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We are moving then to agenda item 4 in terms of matters arising from the minutes, but I don't think there are any matters arising from the minutes there, Patrick. We'll move to agenda item 5. This is the North Stowe Enterprise Zone and Local Centre. We're going to have a presentation from AR Urbanism on the North Stowe Local Centre and Enterprise Zone site, which the council bought in September 2020, and Kate Swann, the project development officer, will introduce the representatives from AR Urbanism who will then give us a presentation, which we are very interested to hear. So thank you, Kate. Thank you, Councillor Halings. Hello, everybody. This is a project we've been working closely with our client advisory team, headed up by AR Urbanism. So we're really excited to share this presentation with you. So I will move swiftly on and hand over to Riccardo Boobies, who's been the project manager in lead for AR Urbanism in developing the master plan, and he's supported today by Fred Leves from Expedition, who is a design engineer and who's been helping Riccardo develop the master plan. Riccardo, can I hand over to you, please? Thank you. Thank you, Kate. Thank you, Councillor. Can you hear me okay? Just double-checking. Okay, perfect. I'm going to share the screen if that's okay and share the presentation. It's going to be a double act. So I will cover the first part about the general information on the master plan, and then Fred will help me to complete the presentation, focusing a bit more on the blue strategy. Let me try to make sure this is okay. Yes. So I am covering probably some information that you're already familiar with, but just for the sake of being all on the same page, I'll rather repeat a couple of information and take the risk. The area that the master plan for the employment zone at the local centre covers is displayed in this image with the red boundary and is just adjacent to the guided bus station to the north of North Stoke, and effectively surrounded by early phases of the development, the residential areas to the south, to the east, and the west. This is a close-up of the area, just to remind us all what's there at the moment. It's a series of greenfield sites on the site of a former golf course. The area just to the south of the bus station, bus stop, is used by the Park and Right car park. There is also an expansion area, which is currently just green, but it is earmarked for additional parking, should this be required in the future, and then the area in pale purple is designated for the employment zone, while the red or pink, I should say to the south, is dedicated to the local centre. Now let me start by saying that this separation is a planning separation from a master planning point of view. We try to blur the boundary and making sure that we provide something that two elements, but they're very integrated. So for instance, if we provide facilities within the local centre, we would expect that this facility serves both the residential area to the south, the east and the west, but also potential employees or workers in the employment zone, so that we have a synergies and it doesn't feel like this new quarter becomes its own living thing, separated from everything around. But the same token, we also try to tap into the existing networks, both in terms of pedestrian cycle links, but also green connection as far as possible. There is not a lot on the site in terms of, if you like, elements to record. I mean, there is an existing, recently established green patch that runs across the site, and a series of trees also along the B1050 on running on the west. For the rest, there are already established potential connections that at the moment are not very used because there's no point of using them because there's nothing there, but there is also a formal or recently formalised connection that connects the existing car park to steel and road and is clearly used beyond that with people running through this patch of green and try to get into the residential area to the south. So, in terms of the concept, as I said, there are not buildings there, there are not a lot of natural features to tap from, but what we try to do is try to build on the existing green link that, as you can see on the screen here, and try to build around that a linear park that is meant to provide a connection that has ecological value, but also community values, as well as functional values. So, for walking and cycling, connecting the car park, the park and ride to the existing green, that's already been delivered, sorry, and also try to have a connection from the linear park northward towards a retention point that at the moment is just serving as a runoff of the car park. We're probably not going to be accessible in the short term, but I think we want to enable connection there and try to anticipate the potential later opening and also try to formalise a bit better this existing connection that people are already using. So, we try to shape the master pillar around this, if you like, structure. In terms of overall principles, as I said, we are creating a series of development plots that respect this skeleton and allow also for a potential recycle centre to the north. Now, I think it's interesting to say that the master plan is strong enough probably to take both of the recycling centre and in case this doesn't happen, of course, we can have a master plan that is even stronger. In terms of the decision on this, of course, it's not within our remit to make a call in that respect, but we are trying to secure maximum flexibility, so we have a design that works with or without the recycle centre. In terms of the master plan itself, I make a big jump here before we look a bit closely into the public realm. We have a series of plots that have been tested so that they can maximise flexibility. So, we assume, especially for the employment area, the possibility of having office buildings, but also light industrial building or mid-tech building. The important for us was to ensure that we secure a strong public realm, approach to the public realm, and maximise this flexibility within the plot. So, in the future, when the council has secured partner, it's possible to provide different configuration without compromising this layout. As you can see to the north, we also took the freedom of appropriating the expansion area of the car park. This is because we would really like to, well, first of all, we discussed this, of course, or add initial discussions with the officers, with the county council that are responsible for the car park. We explored the possibility of using this because it looks like this may not be required by future levels of occupancy for the car parking. Then we suggested that if that's the case, it would be probably a good idea to use this car parking at least initially at surface level to cater for the all area, both at the local centre and, but especially the employment zone. This would allow to have effectively a zero car or near zero car employment zone. I mean, I say zero because it's still an employment zone that needs to be serviced. You need to have deliveries. It's an active busy area, so it's virtually impossible to remove all parking from the area. But I think the bulk, especially of cars that sit there for eight hours or 10 hours, can be removed and relocated the edges and that would allow hours then to push the alternative solution that relates to micro mobility. And I think there's probably a very good story in terms of connecting the bus station with electric bicycle, electric scooter or non electric devices as well and try to promote this connectivity. In terms of land uses, we're looking at employment space that you see in blue in the top part of these two diagrams. One is the ground floor on the left and the upper floor on the right. We also locate a community hub to the north of the green that you see here at the mouth of the park. You see a little red dot in the middle of the park in the northern part because we want to provide a sort of a stepping stone for those walking from the park and right and break the distance, which is really five minutes, so it's not a long distance, but helping even further breaking the perception of distance so we get more people to walk and also provide the wayfinding element and guide people towards the local centre as well. We also have food and beverage and leisure on the ground floor and if possible we would like to see residential units on top of this donut block that you see just next to the existing residential areas and to the east of the green. This is an early render of the site, how it could look. As you can see, we are locating a generous amount of space to park and the different areas of the park have different meanings. We use as a model for this building, the residential building, some other developments in Cambridge, but of course this is not architecture yet. We were just providing an early render to express the potential of the site and try to explain how it could look like. Some artist's impression to express what we look into have, this is a community street. I'm sorry I should have said it is. This road that you see here is still in road sandwiched between the green and the community centre and this new other block. At the moment it is one of the two entry points into north from the north. We suggest to open the connection further to the north, which is probably better aligned as a connection to the main centre of north and downgrade or upgrade for pedestrians still in road. The final stretch of Stirling Road to try to make this connection between the community hub and the green and the rest of development a bit better and easier to understand, though we are trying to improve those connections. This street that you see here is exactly a view of Stirling Road downgraded with generous sards and a pedestrian priority as I said. Deliveries and access to car parking will be provided but try to rule out the general traffic. This is a view of the park, how we're imagining the park. This is a view of the green with the residential block to the right and the community centre with I think the ballerinas down there up there doing some activities. This is the mouth of the park from the north from the residential area as you approach from the north again and there are these impressions so you know take them with a pinch of salt but we try to express an intention here in terms of design. In terms of green what we've been doing is trying to distinguish different type of green, articulate and by the way we've been working with LandscapeArch.ocra or a well-established Dutch practice which we've experienced in the UK. The linear park is of course the main feature but there are a number of other interesting green areas so the buffer that runs all around the employment zone but also as we've seen before the community