 One of them goddamn songs I've rapped on that. Yeah, it is. Yes, it is. And talk to them on TV or on the stands. Now I got the world hanging from my nuts. Yeah, damn. Damn, it feels good to be in gang. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And I real push big part on that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Real gangsta's niggas don't run from shit because real gangsta's niggas don't run fast. Yeah. Yeah. This one's in one. All the way, bro. Damn, it feels good to be in gang. How we sound? Good. How we sound? Mic check, one, two. Mic check. We're going to run this. Quiet on the set. Now you can let that rap for a second though. Oh, this ain't in there. Joe, what we look like? Rolling all around. New liquid lying out. We got everything. Y'all ready? You ready? Oh, man, what? I'm ready. What? Okay, all right. Quiet on the set. Man. We're going to interrupt this for breaking news bulletin, Chico B. Yes. I'm going to need your help on this one. All right, go ahead. Because there's too much to say right now. The trap is being blessed by one of the forefathers, one of the Godfathers. If you ever like the song out of the south, you know exactly who we have in the trap with us today. Listen, Los, I grew up in Washington, D.C., for those who don't know, but I grew up studying this man right here. Come on now. I mean, I've seen Scarface walking up and down Georgia Avenue in D.C. by himself, and it amazed me. I'm like, where did this dude come from and learning to rap a lot of history, man? I'm talking about all the way down to... Man, it's just so much to say, you can't even say it off. The founder of Rap A Lot Rap. Yes, sir. You've heard his name in every song you ever liked pretty much. Yep. Been putting it down from Houston, Texas since day one. One of the most respected men in period, not just in hip-hop, in just business and music all around. Arthur. Yes, sir. Record label owner, boxing promoter. Yep. Business man. Yes, sir. Mogul. Yep. The legend, himself, J. Prince. J. Prince. I gotta stand back. Man, he didn't have to do it. He didn't have to do it. Yeah. This is one of them ones where there ain't even nothing I want to say. It's so much I want to hip. Man, listen. I'm talkin' about it. Aw. Yeah. It is. Aw, shit. I'm the best goddamn introduction I had all day. Aw, man, this one. Yeah. You just don't know, like, the work that you put in and how you inspired us, like, to model our business after your independence. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Knowing where to draw the line and knowing where to negotiate and not negotiate. Like, we followed you since we were kids and grew up on the ghetto boys. My dad had stomach cancer. They took out half his stomach. When he came out the operating room, the first thing he wanted to hear was ghetto boys. My mind playing tricks on them. That's the one right here. Oh, my God. Speaking of them stories, when I was young, God blessed dead. My cousin, Dirk, passed away. And I remember being a little boy and they had, you know, the Repass and the song that they played at the Repass. But now the funeral is over and all the tears have dried up. Niggas hangin' deep in the cut, keep fired up, ready to pull the pistol and the niggas shot my homie. And now for an ice on that, your life is what you owe. That infrastructure that y'all laid down. Yeah. Like, did you know the entire time that you was gonna end up being what you ended up being? Not really. Not really. I'd be telling the goddamn lie if I sit there and say I knew how I was gonna end. But we were just keeping it real and authentic and organic. You know what I mean? Along the journey. It was important to us. And one thing we always knew is real lasts forever. The lie got to keep changing. Yeah. So I know you got the book. You know what I mean? And I got the audio. We both got the audio. And the written part, but we don't have to get you the same one. Amen. I brought a bunch of books for everybody that don't have one. See, man, that's... Let's talk about it for a minute. The art and science of respect. Like, for the younger generation, what does that title mean when they hear that? Yeah, well, I decided to name that book the Art and Science of Respect because I wanted... Like, a lot of people want your glory without knowing your story. So, you know, I decided to name it the Art and Science of Respect because it was an art and a science to the things I've done. A lot of people say you're lucky. You know what I mean? And y'all know, like, I know you ain't where you are based on luck. Exactly. You feel a plan, a plan to fail. And it was all the science of respect with everything that, you know, I accomplished, you know, with structure. And the artistic part was the creative visions and dreams I had before they came into fruition. And the science was how to accomplish those things. You know what I mean? So that's why I named it that. Right. Yeah. And the book you took, one of the parts that really stood out to me was when you talked about the laws of your system. Yeah. And, you know, being as though we, a lot of us come from environments where we lose a lot of important people in our lives. Like, how was you able to, you know, not just deal with it, but let it motivate you moving forward to become what you ended up becoming because that could break a lot of us down. And it does in most cases. Yeah. With the help of my grandmother, we all have one. Yeah. You know, she was real instrumental in that situation. Of course, you know, that story I wrote in that book, my last night with my sister, she and I were sitting up late, you know what I mean? Way past bedtime talking about what we wanted to become in life and what we wanted to give my mother. And her dream was to buy my mother a vacuum cleaner. My dream was to buy my mother a house. And, you know, that night was the last night I saw her alive, that next day she got cut in half by a train. And I was left with having a bottle of vacuum cleaner in the house. I fulfill that. Man. I want to ask you this, because you pretty much saw hip hop from the beginning all the way up to right now and everything in between. What do you see it going at this moment? You know, I think, I think hip hop is evolving. You know, I'm not wanting to hate on what the youngsters are doing right now. You know what I mean? I think they are evolving and I love the movement that's taking place, you know. I think it's some things that we're dealing with right now and they're dealing with that, you know, they need to put more protection on their ass. You know what I mean? Not campaign so much because Election Day is going to come when you campaign, whether it's good or bad, you're going to reap what you sow. And you can't change Election Day, you know, right at that moment. So, you know, I tell them where I go, embrace you of OG over IG, somebody to share some wisdom with you to, you