handy. Um, yeah, because we do have a ray. They pair up right So so yeah, there might be a problem there, but other than that plenty of hope we got stock fulls of hope We have an army. We have a ray Oh To be fair, ray is all they fucking need, isn't it? Yeah, this is like a living nuclear bomb With heels She's a floating tank cross-sabering healer There used to be a time where we could say well, at least she can't fly She flies now she flies now She flies now She can email lightsabers to people with her mind I just realized this is the same universe that forgot about everything that happened what like 30 years prior, but like four people Remember what luke did right in this moment and the whole universe is inspired by hope Yeah, well, so I mean in that same cantina that guy's like that story doesn't make sense And some other guy goes let me tell you an inspiring story But a lucky group of rebels that took on a giant space testicle and they're like, what are you talking about? You don't know shit It started way back and the the the space the the republic sent these two jedi to oversee negotiations for a trade This is old jaja old bad jaja telling the story Yeah, I guess you wouldn't do an old jar jar Misa going to tell you something Misha Shut up crazy old man. He's like you shut the fuck up Misa telling story about piece of meat and jedi What do you think the likelihood of an old jar jar cameo in a future star wars property is do you think it's on the cards? I think they should just go for it at this point for the lels might as well Hmm He's just homeless homeless bum telling everyone how used to be you once used to be a well-respected I used to be a well-respected senator Sure, sure. I had a I was a general. I had a promising military and political career I held the jedi fine the city people trust me best friends with Darth Vader when he was baby I Was like Tells so crazy stories. I knew Darth Vader as a child. Yeah, I know What happened to all of the plasma shit that was happening in like the fucking prequel trilogy? You don't see any of that anymore in the wars All those fucking It was That just kind of disable everything Those were pretty neat. There's Well, so here's one of the issues with the fan of the rolling droid crabs like what happened to them Oh, I'm sure they're still around somewhere They were like really effective. They're better than stormtroopers. Why why aren't the empire? They were pretty good first order investing in those instead of stormtrooper mark two Stormtrooper mark fucking zero. There's a shit mark two imply some kind of an upgrade. Yeah Fine, so they're just got a different helmet prototype of stormtroopers They're just the seasonal variant So I said after the clone wars they demilitarized robots Is like well, that's not true because in Mandalorian we see them with weapons guarding ships and stuff. Yeah Also, we had them used as bounty hunters in the ot Yeah Oh boy Massive armada of ships showed up rise of hope Hello, also. Hello CJ. How'd you do? Hello guys, how's everyone doing? Hey, it's the great We got the band back together again. That's an achievement unlocked surely we finally we finally got that crossover Yeah, you fap and tgp bde aids. We we did it Oh boy, we're talking about the star war. Yes Well, this now we're talking about the rise of sky The worst Star Wars the worst of the wars Um, if you want if you have you got can you see the link to the to the thing you can jump in and watch this video? I I am in I'm wearing to go. I Oh well Let us continue he's talking about The the rise of skywalker is represented in the ships at the end coming to save the day. That is the rise of skywalker The grand hope of rose when the massive armada of ships showed up rise of hope equals rise of skywalker. Wow Yeah, so if we randomly change the words, yeah, one thing does become the other that's right If you force it it works. Yeah, if you just change all the words the constitution does become twilight Yeah, sure Oh, shit, right number changes. It's value numerically. Here we go. Here we go. We've got to do the thing So I'll ask in order. They arrived vox's productions What is better? halloween or christmas In what sense as a no, you don't get to ask that which do you prefer objectively? No Sorry We see halloween has a very dark aesthetic which I like But at the same time there is the seedy element of it where it is basically home delivery for pedophiles so halloween Is a bit dour in that regards christmas Used to be good, but it got very commercialized and in some ways you can't even call it christmas anymore You have to call it winter fest or some bollocks like that And also it promotes obesity um so Why why do you have these houses on halloween? Hmm. Why do you show up at these houses on halloween? He's the one that lures the kitties with candy. Yeah and cigarettes Come here children. I've got some malbras. I think I left the wipers in the back room. You've come this way I've had some change in my pocket if you just reach on in there It's like an all-you-can-rape buffet That's pretty much halloween Isn't it? So i'm On the one hand, everyone hates looking forward to christmas because you think oh shit. I've got to buy gifts I'm gonna say I'm gonna say I like christmas because that lasts longer halloween's what just one night It's four hours. Yeah, and everyone thinks fuck that. It's the month and you're all heathens So Yeah, and also halloween is one of those dirty pagan festivals. So fuck that. So i'm i'm gonna have to put my lot in So you're choosing christmas on the basis that the duration is longer Yeah, it's nice and also it's more inclined to get your family together and family is more important than sweets Thank you so much. Thank you so much for saying that. I feel like i'm like an alien on a different planet You are an alien you require a particular time of year to get your family together you weirdos Halloween is more efficient than it it only takes it does all the joy in just a short four hours And then so much better in this fast-paced world we live in today. Ah shut up. You all got daddy issues Says the one comparing halloween to pedophilia, but all right Yeah, you enjoy your pedophile holiday I'll be something to make nog and you know watching some good tv This is a cool halloween I take it you didn't like it when santa emptied his sacks into you then I was more impressed that you managed to fill my stocking Yeah, what is it? How can you say that about halloween when an old man breaks into your house in christmas? Sneaking in the children's rooms and leaving behind presents MTA is sacking the children's room For something else So CJ same question Uh Well, it's in my name. So I hate them both um If you've ever had to work retail over the christmas period Yeah, I I used to work in uh sainsbury's and they used to play like the christmas music Oh my god, but not only but what's bad about it is it wasn't just christmas music It was the same christmas music over and over and over again Worse than that I was also next to the tv department. So they'd have the christmas ads on Over and over and over again It's enough to make you start want to stab everyone in the building. Um, which is why he no longer works at sainsbury's Also, I don't get as you know, I don't get as many presents at christmas anymore. So These are the shittiest reasons for halloween Excellent reasons the commercialization of halloween Christmas is a big downfall I would say a reason for it. He says it's because he doesn't get as much presents anymore. Oh, we can If we offer you presents for christmas, will you join the christmas crew? Don't accept that bribe have have a back No, no, no, no, you automatically assume the worst from people from christmas and that was literally a bribe I have a bribe with anything we're just saying come and come and be on the christmas side And we will give you things for making that decision I sat on santa's lap one too many times. I can't bear it again. You talk about the first thing that popped up Well then one vote for halloween one vote for christmas You know, you can You you could just bar your windows i'm sorry, but the halloween party's a better. Oh, yes How because halloween is better halloween is legendary statements are incorrect They're built on faulty premises foundation of your love for halloween is flawed one and that's all i'll say Also, I like all of that was built on a faulty premise. That's acceptable during halloween You can dress up as fun characters whereas christmas is not so much you can just put on like a silly hat You can wear it You're gonna have to dress up in your costume and stay indoors. Anyway, might as well do it any other day of the week Everyone the only costume you can wear now at fucking halloween is a hazmat suit Everyone's gonna be going out in hazmat suits. What do you you can paint whatever picture you want on your hazmat suit Yeah, oh and also At christmas you can dress up our Stuff like that so dick flap hazmat So if you have to see the rest of your family on halloween, it's only for four hours instead of christmas We have this deal with them like what a week. I mean