 Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, you CEO, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing, awesome, Ms. Jamaica. I'll take that. Walk on, you know my deal, but I want all y'all to remember y'all to follow us on all social media platforms, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, you name it, but the most important one is Patreon right now. That's where y'all have to go to see our full length interviews after a while. We're giving it to you on YouTube, but after a while you ain't gonna see our full length interviews no more. So if you want to see the signup for our membership, little y'all got it, you know. But thank you in advance. All right? Man, hey man, we got a guy here today, he really don't need no introduction. This guy right here, man, I've been, I've been actually a fan for a long time, man, a lot of respect for this whole camp. I'm gonna be real with you, man, from a young man, very young man, I've been rocking with these guys, man. You've been seeing a lot of affiliates on the show, man. So this the icing on the cake right here, man. Oh, we've been hearing a lot of stories. Check it, man. Sip the chakas in the bill. How you doing there? High service there. Glad to be here, my brother. Glad to be here. Hey man, thank you so much for coming on the show, but just to be real with you, man, thank you for everything that you brought to the game. You know what I'm saying? Appreciate it. You win already, because a lot of brothers ain't here. You know what I'm saying? And I always have to start the show like that, acknowledging the fact that we blessed to even be here. So man, hey, man, I'm going to do it the way we do it, man. Mr. Makler can't wait. She's smiling right now. So I like to know you as a man. I don't always. I promise you, like, I like music, but I think I fall more in love with the music if I know the person and what you've been through and so forth. So I know you're from New Orleans. So tell me what it was like growing up in New Orleans. Now it started off tough, but you know, I think those kind of like tough moments. Give me an example of a tough moment. Just start off. First of all, we was considered a murder capital of the world. So just growing up in that environment where it was like a doggy dog world, like I lost a lot of my homies and stuff like that. Why is it known as somebody else said that on the show? And I googled it and I didn't see where it was known as the murder capital of the world. So where does that come from? So, I mean, this, because I mean, at that particular time for that for that city, it was had the most amount of murders for that time. Yeah, yeah, most amount of murders for that time. OK, so you were raised with your mom, dad? Both. Both in the house. Because, you know, nowadays, I don't know back then. Nowadays it wasn't it's not a common factor. Usually, you know, the mom over here with the kids, the daddy over here and so forth. So did you know that you were special in that aspect? No, I mean, my mom and dad was together, but then, you know, they kind of like split up a little bit off and on. Yeah, OK, it's kind of tough a little bit. But some of us were my mom, someone without dad. And that's how it was, you know. Did that affect you mean split up with your siblings? Not really, because we always see each other all the time. But I know that looking back, it did. It did. It was like, you know, sometimes you need your dad's tiny mom, whatever. So it was one of those things where we couldn't really have them both at the time. So that was tough. See, I love the fact that you acknowledge that because some people who sit here like, oh, no, I was good. It didn't affect me. But it does affect you one way or the other, you know. Whether relationships, how you do a woman, a man, how you deal with people, somehow it does affect you. So when did you figure out that you wanted to do this music thing? Hey, man, what do I tell you about doing that? Don't just run up on that man with that question like that. You don't know nothing about no music. You know, I got to say that. I'm not getting into the music. I just want to know when did you and why did you want to venture into the music? We did it for more like stay out of trouble, you know what I'm saying? It started like just just kind of killing time so we won't get in the streets. And then we was like out of nowhere, which is like, let's take this music thing serious, you know what I'm saying? But I heard y'all were basketball stars. I'm like, that would normally keep you out of trouble as it is and keep you occupied. Not enough. Not enough. Still got spare time. Yeah, no spare time to be needed. We was from here, for sure. Man, I just, you know, when I think of you guys, man, just and I read I mess with her because she's Jamaican and really she don't be following that rap like that, you know. But she you asked about Bob Marley or Bougie Bunton or one of them guys. That's a different world over there. You know what I'm saying? But definitely I from an early age just always love you guys movement. Kevin Miller, I asked I've asked Bob about it. I asked, you know, I asked a lot of people that I interviewed about him. And being your brother, I got to ask you about, like, early on losing your brother like that. You know, what was how was it? How were you when he passed away? I was young. I was probably like, maybe 16, 17, 16, 17, yeah. And and so how did that affect the movement? Was the musical thing at that point? It was a was a it was but we just started out. And then I think it was doing some good stuff. And then I think when that happened to be crazy, it was that was the turning point of our career, because remember, we did. I miss my homie. Yeah, you know, when our biggest songs ever. So that was kind of like a kind of inspiration for us to just take us to the next level, you know, man. You know, I like I said, I'm being from I'm in Texas, right? So when when I you know, I shouted you out about about a month ago, three weeks ago about players from the South Stack G's. I got on them boys. Yeah. I say silk had arguably the the hardest because I'm a P.M.C. fan, I say, but you came hard on that verse for me. I love that verse. No, no, you did your thing. So I'm just like, like really like, like, when do you remember, like what was going down during that time? Because that was a long time ago, man. Oh, I do. But I remember just being in the streets, trying to trying to figure it out. Life was crazy. So we were just trying to, I guess. And when when they came, I was I kind of respected them and liked them a lot. So that was dope that we got together and did it. Yeah. Yeah. But I was looking at the fact of how like the process of did you write back then people weren't punching in, you wrote that verse or how did that go with with even making that? How was the process back then? I didn't write a lot and we couldn't really change a lot either. We had to, like, kind of wrap the whole thing because you couldn't really cut back in the days like that. So yeah, but I didn't write a lot though. You didn't off the dome, you know, for the company back then. Yeah. Off the dome. Man, that's crazy. So when you when you look at like that time period, that was a young UGK. That was a young Master Pete. You definitely was that that was a time where I remember that time because like I said, y'all did a couple of songs together. You know, I was talking with Kale about it. Y'all did another one. What was the other one y'all did that was big back then? God. It wasn't play from side. It was a man, because I mean, actually, me and me and Kale went. We went crazy on my talent because he was talking about the process of it and how PMC had respected him enough to, you know, let him do his thing. Even though he was a producer, you know, I mean, being a producer, he stepped back and let Kale, you know, kind of take the wheel on on what was going on with it. But that was so long ago. I believe I believe I said it was a time when they went into him and Pete went up there. But yeah, it was a thing where they went and recorded in a in a bathroom. Yeah, I saw what I was trying to isolate the sound like how hard was it? That was his favorite song, too. Yeah, yeah, that was that was his favorite song by UGK. And so we're going to get all the way into it, though. How did you get a name, Silk? It's a good question. So remember the group, Silk? So I was just silk with one care first. And then they tried to they sued me. Really? And then they told I say, let me put an extra K on it. There was like put that in there was like, no, that's not enough. And then my first album is called a shocker. Yeah, you put it. Of course. Still a soccer. OK, so you. OK, I was on because I saw that part when I googled you. I was like, oh, he got a shocker after that. But I don't see anywhere where it said how you got the name Silk at first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. OK, you basically coming out to TV on that thing. What made you do that album cover like that? Just wanted to be something new, exciting. Now, the shockers, that's what it is. Wow, man, like when you think about it, like during that time, like, I remember I was interviewing and it was a little kiki and he was so amused on you guys having he's like, you got like, like these guys had a tape. You saw my pimp seeing him. But for y'all to be able to just get a this was before the priority deal and a lot of time when y'all was doing this music, right? Yeah, yeah. So y'all was we call it not getting it out the mud. You know, that's back to it. So so I think you guys, man, you guys being from Cali, you know, man, you always you always hear a lot of times that you guys never work with with cash money. That's crazy. But y'all