street where Stirling Road is at the moment as well as Suds on all the main streets and within the block that you see in Pale Pink here of course taking into account green roofs, rain gardens and any other chance that we have to maximise biodiversity. This is a view of the emerging master plan and this is us going through some aspect relating to the green. This is the linear park. What we see is an opportunity to have this exact route which allows to break the monotony of the park into different rooms and try to maximise it within each of these rooms the potential in terms of biodiversity. As you move south towards the green the chances to use green areas for amenity and activity increases proportionally but this middle section if you like is more to do with walking through and experiencing the site. I'm going to just go very quickly here the one to bore you to death about the different characters. These are for the examples from precedent images. As you can see there are different also facilities around the route. We also try to give the frontage of the building towards the park so we get activated and it feels safe and secure to use. I'm going to hand over to Fred if that's okay and Fred I'm going to drive the presentation for you when you're ready. Okay good afternoon everyone. I'm Fred Labbe from Expedition Engineering. We've been working with Ricardo and Kate on our team in supporting and developing the master plan mainly from an engineering perspective but also looking at the wider sustainability. So in terms of blue strategy we have looked at the wider context and we are within the catchment of the cut and arm loads which we know has been experiencing severe flooding and flood alleviation schemes have been put in place so we mind full underneath to control run-off on the site both in terms of quantity but also in terms of quality and we've been working within the provisions already made within the master plan. As you probably know there is a couple of large water bodies provided to the east of the wider master plan the water parks which have capacity to deal with the run-off on the site. But what we have really trying to do within the master plan as Ricardo was talking about is really to bring the blue together with the green and the public ground. So really trying to come up with a holistic proposal to manage surface water run-off in the landscape enhancing biodiversity. So this is a section of the design codes which we've taken as a starting point but you can see there's actually very little going on in terms of storm water management. So what we have done if you go to the next slide Ricardo we have looked at the different typologies of streets different typologies of public space to bring those third elements. So this is one of the primary streets with quite a general generous width where we have introduced sets and rain gardens on either side of the streets to effectively collect the run-off, control the discharge but also deal with deep use of unpolition. You can also see the green roofs on the buildings which will also play their part in the storm water management. The next slide that's another variant with a narrow street so we have the options to introduce more sets in between the car parking spaces. Next slide. And this is one of the east-west streets where we have a wider green corridor and we have a pond and with that pond that also comes an opportunity to harvest rain water. So we're also aware of the water scarcity within the Cambridge area and we've been looking at ways to integrate the storm water management but also the wider water strategies. I want to look at closing the water loop and taking some of that water back into the buildings and for irrigation of the landscape. So within that pond and within the network we're proposing to harvest rain water to minimise the water footprint of the master plan. The next slide. This is just showing what would happen in some of the narrow streets within the site. I think if you go to the next slide we probably, yeah so this is another element. So effectively what this gives us is a series of typologies of streets and how we've brought the sets into all of those different typologies. Yeah and this is through the main parkway so here we have a more generous sets features integrated within the landscape where we can effectively retain and bring more water. So I think if you go to the next slide we're probably on to the biodiversity, Ricardo. Yeah so the other aspect that we've been looking at is as well as managing water in a sustainable way both in terms of flooding control of pollution but also as I said minimizing the footprint of development and harvesting water being water efficient. We've also looked at ways to enhance biodiversity. At present the site is a green field site but it was formerly agricultural lands and part of it was falling within a golf course. So the value, the ecological value of the site is relatively limited but we have aimed to achieve the biodiversity gain target from the emerging greater coverage local plan which is really looking to achieve 20% biodiversity gain and we've done that through the green infrastructure provision integrating that with the water management which bring a rich mix of habitats but also looking at smaller interventions that we can bring onto the buildings with green roof and with smaller habitats for insects on birds as we have on those slides. So we think that with those that mix of measures we can achieve the 20% biodiversity gain targets subject to further refinement and subject to further surveys but I think it looks promising. Go to the next slide. So we've also looked at the wider if you want the holistic sustainability strategy for the master plan so looking beyond biodiversity and water management but also looking at the route map to net zero carbon, looking at sustainability of materials and looking at transport and mobility and we really looking at an integrated approach trying to find solutions that have multiple benefits and really trying to tie the different aspects of sustainable development together and the framework that we've proposed is to use Kate Rayworth, Donut Economics, the principal, overlapped with the 17 sustainable development goals from the United Nations. So Kate Rayworth, Donut Economics effectively proposed that true prosperity and sustainable development really happen in that space between where the social fundamental needs are met and between the ecological ceiling of what the planet can support. So it really that space which creates the gap for sustainable development and economic prosperity. So if we overlay onto that the 17 goals for sustainable development from the United Nations we get a very robust framework. If we go to the next slide we have an example of a framework of a similar framework that we have developed for the Meridian Water Master Plan in North London. So Meridian Water is a 10,000 homes, 6,000 jobs master plan in Enfield in North London. So it's a very large and complex development. We have used this approach and we have developed this specific donut for that site. So we are proposing to use a similar framework for the employment zone in the local centre of Northstone. I'll come back to that. But before doing that we've looked at the policy context and you're probably all familiar with that, the national policy landscape on sustainable development. So if we look through the time frame we've got in 2019 the UK declared a climate emergency with a commitment to be not zero carbon by 2050. The following year the government published the 10 point action plan on energy white paper to effectively address how this is going to be achieved with a target to shift towards green public transport and pushing for an electric future on more sustainable new buildings. This was then captured also in Part L, a revision of Part L which was considered for consultation in 2021. We expect to be launched this year as well as the environmental bill which will also set a number of those requirements into policy. We also have looked at the local policy context, the adopted local plan for South Cambridgeshire, but also the emerging local plan from the Greater Cambridge Authority which provides a series of new targets. Next slide. We were also aware that the council declared a climate emergency and produced a zero carbon strategy to achieve those aspirations. Next slide. Lastly if we go down the hierarchy from national to local policy then we have the brief for the master plan which also sets a series of ambitious aspirations in terms of sustainable developments around landscape and green infrastructure, sustainable drainage provision, net zero carbon, holistic approach with circular economy, water efficiency, climate resilience and future proofing and interestingly as well well-being and biophilic design with consideration of the well standards. So we've looked at that whole policy background to effectively develop a vision on a set of objectives for the for the for the project. So if we go to the next slide so this is our we talked about the donuts, the donut economics and we showed you the one that we developed for median water and this is the is very sketchy as you can see it's in progress but this is the the emerging donuts that we're proposing to use as a framework for this project. So we're proposing to have four sectors. One is environmental resilience that we have carbon and resources, health health and well-being and mobility and connectivity. What is important is to really think that all of those things are interconnected and work together to to drive towards sustainable development. If you go to the next slide we've taken the four the four themes and we've proposed a vision a vision statement for each of those aspects so we aim to create a biodiversity environment with climate resilience at its heart looking at flooding and also mitigating the impact of development. We are sparring we aiming for net zero carbon developments threading lightly on the planet water resources as we said is a is a key aspect of that and then also considering on promoting circular economy. Mobility and connectivity we're looking at an accessible place which prioritise active travel and low carbon transport and then health and well-being basically looking at a place where people can work and meet with the infrastructure for comfortable healthy and meaningful lives. I think it's very important to have all of those things together working together for example if you if you look at carbon mitigation that really needs to be balanced with health and well-being you might look at reducing carbon in buildings which might push for a particular type of glazing a particular type of approach to controlling solar gains but that needs to be balanced against daylight. This is just an example but all of those things needs to work really nicely together and then to finish we have turned those vision