 We feelin' real Memphis in this motherfuckin' ass, man. We got the one and only Sean Williams in the motherfuckin' ass, man. I appreciate it, I appreciate it, I appreciate it. With them frames on. I've been in the A too long. Yeah, fuck that shit, man. I've been in the A, and I played for Detroit. You know, they had them buffs on. Oh, they had them buffs on up there. They had them different type, huh? Yeah, with the marble type size. Yeah. They do up there like they do with the Jordans. They're a kid for them buffs up there. So, as soon as you get that, you got to get some buff? You got to be careful. You got to be careful with them. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. So, they ain't got to be holding that shit like they round up. That was probably one of your favorite cities to play in? No, no, no, no, no. I had a ball in Annapolis. In Annapolis? I had a ball, dawg. That's what's... I got drafted by that bird. Handpicked by that bird. But my... Hold on, man. Look, nigga, you can't just speed fan that. That nigga said he would hand... They say Larry Bird won in the best form they ever played. Right, thanks. And he handpicked you. He a gangster, man. Yeah, he handpicked. He told me I had 21 workouts. I worked out with them probably on the 12-1. He pulled me to the side of the workout. I was like, how many more workouts you got? I was like, about nine. He said, you ain't got to go to the next one. I'm going to pick you. I could tell him my age. He was like, nah, you got to finish him up. You got to finish all the workout. But he told me he was going to pick me at the 17th. Like, was it just... You thought it was just like the industry talk type shit? I knew he was serious because he ain't no play-play type dude. He barely talked, though. No, he talked when he liked you, you know what I'm saying? But he like a man, no bullshit dude. And I can just... I got the vibe from him. I was like, I'm telling my agent he's serious. I can see it. He was like, nah, you can't listen to that. You got to finish it on out. Go on to your nine-month workouts. Because something can happen on draft. And I was like, man, I don't want to... I play for Larry. He said he's going to pick me, but I ain't done finishing it. I counseled one of the workouts with Boston. What was your workout like that went with Indiana? Was it long? Was it... I ain't going to lie. It's like he had us competing. It was the weirdest type of drill. I was in there with James White and a couple more dudes. But he was just rolling the ball out. We had to run around the cones and first to get the ball. You know what I'm saying? I'm a dog. I'm like, man, I'm going to kill it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll write up your ass. They'll write up my ass. He wanted to see who was going to quit and who was a dog. You know what I'm saying? You got in the funny Larry Bird story? We probably wouldn't even ever talk. Man, yeah. I got a lot of funny Larry Bird stories. I got a lot of stories about Larry Bird just being a real dude. When I first got to Indianapolis, it was after like the brawl. It matters in the past. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When they were in Detroit. So Steve Jackson, Jermaine O'Neal, they was all in my vest. So I used to come in. You know, you got to get that, the millionaire manners when you come to the league coming from South Memphis. I was still using George's lotion and shit. No, man. That's a real day. I was a baby. Johnson, Johnson, baby. Yeah. I was green soap. Yeah, I was green soap. So when I get there, you know, I have to bow to your hand and shit going to get back rusted. So I'm walking in there. My knee counts rusted, hands rusted, shit. So they like, they just gave me a nickname. We're going to call you ghetto dog. We're going to call you ghetto. Yeah. So the nickname had kind of took on to me for a minute. So Rick Carlisle, one day we in practice dog, Rick Carlisle called me that shit. He was like, hey, ghetto. What? Hey, ghetto. That's crazy. Come do this. My Larry dog. I looked over there and Larry, because he used to sit in all the practice. His face was red as a bone for him. So after the practice, he called me and Rick up in the office. You know what I'm saying? He's like, what did you call him? He's like, ghetto. He's like, that's my nickname. I'm cool with it. Yeah, yeah. I'm just, I'm accepting the nickname. He's like, hell no. You make a million dollars. You make millions of dollars just like they make millions of dollars. Rick, I don't want to ever hear you call him that again. I don't want them to call you that neither. I was like, shit. Damn. You know what I'm saying? Then it was another one when Jermaine O'Neal and him was telling me, you know, because when you were a rookie, you get haze. You got to carry like girl backpacks, but I didn't have to carry that. I just had to carry like some 20 pound poker chips. I used to put that off on James White. But I used to have to be at the gym at 6 a.m. Had to be the first person on the treatment table for everybody, right? So my job was to go get donors. But in Indiana, when I was there, the donor place, the kind they wanted was way by the airport, and I stayed an hour away. So I had to get up at 4 in the morning. So I'm from the hood. I'm smart. I'm laughing. They pay somebody and they start going to kids. I start paying the bar boys. I'm like, you fit that I was going to get these donors. Yeah. And they wanted me to get some body wash. You know what I'm saying? So I was cool. I went to CVS to get the body washers by the house. I brought them CVS body washers in the J.O. stack them, looked at the shit. They were like, man, this shit say CVS. They threw all that shit in the garbage. I said, didn't y'all ever throw that shit in the garbage? So they started putting these pink. So I was like, man, I ain't never going to get that shit again. They started putting pink sheets in my chair where they fined me $2,500 every day. You know what I'm saying? So they tell me one day, there's like, fuck it, since you ain't going to go get it, you got to cut your hair bald. They bring clippers to the locker room. So I'm mad. I'm down at the press. My man ain't got me fucked up. I'm not finna cut my hair bald. So I go to Larry. I'm finna go snitch on him. I said, man, Larry, listen, man, the fourth time I got to cut my hair bald and all this. You might have looked at me. You might say, if you cut your fucking hair bald, if you want to, you ain't going to be on this team no more. So I was like, shit, fuck, I just really threw all my doodas in the garbage after this. And I was like, I said, what about these fines? It's like $20,000 working fines. He got them shit and tore them up. He said, I'm the only person that can find you. So Larry was my dog. Hey, what's up, man? It's your boy Nav Green. And you know what I came to talk about? 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I like Capella with them rebounds. With them assists, give me Trey Young. With points, give me Kevin Durant. I'm just throwing you some options if you want to win some money. Shout out the broken plate. Use the broken plate promo code and go get you some money. Shout out the prize picks. So you ain't even knowing somebody else, they probably would have believed that shit. They would have believed because that's the tone they said. Now the league different. Ain't no vets in the league. Yeah, they done got away out of that. Yeah, because the vets, they bring their coach in there. You know what I'm saying? You ain't strong minded that shit, man. You a foe. For sure. How I feel coming out of Memphis, like coming out of Memphis, like just even playing basketball, and like what kept you motivated and stuff, like when you knew like I got a chance to make it to the NBA. Man, my brother actually, my brother, because I really didn't know I played for fun. I stayed right by the community center in South Memphis, man. I used to play for fun. And one day, my brother sent me on the mock trail. I mean, I was like, boy, you got kids. He was like, nigga, you know, you can go, you finna go to the league? I'm like, yeah, whatever. I always said I was going to the NBA though. Yeah. But I was just, it was just a burning desire to make me say that. But it was never like, I knew it was serious and it could happen. My brother was like, motherfucker, you finna go to the league for real. And that's when I kind of kind of clicked, I'm like, damn, I am finna get paid. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, nigga, hold, hold a lot of lives when it be changed. Yeah, because I used to mind getting trouble a lot in high school. You know what I'm saying? You got some trouble in the league, too. Oh, yeah, man. I ain't gonna laugh. One foot in, one foot out, you know. You're a woman, nigga. I quit. Just crazy. You know, I woke up kind of late, dawg. I didn't, like Larry even set me down one day in the office. He was like, motherfucker, you ain't getting a hundred million from me. A hundred and twenty million from me in five years is your fault, you know. And I was just so young. And not realizing like your own potential. Yeah, I'm just enjoying the ride. I was so happy to get there. And it was so hard to get there. I played my whole life. So I was just like, shit, I'm finna enjoy this shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And the switch then clicked to it at the end when I was seeing it. I kind of figured the game out. I was like, okay, they won't have basketball, IQ people, good character people. I was a good character. I wasn't gonna cut no coach out. None of that shit. Yes, sir. No, sir, all that. But you went no goddamn yes, man, neither, though. Like you went, yeah. Yeah, but when I left the gym, you had 14 motherfuckers at the crib on the lake. You know what I'm saying? A pimp and district gangsters and just crazy dog stuff. I really, but I was having the balls. I just wanted to enjoy it. You know what I'm saying? Right. But by the time I woke up, it was kind of too late. You know what I'm saying? Because you gotta think, like your life passed by, his motherfuckers now who finna retire to NBA, like they're gonna start looking at them. They're crazy. Like look at a nigga like Dennis Rodden. You can't tear me home and enjoy his whole damn life. Like the nigga played, but he enjoyed life. It's some niggas like Reggie Miller. You know that nigga ain't never enjoyed no life, man. Nah, I ain't gonna lie. The quote unquote green people, they enjoy their life too, but they know how to do it. They had a lot of... They be sneaky. Yes, you know, you gotta check the phones in, sign the NDAs and all that stuff being existed. I didn't know how to do it. And they had the right people around to tell them the people I had around me couldn't tell me nothing. They never even came to me to even open up LSC or nothing. You know what I'm saying? They were just enjoying it too. They ain't even come to the game. Yeah. But look, you know another thing though, like not to blame you or the people around you, it like what we don't know. You see what I'm saying? Like from our families, like until how we coming, if you get some money, the first thing you think about is what you done saw. You know niggas who go out by cars, by jewelry, by clothes. We ain't think about like, they don't teach us that shit in school. Like, hey, make sure you credit straight. You