know, teach you some things on how to live. I think a lot of that gets lost in translation because y'all laid that game down over the years. Like, that may feel good to be a gangster. That may feel good to be a gangster. Real gangsta has niggas play his cards, right? Real gangsta has niggas don't run his fuckin' mouth. Real gangsta has niggas don't start fights. That's the way he's trying to high cap, tell them how they friends, how they shadow. Real gangsta has niggas don't flex nuts because real gangsta has niggas know they got it. Goddamn. Now... Goddamn. That's the type of shit you can live off of. Right, that's what I'm saying. But that's so different than what we see right now. It's the complete opposite. So, you being a legendary man that you are in this industry, what do you think that message was lost in translation? Well, you know, that message back then, and the message could be lost where our generations are concerned. You know what I mean? I'd be the first to take responsibility and I do in my community and in my hood. You know what I mean? But I think as parents, it's real important as parents that we put the real in our kids because ain't nobody gonna do it the way we gonna do it. You know what I mean? So, that has to happen. And so many people, it's like an unfortunate to even get the real poured in them. You know what I mean? Normally, somebody missing one, missing a boat missing. And then, you know, you come up with a whole different understanding on the principles and the values where life is concerned and, you know, shit gets kind of throughout. But I love them. I love that you know them Goddamn lyrics. Like, oh, what? Man, listen. Listen, I can tell you, I got an unpopular opinion. I think a lot of people have, whenever I say this, I think Willie D had the best verse on mind playing tricks on me. Just because of what he was saying on there. Make big money. Drive big cars. Everybody know me. It's like I'm a movie star. But late at night, something ain't right. I feel I'm getting tell by the same sucker's head. Like, is it the food that I ran off the block? Or is it that nigga last week that I shot? Or is it the one I beat for $5,000? He thought it had came, but it was gold and had a flower. It was probably one of them niggers, Willie. One of them. I reached under the seat and grabbed a pistol. I didn't know these them in line. I was scared of them motherfuckers. I made a left with the Popeyes and better die quick. If it's going down, get the shit over with. Here they come. Just like I figure. I got my hand on my motherfucking trigger. But what I saw make your ass start giggling. Three blind crippling crazy singers. I live out of swore. I keep my boys everywhere I go. Because I'm paranoid. It's like that, that right there. And then y'all was wrong for letting Bushwick Bill rob kids for candy, man. Y'all shouldn't do this. I was scared of Bushwick Bill, man. Every time I went trick-or-treating, I had a kitchen knife just in case. Bushwick Bill ran up on me. It was one of the best videos of all time. It was one of the best videos of all time. Oh man, for real. Like how much influence did you have on those lyrics? Because I know, we know, you know, your background and what you did and laid down in the streets of Houston prior to you becoming enlightened and going into business. So how much of that was influenced by your real life? Yeah, I think a lot of it. Even up to October the 31st, it's my birthday. Halloween. All the Halloween? Yeah. I'm the treat, not the trick. Let that be said. You dig it. Yeah. But definitely inspirational, you know. Originally that was going to be a Scarface song. And, you know, I heard it and I couldn't allow it to just be that. So we figured out how to branch it out to the whole crew and bam, the life-changing for the South. Was that like the one that really kicked it off? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the one, like, you know, East Coast was a monopolizing shit back then. You know, even in Houston, East Coast DJs, you know, they came down and just was, you know, handling us. Yeah, you had to run them out of the city. Yeah, yeah, I had to figure out a way to do that. And from now, that song, you know, state-by-state, we ain't have social media. So I traveled the state-by-state and kicked in the door. There was that song that they embraced, man. I'm playing a trick. Man, that's crazy. See, you're definitely the OG that everybody calls when shit going good and when shit going bad. And it's like, I see sometimes that they want you to embrace that role when you don't necessarily fuck with it. How you feel about when shit bad, people want you to do something about it. Yeah, well, you know, I don't embrace every invitation that's given to me. Exactly. Because, you know, I just don't have nothing to do with it. But for my loved ones, for my friends, for people who I fuck with then, you know, yeah, most of my fights is for them versus me. Yeah. So when did you establish that role in your life? You know what I mean? Because in the book, you give a lot of game about your background. But when did you become that person that people knew that they could depend on in those type of situations? When did you know you were that person? It begun in the streets. You know what I mean? It begun in the streets where, you know, you have to prove yourself. You know how that shit is. Even from walking to school, you know, you have to start really letting one know. Instead, okay, you got muscles, but I got a brain. I know how to thank you. You know what I mean? So I had to figure out being a little nigga how to stop muscle from imposing their will on me when they feel like it was appropriate. And yeah. So that just like bled over into the real world once I was able to conquer some shit. I agree. Because in Texas, niggas be big than a motherfucker. You know, the Texas is corn big. Corn big, you know what I'm saying? What kind of shit do the OG ride around listening to now? Like, I know you've always had the ear for the hot shit, but like what type of shit can keep your interest at this day and night? I've been riding on this Honeycomb crazy. Come on, Honeycomb. Yeah. Honeycomb. Honeycomb. Man, listen, man. Every time shit pop off, they get to say my name and shit. Like, Honeycomb, Honeycomb, you the only one we can blame for this. I be on the trip, but I can't. Shit come with being a nigga for real. Opposition. Know how I bang. So they be sending the nigga. I go buy a Honeycomb crazy. I get a nigga killed for shit. Huh. You know, he literally know everything. Yeah, yeah. I'm autistic a little bit with the combination. That's legal though. You know what I mean? Yeah, definitely. Definitely fuck with Honeycomb. That interview he did was crazy. Yeah. He got a very interesting story. Yeah. Is that why you is that how he came into your knowledge? My son, my son, J Prince Junior embraced him. Shut up. Let