statements into a series of objectives for each of the themes or if you go back if you visualise the the donuts that we're trying to build this is effectively going back to the different little piece of the donuts which will then create the different objectives of the of the project so we've talked about most of that I probably don't need to run so each of them individually but this is this is the aspiration of the of the project thank you very much Just just a closing remark for me and thank you Fred. So what we're really aspiring to do this is concept design probably worth noticing but I think we were very keen to establish a strong approach to to sustainability from the outset in the hope of course that the next stages of design will take this to the to the next level and also is a healthy new town as well so there are strong ethos in terms of making sure that these benefits are also relating and relevant to the people that are using and leaving this this this development and again we won't really try to establish a very an exemplary development of a business quarter and local centre that is not something you know parachuted out of outer space or being out of town this needs to be really a new generation of if you like employment zone I think Kate I'm going to give it back to you if you want to add anything. Thank you for Ricardo and Fred yeah so I hope that was really interesting for everybody today I don't think I'll say too much more I'll just hand back over to Councillor Hayling and see if there's any questions. Thank you very much and it's hugely interesting and really good to know that as the council being part of this is engaged from the very very beginning and making sure that this is completely embedded with all of the policies that we have so I'll take some questions first I see councillor but also I'd realise we didn't introduce ourselves so anyway as you speak you can introduce yourself councillor Bridget Smith leader of the council and cabinet member for climate change. Thank you very much so that's the second cabinet to have this presentation and actually there's so much there that I probably need a third need to go through it a third time actually so I mean I find it really really exciting actually and I think the visuals are great you know it's it really sort of brings it to life. Since we started talking so I'm going to talk specifically about biodiversity net gain so it's something that we've been talking about or I've been talking about for four years now and there's a there's a sea change happening in how people view it from the something that's just been definitely in the too difficult pile to something that people are now really seeing as an opportunity and embracing so in very very recently in the last few months I've started sitting in presentations where people start talking about 20% gain as a minimum rather than as a target is that something is that a position we're going to get to with northstone realistically in your view please. Maybe I will answer that I think what we have done for northstone so we I'd be very honest and clear we missing some current surveys so we have some we have some information on the site at the moment but we don't have recent complete ecological surveys but we've used the information we have we've used the the history of the site we've used site visits and the information in the in the in the master plan and we've looked at so that this is to effectively get a baseline and then we've looked at the the palette of intervention that we've proposed both large and small and we found that we can we should be able to achieve 20% without without pushing the without without too much effort so I think we could potentially go I'll think a little bit above 20% but it does depend on what's currently on the site so if we have a particular ecological habitat that we don't know about that that could potentially change those calculations so I think at the moment we hopefully we can we can achieve 20% but it depends on the baseline. I think you know we are now well well informed enough to accept that delivering on-site in a lot of cases is actually just not possible so I think we are far more accepting of the fact that if we're going to hit these ambitious targets there has to be some off-site offsetting I'm looking to Councillor Haylings who's the expert on this in order to do it and I think as a council we are receptive to that in order you know because that's how we deliver the maximum benefit but it's it's interesting to hear that your initial analysis shows that there is quite significant opportunity within the site as it stands at the moment but I wouldn't like to think that you stopped at that but you know you looked at other opportunities as as well. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Paul Bearpark. Hello my name is Paul Bearpark I'm a Member for representing Milton and Water Beach Ward. Just a couple of points I was really pleased to see the Donut Economics framework in there that's one of my favourite frameworks for balancing different competing influences. I appreciate this is a master plan but a couple of ideas on this I noticed that the it was looking at kind of suggested 10% on-site energy generation and that seems quite low. I wondered whether there was an opportunity for a solar generation at the Busway carpark in the same way as happening at St Ives so placing solar panels above the carparking spaces could be an opportunity for generating on-site energy. The other thought is businesses require a lot of courier deliveries and pick-ups throughout the day and I've noticed in a lot of places there isn't provision for the vehicles to pull up and make their delivery often they're parking on pavements or they're parking on double yellow lines and I wondered whether there was an opportunity here for a kind of courier hub where the last kind of hundred yards or so could be cargo bike deliveries so that all the all the courier deliveries in the vans come to a central point and then the last the last couple of hundred yards is cargo bikes. Just a couple of thoughts on that. Thank you. Thank you very much. We'll take another question. I think Councillor Graham Cohn. Just a quick introduction so I can really sorry. Sorry, my bad. My name is Councillor Graham Cohn and I'm from the Fenditon and Full Worn Ward. So my question was around bird boxes, swift boxes, the insect bricks that are in these commercial buildings. Really just to ask have you looked at where these have been already implemented on other commercial sites? I know across South Cambridge here we've got them in residential areas but because of the different species and things I know I've sat in talks where they've talked about hypes of those bird boxes and where they should be situated on on sort of new development. So just just to ask about that and the second point was very similar to the point that's already been raised about generating energy at source or on site whether that be through solar panels but but also using the water that is run off water on site. So whether that's for industrial use or flushing toilets or whatever it might be is there any means to use that run off that you're you know very eloquently capturing across that site at source? Cheers. Yes and Councillor Jeff Harvie as I feel noted down the questions here. Thank you. Firstly, and you're from, sorry? Yes sorry, yes Councillor Jeff Harvie so one of the two vice-chairs for and also Member for Borsham Ward. I wanted to just say I thought this is really inspiring because quite often you see visualisations of a new developing you kind of feel that just as a last-minute thing a few trees have been randomly plumped down to make it look green but I just have the reassuring feeling here that this whole biodiversity theme had been sort of very much part of the sort of early concept and really sort of built into it and I also thought well it's so nice to see that we can provide hopefully a really a sense of well-being in a working environment for just ordinary people to enjoy not not people who work in sort of you know high value industries where we have sort of atriums with running water and so forth this could be just as good. I wondered actually how it would sound in terms of because one thing you can't see from these visualisations is sort of soundscape and I just wondered if any thought had been given to that I mean you've got a few elements there like the sort of walking boards and maybe the trees I suppose the rustling of the trees and some of that the wildlife would be interesting to know how you sort of conceptualise that and also just a final thing what would be the embedded carbon and how we thought about using some wood in construction or would it be predominantly concrete. Thank you. Like we just a bit tight on time so if you can just sort of yeah be a bit precise on those responses thank you. Okay should I take the first question on the renewables? Yes please. The 10% renewables is from the project brief which is 2020, dated 2020. In our strategy, in our sustainability strategy we have reviewed the local policy requirements and I think there is a requirement from the Greater Cambridge emerging local plan which asks for all operational energy to be coming from renewable sources so this is what we this is what we like to to have as an aspiration so much beyond 10% and yes I think the idea of having some photovoltaic panels on some of the car park could also be could also be very contribute to that strategy so I think we could have roof mounted PV working well with green roofs but also use the space on the car park to get to get some renewables. Just to jump in there Fred sorry just to add the car parks the car park for the park and ride isn't cut isn't in our ownership so it's definitely there's an option there to explore sort of a local energy generation and distribution project with you know working with the county with solar panels but we don't actually have kind of the ownership or the yeah the control over that site but it is something we will explore. Can I give a flash answer about the logistics and I really really agree with the idea of a neighbourhood consolidation centre and the last mile to be operated either with electric vehicles or or bikes I think it's it's brilliant and I think if we're going to make a recommendation of course it will depend on the delivery routes and who will manage the the area to really harness the most of it because the last thing we want is to put in place and then everybody going in different direction not using it so we will have to have a coordinated approach which is easier when there is a a an overall management of that. For bird boxes we haven't taken a look in terms of height and all of that because it was still a concept level we make a recommendation and I didn't hear a point about construction techniques because my connection dropped so a policy is for that. How much