it's I say we have a bunch of People who yeah halloween. Who does that? Hopefully nobody Who worked for halloween who visits their family for halloween? Who does that? I do skeletons? Uh They're not people snacks not real One day my family will be skeletons. Yeah, and then I hope they will visit me on halloween God, I hope Gulp's bride will I don't know whatever skeletons do we can all go boning together Go boning christmas a halloween movie or a christmas movie Is what a nightmare before christmas? It's Because it's about a character learning about the christmas spirit, which is amazing and it fixes everything Now that's some naive shit right there. It is all liking holidays wrong. Yeah, you're liking holidays All right, we're liking holidays It's a Rise of sky waker. Also. I think halloween movies are better than christmas movies for sure That's a halloween Christmas only has like diehard that's it christmas is trash diehard the christmas movie Diehard is a christmas movie and i'll fight anyone that says no I mean you can argue that it is set during christmas But it doesn't really embody the spirit of christmas and it's not really does though Technically eyes wide shut would be a christmas movie. Iron man three is a christmas movie Do you not show your kids that every year? Eyes wide shut Look kids. This is what happened on epstein's island We're drunk every every day every year christmas. We're gonna watch cuties. That'll be great Have you guys talked about that yet? No, but The sake of whatever the hell is going on with it right From what the word on the internet is that the film isn't some horrifying Piece of shit that the netflix made it look like it is. That's what that's what i've heard apparently the film itself Is supposed to be commentary on how bad it is that Younger and younger girls are getting sexualized and stuff and so netflix I don't know what the fuck they were thinking like you I think they did it deliberately to cause outrage to increase that Surely it's not worth the risk, right? I can get them in loads of trouble Interesting strategy Get toward a certain demographic of people that no one really wants to talk about all we have to do is You have to just upset mums if you upset mums the internet will all look at what you're doing Well, the issue is that they upset people because they painted it as something that's legitimately like awful In their description and stuff Didn't they Yeah It's weird they painted it as this weird anti-conservative thing And it was just so What do you mean like because it said it goes against the parents wishes or some shit about It's her breaking away from her traditional religious background like it means it's working and it's like Isn't it really mature audiences It's a yeah, it's really mature. It's not a kid's thing see that is That's the part that really makes it horrible because then you can have pretty much anything happen that movie commentary, so anyway, right? Yeah Oh, wait, we do that snacks. Did our snacks been? He's a I was halloween. Yeah Uh before we start quick question though, what do people think about valentine's because I find valentine's the holiday That's depressed I have no issue with valentine's day not very good movies You know, you know more couples break up on valentine's day on any of the day of the year I like when you walk down the high street and you look into restaurants And you see all the couples and some of them looking pissed off as fuck like they're looking at their phones like yeah I'm having a great It's definitely a dog shit hallmark holiday created just to steal money from people It's not yeah, I don't I don't I don't buy into it at all I swear like no one here is in a relationship. They don't they have broken families. Everything's so cynical and it's My family is fine. They hang out all the time on halloween It's also commercialized. It's made to break up and they just want to sell you chocolate and then is Besides we don't need to date women. All I need is a sock and some warm mashed potato I Rags you like mashed potato, right? That was the whole match potatoes. Yeah, the whole drug stream you were talking about mashed potatoes I like I like mashed potatoes are really good I enjoy potatoes mashed and as fries and By the way, we've got we're gonna hit our cap by the time we get to the we got to carry on with this video Otherwise, we might not be able to finish it. So let's we can do this. Oh, no What is the callus? I was so we're a we started at two. We're at 12 to 22 10 22 and we go to 11 55 So we've got about an hour and a half left But I'd say probably an hour because I don't want to risk cutting anything off You know put it too close so we can do this this this video We've only got eight minutes left Let's discuss my issues the pacing especially in the first few minutes is pretty rushed first few minutes Whoa, I mean What happens in the first few minutes isn't it just kylo in the first few minutes? It's him meeting palpatine Yeah, he's fighting on the pacing is rushing the first few minutes forest and then They don't meet the spider oracle. No and instead he meets palpatine Um, I would have said the pacing is rushing the first fucking half or the whole thing really not the first few minutes That's a weird one full of exposition and throw so much at you that it doesn't give you enough room to breathe I feel 20 more minutes I will movie for me remember we were talking earlier about which ones were the longest So the rise of skywalker is the longest star wars move 36 minutes, wasn't it? But it's yes, it's by 34 minutes It's the longest star wars movie and this guy's like yes add another 20 minutes I was gonna say as well the The whole like you can't process enough. I think I talked about it on our first dream about it But I was trying to think about something stupid. They said in the movie And then as I was thinking about it the line about how we can't do the holder maneuver was being talked about I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, like I haven't even processed this fucking other thing Like now you're doing this like I need a second Yeah, lots of shit gets thrown at you so quickly at this movie Added to make it neater also rose. Why did they sideline her so much? But they didn't even try to fix her or do anything with her they were just like yeah, no get in the gutter I mean it's the quick They've got a whole nobody's worth of problems to repair I think that the quickest and best most efficient way to deal with her is to just fuck her off completely because We don't have time to waste Well, evidently evidently we do because the whole movie was a fucking waste of time, but Damage control an effort was made In this movie after her big role in the last jedi. Oh, come on. If anything, she should be part of the main crew She doesn't know I mean what? Sabotaging the mission Look we as he stated It's actually harassing her colleagues our main crew Our main crew hadn't even had a scene yet. Let them fucking talk to each other. We can't deal with this. I'm sorry Rose you have to wait till next movie She's just been been bumped down back to janitorial staff or something after what she did Finn was about to save everybody's life and she's crashing to him She's been jail Elizabeth I I do out of morbid curiosity want to see ryan johnson's episode nine just to see what what crazy shit He would have done next just like do you think he would have made rose and finna thing? Not hearing a no Well, it sounds dumb. So probably yeah, probably No, I think he try and subvert expectations make make something different happen make both of them gay I Tag along for the ride seen the dynamic between all four of them instead of seeing her being reduced to a spec analyst She's not a main character Well, and any she would make a really good spec Yeah, they didn't do enough with the other main characters. There's no room for her Stop shaming spec analysts though. That's fucked up true Yeah, I mean if they can't handle the characters they have don't add to the pile Maybe if we add more characters, we can't handle things so people get so confused. They'd stop caring Everyone's braze just shuts down. It's like, yeah, I guess Like what about the holder maneuver that jaja was like, yeah, kind of we are used to that. We're like When was jaja here? Don't think too hard about it. He's been here the whole time In the middle of the fight is like there's too many of them and he crashes. They're like, oh, no plot And then force go ghost of young anakin appears It's like how the fuck does that make any sense? Like don't think about it. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine Is rosa general in this movie? I general annoyance fucking hope not You could have had her in the falcon with po and fin in the beginning of the film that way she could take a second There's no there's no room let's let's not no literally no no no and we can get some cute banter between fin and rose He was he was shocked disappointed and confused that's what happened there. He said he had banter cute banter What what was the cute banter when she electrocuted him? Yeah, yeah, that was that's uh, it's always funny band what was it Didn't allow him to complete his redemption arc and sacrifice himself to save everyone. I mean, it's He he was willing to which is good enough for me But is that cute banter though? That was the question him dying That's what I was thinking in that precise moment like this is this is pretty cute banter with him like plummeting towards the It's funny to think about like She's like I saved you silly or or dingus whatever she says and then She establishes, you know go save the things you love and then you just hear the cocking of guns And they're surrounded by stormtroopers and then it pans away and you see a blasting I I don't know why she didn't like Just push pal patine out the way when he's getting electrocuted if she's so good at sabotage That would have been a really good subversion of expectations. Uh, no, you're not other jedi. See I say pal patine now. He's gonna win Quick question Yes, you know, you know that line where they're like, oh the whole we can't do the hold on maneuver because it was a once in a Million shot or whatever. Yeah, do they ever do they ever then say why because I don't remember them ever They don't explain how you could possibly even begin to fuck up something so insanely and they fuck themselves, right? So keep this in mind It's it's absolutely adr because the person saying it is is like off on their own It's it's uh, mary and then the response from fin is not fin It's it's somewhat like we look at other people while fin is saying it It's like, hmm And then you consider at the end of the movie the hold on maneuver is being used like over end or or something And so of course The fucking geniuses at lucas film were like, wait, why wouldn't they use that against the people on uh, exegol and they're like, fuck Throw someone in there. Fuck. Uh, fin says it's one in a million. That'll do Which to be honest with you. I'm surprised they did that Yeah, uh, it means that a million people tried it and that was just happened It happened to be the one The time where it worked and that's why they named it after her The hold don't maneuver Don't you see it at the end of the movie though? There's like a split ship. It's like somebody did it Yeah, that's what I'm saying is they they so I think the film is originally stood They did everything the way they did it and then someone was like lul Let's have a hold on maneuver at the end for the cool special effects And then some guy was like, wait, why didn't they do that on exegol? They're like, oh Oh Oh, yeah, it's gonna be mr. Abrams Mr. Abrams, why didn't we all they had to do with this the stupid way that they cover up plot holes It's just have it go. Yeah, we can't do them on that planet. Just can't sorry Okay, well, all right then It's possible at that range. I don't know whatever it's a it's a cybelea planet. It has sarab Couldn't there be a line where they say, oh no, we can't do that because Holdo had like a prototype engine that could do that and when that got destroyed we couldn't make any more technology died with Yeah, or maybe or maybe because the ship that she used was quite big and she used it against another ship that was also very big So it's much easier to hit The opponent when you're doing it, but if you try and do it with I don't know fucking x-wing Yeah, I don't know or not cause enough damage I feel like it's not worth the sacrifice Oh an x-wing hyper based kamikaze into a star destroyer would destroy Would it though would it smash on the outside it would if it's moving that fast I mean you could calculate how fast a dragonfly has to smack into the windshield of an 18 wheeler to destroy it so An x-wing would fuck off a star destroyer The this is the the two the two forms of hyperdrive are the ports itself into another like A dimension of space then ports itself back out or goes super fast forward Which people prefer the former But it looks to us that they're doing the latter in the last Jedi and so it's like okay Then so it's about it being fast in which case a coin can destroy a death star if it goes the right speed Can't wait for the next trilogy where the whole coin launches Well, this is why all the fucking problems came up. It was like there's so many questions now and they're like no no no no No, it was just invented like just just just invent humanity never weaponized things. Don't you know Fleet of ships that can do that and then fit them with droids that have precise calculations and this launch Thousands of ships just read your enemy An early naval warfare was built around the idea of ramming into the other ships Like it's like the first thing you think about No, it's no, it's true. It's true any other ships were like I think I can just picture like there's this general like the they establish hyperdrivers travel and like so cool Don't weaponize this and the general's like, uh Okay I will I will not do that There's been some sort of like intergalactic war agreement that says you're not allowed to use that maneuver. You can destroy planets Planets it once but hey, you can't run into me. That's a war crime. You can destroy planets as long as you don't speed Yeah Can you imagine that you you hyperdrive off and there's a cop who goes He's still slowly following the trail It's a big like a bagging limit for hunting animals, but it's for planets every war you could only destroy like five planets Stop that. It's just full of speeding tickets for all the times he tries to hide the lake Imagine being like the first dude you're on carplot and you're like, wait, what if we use it for like Hitting people and some of the guys like what? Yeah, I'm the first dude to think of that. Oh my god. Wow, one quarter portion for you There are about a couple of moments in the film where Finn and Rose interact in a way that they're still dating But are trying to keep it professional on military grounds That's some that's some wonderful inference there my dude I made non-canon like they were just uh, they were just friends They didn't even think they were friends at this point. They get a bare minimum of interaction They were amicable I just like the idea that he says that to JJ rooms like I really like how you handled the Clearly invested in each other like they're romantically involved, but they're trying to keep it professional and JJ's like Woman but yeah, and she wants to focus on her career with the resistance But Finn, I mean, he's just a lover, you know, he's just a lover and Yeah, absolutely. I'm glad you picked up on that Ryan Johnson just put those two characters together and said okay now kiss Can they have real chemistry between each other? Oh, what do you mean? I loved every scene where she's like berating him and oh, it's so great I think I'm like a it kind of like a it has to save majesty and Genius as Picard But by the end of the movie you have an on-screen kiss with two random characters. Yeah And it got cut information territories because they don't like the lesbians. So Yeah Yeah, I I really hate that they did this Nobody like this everyone is annoyed. It's like, what are you doing? Commit or fuck off The the difference between this is in the whole fin What's your name rose thing is that if you just randomly see two people you've never basically seen before kissing You can be like, okay. Well, they're they're clearly in some kind of a relationship and they're kissing And that's what people do to show, you know affection and happiness and all that bullshit but You have when you when you have fin and rose Like if they kissed it be weird because we sort of know them and we sort of know about their relationship dynamic So that would be really odd. It wouldn't be like two random people Sometimes you could hurt yourself by giving information if you want that kind of a payoff Does anyone watch back through the trilogy to see if there's any kind of like, uh, You know background storytelling going on between these two individuals Um, I'm like anyone's caring. I love the idea that it's all told in the background Like I swear the woman on the left has like one line Oh, yeah, she's the one she's the one who says they've heard us and they haven't responded or something like that Yeah, and she introduces holdo as well. I think she's like layers second in command maybe She does crop up a few times the other lady had to watch all the old fucking films But yeah, yeah, she's just she is a character. The other one is a random You go all the way back to phantom menace and just scenes in the background They they catch each other while in university in the next film You see them sitting down to a meal the next film. They're like Watching a movie together the next thing you're just like, oh my god. It's so beautiful Admiral ackbar and then we go through the rest of the story That's that's the Yeah, why they did everything that they did I was gonna say when you say like the the plan was to kill ad rock bar and take his play To be fair, they might not even be a couple. She they could just be really really horny Nothing wrong with getting a kiss in there, you know when the when the victory happens Yeah, before the ptsd sets in they