 starting point if it doesn't survive it's Moving forward from that point on if it like say it doesn't it's it goes on for the next four years But after that it falls it just falls under anything you've mined up in that till that point is is oh sure No, but I mean for the people who already had bitcoins. There's no risk. They just have an additional. Yeah You know the same number of coins in a different currently a risk if you if you Buy you buy some yeah exactly and that for everyone who had some it's like hey You have a thousand dollars here. We give you a thousand marks now What happens from there on with the marks and the dollar is anyone's guess? I don't give investing advice nor do I want to rule on whether a Bitcoin is an investment or a security or anything else But My instinct right now would be if I held a bunch of bitcoins I would sell my Bitcoin cash tokens while they're worth exactly exactly that one. That's the super I could also be way wrong there. I don't know. Yeah, you might but the thing is in that configuration Worst things that happens is you miss out on a bigger cash out later, right? You're not losing money. You're just no Bitcoins and now you have that amount of Bitcoin plus, you know, however many 300 bucks That's not true. If you keep your Bitcoin in a an online exchange The online exchanges are each setting their own policy about whether they'll convert Your wallet to Bitcoin cash or not? Some of them are some of them aren't yeah, I've been getting emails from all the places I have little chunks of Bitcoin at various exchanges and I don't even really pay much attention to it But I have definitely been getting emails from all of them with very very long-winded Explanations of what's going on. I'm like, I just hope you guys are doing well Yeah And even if you keep Bitcoin in your own wallet, you have to you have to do a little bit of something to convert it to Bitcoin cash Yeah, yeah, it's not necessarily labor If you keep it on an exchange then Don't they get the Bitcoin cash equivalent to your Bitcoin because it's it's created as well, right? No, I mean some of them are just saying we're not going to bother creating wallets on Bitcoin cash. Oh, okay They're just like it's too expensive. Yeah, the expectation from the consensus is that Bitcoin cash is not gonna be worth the trouble I don't know if that's the consensus. I would not use the word consensus. There are certainly some large exchanges who feel that way It does not seem to be consensus about any of this, which is why we have this situation essentially interesting Interesting. Yeah All right, shall we get going you guys? Let's do it and by the way, am I kind of video invisible as a result of the bandwidth issue? Just so I know no you're looking good actually, okay, cool. Yeah Here we go indeed Daily Tech news show is powered by you. Thank you. It's actually the day we get your Donations for patreon find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Tuesday August 1st 2017 I'm Tom Merritt very excited to welcome back Patrick Beja from French spin comm from his well-deserved European vacation So a couple of people sent me messages saying what's happening? Why are you not on daily tech news show? What are you are you gone? And so here's what happened? We were up on the anniversary Initiation basically the doubling of my salary and Tom was being difficult. So For a few a few weeks Yeah, exactly and now he's agreed to double my salary again as we do every year I took all the Bitcoin that I was paying you and now pay you the equivalent amount of Bitcoin cash as well I I'm gonna make a fortune out of this. I tell you Also joining us a very auspicious day for Rob Reed author of the book after on which Rob Congratulations, it's out today. You know it now exists It doesn't indeed after 7500 hours of writing and web and editing It is really cool that the thing is taken physical form We are gonna talk a little bit more about that later on in the show But let's start off with a few tech things you should know Google announced on Google plus that the daydream ready update is rolling out now to Samsung Galaxy S8 and S8 plus handsets daydream VR app is available from the Google Play Store and it should work on the S8 phones now Though some users have reported you need to clear the Google VR services data to make it work TechCrunch reports retailers confirm the Nintendo SNES classic will be available for pre-order in late August The retro console will ship September 29th for 79 bucks. So those Walmart pre-orders. Yeah, that wasn't supposed to happen Microsoft is partnering with Toby to add eye control to Windows 10 that it's an accessibility feature And it will be available right now in the Windows Insider preview although no word when it would actually show up in Windows 10 They're just testing it out Now here are some more top stories Microsoft also launched surface plus Tuesday. It's not a device. It's a plan The program spreads payments for surface devices across two years at 0% APR So you're just paying off your device. You don't have to pay for it all at once It jumps to nineteen point nine nine percent if you don't make it in two years if you miss some payments So you do incur some financing at the end They're partnering with another company that's providing the financing and all of that surface plus customers would get service and support at Microsoft retail stores and the option to upgrade to a newer device 18 months into the payments And then of course you begin a new two-year period But it's still 0% financing a business plan is also available businesses get a few more options Multiple devices different terms. You can have an 1824 or 30 month period on your devices But you still get upgrades and you still get service and support Rob. I'm curious. Would you Finance a laptop this way, you know, I really desperately want this product so long as it's 1998 the the thing is like there was a there was a time there was a sweet period in in personal computer history where Moore's law was moving fast enough and you know non-moors law things that are similar like disk space and so forth was moving It's such an incredible clip that you know a laptop That was just a little old-film ancient and so did a desktop desktop