me be finding all the dope motherfuckers. Yeah. Yeah. Jazz. Jazz, Drake and then J Prince. They got a year for that shit. That's for real. They come from my nut bags. Beautiful people. That's the new name for my shit now. What's up with this nut bag? Yeah. Yeah, buddy. I had the opportunity to meet you. I think it's your oldest son, Mike. Oh, that's my cousin. Oh, Mike mentioned your cousin. Yeah. That's my cousin. Okay. Well, he told me a story about when they was young. You know, one of my favorite things is doing the job. You know, he told me a story about when they was young. You know, one of my favorite things to do when I come to Houston is ride the loop. Yeah. Just ride around, you know what I mean? And he said that you guys used to ride around. He was getting the car with you and you just ride around that loop, man. So, you know, the city of Houston is beautiful, man. I love going down there. It's one of my favorite places. I always say it's the only place I live other than where I've lived already. Yeah. So what do you think the city of Houston goes in the pantheon of hip-hop cities? Yeah. Well, this is where I'm from, man. I laid the foundation part of where the whole south stand. You know what I mean? Right there in the city of Houston. You know, that was the place the blueprint was laid where independent record lay was begun. Not the production deal, the different things that they were getting on the East Coast. You know, that shit happened right there in Houston first where I created the blueprint where Master P, Cash Money, Tony Draper, home is implemented. So, yeah, it's that special. Yeah. Now, how do you, you know, you just named all those people, man. You know, hate is something that is prevalent unfortunately in what we do. So how, you know, what advice could you give people for not being a hater? Because you had all these guys that came up that had these big old empires after you exactly. You know, you never did that. So, what kept you from being that type of person? Well, I think what kept me is understanding the power of hate. You know what I mean? Understanding that, you know, that shit is like moment mentality. You know, I always been about a movement. So, my whole objective was to inspire, you know what I mean? Other home is from every state, every city because I wanted to create a movement of truth in these dudes so we could unite. You know what I mean? My objective was always about uniting power versus, you know, looking at somebody in malice and jealousy coming out of my heart. That's cancer. That a killer nigga. You always preach about independence. You've been saying that since as long as I remember, like, how does it feel like preaching independence to the masses and only certain people picking up and hearing what you're putting down? Well, it feels good for those who have the capacity to embrace realness. You know, I understand that a fool despises wisdom. So, I don't expect, you know what I mean? The ones that hate it, then I say, oh, you're a fool. You know what I mean? So, we have to understand that fools, you know, is amongst the land of the living with us. It's just important to be able to, like, recognize them and be able to keep the shit moving. So, let me ask you a hypothetical because I got to. So, say the next J Prince might be watching this interview right now. What advice would you give him? I would give him the advice, the value is the chances and choices you get every day. You know what I mean? To value that and to to educate themselves and not practice bad habits. You know what I mean? These bad habits and the lack of education is what keep us in bondage. So, if I could do shit all over again, you know, me myself then, first thing I would do is buy that art and science of respect. You know what I mean? And goddamn, get some game because I used to hate reading and now I understand the value of reading and sucking up game. You know what I mean? And wisdom and executing it because it's one thing to make money. Wisdom will teach you how to keep it. So I want much wisdom as I can get. You know, wrap the head around wisdom. So it's like everybody give you the respect and know that you the OG. Who are some of the OGs that you got some of that art and science of respect from? People that you looked up that were maybe a head of you when you were starting out in the game? My mother and father to begin. You know what I mean? I think they were more valuable in my life than anybody. Right. You know what I mean? Because they told me the truth even when it wasn't popular and I didn't want to hear it. Because you know what I mean? I was there. So I started there from there. You know, Larry Hoover. You know, Geronimo Pratt. You know, these guys are people I had the opportunity to kick it with there. You know, shared a lot of good games with me. You put game down for years. All the intros that you spoke on and you always spoke on entities that you know, a bag can come when you put that type of yeah, when you put that type of truth out. Like, what, you know, I know the story about, you know, the situation you went through when they tried to get rid of you, but like, how do you still have the strength to say, you know what, I don't care, I'm still going to get my people what they need to know the lack of fear, the lack of, like fear is something that I think the system bank on, you know, putting in us to paralyze us. And I never embrace that shit, you know what I mean? I always felt like you know, you have to be willing to die for something. You know what I mean? Are you going to fall for anything? Certain things I was just willing to die for. When it came to like, you know, empower my people and not disown in my people. You know, you can't take that from me. I'm willing to die for that. And also I believe if the creator be for me, the world could be against me and I'm going to win. So it's that mentality that, you know, caused me to be like relentless about my stand and fearless where my stand was concerned. Yeah, it's not a lot of examples of that, you know, that actually get the move about the industry and do and say that type of stuff. I don't know if you know this, but I know, you've been around a lot of different people, but, you know, for the guys that's, you know, in our generation, that's a little bit younger than, you know, the younger guys that's out now become in the middle. But, you know, I know growing up watching all the stuff that y'all laid down. I'm a big Pepsi fan. Like that's, you know, that dude is one of the only rappers that I ever looked up to. And, being able to be around these people and knowing that your influence is what motivated them to be able to push forward. To be sitting here with you now is kind of like, amazing that we've reached the point where you'll be willing to come sit down with us, man. So, shit isn't, like, yo. You know what I mean? It's crazy. Yeah, like we