realize they've killed lots of people So it should be mentioned. Pippo is clearly not happy. He's very sad right now. Look at him They could even potentially be new dread eye who are just trying to transfer life into one another Yeah, I'm sure they use that line all the time. Yeah, I'm a Jedi come here. Let me give you some pounds So I have some amount of experience when it comes to transferring life into another person It's done Unless that's how the lesbians do it They have taught you We need no man I am no man That aren't important to the story so why not give them an on-screen kiss nobody wants to see that stop it We had on screen. They already had one. Nobody liked it Nobody liked that Of all the things that would improve this movie that is not one of them There's a poll to vote for yes or no of them to kiss and yes is just faded out Also finn looked genuinely confused after that kiss that was not like a reciprocated like thing He looked like you have a concussion girl like yeah, it was it was like why did you do that? Oh, yeah, I needed the scene where he pats her on the head. He's like good. Okay. Well, and he goes, aw Oh, thank god By the end of the film or something If kelly marie trant requested to have a smaller role in this film after all the unnecessary bullshit She got after the last one. I'd get it and it was jj's idea or disney's I don't think reducing her to a background character was the way to go Also finn doesn't really do much in the film Does anyone Character technically except for ray like ray's the only real character Everyone else is there to make sure that we know the audience that ray is just awesome Well, if you remember, um, their whole goal is to get the McGuffin the muck muffin. Sorry Um, and once once they get like everything leads to that they have it ray just fucks off And so they go home like you need to remember from the pov of all of our heroes They they went home with nothing at that point halfway through the film. They got nothing Um lucky for them they plug in d.o He has a bunch of useful information which again really well written. I have to say So yeah, they are useless They're just along for the ride ray is the one that the story is like cares about these guys can fuck off I mean sure by the end of the movie He's proven to be a very determined leader while also leading external troopers into battle He clearly was another front of that Okay, yeah Uh, okay, I'm sure you could be a really shitty and also a really excellent determined leader Um, there were determined leader sides. I like the idea that it's like what a great leader if they had tilted their ship You all would have died Great job It's leading ex storm troopers. I think they were pretty committed themselves. They didn't they didn't need much of a push Also, what if there was just spinning? Okay, I was I hear there's a really good trick What if there was a storm trooper with a minigun in front of him right now? Down they go. There's no Well, just a couple of banana peels Whims banana grenade is great Yeah, a legion of these storm troopers cattle prods is going in and fighting off the calvary charge What you gotta do is spook the horses and they're fucked. Yeah. Yeah, just yell Zap the horse a little bit and they'll run away and the others probably run off the ship Zippity zappity Horses are clippity clapping Wish I thought are you having a stroke? Yes, that's about the best thing they've gave him to do Also, apparently he's force sensitive They could have done something with this how cool would it have been to see finn try to crush the command deck using the force? Wouldn't you scream what the fuck is going on? I would have stopped caring by that point. Oh my god. The idea that he crushes the top of a star destroyer just off hand He's like, let's do it. It's like, oh Might as well work. Let me use brain power. Remember when I was Spanish, but that would be entertaining though Let's be honest. I agree. I would have laughed really hard Yeah, I think for the wrong reasons. Yeah But it would give give e-fap an extra couple of hours to digest that I couldn't finn just I don't know snap its fingers and the whole thing disintegrates That'll work. It's funny to me that like, you know, like when you have a group of friends You're all just back and forth and about what could have happened in the movie And he's like, yeah, wouldn't it be cool like finn just crushed him at every one of the tables like no They slab there. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And he's like, oh, okay I don't know. I just thought it would be cool Everyone's saying g'dell bit All right, I'll move what is that line that he's just said where they could have done something with this I think that's kind of like the store of the entire sequel trilogy. They should have done something with this It wouldn't really cool if they did that What if the communist force crushed hitlers? Sorry, I don't fuck it Uh Even if you all those hate crushed in the force I think even if you hate the force awakens or like that at least it um I'll say that at least it set some stuff up that could have even if it was kind of shitty like I don't know. They could have they could have done something with these characters. It was it was pretty flawed, but like Yeah, I will I will back that horse. I will say you could have done something I know it was it was a shit. It's like your car is all You know making horrible noises, but you could still you know, it's something they and then someone just pulled lava all over it Well, I guess it's fucked now When's the next g'dell that's april? Mupa's working on it. Okay He probably wouldn't have been successful, but at least he would have done something with it Runeboy did something with it Runeboy did something with it He just tried You gotta tried at least yeah How would we know what he was trying to do if he didn't succeed in doing it? Because you see the windows clenched his hands and like stared at the star destroyer and then nothing happens The camera would aim right at the thing and then someone in there would be like sir the windows and they're like And then finish it Ouchie I like I like how he's yes people in chat are like what the fuck he left broom. He's like you did something He did something Kind of wanted for that for them to like you get these CTPO and like just Unlock that little thing so you can access the sith language and then he turns evil and starts snapping everybody's necks That wouldn't cool. Yes. It's so good Actually C3PO getting turned evil by this this all this fuckery And when they put him onto the the umpire ship and the door opens the storm She's like, who are you and he goes C3P Oh, and then just kills them all and then it turns out that From a rogue rogue one like a Darth Vader scene with C3PO just murdering everybody And the uh, it turns out that babu frick was actually the phantom menace all along He's inside C3P operating waiting for the opportunity to babu frick was the secret sith all along. Yes We know how to make good stars. Okay. These guys know I would I would have thrown the baby out with the bathwater, you know the scene with the giant snake Uh, rape powers just fail her and they and she just gets eaten by the snake and the other two are like What the fuck do we do now? I thought you said rape powers fail her Rape powers Uh, she's got so many fucking powers. It wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me. I mean she can do the hand wavy, you know, uh, mine tricks So she powers are not things you would learn the such powers are not things you would learn from a Jedi C3PO being more involved in the story was a welcome addition, but his subplot makes no sense His subplot makes no sense It's like the opposite of the things we say it's fascinating Oh, the the sword dagger nonsense. Yeah, okay. Well, at least you picked up on someone Like he's exactly wrong Well, I mean this shit doesn't make sense if he's referring to the fucking crazy ass knife carving But the the fact that he Would sacrifice himself essentially to do that. That's I mean that was Fine. I don't see how that was. Yeah, I'm okay with him doing it The part that was weird was what he was like. I want to take one last look at my friends like fuck off C3PO None of these people like you. They're all horrible Yeah, like I said to be really cool I'm gonna take one last look at my friends before you do this because then I'm gonna go and kill you all Uh, so I want I just want to remember Everyone before I start snapping their necks and going evil. That'd be cool because he knows what happened But he can't tell them maybe he can't tell them for some reason Clue to finding this wave finder that leads to exegol, but his programming forbids him from translating the cis language Maybe she wrote it down. All right real quick. First of all, I agree. Maybe if he's gonna write it down Wouldn't that count as translating though? What about no, well it so if the point on a map then That's all kind also kind of technically No, no, that wouldn't count as just taking the information and transferring it into another Think about it, right? You read directions in