 Alright We are live. Hello Brandon. Welcome to the show. Yeah, it's good to be here. Yes This is gonna be really fun. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited talking about integrated somatic inquiry Yeah, and the simulation and the simulation exactly the holographic universe Oh Yeah, I've really enjoyed our connecting even just leading up to this it's just like you know You have a certain, you know precision in the way that you speak about like liberating contractions, which I really like a lot Why don't why don't we talk about that and it's relation to kind of the holographic universe. So yeah We apparently contract and then we apparently heal and expand so take us. That's so great Yeah, there's so many directions I could take it but just what first comes is like In a contracted State we're not Here we're not we're not present. We're in psychological time and by definition There's a like a projection you could say of the the matrix or the simulation from the now Into past and future and it's we can call it suffering, right? and we'll mistake our life for the projection of our life and Typically it's like having a painful past event That's not integrated which means it's suppressed and repressed Right, which is buried in the body and our conscious mind can say oh I don't mind that anymore and our body's saying a totally different story So we'll talk about ways to like unearth that especially it's rampant and kind of like the New Age world where it's like I had one spiritual awakening all my trauma is done and I'm a healed and I'm Whatever the claim is it's like that's to me is like the the sure sign they have a lot of work to do but the so it's like These experiences that go on integrated they get repressed that then become you could say beneath our conscious mind are like it's like driving in a car and Consistently looking in the rear view mirror trying to avoid a crash that you previously experienced And by continuing to drive and staring in the rear view mirror You're setting yourself up to crash and repeat and repeat it and an entire narrative of who you are based on your past and based on avoiding a future which is guilt and anxiety becomes the norm and People think their way out is money is sex is a relationship a Substance it's some material solution to get out of an immaterial problem and that furthers the trap and the powerlessness and so Yeah, ISI integrated somatic inquiry is it's not about acquiring anything. That's not about learning anything It's not about finding a solution to a problem. It's about dissolving the validity of the problem Nice. Yeah, and in the absence of that is everything. We're looking for in the material in the outcome in the right money. Yeah, and In the absence of looking for it you find it It's like as soon as I look for it I leave it and so I don't need to find it no one needs to get better at finding success happiness or whatever it might be but to question The spell that says this is your way to freedom which by definition means you're not free as you are right And so we go into not just what's happening in the conscious mind, but into the unconscious narratives that We say it's like in the non-dual world, for example our journey to God is this Whoa, I realized the eye that I've been referring to isn't This small self doesn't actually exist I can't find it and the absence of that is everything I'm looking for and that's I remember Rupert Spira saying this That's chapter one of the book and that's the journey to God the journey in God is the integration That is endless and can always become more precise More authentic more loving more bold whatever it needs to look like. Yeah hmm So Damn, I loved at the very beginning when there was that like the contract the contraction itself solidifies Everything including that there's an actual past. There's an actual future completely takes us out of the bliss and the peace that underlies everything already and the freedom that underlies everything already and then through that through that solidity then is the desire to be Unsolid or to dissolve that solidity to heal to do this inquiry into the Soma and And I love the the analogy too. It's like we it's just no way Is it basically the only thing that's happening is either we're True other either we're choosing to repress Or we're not mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah Other we're choosing to stay limited or we want unlimitedness So bad And what's tricky about the repression is it to be consciously aware that you're repressing isn't That's not part of the repression Experience you're not aware that you're choosing it. There's an automatic Reaction that you deem normal who you are Helpful There's some relationship to it that goes. Why would I it's the last thing you would look at to change because it's so buried That it's like we can say we're choosing it But it's it's like the way that we translate the unconscious Automatically choosing it feels like there's no choice But if we zoom out and we look at it as an unconscious choice We can still see it as a choice just to frame it and like oh, we're all sovereign while choosing on certain levels It's just our biology can literally run the show whether we want it to or not, right, right? the energetic contraction runs the body at that point and the That's this is why like You see all those like little kids that are like I don't know scared of something and then like there's like the exposure therapy or even adults that have had a trauma and then there's exposure therapy and that kind of thing but like Like a huge part of it is just like the fearlessness of going into whatever the pain is and Like and just seeing it as a sensation seeing it as a texture, right? Yeah. Yeah something to That is actually a gift it's like it's a diamond, you know, and it's actually where your wisdom is Yeah, I love that part of it, too. So then that like kind of can excite Like what happens if I you know make that call and apologize or what happens if I? You know heal within me that hatred that I have for my family member or whatever How much more free is my heart yeah, yeah, and it's like on the surface, especially in the more new agey Spirituality it's not sexy on the surface. It's like no do plant medicine or you know Some ceremony or ritual and all these things and that's great and what's your relationship like with your parents and your friends and like That's your immediate curriculum because it's it's the the first reflection outside of your body that you know You're not dealing with like it's gonna hit you emotionally where there's contraction Then it's gonna hit you in symptoms and then if you're still not and usually even quicker than this But if you're not dealing with it all of your relationships are gonna become a mirror image of that contraction And it's so it's like yes the way through was always apparent And it's it's what's arising right now that would that feels like it's keeping you From the truth or from freedom and like you said moving right through it. I had this experience where Moving through repressed anger like we mentioned where I