hear stories all the time, like, you know, the legendary going to the Bentley Light and with Pimp, see, and picking out his first one. Like, just as hip-hop fans, can we get a, can we get a moment in that? Yeah, I mean, Pimp was, to me, like the Tupac of the South. Exactly. You know what I mean? He was a special dude, man. And, you know, I remember when he was on his way out from jail, the plans and the brainstorming, you know, that he and I would do over and over again because, you know, like a victim of, of so many of us when we allow different spirits to in our body, not, not the wine, or the, loyalty, but other shit, you know what I mean? We can like, allow different pills and different things or whatever it may be in our system, and then it got a mind of its own. So me and Pimp had an opportunity to, like, plan on preventing that certain one forever having an effect on his life ever again. And, I believe to this day that he kept his word, whatever's concerned, but, you know, Pimp was a unique individual, man. I missed the homer. And, he wasn't necessarily a sign to you. I remember a DVD that was out that I had back in the day where y'all did an interview with a slave. They were talking about how you got your car drove down and met with him and, you know what I'm saying? And just sat down in the living room with him and talked with him. So, I had so many relationships. What can you explain that where people don't necessarily have to make money off each other but still give each other a game? Talk about the importance of that. Well, that's what happened with me, Pimp and Bunby. You know, when I, when I heard him on the radio, I damn near burned my new Lexus up riding the Port Arthur because I wanted to be in business when I know what I heard. But when I got there, they were signed to Jive and different things like that. So, what I done was, y'all, y'all my neighbors, y'all the homeless, I extended an invitation if you have any problems, any situation where you need some wisdom or what not, call me. So that was the relationship that we had for years until Pimp got locked up. When Pimp got locked up, Jive Records didn't want Bunby to make a living without Pimp. And that's why I intervened and like crashed that contract. And that's how I was able to sign Pimp and Bunby the solo contract. You know what I mean? Because, you know, like they do, they'll try to put their foot on your neck if you allow it and you ain't got no fight in you. But we was able to break through that situation and bam, they became my solo artist. Man, that's crazy. Like just having the feelings, like you said, to be able to go at it with these big record executives. Like, they get that same level of respect in those rooms because we know what you are in our culture. But when you walk into them rooms with them music execs, do they look at you and give you that same level of... Well, you know, they do and they don't. If they don't, then I'ma demand it. And a lot of times with those dudes, you have to get real creative. You know what I mean? Because you know, I read this book called Thinking Grow Rich. Napoleon Hill? Yeah. One of the things that it explained to you in that book is how to use your power against powers, you know, of authority or whatnot. And when I was dealing with a lot of, you know, those executives, I had to figure out how to use my power that was in the street to balance shit. Because you have to understand like, when you're dealing with those guys, you're dealing with people who have generations of wisdom. You know what I mean? When you come to the table. So the scale have to be balanced. You have to figure out how to balance that scale if not, then, you know, you become their bait. So I figured out how to balance the scale and where they made me uncomfortable but I made them uncomfortable. And we came together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey man, it's just the smoothness of the way. It don't matter what they do. You know, they made me uncomfortable so I made them uncomfortable. Now, it'd be a perfect time to tell them, man. Hey man, welcome back to the 85 South Show. We are sitting in here with a team with one of the most respected men in the industry on Earth. On Earth. In our lifetime. For real. The real guy for the other game, Mr. J. Prince. Now, speaking of that, man, you have a reputation that precedes you, of course, but, you know what I mean? A lot of it, you know, you hear people talk and they be like, man, that's more fucking than ever. Make that nigga upset because I've seen people talk about you. They always talk about how nice of a guy you are. So, how does, what did that come from? I can't imagine. No. I'm a, I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy, but, you know, I will take a stand where the enemy is concerned. You know, I think a lot of times those conversations come from people who didn't, didn't peck right or didn't do right. By me or by friend. And, you know, I'm a thinker. You know what I mean? I don't have a bunch of muscles. I'm a little guy. So I'm a, I'm a thinker. You know, where my mind is concerned. And, I just know how to balance the scale. You know, one thing I respect is you always have the same cool come to me. We never seen you out of character. Raise your voice even. It ain't never do, it's like the, the level of respect that you get for, I mean, I can understand it because when you hear that voice, you ask the phone, oh yeah, oh shit, fuck I didn't do it. But, like, yeah, like you say, how do you keep that, the mean, being as though I, we know that you've been through real situations that, you know, I mean, can cause you to lose your temper and all that. Do you think that you grew out of that at a certain point from, you know, those things you had to deal with growing up in the Fifth Ward. Oh yeah. Yeah, I was a damn fool in my 20s, didn't care about life, you know what I mean, what, you know, feelings to the extent of, just didn't matter. So, I became wiser. You know, I'm wiser the day than I was yesterday. I see you branching out, you're getting into the liquor business now. Yeah. I see you, Lord. Okay, let's talk about it, that loyalty. Yeah, I decided to diversify my portfolio. Even more. Yeah, it's a collection which consists of the Merlot, the Cabernet, Champagne, Rosé, and I wrapped it all around a valuable name, loyalty, because what better name a toast to in any celebration what success is concerned, you know, it has to be some loyalty in the mid. It's available for, you know, mass consumption right now? Oh yeah, yeah, you can purchase it online with a big print respect and also loyalty wine respect, but I have 18 Willis traveling around the world to meet the deadline December the 21st in stores. Okay. So all these years and all the liquor that you came through the hip hop community, why now? Well, well, you know, my timing don't depend on everybody else