kind of when I talked about it, say, I'll kind of lead the way. You know, how why do you think that is because of the areas? No, I just think that we never kind of put it together. I mean, because I seen Wayne one day, it was cool. Cool. You know, I seen juvenile, you know, stuff like that. But I just think we just say y'all make our money, make our money. But it never was a problem, though, just the thing that we never work together. Never work because we always feel like or I think I've asked it somewhere like to what magnitude you think that this would be awesome for New Orleans if they did come together and, you know, represent and did like a concert. It is something you see what I mean? It would it would show unity and so in such a large scale. So do you think that that's something that would be open? They don't run down the line. It should be. I mean, for people to do what they do, because they've done some great stuff and then us to do what we did. It'll be icing on cake, just like coming together and just like. But yeah, I mean, we we talked about it. I think some people mixed the verses one time. Then it might be close because I might be doing a song with a top group from that side. We'll see how I go. We'll see. Well, keep my fingers crossed because that would be that would be amazing. Yeah, they good. They good. But I wanted to say something because I know when I was looking at your journey and I see y'all did the 504 boys first. Then you did true. But what with all of the name changes all the way down the line because I know that the members were still like the same. You just added more people, but you change the name of the groups. Like, why? Why didn't you ever keep the same name? We did. But then I think, you know, people like variety. So sometimes we just kind of mix it up a little bit. Yeah. So it was cool. We worked out. Yeah. So who came up with a name? No limit. One is I think people pretty much came up with it. It was a story first. So it was a store, a record store. And then from that point, it just we started on the music, putting our own music in the store. And then that was that was it. That was it. Wow. The whole the whole situation, you know, with with TRU, body, body, like you guys, man, like I said, the way that the music was then, man, to see the phases, I told I think I was telling one of them that I think it was Mr. Sermon, like y'all have phases, man. Oh, yeah, for sure. It was so many different phases that y'all was able to reinvent yourself that it was incredible to see that whole movement, man. So how how how tough was it working with your brother? You know, some people, me and my brother were real close, you know, but how was it like being do you feel like it was like shadowing him? Or do you feel like it was just a how was it? You got to tell me. No, I think it was OK. I mean, because to me, I couldn't be P. He couldn't be me. So it was like he was good for what he was doing, because at that time the label needed a P. You know, I'm saying I couldn't be it. So so it wasn't never that. I don't think it was ever even me in the shadow. I don't think it was like I never felt like in the shadow. I feel like I was so good at what I was doing. And then when I grew up, I became, I think, you know, just being silken. Yeah. So yeah, body body was a whole whole different movement for me. Like you didn't hear nothing like your sound and y'all was and we was in the South, right? How hard was it being that you guys had that Southern flow to get respect in the industry? Well, we'll go there. I actually work for us. It really worked for us because it was different. Everybody was talking about it first, like, oh, you know, it's not good. But but sometimes unique is better, you know what I'm saying? So it made us way better. Yeah, you know, kind of opened up some doors where first they want to do the south and then the south was big all of a sudden. You know what I'm saying? So sure. But you you were one of those guys that that basically your flow because of where your cadence was, you wouldn't own the cadence that everybody else was on. And some people criticize, some people were cool with it. How did you how did you feel about it? And why did you do it? I just did it because I thought it was just being me. I didn't want to be like everybody else. And the funny thing about it is most people say that, but I really was rapping good. But to the average person, if you don't like country music, you don't like it. So if you don't like what I'm doing, you don't like it. But I thought I was waiting for my time. That's my opinion. That's hard. And the reason I say that is because you hear the Migos, they was criticized like that. So and you've seen that. Did you think about it? You like, man, you seen you've seen the move, right? Well, a lot of those guys gave me props. They'd be like, yo, we know we're a lot of guys gave me props and was like, yo, Shaka, that's kind of what we did to be more like you. Because the artists know other artists. They're like, we rock with you, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, I think that's the only thing I heard. Like when people talk about you, they say, oh, he rap off beat. Yeah, he does, but it's a way. That's like, it purposely does that. I'm going to make a meal, y'all, because we are believed. I got. OK, OK, I'm playing. I'm a fan. I'm telling you now, like, I'm a southerner. So when I when I would hear you rap, I really, it doesn't matter what you was on, no matter. I was with you. No matter. You couldn't because I'm in the south and you know the age I am. So at the end of the day, I'm not letting nothing, you know, you we not going. So did you feel like so when you was listening to it, did you feel like you had your own opinion on it, like how I feel about it? Yeah. Yeah, no, I knew that you, first of all, it wasn't just you. At that time, the time I'm talking about it was you. It was Pimp. It was everybody. It was all of us, anybody that was from the south didn't get that respect and credibility. Like they were doing on the East Coast. You know that. And, you know, you guys are so forgiven. You know what I'm saying? Y'all, y'all professional and I got to give it to you. I'm just my heart a little different, you know what I'm saying? Because I don't play about us. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I just know that you were something that I wouldn't. I wasn't trying to play with my people. So when you look at Master P and all that stuff, I was all over it because at the end of the day, I feel like we didn't have much. Like I said, the mixtapes and the stuff that you guys, the double, you know, cassettes, I mean, down south hustle. I mean, I was with all that, you know. So just going back into it, I see you, you know, like when I think about, you know, the way that you, you know, far as King George, all these different people that went out early on, Magic, you know, the whole the whole movement for that to are you. Did you ever see it going where, you know, like to where you guys elevated and elevated and kept going to where, you know, hell, next thing you know, y'all are the biggest thing. Y'all put out more music than anybody in one year. Did you ever see that coming? I did because I think when you're consistent like we were, you're going to win eventually because we was like everywhere. We'll be getting, we'll be doing shows for free chicken sandwiches will be open enough for anybody. You know, and so that kind of drive with the music, it was just going to catch up at some point. Not how it caught up. We didn't know that, but we know it was going to catch up at some point. Yeah. Wow. So, you know how I see a lot? Because the reason why we do what we do are in my mind is to help people, especially kids who are watching these shows that can learn which way to go, which way not to go and so forth. So as a kid growing up and, you know, a lot of people are like, I want to be a rapper. I want to start them. I want all of this looking back on your life and now experiencing all of that. Because like for me, I wouldn't want any of that because I see there's no privacy. Oh, yeah. I see that you can't just walk down the street. And yes, you have a lot of fans who love you and they're going to come and you love the love, but with love comes hate. Yes. And you have people who, especially in today's society, clout. They'll just do something just because they want to record it and become somebody, although the way in which they got it is not really stand up. OK, gotcha. You know, so knowing all of this now, would you change anything? No, I wouldn't change it because I mean, right now, that's the thing everybody doing, trying to get trying to get rich, quick, coming up with schemes, whatever. But me, I think I think it's better to be known than not known. But how do you use the note? How you use being known is the difference. So me, I use it for my advantage. So I feel like people listen to me, but they listen to me because of my story, but also because of who I am. So if I can get to somebody and be able to share a story where they listen to me because of who I am, that's worth it. Like I was talking to my friend from Chicago and I was like he was just showing me some stuff where Danny just killing each other back and forth. A lot of people out there that I got love for and all that. And so and I want to tell some of these kids, this is a real talk right here. I was young. So when I first started, I was 15 or 14. I think my first song was Ghetto's Trying to Kill Me. And I was young, but I was in the streets, too. So I was trying everything to do to really get in trouble. Like where I never come home again. But I want to tell the young kids purposely, purposely. Like I thought I thought I was just