really let myself be angry and But not doing anything with it I think sometimes it's like the only way to repress your anger is to beat something up And it's like okay that you can energy can be moved and it can be embraced that way Sure, but embracing energy doesn't it doesn't require a certain movement of the body If that was the case and people that were paralyzed couldn't move anger and they'd be actually limited It'd be because of their body. So it's not universal that you need to do something right to Allow transmutation to happen. It's like you're stepping out of the way of resistance Towards that emotion and it's transmuting itself. All right. It's like they say in Buddhism Reality is self-liberating. So it's like you're letting the liberation happen Same thing they say in Christianity. It's like my you know, they Jesus forgave all of my sins. He took my sins away from me. They're referring to the same thing Yeah, and so I remember this time. I was so angry so beautiful as you said that there was a balloon's animation that came up On the on the because you did that. Oh, that's so I just noticed that's a new update That was happening yesterday with my clients. I would do like something and like a thumbs up would happen I'm like, okay, like zoom we're vibing right now It was great timing with the reality self-liberating itself and also taking the sins away Yeah celebration celebration. Yeah. Yeah. Good news. Good news. Yeah So Yeah, I was I just I just went right into the I was like overflowing with anger and my my reaction was like I have to do something with this which is a subtle resistance to it It's as this has to move. This has to change It's like the same thing as people preaching about patience, which is your ability to wait for something better Which is slavery? Mm-hmm. It's it's enslavement Just be more patient. Just wait for something better than this. It's the same thing. Mm-hmm So versus presence, right? So I was like, okay anger's here and I just went I sat straight down I was pacing back for that sat straight down. I just went right into it I just all of my attention on anger with no agenda and Immediately the seas it inside of me like mother the sea of emotion opened and it was just bliss and absolute Certainty, which was an interesting thing to experience or it's like I know what's at the center of the things we fear because I Coming from an anger repressor. I don't want to go into anger. Like that's scary You know as a kid my parents my dad like there's angry people and I can't do that It's scary. It hurts people right so to go right into that was was to allow that version of me to die And that's why it feels so scary, but in that death is this oh Just this like stilling of the water and this this freedom. Yeah, and and It was such a powerful moment and you know before that I've had many times where it's like, oh, I don't have anger problems I'm liberated conscious mind and then the perfect thing happens to bring it to the surface and it's like Oh, I have no idea what's actually under the surface. This is why any phrase that implies time is false I'm Always liberated and I always will be you know, it's like you start to create time in that moment It's like you can't know What's in your body until it's there any phrase that implies time is false Yeah, it's a trap But yeah, it just it's just again, it's like it speaks to the grounded it's like what I want to call it like grounded spirituality or just telling the truth which is I can't know I Can't know what is gonna unfold and so in the absence of claiming to be anything for value for Whatever it might be. I'm just open to experience Yeah, and in that openness it there's gonna be times where I'm absolutely terrified and contracted and It's not it's like we're not here to avoid those moments It's like actually the more that I can let those moments in the more freedom there is for me Yes, and I will attract situations and circumstances to bring that up because life wants to liberate me. It's like that is the Evolutionary impulse. That's the movement towards order I have to attract the chaos necessary like a puzzle piece that fits perfectly with me to give me an opportunity to be liberated or not And that's like the inherent choice that we have or feels like a choice in that moment But it's just the translation of feeling vast like when you when you feel vast you feel like you have unlimited choice Yeah, and to bring that to those moments is Is the work nice? Yeah, it's like the the mastery the energy mastery of When things contract don't avoid don't escape don't anything just like allow and be with and like process metabolize alchemy is all those things and Because you know, it's just quote a temporary sensation you you know that You know that it's a lesson like you know that it's a learning you know that you know on the on the other side is greater mastery is greater wisdom and Getting really good at that is like any contraction can be expanded for myself and for anyone that I in interface with There's no limit on consciousness that can not be broken that cannot be Alchemized right every single one like that's so empowering. Yeah, yeah, and if that becomes it's like that's a great definition of success for people is Can I be with this? Yeah, and it's like that's my only job is to to question and to Feel or we could say to alchemy's what's in the way of me being with this There's actually nothing more that I want. Yeah, no one nice And it's like they want a million dollars so they can finally be with their life as it is and and stop the effort It's like the Buddha said even a blink is too much effort Even one blink of the eye is too much effort for the Buddha. Yeah, it's like I'm not efforting to be come anything right, but it's like For that to be authentic. I actually have to acknowledge all the places. I still believe I do Need X need to become this need that and and that's Humility damn that's so powerful. Yeah. Yeah Like leaving oneself because oneself is not enough and then getting whatever is thought that will make It be okay Versus As long as the basic needs are met like that component is obviously so crucial Like as long as the basic needs are met. There's really Everything's an inner job. Yeah And up to this point everyone on the planet. That's alive have had their basic needs met enough to be alive, right, you know, and that's that's another it's like right the You can be starving and not mentally and emotionally suffering through and like a practice like inquiry where it's like I'm very hungry. That's actually that's a sensation It's like when I did I did a four-day fast in the desert and it was like there was times I was extremely hungry and that can either lead to a Story that mind puts on top of it that I believe that creates suffering or it could just be completely meeting that sensation which usually Lessons the sensation or completely changes it transforms the sensation and so it's like What I need is what is what I want is usually never what is Right, right, but I like my wants are here to actually bring me back to what I need and what I need is what I have