 Okay, sorry, all the cats decided to run in here. One second. Okay, out of here. I think the first time I went on a trip, we're going to this beautiful place. It's gonna be, nobody else is gonna be out there, especially in wintertime. And there's gonna be a whole bunch of other strangers, but weirdly, you kind of really quickly get over like the stranger aspect of it. You're all kind of, you have to trust these people and pretty quickly we got on the trail and it was like, oh, you're really rad. There's a few reasons why I'm excited to lead. I think one of them is that I want to keep exploring and keep going to new places. And I'm also excited to learn. I think that's a huge reason why you become an outings leader. I love hiking, I love doing this. What's that next step that you take?