timing, you know, it's timing a place for everything is appropriate for me to do it now. You know what I mean? Now, if I wanted to move accordingly to when it was inspired Puffy, you know what I mean? Try to get me to move on a years ago, but that was his time. Right. You know what I mean? My time and it's now and I'm okay with that. Speaking of timing, you might not even be aware this is our five year anniversary. Just like, you think we just talking just like you said, following the, you know the blueprint like you called it five years independent over 300 million views, almost 2 million subscribers and we dropping the show every Friday. So just for you to stop through here and just bless us with the game and the knowledge, you know, the presence, you know, the energy. That means something. That means that our independent grand means something. That you noticed it. You know what I mean? Like to be on your radar, like you have reached a heist that most people would never even be able to begin to think about reaching. So like I said, to be able to be on the radar of somebody who has accomplished as much as you have is beyond a blessing, man. Still inspiring me to this day because I heard so many good things about the ranch. Yeah. I'm trying to get my ranch. Yeah, I can dig it. I can dig it. I appreciate, you know, the feeling of the mutual. I appreciate y'all thinking enough of me to have me here. I didn't know that they first want to talk to y'all. Man, I'm good. You know what I'm saying? What we do? What we do? I'm straight. You know what I mean? But I know that you had the car lot too. And Lose, you know, you into the whips like a little. Yeah, of course. Of course. And I see that then something that he do. So like, what got you into that? You know what I mean? The wanting to own a car lot. Not just buying them but wanting to have one. You know, that car thing began when I was like seven or eight. My cousin had like a bunch of model cars on the dresser. And I couldn't afford more of a car. So every car that he had on the dresser, I used to like envision myself buying that car one day. So I purchased every car that I dreamed about. But what ultimately happened was a girl I was dating. Jazz mother. Her daddy was a car seller. And I'm out there hustling. So I was looking for ways to diversify. And that's one of the things that I've done was open up a car lot. That story that's in the book about the police following you through the McDonald's and all that crazy shit. That shit is so crazy to have. You them had experiences like this and then it's like, fuck it, just move on. Yeah, no, that was actually that was a DPS that stopped me for the DEA. You know, the first time I ever been stopped and told to go to another place and stop. Yeah, see that story is so crazy. Yeah, it's wild. And then at the same time they tried to throw the Viagra pill or whatever the fuck it is. No, that was a different time. That's crazy. These people right here was hitmen. This dude had eight bodies. Shoemaker. Shoemaker and Chad Scott. Shoemaker, they killed eight people. Like we are dead people. And they put him on me. You know what I mean? So when they was asking me to go in that dark spot that night then why you want me to pull in the dark? Right? If a man killed eight people and asked you to pull in the dark what would you think? Shit. Shit. Fuck them. See they ain't trippin. You should have got the ass back. Wait till your kids go trick-or-treat and say Bushwick Bill on their ass. I want them to take that candle. That's crazy that you that going through that though like, you know what I mean? Most people just go at it because in the streets you really can say you and had the government. Yeah. That's what I was going to ask you. What was that meeting? That infamous meeting about starting a new bunch of black record labels and things of that nature. Oh, the Suga and Irv got the meeting. Yeah, the infamous meeting. We was trying to create a black-owned distribution company so the homies after us would have an outlet to do things a little smoother. But, you know, as we all know the feds hit murdering, they hit death row and, you know what I mean, they attempted to take me out. So, you know, there wasn't no conspiracy of what I was concerned. That was a design on hitting us simultaneously the way they did. Man, that's crazy to be able to come through all of that. With all of that, you're a father, you know what I mean? And like you said, you know, that you're nut-bagged and produced some niggas that's winning. But as a father, you know what I mean? I always, I ain't going to say struggle, but it's like I always try to find the best ways to figure out the offset of time that my child loses by me then out here trying to create a legacy for her, you know what I mean? So how did you manage that back then? Well, let me say this for you. I got seven kids. Everybody I hugged got pregnant. Hey. You know. No more hugs. Right. We don't hug. Shake my hand. There was all women. You know, there was all women. But you know, that was important to me. That was important to balance that situation. There was a situation where I could have made more money by embracing opportunities and shit like that, but I never put any of that before that big day, that big certain big celebration that my kids would have on a certain day. So even though I couldn't make it to everything, those big occasions, you know, I'm going to be there. I'm going to let them see me. You know what I mean? I'm going to make that time over money. You know, and I think as a parent, we have to balance that out the best way we can. And I also saw you say that, you know, when it comes to your empire and the things you built, you know what I mean? And the interview you did, you said well if I can find somebody who may not carry my bloodline that it's more beneficial to continue on the legacy, then that's what I'm going to do. Like, is that something you always instilled in your children growing up? Like that shit ain't just going to be yours. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I explain that to them every inch and yard or the weight of your family. And I wouldn't dare, you know, put my legacy of what not an unqualified individual that then showed me why I'm alive. You're unqualified, but I'm going to put everything in your hand because you blood and destroy it for, you know, everybody else. I can't do that. So it's deeper than blood with me. I want to see the proof why I'm alive. You're unqualified to keep the legacy going where everybody will benefit. So that's the way I feel about that. Let me ask you this, Jackie. What's the longest break you ever took from this industry? You know, I don't necessarily have to take a break because I love what I do. You know what I mean? So I do everything with balance. I was able to create a lifestyle like all my life, man, when I was waking up in the morning I hated waking up in the morning walking to school. So my objective was to create a lifestyle where I can wake up when all the sleep is out of my head. You know what I mean? I'm just thinking this way. I don't want to wake up for nobody when I want to wake up. You don't know by the time. So I created a lifestyle to be able to live that way. So it ain't no pressure. In the beginning I will say I had to make sacrifice I stayed up two, three, four days in a row grinding to be able to live like I'm living right now. So in my 20s, 30s or whatnot, I laid the foundation I made the sacrifices to be able to live the life I live today. That's what it's all about. Saying yourself up. Saying yourself up for the future. You know what I mean? And you been at this point like what motivates you now to keep on? You did everything that you can do. I'm sure you said you've accomplished all your materialistic goals and you've instilled in your children what was necessary and they've shown that they have the ability to go out and continue the legacy. So what motivates you to keep on pushing? Family, friends, situations like this where I'm an inspiration to others I may not have never met in my life. You know what I mean? That means something to me. It means something to me where people ain't got to hold their head down where my name is concerned. Where I can uplift my people. That's the one reason I want to write that book. I didn't want to lead and cross over and not leave a blueprint or share my way my ingredients for doing things. Whether one used it, all of it is meaningful. So I get off on that. I get off on just the whole game. I'm competitive. So I like to win. It ain't even about the money no more. It's just about the game and winning. What would you tell a brother like you said earlier? He might not be in the ring just yet. Why would he need to pick up this book? What do you need to get from this? One of the things that they say comes from a nigga put it in a book. And I would say to him that it was a book that really caused me to tap into powers that I didn't even know I had. You know what I mean? I didn't even know I had these gifts. I didn't know there was gifts. I didn't even know the power prioritizing of setting goals of having structure. All the science in the world to do different things but I didn't know how to structure it. And in this book right here you know what I mean? You're able to tap into my wins my losses. Everything that happened in between and you're going to see yourself for one of them pages. And I think you're going to be inspired. Now this is the craziest shit ever right? You know Mike Tyson and Roy Jones just had the exhibition. People don't even know you was trying to put that fight together years ago. When you saw that what was your immediate reaction? You know I was happy for him. 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Yeah but Roy you know he had decided to take the fight with what's my man name Louis. No, Tarva. Oh god damn that night didn't go well. No my no that was the worst shit ever. We went pretty bad. You put that one in the book. Yeah that was that one. I remember saying that shit and then he said that got any excuses tonight Roy I thought Roy passed man that shit was fucked up. How long you been you know a fan of the boxing game. Oh man that was my first love. That's my favorite sport too. The boxing thing was I got distracted by the music game you know boxing was what I wanted and that's why I built a boxing gym a recreation center in my community because there was no gyms I can go to as a kid and I wanted that's what I wanted to do. Yeah I love boxing man Did you ever take up the sport yourself? There wasn't no gym in the hood. 40 niggas on the street. Yeah yeah plenty of that. There wasn't no gyms it was gonna whoop your ass in front of this liquor store nigga. That's crazy. Now you know like I said I'm a fan of boxing and I took on the sport as a young man and you know the contact of it is beautiful when you really get into it but who was somebody that you saw that you was gonna be a star that you didn't get to work with that you wanted to in the boxing game. Recently my man what is his name from Dallas just for God damn I'm forgetting the home in that Spence. Errol Spence you know I rode all the way down to the UK when he was fighting in the Olympics you know what I mean? I wanted to get him and by the time I made it there he had already lost and bailed out but I knew he would be special when I saw him years ago but you know I had a future star many of them right now but I don't know if y'all saw Shakua Stevenson fighting on the night but Floor may well on steroids. I was stating right there. I got another rap fan question you know Houston, Texas home of DJ Screw that's one of the part of the Houston coach Jay Prince riding right if you were listening to a screwed up song do you have a favorite DJ Screw record or a song that you'd like to hear screwed up? Yeah. Freaked up and dripped out. That's your one okay I had to ask So what was that like when that came out cause you was already established when the screwed music hit so what was that like when you heard it the first time was it like the way that you felt when you heard Drake like fuck this shit Yeah to a certain extent I was like what the fuck they doing you know what I mean this shit is on drag mode or something you know I didn't understand it I wasn't drinking certain I didn't understand what was happening but real quickly I tapped into it and started you know I joined the movement and then Houston so big man I remember the first my first time going to Houston me and Lois we had a show down there we had Fridays after the show and there was some girls and they're having a birthday party we thought it was a birthday party and we walked over they were fans and we took pictures we were like which I got going on I'm like oh yeah where you moving to she was like the north side having a going away party were you moving in the same city we ain't never gonna see her again damn and this was before I got a chance to actually come to Houston and see how big the city was you know what I mean how big it is and like you from the north side and a lot of the people that you worked with was from the south side and it's known that there was that throughout the years so how were you able to bridge that and make it work well I ain't never discriminated on on where I got money at and I had the relationships prior to the music business all over the city you know what I mean so it was it was something that was already taking place I just you know drove through the trails that I had already blazed and you know I wasn't trying to none of that you know so that's the way that came about I'm trying to get none of that yeah yeah for sure Lil Wayne and my son was on tour together and I called my son one day and I told him I'm like dude I don't want you having