Yeah, and that's the ultimate gratitude to land on Right because then you know you go. Oh, I have everything I need Right now the the lack of what I need only exists in a future and a past Yeah, and that's not in reality. That's just as real as saying, you know Tomorrow there might be a unicorn that shows up on my front lawn like I'm gonna hold on to that belief That's just as true as well. I'll probably wake up tomorrow. They're both just thoughts Hey, so it's like Without in the absence of that I can't have a need unmet Yeah, I really can't Even if I'm starving and I'm this close to death, right? I might say okay. My need is unmet right when I die, but death isn't an experience. It's not like I'm Okay, I'm dying now. No, I'm in this form Then I'm in another form. It's the same way. We have deep sleep, right? It's like I don't experience deep sleep I don't remember it The falling asleep and the waking up are in the same moment Experientially, you know, it's like as soon as you fall asleep. You kind of you wake up I wonder how long I slept for and You don't remember the moment you fell asleep. You remember moments previous to falling asleep. So you actually don't experience Deep sleep, which is the absence of conscious awareness. You're the dog. It's so sweet. Yeah, I think I'm so just sweetie And the point there is just that we so cute that we the same way That it's took completely valid to experience our needs not being met For the sake of questioning that which we need to be a piece in this moment Which wouldn't can't wouldn't take us away from eating From drinking water. Yeah, it's not gonna take us away from the practical things It's just gonna remove the layer of suffering we stack on top of it Which really just gives us access to be more creative and resourceful in the midst of Something that's challenging the body, right It's so good, so So So basically everything is that's being liberator just things that have been stacked on top of and If we think of like where did this stacking start? Yeah, there's no cause We can't find. Oh, it's my this ancestor. It's this moment if we want to like go into time It's the big bang, you know, it just goes all the way back So when you look for like someone to blame there's not it's just life And so it's like, okay. I'm the intended result of you know, 13 points something billion years of movement and I can't say this one thing or that one thing is the cause of my suffering or the cause of my trauma Yeah, but it doesn't take away from working with memories And this is what I do in clients because back to the holographic nature of reality and that one slice that one frame It contains the whole yeah, so so you can access all the information you need Based on one specific pattern that may and be you know the result of billions of years But the way that it played out in that moment has all of the information of what's going on in that individual psyche and That repressed emotion that if liberated would render That pattern and its repetition obsolete. Yeah Simply because you're not invested in it as a source of safety or love anymore, right? So we still use as we used to use time To dissolve time yeah, so it's like let me let's go to this memory and see why it makes sense to a young part of your psyche That needs to hold on to it. There's something some need. It's like this book called existential kink It talks about Loving our shadows and getting off on our own drama and like I love the drama and I need this because the struggle and the you know like humans and So we could still find why Why the psyche holds on and it's always for a sense of Safety protection love right that's been confused for safety and protection and love And when they find that and they make the the unconscious conscious That splitting in the mind is is no longer and it just becomes irrelevant and it's like the phrase Forgive but don't forget. It's actually forgive and do forget We we forget what we no longer need the brain goes. Why would I hold on to this? Click on to something. That's already even been healed into metabolized. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I get that reflection It's such a funny one. It's like bruh like you're done with this like what are you doing? Are you coming back? Yeah, you're doing here usually cuz it has a message. It's like you're not done with me or You know because what I what the the deeper holographic perspective is like I'm projecting that version of the past right now Be based on as a reflection of my state of being right now. I'm magnetizing Certain versions of my past and the past is a dynamically changing structure. It's not linear So as I shift my past my future shifts and that might seem like Re-emerging memories new memories different perspectives on memories, but it's all a reflection of my State of being in the now. I'm going to access Memory as a reflection of that state and I'm going to project a type of future as an extension of that state And the future I'm going to project is going to feel like Excitement and inspiration for unlimited possibility. Yeah, if I'm in an open state, yeah, and if I'm contracted It's gonna feel like avoiding anxiety. Yes. Yes nice I love With cleanup like I love going into the the holographic frames like that's such a good way to such a Poignant way to describe what it's like to go somewhere that feels like there's all a contraction of light and sort of in this timeline within the body in the cellular memory itself and and and Fearlessly go into it. Like that's like I think that that's probably like one's own like claim of safety Like imperturbable safety, you know, if that is like claimed like fully like I am that Then it's like everything's allowed. Mm-hmm. You know, like let's go So then that what's like what's a classic like fear avoidance or anxious response? No, no, no, let me go That is no longer because it's like excitement around the mastery for the wisdoms for For not having to repeat the patterns later To be more free. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, well said Yeah It's it's it's funny like seeing it as like an advertisement that kind of pops up it's just like like There's the I mean in you become energetically masterful enough to be able to determine like when things are quote like So much here. It's so funny I'm sure you get this you probably get this a lot you get like pop-ups, you know for like the client that might Not actually be ripe Or something like that and you know, you've went down this path before Where you invite the client in for a session even though you know, they're not ripe or whatever and then the whole hour is like Nothing changes So it's just like discernment, you know ripeness Like ripeness for transformation. Yeah for healing for this work And like a surrendering of trying to morph reality through the external acquisitions of endless sorts Yeah, it's like, okay fine like it's okay. So we're gonna morph from here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Well, yeah, you're speaking of I've used these terms before going from an outside-in approach versus an inside-out Approach