embodied carbon so how much is looking at using wood rather than cement or concrete? Yes so we have we have done it's not in those slides but we have done if you want a route map to zero carbon so we've looked at all aspect of carbon operational carbon embodied carbon and we have looked at minimizing the embodied carbon of the buildings to to the Letty guidance and to the Reba 2030 guidance I think this effectively pushes towards sustainable construction and potentially timber construction so I think we set up some quite ambitious targets on embodied carbon as well. There was a question on water efficiency as well so I think we we have set up an approach to to minimize water demand at source so really looking at all ways of being water efficient within those buildings from from fittings to user behavior to metering and leakage control and then we have this opportunity also to harvest run water from the storm water system which effectively could be fed back into into the buildings to flush toilets and to displace portable water demand. I like the question about how does this place sound. We don't have an answer to that yet but we we have looked as well at the the feel of the place and the health and well-being and trying to create a range of different places active place or quieter place and really looking at the shading and the health and well-being within buildings and outside of buildings. Lovely thank you very much and then I have a couple of questions but also comments that I'd like to do so. You were talking about this being a zero carbon or near zero carbon free area when you showed us all of the slides there you were showing cars on every street so I was just wondering how that matches up so that's sort of a quick one if you could answer that and then I just have a couple of kind of comments I'd like to make. It's very very quick the the answer in the sense that we provided that sort of drop of point throughout the development so we wanted to demonstrate that you can get access to the buildings in front of the doors because that's going to happen anyway but yes and then try to remove the the cars from the equation so we also need to provide for blue bed all the you know and and disabled car parking so we maintain that we move everything else off we use micro mobility to manage that and although we do realise that we also rely on land that we don't own for the expansion zone of the car park we think it's possible but we leave it there in case that is not achievable we still have tested the master plan it can hold and within the block the parking inside without eroding the quality of the public space outside that you've seen that's the fallback plan yeah. Pavements I suppose it was very good that you do show that you can drop off there's a space for it without um but those are not those are not parking spaces that's what's going on. No the drop off point yeah the drop off point so I'm and I'm learning so I've got neighborhood consolidation was it neighborhood colon solidation center and my ability on that one so that's very very interesting about where you bring in all of the deliveries and perhaps then go out in terms of micro mobility that's very good so can I just sort of in in conclusion we're sort of noting this we're and I think all of the comments that I've heard um are very very interested in the kind of example this gives it's you know seeing that the council leading on this because being the owner and then working together with the developer what I've heard from you so strongly is you are actually giving us clear examples of what's being tried to being achieved by our emerging local plan and you're being guided by that and that is just fantastic because you know your diagrams are showing us what new development can be like you know if if we actually take all of this on board and make it serious. What I do have so I would like to do when you're looking at your policy context can we add a couple of serious important documents so one would be you've got the zero carbon strategy of our local development our local council zero carbon strategy the sister document is the doubling nature strategy I think you're already taking a lot of that on board but it would good to have that there but also the recently adopted biodiversity supplementary planning document so if you could just bring those two in so that you can acknowledge them everything that you're saying is absolutely in line with those but I think it's very very good to have them acknowledged and the blue green water I've been very interested in well there's a concept called nature smart cities as well and how we're doing that blue green adaptation and what I've just so happy to hear today as we were showing the first slides you know and reading the document thinking well you have the suds is there any way of also recycling as councillor and cone was asking you know recycling that and taking around and you're already thinking about both the flooding and the water scarcity and then linking that into the green which it's just so good and motivating and lightning to hear of you know developers talking in that way so thank you at this concept stage I would wonder about the semi permeable pavings and whether that is something when we talk about greening that it doesn't all have to be tarmac even where we're driving and delivering now some of that because it's an enterprise zone we'll need heavier vehicles perhaps but I think if we can consider where the semi permeable paving um as well as the suds could could help I like the idea as well of that sort of the link you know that that's um between the bus way and the local centre that you have a halfway place you know making something of that that sounds very good in terms of donut economics and I share um councillor ballback parks um you know would you say it was one of your favourite preference for the for the donut economic model and and and me too and I've done quite a few now examples of how you adapt this to a local situation so the only thing I would like to come to propose is when you do the local example is you've gone from the donut economic which is our ecological boundaries on the outside and we don't want to overshoot and in the middle is where we get the social fall through of people who fall through the net or some of those rights and social needs and economic needs fall through the middle and that's why I would like you to continue to keep rather than dividing up into four you keep the outer rim and the inner rim around the ecological and the social what that would allow us to do I didn't hear it would do exactly what you said which is a business quarter and a local centre that doesn't sit on the edge so what you do on this in the in the inner part would be to talk about economics as well you're bringing economic development jobs and possibilities and alternatives into a local area so that's local economic development which you haven't talked about in your donut which I think is huge um you know and access to that as well and linking it through maybe with some of the educational opportunities in terms of skills so I think if you brought that into your centre and then we go to your outer where you have all of the um and the health and well-being would be in your middle in your centre obviously no and then ecological I just didn't see I'd like to see what you did talk about which is water scarcity you talk about the flooding for resilience and I think your water scarcity you've done quite a lot around that so I'd like to see that emphasised within your donut and then finally um waste so we you know how you bring in waste management in in that enterprise zone as well I think would be would be great thank you thank you very much thank you we're really really looking forward to see how this moves forward it's a huge example fantastic thank you thank you great members um what an inspiring way to start we go to agenda item six and another one which is the Cambridge solar together update um and this is the recently completed solar together Cambridge scheme and Eleanor Haynes climate and environment project officer Eleanor are you with us hello hi Ali we'll present this report um thank you councillor Haylings and uh good afternoon um everyone um I'll just I've just got a slide to share um that can you can you see oh no sorry can you see that all right or is it still on the we can no it's now on presentation okay perfect um so I'm just going to provide a short update on the solar together uh Cambridge scheme um so the scheme is um as you all will know a group buying scheme for solar panels and battery storage led by the Cambridge county council um in partnership with the company eye chooser so the scheme helps to deliver the council's zero carbon strategy by increasing local generation of electricity and reducing reliance on grid electricity and then it also benefits residents local businesses and community groups so residents can register their interest um and these registration numbers are taken to a group auction um where the company offering the lowest installation price wins the contract um residents then receive an offer for the scheme um and can choose to accept or reject the offer so in south cambridgee 605 households accepted the offer 182 dropped out following the survey but this number of dropouts from the scheme is to be expected uh the number of installations was there for 416 and this meant that 5,743 panels were installed and this ultimately resulted in a reduction of 386,637 kilograms of co2 there are also 32 battery installations and this means that these households will really benefit from the storage of electricity produced on their own houses so that they're directly benefiting from the panels and are not as reliant on grid electricity and so south cambridgee district council also received a commission of the sales of the solar panels based on the number of installations and this was higher than expected so the council's net income from the scheme was 10,610 pounds 77 the scheme for this year has launched and the deadline for residents to apply is the 16th of march after which residents can still apply but it won't count towards the numbers which are sent to the auction and so so it'll seem fewer after this day um and so so far there's been 1,035 households in south cambridgee which have already registered their interest um so which is a really positive start and we hope that more more will continue to apply thanks can you put the slide up again there oh yes of course sorry yep thank you and can I ask a question there yes which would be um what's the percentage what was the percentage of registration compared to the amount of uptake do you know that um i'm not quite sure so it was um so 2,466 i think registered that's of memory but i can confirm that with you in an email and then so then 605 accepted the offer good and so and that's an interesting fact i think these these figures