french and someone says can you read these directions in english? And you're like no, can you point to the map which is a neutral element? It's not like you could have a map in french that you That language into another language that the other person understands just no, I still wouldn't be able to say the word Yeah, like you so french language says go northeast and then you point to northeast on the french map French language would say go northeast And then yeah on the map and then we'd be like, oh, it's a french map But we can totally tell where in the fucking star system that shit is And he's actually been shown to point on maps previously in star wars movies. So they fuck now It's all over Can point Story has been So he's so terrible. It's been destroyed by the fact that a character has ability to point it Dude, you say that as if we were already at that point with the whole they don't know which way is up thing We're already there I'm just picturing if c3p or raising his finger upwards. They're like, wait, is that is that he's like up Droid to translate which way is up We only know which way is up in french It's built by anakin As a kid, right? So how would he well, of course, I see this is where I give some benefit Like anakin i'm assuming gave him like a standard ui or software thing that comes with its own Restrictions or whatever, but it is a weird as hell This isn't even the answer that the film gives its own answer for this the film says The new regulations by the republic made it so we can't read Shit one second And it's like the idea that cp if you can only point in french or something Why would we even mention pointing of course chat is going nuts And a new meme is born No, no, that's an old meme It's a it's a meme that breathes new life every time pointing comes up They've got they usually have the nerd person with the pointing now they got a robot with pointing What language are the pointing in is it french you better be french i can't tell i'm not fluent in french pointing Actually, we're not allowed to translate. We're not allowed to tell you what language we are pointing in It looks like It's very english pointing I mean, I guess in some languages they probably point with a different finger Maybe because it's rude to point with your index finger. Maybe perhaps just point with a fist Point with a thumb point with an entire fist at where x-a-go let's please You can do the hot cold shit Like hot hot hot colder colder Fuck it. Let's just move on so they go to kajimi to find a black market droidsmith named babu frick. Yes babu frick The best character in all of star wars. Oh, that's amazing team frick most in-depth character The hack into his mind and the downside to getting him to translate the language Is to wipe his memory. How would they get the translation? One could argue that the memory wipe took place after the translation process But it didn't because there's a brief scene where we see babu hack into his mind And as soon as he says wait, I just remembered there's something else we could try His brain gets fried And the fact that ray walked off as if to say yeah, I can't be here right now In the case that the c3po they remember was in that instant gone His memory was wiped at that exact moment before the translation process It doesn't make any sense as to how they were able to translate it from a memory that doesn't exist I mean, I don't know how it makes any sense, but I mean they seemed If they transferred all of the data in his head into another system Well, no, the impression I got was that he there's like a baseline UI for protocol droids and then the personality comes on top of it there to delete the personality because if you remember Immediately after he sounds very robotic compared to normal. Yeah Oh, wasn't there something said about how they constantly have to keep resetting them because they come like sentient or some That's I don't think that's in That might be in solo it's either in solo or something in the eu But yeah, like the idea is that once droids live for too long they start, you know Because he had his memory wiped at the end of uh revenge of the sith, didn't he? Yeah So it's not supposed to be there It wasn't like this at that point if his memory he's just gonna have r2 restore it later Why kill Chewbacca if you're just gonna bring him straight back Why fucking do anything if you're just gonna immediately do a full u-turn on it All right, all right, let's discuss the sith lord in the room. Shall we shut it after seeing the first trailer I was honestly excited to see palpatine again Why You're the problem Don't validate it, man But after seeing the movie I really wished they hadn't made that move What were you hoping for what did you actually want to happen? What were you gunning for like what would have happened that would have made you say? Yes, this was we got it Like it played out pretty much how it could badly He sat there being evil and he was he gave the same ultimate him kill me and I'll become Yay, and then they kill him and blasted his own face up with lightning again He did all the typical fucking palpatine things Looked like he was enjoying himself though. His performance as always was excellent And he was mostly creepy in this but they barely explained how he came back And he was mostly creepy That's what I want. It's a weird point of You know, he was all creepy, wasn't he? Yeah, did you forget the bit where he was really nice? Mostly creepy a bit nice sometimes I don't know about palpatine being in this. I just really want to is he creepy? Yes, I'll watch it I mean mostly creepy and that's why he didn't like it. He should have been full creepy Yeah, appropriately hugging his granddaughter. Oh my granddaughter Give me your power Oh I'm going to suck all of your power Where's your boyfriend as well? I want to suck his power too I'm going to suck your both off This is what you're referring to where this was the not tweet with aphrex He was not creepy. He was menacing. There's a difference, of course Sure, we found out he made snook But what about him? How did he come back to life after being thrown down an elevator shaft and blowing up? Hard to come back from that one. Let's discuss the I think he was hoping for the scene where they flash back and they show him going down And he hides in a little compartment throws out at the gas grenade it blows up And he's like me and he's like, oh my god, it all makes so much sense. That's so good It's science fiction guys. It says science fiction. It says you can do anything with science fiction. Also canon is stupid Well, I mean as the great quintineous once said it's only a sequel if you interpret it that way I'm not too mad about ray palpatine because ray being the granddaughter of palpatine And kylo being the grandson of vader makes the two a dyad in the force Oh Yeah, I was gonna say they made that up. What do you mean? He says that like it's two plus two is four sort of shit He's like it causes big sense if you put that the the chess pieces are all coming together and you're like, no That's just something they said happens. Well since when was the force dyad a thing? Yeah, no characters have actually referred to it did palpatine say hey I'm gonna I'm gonna have a grand kid and you should have a grand kid and and and they should hook up Yeah, you know no because because you know we've been looking at all time. So let's keep it going But I do wish that they kept her a nobody not connected to the original films. She was more interesting as nobody So many mixed messages from you. I don't understand what's happening anymore Palpatine, I I feel like he's written a bunch of star wars opinions in a hat and just picked them out and been like Yeah, this is what I think So you made this video the same way they made writer skywalker. This is so Yeah, this is actually like a Method video We all know why they made her a palpatine Rains and Mary Sue fuck this feminine. Oh my goodness Hey, look guys, it's us In fact, Mary Sue's the epitome of Mary Sue's array now. Okay. She's more Mary Sue than any Mary Sue I've ever seen Yeah, she's I would say she's a template Or a Mary Sue Well, did you not see that one scene Of the movie where she's training for like 30 seconds Oh She climbed a thing. Yeah, she climbed up a thing and then she was in the desert She did a very basic obstacle course In the third movie after she's already lifted half a mountain and be a walker We gave her the ability to fly I just like the idea that you tell people she's finally defeated by kylo and a fight like oh, wow This is after she's trained. Yes Okay, and got work She got worse after she trained like it's just the opposite of everything She redo everything so when she absorbed the wisdom of another of another normal person she got worse She should have stayed the way she was she was already on just keep keep downloading shit. That's how she did it, right? It's going to head butt laying get all the knowledge from her brain Yeah And then when luke shows up the ghost, she's like, let me grab your brain He's like no Can you download it yourself from yourself? What if you like like