don't find that your credit ain't straight until you about to buy a house or some shit. Be like, oh, that why I was supposed to been paying that type of shit. We just don't learn shit. How them on the other flip side of it, the white folk, they telling their kids now they gonna got them leave them life insurance money. Niggas, my grandma and granddad ain't leaving them no goddamn life. They think you gonna kill them if you put them on a pile. So it's that little shit like that. You ain't lying cause I had one financial vow. My first financial vow was a Gary Shaw, right? Uh huh. He was a cold financial vial, too. But man, I didn't understand like you said, the insurance policy. So I get to look at my statements at the end of the month. I'm paying, I'm putting $10,000 in insurance policy. So I called him, I said, man, why I'm putting all this money in this insurance policy? I said, yeah, like I'm for the dynamite or something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He still didn't tell me why, but you know now I know why. You know what I'm saying? Cause that's a good vehicle. Hell yeah. That's how some people get the money to start up. Right, thanks. N***a, n***a, me month, they me month die, n***a, they up. They got them go get a house, get some land, do all that shit. Thanks. Who was some of your growing up, who were the basketball players you looked up to? Man, I ain't gonna lie. I looked up to Jordan and Allen Anderson and the rest of the people I looked up to were streetcatch cause where I grew up at, you know, the- Like they was in the sports or just- Just straight street. I like the shoes, and the trans-Ams and the blazes. They were fresh. I was just looking up to them but Jordan and Allen Anderson was the people that lit a match under me that I like idolized playing ball. You know what I mean? I'm surprised you didn't say penny. Penny too. I ain't gonna lie, I forgot about penny. Cause my grandad used to take me to the penny capital classic all the time. And I used to save all them tickets and put them into the, what they called it, the Kyrio cabinets, all that. Grandma used to have trophies and all that in there. Penny was a big motivation to me too. But Penny kind of hurt my feelings one time cause he used to play in his post-office league down in Hamilton where I grew up at. And I asked that motherfucker for some, for them phone pauses. I waited till he walked to the bathroom. I went in there. I'm like, man, let me get them shoes. I'm like, nah, nah, nah, you don't need them. Man, that shit crushed me. How are you? Man, I ain't proud of life. When was the penny news to play? What up? 14, 15, when I used to be at the gym playing. 14 to 15. I still was tall, but that motivated me too. I was like, this motherfucker didn't give me them shoes. I'm looking at him like he rich. Like he ain't nothing after the game for him to just take them shoes off and give them to me. You know what I'm saying? And he ain't do it, that shit crushed me. And I told him about it when my wife did a podcast with him in Memphis. I was like, you know you hurt me man when you ain't giving them shoes. What's the point of you remembering? He ain't even remembering. He was also used to niggas in Memphis bagging heels. I don't remember that goddamn time. Niggas, shit. Nah, that's the real though. So goddamn you said Jordan Iverson and sleep penny cause he ain't give a goddamn shit. I ain't gonna do sleep penny though. Man, penny. Bro, penny was a dog though. Niggas, penny was a dog. Niggas sleep on his goddamn, his game a lot. Like if it went for those injuries and shit like going back looking at some shit like God damn. A lot of folks don't know penny got shot. Like I ain't know that till I got grown. Yeah, they got shot in high school. Yeah, they got shot in the foot on the block of North Memphis and Binghampton. I read a damn, I wasn't goddamn elementary. They had the book fair. They had a book. What the fuck? What about another read? Yeah. See these young men don't even know about book fairs man. So I goddamn got a book. It had Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway. It was like a side by side book about both of their life stories in there. So like Grant Hill, his, you know, his dad played in the NFL. He grew up like it's, you know, it's stabbing. They would just talk about Penny. How he came up in Memphis and stuff like that. But that shit just went dope. That nigga, they even called him Penny but his grandmother would call him pretty. Pretty. Yeah. And that Penny just stuck. I don't like damn. But now that shit went dope though. Penny was dope. He dope now in Memphis though. That was the best thing that had come out of the California was in my California one of the best. Oh for sure. Because you were in that first wave of Colin Perry, DeWine Wagner, Darius Washington, Rodney Carney, and yourself got drafted in the same year coming out of Memphis. So tell us, tell us about that, like that experience being in the first wave. I ain't gonna lie man. I ain't just for everybody to know I went to the draft cause it's too hard to play in college though. Those motherfuckers play hard. Oh yeah. Then you, they don't play with no money. Just run a hundred miles an hour. Then the big man can stand in the paint. You know, I was just blessed and lucky to play. We all went to a prep school cause I had to leave cause of my grades in my senior year I had to leave and go to Lawnburg. And I was crying. I'm talking about huffing and puffing, slobbing, crying cause I wanted to graduate in Memphis and go to the prom and all that. Got a period seeing me one day. That man told me, look kid, if you don't leave in three days your career is over. So man, I woke up one day, man went up to Lawnburg and luckily Lawnburg closed. Now, but luckily it was like five of us coming from going to Memphis. It was some LSU cats and everything went up there. And we all played. We went like 40 and no up there. You know, and we all came to Memphis. I still had to stay an extra year, but we all ended up coming to Memphis. But the team was so good that I didn't have to average nothing but 14 points or 13 points. And all the big guys, I used to hit the 20s and the 25s. You know what I'm saying? Cause I was conference or USA, what player of the year. Yeah, as a freshman. Yeah, but went to the elite eight. Man had a dope time. But why he said your career be over if you didn't leave? Cause I was going to be in the eligible cause I was already sitting out cause Todd Day, he was a, I played for coach A. His stepson was Todd Day. He played the league, played for Phoenix and stuff. Me and Walker in Phoenix, but I wasn't going to play. You know what I'm saying? Cause I'm having women classes through the mail, but I'm sitting there thinking, cause I was going to clan. I said, I got to show out. You know what I'm saying? Cause I knew I was cold. I just wanted to, cause the games to be sold out just waiting on me to play. I was sitting there waiting to play and Cal was like, man, you don't play your senior you ain't finna play no more. You know what I'm saying? So I just left, I listened to him, went up there and I finally came on played a year. And I was like, man, it was so hard to play. Cause I, I used to play good and like we played TSU and shit like that. I didn't want to play. I was like, I don't want to play this. I just go out there and get two files, come out the game quick, but all the like conference them big games against like PJ Tucker, KD, Adam Morrison, I used to clown on them games. And I was like, man, I'm out of here. You know? So bro, on some real shit, you play TSU, you'll get some files just to just to come out because I couldn't get up for them games. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I already accomplished the same. See, you got a different mind that you ain't anything in paying stats. Cause you know them they can't do shit with you. Like I ain't never played like I got a will for the paying stats when I got to the league. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And I steered in paying stats. I played with a passion. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never played a game to pay in those stats. I feel like the people who did that, that's what kind of happened to D-Wash. He had a lot of people in his ear kind of trying to make him, you know what I'm saying? Hit 20, hit 20, but mind them NBA ain't going to draft you off talent. Yeah, they see that. Not anymore, really. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's still the same because they don't really want to draft no seniors and stuff like that. You got to be a freshman. They going to draft you on what you can do. Yeah, cause you stayed to your senior. Yeah. It got niggas in 2002. Hey, yeah. One and done. Yeah. Especially, that was Memphis was known for. One and done, but that was the beginning of that. That was the beginning. A lot of people used to stay there. They was drafting four-year players, but they understand NBA a billion-dollar business. Yeah. So they got this shit down to a sign, stuff we don't know about, like analytics. They looking at, okay, I'd rather get him after, I'd rather get him in high school or after he a grown man. He a grown man. He probably, what are you going to be? You know what I mean? Knees going to go out. Niggas got five years left. Yeah. I think the only niggas who stayed a long time and still came in the league is Curry. But you remember when he came in the league, he still was hurt that first year. PJ and Tucker too. Oh yeah. PJ and, he different though. PJ and Tucker. PJ different. That's what the league is going to be made of. That's what the league made of not really good IQ guys, guys who grind. The talent there ain't nothing more. You know what I'm saying? You got to get in there and show your talent. You got to produce with that talent or they going to get you out of here. Who's some of your favorite players right now in the league? Man, you know, LeBron going to always be one of the favorites. Yeah. Curry, KD, you know, because I used to play against him in prep school. He wasn't even starting. What? In his prep school that you're out playing here. But Montras was? Yeah. Montras Christians? Yeah. Up in DC, someone used to travel bruh. He had Grievous Vazquez on that team. Who? Grievous Vazquez. He went to Maryland. They couldn't leave for a little minute. I'm going to tell y'all who was on our team. Y'all remember Vince Banks or something? Vince Banks. Bruh. Y'all don't know about Vince Banks. Vince Banks was so cold. Dottonette, no order got there. So it was underground team. It was Vince Banks or Lou Will. Lou Will basically was COVID. Vince and Basley was a team act. So it was like Lou. Lou ain't from Atlanta though. Lou was from Memphis. Yeah, Lou from Memphis. Who that just told us? Me and you played here as a team. Really? He moved up here in like middle school. Yeah. We just got to argue with somebody a couple of like now we claim Lou here. Who that was in? Kiershine. Kiershine. He the one who told us that. I never knew that. Played on the same plate for the Memphis Bulldogs. You know what I'm saying? I know his mama and everything. He from Memphis. Vince and Banks. Or 60 and three-quarter. He was shooting from Steph Rains. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Like he team act. He or um COVID. Which one you want? You gonna run with Lou Will or you gonna run with Vince and So what happened? I don't know what happened after he left this joint. I think he enough going to Cincinnati or something. And something happened to somebody to put something in his weed or something. Oh man. You know what I'm saying? I hear something like that, bro. Shit. Mikey Williams right now committed to Memphis. He on trial and shit. Like shit crazy. Yeah, that's crazy with Mikey, man. Pray for that man. I haven't seen people. But people still can come back. I just hope he don't give up whatever happens. You know what I'm saying? But if he get 10 years it's kinda, you know, gonna be tough to come back. But people who go through stuff can't give up with it, man. Because media, social media these days will make these kids give up if they have a little run in with jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Because I got six, eight out of us have to leave two times and came back. Because I just stayed the course. You know what I'm saying? I ain't let the outside know what I'm like, man, I just fucked up. There you go. Don't give me some more money, you know? Until it was too late. Yeah. Well, like, out of all your little like, you know, incident, and I call them a little because like, you still here to tell your story. Like some people don't, you know what I mean? Have that chance where you can even give back and tell somebody that's coming to gang. Like, my stage's gonna happen. Like that come with it at the time, you still growing as, you know what I mean? While you in the league, you still finding yourself. But what's one thing where you like, man? I wish I never did that type of shit. Like, all of them, all of them could have been avoided. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like from carrying the guns and, you know, but it was the right way because Larry and them even took the whole team. Because, you know, we end up, they was in, we was in shootouts and everything at the paces. But they end up taking the whole team to get gun permits. You know what I'm saying? You know, I used to just be riding around with a gun, a stolen gun. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Not just, but like, this is where I'm coming from, this is where I'm thinking, you know what I mean? I need to have some protection. Yeah. But then it's a right way to do it with somebody, you know what I mean? But still, if I needed protection to go to these spots that I was going to. Why not have a security guard? Why not have a security guard? Why not go? You got the money. I used to think man, having a security man, I don't need no security for the right reason. You shoot, let these guns discharge. You know what I mean? But all of them, dog, I wouldn't change none of them. None of them, because I, you know, I take all of them as lessons. Right, right. Right now, I'm inspiring to be a coach. And what I went through in all these times. That's what help. You can talk in like, a nigga can't say, man, coach, you don't know what going on. Nigga, I do. I'm just going to tell them to do it. Like I told, like I just, O.T.J. was just down there. They got dynamic prep in Dallas. He got this big prep school. And it was my first time being able to talk to the team. You know what I'm saying? But I can relate to them and they eyes big like bow dollars. You know what I'm saying? Because I, I done been where they trying to go. Right. And the stories I'm going to tell you, you can just Google me dog. If you don't want to listen to what I'm telling you. It's facts. I done been through it. I done lived it. And you ain't got, you don't have to go the hard way. You can go the easy way. Yeah. And that's going to make, I feel like that's going to make me thrive in that area of it. To like, see, because you looking at it like, you wish you had a coach Sean Williams when you were coming up. I wish I had somebody. I can't say I didn't have it because I had people like Zebo, you know, Quentin Wolves. I seen them, but just coming from Memphis, we'd be so blind. You know, you can't expect everybody to wake up. Like the blinds come on. At the time. Yeah. Blindness come off God, make the blindness come off at a certain time. You know what I'm saying? So what I went through, I know I supposed to went through because it was already written. You know what I'm saying? But because my career ended the way it ended. I was built. I ain't watched basketball for like five years. Really? Yeah. I was just like, because I feel like I still can play. You know, I was just away from my purpose doing reality TV with my wife doing all that. But it's like the blind that just clicked on my head. I was like, my purpose is basketball. I can't never because I gave my life to this game. Never. You know what I'm saying? Just give it up. So I just use it now. It's my opportunity to help many kids, many younger, like Mike, somebody could have just told him, you know, a young boy bro and think, you know, you can be GTA out here and shoot a pistol if he did that. You know what I mean? You just can't do it, you know. So that's what I'm, I'm taking that avenue on Just Mine and trying to motivate these kids and win some championships and get the accolades that I suppose the guy will not play with me. Man, shout out to that. Clap it up real quick for that. A lot of people need things like that. Right. I want to be a Hall of Famer coach, though. I want to win a chip. You know what I'm saying? You know, I know everybody's going to make mistakes. I'm going to be one of them coaches. If you don't shoot the open shot, you're coming out the game. Everybody's shooting. Push out. Yacht Damn, when we were talking about favorite players, you played with Kobe too. Played with Kobe. That's my dog. I got some memories, videos with Kobe. For real? How was with Kobe? How he was? Man, because I don't, like off the record, I don't, some people don't talk to him like, Kobe was a fun teammate. Like they told him like, take him play and just, like, they be straight. I ain't going to talk about man, what man, but man, dog. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He wanted to really do his dog. He have an event, like they still do the preseason Vegas trip every year. Kobe started that. You know what I'm saying? Whether you get the rookie hazing out and all that stuff, like, Kobe real dude, I ain't going to lie. Like people, but he's real serious about basketball. Yeah. He's going to be up four in the morning, five in the morning. You know, when Kobe saying something different than me, one day we was playing, I think it was OKC. And I was out there getting off. When I come to the bench, I'm thinking he's feeling like, you know what I'm saying? Celebrate me. That man looked at me. It's like, you got to go harder. I'm like, damn, Kobe. I'm like, I'm playing harder. I can't, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you feel like you're going crazy. But he just looked at me. He know what my talent is. Like, he's more, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm not giving more. I'm not in there two hours before practice. I'm just showing up doing the bare minimum. So he probably seeing what you doing that game. He's like, this nigga could always do this shit. I can do everything he can do. He's looking like, motherfucker, you just got to give it, give it your all. I'm like, I am giving it my all, but I'm just in the game giving it my all. You don't see me dabbing on the floor. I'm running hard. You say, shit, I might be out of the way on the league. I got to go for it. I ain't going hard. I play hard every game, but he, I had to read between the lines. He talked about the other stuff. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Taking it more serious, that type of stuff. And what you saying now, the IQ part of it. Yeah. I got great basketball. It's just a lot of more stuff. Like these kids now, I used to just use training camp to get in shape. I probably won't touch a ball the whole summer, but my talent let me prevail. You know what I'm saying? As soon as they get around with it. Yeah, it caught me quick. Yeah, yeah. When the league started changing, I started coming in training camp. Man, out of shape and shit, man. Frank Vogel one time put me through a workout. My man just sent me home, dog. I didn't make a shot. We still got training camp, dog. You know what I'm saying? To get in shape. But it was a different league. These kids coming in working out. You around. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Coming in in tip top shape. I came in with the old school with Jack Nel. You know what I'm saying? I had Hamilton. Jamal Tinsley. You know what I'm saying? All right. You name some players then, boy. Tinsley. It was my vets. It was my vets. It was my dog. So that shit was different. Hey, man. We were talking about on the show a couple of weeks ago and tell me if I'm right or wrong and you could be on the show. I just feel like these niggas don't fight no more in basketball. Damn. It's a mind and league to change, bro. Like, if you one of them niggas is just going to fight you ain't going to get in the league. Yeah. And they all, they checking that shit at the door. Yeah. You got them folks that's going to fake fight. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You're like, hey, hey. When they knowing somebody going to hold them back. But back in the day it was these folks that were going to like the Stackhouse. I played with Stackhouse too in Dallas. He was one of them. He ain't going to try to fight you on the court. He going to run. He going to get kicked out the game and run all the way through the tunnel and meet you at your locker room. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, so we can really fight. It's a different time now. It's like, I said, it's a billion dollar industry. And they see that. They like, they trying to keep the gun. But I'll be the last. The last was the malice in the palace with J.O. and Jack, them dog and Artes. That was the last thing. Sean, that and I ain't going to lie. Not them type of fights. I'm like, there's a wrecking up. But you got people that come from our cloth it'll, it'll spill to the, in this day we was in the league with the rap music like it is and all that. It should have spilled off the court. Oh yeah for sure. You know what I'm saying? Out of the tunnels and everything. All this social media, that shit keep on, you keep on getting on. And you scroll Instagram, nigga Jack keeps showing you getting your ass knocked out. Oh, nigga, I got to come to every game you got. I got to send my boys to the city. You got to get you coming out the tunnel. Oh yeah. Now that you say all that, keep the fighting out of that. You ain't okay. You right. The league lost a lot of money, man. Bro, but yeah, that got damn malice in the palace. That was something different. I came to, I'm going to tell you how crazy I am. I was back then. Uh huh. Man, when I seen that, it's how the Lord work. I was like, my hope I go to that team. And I, you know, being trapped about that team. Hey, bro, I ain't going to lie to you. When that nigga Jermaine on there slid, I said, oh, ho, like that. Yeah, yeah. That was the old nigga. And Jermaine, I'm going to tell you, Jermaine one of the best veterans you can have, dawg, because he used to give me the game. You know what I mean? Honest opinion. He wanted to win championships. He was coming out of high school, first dude with a hundred million dollars, one of the first two. 100 million dollar contract. He just rolled with his team. You know what I'm saying? That's what you're supposed to do. That was the unread rules back then. You supposed to roll with your team. He was just, he was a, I just feel a casualty in it. You know what I mean? Because his team was fighting. He couldn't sit back in the locker room and be like, I ain't no problem. Like how can we go to the locker room? You don't saw me, you know what I'm saying? Out there fighting and you ain't did shit. Man that shit cost that game. He would think it cost him, what the? Hall of Fame. 40 games. You think it cost him the Hall of Fame? Yes, dude. It was the Hall of Fame turning by. You know what I'm saying? You don't think he can get in there? Yes. Now from what he doing. Oh yeah. He got to change the image. Look how long it's taking him though. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? Nah, you're saying it's a real shit. The image ain't never been terrible. Yeah. That's the only thing they really got on him is that. But they'll use that shit against you though. Thanks. They'll feel like that's your, that's your image and shit. That feel like that's what type of player you is. Right. What kind of like, what kind of teammate were you though? Man that was a fun teammate, man. All the people I played with, I played with six teams, seven teams. Every time I see anybody I played with, bro, we lock in, it's all love. I want no dick riding teammate. I used to want to always do my own thing. Yeah. I changed that too. I really go kick it with the team. You know what I'm saying? More. You know what I mean? I kicked it with Jack though. Me and Jack, we used to have a bar. I got all my tattoos by the same tattoo artist with Tati Lil Wayne. Yeah. We used to have, Jack used to, Jack married now, Man, Jack used to fly sugar in them from the magic cities. They had a whole magic city in the house, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We used to have a bar. Them boys used to be in their red flags hanging out there. He plugged our whole team blood. They said, me, I just, where I come from, you don't get no gang. Yeah, yeah, okay. He's from Port Arden. He was already in a gang at that time. You know what I'm saying, man? But before I left, they just don't have our teams coming up with red flags. They pocket it. Even the white boy. Nah, but they, they throw up blood. Yeah. Throwing up blood. What's up, five? Damn, Jack. Jack is here, bro. Jack done gentrified the goddamn team. In the M. In the M. We had a championship squad, man. For shows. Yeah, yeah. Got it together, dawg. We just, we just couldn't, but Larry picked them. That's the type of dudes Larry won. He knew we'd take a dawg. Hey, but, how you watch Winning Time? Mm-mm. With the, it showed the Lakers verse, uh, the Lakers verse, the Lakers verse, the Lakers verse, the Lakers verse, uh, Boston. Mm-mm. That Larry Byrd was a shit-talking nigga. If they depicting that nigga like that, bro, he talk that shit. Exactly. And he was a dawg, too, though. A dawg? You can tell. All my, all my, the guy's fingers bent up like kind of how deans is. I was like, man, you a hooper. Fuck it. And they ain't have all the, like, medical staffs and stuff back then. Hey, well, he still shooting rounds on time with y'all? Yeah. People chained my free throw. I go up there. I'm trying to be smooth and pretty spinning the ball. So I'm going to show you something. That might go up to walk up to the line, throw in that ball. That might take three dribbles, shot the ball, made ten in the row, and walked off. That's what I want to see you do from here on out, to quit all that spinning the ball, and shit dude, shoot. Yeah. Chained my free throw. My percentage went up. Especially if you're going to miss that motherfucker though. Right. I'm about a 40%, 50% free throw shoot. When I quit doing all that spinning and just started shooting, free throw percentage went up and everything. LeBron over, or Joy? Can you say you grew up watching Joy? No. What you saying LeBron? I'm going to tell you, I'm respecting the folks that came before with Joy, you know, but right now, LeBron is that thing. You know what I'm saying? He got that. Bro, what he doing in 20 years? That shit. That hurt my name. That shit. I'm thinking about it. 21? God damn. And Joy was the type of wild dude too, you know, but LeBron, I mean, he like... That can't catch that nigga doing shit, boy. You're giving us the blueprint on how you supposed to do this. You know what I'm saying? How he move, that's how a nigga supposed to move, boy. You got mother just waiting on LeBron to put something for them to damage his... Bro, if they ain't caught him yet, they ain't going to catch him. Period. It's crazy, bro. Magic Johnson just became like a billionaire and LeBron's an active, playing billionaire and playing basketball right now, which is crazy. Oh yeah. That's wild. He going to fuck around and hit a trillion. Mike, just Mike. What's up? I think he's still playing. He's still playing though. He's still playing though. You know how sometimes I'm like, man, let the young nigga play. Shit, you're in the young nigga. Man, it's going to be probably two more years for him. He slow down to it. You can stop him. Bro. Because he got it to a size he's smart. If they manage his minutes, because he ain't been hurt. He had no major injuries. I'm like, I'm going to woo him for my guy, but man, like, but what he do off the court, though, might be a game to eat peanuts and peanut butter. He got everything on the timer. Like, man, that's why I say giving us the blueprint. They say he, uh, he got his, uh, live in what? Trainer. Trainer, shelf, everything. Yeah. They been to Crip? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, you ain't never heard that? No. Look, that shit up. Nigga, you got a computer. Thanks. Yeah, he can train and stay with him, bro. You around. That nigga don't do nothing else. Damn, that's a good job. Good job, dude. Like, we always try to do with LeBron. Like, bring all 10 dudes with you. He got it right. One of the dudes, they got it right. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to him for that. For sure. Uh-huh. That's crazy. Now he got some, when he do leave, ain't finna be hard for him to even find what else to do. He can go straight to TV. Oh, for sure. Straight to TV. Because he already have people in person. Right. So look, you were saying like, when you want to, you know, train up the, the young players going up, showing them this and showing them that. So would you take the money or the championship? The championship. What you saying? Every time you taking the championship. Every time. Because I want to be a winner, bro. I want to be known as a winner. Yeah. Imagine, the money going to always come. You staying your purpose in whatever you do. The money going to come. You going to get some money. Once you get older, to realize, you be like, man, I can't even spend all the money. I don't, I can't buy them but some joints, a car, spend the money on my wife. You know what I mean? Uh-huh. Always. Nah, that real. For sure. For real. So in a hundred million dollar contract. Championship though. How'd that make it sure? I believe it though. I'm going to give it to you. When people win championships, what happens after that? When the players win championships, they go get paid. Uh-huh. So I choose the championship. The money's going to follow. The money going to come. Yeah. They going to be good in that city for life. And it's a, it's a role and everything is spiritual though. Y'all got to understand. People in the, in that league, in the NBA, in that field, they want championship pedigree people. It's a pedigree. You know what I'm saying? You win a championship that a roar is around you. You know what I mean? For life. Thanks. And they'll rather have a person that won a championship and tell you how to get there, what we had to do to get there because that's a hard thing. You got to, like who said this hundred equal dollars like winning the championship, you got to be the team two or three times in one game to even win. Uh-huh. Because they going to make a run. The refs going to do the refs, what the refs going to do. Thanks. And then you might be fighting against the goddamn crowd, the energy. Yeah. Like you coming from behind or something like that. Right. I believe in it. I believe in God, but I believe in, like they said, the basketball gods too. You got to have it. I want that championship a roar around me. Yeah. Well, nigga, look, that's a champion. That's a champion though. Ain't nothing like one. What's up champ? Had them boxes be yours. Yeah. Hey, y'all don't matter how long them niggas going to hold with that dick. They ain't folding 30 years now. The belt being gone. The men lost it. Men lost it. You ain't going to tell him that. You can't erase that championship off his name. Yeah. Hey, first check, what you deal with it? Man, I ain't even have to wait until the first check because they give you, once you get drafted, man, they're going to give you advance. Oh. For real money. But it's still your money though. Man, I went about a house, a boat. I went about the biggest house with all the rooms and I ain't even put furniture in all the rooms, right? A house, boat. I bought the truck at the rookie transition before we even got to the season. We had to go to the combine. I couldn't even lift the weight to the combine. I think Katie was in there. He couldn't even lift it off the bar. I got it off the bar. I got it on my chest and that just doesn't even come up out of my chest. I have a truck waiting on me outside of Cadillac truck. A Cadillac truck was waiting on me outside when I came out. He ain't give a fuck if you can lift that motherfucker or not. Nah. I'm good draft to do a truck. I ain't give a fuck if you can lift that motherfucker. I ain't not even try. I ain't not even try. I ain't even try. I ain't even try to lift it. I ain't even try to lift it. I ain't even try to lift it. He was like, man, I'm straight. Yeah. And they, hey, you remember that draft class because you know what I'm saying? You came out that year. But I'm saying you remember how they doled KD from that? They were saying like, is he strong enough? You remember all that? All them they say. Right. I remember all that. That's why I told them I didn't even start in prep school to see. They just show you how serious he take his crowd. You know what I'm saying? Because to be one of them guys, you got to be like that. Yeah, for sure. You got to take a seat. It's like all he want to talk about is basketball. You can actually mind about a girl, basketball. You know what I'm saying? What you riding? Basketball. He learned. He learned in like bad. Like, you know what I mean? My boy don't brush his ass. Basketball. Don't brush his ass. Mine got into with Dreymon. I just want to play basketball. Dreymon. Yeah. He wasn't thinking about fighting all these man. Oh, okay. Dreymon won one of them. Niggas in the league who will fight. He ain't know no play-play shit. No, he ain't. Dreymon will fight. He won them Michigan. Yeah. What I'm saying? He come from there. Cloughbush. Steal his professionalism. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. He got a on and off button with that shit. He's smart. He know how to talk, too. Yeah. And I feel like Golden State handled what they did well against Jordan Poole up out there. You don't trade no champion or dude who built the dinosaur. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So they don't always be successful down the line. You know what I mean? Golden State. But they have to make a decision. It's offseason with Clay. Whether to keep him or let him go. What do you think? If you earn those shoes, what are you doing as a GM? Well, I feel like if Bob Miles was still there, he probably would pay him. I really don't know. Well, Mike Dunleave, I played with Mike Dunleave also in Indiana. I think Mike Dunleave will keep that coach in tech and pay Clay probably not what he want. And let somebody else offer him a little more. Somebody gonna offer? He gonna go get the money because he gonna feel disrespected. Because I've seen like, watching Clay throughout the years, do you feel like, has he gotten better as a player throughout these all these years? I would say, He don't have to. What do you want to develop? He's a shooter. He's a shooter and he gonna play defense. He's consistent. I give him that. He's consistent. Golden State is the one to change the league. A big dude with his back post, a big dude that's gonna post up with his back to the basket. We got a chance in the league. Dang, getting drafted. You can't shoot a three. You ain't getting drafted. They changed the whole landscape of the league. Remember, each of you throw it in the post, cut off, boom, back down, throw the hook. Ain't nobody throwing it into the post at all. It's straight pinned down screens to a three. Uh-huh. You know, they changed. Them folks, it's his story. You know what I mean? What them folks did for the game, it'll never be done again. What you think about Victor? Women young? What's your name? Oh, man. What is that, son? Bruh, I just seen the night. Nothing to do, man. The other night, I was like, yeah, Lee, man. I don't know, bro. He's still like no back to the basket post. Yeah, but no. Yeah, yeah, he didn't. But I'm saying, how can you guard some shit like that? I don't know, man. But when Pop puts some more people around and put probably one or two more people, it's over. It's a ring. It's a ring for sure. Eight. Main time because they play eight. We play 82 games, bro. That's a lot of games, though. Man, son, I talked a lot of shit about this nigga. I don't realize this nigga can't be stopped. That nigga Yolkich. Yolkich, bro. Eight. And the mind says. I don't remember. When I was filming, I was like, hey, y'all can't stop this nigga. You see the nigga move so slow, like, bro. Put your elbow up. Stop that. Bro, I watched that nigga get to the lake. I said, oh, this nigga a machine. But I knew it was going to be good with him. I think in my last year, we ended up playing him out there. Man, I looked at him. I was like, damn. Because his move, he's still quick, bro. He a big. He's got God's guardian. He's a big man, God. He would kill any sinner they put on him. He turned quick. He turned so quick. Because he can't jump. He can't jump. He just. Yeah. He said he don't touch a ball doing off-season. He just. Yeah. He's a ride horse. That's all he do off-season. Wrong talent, though. Man, there was a car happening in town. Go ride a game, boy. Because he got so much talent, so much potential. And he be like, you watching, like, what the fuck is you doing? He got talent, potential. He just ain't that type of player, like, you know. He's a nice guy. Just a nice guy, bro. You know what I'm saying? I ain't even talk bad about nobody. Because I ain't no telling who Kona got to go around. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. People like that end up being in the front office. He's just a nice guy. Yeah. He need dollars. Yeah. You still got to be politically correct, too. Facts. Because that's big, bro. I done peaked that, too. A lot of people. But shit, but then, son, you got to think, what about all the niggas, you know what I mean? You don't look. What if they in the front office? What you going to do? We just squashed it, bro. You ain't saying, I had probable powers to fight this shit. That ain't going to walk in the office. Marvin Williams. God damn. Yeah, what happened with that? What happened with Marvin? Man, Marvin, man. Before you bring it up, he was man bro. I thought he was bro. When the Hawks got Marvin Williams, and we asked Josh Milka. He came on the show. He said, bro, they wanted Chris Paul so bad. What? Marvin was a coach. I don't remember him from A.U., dawg. Yeah. But I got to say, a lot of people don't ever get to that town, because we're getting that league, bro. It's like quick. Made. Oh, that shit go so fast. Yeah. When you out of there, you be like, damn. You know what I'm saying? Then you get to go through your PTSD, because we crazy, too. You know what I'm saying? Motherhood kind of dismissed our mental, you know what I'm saying? Stability after going from circus life to doing nothing. Right. You know what I'm saying? Getting everything free to getting nothing. That nigga out the league. He out the league. That shit's both the last forever. You know what I mean? But Marvin Williams, we came at a, we was on the coast. The time we came in the league, the league was changing why we was in there. You know what I'm saying? We not knowing this shit from the chain. We got to work our year around all to keep up with this shit. And we kind of, you know, was like, what's the word I'm looking for? I'm looking for like a like a casualty in it. You know what I mean? To where, you know, we ain't reach our potential because we ain't do a lot of the stuff that these younger kids did. And we just was expendable. Like we ain't finna, even though the vet minimum don't count towards the cap, but they was like, okay, we know these niggas ain't finna be LeBron. You know what I'm saying? Let's go find another, the next LeBron. You know what I mean? Because every team, all these people in these office positions, they want to win. Because they job on the line too. You'll be surprised, I'm in a class now. You'll be surprised, stuff I never knew that go into this. When analytics came in, bro, you can't cheat this game no more. Oh yeah. Period. Just like you sit up there with the information. Y'all know, because y'all from the hood and y'all sports fanatics. You know what I mean? Y'all been watching this all y'all life. Y'all probably gambler longer than everything. Yeah, see, that's what got me invested. I ain't too much into the analytics neither. I got them, I get you to go 20 points. I want to see 22. But like far as like, you know, like, you know, like, some of them, like they been like Marcel and done, they might know the history. Like, if you name a player, that net might know what high school the nigga went to, what middle school, I don't get into that. But they mean something. Yeah. But see, they take pride in what went like a player, like, you know what I'm saying, what they come from and something like that. You know, when I start liking a player, bro, when I learn a story, when I learn a player's story and know what they came from, like, anytime I see some shit, like, I watched Kevin Durant documentary about his mama and stuff like that, like him and his brother and how she was training and pushing him, make the nigga run and stuff like that. That's why I like, after I see that, I want you to win. Everybody got some stories, bro. Everybody got some, some people got some real, like Hollywood-deserving story. Like, I forgot, like, I got a story, I got a diary. You know what I mean, bro, one time we playing Chicago Bulls out in El Figuete, man, walking off the court, man, the U.S. Marshals on the side of the court standing with Larry Beard. And I feel me, I'm like, he's like, son, come here. Take me all the way around the locker room in the, in the, in the, in the referees locker room. They see me in there. I'm already knowing what they're there for because I had a partner who was up there and he had just on the live somebody in Memphis, but he had been up and stuff. Man, I'm supposed to ran in my house and everything, but that's why I feel like, that's why I'm on this path and on this purpose. I feel like I let a couple people down, like my agent, happy, like Larry, you know what I'm saying? Cause he handpicked me. You know what I'm saying? So I said, no, I can't let that go cause they go on his record. I don't want to be no stain on his record. I don't feel what I'm saying. So I'm like, I gotta change all this and make all of it right. Nah, that's real. What you, man, he mugged me in the back. He touched my head, bro. You know what I'm saying? I did some bullshit. I kind of, you know, somebody running in front of you, you just grab the other side so you can get a boost and go in front of him. But by the time I got in front of him, he'd mush me in my head. I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? And I turned around, but he tried to hit me, though. Landry feels the GM mother hawks right now. I love him. After that game, I talked to Marvin with a hit me. He reconnected. You know what I'm saying? I got this punch from him because I had looked at it a thousand times. I was like, bro, don't you stop me from getting hit on the ass in the television? This would have spilt over, though. Hey, Sean, you probably think that nigga a lot. You wouldn't even be here talking about coaching right now. It wouldn't happen because after the game, a lot of folks, because they already knew I was come bad of and I had certain people around me at that time. Bro, before we got on the jet, man, Josh Marvin was calling me. They put us on the phone. They called Raymond Phelton. Raymond Phelton was on the team. From North Carolina. They called Raymond Phelton and Raymond and put us on the phone me and Marvin and squash it. You know what I'm saying? They don't want us to go no farther, but they did it for me. They don't want us to go no farther. I'm like, man, I'm not going to lose no more money. I'm trying to see because you get to spend it a game of punch. You know what I'm saying? So you got to make that first one and you never fight in the league no more. Period. You never fight no more after that. That was the last one. You know what I'm saying? You got to do a take a black man money. What? $120? $120, though. Easy. I was looking for the best to say, man, we're looking for starting out and say, because he had just got that $110, so he's going to see if he's going to pay the fine. Nobody's going to pay the fine. You can live through this, buddy. Ain't nobody talk up. Man, I got suspended to pay it out of my checks. I was like, boo, I think I got $3,000 a check a couple of times. Damn, what? Nigga, that don't make you stop fighting. I don't know what will. Thanks, bro. Nigga, hold spending change for that goddamn month. Man, we got to cut back on some of that shit. Turn them lights off. Candles everywhere. Turn that shit off. Hey, I always wondered, like, who was someone you played with and why not? No, I always like to know about the cold niggas in the league who ain't really get the opportunities, like, for whatever reason. Oh, man. Or it could be a nigga that he grew up with that, like, he knew with cold. Man, you know, Memphis, we got a lot of them, though. Like an underground legend. Yeah, that nigga, you say their name. We had Rico Duncan. Rico Duncan. Who hit, who hit the 85 points in high school. What the fuck? Shootin' threes. He was step court, prescribing four steps. 