are just amazing because i think we did have one of the highest registration rates didn't we and that we did a lot of promotion of this and we got of the highest interest um level of interest and then there'll have been a certain amount that actually then said yes come and do an assessment and paid the deposit for the assessment and then which i think is 150 pounds and then they got the assessment and then you decide is it worth it am i going to do it so do you have any sense of um is that a good you know rate of acceptance to an any sort of registering of interest uh in so so the the registration in comparison to the actual um acceptance um i'm i'm not quite sure if that's compared um if that's the norm compared to sort of schemes in other areas i would have to contact i choose her to get that information but i would say that it's a pretty good um acceptance rate um especially um yeah given uh yeah given that uh there was sort of like the uncertainty of the energy market as well at the time so i think i'm what so and what i'm talking about is one of the reasons that we decided to really link up with this scheme and when we were looking as as a council and um you know as the committee how do we what role can we play to encourage people to um you know have great energy generation in their own homes um it was in the end that councils are trusted brokers so since the feed-in tariff has gone and now some of the prices have gone down but what we were being told by tenants and residents was it's just kind of a it's it's so complex to navigate and we don't know who's a trusted provider and who will continue out there and give maintenance so if you invest and then you find that these cold callers go bust so you know that's how having a trusted broker through the council to a trusted provider and then being part of a joint cooperative bid to get a better price for your smart ox fork guarantee is would seem to be you know what we were that's what we were thinking this is the best role we can play so it'd be really interesting to know one we've got high interest level in terms of signing up for at least for registration and it really would be good to know is that kind of is that a good uptake and if so we can compare it with this year and then know whether there's anything else we need to do to improve that thank you yep i've got councillor Graham Kern and then councillor Bridget Smith thanks very much chair um so i should probably declare interest and i've applied for the scheme and so i've got solar panels on my ex-council house um but i quite like the battery pack because i work all day and most of my energy is used in the evenings when the sun isn't shining so i'd speak been speaking to to residents about the scheme and i think i think personally the uptake is very good i think it's been set out in a sort of clear way i know there's been lots of correspondence from it like in letters on social media emails and that's i think i think that side of it has been very good and i think the uptake is good in my opinion um what i was going to ask about is that um when i spoke to some residents about this they they talk about um so a bit like myself so the reason i haven't bought a battery pack in the past because it's too expensive essentially and i haven't got the sort of outlay up front so um you know obviously part of this scheme is about driving down that cost for for residents via the sort of bulk purchase of those but some residents have been saying well even if it was reduced by you know 20% and it was a pretty good price i don't know how i might then go on to finance that or um you know should i approach you know a bank for a loan maybe and then you know they sort of work out the interest rates maybe it's good maybe it's not and and it's that sort of part of um uh you know should i then go ahead with that but you know does it make financial sense to to go ahead with that and where do i get the loans from and that's i just wanted to see how much support and help there was in terms of getting the finance for the the battery pack or the solar panels once the the price has sort of been given to the resident thanks John to reply hi Siobhan uh just a couple of points of information on the the numbers actually in that the original scheme was set up uh with the intention that it would around break even in terms of the commission um that the council got and the outgoings in terms of marketing and actually the fact that it has turned um quite a quite a profit is a really good indication that the number of people who took this up was actually quite a lot higher than expected and the second point was just that in terms of this second year um a lot of those people who registered the first time may now have more confidence having sort of known people who've gone through the scheme and so i think there's every reason to think that this second scheme will do well also can i just come back on that one before there's an answer to Graham and then we go to cancer Bridget Smith and then cancer Jeff Harvey um yes i was and so thanks for that as an indicator that's kind of a proxy indicator on that one so thank you Siobhan i'm wondering um should we be thinking what we do with that return um in terms of as a council are we reinvesting so you know it's really really good um and we know that you know as councils all around were sort of not getting as much government funding to provide public services so we've got to think about that as well so it it's really important that it does come back into um you know we've got a a good return but also i think it's is that something that we should think about how we can reinvest in in further help to residents in this particular area seeing as that's that's why the money's come into us i don't know if anybody else has a thought about that but you know it it's it and so i think it is an excellent indicator obviously if the original design was that it would break even and we've actually come back with over 10 000 pounds that does seem to suggest it's been a much higher final uptake of actually accepting um than originally envisaged so thank you for that Siobhan but to go to councillor Graham Cohn's question about sort of support on advice around the finance but also maybe support in terms of learning some things like that is that this is this is something we could look into i seem to remember um that on the whole what people can get from the bank is probably as good as anything that could be provided but it's certainly something we need to look into and we will do that and can i sorry sorry can i also add that yeah um i choose are a quite receptive to sort of feedback like this so we we can pass that on um as something that would be really beneficial to those applying so we'll pass on on that feedback to to i choose a and um yeah the scheme thank you and cats British Smith thank you very much indeed um so i have to declare an interest that i've registered as well despite living in a listed building in the conservation area so it's going to be very interested to see uh whether this gets through to uh through to fruition um so look at the figures on page 54 it's really interesting how well you've we've done in south Cambridge and you know all credit all credit to you for uh for doing this um particularly as you know excluding Cambridge city you know we probably have way more challenges in terms of uh listed buildings and conservation areas so other areas which i don't think have the same level of challenge actually performed really quite poorly compared to us so i think that's very reassuring i would be interested i'm sure you don't know the answer but i would be interested to know of those installations that have been successful are any of them on listed buildings and in conservation areas because i'd really like to know that we as a council are making some headway in breaking down these barriers um to you know to allowing everybody to be able to benefit from from solar energy yes i mean um so i yeah i completely agree and i think that um yeah i'm looking at the the website now um and they yeah they they provide some guidance on um listed buildings but i completely agree that it's an area um and i don't have yeah access to the to the figures on listed buildings in in um specifically but i i would be able to to see if i can can get those and see see the um yeah what what the challenges and what have been on listed buildings and the lessons that we can take away from that and how we can yeah pass um uh learn from those um and take them on for future future schemes as well so um can i just come in for giving the the floor to Councillor Jeff Harvey and actually this is an area that he's been championing um as per the count the motion at full council elly so it would be really good if you did work with um Jane Green and the team at built natural environment and the conservation officers about this so that we've got so that we're kind of seamless in a way um so that it's not seen as something different and so we can really look at pushing the envelope ever more and more where it's possible and appropriate to do so and bringing in other expert evidence you know where they've done this in other places i think this is going to really help us to have the confidence um and what we don't then have are two different responses going back to owners of listed buildings which you know it wouldn't be helpful especially if we're trying to make things easier and clearer for people to do this Councillor Jeff Harvey yes thank you chair and i wonder if um Councillor Fane is about to um and apologies for stealing this under a fears but i suppose it's also important to think about conservation areas um which sometimes include um buildings that aren't listed and um sometimes that's an impediment which seems sort of anachronistic now given the urgency of climate change need to address it so that's one point um an easy question really i want to know whether the 380 tons is is 380 tons per year or over the total lifetime of the panels um i wondered about this year whether we might find that people come back for a second go and therefore um there's slightly more applications for battery storage than the people who got pvs last year are now thinking well i need to add some batteries um actually i'll have to admit that i was one of the dropouts in last year's scheme because i had sort of tipped an interest in batteries because i've already got solar panels but i wondered um i haven't looked at the information of him this year yet but um the reason i didn't go ahead was because um i think pvs are quite a sort of simple proposition to sort of make some rough um back of an envelope calculations on but with batteries um when you start adding in things like uh flexible tariffs uh time of use tariffs uh if you've got an ev or maybe argue you don't need a battery because of the sun shining you're charging your car if you've got a heat pump