like bad. I didn't know any better. I was reaching out the wrong way. And so I want to tell the kids, man, today they taking you away. So I remember back in the days used to be like if you was 18, you was adult. But now they like they getting kids up out here, 14, 15 as a child as an adult. And I just want to say, like that curve that you was having before, like, oh, I can mess up when I'm 14, 15, 16. But when I'm an adult, I'm a change. You can't do it anymore. Right. So it's a lot of young men that's going to get caught up, maybe even get killed. But also go to jail for like 50 years. So you go from 16 to 50 years in prison. You ain't lived yet. But I want to tell them, like, because I was that person, why I didn't know nothing. Stop caring about what people who don't matter care. So meaning this part, right? So if you ain't got no money in your pocket, I know you want the latest Jordans or latest shoes, but you can't afford it. So don't try to do nothing that's going to get you those shoes, because a little out of shoes is going to be old. You do something right now. You might end up getting 50 years. Them shoes would be looking like, you know, old Corvette by the time you come out. So just take it patiently. Be patient because, OK, let's say yourself. So you at 16 is the way different you is now. Right. But what if you messed up at 16 and you wouldn't be here with us today, doing what you're doing now? They got to see that that transition where I'm riding for my hood or my boys. That's short. Worrying about what I got on. That's short. Don't be afraid to get a job at McDonald's. Don't be afraid to catch the bus if you got to. Don't be afraid to, you know, sling loose papers. You know, I know it ain't glamorous, but your goal is to be having longevity in your whole life. It don't it don't stop like one day. So most people take a reaction for one day. Oh, I'm broke. I need some money. Let me just stick this. Nah, then you go. So your goal is, man, I'm all the good stories start with. The struggle. So the time appears to worry about the world. Got to go through something to talk about. But Tyler was in a car sleeping home and is everything. He could have been I'm just going to rob his liquor store and give me some money. No, the long game was he acted. Learn how to do plays. And then later on, who he is today. Now, if he could have just did that thing, I don't know how much work I got to be a couple hundred million, at least. So what is that that guy who was sleeping in his car? Was like, I'm sick. Everybody's just looking at me crazy. Let me go get this. Now we'll never see Tyler. So the goal is to be consistent in your life. And don't worry about if you got to take a crazy job. They'll they'll forget it later on when you become rich. So if I'm like whoever I am, all if I'm rich, the story is going to be, oh, I remember used to be homeless. You have done. That's a good story for anybody to. So so value the struggle. So that's the people love quick money. These young kids that love quick money, I know how to go get it quick. So I'm going to go get it and then re-up and just build on that and whatever this fast money. But I do believe in struggle. I believe that God put us through small stuff or sometimes big stuff, not for us, for the person that you need to help. Because just like if you were alcoholic. Yeah. And I've never drank alcohol in my life. I can't come to you and try to give you advice or try to help you get out of it. God had to put me through being an alcoholic, knowing that I'm going, he going to put me on this path to come across. You see what I mean to hear my story. And because my story is going to touch you, we can help, I can help you get out of your, you know what I mean? So I always tell people all the time, I said, don't be ashamed of anything you went through. You want to speak it into the atmosphere because you want to help somebody. Sometimes you might even admit that person. You could be talking to me and the person behind you, who's listening to you, who's going through something that, you see what I mean? Nailed it, yeah. No, that's real, man. Especially like I said. Nailed it. We're example, man. You know, like everything we do, our children watches. We like a God to our children. A lot of us as parents, you know. So we definitely, even when they get older, you know, we definitely got to be in a place where we can resonate well with the people around us, man, and guide people out with the light that we shine with. So. Yeah, y'all doing great. I mean, the thing about it is, just giving everybody hope. I think a lot of kids don't have it. They just, you know, and it's tough to tell them that you're going to be okay. When your stomach is growling, it's hard to say you're going to eat some food tomorrow. Like when you're hurting, it's hard to say, you're going to be all right. But when you're in that pain, you just want to, you know, deal with it. So. But when you love though, when you love, because when God gives us this gift and you love and you don't want to see, you want to see everybody do good. Absolutely. But when you talk to some of these people and I've seen it, I've done it, and they look at you like, you just an OG, you don't know what. If you don't have the, like you can't tell them anything. And that's the part that pisses me off is like, you want to help these people and you tell them, but my revelation with that is, speak it and leave it alone. They're going to remember it when God permits it. Because as much as they might not listen right now, they'll listen down the line. They're going to remember what you said. It's better you say something to them rather than be like, some of these people are like, oh, they're never going to change. Don't waste your breath. Don't be one of those people. Okay. You know what I mean? You got to say it and leave it alone. They're not going to do it right then and there. But they're going to remember what you said. Don't give up on nobody. Do you, I'm going to go back in a little bit. Do you remember when Pete decided he was going to come to California and what were you doing? You still was in New Orleans? No, I was there the whole time, actually. So you went with him? Yeah. So when he left, you left? I left, yeah. Because that was a great error for me. You hear him tell the story. Or you hear people, they talk about it. He left and he had some money that his grandparent gave him. And it's like, he was just out here, paving the way. But you saying he had a plan and when y'all left, y'all left together? Yep. I was enjoying the decision between you and him. We had no choice though, honestly. It was just like the city where we was from it just was long overdue. You know what I'm saying? You don't get out, you're going to be a victim. A victim. But why California? Because we saw the palm trees and it was like, oh, California is going to be beautiful. And then we went to Richmond. We went to Richmond and it was like, oh, snap. This one's in the calio, you know what I'm saying? But we thought like, you know, you see the Ferrari's in front of y'all. Beaches. That wasn't it. How long was it after Kevin had passed that y'all left? Left before he passed away. Y'all left before he passed away. Yep. I didn't even know that. When I got the call. I mean, because Cap was come out too. Okay. So when I got the call, I was going to Richmond High. So Richmond High, you know the movie that's Coach Carter? Yeah, yeah. So that was my coach for real. Really? Actually, the team I was on, which he fabricated a little bit. Is he strict and hard like how are they? But he was funny though, more like, he was strict. But if you haven't knew him, he had this light voice and he'd be like, why should I get up? He'd be like, it's a funny little story. But he was a cool dude. He was good, but it wasn't quite like that. The story was written pretty good, but he was tough. But I laughed at him a lot, but he was, he would get me in trouble a lot. But it was, he was a cool dude. He was funny though too. But I want to go back to Kevin, because like I said, for some reason I was interested because with y'all earlier music, that was the whole, that was the whole thing, just keeping his name alive when you got the call. Cause I thought you was down there. I'm telling you, and I thought y'all left because. I just, we was going back and forth. Back and forth. How long had y'all been out here when that happened? That point, I don't know. I can't say that. You don't even know. But I know he hit me like a son of bricks though. I was like, geez. Yeah. Yeah. Being your brother, definitely. He was younger than you, older. No, Kevin was young. Kevin was older than me. He was right behind Pete. He was right under Pete. So he was the middle one. Now we had four, we had four of us boys and one girl. I didn't even know that. You know, like I said, I just know Kevin because y'all put him in the music. Y'all made that happen with me. Cause everybody that come on my podcast, I always ask about Kevin because that was the campaign, you know what I mean? To keep his name alive. So do you feel like he'd be proud of where you guys are at now? Yeah. That was our motivation, man, for a while. It was like, Kev was a real good, solid dude too, man. Like as a big brother, what nothing he wouldn't do, he would try his best to, I said, oh, I need this jacket. He'll go get it. He'll hustle to get it, whatever. Yeah. He was solid. So when he lost him, it was tough for all of us, for sure. Do you ever get over it? Nope. That's one thing I always, cause I hear people talk about it, loss of a loved one and stuff like that. So many people are losing loved ones on a daily basis. And people say they never get over it, but you learn to move on though. It's tough. Well, he has a son, so when it's, so he never saw his son. So he got killed. She was pregnant. She was pregnant, yeah. So his son, son dead on him. Looked just like it. Mm-hmm. And he got the same traits, like my brother had this trait about him, like he was like neat. Yeah. He was like, the court has got to be here, Nick has got to be here. OCD, really? His son got the same thing. So it's funny. Did it affect his son a lot? Growing up without his dad? I'm sure it did, but he's tough though, but I'm sure it's something. We talked about it before. That's what I was wondering if you ever talked to him. He just wanted to know what his dad was like. So I was telling him like that. Stories and stuff. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. You guys is, and me and my wife, we watch you guys. I was watching Romeo the other week when all that stuff was going on. And I think it was your name was mentioned a little bit, but you liked the big uncle that, like you don't get involved. And I love that, that it and not even being in there, it seemed like you to go to God. You know what I'm saying? Like for the, for the, for just leveling things off. I'm being real. That's for real. In my mind, that's the way I feel like it would be going because of the way you carry yourself. Not for real. And you can't lie to these cameras. Okay. They tell you're demeanor and everything. Oh, no, for sure. No, I am cause, but I keep it solid. So even with any of us, brothers, sisters, I'm never going to change on any of them. Some of them might not like it, but I'm never going to, well, I'm not going to do it publicly for sure. But probably I'll tell them all that, I'll tell them all the same thing. I'll tell them all stuff like the truth. And then if the truth don't like the truth, then don't call me. Just keep me out of it. Cause I ain't gonna really lose my sleep by if y'all mad at me for the truth, then yes, whatever. But I don't do the social, I don't do anything publicly. Publicly. Unless I can tell the whole story. Yeah. And I don't think everybody wants the whole story. So I just keep to myself because okay, let's say if you write about something and you write about something, when you want me to tell what she's right about, you want me to tell the whole story. Tell the whole story. But you might not want me to tell the whole story. So I feel like, yeah, the same thing with you, but I keep it consistent. So at the end of the day, they're gonna have to respect it because it's consistency. It's like, I don't say nothing. You know, we family. So I don't say nothing about nobody publicly. So I'm not going to come out and condemn you or condemn you. I think if we was just talking to each other, then I'll be like, you wrong and you wrong. Which is how it's supposed to be. When you see, when you see like the, when you see, you don't know that Romeo for to come out or nobody for to come out or people, you don't know. So you just seeing this like everybody else in real time. I didn't like it, but it's cool. I know you didn't like it because who, but you can't pull it back in. It's easy because it's already out there once something goes out of the way. But to me, the way how I look at it is the fact that after everything goes, you want to try to find a positive in anything because we're all human beings and we're always have this agreement. There's no two people that's going to agree with somebody for the rest of their lives. You're going to always have it, but you have to show the coming back together. You got to have to show the love. You're going to have to show, you know what I mean? So you can turn that negative into a positive. Or not. Or not. Or not. Because you, well, go ahead. No, no, no, you go. No, go ahead. Because I already, I'm going to continue. But then you also are, so you're making the trauma in public and you're making the makeup in public. I mean, public. So people are going to like, they're not going to like both of them. They're going to like the makeup or the breakup, you know what I'm saying? So, it's so truthfully it's just. But you don't do it for, you really don't do it for other people. You do it for yourself. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I was caught like a few notes, but I would say stuff like this, where sometimes the drama is so big and the apology is so small. That means if somebody do something bad, everybody won't talk about, oh, it's bad. But if I say I'm doing something good, it's a little small piece of newspaper. So it's hard to get the, I mean, listen, I could off the record, I could say what I think is right and wrong about everything. On the record, I just wish everybody the best. Like I don't, I don't really, none of them, I'm like, I want skies living for all of them. So that's what I take. I be like, salute everybody. Cause this is how I live life. And I didn't even know like, some of my boys this other day, I'm like, for a long time, I didn't even know jealousy existed. I ain't no envy and none of that hit. Cause I never did it. I got my winners raised my hand. For a long time, people would be jealous and mad at me. And I'll be like, what is that? So they'll tell me something. And you didn't know. I didn't even know it. So, but I also live in a bubble where I feel like, your success is your success. Hands is hands. And we root for each other because I can't, I'm not getting them from hurt and being mad at him, but get up on my butt and go make something happen. So I always thought that, but then I realized that everybody's not built like that. It's not the same. And so I was like, oh, that's crazy. So for me, look, people say with he or whatever, it's like, I don't even live in the shadow. I'm so, I'm so good at what I do that, and he could be good that he do, but I'm me though. So I don't want to be the best you. I want to be the best me. And that don't have nothing to do with like money or your status or none of that. It's just like, can you love your life? Do you? I absolutely love my life. So I don't want to be cool. I don't want to be him. I know I'm going to be me and I love that. So, so other people be like, oh, he's up here. I'm like, where? Like he's like, he's doing what he want to do as a person. Now, if I get a billion dollars, do that make me happier? Probably not. It could be, could not be. So everybody got to take it face value. So your line for you is might be, I want to be successful podcast. I want to have, I want to own property in Egypt. I don't know whatever that might be for you. It might not be the same for him. He might, he might have a difference. So, but you got to be happy with yourself. So I tell all the young dudes is like, stop trying to be puffy or Jay-Z. But you don't learn these things till you get older and you've been through a lot of stuff. Honestly, because looking back on my life, I realized these things, I think pandemic helped me a lot because it should help a lot of people because you had that time to reflect on a lot of things. And I realized that, yes, happiness comes within. I can't control what nobody else say does do whatever. And I have a big heart, so I want everybody else to do well and do, you know, just like what you're saying, I resonated with it so much because yes, I knew envy existed and all of that, but it just didn't affect me because I didn't think that way towards anybody else. I didn't care if anybody thought that way about me until you came and talked to me, you realize that I'm just not like that. You know what I mean? Because people take their own judgment just by seeing you and not actually speaking to you. But as time go along, you just have to move on and move on with God and know that everything is on you. Your stress levels, why stress over things you can't control? Yeah, exactly. Why you can stress over somebody who did something and you can't control that person's mouth. You can't control what they do. So it's how you perceive it, how you react to what somebody else does. That's the only thing you can control in life. Yeah, let me go back into the music. I'm gonna pull y'all out. Okay, go ahead. Let's talk about, you know, you've worked with so many different people. You work with Jay-Z, you work with Beyoncé, you work with so many, man. So how was it even rocking out with Jay-Z and just working with these different people? You gotta give us the explanation. All of them was dope, man. Like Trina was great. Trina. Cameron them was great. Cameron, see, you done been down through there. So I think with the ones that stood out the most was probably Beyoncé that was younger and we was like here. So it was like, they was just trying to make it. Well, they made it a little bit, but we would, you know, it was just, and it was a real conversation. So it was like a, like a brother, sister, like growing up, trying to figure it out. And we helped each other on that part. And it was fun. And then with Jay, it's like, it's dope because kind of like, I mean, I ain't saying I don't see what he's doing now. That's crazy, but I would think that so the first time when I was like, I was like, y'all Jay-Z was my favorite. I met him before at priority. So it was like heck of a cool humble. I was like, man, that's crazy. And he was just starting out, wasn't selling any records and stuff like that, but he was just crazy nice. I knew it because as another artist, you could tell, but I didn't know his hustle or his drive was that good. And then so when he started going a little bigger, I was like, man, I gotta get him on the record. And you know, it's so funny. So I called him, I'm like, yo, I need to join this record. And it was, I had like two days to finish the album up. And I sent it to Jay. And I think it was on tour. I can't remember the tour it was, but. So, you know, everybody