and we're still like speaking in dualistic terms, but it's helpful because it's Well, if I'm not ready, I have to go outside in I have to look for something outside of myself because it's so scary to look Within and face the things that six seven eight-year-old me made a decision at one point not gonna ever do that again don't know how to process this and I'd rather wear a mask and become some persona then feel this and and die because it in a Trauma response and that the cell danger response in a what's called the DHS, which is a Dirk Hammers syndrome, which is in German New Medicine term. It talks about being caught off guard Isolated and completely overwhelmed and when that hits all at the same time There's an adaptation that happens in the brain, right because this is overwhelming We need to adapt and help the organism survive and that can be from something physical happens all the time It's like if you are driving in the car and a Cars coming at you and you have this split second thing before it even started because your subconscious is so tuned in and powerful It's already adapting to you. It might turn on more Cells in your lungs so you can breathe better. It might you know Start to people dilate people dilate it might start to reinforce your skin and like create more cells on your skin to Guard you and then the next day you might have some pimples or the next day you might have You know some mucus to then get rid of those extra cells that you no longer need and it's happening It's turning on and turning off just like that, you know, let's say in that physical context but because our body doesn't know the difference between what's happening in imagination and mind and physical reality You can be in a metaphoric car crash Just first thing waking up in the morning because of some unprocessed integrated thing that gets triggered and that adaptation can turn on That over time is what chronic disease is. It's the continuous turning on not resolving Slowly coping or repressing turning back on and you're going in and out of healing and adaptation and healing and adaptation And you're not sustaining the healed state on a biological level, right? And so I think the new paradigm of Medicine what we're gonna see is just a reflection of the understanding that it's all mine Yeah, it's another way of saying consciousness and that if we're looking for cause and effect We have to put them in their correct places Which is inside inside the mind right the consciousness of the individual both cause and effect Yeah, and when we do that there's a complete total shift in our orientation towards life Because no longer are we at the effect of life the life is not affecting us. It's it's reflecting us Yeah, right, so it's like ah I'm I'm invited to see what I'm causing Suffering resistance Whatever it might be when this thing seemingly is the cause of it It's actually revealing an internal cause. Yeah, and when I use it that way I start to play the game of the game, you know, like the game of life where sold is Work for 40 years external yeah make money, you know American dream have a family to and then you'll be at retire one day then you'll be happy and Like you said, it's external. It's about acquiring something And now if you look at the that process, there's no emphasis on the process It's all about and result game of the game Isn't what am I getting? It's who am I being now? Yeah in relationship to what's happening. Yeah, and if that becomes my number one value in life not to get not to Just that as my number one I start I enter the game of the game And am I only goal is can I be with reality as it is number one? Goal of game is frequency of one's own Frequency one's on freedom. Yeah internally at the cause right of the hologram, right? Where there's just like joy overflowing and like able to serve because of that yieldness inside. Yeah It's so good and then like timelessness Natural I like I love the analogies you were using with with athletes also That's just such a spot on because it's such a or Musicians or whatever. There's there's no sense of self. Right. It's just a waterfall of Shooting Yeah, it's the the you that is experiencing the inspiration isn't there. It's just inspiration. Nice. It's just passion Yeah, and in that there it's it is self-fulfilling. Yes. It doesn't lead to fulfillment Right self-fulfilling very cool and self-perpetuating the more you're passionate About passion the more it snowballs on to of itself and it the the means is the end And so when the means is the end It's like what I'm looking for has to be here now and if I'm under the illusion. It's not that's my work. Nice beautiful Yeah, exactly. Oh, it's so good Basically, so then the work is if something doesn't feel timeless and free and ignited as self-passionate Then that's where the work is absolutely because you're gonna be under some spell of obligation Right and where there's obligation. There's guilt And where there's the guilt there's past and whereas there's a guilty past. There's an anxious future Yes, so it just takes us right back into that and so you can't be absolutely living in truth in that moment Now it doesn't mean it's like Like I'll give you an example if I Gave my word to someone say I'm gonna do this for you and then in that process I discovered Oh, this is not what I want to do. There's two paths you can take You can be honest about it and say actually this isn't true You know, I'm actually there's no part of me. That's excited about this Something has genuinely changed within me to where I'm a different version of me than the one that originally made this commitment And so you're more committed to the truth than you are to an arbitrary commitment Right and that's can be very relieving for the other person because they're gonna I don't want someone that doesn't want to Create this for me or team up with me in this way. So that's gonna create space for them, right number one number two is they're not on the same wavelength as you and There's a version like where you can speak that truth, but as a compassionate concession Do what you said you were gonna do because it might be the path of least resistance for everyone involved Yeah, and it's like then it's like can I Do this but do it in a way that does excite me, right? Can I can I change my experience of The task in a way that actually works for me And so often we can do that or that were that free and flexible, you know It's not just the inherent task that either creates excitement or passion It's really who we're being within it and a lot of times just the coming back to the truth and Then making a choice not from obligation relieves us from you know the anxiety the pressure or whatever it may be Yes, and so it's not like it's so good. A lot of people will take this teaching of excitement inspiration Moving in the direction of truth and let ego hijack it and as soon as they are committed to someone and it gets sticky Go, it's just not my truth. My truth is to leave and what they're really saying is I'm afraid, right? Right. Yeah, and it's like if there's fear truth is hidden. Yeah, you can't See you