access to this power and coming home broke this ain't about you just being on tour trying to screw as many girls as you can screw Lil Wayne and tell him you want to do a joint venture record deal with him and hit me back and let me know what he say and he called back excited because Lil Wayne embraced the opportunity and it was then that I asked him by Drake I say well who your first artist and that's when he mentioned that name to me for the first time Drake and he played me some Drake and I tried to discourage him about Drake I'm like man you like this you about to fuck the legacy of who what I told you nigga you don't get none of this shit you fuck it up it's over for you and he stood on all ten right he said dad it's the new sound trust me on this one and then he used that word I had taught him since he was a little boy in the market of me being part of importance of a bug like he buzzing that's when I decided to jump all the way in and we brought Drake in Wayne came in and sent him on to and I say now take Drake on to which in that Lil Wayne put his arms around him on stage and uh that was the history still being made right now I mean arguably you know it's gonna go down when it's all said and done to be keep on this track and on the Mount Rushmore rap and you have a hand in that too so it's like do you feel like you know what I'm saying accomplishment more from the things that you accomplished or the things that your son accomplished it's a combination you know what I mean it's a combination it's uh it's real special to be relevant today you know what I mean and back then as well so you know we want so uh yeah man it's just been a beautiful journey what would you say is your biggest accomplishment if you had to pick your biggest accomplishment at this point right now uh personally it would be my kids my family business wise it would be the foundation that I have laid where the south is you know I'm real proud of that because you know I was there and I understood you know the things that one had to go to for this day to exist you know they weren't trying to give it to us you know that's why I say the east coast piece of bread west coast piece of bread with the meat they can't have a sandwich without it you know what I mean that's not a real chewy one hmm okay go ahead everybody got one the whole room like shit I got one I got one man ooh shit man he right there rest of the piece bushwick build you got a chance to meet bushwick man real good dude man and he knew who he was which was mind blown yeah bushwick was he was that way and psycho peaked it but uh definitely it was all strange there's nobody knew each other I shook the city inside out and tapped into these three personalities that I wanted to come together as the ghetto boys and uh I had I had a plan because I had just got rid of the other set of ghetto boys because they told me the subject matter that I wanted to speak on was uh too deep so I'm like okay y'all get y'all ass away from me and uh I was able to tap into the others and uh we you know just like re-inherited that movement that I had already started in the restless history yeah but when you say you shook the city upside down like why them why those three like what did you hear and made you know that Scarface, Willie D and bushwick was the combination cause I'm gonna tell you what I knew when they made that album cover and bushwick had his eye fucked up and he was that's the type of shit back in the day that'll make you even if you never heard of the ghetto boys you pick up that shit you want to know what the fuck was said on there and how did these niggas get in the hospital cause this is before makeup you know the fucking Michael Jackson shit wasn't this good this got to be real they was rolling them through the hospitals and they were like fuck the doctors and they go we got them and then I had to get grown and figure out damn that was real real real yeah but no I knew that because of uh what everybody brought to the table was something that was different and unique you know what I mean and uh it wasn't a situation where they were imitating you know nobody so I respected that everybody had their own thing and I just like yelling put it in the gumbo and bam turned out to be what it was but as far as that when bushwick got shot in the eye you know when he uh he say he's gonna throw that girl baby out the window you know what I mean and he had the gun and cocked it I kind of think that that gun may have went off then she didn't quite shoot him in the eye you know bushwick used to drink that ever clear yeah that's some strong shit straight? yeah straight god damn no wonder I'm glad I kept that kitchen knife let me ask you this see that's the type of calls that you get when shit like that happens so it's like do you ever just say man I ain't in the mood to deal with this bullshit right now like people calling your phone all night with shit like this you know that shit can be stressful every time you answer the phone I need you Jay man I need Jay please man please my chain man they got my chain somebody got my chain the club these niggas won't let us out man I got that chain somebody wake up please man man my bitch playing this come on uncle please I mean I hear him with my chain I got that chain I've been calling you all goddamn night man please before the sign come up don't let them know they got my chain don't let them know uncle uncle please what do you do that's a great question that's on one line then the other line man please dude don't shot yourself we got to come down that's on a whole other line yeah no it depends on if I food with you or not cause this should be so plentiful until you can't answer all them calls or you can't even respond with all of them invitations but if you're family and friend then we're going to make something happen how do you establish who family and friends are though because I know everybody want to be your friend or family especially when they know that you do what you do so how do you navigate if you can give that out what's your process of being able to look at somebody and say you worthy of my time don't just be asking me do you know I can is this a legit family matter trust is something that's earned you don't just get that away and doing time trials and error what not you're able to establish bonds with some and then there's others that's close to people that I love and that's enough you know what I mean so it can be indirectly you know what I mean you're good with family then we're going to put some shit in motion make something happen that's probably been so long somebody tried this name it's the 80's it ain't had no problems of your own like that so you dealing with everybody else's issues how do you get to a point where like what do you put on those people whenever somebody has an issue and somebody might call you with something like is it just automatic alright I