uroboros it just just download and reupload to yourself until you it doubles up Like pokemon like you you duplicate shit I think This propaganda shit. How's she doing that without training? Ow. Yep. Okay. Yeah, don't do that We've we've said this before random loudness in videos not the greatest choice. Really fucking annoying. Okay? Also, I've got more hair than that as well. I don't think this is a nice depiction Yeah, it's not a pizza. It's not a dog. It's not satan. It's not a gas mask. It's not a puppet It's not a rat. So what is this like? What have you done? You know a hell of a bit that we expect a hero to have some sort of training in a hero's journey We need to start making such outrageous No, because that's sexist. I love the idea that they're at a round table It's like, what if the training makes them worse? I'm throwing a fastball at you JJ. I would really have expectations If I'm practicing me too worse. Yeah. Yeah, I get that. I couldn't actually see that happening really They'll never bitch to have characters get training. It's a drill. It's technically happening to JJ Training just makes you worse naturally Only one who should have a connection has been solo the last skywalker plus rape Palpatine doesn't sound right for some reason. Yeah, it doesn't sound right. I don't like it What are these no part of it? What are these reasons like I don't like it because they'll just roll off the tug like, you know Derek palpatine does I feel like he's he's like he's on the right track. He just doesn't he doesn't know what component piece is to go for It's like that's fucking the words themselves. Dude. No one fucking cares about the words. Come on But it doesn't sound right. What name do you think would sound right? peter palpatine Oh, you have to be something made up wouldn't she doesn't work either his actual name rabie one kanabie Rumblo palpatine rumblo in the jump Rain pipe man race for palpatine What about any tap lap palpatine And a tap lap that sounds bad. How was it? In the top lap palpatine history in palpatine Ray Kenobi has a way better ring to it even race solo you race skywalker Why kenobi? I mean they do make that a thing at the end of this film. Yeah, they say palpatine You shouldn't give them suggestions Stop it I was all for the whole ray kenobi thing before the third movie I think Ray plot as a lot of people have suggested is the way to go I just really liked the idea of um a kenobi raising a skywalker and then a skywalker raising a kenobi I thought that would have been really sweet But now she's a palpatine I think that's bullshit. It may seem that way since ray's dark nature is alluded to in the previous films Not really he's just like hey go look around she does and he's like no not the dark place. Oh, well, it looks kind of interesting I'm just gonna walk over them. He goes The same thing as well, um any impulse tracks back Well, but the way it's framed in the empire strikes back is that um, it's a test And it's something that luke is dealing with in his own head and he failed like he he chose to destroy Then he became that which he was trying it's there's a lot of good shit going on in that one With with it It's like you're playing with lego and your dad is like don't touch the darker pieces and you pick one up Like why and he goes you fucking idiot and slaps you like what I don't understand like what what did what and you just like I've never seen such power I just imagine this man looming over his child like just live the fucking jojo menacing like meme shit Never seen such power leaves the step on the lego She walks on the lego and doesn't feel a thing because she is the chosen one But it could have been just foreshadowing for her turning to the dark side Instead of being related to palpatine. Also, how the fuck did leah know that rey was a palpatine? Just she read the script we mean She snipped her midichlorians. I don't know Yeah, no, I mean she didn't I mean, I think she was the only person that didn't read the script to be honest because she was actually dead So, all right. Well, um, a lot of people have said Sorry luke said right uh that that they both knew all along which I imagine rewatching the sequel trilogy would be quite funny Knowing that but I mean, you know give her tell her maybe let her know give her a don't know what they plan What if you remember when she's like moping around crying like oh my family when will they return? It's like no, bitch. They're you're a palpatine by the way lol Leah's like hey go go meet luke at the end of false awakens. She sends rey. It's not like it never came up in conversation But also wouldn't have luke killed rey on the spot because we know how luke responded to uh kylo having bad dreams and rey slept on the island as well So at no point in the last dinner does she get skewered by luke and if he can if he's all knowing sensing It none of it makes any bloody sense. It's an arse pole Well, I just think it's that evil solar blood in his veins I made him evil because palpatine palpatine blood. That's fine. Solar blood makes you evil Yeah, remember when luke reconnects with the force in tlj and he like he seems to contact Leia I picture they were having like a conversation. He's like, do you know you sent me a palpatine? She's like, yeah Wasn't it funny? It was like a prank. I sent you a palpatine luke. Ha ha Leia I threw the lightsaber away and then I sucked on an alien's tits and it grossed her out. You should have seen her face She's she's gonna go save kylo or something. I think she's just fucking with me. She's clearly evil So what you happen she hand me the light my lightsaber and I threw it away It was really funny because I had your lightsaber in my hut the whole time Like uh, I just pretend I didn't like lightsabers for some reason when I threw it I had attached a string to it. She thinks it went over the edge, but I still have I was just I was just doing a bit Wait, wait, it actually means a lot to me. What what do you mean? She's gonna be the one that saves the resistance What I thought it was a meme. Why would How now I'm also not too mad at the fact that ray killed palpatine because one she had to help from all the jedi No I mean, why did they do that? Uh, any other point ever throughout the entire history? I thought he was gonna talk about it from a story standpoint not a mechanics one Like can it make sense for her to defeat? It's like we already she's already super fucking powerful Who cares like the idea that she's gonna beat him. He's like, yeah, but she has all the jedi. It was like, oh for fuck's sake The problem is that he's alive in the first place the fact it was joked that she would kill palpatine We found out he was in the movie and it's like, oh she vaporizes him But that's happened to him twice before so Then the kind of I think they kind of looked at jokes people were making I thought that was that those were actual suggestions What'd be a palpatine zapped the entire fleet? Oh, that sounds good. Write that down. Write that down Yeah, they're all laughing and laughing and then jjs was like They just didn't pick up on the irony and loads of people were liking it because it was such a bad idea Yeah, he tells his like producers like they were laughing so much the the ideas were that good They were shocked at the greatness of the ideas Okay, what's that my my checks cleared great cool wrap it up. I'm done. Fuck. What else can I ruin? Oh, yeah, well, what is he getting his fangs in next? Yeah Fuck I forgot what it wasn't it of craft county. He's produced that he hasn't Oh, I feel this love craft gets shat on like the fucking all the time. Oh, yeah But I was gonna say wasn't it um, he made a deal with uh, was a hpo Satan Well, he didn't have to deal with me. Okay. I was gonna say he would know he's right here I renounce He's all over a bunch of star trek stuff. I cast jj out of my domain. Oh, yeah, super dc dc He was doing something with dc, right? That's horrifying a couple more mission impossibles A half line Someone give me the franchise assassin the contract for dc, I guess And then the untitled quentin tarantino star trek project, which is just going to be an absolute fucking Oh, don't get me started. I can't wait for all the pictures of adion feet And then just saying the n word in space Yeah, you know what they call a hamlet equivalent We call a hamlet on cronos A bat lift with cheese Ah You He's also a palpatine and the way I see it it takes one to kill one So it can't wait a minute. When was that widely accepted idea? So they made that up for this movie It takes one to kill one. No one's ever said that Rags just like this writer chris terrier says he's leaving it to the imagination of the viewer on how luke skywalker knew raise lidiage What? Now that's some quality writing. That's what you know, you've given the fuck up It was like, oh you guys could figure it out Didn't ryan johnson say that about the the third Well, both because there was a deleted scene for lesson two from luke for rey and it was like, so what's the third one? Who's like that's for the viewer Like what does that mean? It's for you guys to think about what is her third