don't have vision you have sight. You don't have vision when you're in fear So you can't say I know this is not true for me if there's fear simultaneously because they're not coexisting You're either in fear or not and so it's like making all choices from that place of Neutrality and not Riding the high or low of an emotion. Nice is Yeah, you know, that's like kind of stoic Neutral sober. Yes path. Yes. Yes. Nice. Nice. I love that and that's that feels like a great way to marry the the masculine spaciousness neutrality with the kind of feminine sensuality of everything anything Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Oh I love that Cuz it's just it's so nice when it's like felt balanced inside. It's almost like neutrality is Sensuality And it's like it's the balancer You know, you're not on a extreme polarity Of anything. Yeah, it's like you've come to the third to the middle way, right? And in that it's like something will spontaneously arise Through me and that's true Whatever that is exactly and how do I know it's true because I have this sense of choice Which is always that's the opposite of feeling like a victim all a victim is is I don't believe I have a choice It's the illusion of the the choice being taken away from us And in that feeling limited and contracted in the absence of that it's like I feel so Expansive and then we translate that we go. I have so many choices and options. I could do I could be anything So like in that free space of inspiration Whatever arises on behalf of it isn't arising on behalf of ego. It's not arising on behalf of separate self It's arising on behalf of life Yeah, and going this is something that only you can bring through and the setup is you're just You just so happen are going you're going to love it Like it's built into you having absolute fulfillment to say yes to that That's just how it's set up and that's great Yeah, like yeah everything that's flowing becomes absolute fulfillment and it is Before there was ever one that was We I'm watching Yeah before there was ever a contraction that started to limit or to hijack or manipulate or control or any of those things Which has been such a beautiful process in a way of unlimited unlimited and limitizing Oh Because then the joy is the natural fountain like the the peace the sensuality all of those things are there's the natural fountain But that it's all kind of twisted up twisted up in all kinds of bodily cellular psychiatric Places and then it's like oh my gosh, you know teacher help me right. Yeah. Yeah And Religious master, you know, whatever help me and It's just it's also super important to like be discerning about all of that too because there's all kinds of like shadowy stuff that happens within that totally and so then It's like Identifying the most rapid pathways for liberation for healing for expanding the contractions and then Ceasing the simping afterward so like now we come as equals Right, so if I need to if I need to suck the tit a little bit to get what I need to heal what I need Right, but then you know, you're always punching me back into my my freedom my sovereignty my wholeness and I'm like Oh shit. Oh, okay. All right, you know after some years of work or whatnot like boom Now it's like you can turn around and become the tit Yeah, yeah, yeah and help suckling on your own teeth And what I love about that too is like This happened this comes up a lot with my clients like at one point They might say something like yeah, this person you guys saw this person and they Healed that helped me heal this or healed this thing in me or there's some Attributing to the other person for their healing and it's not that we can't use language to like Give appreciation for our experience because it's yeah My experience was maybe I sat down with someone something was said it hit me like a ton of bricks and I go I couldn't have had that experience without the other person, but the moment the The ego grabs ahold of that and goes well, that's how you heal now You find the people with the things that you need get it from them as if it's like you can just reach into them Grab the healing and then put it in you where you need it right like hey if that was the case It's like you should here take just it's in this basket Here's your healing just take that and consume it drink this, you know, it's like we would all just be Drinking the same healing juice if that was the case so it's the questioning of has Have I ever Actually given my power away not the I need to take my power back from a guru But did I actually give it away in the first place or was it my believing and Thinking and then subsequent feeling that generated my entire experience and they were a stand-in They were permission exactly and so they actually can't like it's a it's a fallacy to say someone can take my power Yeah, because I'm using my power to create. Yes to create that dynamic Yes, exactly. So the whole actual demonstration was a demonstration of your power. Yes just being filtered through a more limited Yeah, yeah, yeah You needing the experience or the lesson of quote outsourcing and being reflected back hopefully purely That hey you're outsourcing Exactly yeah, it's like Eckhart Tolle said he said the what's useful about suffering is to suffer until you realize It's no longer useful. Yeah, and that's great and for me, you know I I welcome all kinds of mentorship. I welcome I have men's group that I co-lead and it's like Yeah, I realize I have an unconscious mind that I can't always see and others because they're not me can see what I can't see And so the openness to just See me. Yeah, see what maybe I don't see the defenselessness which is perfect It's like there's a freedom in that right and that's that's where this work has taken me It's not taking me to the freedom of defenseless. Yeah. Oh, that's such a good one Yeah, just like freedom of vulnerability, but I but I like defenselessness Yeah, it's like we're all one consciousness on Unlimiting itself, right? Yeah, and in the defenselessness. It's like someone might say you don't trust you because of this And if your response is yes It's not what it's like I'm gonna look at that. Yeah, yeah, like I'm I'm energetically open to that being absolutely true What are you defending? Right? Where's there's no suffering even if there's contraction Just an idea or a thought right because of the moment you go into defense you crystallize the separate self It's like now. I'm this one being attacked by you and like there's there's the fight right there, but if it's like If there's no defense, there's just then Either that's bringing unconsciousness to the surface and I'm in contraction with you in which case I want that Like I want to know where I'm contracted. Yeah, exactly, right? Or I defend it and I fight for the limitation. God, it's so good to hear it this way It's like we're all on teams to expand contractions and to stop defending. Yeah our Those contractions and if that's our conscious agreed context for relationships, that's really cool Yeah, because it's kind of like hey like where why are we in relationship? Chemistry fun joy