then you've got about four different variables there it's totally mind boggling um you know even for a an engineer like me but i don't know um and not a very good one maybe but um so it's really complex and actually i learnt from councillor Hayling so she found herself sitting opposite the world expert um in optimum sizing of batteries yes so um and this was a sort of professor um you know Cambridge University so i think it it isn't as simple as it seems and i wondered if there could be some help coming through um on answering those very complex questions you know and really answering the question is it worth my while buying a battery yep councillor by park um yeah i've also registered for the scheme um and i'm looking to extend uh solar panels that were installed 14 years ago to see if i can extend the scheme for extend that further um but i wanted to ask about um efficiency of solar panels they vary quite a lot um obviously if we're looking at the lowest cost provider is there a minimum performance requirement um because i think the best solar panel is now achieving 19% efficiency but they're obviously more expensive than others um is there any is there any performance requirements when selecting the provider it's certainly i chooser have always organised the scheme to be a high quality scheme with with only the high quality um panels on offer and in fact that's one of the things that they have learned as they have as they they've developed as a company because they used to offer two different grades but now it's only it's only the high grade ones um good um and i think it'd be very good so i was to declare an interest so i signed up last year and it was to see whether or not we get a battery and it led to huge discussions in our house about whether and even when we got the we did do the assessment we paid the deposit and in the end we decided not to yet as we were looking at the whole issues with um we haven't got an eb car yet but when do we do and you know when will it be affordable and is that or not um take place but i think these are the kinds of conversations we want everyone to be having you know and so this is excellent because it provided us with a huge amount of information to come in not everything but it enabled us to have those kind of conversations that we wouldn't have kind of been having but also um cancer just Harvey just um and it was a disagreement because i wanted it but my husband did so we've still got the conversation going on but um i did happen to sit next to what day are we the week last week i did sit next to by chance a self-declared expert on um the sizing of batteries and panels to particular establishments and he has just published research that he's done on this and he said i think of a resident of south cambridgeer um and i got the letter about solar together he said and i was wondering who i could talk to because he'd be very happy to talk to the company about the about what they're using to decide that and just to see if you know if they want to have access to his research and whether that would help in any way so that's just a bye the kind of conversations we're having thank you so much for that report it's really important that we have oh cancer be the fame thank you chair i thought i'd perhaps um ask a question as possibly the only member the committee doesn't have to declare an interest as currently installing solar um i think in this area we have a number of companies who are leading on solar integration which i as council jeff harvey referred earlier on the importance of making solar something that can be considered in more on more sensitive buildings and indeed in conservation areas and i just wondered whether um that was an option that was looked at it is inevitably rather more expensive but on the other hand it does tend to look rather better and less intrusive on some buildings yes it's not something that i choose to have offered but again it's very much a piece of feedback that we can give them good thank you so much so i think coming out of this session thank you very much it's really important to have seen you know we don't often get this which is how did this you know how did initiative go it went very very well it's you know again we're going to make sure that we've got as as much publicity about it as possible until the 16th of march and get those registrations up so there's just a couple things one a decision about how that money that has come in in terms of the return on that how that's used i think that will be good to to know um the discussions about that to make sure that it's somehow reinvested i think would be our proposal from from ciac um and some about the support around financing to make sure we've got that and then the other area would be about listed buildings and conservation areas whether or not we can have some kind of discussion together with the built natural environment team and looking at other providers whether or not you sign post you know at least people if it doesn't work through the i choose a scheme so well done thanks so much for that i'm looking forward to seeing the results from this year's scheme thank you thank you members so we're on to item number seven which is the air quality update and this is an update on the progress being made on our new air quality strategy and saraya um hasemi hello saraya nice to see you who is our scientific officer on air quality thank you very much thank you very much nice to see you all and i just got to provide a quick update about our monitoring scheme at primary schools and also the upgrade of our air quality monitoring network these are all in line with our new air quality strategy which i'm very pleased to announce been adopted in february and we have two additional continuous monitors to add to our air quality network one will be located in north still and one in harston hopefully this week as we speak if all the ground works given and everything is going well this will be in they will be installed and hopefully operational soon this will facilitate to gather a baseline monitoring data for the new tan in north still at different phases are built and are in use and we can keep an close eye on air quality along eight and in harston in addition to that we have now three portable sensor monitors called zeffas that we are using for our air quality monitoring monitoring scheme at primary schools we have completed a study in camborn primary schools and i'm pleased to say that this was actually promoted on the national clean air a day in june and it was well received received by the school we held a conversation as well about air quality and the study was completed and was carried out between may and november and the results show that we are not nowhere near air quality objective objectives in terms of nitrogen dioxide or particulate matters what is interesting to see from the result is though there is a significant change between the term time and half term when traffic is quite a perhaps so this is clearly shown in the data which is very interesting to actually see we produce these reports and we put them on on our website and the three monitors are now in place in his turn north still and sway see once these studies are completed we provide another set of report to see how we're doing near those schools and we have also set up a public portal to access data from these monitors i have provided the links in in the reports that you can see once these are completed we are hopefully looking to start the friend set of studies so we welcome any suggestions if you have about any areas of concern you can get in touch via our air quality mailbox which is always someone there from the team to provide assistant information or any updates so that's from me i'm happy to answer any questions if needed thank you very much so it's really good finally finally to sort of be talking about the results of the research of the monitoring matrix that network of mobile air quality monitors outside schools and now going to be and fantastic so outside those schools and showing results and i think that camborn result would be very interesting when we did the national cleaner day we were interviewing the students outside with just an assembly and they were talking about the effects of idling cars idling and drop off points you know and wondering whether or not that will be picked up by the by the air monitor and so what's interesting is you know perhaps the camborn schools taking that back in again and it's reassuring to know that they're not crossing any thresholds but obviously there is there is some pickup of difference that you can see as you're saying between term time and holiday so i think it'd be very nice if we can follow up with the camborn primary school and feedback in that data i'd be happy to do that as well so that we can have another assembly or they can talk about you know those impacts because just that behavioural change of idling you know outside schools is is a huge thing you know that they can change as well as the traffic in in general so that's good and it's very good to hear obviously about the the three monitors and one of them in histon which i'm very pleased about which is a new school where there are perhaps some concerns about transport and traffic around there so again you know really interesting for parents and families to know what's happening there we've got northstone swavesy and you know it'd be good to start setting up and preparing other schools so if you could say when that would end and perhaps we could have looking at what the next round of schools or other places that people could be asking about where we could so the hypothesis was really around schools wasn't it but there were other areas that we wanted to look at that could be potential hot spots so it'd be good to hear from you where we're thinking about um i'm very very happy that you're doing some benchmarking so you're looking at before the build out you know somewhere like north stone that's that's really really important especially as a healthy new town huge amount of being done about that last mile so having that benchmark you know to then look at what's happening within those left swales within north stone i think will be hugely important so thank you sir i don't know if any others have got cancer poor bad park cancer jiff harvey yeah hello sir i'm a member for milton and water beach so you'll be aware of water beach new town so phase one of the new town is being developed at the moment and the location of the primary school was a topic of great debate because it's quite close to the a10 there was some modelling work that was done that suggested that actually the air pollution from the a10 wasn't going to be an issue but i think it would be really good to validate that with some measurement um so that you know if assuming it's it's as per the modelling that gives the you know parents children going to school confidence