85 points, 86 points. Still in the streets at the old. He up going to Nebraska somewhere. That's why I say people down. You don't go stay close to your home point. You don't get like a rape charge or something. And it would go with for, um, damn, boy. On that A, you suck it, dawg. It ain't that many, they gon' get you. They already, if they want you, they gon' know how to hide certain shit. Yeah, for sure. Sweep shit out of the world. If you're not a person that's gon' go in there and cuss them out and do all that, they can fix the street stuff. If you want them motherfuckers, it's gon' be in there kicking the locker doors and you know, fuck y'all trying to fight them and shit. They gon' get you so far waving around. They don't want to see you. They don't want that shit right now. Period. Boy, Kevin Porter got in that mug. Kevin Porter. Man, I feel like he'll be all right. I feel like he should. I hope so. And they got games, boy. But I really don't know with this new league, bro, because like I said, bro, they lose money with it, especially with the assault on female because this world kind of being ran by women right now. Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? You do something to a female there, they gon' cancel y'all. They gon' make a chance. Because now to the point like they ignored so much stuff for so many years and decades, now they got a point where it could be something minor. Oh, nigga, we finna throw the book at your ass. He's not getting paid though. Yeah. We take this shit serious. Another chance. He gon' go in there for. He's finna get paid. He's finna get a dumb chance. And they pulled it on the bank. But that's why. They have a pro free agency opened up too. Well, I feel like these folks turning out 80 million, 88 million to get an extra 10. You take that money right then. Yeah. You don't know what's gon' happen in two weeks. You might get anything that can happen. You might have a rick, bruh, and just have a joint on the side of the door, bruh. And that bad pub gon' cost you that money. Or nothing will happen like Dennis Shrooder and you just don't get paid. Don't get paid. That dumbass, nigga. Shroda. Man, they had, he had the money. He had the bad. Nah. Hey, but they told that nigga, they said he the type of nigga he got a ace in the king as they hit me. Man. They hit me. That nigga dumb as a father was. That's a good analogy forward though. Yeah, okay. What's a hundred and one, twenty? You can get the same thing with a hundred million. You can get with one, twenty. What? Like, look at Nerlin' is no well. Why don't they, he ain't even in the league. He ain't even in the league right now. What a turndown bank road. And he ain't even in the league. Ain't even in the league. You can't tell him My agent, dumb as shit. You know, probably, Rich Paul was his agent at the time. Yeah, your agent probably tell you to take it. Right. He probably felt played, oh, I'm starting this because the analytics, you know, they got a chart they go by if you average these many rebounds, these many points, you're supposed to get these. But shit, what's 20 million off? What's 120 in a hundred? Nigga, a hundred, nigga, if you got 120, nigga still gonna call it a hundred. That's a good idea, nigga, a hundred million. You got a hundred, you got a hundred. The only decision I made was leaving New York. That was my career year. What? Brunk mellow, chasing money. I could've got 2.5 million guaranteed with the other year, 2.5, my team option. I took my dumb ass over across the water to New Jersey with Ava Johnson for $6 million. Brian, nothing like playing with a historic organization like the Neeks. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying, chasing the guaranteed money. Nigga, playing in the Madison Square Garden, that's where everybody pump up the goddamn gold play. Bro, I can't go nowhere, but like, man, you my nicks, my nicks, even the heat like that, but I was on my way out when I went to the heat, but I went and chased a guaranteed three million and extra three million dollar that was guaranteed. You know what I mean? Because in New York, all that shit. Come on, man, appearances, you ain't playing with mellow, man, we get tickets to the Yankees games, just all it. The money would've came so many different ways. Yeah, different ways. Anyone know different money, 2.5 million games. Y'all gonna get the other money, you know what I'm saying? Now you knowin' that now, you seein' how to, what the hell? Because I'm learnin' how to learn the salary cap, I'm learnin' cause I'm takin' the GM class one-on-one. I'm learnin' how to... Oh, you learnin' everything. I'm goin', I'm bein' a coach, but I'm, I wanna learn the whole ends and out, so I won't tiptoe in my position. I won't know this shit. You ain't finna bullshit me or gettin' nothing by me, neither, you know what I mean? Hell yeah, cause it'd be like, I'm like, damn, coach, you told me, no. I know. Yeah, I know. Nigga. You be like, why ain't you playin'? Guess what? I'ma break these plus-minors out on me. You see what I mean? These five million fans. Every time I put your head on the court, shit, you a negative seven. We go down 10 points, dawg. I can play you some, right here. You know what I'm sayin'? Bro, we need coaches like that in the league that's gonna be Mike Duck. Right. I don't wanna hear that some bad shit like, no, no, we gonna win, we gotta fight hard. Nah, hey man, what the fuck y'all doin' out there? I don't care cause you shoot pretty dunker. It's what these people usin'. I'm finna use the same thing. Yeah. They got it there for a reason. I want them dawgs out there a bit. Mike, for real, I started the 23 games with Miami Doll, supposed to pull me in the office. My plus-minor was at 11 or so. Can't play, you know what I'm sayin'? Put me on the bench. I'm like, damn, we winnin' all right. But they got to see, if I take you out and put somebody in with a half dozen. They see if it change. Yeah, it change. But I ain't even makin' to see if it change. They tradein' me on my birthday. You know what I'm sayin'? Damn. My birthday. Did you catch any of the insanity? But that was... No, I left. You left, yeah. I'm gonna be there for you. Yeah, I shoulda been there for that. But I was solved today cause Mike Dantonio, man, one of the greatest coaches to me dawgs. A lot of people done said that. Man, that's a, I had them done like him, bro. But man, Dantonio, a players coach, dawg. You know what I'm sayin'? He told us straight up, like you can succeed in an offense or in a system like this. When he tell you, first 12 seconds is for y'all. He talking about the role player. The last 12 seconds to give it to Mello or Stotterman. So we already know, we finna get that ball out, we finna push it. I'm gonna either shoot this joint before I get the 12 seconds. I'm gonna make it. Or we gonna give it to Stotterman. I mean, he make it so easy for you to succeed. You know what I mean? Cause every, the game is sped up now. He was one of the first people with their fast offense in Phoenix. Everybody under Mike Dantonio, he get people paid, bro. Fact. You know what I'm sayin'? I hope he get another shot at coaching. Yeah, yeah. For real, that's one of them, he is coached though. Nah, for real. And I hope it be a lot of more different. I hope they open it up for a lot of ex players, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah. We have a problem with going through, you know what I'm sayin'? Going through the process of it. Like we feel like, you know, our ego be already fucked up, playin' in them, but we feel like they just should put us in there. You know what I mean? But they gotta understand, the person that hired you, they job on the line too. And the person that hired you, job is on the line too. So I think in our generation, the first person I done seen that flip fast was like Jason Kidd. But Jason Kidd, I played with Jason Kidd in Dallas. Yeah, but he already a coach, y'all know what I'm sayin'? I ain't seen nobody else make that transition. But then my basketball IQ is something different. Oh, God. You know what I'm sayin'? Like for a point guard, it'll be easy, like Rondo them, it'll be easy for them. Oh, Rondo, man. To transition, to coaching. They say he wanna be a coach too, Rondo. I think he up there with Kentucky. Yeah, Kentucky, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've been holly cowlin' a couple of weeks, just to shout out to him. I'm goin' around, I've been goin' up there to Georgia Tech, with Damian Stoddermatt, Bungie Wells, you know what I mean? All the places. Ooh, y'all remember Bungie Wells? I'm what? Bungie Wells, the head man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bungie over there coaching. What's some music you came up listening to? Like what used to get you pumped up when you... I ain't gonna lie, I came up on that guy there, player fly. Yeah. Nobody needs nobody. You know what I mean? I went to school together, we grew up in the same neighborhood. You know, the CEO of Paper Ralph Daddy, yo, that's my real cousin. You know what I'm sayin'? I went to Cass Stadia too. Like my grandma used to own a cafe, you know, the slot machines and all that with the steam towers, in Cass Stadia. Like I went to Magnolia, I did and I went to Hamilton, Doft went to Hamilton, you know what I mean? All like, we all grew up together. Doft didn't play sport, did he? No, I used to cut hair. Yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? Used to be a little barber. Okay. You know what I mean? That's why it shocked me when Big Daddy County, I had the opportunity to invest in Doft. I was in the lead. Damn. Had the opportunity to invest in Money Bag, yo. Lil Larry the DJ, he brunk Money Bag, yo. Shout out to Lil Larry. I sat at the script club one day. You know what I'm sayin'? Like I'm tellin', I had a little rapper then craze, I don't know why I shoulda just, but I was so loyal to a fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? He brunk Money Bag. He was like, man, I'm tellin' you this to do, this to do, but I was just loyal. I was like, man, I ain't got the bag to spread it out there far. You know what I'm sayin'? You still cool with the rapper you had? Man, nah. Hell nah. He didn't even get close? This motherfucker, man, this man, I started putin' Money Bag behind him, that man hit me with, he wanna go back to school. I'm like, huh? I took him back, brunk him down here, got him a drummer boy, we started doin' photo shoot, took him to two-chain video, took him to Louis Vuitton, Stone Officer one day, that man called me. You wanna go to school and do what? Man, moved on Memphis campus. He said, I just wanna go back to school, man. He was a little cun out his dog. You want to knock his ass up? Bro, all my parties want to knock him out too, bruh. You know what I'm sayin'? I ain't never gettin' back with him because he's still talented. I just told him, you need to probably start right. Right for somebody to start. But I passed up on Dolf and Money Bag. Bro, Money Bag, yo, when I, man, cause at first you know how somebody like, somebody come out of nowhere, like, you know, Memphis, y'all probably knew of him and stuff. Man, when he first, I was, him and Gotti did that mixtape. Did it federal or something? Nah, he had the federal mixtape when he first did it. Yeah, see, I miss that wave. The first song I heard was with him and Gotti. That Doin' Too Much or something like that. I'm like, oh, but it corrupt. I heard another song and like it was his flow. I was like, oh, but it hard. But it hard, he got that work ethic down. But see with Dolf, I heard, the first time I heard Dolf was on, fuckin' with Gucci. Okay. And I heard Dolf on there. I knew Dolf, I said that nigga really live in his, cause Gucci, you know Gucci will put anybody on his music. Like, if he feel like you a street nigga or talking about that, Gucci will put like Pee Wee. When Pee Wee first started rapping, Pee Wee one time might, he just talking about what he was doing, but he went rhyming. That nigga Doggie was talking on that bitch. I said, he gotta be doing everything that nigga saying. That nigga Doggie start getting better with that music. He put that work in me. Yeah. On his crown. I was like, man, but I'm glad. You know, everything happened for a reason. I probably couldn't take them boys where they went. They end up in an ideal situation. It would got, yeah. But you know, Dolf stayed independent. You know what I'm saying? Just did the distribution. You would have had them boys too lit though. Man, not really. Cause my cousin, daddy, yo, man, he's, he had, he been had his head on straight cause he was always a street guy. He so big, he was smart to, to, to last that long coming from the streets for real, selling bulls and doing all that coming from the streets. Not having a number probably one farmer that whole time. He was smart. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I probably, he came in big, man. I'm telling you, yeah, yeah. My cabiners spent that money with Gucci and two times came back. Stop pumping. I just seen them. I just seen them go. If you, if you didn't stay down with basketball, but you always said you knew you were going to the NBA. What, what, what else do you think you could have did? Or would have did it? Man, I know, bro. I ain't no telling, bro. If I ain't get bashed by, I probably end up with drug deal or something. They're stupid. Cause that's what I was like. Yeah, that's all you seen. I ain't had that much opportunity. And that's all. I thought you were going to say rapper or something. No, I can't rap. I tried that. For real? I just can't get the beat in my ears. So I'm just talking to you. I went in a couple of times with my wife. Let me see what I can do with you. Yeah. When we get that money, like man, let me go talk my shit off. Cause I was trying to tell you my little rapper was how to say it. Yeah. I said, man, you got to tellin' me. You got to tellin' me. I can't do it. Yeah. Nah, I'ma show. I ain't gonna lie. Well, we shoulda heard. You shoulda brought some of your music. Yeah, we need to do something. Yeah, I got the song too, man. I live with my wife here. She fat. What she saying, man? She feelin', she be like, uh-uh, who is she? Nah, that was my bag. She didn't try that. I said, yeah, my voice don't sound right. I found like one of the five heartbeats on this show. Hey, at least she real. I was talkin' about all the women who got a shit in the car. Listen to their baby daddy, me take that round like, what a cut this shit. Well, I tell people quick, you know what I mean? Like, being a rapper, man, it's excuse to be a loser, dawg, cause there ain't really too many playing Bs and Cs in rapping, dawg. Leasing basketball, if you don't make it, bro, you can be a coach by learnin' the game. You can be in the front office. You can around be a referee, you know what I'm sayin'? Anything. If you don't get no hip, bro, and wind up 35 years old without no hip. Oh, man, I don't even want to know that life. You feelin' girl gonna be on you, nigga? I'm at the studio, come in. You ain't, and she gonna tell you one day, you ain't made a hit shit. No way. Man. You, everybody, I don't never want to tell a nigga don't chase your dream, but at a certain age, nigga, come on, bro. I don't even put age on you no more. I do put age on, cause if nigga, your son a senior, ain't no goddamn way you in the studio. Get the fuck out of that studio and take that boy and get him prom suit, man. I look at it like this, if you didn't count up, if it ain't your purpose, bruh, I feel like I don't care what age, if that was your, if you got all this. A lot of these niggas, it ain't they purpose. Yeah, it ain't, if you ain't got an owner, you been rappin' for 20 years and you ain't had a big buzz and you know what I'm sayin', got paid from it, that ain't your purpose, dawg. It might be selling cars or, you know what I'm sayin'? Nigga be like, man. DJing or somethin'. 20 years, I dropped the streets away. Nigga, we ain't heard the shit, yeah. Man, for real, like, but I feel like people like Tip and all them, I feel like, I feel like he should continue to rap. You know what I'm sayin'? That's your purpose, man. That should pay you. Man, that nigga. You know what I'm sayin'? He a solid dude. And he's still good at rapping. Bro, you go back and listen to like, oh shit, like, I think the error, I'ma say this, the error we came up on them, them rappers was before they time, bruh. Them niggas were young and rapping good as a motherfucker. Yeah. Like, I feel like, bruh, it's just time and time, bruh. We listen to hustling music, comin' up on GZ, Pimp C kinda put us on the abuse music with the Glean and all that. Now we listen to the Grand Theft Auto type music, Scammin', Killin', it's a total different time. Man, Shawn, the beat don't even be done dropped. These niggas done killed three niggas already. Say, God damn, young niggas. Ain't they be rapping, they cold. Yeah, hey, bruh, cause you know when the GZ with me, I let them pink they song, like, you know what I'm sayin'? I try to be fair in the car, don't GZ listen to what I like. But some of them, I say, hey, this or no. God damn. These niggas, and they ain't talkin' about fuckin'. Nah. These niggas just killin'. I don't feel like they even know the power they got. You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, bruh, cause these kids be screamin', they musin' so much, they have all these streams. I don't even ever even heard of these niggas. I mean, what? About the time they get through there, they gon' try to turn around and write them like, damn, I've mislead a lot of my relatives, bruh. Well, what? Them niggas probably, man, them niggas be droppin' out so early, and them niggas probably don't even know what a pencil look like. I'm tellin' you, bruh, I was callin' one year, man, I got in this class, I put out an application to put the job in, and Lamon on the HBCU with Buns & Wheels just left from. Man, they told me what I had to do, they was like, you gotta do a cover letter in the resume. I said, I ain't never did no resume and no cover letter, and you got to do it in business form, I had to get you Googin' and all this, and I'm like, aw, man, I can't even talk like this. Yeah. Fresh accords. Like, nigga, I'ma hands-on. You gotta see me hands-on, nigga. I was in the NBA, nigga. Yeah. But now, you got to learn that, though. You got to have, you got to be versatile with it. Hey, with the college shit, like, did y'all have some privileges and shit? Like, when you knew you were leaving, but like, did you take it serious, though? I too, we had Calipere, I ain't goin' on. Oh, for real? Calipere had them folks pickin' us up on golf carts. You know what I'm sayin'? Around campus? Yeah, and they used to spendin' the block in the classroom to make sure we was in there. Oh, damn. We used to go out, though. We used to go out. Shout out to Calipere, man. Calipere went to every club on the, and went to the news and made a press conference announcement. You probably can Google this, and banned all of us from the club. Man. For real? Y'all don't let nobody in the city, cause they love their team so much, no, none of the promoters are in the city. And they win that, they're like, hey, yeah, we ain't feelin' for that shit. They ain't let us see no more. You know what I'm sayin'? Period. Damn. Calipere's so real, I used to go to a car wash on Crump. And I don't know what information he had. One day, they might pull me in the office one day. It's like, kid, you be at this car wash smokin' these cigars and stuff. Every day, I'm like, damn, I ain't know. He said, kid, don't go to that car wash no more. He said, once you go to the NBA, you can smoke all the cigars you want. But while you're here, you can't go to another one. The next day, the police hit that car wash. The next day, the police ran in that car wash. Think about it, if you were the goddamn ignore that shit, man, it ain't. And then out there. Yeah. They would've let me come up there, because they had a little boom, boom room in the back. Yeah. Things ain't going there. Nobody know you there. The police ran in there, just the next day out. Definitely not look that car. I said, man, I love a car, though. Hey, but look, this might be some awesome inside shit. They probably talking about a car here. Is this one of your players? Yeah, you know, man, Memphis small, man. Memphis just like, imagine Atlanta being just in, man, just in probably the Marietta Park or something. The whole Atlanta with all the little outskirts and all that stuff in one little space. That's just how it is. That's why it's so violent down there like that. I didn't know that shit was so close to Arkansas and Mississippi. Yeah, right there. Everything right there. Smooched it out. Oh, that shit. No one of these niggas staying in trouble. Nobody really go to Mississippi, though. Or Arkansas. They don't go to none of them places. They ain't trying to go to Mississippi. No, when they got them, when they got a hell of a bed and they go, that's an easy place to go to chill. No, man, nothing to chill at Arkansas. If you done did a crime, you a fines on what to chill at? Man, no folk going to go to Vegas somewhere. You can't get caught in them places because they going to ban you. Oh, yeah, OK. They going to charge you way worse than what Memphis will do to you, especially Miss... What? Oh, I know Miss. Man, Arkansas too. Damn. I ain't listen, man. People don't even cross them state line like that for Memphis. So, well, son, man, we hope, we hope, we wish nothing but goddamn success with your coaching and what the word I'm looking for. Endev. Endev. Hey, I was trying to hear the word, man. But what, you had something to say to that? What? You still cool with any of the players on the league? Damn, all of them, though. I just started back using, you know what I'm saying? Because I ain't no big and dude. I don't, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, for sure. But, like, I ain't never left off on bad terms. Like I said, I just with J.O. the other night, Barnes and Wells, even players I don't play with. Josh Howell. Brun, shout out to Josh Howell. I went to Alabama State. He got them brother play for Alabama State. Shmoo, my boy. You know, he picked me for the big three, you know what I'm saying? Because I went overseas one year, and I wanted to win the championship over there. I went over there for about two, three months to play with the Crown Prince and the King. I cut it. We needed one more player. I called Josh. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never played with Josh. Yeah. But the contract, one big and another charge, like, nah, they got to come over there. I take 140, one number, one game. They offer me, like, 70 bands, I think. Josh was like, man, nah, that ain't enough. Damn. I was like, shit, all right. But the next season, Ice Cube had, there wasn't any end up picking me. You know what I'm saying? Making the hundred bands up there. Oh, that's nice. Quick little flip. Yep. Josh still cool. Who else cool? Glenn. Big baby, that's my boy, too. Man, big baby, act it now. Shout out to big baby. Big baby, my boy, big baby, Craig. That's my dog, you know what I'm saying? I done been out there on Big Baby catching a couple of times. Man, every time I think of Big Baby, I think about his ass crying on that bitch, man. He a real nigga, though. He a real nigga. Tyrus was my partner. Tyrus Thomas, Shane and Brown. Tyrus Thomas, he went to LSU, too, no? Yeah. Yeah, man, the Bulls. Because I don't know. Mellow, they signed Hooper. Who else? Caron Butler, UD, D-Wade, all of my Bulls. You know what I'm saying? I don't bug them too much, but, like, we all follow each other stuff over Instagram. Like, you can tell you were real cool and, like, blessed, so niggas ain't got down. Yeah, that's all I do. Yeah. The niggas ain't, if a nigga see you calling, I'm like, oh, let me holler at my boy. A nigga know you ain't calling. Got damn big and all some shit. Yeah, because they ain't, they ain't with that. So I'm gonna go call big Quintet Woods, too. Quintet Woods, it was cold. Yep, Zebo, came out part of me, and Zebo got to squabble him before, but that's still a dog, yo. Boy, that probably one of them one. Yo. Zebo used to always put it in me, too. You know, because he was from somewhere up in Indiana. You know what I mean? He used to kind of see me move around and try to get me to gang up, but I was so high here that I didn't want to. He got behind money bag, yo, didn't he? Yeah, that's who got him. That's why I say it was for his audience, you know what I mean? Yeah. I couldn't do what Zebo was doing for you. Yeah. And got it, you know what I mean? Period. Hey, what's up, man? Man, nah, we appreciate you coming through, Sean. Man, I ain't gonna say we wish you, nigga, once you get your coaching job, nigga, we want you back on this motherfucker. We'll talk about your goddamn team and what y'all got damn prediction for this year, because the shit gonna come. Cupbra, I can just tell you, like, one thing about it, you know how when you're talking to somebody, yeah, you might not say all the right shit, but that shit from the heart. Damn, I mean, I'm not getting it. Like, you ain't gonna tell a player, you know what I'm saying? Hey, sit down, just focus. Like, you gonna tell the nigga straight what they need to hear, and you want to see the best out of them. Right. And that positive shit ain't in the lead, no more well, nigga, like, I want you to do this outside of this. I don't care what you do this game or the next game, what you doing outside of this. Because, like, that's what you said with you. You know what I mean? If somebody would have been thinking that on y'all. Kalari Burr, he tried to be that, you know what I'm saying? I mean, what? Just by me fishing in, like, sometimes I don't even need to show up. You feel me? Damn. Just crazy, you know what I mean? But we oughta be that way. You was a wild nigga, boy. You tried to be that way. He was trying to turn you into him, nigga. You know what I mean? That's why I got the jump from niggas. I got you fit by a mosquito. I caught one, Larry. But I feel like what I'm gonna do now, though, you're gonna make them proud, dawg. Oh, for sure, hell, yeah. Because I wrote a book, too. I wrote an e-book. I'm writing four of them. I finished my first one on formshoes. They'll be able to pick that up on seanwilms.com. I'm just finna give you... Shot that up. We could drop the link on that, too. I meant the title. seanwilms.com. I played through an e-book for, like, parents. Like, say it all at the same time. Hey, nigga, we hear that word? I got that tip, man, you know. Tip teacher. Tip teacher for a lot, too. Well, that nigga's saying some shit for no reason, bro. Right. But I'm finna write e-books just to get parents and, man, people, coaches, players. I don't let, man, just something to go off of. But formally, because I got the sauce. I noticed how I been in the idea, you know what I mean? So I'm finna get the sauce out. Because coaches need it. Some coaches just be out there just giving players something and thinking they're going to make it. Now, that's a way you got to do it and what you got to make it. Right. I don't show. All right, shout out. Any more questions before we get out of here? Yeah, my last question. So when you was in the league now, like, who was some of the youngins that you saw in the league that, you know, people might not have thought it was going to be something. But you know, oh, OK. But you saw, like, damn, you know, and now I came for a service of where, you know, they doing they thing. I mean, a lot of people, I can't really out of there. Yeah. Still some left. Kyle Lowry, PJ Tucker. Kyle Lowry. Kyle Lowry for show, you know, he was a bad kid, man. When we played him, and you and me sipping, man, we played, we was a terrible team too, but we was a good team. We won the Nationals and everything. But I used to get into with Kyle Lowry a lot. For him, for him to change how he was, you know, he from Philly, you know what I'm saying? To be like a grade A professional doll in his standard career like that. Even PJ Tucker doll. That's why I said the league is made of these guys. Now, at the end, all the talented guys who had the tremendous upside, we out of the league. It's all the people who had to go through something early and end up seeing the importance of it in grinding. They don't want to extend their careers. You know what I mean? But like KD too, to be, you know what I'm saying? Like one of the face of the league. You know what I'm saying? And to be mentioned with the greats, like he came out of there and nobody saw that coming for him. And I'm going to tell you one thing. I hated how they disrespected Russ because, bro, when I play, bro, when I tell you, bro, him coming at you a hundred miles an hour, bro, nobody could go out of their mind. It's scary. It's scary. You know what I'm saying? They started disrespecting him and, you know, start messing with his mental. It's hard to play with your mental, bro. That's like 50, 60% of the game. That's probably what they hold tight. They try to throw it in the golf. He went through it though, but he's back to it now. He's a scary matchup. Him and Yannis, that's scary. Yannis paying out something different than I thought. You know what I'm saying? Being a little coming in the league and then turning to the freak show, man, ooh wee. It's a beast. When I was at Miami, coming down here and let you, I'm just like, I'm down there out there hollering for help. Backside. I'm telling them for sink in, sink in. Please, this is what I'm looking for, boy. Yannis. Hey, real quick. I know we was about to get you out of here, bro, but you here, cause we had the argument a couple of weeks ago. You playing with dirt. Yannis or dirt? And what scenario though? She is playing. You need, you need one. Yeah, straight up game. One game. One game. And you playing with them. You on the team. You need one game. Who we playing again? Yeah, that don't matter. So it's a championship game. Yeah, it's a championship game. And they both champions. Yeah, they both and they prime. They both, they pro prime player. Who you got? Coach Williams, what type of player you take? Mine. Mine, man. It's a hard question. Mine, I want to go with a shooter, bro. The championship, but Yannis a dog too, man. Mine got to go with Yannis. I told you niggas, I told you niggas. He can make, he gonna make a couple of them. He might not make 15, but dirt. But I know at the end of the game, that nigga Yannis gonna still be fighting with me. And you ain't got to worry about dirt coming down here and all you dirt just gonna post up, bro. You can push him off the block. You know what I'm saying? He's still a killer. Yeah, he a killer. Don't get me wrong. He's a killer, you know what I mean? But Yannis, I want Yannis on my team though. Defense too. Yeah, defense. He slapping that, he doing all of that. Man, on that note, Sean, you good with me? You become many times, man. It seemed like we got the same mindset. Up to ask some questions, who you was interviewing, Doc Rivers? Yo, yeah, man. Bro, them niggas start hating, bro. So they don't let you in there no more? No, no, the reporter, they ain't gonna say that. We just tense that. You know what I mean? We can sense what we're going on. The tension was kind of high. Them niggas looking like, they ain't like how me and Dawn were moving. Dumb, he coming that smelling like a pound of weed. He lying like hell. Hell nah, we would never go back. Hey, that ain't all the folk chick for late 70s. You supposed to get one and they got six pound up putting it in the camera bag. But this was sports going to that show. Oh, yeah. Like this, authentic joints. Yeah, and Doc Rivers, bro. I had asked Trey Young a question. Them niggas be wanna talk to niggas. They don't be wanna talk to know somebody who gonna mix up their work. I ain't gonna ask you no trickin' question. And if you don't wanna answer, say no. I ain't finna trick you and twist up your word. Niggas, we don't even write this shit. Right. Whatever you said, niggas, we putting it right how you said it. Yeah, we ain't mixin' shit up. Yeah, cause the reporter's so trickin' in there. Asked you a question. Took, do a story down the line. Yeah. They ain't sayin' this and that, but. They ain't be sendin' you up. Send you up for show. Man, before you get out of here, we gotta get you to sign the basketball. I gotta appreciate you for havin' me now. Yeah, yeah, man. Oh, y'all, man. Hey, Coach Williams. We gotta get Coach Williams sittin' on this motherfucker, man. But we wait, man, what? You done played for the plenty team. You done played for plenty team. So what's the fire you a run with, including who you gonna pick up? And you ain't gotta match up with nobody else. It just like, hey, ain't nobody stoppin' this motherfucker. Kobe? Uh-huh. For show. You said the team's out of play week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For show. I do Kobe, Melo. Chancel Billups. Ooh, big shot. Mm, what? Jermaine O'Neill. Vogue. Who else? Me, nigga, I ain't put me in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I put me in there. Yeah, that one, two, three, four, and I'm fine. What? Oh, no, you know what? I can't put me in there. D-Wave, bruh. All right, you off the bench. Oh, man. I had to play with D-Wave. I had to play with D-Wave. And if you do got you on the lineup, what team and what year? What you mean? Your version of you. Yeah, your version of you. My New York year. Okay. New York, Sean Wood. Yeah, New York, Sean Wood. Sprang. I was playing for my life. I was coming out probation. Yeah. As soon as he meet with you. You don't make the team. Coming back and doing it in 1129. I went up there and played my ass off. That's crazy. This will cover what I'm out. You got more. Yeah. Hey, man, we appreciate y'all tuning in to Broken Play. Make sure you check out shunwilliam.com and shout out to Coach Sean William for pulling up on the set, man. Y'all see you next time. That's a trick.