love all these things great and it's a context for this kind of integration right that I I'm never going to be able to genuinely say again in time that I'm just done with I don't need to say that Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, I'm just open to it never ending exactly when I'm open to that I do feel a sense of yeah, right like that. Yeah, it's like already free and yet always Unlimiting itself, right? So and then like that's like the beauty of the school or the dojo or whatever. How are you want to call it? It's like there's always like breaking limits always here there everywhere like And like free free people free people free people free consciousness free consciousness Abundance to joy for all like let's go build a new world. Let's have fun Yeah, let's children be born into perfect harmony with nature and technology all this kind of stuff and Like that's kind of also this like it's an you can't transcend and go somewhere Right because that is this. Yeah. Yeah, the same thing. So right. So that's why it's like this active excitement about Existence about relativity about love dancing with itself about yeah. Yeah, yeah And it's also why things like war when we see us atrocity There's this an innate kind of rage response because we we see a violation of truth Yeah, and we we know it's not true Because all of us deeply know who we are what what we are we have this deep intuition of wait, I don't think I'm just this body I don't think this is random and we might be so steeped in denial that we can't admit that to ourselves yet But most of us have this intuition that I'm greater than this and that sense in our body is the Yearning to be free. Yeah, and so when then we see the opposite of that extreme oppression violation of you know Kind of human rights human rights just genocide what we're seeing right now in the Middle East like you see that and you go this affirms The opposite of what's true exactly. This is you could say Lucifer. It's like the inversion of truth It's completely upside down and so it evokes Just this is I think this is from the Bible evokes God's will within me tyrants Tyranny evokes God's will within me So it's like the will of God is to be a stand for truth Yeah, and you could say that's what it looks like in action to know it looks like peace but in action It's like I'm making a stand for it I'm demonstrating it because there's no there's nothing between my knowing of it and my doing of it because those are synonymous They're the same. Yes. So when I'm actually standing for it, I'm demonstrating and teaching. It's my ministry I'm teaching the truth. Yeah, and we all have a unique way of doing Yes, it could be art. It could be fundraisers. It could be whatever it might be that arises spontaneously in that state of truth I remember why I was going with that. Oh gosh. That's that's so perfect. Oh, right. But yeah, the war the war Again, it's it's a mass It's like a mass permission slip to remember what's true Yeah, and then to have an opportunity to stand for it or not and it's like that that's a test to pass Yeah, yeah when enough people stand for the truth in the face of what's not true We're completely accelerating this awakening process On a mass scale Yeah, and so equal and opposite reaction the greatest atrocity holds the key to Greatest fulfillment. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. There's so many good ways to play with this Wow the The stillness and the peace and the freedom The emptiness is not a ground. It's not a place to go and Transcend into or hide from relativity, right? and It's so beautiful when one fully kind of embodies this What you were saying like tyranny in a way it triggers God's will for Transforming injustice. Yeah. Yeah into freedom love unity abundance all these things and Just like one of my favorite things is like recently has been All of the quote like we've been calling it like spiritual cunt. It's kind of like this archetype of just like Transcend it and like right. Yeah. Yeah the bypass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and like And like just like taking them by the genitals and like bringing them into Gaza You know bringing them into the middle of where there's human rights violations There's no basic needs being that people are suffering limbs are cut off bombs are dropped all this kind of stuff because it can't live There yeah, that can't live there. Yeah, so it it auto integrates, right? It's forced to see What it's actually up against yeah in terms of healing separation wounds trauma multi-generational traumas of border conflicts and And so when you look and you see like two people that are literally from the same land that have Have had an imaginary border drawn between them that now hate each other, right? That happens everywhere around the world, but that's where all your work is Mm-hmm That's where all the work is like It's it's not like hmm. Oh So good. There's nothing Yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, that is this so great like yeah let's Let's alchemy is like the root like your own root chakra itself is The center of the earth where all of the knot of seeing separation and seeing and feeling pains and Protection and wounding and hoarding and all kinds of things like that's where all of the work is and if you're actually Unlimited consciousness then You would want to swan dive into Liberating all the limits right because you came here to eat those limits, right? Yeah, yeah Like that's what you were saying earlier the fearlessness Yeah, it's like the spiritual bypasser is a coward, you know by default and it's not wrong or bad It's just the I don't want to go to war or I don't want to stand for something where my personal life existence self may be Threatened so there there can't be a selflessness because there's so much concerned with the self So no, I'm not gonna do that but the reason I'm not gonna do that is because it's not spiritual Right, so that's the justification to keep the fear alive and then they keep the image of No, but it's spiritual and if I believe it hard enough I don't have to actually look at the fear where in truth the more spiritual thing to do I'll just give this as an example It's like if someone in your backyard right now if there's an old lady in her purse is getting stolen It would be to go stop that. Yeah, it could be to interrupt the conflict. It's like, oh, that's just a hologram Yeah, there's no built-in meaning. It's like this super feminine The only truth is that it's all subjective and da da da. It's like bypass fear. I'm so concerned for myself I don't want to be in danger and it's like deep identification with the body masquerading as spirituality But spirituality is what's the honest like what's most honest and I actually like that better than the word Spirituality if I if I have to teach yeah, if I have to teach what's most spiritual It's gonna be what's most honest Yeah, and and that comes back to the truth setting us free Yeah, and I teach the three levels of truth telling which is like I'm getting I'm telling the truth with me and me What's actually going on in