after that big old tour, I think it was a depth jam or one of those big ones, like DMX, everybody was on it. So after the tour, he, everybody stayed. But so let's say the tour was over Wednesday. My album was to get massed to Thursday. Everybody stayed in the city that there was that because it was the last day of the tour. So everybody party, having fun. Jay go back and finished the song up and sent it to me. So he must have got a suit like three o'clock in the morning. I got it that morning and I made my time to edit it. You know what I'm saying? And someone, and he killed it. He was like, this is crazy. And I ain't think he's gonna make it because it was on tour. And so he, he sent it. And I was like, I was like, oh, man, you killed it, right? I was like, how much I owe you? And he was like nothing. And I was, I think, or he was going for 100,000 easily. And he was like, nah, don't worry about it. Just next time, you know, look out for me. And I was like, I did something for him later on, not music wise, but just some real, real stuff. Yeah, I read something about, he says that in his articles that I read that he don't even charge. He just do networking if it's worth him doing. You know what I mean? Man, I also, I know you, you know, from in the basement and all that different stuff. You done experienced that, man. Like for more things, we're back then versus how they're derived on the internet now. Which one did you like the best? What, what way do you like? You like the direct to consumer way that they're doing it now or the way it used to be? I like both, honestly. I think back then it taught you hand to hand hustle, fan base, meet them, you know, people love you. And then this way is good too, because it's just, you have to know the business. So I look at it as, most people always live in the past. I don't even think about what I did in the past. Longer or I love it, because I could tour the world for the rest of my life. The music is great, but I always take my game and strategy so whatever is now. So that means if I graduated in 1950, things have changed. So you got to be able to keep on changing. Most people want to have eight tracks, eight dates, a cassette tapes, right? That was the days back in the days. Nah, you got to be able to, nah, you got MP3, nah, you got, they got everything. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So yeah, so I've always been a way to being able to change, you know, with the time. But how do a guy that gets a million streams to get $4,200? How do we build his brand up now or for $4,000 for a million streams on a whatever platform? You hear these stories, man, like, how is it, you now, you don't have a 360 deal. You don't have these things that these, this machine that they used to have, you have to create it. I was talking to the res de Chon and I was like, man, he's trying to figure it out right now. Like we, we were talking about this, like, he was like, yeah, man, I got to build my team this way now. You know what I'm saying? I can't do it like I did it before. How, how difficult is that transformation you think? You know what I mean? Going from a label, then going through being independent and trying to figure this wave out today. I mean, both of them is, is unique in its own way. So some people don't like to manage themselves. So that's why they go with major labels. Some people are meticulously about how they want stuff and they want to be at a drop when they want to drop and do all that stuff. So if you're a person that likes to be managed, you go with a major. If you're a person that like to manage yourself, then you go and you take on all of that stuff that goes with being the major label and you, that's hard to do because you have to compete with the majors. And they got a bunch of money. And you might have a little bit, your team is like, oh, when you with the majors, even though it costs you, y'all might be doing stuff like, doing stuff like hotels and studios. Now, with your money, when you're the artist and you want to be independent, you might go to a small studio. You might not have the five star hotel. So you, because you're the boss. So when you're the boss, McDonald's sound good. When everybody else is the boss, you want steak and lobster. So it's a little tricky, but you got to just pick your angle. Man, do you, when you think about the mistacles and all the people that you guys, cause you was right, you guys had some tough competition on the, it was competition for us because we looking and saying, who going to make the best verse? You know, some people try to play you and say, oh, so the chocolate worst one that was on the whole thing, you know, but you was selling more records than everybody. So explain that to me like, how do you, how do you maneuver in a place like that? You still maintain your, I'm still, I think it's because self-awareness. I'm announcing that for you almost. Yeah. What do you think? All right. What do you think? When I was doing it, I feel like I was the best when miss school was doing it. He was the best and it made for good TV. And so to me, man, I'm telling you, when I was doing it and people around me when I was doing it, they appreciated it. The outside people who just didn't care appreciated it all would be like, it ain't that good. You're a hard rapper. And the people in the camp was like, boy, you cue a fool. But they knew what I was doing. So it's be like, but if I gave it to Drake or something the same flow, and he did it, it'd be like, oh my God, it's the best thing in the world. So I knew that. I didn't know that then, but I know it now. Cause everybody asked me, cause I changed up a little bit. But they like, you got to go back so we want the old silk. That's right. That's right. And there's some people, some big dogs that be like, yo, Shaka, you please go back to being silk. That was I got. I got some people who sell us some. I loved it. Yeah. I had a question. So I know that I'm asked to be always put diamonds in his cardiac glasses, whatever. But I know Detroit rappers be doing that. Who did it first? Well, I don't know because I didn't know Detroit rappers like that. I know them now, but I didn't know back then. And so I would have to say him probably because that's the first time I seen it. Yeah, first time I seen it. And then, so the next thing I wanted to know was about the movie Hot Boys. Why did y'all name the movie Hot Boys when cash money records were used in that term Hot Boys? I don't even know. I just think that was a city thing. So when we did this more like, I don't know. I don't know. I know that was hot, but I just feel like it was for me, it was more like, like we call a city, or we call it a dirty, right? So if you use the dirty, it's like, oh, we represent the same thing. It's like, oh, we're from the dirty. And so that's kind of how we did it. Oh, it's just a slang. It's a slang. Everybody use like my cousin was called Hot Boy. You know what I'm saying? It was just everybody was all the Hot Boy, Rhino, Hot Boy, Slim. It was just a crazy kind of environment. Wow, I mean, we interviewed, man. I interviewed Shirani. I mean, you know, she spoke very highly of y'all, man, man, and just, just how was it going to do? I got to give him a shout out. Peaches early on, like. Peaches was dope, man. It was dope. Yeah, it was, peaches was great. Cause it was the culture. That's the first time I really knew what music was. Yeah. And so she introduced me to that. Yeah, for sure. That's hard. That's hard. So with you working with a lot of these female and stuff like that, right? Yeah. And you're a handsome, young man. Boom. I didn't say she said it. Amen. Oh, yeah. Cause was there any of them that you just, you know, ended up dating? There's rumors out there. Yeah, like, like, Maya, or Trina, or any of those young ladies? All them young ladies are very good people. I'm taking right now, you know what I'm saying? But that's in the past, though. We're talking about a past. You don't get my man in trouble. Talking about a past. No, I just, I'm, we all good friends. I don't leave it at that. Okay. Everybody I work with, I try to just be good, good friends and supportive. Yeah. I think, like I said. You got around it. No, because I always ask actors, you know? This is so funny because I always ask actors that because me watching movies all the time and seeing actors in certain roles with females all the time, like, how do you not get romantically involved with these people that you work with constantly over and over? And especially if you mesh, you know what I mean? It's hard. Yeah. It ain't that hard. It's not as hard as you might think. It's just like, you know, once you cross those lines and stuff, you know, it's no coming back. So, especially if you have somebody or something like that, you kind of like, I mean, if you're going to be with somebody, you're going to be with them. But I think if you're not, you could mess up a lot of different stuff. You can mess up your relationship with them, friendship with them too. So I just kind of, not saying I'm perfect, but I would just say, you know, I just always thought of that. But I just try to be friends and cool with everybody. I mean, it's a lot of people in the industry that I've worked with, I've seen, came across, and we were just cool, we're just cool most of the time. You had to turn down some. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. My wife's on Mel's. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Listen, let me get to me pull you out, man. Let me pull you out, man. Pull me out, pull me out. She's got me. So with the way, with the way, you know, we see a lot of rappers, they fall and you know, they fall in soldiers, man. You see, from fitting all to all type of different stuff that's attacking. You know, we've always, you had crack, you had heroin, you had all these different things that didn't came. Now we got this wave. We got perks and they being laced. I'm just trying. I'm trying to understand like, what do you think about the way the attack is being made now? It's different. You know what I mean? It's a different attack. It's a tough man. It ain't the same. I just think that too, from the, I mean, so most of us look at stuff like it's spot on, right? So that means if I tell you it's drugs, right? So you think it's just drugs, but it's not. So the system is, it's a system. So the system, if you go back to the 80s when cocaine, it wasn't really the drugs. It was what the drugs was doing to the people. Now watch this here. This is crazy. I'll talk to my brother there about this. I didn't know that it was designed for mothers to be single mothers. Wow. No, watch this. No, y'all don't realize, okay, check this out. So guns, drugs, violence, whatever, right? The majority of people that they've really given the time to is the guys, right? But then you think about it. So now if I got her raising the kids' bodies for self and you and, they're not getting the proper to be strong. Yeah, you need both. Yeah, so we don't want y'all to be strong. So we're trying to take them, because here's the bottom line. I mean, I know people get killed too, but bottom line is they paid $31,000 a year for prison to house Emmie, right? Some of that, right? So if you think about it, why we can't give those, if we gave those, it makes $31,000. They could be at home, going to school, college, providing for their family, no, it's, so it's a big old system. So when y'all think of drugs or purges, somebody made that legal or illegal, whatever. So when they doing that, they're really taking a bunch of us off the streets. That's what it really comes down to. And then they're stripping it like, okay, you get caught with this, it's a felony, now you can't vote. So it's a big, it's a crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, I gotta ask you about Soldier Slim, because I'm interviewing his son. I've asked by everybody about, I mean, how was it being on the label with Soldier and working with Soldier, man? Like, how was that? Just talented, dude, just talented, man, it was crazy. Like he would come up with this music, it'd be like, it'd be so going on, what's going on right now? Like at the time it was crazy. So he was in the streets, so he was just, he would just, he would come in the studio, put the beat and come down, he'd just go crazy on it. And then a lot of people appreciate it, but I think now they really like how I am, they really appreciate what he brought to the table. He was just a cool, solid dude. Yeah, cause everybody we interviewed is always to say that he's like the two-park of New Orleans. I see that, for sure. That's what I always hear. And when you would go down there, it's like the city still embraces his love and like, like he's there still. I mean, it's a spiritual thing for him. His existence to me when you think about it. But I would say he just sold New Orleans. That's what it is. Yeah, that's what it is. You think of New Orleans, the soldiers. I mean, it was just like, he was just, he embodied that part. So yeah, for sure. That's what he brought to the label, so he embodied it for sure. Wow man, I gotta get what you used to do a little karate. I'm a black man. I heard about it. I was gonna grab you when you came in here. What level of black belt? I'm almost a second grade, but I'm still a first grade black man. Are you trying to go higher? Or are you just like, yeah. I'm having a time, but I'm really good. Like I can probably, I can't get the top of the wall in the morning. I'm glad I didn't grab you. You can break bricks and all of that sort of stuff. You can watch a lot of TV and no karate. You know this is a little karate movie. I've got karate movies. I grew up on that guy, Silver Fox, Silver The Rangers at a Tip and whatever. I grew up on all of that. Did you watch those movies and stuff? Some of them, some of them, some of them, some of them. No, I'm really good at it, but I think, see, most people just use it. If you know karate, then you, that's not good to just know karate because that won't really work in everyday life. But you, but when I was, when I was younger, I was a fighter too. Like I was, I was a fighter all the time. Oh man, so I asked my, recipes my grandmother, she made me fight. Like she made me work. She made you fight? Yeah, you couldn't, if you had a problem, you couldn't come into the house unless you fixed it. And so many of those nights were, me and my cousins here, we had those fights where if he lose, I gotta go back out there and fight. So that's one thing I could do, but you have to use karate in a sense of being real with yourself too. Because a regular dude could hurt a karate dude if he put his mouth in vice versa. So you gotta be able to know actual, you know, fighting too. Self defense, really? Yeah, so. But why would you wanna do karate and not just boxing then? Do both. Oh, you did both? I do both, yeah, do both. Okay, are you better at boxing or karate? Whatever you do. I mean karate would be better because it's, it's technique. It's technique karate. And so most people like, like they wouldn't be able to understand the technique. So you could be talking to somebody and then I could do five things on him. Don't do on me, I'm going to do this. This time, this time, if you act up, I got you. But you should be waiting for women. I started to get you at the door. When you think about somebody who's tall, boxing, they're always like, oh, tall folks can't be, the box are five. Y'all gotta stay inside on him. That's horrible. No, that's not true at all. Because the good part is keep, yeah, keeping somebody away from you. Like, he's not gonna like, once I do what I do to him one time, he's not gonna really. You ain't doing it to me. I just might, I just might, you know what I'm saying? The bad thing is he's bad, yeah, I might do it. But it's like, so everybody's like, oh, okay, you only got three bullets in the gun, whatever. We're gonna take the three bullets. We're gonna take them first, you know what I'm saying? Did you have your kids learn how to do karate? They dabble with it a little. I want to put them in more, though, because one thing about karate, too, it also helps you. Mentally. Endurance mentally and focus, too. And in your body is, you know, in some of the best shape, you know, the best shape. You could, man, I'm not gonna tell you what I could look like. I got to ask you about this guy, man. And I met him a while back, big court, holding court. That guy. Yeah, I wanna just ask you, like, how was it when he first came to, like, you guys just came? Cause he was not originally from where you guys were from. So, I mean, I just, how was it when you first met him? So with court, it's like, I've been on him for a long time. And he just, I think he consistently, just the same person that I met. So, I think what kind of goes well is, he's not from New Orleans, but he's so New Orleans. So the values, you know, how you carry himself, it's like, you respect somebody, it's my respect you. So, I think that that's kinda how we could say we really good, because I don't think he would be out of character, never. And I won't be out of character. So when he came around us, it was like more like a embrace, cause we respected like the same values. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, with court, he's like a person that, you know, he's not a person that's afraid of anything. He's kind of like, but you like him though. So, it's not like he'll have a problem. He could escalate, he could talk to you. He could be, but he also has a side probably, like us where, okay, if talking is not enough probably, it's like, okay, well, then it's up, it's up. But for me, it was just more having somebody that's comparable to my city of the same character traits. And this character is like, I've never seen him out of character, like as far as like, do something that's not conducive or real dudes do. You know what I'm saying? Okay, when he first comes up, he's a little slimmer. He's slimmer, too. He got the long hair. I've not really heard the stories. He comes, he pushes himself to the basketball court with a guy like you. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just trying to get there. Like what happens when you first, you know, you see him coming, you gotta size him up because he's coming, you know? And you don't know what style he's coming with. What happened? Because I know y'all played, so don't try to play me. It's all basketball. Basketball, basketball, no, yeah, basketball. This was a long time ago. Who was better? Was he better than you in basketball? Nobody's better than me in basketball. What do you think I'm about? How was it though? Like, court play, he couldn't mess with you. I don't even court play basketball, I'ma see. I can't remember because I just, I love court, but I just can't take nobody seriously. Oh, because you didn't? Basketball, I'm just saying. You was good. Oh, I was hecka good at me. Nobody could beat you, man. Nobody could beat you. He couldn't beat you? Y'all just competitive, I guess he thought. Y'all competitive. I bet you people would say that he's better than him. Yeah, he's better than him. He's gonna say that he's better than him. He had a different game. He did. But you knew his game. Yeah, you can't let him shoot the shot. You know what I'm saying? You can't follow him or hack him or something. But I mean, he'll make a shot. So yeah, for sure. And then he, yeah. But he don't drive. He do. He try to bully you on the basketball court, but. Yeah, that little stuff there, but yeah. No, he can play a little bit. And then as far as court, no, I didn't, I think court didn't really be competitive like that. It was more like, he'll play, if you need him play, he'll play on our side. We want him our side. Cause he will, you know, give them six files out that you're supposed to get in the court. So other than that, no, he was good. That's all right. So, but Master Pete, like he was really one that he wanted, he was in the league, like you guys were, y'all were serious about that basketball. Even Mr. Servant said that y'all had a heck of a squad when y'all pulled up or showed up somewhere, you know, telling what could happen. And at the end of the day, y'all could take on whoever, NBA, whoever. Yeah, it was competitive. Shout out to Servant too. Yeah. Are you still good right now? Do you still play right now? I always ask those questions. No, I asked on if you still have it. I got it. I got it. Never gonna stop. I wanna ask you about your son. I'm gonna move it to Victoria's. Like this guy, man, like he's doing extraordinary things at the age that he is and he's looking, people looking at him as he gonna take it to where none of y'all could really take it. How proud are you of Victoria's? So crazy. Like his work ethic is like unbelievable. Like a lot of stuff, you know, as far as me as his dad, whatever, I kind of, I never promoted him, but I did it on the strength of like, he's a promoter of himself. And I didn't want people to be like, oh, that's Silk's son, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to be like, he made a name for himself, like to where he's gonna get to the NBA for sure. He has a nickname? This VJ. This VJ. Yeah, but with him for all these years, I'll be in the cut, but the people who know basketball, like he's still in so high, like as far as they talking about, he might be a top one or two three picking a draft at one point. So I think at one point he was number one projected. So when I saw that, I didn't want to tamper with like, because of who, I mean, everybody's different, but I just wanted to, I wanted to appreciate it. And his work ethic is through the roof, like he'll be up at three o'clock in the morning, then get back up at seven, and nobody really sees it, but you can see it on the court and people who know basketball knows it. So I mean, now I tell everybody about him, but he's so far along as far as, it doesn't affect me, it don't affect him that I'm his dad now. At first it might be like, oh, we, you know, we, we giving it to him because he, no, it's like, they'd be like, oh, you have a good, oh, but still give that, so it's a second apathart. And I want it to be that way. And so, man, he, I'm so proud of him to be like, that he just, he works and do it. Like, and this is the best part about it. Other basketball players and coaches, they know. So when you really good, other players appreciate you. And so when he have that, once he got that, where the people are like, oh, he's playing today. Okay. It changes the outcome where if he goes to this team and changes it's all, I'm not saying he's like LeBron, but LeBron loves him too. Cause he played on LeBron team before too. And it's almost like when LeBron was in the East Coast and it was like, oh my God, we got to go through him type of thing. Well, it's the same thing in his level of basketball. It's like, it'd be hard pressed to just beat a team that he's on. Do you try to make it to all of his games? Most of them I can, I will try. Yeah, I'll try. Man, yeah. So Master P is one that you know, being your brother is such an entrepreneur and he always coming up with everything from snacks, wrap, snacks, everything. How, I mean, do you be seeing these things coming or you got your own stuff going on so much. How do you scale up on entrepreneurship? I do it right. Who's more of the business? That's what I'm gonna get all of them. That's the thing. Who's more business? You or him? I think we both are. I think with him, he has a, I think his mind go faster. So what I would try to do is try to pace myself a little bit. Be like, okay, I'm gonna do this one, this one. I'll do this movie. So, you know, so, but it's good that both of them are good. Both ways are good. He just, when he get it, he goes for it, goes for it. And that works because it works for him, for sure. And my way works for me a little bit. Can we learn from each other? Probably can. So it's just a balance, but now I think both ways work. I mean, he knows his way. And so that works. But I'm not competing with him. So my thing is more like, yeah, let's just learn from each other. Cause like, that's how I have brothers and my brothers are older and stuff like that. But I always feel like, as much as sometimes you can't stand them, you love them, but try to learn from them. Well, yeah, for sure. Whatever it be, have he, any point that he gave you that made you something, you know, cause we are, my brother then told me things that, like he told me to start this podcast. I would have even done this. Oh, we're okay. So sometimes they'll give you something and you just take it like, cause they can see something in you that you might not see in yourself. So what, what, what, what a peak giving you that, that are said to you that you thought about like that. And it stuck with you. And it was something that you took on that it was, it was something that you didn't see coming, but it was something you needed. I would say, he didn't really tell me a lot. I would just say, I just watched it. Watched it. Like, okay, that's good. Let me do more of that. Let me do this. Don't do that. You know, so I just kind of, I'm observant. So we have conversations, but that's not the most important part. The most important part is just watching, observing and then using it or learning, learning these things to watch for yourself. That's how I do it. Yeah. So you have boys, you don't have girls? I have a daughter. How many? Just one? I have a daughter. Do you want more kids? I mean, I love kids, but I don't know if I want more. You know, he don't want more kids. What would you say your biggest song is that you ever done? Biggest song ever done? I like to just be straight with me with Beyonce now. Oh yeah? That's the biggest one. Hey, my phone is good. That's a bad song. That's a bad song. Is there anybody that you'd want to work with that you haven't already? I was just supposed to work with my little baby. I missed the cutoff time a little bit, but shout out to that and all the babies to do. Yeah, we was just like, I should have waited for it, but I just put the song out before he, because he was like in a space where he was working his tail off. He put me way to the top. I respect them, because he had about 10 features that was way up there. And he put mine right behind, I would say LL and Pharrell. So he put it on. I was like, okay, man, I appreciate it, but I already had two people that I was putting a song at a certain time so I didn't want to disappoint them, but kind of should have did. Could have waited, but not shout out to the little baby for sure. Man, I ain't gonna hold you up too much longer. I just want to, I know that earlier, break them off some was the song that I couldn't think of. I was trying to think of it with PMC. My home is when y'all did that, how was it working with PMC? Like, give me a PMC story. You gotta give me something so I can put it out there to my people. Nah, just PMC just was always like, not a person that was before his time. It was just like, he was always like thinking of how to transition to be more. And that was just like, so I would just watch, so when I was thinking about all this stuff, I was just watching everything. And I was younger, but I think me telling the stories are really good because I was just, when I watched PMC and Bumbi come on to play it for the South State team, I was looking at it from a camera standpoint, not like I was on a set with them. So imagine, you know, you a person who liked UGK them, right? Of course. So if you could just be in the room to watch it go down the video, it would be more monumental for you because you can see it. And so that's what I was, everything I did, like I remember even from like just the horse and carriage song with Cameron, right? I was literally watching, and I was watching Jim Jones, Cameron, Big Pun. So I was watching Big Pun, right? So Big Pun was sitting out, you know, he was sitting out chilling and I'm just looking at Big Pun like, wow, this is Big Pun. But he was good, but he was like a, just to me was just like, that's Big Pun. Now, from me, when I was heard his music, I was like, that boy talents it, right? So when I met him, I was lightweight, like blown away, like, oh my God, it's fun. And then Cameron on them was there, Charlie Baltimore. And then Jim Jones was having the time of his life, but that's kind of what Jim was just funny. He was just doing push-ups on the set and jumping jacks in the video, you know what I'm saying? So it was just like, I was always the person that was watching from like an angle of a theater. So it was all theatrical for me. So it was dope. Man, boss, I gotta ask you this cause he told me do not get on here with y'all on this camp and don't ask y'all. And don't ask that question. Didn't he tell me that? Make sure you ask him, what did he think about what I done with you? You know, what did you think about? What do you think about when I mentioned the name boss, big boss? Correct. Just always, yeah, been there. I think having him probably was a balancing act too. Cause if you couldn't understand something, you can go to boss and then boss could relate it a different way. And he would be more of the mediator. So he'd be like, you know, having a, having a thought where boss would be like, you know, he