now Obviously the surface is somewhere between the tablet and the laptop type of thing I used to update my tablets annually in the early early days of the iPad and that Velocity has tapered actually a lot faster than the computer velocity did and I'm definitely at the point We're even with a phone two years is starting to feel like a shorter and shorter cycle period So I mean I think with every piece of technology It depends on where you are in the development cycle about whether basically buying a plan that Makes sense if you're gonna upgrade with great frequency Anyway, there are times when that makes more sense. There's times when that makes less sense I kind of feel like with the tablet e tablet is a computer like realm The biannual upgrade is not such an immensely important thing And the other thing is like the retail access is pretty cool But that only matters if you've got a microsoft store near you and they're more and more of them But they're far far fewer than there are of Apple store. So I don't know I mean, I just I'm just not that frenetic about upgrading. I Think it's it's definitely not the time that it was a couple of decades ago As you mentioned at that point it would have everyone would have jumped on it I think from a lot of people it would be a case of well I could keep the the computer I have but really I would love to have the newest version and For those people it might make sense, but it's a relatively limited Number of people there's also people who don't want to pay up front and for those people it might be very interesting as well So, yeah, no, I really like your your analysis of I wanted this in 1998 because I was definitely on an 18-month Cycle back then to it. Yeah, and for laptops particularly I mean, it's a little different because I do buy things just to have them to test on now Yeah for this job, but but for my personal laptops, it's two years plus for sure and I like those periods I like those periods when it's you desperately want something after 18 months because you feel that upgrade so viscerally Yeah, and you know these days I mean, I'm a back five, but you know, and I love my MacBook Pro But I'm on a kind of I used to be on a biannual cycle with that even as recently seven eight years ago No, it's like three or four and even then I wish I noticed more change when I actually do it I guess if I were an Apple watch guy Maybe I'd be feeling like that really cool every year new stuff, but most stuff seems pretty stable right now Yeah I think even for the surface in the beginning the first model or first to second and second to third It was kind of that feeling but even for the surface now It's kind of well the new one is better for sure But do you really feel the difference? Do you really need it? Yeah, maybe maybe not if I was 18 months, which I actually am close to that for my surface book In fact, I may be right at 18 months for surface book and they said oh well now you could get the one that has the Toby You know eye tracking software with all these cool features and accessibility options That would be fun, but that's not me. That's not the way it goes usually. Yeah. Yeah All right tech crunch reports Carsten no block spotted Google's new ad block feature in the latest Pre-release canary version of Google Chrome for Android an option called block ads from sites that tend to show Intrusive ads appears in the ad subsection of the site setting menu Google is expected to launch the feature for all users of Chrome sometime in 2018 I Have a question for you guys So now we're seeing Google whose entire business model relies on ads so arguably they would have an incentive maybe to They don't have the most incentive to implement implement ad blocking features doing it Possibly arguably because of the pressure of so many people installing ad blockers Which are again arguably not super ethical? I mean, there's a debate there how I'm not talking about the legal aspect, but morally ethically. It's questionable That is an example of that somewhat questionable behavior actually pushing Company or an institution to doing something that they are now going to present as the right thing to do Do you guys think it justifies the use of ad blocks for years that was so controversial Controversial did the end justify the means kind of because now it's going to be legitimate This is effectively an adlock with rules with you know a certain amount of control But it is definitely an adlock. So everyone who was saying adlocks are evil are now, you know Kind of this is not an evil one. Oh, well, or maybe it is but you know Well, it's one that a lot of different people are signing off Google didn't just make this up They they did it with the ad industry But all of this was standard and all of that Yeah, so all of this was pushed by the quote unquote questionable behavior. Rob. I'm curious what you think Well, you know, it's it's it just is another demonstration of google's unbelievable power In society, you know, I mean it's like entire businesses rise and fall based on changes in the google rank First of all now you could certainly argue and I have That creating a good search experience is google's race on detra and you know Who but they should be people who decide what happens with page rank But now we're getting into a slightly different field. We're getting into a field Of advertising in which they are a ginormous player And I think it's safe to say and safe to presume that the types of ads that google distributes not merely on their own site But on tens of millions of sites throughout the internet Those ads are not going to be blocked because they aren't evil like i'm not making a riff on google's ancient motto But you know google ads are pretty inobtrusive and you know, that's important to them But suddenly they're going to be the arbiter for a very very large percentage of people who use the internet because a very high percentage of us do use chrome So we're looking at the world through google's window And google is now going to be in a position to say well, that's a bad kind of ad and that's a good kind of ad and uh Today a hundred percent of ads let's say gets And tomorrow it'll be less than but we do know google has to google ads to get through and even if they're