here? What am I afraid of? What am I repressing? And then can I tell those truths to my most intimate relationships? I'm just gonna bring up. It's like where the rubber meets the road Yeah, and then can I tell that truth to the world love if I can do that Yeah, it's like me standing on a mountaintop and everyone's seen every thought every experience I've ever had yes liberation and it's either gonna scare the shit out of you or excite you So same thing. It's like the truth of that moment is oh This old lady and her her bag being stolen is is is a person in ignorance believing that in lack and like his only way to feel powerful to feel abundant is to take and Steal and that's gonna cause him suffering for the rest of his life Yes, of course the lady as well, but he's gonna remain in suffering. So for me to End that like do what I can to end that But then demonstrate the truth to him. That's the evolutionary impulse like that's right That's the most loving thing to do. I'll tell this quick story I was in London one time and I'm in this park and I hear this woman screaming help Help he's stealing my baby And I'm with my girlfriend at the time we're having a little picnic and I can't see this woman I just there's just a hillside. I know she on the other side of the hill and without even thinking I just Sprint rice and I just get on top of this hill and I see what's happening in this guy like three women Including her life for and he's pulling the baby out of her arms And it's not too violent because it's baby so little it's like they're trying to be careful But also kind of trying like wrestling over this baby and I have this moment where it felt like a lifetime You know of a pause even though it was probably three or four seconds and my animal brain said go in and Get him in a in a rear naked choke. It's like my jiu-jitsu days like I can choke him out five five seconds It's fine, and I had all this whole image of me doing that and in that version my heart's pounding And there's so much adrenaline because I'm like I'm gonna have to put this guy down and then Something dawns on me. I mean it felt like there were a ten thousand angels at my back And it was like he needs the love. Yeah right now, right? So go in and stop this. Yes, and give him love Yes, and so I went up and I put my hand on his back and I said you're not a bad guy I know you're only doing this and this was like I couldn't plan this. This was just coming through me Yeah And I was like I know you're only doing this because you really care because I started to gather It was a custody battle thing, right so it was like that you because you really love your daughter If you didn't care you wouldn't care. Yeah, exactly And I get that you're really angry and I'm gonna stay here until you're ready to talk And I put my and he goes you keep your hand on my back. I'm gonna hit you. I said hit me hit me I'm not going anywhere, and I just said I'm gonna hit you. I'm gonna hit you I'm gonna hit you and I just okay I just keep my hand on it and I'm just following him. He's kind of pacing and they start to leave and he kind of calms down he looks at me and He's like looking down kind of ashamed and I said look at me and he looked up and I said If your daughter was of age and could see you right now. Is this what you want to teach her? And he goes Looks down 10 seconds made me a silence and he just looks at me goes Thank you and walks off. Yeah, it's great, and I sat there like what just happened. Yeah, I felt so used by God in that moment and This like layer of like I'm so fucking protected if I say yes to what's true Even if someone wants to punch me in the face and it's threatening me like if my Devotion to what's true is stronger to their devotion to what's not true, right? They'll attune to the energy. I won't attune to them. Yeah, and it was like Can I be a stand for that? Yeah Such a good one such a good one It's like being so aligned Impenetrable aligned that Nothing can Pop up that would change that and and also the pop-up would then Be morphing if it's right be morphing to that alignment within themselves. Yeah It's a power over force Classic Hawkins. Yeah, it takes so much to not be absorbed into that field because it's so powerful and Eventually when you're in that field Either someone has to run away desperately and double down which takes so much energy. Yeah, or they completely depolarize and just Join Nice, yeah geez I Mean there's so many ways to Continue pulling and playing on on this. I want to I want to wrap because of the upcoming call that yeah Let's actually show We have a brand in sight here we have We have some of his integrated self-inquiry somatic inquiry content also you can go check out His current offerings testimonials You can see what it's like to work with him. These links are all in the bio below also in the description It's got really good content on on Instagram. Also for you to check out a lot of these Memes are just crack me up. They're so good They're just also like a lot of really good direct Pointings at things like the middle way or ways to like liberate contractions and So here's also YouTube. So yeah, all of this is in the Description to go check out Let's see Yeah, I mean any other closing closing remarks Nothing really coming Yeah, I feel like we're we're stumbling into very powerful like brotherhoods Right now hundred percent. Yeah, I do I would mention that there's this It's part of this that the journey in God in a journey to God journey in God journey in God being the process of continuous integration and whereas the truth of what I found in God Not being lived in my life and like that's it I'll use this as a metaphor It's like I go to God and I find what I'm looking for and then I bring it into my life Relationships business and that looks like in in business and art and creation. It looks like inspiration in relationships, it looks like love in Existing in nature. It looks like beauty, right? So it's like I'm continuously That's my game of the game and there's something really important right now around The battle of the sexes the men and women and coming back. It's so interesting to these very Traditional roles without the dogma. Yeah through the grounded understanding of we have biological bodies still right that have Proclivity that I don't really control, you know, I can't undo my attraction to a female I can't go okay turn off. I'm discovering that I'm discovering a The bot my body's Pull into Union or to Procreation or whatever it might be and so it's so before it might be might have been considered just not spiritual because it's so Gross, you know gross in terms of like dense and earthly. Yeah, right But I think that's like this this new form of grounded spirituality where it's like let's actually go all in on the earth Yeah, let's go all in like the body and I think that's why I've been drawn to Germany medicine as well with like actually The more I embrace the body and life that that is the most spiritual thing to do Love it and that might look like something so simple and I'll just use the gender or for example It's like you have feminism