that it's not an issue and if there is an issue then there is time between now and when it's um you know when children start start at school to put in some mitigation um so yeah just a request for some monitoring at the water beach new town primary school please yes thank you very much um i'm pleased to say that we have picked up this issue during the committee planning committee for water beach and the school location so we have a condition in that requires the developers to do some air quality monitoring and i have managed to convince the developer to actually go ahead and go beyond just the diffusion tube monitoring at the school location uh and use these zephyr monitors that we are picking up the sensors which will enable us to actually get proper data about particulate matters as well which was the main concern at the planning committee so i'm hoping to get the results in we are recommending to at least have six months worth of data that way we can actually by annualisation see the likelihood of the concentrations in the future and this will hopefully answer the request that you're proposing i am also looking at water beach and milton area for further monitoring as part of new hotspots so in answer to council of halings as well so we are um gather putting a list together and we also we that's why we welcome any any suggestions for areas of concerns because uh local residents they might know something and they have a concern and i do go around um as a visit site business just to see what's happening but the idea of having these zephyr monitors which are portable they run on solar energy so we are not restricted in terms of how or where we can put them up enables us to actually expand our monitoring network and covering more and more areas rather than we could manage before so i'm hoping to actually very soon get to those points as well but the main thing to bear in mind is that we at least by having six months worth of monitoring data we can come up with a good understanding about the pollution levels so that will might cause some gap between the studies and requests but by putting this list together we're hoping to address them along good and thank you sir Ryan as you know i was very very concerned about the the siting initially of the of the water beach primary school so we did bring this up and in the end a lot of the assumptions around the methodology as you know are around our current thresholds for the pm particulate matters and whether or not at some future point we expect either those thresholds to change in line with the world health authority so and we're building for the future so if there's concern at that level at the world health authority they actually there shouldn't be a threshold that we should drive down as much as possible there isn't a safe threshold for those particulate matters you know i think in the uk we are starting to get government to realise this is more and more important to consider changing our thresholds so while we're doing big developments that are multi-year developments that depend on modelling on a certain threshold because it didn't say there isn't it just said it didn't cross the threshold so that's county you know approved that as well county council in terms of their environment and committee so all the way through the system what we need to do is make sure that we can actually plan for the better well-being i think of everybody so i think the monitoring really important just in case also there is any change with those thresholds in terms of national legislation but thank you so much for doing that and making sure that pushing for that and pushing beyond it as well sir i so thank you very much and i'm sure everybody in water beach will be very very thankful for that as well for your extra efforts there yes i was looking at the graph on page 91 of our agenda pack and it shows some of the results for the zephyr data from may to november so it's interesting that um well i suppose you could sort of see there the effect of back to school there's a bit of an uptick there but in october to november there's a kind of quite a rapid rise and i'm wondering whether that's due to not motor traffic but it particularly in an oil village central heating systems starting to work at a much higher rate and and certainly it's the case in my village that at the sort of time kids would be walking down our high street to school i'm i'm almost certain that the majority of fossil fuel based pollutants will be coming from oil burning boilers either sort of rogue ones that are not properly adjusted because boilers are outside of any regulatory framework like you know mot testing for motor vehicles we also have quite a lot of auger burners um you know um oil fired range cookers in south cambridge here um and those because they're classified as cooking appliances are completely outside of any regulation in fact if you ask auger for any data they say oh we we don't know what the thermal efficiency is we don't know what the particulate output is because um we're not obliged to know that because it's a cooking appliance um i i did occur to me that if we could find if we could work with a county council um and find a planned road closure that gave us enough run-in to get sort of pre data if you like we might then actually get some um some some scientific data on how much of this is background due to um home heating and how much is associated with um motor transport very interesting what do you say sure thank you cancer hobby that is a very interesting point and i'm uh it would make up a very very nice study i must be honest but it will be very difficult to actually be able to draw that line and say by um a phase monitoring that we can specifically say what is allocated to what especially with particulates makes it very difficult because they're they're more prone and actually subject to local and regional effects anyway but in terms of um running a study to be able to understand better about local air quality especially villages who are dependent on oil or where we have um lots of wood burning stoves in place which i understand there is a lot of them around although uh DEFRO produces a lot of guidance about safe burning and to what type of wood and how actually um do that to reduce the emissions especially for particulates um there are still so many old ones as you mentioned so that is another study we're hoping to look at to undertake undertake undertake next year when the season is actually back um so you're saying looking at a comparison between villages rather than a closed road and a non yeah okay yes you know when locally we would actually see if we can pick up um any of the changes and the effects when they are actually active so i'll welcome your comments and again any interest or suggestions about areas of concern particularly it would be welcome in very kind if you let us know thank you very much and i think that that's that's would be really especially where it was kind of making this very specific to south cambridge and this is a character of some of the villages so i think that would be hugely um interesting for many people thank you sir right um and yes thank you i do have just one more question which is a bit about the air quality strategy and in that air quality strategy when it was approved and adopted we talked about alignment with city council and i'd just like to ask a question that you bring back to committee at at a later date we know that in terms of a just transition to climate change which means fair for everybody through the licensing committee and the licensing of taxis and their transition to low emission vehicles that both ourselves and city council have sort of reached a bit of a compromise to listening to taxi drivers and giving them a bit of leeway they've come through the covid pandemic that's been really difficult we acknowledge this actually quite difficult to get the cars at the moment because of um you know the supply chain issues which is causing a backlog in terms of being able to get the cars that they want to replace the their diesel but i did want to know that we are having good alignment and so i would like if possible that you bring back one is having made those assumptions and being supportive what kinds of sort of incentives or perverse incentives have we created just to sort of see the impact of those one you know one year on into this sort of a time delay the life that we've given and two what impact has this had between south cambridge and city council in terms of achieving the objective which was those low emissions zones within city centre and whether or not there's a perverse incentive of some of the taxis coming into south cambridge to get licensed and therefore avoiding the some of the strictures in city so just making sure that we really are working for that alignment if you could just bring us back um a little report on that in a few months time that would be great pure candy thank you no worries good thank you very much thank you everybody thank you so we're now on to agenda item eight which is the green investment update and it's lovely to see you alex lovely to have you back with us and here at committee so um alex nelling day is our green energy investment manager and yes for your update thanks alex thank you thank you very much council hallings um can you hear me okay yes thank you greening south camps hall is the first one on the on the list um so obviously the kind of major bit of work was outside to do with the ground source heat pump so the ground source heat pump um the kind of final boreholes have been done for that um along with all the backfilling of the trenches um and then it moves on to the kind of solar carport and the ev charge points which are are back on top of that in the car park inside the office building we've finished um the kind of main led programme and then the associated kind of electrical works to do with the fire alarm system as well and moving on to the new building management system which will also be put in to help us control um kind of energy demand and use within the building so the project is still scheduled for completion in quarter two of this year as well um I'll move on to the next one and then obviously take any questions afterwards um so moving on to the next project so the water beach renewable energy network so that's the name that we're calling the project at our water beach depot and the project purpose is to look at integrating kind of renewable energy from solar pv and also a storage solution around around a possible battery and this is to serve the fleet of electric refuge collection vehicles um as part of the Greater Cambridge Shared Race depot so this part of this project is looking to secure funding from um the combined authority so we're working with them um to kind of look at the project um we've presented a kind of initial um initiative initial document about the project and we're