doing it For all the right reasons and are being very very careful about chinese walls and internal controls Um, this is going to look less than neutral I think to people and companies whose style of advertising becomes forbidden By one of their competitors. I think it's there's a moral hazard here And I don't envy the people in in google's compliance and other sort of Kind of trust oriented departments who are going to have to keep an eye on this. It's tricky Well, and that is the natural way for your your head to go and google as I said took very careful steps to say We are not just coming up with these ad blocking standards on our own They got a lot of other companies on board. They made an independent consortium to look into it And so you're right. They have to be very careful about that to get to patrick's question directly though No, I don't think the end justifies the means, but I don't think that's what happened either I I've I've always felt that ad blocker just using an ad blocker is not for me I don't think that's right because I don't want to block the ads and undermine the support of the sites that I visit However, script blockers are something that is important for your security and you may choose to use that Cookie tracker blockers that allow you to choose when you want to be tracked and when you don't I think are an important exercise of your right and privacy badger from the EFF is a great example of that Both of those also block ads and in those cases I feel like well if these ads are abusing My security or my privacy then they don't deserve to be loaded and I think that's what drove this behavior It wasn't people saying I don't want to see ads It was people saying I don't want to see abusive ads now A lot of people didn't go through the process that I did and just said ah these pop-up ads are all over the place I don't want to do it anymore. And a lot of people said look. I want to protect my privacy I'm just going to use ad block plus But but it was the it was treading over the line that caused this and so in that sense I do think that the behavior that it caused Is is a net positive in that it caused Companies to agree. Hey, we need to we need to pull back on that and it also reduced the incentives I think to use ad block plus because most of the people I know who have installed it Did it because not because they wanted, you know They wanted a free ride or because they hated advertising or they felt entitled It was because certain sites do have those really Glaring blaring, you know awful ads that that interfere with your You're engaged with the content. You know just sort of slow down your browser and so forth And so if google can kill those things dead I I actually think that is a major motivation for why people use broader spectrum ad blockers It may actually end up being a really good thing So, uh, basically tom took the, uh, positive view on the way things were, uh, Worked out and rob you're kind of Saying that it's a net positive even if the The the process might have been questionable. We could talk about this It could be I it was just what what tom was saying I think the behavior for a lot of people Adopting a real broad spectrum ad blockers to get rid of the really offensive stuff And if at an at a browser level and it shouldn't just be google I mean I feel better if it was a consortium that included firefox and apple frankly But if at the browser level the really odious behavior gets stopped Then people will have far less incentives to pick up things that really interfere with the ad supported economy at large Yeah, I I still think before we move on in one second I still think none of this would have happened in if the outcry Hadn't been that big and it wouldn't have been as big if the common folk Who don't know or care about privacy and scripts Hadn't engaged in ad blocking and they only care about the ad box But yeah, and the only reason that outcry got so big was because it wouldn't they ads were going over the line Sure Bloomberg sources say facebook is working on a 13 to 15 inch touchscreen video chat device for the home to be announced As early as next spring's f8 developer conference the same sources say facebook's also working on just a smart speaker So it sounds to me like they're working on an amazon echo competitor and an amazon echo show competitor Uh, the products are expected to come from facebook's building eight. That's their experimental lab Of course facebook's not commenting on any of this But supposedly lots of ai built in there just just like with amazon voice services in the echoes That's not surprising. I guess what's surprising is to think of facebook putting out Machines putting out devices hardware, right? That's that's where I was going to go the biggest The most interesting thing of this whole piece of news is facebook is Becoming a manufacturer now they're putting out hardware and that could become a really interesting You know part of the industry in the future facebook not oculus right facebook has been putting out hardware through oculus But this would be directly out of facebook, which is a different thing I remember how audit felt when amazon shipped the first kindle Yeah, I think of amazon as a hardware company facebook have a false start with that phone a while back They had an operating system or it wasn't even an operating system. It was a launcher screen For for andrew that was it. Okay. That was it. I thought there was a facebook phone that just there were lots of rumors about a facebook phone But none of them actually materialized Got it. Got it. Got it um All right, uk home secretary amber rud published an opinion piece in the daily telegraph Arguing that real people Quote often prefer ease of use and a multitude of features to perfect unbreakable security and quote Rudd says she does not advocate breaking encryption or creating backdoors But once communications stored on a central server, which can be obtained by court order presumably encrypted um Ms. Rudd is meeting with representatives from google facebook twitter microsoft and others at a counter terrorism forum in san francisco Where she is discussing how to stop extremists from uploading content to the internet Um secretary rud is is not wrong people often