left? I know all of your teachers in school had that attitude. It's like, so what are we gonna learn today in math class? It's like, it's up to your imagination Do you see that he's relying on the theme crowd because they're gonna be like, oh, don't you get it? The third lesson was in the throne room. That was the third lesson You're like, what the fuck are you talking about? What bad career? Third lesson was when you stole a guy's name. That's what I'm saying is like when you say shit like this Like, uh, the viewer can figure it out. That's what they relied on the interpretive crowd The crowd would just go like everything means everything. You don't understand. I was right the whole time Lucky me But even if we change all of the information I can somehow keep the theme intact and I'm still right no matter what People is just expansion just just pretend it is what you want it is and see how you feel Oh, that was the best argument At the fact that ray killed palpatine because one She had a help from all the jedi and two how he's also a palpatine and the way I see it It takes one to kill It takes a palpatine to kill a palpatine also a bunch of jedi They said some pretty enthusiastic supportive words in her mind and that yeah, don't fuck up where I did Avatar state You don't understand. She got a power boot. Dude. I love the idea. She talks to etiquette. Like, how do I bring balance to the force like you did? He's like, well I don't well I was gonna recommend throwing him down this really big pit on a space station and watching him explode and then Blowing that up a second time, but Honestly after that I got nothing. I thought that would work, but you know Apparently I was wrong. I think it's reasonable Hopefully you forgot that that melted his face the first time. So maybe It also palpatine isn't even gone now still there's obviously more clones of him elsewhere And he's just gonna carry on X a gold mark too You know the old sith saying don't Don't keep all your clones in one basket On your snokes Also, I just like what she's bringing the snokes in one space jar When she's bringing that up to anakin as well ogre one is like, did he really bring balance though? Did he I don't know Haven't really You asked 10 people what that means bringing balance to the force He's like 10 different answers. Hey mace mace winnow come over here. Do you think anakin brought balance? He's like, no, he fucked everything up Yeah, yeah, interesting. Uh, why are you a la sakura? What do you think anakin bring balance? She's like no Stop it guys If anything you put everything out of balance. He's like, okay, you know what I didn't have to do what I did Hey, fuck you guys So it kind of made sense why they went that round No, but I feel it would have been more significant if ben helped ray kill palpatine Both of them using leia and luke's lightsabers to deflect the force lightning back adam So lame. Yeah, but ben solo's a man can't have that imagine them pushing back and both chanting together We are all the jedi He's actually come up with an idea that's worse than yeah, you'd cringe into a different dimension if that happened Yeah We are all the jedi Overpowers the might of the sith emperor Leaving them both near death and ben uses the last of his strength to restore ray's energy Or maybe the other way around also the ray last one, you know, you're doing a great job of your story It's like this could happen or the completely reverse. I don't know Some people use this as an evidence that uh ray low is a thing but in the book We should like to the the other like to usually you go to the novelizations and stuff To prove that movies were actually good for some reason But the book the novelization of ray's skywalker. It says that it was not a love kiss It was a kiss of gratitude. So there is no ray low ray low is dead. There is a kiss of gratitude. Oh, yes, I've had many Kisses of gratitude That's what they call me. I like I like kiss my family grotitude on the mouth all the time If I for all you listening and then If a woman gives you a quote-unquote kiss of gratitude, right? That means it's ready to fucking step things up to the next level. No not according to the novel It's just uh, she kissed him out of gratitude. It was it was platonic. What you do? Like maybe Like When a lady does that what you're supposed to do is send a letter back a formal letter saying I appreciate your kiss of gratitude I'm respecting your space by kissing your face Hello kiss was highly unwarranted A loving embrace would have been just fine. No, it would have been too much. Let's just take the loving They just stopped to have a little cuddle after No I mean we've been trying to kill each other this whole time and you actually murdered me earlier today But uh, let's just cuddle it out. I guess like what we did it It just gives like ray one last like foot massage She's still unconscious and she wakes and he's like is this weird I could start I don't know if this is weird Because after the kiss he just dies. I'm just glad the super relo fans weren't in my right. I kissed them. I just died Was it a kiss or did she just suck up the life force right out of it? Suck the fucking soul out. She needed women. Am I right? Yeah Oh my god, why? Oh, how could you even listen to this like? I Don't mean to do I don't mean to do a sexism But it's clearly girls that are screaming at what just happened These are the kinds of girls that you don't want to have you give Don't have these girls give you the kiss of gratitude Because then you'll immediately die Why is there no respect for my ears though? Why must you hurt me? What did I do? Yeah, when he looked through this he should know how unpleasant it is to all living creatures And every time they do this Pippo grows in size. Do they really want him to take over the whole screen? I don't know Was that Women at the theater screaming about him in the theater screaming at the kids He was screaming because he secretly likes relo This movie introduces force healing but was actually introduced in Mandalorian first Which I didn't know they made that shit up just to try and justify it enough with that horseshit It was so planned Mandalorian the episode of Mandalorian healing was like two days before Riders Skywalker came out and It wasn't essential to the plot of Mandalorian either. It was just like it could have just not happened and everything would be exactly Yeah, well, well, well healing grief cargo gets them unbetrayed if you remember Oh, well, he didn't have to have gotten that wound Yeah, they could have just not wounded him in the first place Well, but then they would be he would have betrayed him Well, here's the thing. There's a lot of issues with this plot But then but then that means is two henchmen would have survived when they should have because they were just doing their jobs and Well, if you remember he talked to him, you know, the only conversation was I want to free these guys and the Bounty Hems were like, dude, the entire empire is gonna fuck us up if we do that and he's like, oh, yeah Okay, okay, and they just shoots them Fuck you guys should have an issue with but In the grand scheme of things it could have been useful in a lot of situations But there's one aspect of the force healing in this movie that pisses me off Hogan shot in the arm, right and ray doesn't heal him. She heals a fucking snake Yeah, because she's an asshole. I know what's up with that. Yeah, she is an asshole If I could heal people I'd be healing people left and right Yeah, I just give up on my mission all together and just stay back at base healing all of the fucking infantry I'd start a clinic pay what you want. I'd be a rich man either way in fairness. It's not like he's important It's not like he's the best pilot or anything Her using force healing is Makes her pay some sort of price but thing is you don't see her pay a price for it It doesn't even say that she does Scratches her hand. She's like oh my hand One thing she used force healing and she started to degrade or something or like get old like really quickly aged Yeah, or something but nothing happened. They just say that something happens But nothing actually it's another instance of the of the genius of the tell don't show The tell don't show I think be anticlimactic if she only has a couple of heals it and halfway through the movie She heals someone who goes shit. No, I heal too much. I'm going away It turns into dust we're actually getting going a little close to the cap now. It's a little bit spooky You know what we got this and Kylo Ren Oh, I'm sorry Ben solo, but not one of her best friends They're not friends. She hates them Not best friends. They barely even spent time together. They just don't like each other Remember they have an argument at the beginning because that's character. Yeah Could your name just be Ben Ren? I like that better Ben Ren Fuck Ray. He could have died at the Battle of Exigol. He needs that arm to fly She was consumed with revenge against Palpatine for killing her parents. She still she still could have done it Also, there are times where this movie shits on the last Jedi as a response. Yeah