and the the masculinization of women the emasculation or the feminization of men and With the promise on both sides that there's more freedom in that way of being Right the women it's like if you're become this badass boss, babe, whatever, you know Climb the corporate ladder like you're gonna be filling the blank Just another form of seeking another form of materialism playing out And then there's a version of that for men that they're taking on and none of this is new on the archetypal level It's just another form of seeking But in the undoing of it what we're starting to see is this like renaissance of remembering. Oh there's a natural way that these bodies and the strengths that are advantageous to just living up a very ordinary existence There's strengths in either in both of us that when put together work like nature work like synergy work like the trees and the Bushes and the animals in the water and I'm loving Investigating that yeah, I'm playing in that right now like oh This is actually really important and anything in the way of My own process of self-discovery. What does this look like for me truthfully and honestly not because not a spiritual ideal Not some political like point of view that I was fed but like what is being a man? look like and feel like to me and Where before it was like That's why would I consciousness is not a man It's not a woman like and I and it's and it's like you have to go there Yes, they then come into yes the grounded reality without looking for some sort of like Salvation through it. You're just looking for what's true for you what feels yes, totally in integrity and in alignment and Yeah, it's like they've been this like redefining of masculinity for me over the last Right eight months that has been really fun, right, right? Yeah, like unwinding everything that's built up on top of this Pure consciousness and then from that being able to integrate into the body into its Partnerships unions all kinds of things and then just watching how that is way more creatively powerful yeah, and and Also that like There are certain things that I feel like have been conditioned purposely by um Quote the forgetting like the kind of that's a toxic gas of forgetting right right and And one of the most powerful ones that is showing up more and more as with father fatherly discipline of like hey Wake up is that you can't just be leaking your own sexual energy everywhere, right? It's like the most powerful force. Yeah in the whole cosmos and you're just like Over here subscribe to this only fans thing like whatever like oh we can fuck on the third date Whatever no problem like has no repercussions even though. I really love you or whatever like Like madness. Yeah. Yeah madness and then you wonder why there's no secure attachment Then you wonder why nobody can get married and last long in marriage and have Three six twelve kids that are all awake children, right? Like like Jedi's. Yeah. Yeah, like it's just you could you talk about it But you can't manifest it because there are certain toxic gases that are still built up and Yeah, and it's this with the sexual energy piece. It's like You will wear rose colored glasses most often because you're dealing with the most powerful energy and existence and if you haven't integrated and and had a level of maturity to Handle that responsibly you're gonna feel oxytocin and call it love I'm in love and in that yearning for love which it and through the oxytocin from sex It's like it's such a powerful powerful biological bonder You will look over often not always but most people they'll look over tons of red flags They'll falter on their own values probably because they don't even know them But so much will get put under the rug. Just keep giving me this Yes, I'll do whatever it takes for this feeling and it's called being ruled by your feelings And when men enter that space, which is like what we've been encouraged to do by society It's like be more in your feelings, which they're pointing to something. That's true Yeah, we need to be willing to be vulnerable and honest and if that makes us cry then we have to be willing to fully go there But if we start following the well, this just feels good. So I'm a yes to it. We become pleasure addicts And we're not actually discerning. We're not courting. We're not yeah. Yeah, exactly. There's no discipline There's no wait. Let's have a space where we can actually determine if we're compatible without the rose colored glasses on all of these other levels because at the end of the day the sexual act is It's point one percent of the time. It really is and it's such an access point to intimacy. Yes It creates life and it's not In of itself, it's not doesn't create intimacy people can have sex and not be intimate, right? So it's like man To remove that for a period of time where there's so there is an attraction and your your That's that's why I like What the Christians point to wait till marriage for sex. It's not that that needs to be an arbitrary rule It's that they're pointing to like a sobriety of like am I in this for the right reason? Perfect. Yeah, exactly sobriety of those talk shit talk toxic not nauseous get gases and That that that sobriety giving you the ability to look on all of these levels of compatibility and relatability and Yeah, everything everything. It's so juicy. It's so juicy and it's not yeah, it's not like you said it's not there's filtering through Must get sexual intercourse. Yeah, exactly. Yeah It's so funny. Okay. Okay. Yeah, we should we should wrap so oh my gosh so good so good here Here we go. Like this is what we're feeling so much as this new frequency Like we're fully in our power fully in our sovereignty in balance fully in balance and then we come together as equal brothers and sisters from this place and Co-create this new world paradigm all the healing that needs to happen all these new light cities all of this free energy basic needs abundance all these things like Like this is it like this is the anchor point. This is the well point. This is like the root fully As a sword in the center of the earth like let's go from here Yeah, it's yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. It's so beautiful like Having you here live in Austin. It's really good. Yeah, really good and so fun. Yeah. Love this love this work Love this conversation and Yeah, it's like when two or more gather he is there, you know, and it's like I think it's exponential. It's not two and two is four. It's two and two is 16 When there's that alignment and synchronicity and Yeah, yeah exactly and If you guys want to there's all the links in the description below checking out Brandon's work in more detail and also If the content brought you value, of course like subscribe if you haven't yet comment below with what you think resonated the most and share the content also to people that you feel like it would resonate with and I'm just really looking forward to continuing to play together and yeah and create and Yeah, yeah likewise, bro. Super cool. All right much love. Thank you so much for tuning in and we will see you soon Bye-bye everyone