prefer convenience over security. That's the problem that we need to solve well, okay, I I think what she's saying is There are a couple of things first what she's saying there is is kind of nonsensical because she's talking about two entirely different things She's saying they prefer ease of use over unbreakable security I think you what we've seen with all of the encrypted messaging services is that you can have both It's up apples. Well, what's absolutely you can but something like alo. You can't according to google Well, yeah, but I mean if many the point is many of the messaging services now have a very strong encryption and They're not more difficult to use but the ones that don't like alo or facebook messenger will say We don't provide end-to-end encryption just point-to-point because with end-to-end We wouldn't be able to do this or that little extra feature sure Uh, and the other thing which i'm very concerned about is i'm hearing more and more Uh, government officials saying we don't want to break encryption All we want is to be able to have access to your communication. Yeah Good luck. It makes us Laugh nervously because we know that what they're saying. We don't want things to be glittery We just want to have glitter everywhere. Yeah, and it's like, you know And and it really concerns me because it's the type of messaging that people who don't understand that technology Can say yeah, listen to what they're saying. They don't want to break encryption They don't want to have backdoors. They just want to have access to the thing That's reasonable and it's very nerving because i'm hearing this more and more It's it makes me very because what's app with end-to-end encryption that you're the only holder of the key Can't do what secretary rudd is asking for here. They they just can't it's impossible That's the way the system is so they're they're trying to play this little end-around game of like we didn't ask for a backdoor We just asked to be able to read all the messages It's like well But if you leave the only option is to leave unencrypted messages then you've weakened security You can't pretend that you haven't Rob i'm curious if you have any thoughts on this before we move on. Yeah, you know, it's um I I agree with patrick that it seems like kind of You just he's saying well some people, you know prefer to listen to great music to having Fabulous fuel economy in their car. It's like Wait a second. Yes, that that's true. Um, but is there really are these related? Um, You know, and I guess maybe what they're getting at Is and by the way amber rut is a great name It's it's just one val away from amber red and I wonder if Her parents were thinking of a pond when they named her. This is of course in the days before the amber alert um, but you know for for a home secretary isn't that kind of like, um Basically homeland security or is home secretary more like secretary of state? Uh, it's a little bit like in secretary of interior Interior, okay, because the amber, you know, it has that sort of like color alert system type of thing So it seems like a very good a very good name for somebody in the security industry to have but yeah I assume that what they're getting at is if we can break it and we alone can break it You don't have to worry about hackers, right? You know for most of us We don't have to really worry about the government listening in on our messages because You know, either we're boring or we're not terrorists or we're both and the government only has so many years And most people when they hear about security being undermined are going to be more concerned about Something my credit card is going to get stolen because that is a mundane concern That's something that we all stress about and so maybe the the effort here is to say We're not going to break security. You have nothing to worry about unless you're a terrorist But it really does seem like a complete non sequitur that she's presenting here to people Yeah, and I should say home secretary does cover department of interior type stuff It also covers internal security stuff. So there's a little bit of homeland security. There's just a different setup What secretary red seems to be saying whether she realizes it or not Is we don't want to break encryption. We just want to have it not applied In certain places that way. We don't have to break it. It's just right there on that central server So yes, keep that in mind You can't break something if you never switch it on in the first place, right? Yeah, exactly Sony reported its best ever q1 profit tuesday on strong image sensor sales They did lower their estimate for annual image sensor sales as china's clients shift to inexpensive alternatives for lower priced handsets Gaming division profits fell 59.8 percent year over year with a few Major titles being released But sony expects that to bounce backs once new titles start to come out Sony also announced it has acquired a majority stake in Funimation the distributors of shows like dragon ball z and one piece Sony expects its best annual operating profit since march 1998 by the time this fiscal year ends in march 2018 Uh, but yeah, I really interesting there patrick that uh, sony acquiring foundation Yeah, I mean they've they a few years ago. Maybe 10 20 years They had a myriad of profit centers and they were huge Conglomerate now really what they're relying on is gaming and image sensors And gaming the profits fell because basically they didn't have my analysis is that they didn't have Uncharted 4 which was released last year around the same period. So that can explain explain partly that way But then going to invest in other types of businesses Seems to me like they're trying to bounce back and diversify because they know that they might not be able to rely on And they don't want to rely on just one or two Types of businesses however strong the image sensors sales are They're probably not going to be able to be the you know, the big honcho forever in that market And sony pictures Is starting to bounce back they they still have some reorganization to go But spider-man homecoming was great for them So that that was a good move and real quickly before we wrap this up apple Announcing its earnings right now as we're recording the