 This is a talk of emptiness, whether vegetarian, meat eater, celibate, all the different gradations, they're all categories. And clearly it's all about giving yourself over to an experience where the categories and the boxes and the concepts just dissolve away. And that experience is the answer. So it's a loosening of identification with those thoughts, those boxes and categories. And however the spirit guides that, I mean people sometimes will say, is indulgence better than repression? Or is repression better than indulgence? Kind of implying that they're both defense mechanisms that neither have a sense of total fulfillment with them, but one is neither better or worse than the other. And once you start to see that they're neither as better or worse, then you realize that the spirit's going to have to use whatever you're locked into to help unlock your mind. And it depends on how you're locked in of how you'll get unlocked. So that's why it's very spontaneous and it's highly individualized. We can't go back to the old days of religion like here's the do's and the don'ts and never do this. Always do that. Never do this. That will not get you out of the trap. But the guidance of the spirit, as long as perception lasts everything's just mirroring and reflecting mind and consciousness. So it's not so much that spirit dwells in the material form but the spirit is all it is and whatever veils into the spirit has to be removed or lifted. The veil has to be lifted to know the light. So again, I have had a three-legged cat with me even though the faces of the people have changed over the years. The most fixed your face has been this little cat face tripod. And it's been beautiful because even over here now in Hawaii I was getting reports back, oh she's not doing well and over and on I would hear she may be dying and all these different things. But I just see everything in terms of awareness and training and if you feel a sense of love and fullness and you let that just expand and expand, that's what this is about. It's about awakening to divine love. People, animals, plants, everything is just perceptual reflections and they help us remove the obstacles because whenever we have a charge with anything or an attachment like Buddha talked about to anything, then we do see we have something to release and it's actually helping us release it. It's helping us be aware of what we need to release. So I've seen it that way. It's not looking for a positive sense of relationships with people. Thank you for the mirroring that you're offering to my awareness that I may be free. But I've never had a sense of trying to find life in the temporary. The body is very temporary whether it's a cat body or a human body it's not going to be the eternal it's just a device that's getting used along the way. And caregiving can be a way of again, just like with Mother Teresa's service, it's a way of getting out of an ego itself as long as you don't make a self-concept out of it as a caretaker. And then you feel like a responsibility, a heaviness that comes in when you turn it into an identity. I do think it's beautiful how the Spirit comes through us in a very nurturing caring way, draws us higher and higher.