gonna tell you the truth. That's wrong where he gonna be like, that's you're right. Let me go figure it out. You know what I'm saying? So he was always like, just there, always kind of like you can go to, then also you can always like get the real from, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, it was cool. You got two more. I got Snoop Dogg. I can't let you get out there. I got Snoop. I can't let you get off there. I got a question too. Okay, I'm going in. I can't need people out, man. Cause I can't get this guy to Texas, man. And when I do, they be in such a hurry. Kale got me downstairs waiting on, I don't get to see him. They leave out the back door or something. So I gotta take advantage of this while I can. Snoop Dogg and Dogg, like how was it when he came over to the camp? Now that was dope. And then Snoop came really humble, which was like, it made it a good transition cause we was embracing him like we got you. You know what I'm saying? Whatever you need. I think sometimes he bought my house a lot. It was always like, if I needed something from him, he's just a good, like a person that was always consistent. Like it was like, if he liked you, and so we got along very good. It was like, you know, just embracing him to some new surroundings, right? So let's say if I went to the West Coast right now, Snoop would just, oh, come to the studio, come to the house, come to the food. And so when we came, when we was at, it was the same thing, stay by the house, play games, you know, studio. If you need something from here, do it. So it was just a, it was a good, it was a good environment. It was hard. Yeah, you know, great. So when y'all were living in Richmond, when y'all had just moved to Richmond, and you know, with going to every different towns, music changes, everybody listens to different type of beats, different music, whatever. How hard was it to find your sound? Because from what I understand in the beginning, they weren't feeling your sound till y'all got KLC. Yeah, it was, well. Oh, but you're exciting them hooks now. Yeah, but you know, Nokeo had his own unique style. It definitely helped us, so it was dope. But I think we was just making a little noise, but until when then we got that sound, it was like, we got that signature sound, it was out of here, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. But it was hard to find that sound? Not for KL, because he was killing it in a city. And then we kind of got with him, and it was over then. Another person too, it was like, I think it changed when we got Mia X, because it was like, yeah, it was like. That's another one. Yeah, Mia was like, man, I remember, I remember hearing about her, and she was killing it on the street. She was clubs, killing it, you know, doing her thing, and then when we got her, that's when I think, to me, that's when everything changed, because it was like, now we got a different perspective, and she was hard, so when she came on the beats, it was different, and she killed everything she was on, so that was dope. One more thing, this here is Seymurta, I can't get off here listening, man. I can go all night. How did he get a name Seymurta? Don't say anything, be quiet. He can't tell you probably. No, because I mentioned something, but he said, really? Tell me how he got a name Seymurta. So everybody think it's like him being a tough guy, but really it's just, his name was Seymurta, and then, so he fought in the war before, so he was in the war, so he was in the war, and I guess he was just there, and it was a bad time for him, he saw so many murders, because he was an infantry, he was like a person that was, oh, that's what it was, he was a person that would be a medic, you know, so it was like, he saw a lot of murders, so everybody took it out of the way. She better believe her husband when he tells him something. No, but I told her already. But unlike you, he broke it down a little bit more with the military, you didn't tell me that, my military. This is damn wrong, what do you want me to do? You know what I'm saying? Thank you, I got you. Okay, so let's talk about it, man. Seymurta, man, I loved all the stuff that he done, man. I guess I can get a little technical with it. Like, when he did that down for my niggas, like, what did you think about that song? I'm gonna bring it back a little bit. Hardest song. It was hard, wasn't it? Yeah, it was hard. Yeah, it was just hard. I mean, like, man, See was hard. And then that song, okay, so let's say if you was, you had my style, you had Seastyle, whatever, you would say what would be something that could make Seastyle stand out what that song would? So because, and then when he did that song, See was talented, as heck, right? He was talented. But when he did that song, his style became See. So that mean he made his own lane after that was crazy. But he been good, he been talented, but that one made people like See. When we first started this off, I was like, who the other brother? And was losing it right there, my mind was gone. And you was like, you know what, other brother? I'm like, what the heck? Like, you know, with him being gone, man, I was still a free Seymurta, man. Everybody, man, man. So like, what is he supposed to come out? He don't have a date, but I think he gonna get out. We have faith, you know? So just give me, like, do you get to go talk to him? Do you see him? How do, do you communicate with him? I do, I talk to him every now and then for sure. Sometimes they be having them on restriction. Yeah. I think when I see them last, See is a strong minded person. I don't think jail is the problem for See. I think the time being in jail is the problem. And so just watching his daughter grow up. That was about to say, because when his page pops up, because I follow his page, I see he always posts his girls and stuff like that. The last time I think only two came, the other one didn't come. And I know that that hurt him. You know what I mean? So when I see stuff like that, I can see the love he has for family. And I know that he wants to be out for them. Man, I show free Seymurta, man. That's what I mean. He gonna come home. Mac was locked up with him and you've seen Mac come home. And this is our last question, right? Yeah. But you got something else. No, I'm good. Don't play me, okay? We gotta get something else going. So Mac comes home. We get the interview, Mac. Shout out to K. Oh my God, man. He always gonna hold it down for balls talk 101. So like Mac comes home, man. And he comes home and you see him. He goes back on the stage after all this time, man. Like, how was it like seeing him, you know, like back in his element? Love, Mac, for sure. Now, me and Mac got the dopest relationship. I remember Mac, we would hang out a lot. But the craziest thing about Mac is we used to talk about getting in trouble. And Mac would know this too. Mac would be the person I would least likely could think he'll do one day in jail. Wow. Mac would be like, so I ain't never going to jail. I can't stand being in jail. I'm claustrophobic. So that's how I know Mac is like, it was just so sad because like, see, Mac didn't do it. I know he didn't do it. Like everybody know he didn't do it. So for Mac, I guess God gives, you know, gives us, you know, toughest challenges to the surface soldiers because Mac came through okay. May have saved him, whatever, but just for me and Mac was just so tight. And I just remember being so talented. And then I'm like, Mac, you gotta, I just feel like for Mac, his gift is after this, like he's gotta be able to save some kids and change lives. Like it's like, it had, cause if I told you, I would have never put that on Mac. Maybe like- Because of how he used to be when he was younger. I don't think Mac ever even got pulled over by the cop before. Wow. I don't think, he never seen this inside of a cop car before. Maybe, nope, nope, never. He never, he never. So for Mac, that was like a no-no to do anything wrong, you know what I'm saying? And so for him to hit him with that the first time was like, that was shocking for me for sure. Wow, man, you know, and you see him now, I think when he was something like 21 or something when he came home, cause he was young when he left. And for you to see him reunite like that and to come and then y'all, the tour, when we was in New Orleans, y'all did the tour. I see, it was like, man, I was just happy to see everybody, you know, he getting that love, you know, being able to be around y'all. That's family, man. So to see everybody coming together like that God put him in the midst of that, you know? All this stuff matters, man. You know that, right? Cause I have to get back used to everything, the way how things are, the way how the music is, the way, all of that you have to get used to again. And coming out one of the questions I would always ask him was, weren't you angry? Are you still angry about the situation? You know what I mean? Cause being a regular human being, anybody would be angry at the situation, but he's like, no, he let it go. That's a great job. I have to let it go, know to get out the cage. Cause if you have that still stuck in you, then you'd be mentally still locked up right there. Man, hey man, thank you for coming on the show, man. We love you still, man. You wanted, I'm a big fan. Me and the wife, we, like I said, we was excited about this interview, man. We did a lot here in LA, but this one right here, I'll weigh them all, man. My God, man. Like I said, I just, like I said, if you in Dallas ever, or in the South period, I'll find you, you know, I'll pull up, right? Yes, sir. So thank you for coming on the show, man. It's been another great segment, right? Yes, sir. A boss talk 101, what a boss is talk. And we out. There it is. All right.