show saying they sold 41 million iPhones last quarter third straight quarter of accelerating revenue growth Expecks 49 to 52 billion in q4 Year over year change in revenue of up seven percent And bad news in china. Well, not that bad, but it was a shrinking market again Revenue and greater china declined to 10 percent year over year to eight billion. So iPhone sales doing well Revenue overall for apple doing well But china still a problem that that they need to work on and fix and that's no look Yes, the market is happy. It is up five percent in after-hour trading. So it won't be by the time most people listen to this But yeah, I mean immediately Immediately the the after-hours market did have a positive reaction to that and that is a look at Our top stories if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com or daily tech headlines on anchor or daily tech headlines in your amazon echo Uh, so one of the Key points early in the story of rob's book after on is augmented reality an augmented reality device And it just so happens that at nerd tackler at the end of july patrick bezia And I both got a chance to try the hollow lens Rob has tried not only the hollow lens, but the meta to augmented reality headset So I figured this is a good opportunity for us to share Our impressions of how we feel about augmented reality in the state in which we have tried it and granted It's progressing still But these are the two companies that actually have devices that you can get granted microsoft hollow lens just a developers kit But the meta is out the meta two is on its way So patrick, let's start with you You know besides people pointing and laughing because they can't see the same things you're seeing Have the headset on how'd you feel? um, I think the biggest surprise for me trying the hollow lens on is that It wasn't as janky as I thought it was going to be um, the the the most important thing was Uh, the image first of all the the lens itself, uh, the plastic is completely clear There is not even a slight slight gray film over your vision But more importantly the overlaid images are completely opaque like you actually cannot see what's behind them It's I think we have this imagery fed by Pop culture and movies where these holographic displays are sort of translucent So I sort of came in with the expectation that it couldn't really Create an object that felt solid because I could somehow see through it a little bit Um, but that wasn't the case the the the images that were superimposed were completely um opaque and felt like they were Uh, they had their place in the world Another thing was that it was pretty good on object stability stability They weren't, you know jiggling when you were moving they were pretty set in the the real space that you were looking at um, so overall, I think the technology was More convincing than I had expected it to be I think we're closer to a usable Um piece of technology than I had anticipated the controls are still a little bit janky I think holding up your arms is not great. Um, having your head to do everything. Yeah, exactly There is apparently a clicker that you don't have to hold up your your fingers and and pinch To to select things and if you have a clicker, it's much more comfortable to use I on the on the meta side Watching the videos. I think graphically it's very distracting. It's pixelated. It's not it's very jiggly It's not stable. I don't know if Rob will tell us that the actual experience is not as bad But what I'm seeing from everything, uh, you know, the ar kit from apple is Surprisingly stable once you have an object add a spot in the real space. It sticks there very very Reliably And overall, I would say I'm still not sure what uses that technology is going to have in every day Uh, every day use. I think it has significant uses for professional at first But I am way more Not convinced but I can be, uh, uh Persuaded that this is going to be scratch that I I think it's going to be a significant Technology for the future and maybe a computing platform that is going to take a large space if we managed to find A form factor that works those ginormous headsets are not going to make it work for everyday use but I was I was surprised at at how I forgot about that big janky headset on my head. Oh, I was using it I don't disagree with you, but it was a little more comfortable than I expected Although I don't know if I'd call it exactly comfortable Uh, and and I was surprised like you about how Solid things looked and how seamless they fit into the world around me Such that the limited field of view didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought it would Because I'm mostly looking at the center of my field of vision anyway Rob, how have you felt about the ones that you've tried? Well, you guys have spent more time with the HoloLens than I have although I have tried both in the meta and I'll agree with patrick the thing that I found most impressive about the HoloLens Was the way things do get planted in space They're very very good at essentially connecting Something to the ground or the table to whatever it is. And I think that that word connect Just to crack a little pun. I have something to do with it I think they learned a great deal from all the work that they've done with the connect system About matching virtual objects to people in physical space and making them connect in a meaningful way What I found powerful about the meta too Is it enveloping field of view it's closer to 90 degrees And so when I had the HoloLens on I kind of felt like there was like a mid-sized hd tv perched in front of me and However good it is and it is good That doesn't make you lose yourself and feel like you are In an environment that is entirely fluent in your presence and in your actions. I also liked with the meta too Intuitive actions and so one of the things I've I've spoken to Met a ceo maron gribbets about this very subject and they they've got something they call air grab. It's imperfect But it's going to get better and as it gets better It's just a much more natural way to access objects and shuffle them around in the augmented space It's literally what it sounds like it's air grab you grab the air And you get the thing and you put it to where you