Can you believe it? What's just the gall We'd never do something like that. Would we? No, no, no the Exigol Snoke's dead. What now? Pulps made Snoke and has been the puppeteer. You you said you I think the question from earlier is now. Yes, he did just make this video with a bunch of opinions strung together with string Not even string. They're not even together. They're just random Places and then burn some of the pieces and then replace some of the pieces of string with like bricks and paper clips Like sir, we need to make like a board of connections. You got string like a bricks Just throwing bricks at the board This whole time Luke couldn't fly off octo because the X-wing had been buried under water for over a decade Now let's have Luke force lit it up. Yeah, it's a great flight to Exigol. I mean this guy, you know, he's picked up some stuff You know, yeah, good job. Good job Yes, I finally did it. I finally did it. Luke didn't want to leave Yeah, well, no, he decided that he would eventually right. He did it with his projection tisms Yeah Like he exiled himself deliberately. He didn't so who gives a shit Well, no, he's saying he's saying that Luke could have gone to create himself According to riser skywalker when you there's actually um some kind of the the the whatever they release with the movies Those um books They said something like the the X-wing wouldn't have doesn't work properly because like one of the s files is torn off to make a door And and other shit. The implication is that that was it was waterlogged It wasn't gonna work. And so he had to project himself, but the riser skywalker was like lodo Raise a nobody sometimes you don't need lineage to be important to the story She's a alps. You never needed lineage to be important to the story that's retarded I love the idea that people are referencing solo as an important family bloodline It's like what was so important about solo before we met Han Solo Like why are you treating it like he was just a random like why In from rent some dude Yeah, you can't even argue that it's a good bloodline because he got it from a random guy saying they're so low But no everybody has to be from an important lady The solo the solo bloodline begins with Han Solo because it's just a bullshit made of me and it ends with bets One generation's worth of But it's so important to the the poetry of star wars I feel that if they built this movie off of what last Jedi had instead of constantly roasting or retconning it That's what the last Jedi was I'm pleased don't take away the last pieces of fun. I had with the rise of scowl here was roasting tlj It was funny. Let me have it when when he says the Jedi wouldn't do such disrespect to a weapon. I was like Smile I know it's funny in a like kind of macro meta way, but it does make luke appear to be completely fucking schizophrenic. Yes I just doesn't make any sense at all She's like, what happened luke? And he's like, hi, you never spoke to me that was an android Android sent by babu frick Darth Frick Oh, this is I saw at the last Jedi I've always wondered to myself Now that snook is dead. How are they up the ante? Well, not like this. You what do you think you said you were okay with this? Bring back a mostly creepy emperor Mostly creepy does he remember he said he was cool with this he was just unhappy with their execution. Does he remember that? Palpatine's great Palpatine's great and I love him and I hope they bring him back but not like this and I hope they don't bring him back Yeah, because he had a section where he was like, how could they possibly bring him back after saying? Yeah, they brought him back Yeah His voice has a 420 vibe to it. So then that's probably why he sounds tired Yeah, it's like the fact that the uh, they brought back a palpatine whose face personifies What the sequel trilogy is a dead star wars. Yeah I was gonna say he did start this video by coming. So he's probably quite sleepy Poor guy Seeing the rise of skywalker, do I still think the force awakens and the last jedi are good movies? Yes, what about the sequel trilogy as a whole? No, well, I don't hate it I don't hate it seven out of ten One that wasn't rushed or badly written honestly, they should have postponed working on That would fix a lot of things the rise of skywalker was written well and ended the side out in an epic way And do I think that they should have had a roadman suggestion trilogy? Absolutely, and it's weird because you want a well-written movie. We part of toxic brood now, aren't you? Yeah, I'm so we haven't gotten any toxic brood references. This sucks This was the guy who came up with a waitress story where the creepy tlj hater Chases the waitress down the alley with the knives and forks. I want that back Solo to make sure the rise of skywalker was written well and ended the saga in an epic way And do I think that they should have had a roadmap for this trilogy? Absolutely, and it's why would anyone answer that question would know who's asking these questions I just like it when they do this stuff. They're like, do I think it should have been good? Yes Do I also think it should have not been bad? Well, yes, unpopular opinion here. These movies should have been good Unpopular opinion Honestly, the first two films feel more organized and planned and I felt they were headed in the right direction What about tlj feels planned to you? What does everyone say about tlj in relation to tfa? It's like, oh, it just shat on tfa. It's as if there wasn't any plan. What do you mean? Nobody talks about tlj as though it's it follows tfa like if I know but it's it's deliberately Contrarian Just feels off. Well, I watched disney's future star wars films Who's asking this question and i'm hoping after the rise of skywalker just a survey he had to take after he finished walking the movie Will you watch the rest of disney star wars films? Yeah And for those who think star wars is dead after watching this film. Yes, it really isn't we got the mandalorian Defined It's not completely dead. Look here's a spin-off Look, you only got the mandalorian because of disney plus. It's got nothing to do with the fucking films They needed a way for people to subscribe to the shitty streaming service. What brand is popular star wars? Okay, make a star wars tv show. It's got fuck all two of the mandalorian and then unsubscribe when it finished. Yeah And therefore baby yoda fallen order was good All these comments have met with Very soon the final season of clone wars Oh, wow. So, yeah That's one thing people like Well, I mean, oh, yeah, but the thing is so when someone so Could I have said terminators dead after three after four after five after six? It's like, I mean, yeah It depends on what you mean It's a hyperbolic statement because how the fuck does a franchise? Isn't it was never a lie like literally but it will never really die when they stop making it Well, we're we're obviously referring to like damage significant damage And there's no way you can fucking argue stuff because they love to do this 8080 chow is does it's like, oh, it's dead Well, why is there a mandalorian season two? Okay like Money, that's it. You're fucking cringe But I think also the fact that it it but both tlj and well not even rise the start skywalker Mostly just tlj has separated the fandom of this particular franchise like ripped it in half pretty much That's that's an indicator that it's on the way out People who love the the last jedi they hate the mandalorian. It seems like I see so many people who love the last jedi just go and say Well, it's the mandalorian's bad because it appeals to fans or something Oh, well Oh, is it is it over? Oh, dude, look at that gross I'd be interested to read some of his letterbox reviews. I bet they're really well written Also Rags, you know, we've just we're almost at 2 p to am again. We've managed to go around the clock We're close to the actual cap clock tonight And I have to say since there are things to be put in order We're gonna have to we're gonna stop there and then we're gonna have our 20 minutes to half hour break And then we will be back with the ifap 100 part 2. I'm afraid that we gotta gotta get things Running and in order, but what a great fucking 11 and a half hours already. Wow It's only it's only just begun Um, but yeah, that's three videos we've covered. Good job Ben Shapiro and aj and jib stealing We got that. We did seven last year. Maybe we could beat that. I don't think so I've still got some chuck tingle as well I know the way, you know, we'll uh, we'll have a chat in a sec about maybe how we're gonna schedule everything, but um Yeah, if everyone can just say goodbye to the nice chat Goodbye to the nice chat. Goodbye. Bye chat. Bye. Nice chat. Well, bye. Congratulations on the 100. Oh, thank you Super epic. Very epic. Very cool. Of course. Thank you all for joining us. It's been very fun Thank you for having me very silly very good in that Um, but yeah, uh, you'll find part two like I said in like a half hour from now And uh, we will see you there With who knows what? Kisses and goodbye everyone Kisses. Good. Bye. Goodbye. Good night. Good night