waiting for some feedback on that from the combined authority so the project team itself is comprised of colleagues from Cambridge City Council and the shared race service and Southcams colleagues and we're looking to work with a firm called Bwigs um which we've procured through the uh Cambridge Shared Energy Performance framework and the next step will be to look at those detailed assessments um geotechnical testing and um kind of forming a more detailed investment grade proposal to review um and that will take you know a good few months before we would then be able to to kind of get on to sites um early early next year and then lastly on the list of projects to update you on is the LED street lighting project so the upgrade is due to be completed um really in the next week or so next couple of weeks mid-march um and then the team are moving on to planning the second phase of the project and this phase will look at the ornate lights um 88 I think to be included in that second phase and that's began with a project plan and budget secured as well and then the next step will be to look at the most appropriate contractor for those works so current timescales so these are dependent on the procurement process um but looking to have those practical works commence kind of middle of this year um to be early completed in early next year and some of the ornates at ornates lights have been identified as in poor condition and so we are looking at how we can prioritise the upgrades of those via kind of existing maintenance contracts that we've got in place as well so they're the updates for you happy to take any questions. Thank you councillor Bridget Smith hello hello Alice Alice lovely to see you back thank you um so on the on water beach um it's going to be important and like you probably know this already but it's going to be important to be able to demonstrate quite overtly that the investment from the combined authority there benefits more than just our council and I think that's already the case I think already we're um I think east cams vehicles are already using the depot aren't they and county ones as well so that's going to need to be quite explicit in order to um make sure that the investment there is is secure and it's quite quite rightly the combined authority doesn't have that much money so um you know any investments which benefit more than one council are particularly um attractive. Thank you yes um oh welcome back um Alex we've all missed you so um yes good to have you back um I just um had a few questions um the reason in my mind about the this very exciting pv array and I think um I think um uh either board a or yourself is going to come back at some point um to a future meeting and kind of give us some some more details on this um and I think that there was a little bit of um confusion earlier on that you know in in some way the pvs could um entirely power the um the waste fleet um and therefore um avoid the need for a grid connection but I think probably the grid connection will be needed in any case um particularly sort of in overcast conditions um during the winter months um and I I wondered um actually and I think I've sent you a note um earlier this morning that it might be um good to incorporate the concept of of um not only using the electricity directly for the um the electric waste collection vehicles but also the possibility of um sleeving it to for example you know some of our other other um um housing or um I mean the the economic zone we've just been talking about in north stowe so that we could um directly use the electricity rather than storing it first and then using it to charge the waste fleet and I just wondered if that had been thought about at all. Oh shall I answer both those questions now? Yes please. Yep perfect um so just going back to um some points that Bridget made I think uh yes very much aware of the need to ensure that you know funding that went into this project with not just benefit kind of us as councils but looking at other partners so I know like you say there are other public sex partners that are based locally as well and making sure that it's um you know there's an opportunity for them to use it as well so and and also exploring if there's any other opportunities to kind of um uh yeah kind of make sure that that value for money and benefit is is kind of wider as well so yes definitely taking that one on board um onto your points Councillor Harvey so um I think we're going into a really exciting time where we are kind of testing the business case and kind of all aspects of the business case around that strategic case around carbon um and also looking at the beneficiaries as well so um you know we will need to look at what our energy demands are from the vehicles as well and make sure that's properly modelled into there and matching it up with what the generation kind of modelling and profile looks like as well so um yeah I think there are options to look at how we use the energy in the most efficient way from both from finance financial perspective carbon perspective um you know and also kind of supporting partners as well locally and an economic um kind of perspective as well so yeah I think there's a lot of options that are on the table around kind of how we use that energy and who uses that energy as well so yes and I think the point that you made as well um happy to come back and give a bit more of a detail to go into a bit more detail around some of the kind of um kind of technical aspects of the proposed network or how it's how it's kind of being developed uh to give you and the committee a bit more information on that so happy to do that thank you thank you very much Alex and I was just wondering while you're doing that whole business case so as we're looking as well at the testing out I think of our you know root map so one of the councils that really does have a root map in terms of getting down to zero emissions particularly for waste the waste fleet which is you know over 60 percent of our direct emissions but also knowing that we're looking at what are the refuse funds and models you know that are the right ones for um rural the rural areas within the district which means that we may have to push back slightly you know what were our quite ambitious projections initially does are you looking at how having the green clean energy definitively that we're generating ourselves that in some way helps to meet that um in the round are we looking at that yeah and I think it's probably worth saying as well you know there's there's quite a few different projects or different kind of areas of activity and I'm making sure that I'm kind of linked into it to kind of you know the fleet replacement plans and everything that's going on there so that we can kind of you know one one part of our business case helps kind of feed into another and vice versa so yeah very much looking at that it's um you know yeah part of a bigger picture around that fleet replacement place that we're doing with city as well so yes great no it's very very good we've always said that we should be looking out sort of for further funding and so it's great to see that the council's managed to put in a successful bid for that and it's actually you know fulfilling the next steps which is great so thank you very much don't know any other questions in terms of that thank you very much Alex thank you and um Siobhan yes we're looking at gender item nine which is the forward plan on data the next meeting so anybody if we do we've got um an update on the EV charging strategy which is obviously you know great interest to to all of us and we've asked for that to be um on the agenda but also to providing guidance to parish councils on declaring climate change and what they can do on the back of that um also coming out of the full council is also in terms of biodiversity as well so we'd be including that in terms of guidance to parish councils too anybody else have any other issues that they'd like to see on the forward plan meetings no not so far there will also be the up um the regular update on the progress of the zero carbon and doubling nature action plan and I think the next meeting is provisionally set for no for for june so that could be at that meeting yes good and um what we'll also feed back on so Siobhan do you want to let everybody know that why we're going to London on um what are they going with Eleanor on this Wednesday uh yes so we have been finalised for the IESC public transformation awards in their green public service category uh so last year we put in an entry and we got a certificate of excellence this year uh we've we've gone up a notch we're in the final so uh uh good luck for Wednesday be there at the national awards and we will see um whether or not we get either gold, silver or bronze I don't think we necessarily get that but we finalist is pretty good anyway for the green transformation so one obviously that's the quality of the um the submission so well done but it's also you know commendation of all the work that everybody's been doing as well in in that transformation so it's it'll be a huge um yeah we'll be very proud to be there and think and representing all of you so these one of the lecture members myself and then as well Eleanor Eleanor in terms of staff we'll be going there together so that's great um and the date of the next meeting it's been proposed to be Tuesday 21st of June 2022 um if that's okay with everybody yep good um Aaron thank you very much Siobhan you did mention something in an email that went around this morning do you just want to mention that briefly before we um fit close this meeting but yes just to mention that um at the last grants advisory committee uh the committee looked at proposals slight changes to the zero carbon community's grant scheme we're always trying to improve it on the basis of feedback and so we have proposed some slight changes uh siac were invited along to that that meeting that's we normally do it in that way but um the grants advisory committee particularly wanted a clearer steer from siac um on those proposals and so um if there are any questions around those or if you would like us to run through what those proposals are then we're very happy to do so um it wasn't possible to put it on the formal agenda for this meeting and therefore um it isn't a formal part of this meeting uh a decision we're asking you to email or in other ways get in touch with councillor Halings and um and for her to provide a recommendation to councillor Williams on siac's behalf it would be by this Friday yeah yes yes by this Friday so if anybody does have time to just stay um on and you could just whistle through those or if anybody's got any questions about them then then everyone's invited to to do so thank you very much Aaron thank you very much Patrick thank you very much and um Siobhan Eleanor and Alex thank you very much as well or close the meeting