need it to be and they don't have That taxonomy of gestures and so forth. So for me, I personally found the the meta to to be Much more enveloping And even though the headset I think is a little bit bigger and here's the key thing and this is really interesting the meta too is also tethered And that is a really deliberate bet that the company has made On what's somewhat of a contrarian perspective, which is that they think Almost all ar for the for the near future and maybe even in the intermediate future Is going to be productivity oriented and if it's if that's your perspective and you think people are going to be You know at their desktops doing collaborative 3d and so forth You're less worried about a cable plugged into the back of somebody's head because they're not going to be doing live action roleplay in the park, right? And by deciding okay, fine, we're going to be tethered That gives them a few interesting things. It gives them access to much more powerful processors Because the processors are no longer on the headset. And so I think that's why they have the much wider field of view You don't have to worry about heat dissipation. You you Can do things without worrying about weight quite as much So I think in terms of just the sheer horsepower and presence visual presence that the meta to has It is more powerful because they have made that rather expensive decision of tethering Now long term we're all talking about size and tethering presence absence of tethering I just have to look at michael douglas and the movie wall street talking on that shoebox sized phone To have confidence that over you know the period of over a period of time size issues will simply go away They won't go away fast enough But you know and the ar headsets are going to be those things that we're all going to wish we had The free upgrade after two years on you know because they are going to go through that steep steep steep steep curve But if you look at the sort of longer intermediate time frame Let's just assume that the form factor will simply be fixed by by moore's law great design Learning curves in the manufacturing side and so forth, but they are both intriguing They both have their relative strengths and weaknesses and it's really cool to see ar growing up I mean that like patrick said we don't think of it as being these hard holograms I still think of it partially is just being all 2d Because of the old google glass launch video where everything was just this little notification And everything in ar right now is 3d. It's all about holograms and that's a really big step forward right there Well the uh pre-orders are out today for the acer windows mixed reality headset developer edition That's two hundred ninety nine dollars and the hp windows mixed reality headset edition. That's three hundred twenty nine dollars They may they may be sold out by the time you hear this But there are more of them out there. So Go check it out If you're interested there's and and there's more and more places where you can demonstrate the hollow lens A lot of the microsoft stores if you do have one nearby You can do that. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com and facebook.com slash daily tech news show Real quickly before we're out of here. We have a great email From our friendly neighborhood bill Who's up on the bitcoin stuff and wanted to clarify some of the things we mentioned yesterday This morning about two and a half hours ago The first block of bitcoin cash, which is the fork of bitcoin was Was recorded was processed. So the fork has happened as of today whether bitcoin cash Will become valuable whether it will succeed. That's a whole separate issue And if you want to know a little bit more about that fork listen to yesterday's show Or we even talk about it a little on the pre-show if you're a patreon You can get that discussion on the patron version of the feed. In fact, you probably already did if you're a patron But bill writes yesterday you mentioned the bitcoin cash fork And this is part of the debate that's been going on for about three years Bitcoin core developers aren't The core bitcoin developers they're a group of developers in charge of one implementation of bitcoin Even if you only consider the blockchain they operate on there are dozens of implementations of that coin to be fair These implementations are largely compatible till now the centralization fears over larger bitcoin blocks in bill's opinion is unfounded Larger block experiments have worked on raspberry pies The chief concern is around hard drive space But as you know hard drives get bigger and cheaper all the time a $200 drive will hold the bitcoin cash blockchain for several years to come Considering it cost several thousand dollars to buy a miner that has a chance of being profitable Bill again sees this as a non-issue so you can tell bill comes down a little bit on the bitcoin cash side of this Segregated witness segwit is a solution to scaling bitcoin Which in part aims to take transactions off the blockchain in this model Bitcoin becomes a settlement layer between money service businesses as opposed to a peer-to-peer digital cash for the internet Segwit does not increase the block size limit But does fill the blocks in a more efficient way in networking terms It increases the effective throughput without increasing the bandwidth now segwit is what the bitcoin core developers Are are moving to and segwit 2x is a version of that that does increase the block size Finally once the bitcoin cash blockchain speeds up separating your wallets involves backing up your old wallet Installing a bitcoin cash compatible wallet importing your private keys and creating a transaction as you would have done previously It's not technically illiterate grandpa proof But listeners of this show can probably get it done in 15 minutes with a walkthrough It's a confusing issue and hard to cover in a few minutes But thanks for raising the awareness and he's got some source links to bitcoin.org to the raspberry pi doing big blocks segwit and more You can check that out and of course bill if i misrepresented you as being on the bitcoin cash side of things I apologize, but it did seem like you were sort of saying hey the big blocks probably aren't that big of a deal But we really do appreciate that explanation I'm really glad that there are some people in the audience who are smart enough to figure this out because I certainly couldn't have All right, uh, let's take a quick break and check in with mike range Who does the weekly tech views a more humorous look at all of this stuff if your brain is hurting after thinking about bitcoin Well, it's time for the monthly tech views to recap july's technology news Recap being defined here, of course as frivolously make fun of for example A night scope k5 security robot was found floating in a washington dc office plaza fountain This very expensive robot was equipped with facial recognition capability hd video capture infrared and ultrasonic sensors And tragically an irresistible desire for loose change For more of the tech views dubious analysis go to daily tech news show dot com And if you get a few laughs, maybe check out the shiny new tech views patreon at get this patreon.com slash tech views Remember the tech views was fake news before fake news was cool Thank you mike, uh for for that and do go check out his patreon Rob, I think your book might have turned out quite differently If if this was the dominant sort of intelligence in in your robots You know, I think that um the ai is listening because it censored you. What of your words that you just said It's the first word of this entire cast even though I don't have great bandwidth in the apartment of men right now that didn't come through So I think that the super ai is censoring you could you repeat your question? Uh, my my question is Uh After on is out and would have been an entirely different book if the robots had all wanted to lose change Instead of what they do it is true in the black true But uh folks if you haven't checked it out go to after dash on dot com you could find all about the book You can get excerpts there Uh a little bit about the audiobook There's even a podcast that rob and I have been working on and in fact moron gribbets that we were talking about earlier Is the the first episode in that podcast that's up there. Yes, it's all at after dash on dot com rob anything else to tell folks about You know, I'm just going to do a little bit of foreshadowing here because as you mentioned it In two days, uh tom and I have a podcast that is going to launch that is going to go deep into the science and technology Of this book but tom will tell you about that in two days. Um, you know, it it's exciting. It's exciting as hell, but we've got it A couple other things and then it's going to be out in the world Yeah, and today, um today what i'm what i'm babbling about is really the launch of my book. I'm really excited and proud of it Uh took me about 7500 hours as I think I might have mentioned at the top of the episode to write that at this thing It's chunky. Uh, it goes deep deep deep into lots of domains of science and technology Um, and it's also really I think um pretty fluent in the way that entrepreneurship works I was a high tech entrepreneur, uh for several years I was even a vc for a couple of years and a lot is written and depicted about silicon valley silicon valley entrepreneurship Entrepreneurial finance and so forth Much of that is written by folks who haven't lived it I will definitely accept the wonderful show on hbo, which I think it's silicon valley in a really really note perfect way Um, but the book is very much As well about what it's like inside a startup the unique pressures that we face the compromises that people make Um, and there's a great deal of playfulness about a certain diabolical artificial superintelligence Who may just hold the keys to the world's uh saving or destruction in her in her hands? So that's it. And uh, thank you. Yeah, go check it out again The book is called after on after dash on dot com available now Audio book, uh has a lot of cool people on it and it also has me on it as the voice of the nearer It does yes the audiobook features tom and leo the port and felicia day and patrick rothfuss And john hajman and other fabulous narrators Go check all of that out. And of course very happy to have patrick bezia back with us again Patrick, I know you took a break from everything, but it's all back in action. There's a new filius club There's new loranda vutek. It's all happening in french spin dot com Yep, absolutely. Um, it's really good to be back I mean as we joked about before the show started I don't know if i'm if I was kind of not really on vacation because I was checking out tech news and gaming news Anyway, or if I'm always on vacation, which is probably a nicer version because I do that all the time But yeah, just to keep up with me french spin dot com for my shows and not patrick on twitter or facebook That's where you get my stuff Today is of course patreon day the day when all the pledges are collected at patreon dot com dot slash dts So huge huge thanks to each and every one of you who makes this show possible Whether you give us a dollar or 50 give yourself a pat on the back for making this show happen We thank you our email address feedback at daily tech news show dot com or live Monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern 2030 utc at alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website Is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with sky johnson and filmmaker john shiefer talk to you then Show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program Good show All right. Thanks you guys. What should we do? I don't know why people are convinced that scott was supposed to be on today What why? I don't know the scott has been absorbed by the blockchain is the first scott johnson has been Absorbed by the blockchain is the first title. I don't know why I think it's because No, I was gonna say tons. I was checking out the chat room as we were discussing things and lots of very good ar puns in the titles Are ar you not entertained? Are you ready to rumble? Are we having fun yet? Exactly all of those um Well at the top is the daydream receiver on a phone calling screen And scott johnson's been absorbed by the blockchain don't count your bits before they're hashed Google's unlimited cosmic power itty bitty blocking app Examining ads with a fine tooth chrome the great british backdoor show Hollow lens not cloudy with a chance of jiggle Um google ads is blocking to chrome face to facebook hollows the new yolo So Are we ready for this to that a literate grandpa held at beija gets nest Um I get it. Okay uk says Yuk yuck to crypto muck Sony's sensors shine. Sony acquires fun emission Oh acquires fun emission Uh jiggly vr The fork has happened. I actually like a are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Are you I like it Boom you do a diva reference. Are we not men? I like that too actually. That's getting ancient I know It's I'll make some church of the subgenius references in the description too. Oh good for you They're not enough church of the subgenius references out there in general I know there was a period in the 90s the pinks Oh, yeah, no that time that that time needs to return that that time is currently passed, but uh X day happened. That's why Oh did it Was it in the was it in the calendar? Was there a date? X day X day was 99. I think oh got it got it. Okay. Well there Began thursday june 29th ended july 5th. Oh wait oh for 2017 next day What's x day? It's the church of the subgenius day when the aliens would return You know, you know a lot of times that go out double down when an apocalyptic date is missed That's the that is a phenomenon in these sort of french religions that oftentimes people just you know They they they double down. It's like, you know, I'm all the more faithful now. I remember there was a response about that That that no this wasn't in fact x day. It was going to be this day instead 1998 was the 98. Yeah So when uh, when the first uh x day arrived and no alien fleet appeared in the sky Members of the church began sending a large number of conspiracy theories A manual page of the date proclaims that the church declared that it got the year upside down And that the actual day will take place in 8661 This classic subgenius stuff But that's how a lot of those um apocryphal Dates work out right. Oh no, we used the wrong calendar. We missed, you know, we used a modern day calendar Yeah You can't use human human arithmetic To calculate the date Your human mind would not understand the subgenius calendar works on a logarithm So patrick you're not familiar with the church of the subgenius it sounds like, uh, no, I just uh Wikipedia'd as uh roger did and have now been informed Of its nature. Yes. It was entirely uh playful in nature It was never done in serious manner No, an unbelievably funny like the books are just brilliant. Yeah, I just like The the explanation of why it didn't happen in 1998. Oh, yeah, that's classic them No getting the numbers Oh Of course I had the pleasure of meeting reverend Ivan stang at one really I lived in austin. Yeah, was it at the bookstore It was it was at the fringe wearer bookstore It looks like one of those guys that just inhabits a bookstore Well fringe wearer was a was A beautiful place. Uh, it was it was a bookstore Is it like a paradise and Eden perhaps it was it was and they would have they would have cultural events at it like bookstores do But it was all fringe computer oriented stuff That's fun. Yeah. Yeah, so that's where I would go buy 2600 magazine and boing boing when it was actually a zine I used to buy that. Yeah, then I read more about what's his name and what's a manual the guy who ran ran it I was like a Guy that ran what oh 2600 Uh, did we settle on the title? Yes, are we having fun yet or are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Oh, yeah, I think it's yeah, are you not entertained? I think that on the sony thing I thought they bought Funimation so they could channel that into playstation plus as exclusives Well, there might be interesting stuff happening with playstation plus, but um I don't think they would limit it to playstation plus. Well, I don't think they would limit it, but they would give them like initial release Privilege and then give everyone else like you don't think No, that would be I mean, there's a lot of people who have playstation plus but cutting yourself off from every other source of revenue for I don't know I don't see it happening. I mean that they're they're just deals that they do in the same way that disney does deals with Netflix it doesn't have their entire catalogs on it and rotates Yeah, but they don't give the exclusive. I mean maybe for older catalog stuff But yeah, but then sony if sony owning Funimation would allow them to do that and since they kind of are your distributor in north america it gives them Yeah, depending on how they do those deals I mean harmony gold still owns the right to all the macros stuff in the us Which is why you haven't maybe they include it with the playstation view and you know trying to prop up their service like that, but I mean, it's I it's it's definitely more than just one point of of Where it intersects with what they want to do I think yeah, maybe Yeah, you just think it's just Right. Yeah. No, I think yeah. No, I think that they could very much very well be doing it for other purposes But I don't think playstation plus would be a sufficient outlet for the most, you know, animes like dragon ball z and Uh and one piece for them to be exclusive to playstation plus. It's not Well, it wouldn't be leaving money on the table. It's a tiredy. It just be exclusive for like a six month Eighth month period. I mean isn't the isn't playstation Kind of cultivated a lot of developers for jrpgs. I mean it kind of Yeah, yeah, no segue with the audience What about putting it into playstation view? That's what I said. Did you oh, I was busy. Yeah uploading. I know you don't you're a genius patrick. That's a smart idea However, this genius is gonna go It's gonna go Oh too soon too soon I'll be back next week. All right. Yes. Good. We'll see you next week. Thanks. Thank you so much Bye. See you all soon. Bye brother. Bye chat room. Bye. Bye And rob you you've got a uh, you've got book signings to to get prepped for, huh? Bye rob. Okay. He's he's already left. All right. Sorry. I was waving at everyone I I guess I I didn't have the video up in front of me. So I couldn't see Hey, thanks everybody for hanging around. It was good to talk to you and we will see you tomorrow Bye