handle it for you or do you say alright well what did you do yeah definitely you have to weigh out every situation I'm not the type of person that's jumping some shit being wrong I want to establish the whole turn that shit over all kinds of ways to see like with Big E and Tupac back in the day you know when I was asked to mediate that situation I couldn't do it in a stand up situation where I felt good about doing it because it was just some things I would have done differently prior to it getting to that point yeah or even after it even happened after you shot there was a lot of missing so if it's shit like that then I'm wise enough I can't be no crass done and you've been around and been established as a respected person since through all of the eras of hip hop like since the 80's and 90's and you've seen the 2000's the transitions and all of these beefs and things that have gone on so like now with the youngings and the youngsters with this internet which has changed the entire game motherfuckers is just putting the phone up yeah bitch look at the gun right here I'm gonna shoot the shit out of you do you even feel the need to even get involved in this type of stuff now because you know the internet has changed what respect at least in my perspective it's changed the level of respect because people aren't as influenced influenced by what you may have laid down they're more influenced about what people want to say in the comments on that Instagram yeah now it's definitely a different day now that's the reason a whole lot of them dying because of that internet you know what I mean the information where power is concerned right now is this would have happened back in the day if it was like that if everybody knew where this person was that they wanted to hit or get at by punching a button it would have been a bloody mess even back then I think it would have been worse back then I agree now you just gotta be surrounded by some people who do the things that you say back then I feel like you know just growing up in the environment I grew up in you wasn't just able to save and walk around we don't see about that so now it's like you can put insurance on yourself with the internet so it's like do you feel like it's something like if somebody make a call and say hey man my chain my chain and then they got it all on the web they talking like yeah I'm going to do this then third but in the background they calling you to fix it do you feel like even if they family or friends you're still intervening in that or is that one of the situations where you're saying I'm straight well it depends you know what I mean it depends you know the one is campaigning for the laws and different things then y'all handle that with the law but if there's some things that's under the radar that be done without jeopardizing myself or family then that's cool so it's going to be done with wisdom but being from where you from DC you're absolutely right DC man every one of my hottest markets oh I know I know we love to get old boys like I said I seen Scarface I worked at a barbershop I started working when I was nine years old as a brush boy Bluebirds barbershop in Georgia Avenue Scarface walking up and down the avenue by himself in the 90s I'm talking about like 98 you know what I'm saying it blew my mind because he was a regular dude people was coming up to him getting him to sign autographs and he ain't had no security he was just out there so it's like the people really love y'all because the things that y'all were saying was really what was going on in 99s that's why it's a whole gym to get shit like that it's a respect you're going to keep going with the book series expand the empire what's the follow up some of the realest niggas I ever met on the planet was from DC you know what I mean I met him thank you I appreciate it you know what I'm saying but like if you know what I mean with the auto size of respect like he was just saying do you feel like it's more game that you can give out it's got to be like that's the best way to do it these days so you feel like it could be presented in a way where you forget it a little bit you got the audio book too you don't want to read and you're a hard-earned nigga just listen shit you can't you're fucking up if you don't want to read or listen then you don't want others too and there ain't no speed read either it's very relaxing relaxing but I mean the attention span now is 15, 60 seconds that's the attention span if it ain't in 15 to 60 second intervals it's hard to keep some young person's attention you know I got a 12 year old daughter and she just you know I mean look at this, look at this, look at this and I'm like okay let me figure out the last thing I looked at before you move on to the next thing so just the way the information is consumed now do you think that or would you even care to change the approach and give the information out communicating all the time but I think something like book, audio that's going to be there forever for those who can embrace that like I say everybody elevator only go up to a certain level then you have to figure out how to communicate with them now with me it may be hard for me to like communicate with a man his elevator stop on the second floor you know what I mean because my shit go all the way to the top you know what I mean so somebody else may have to talk to him I heard you say something earlier that I want to backtrack I don't know if I caught this but you were talking about the spiritual gifts and the natural ability could you speak on that because a lot of people going to hear that and they going to want to know more about that a lot of like trusting your intuition and believing in yourself well I knew that you know 7, 8 years old some special shit was going on with me that had to come from up above because I was able to my mind was on a different page compared to age group I was surrounding myself with you know what I mean I was gifted in a lot of areas and once I matured I understood that you know what my spirit you know that intuition that discernment that exist in me I started like tapping into that and making business decisions personal decisions based on that discernment and intuition so I tapped into what the real power was what I was concerned so I nourished that relationship you know what I mean with my discernment intuition you know my spirit led situation versus making decisions on man made shit you know what I mean that made all the difference in the world where my success was concerned to be able to tap into that power that was greater than all the education you can ever get if something happen to make you do that because that can be scary you know what I mean one of the things that happen is your brain going to talk inside your brain more consistently than anything and you like so how do you get over the fear of man I can't just being afraid of your own energy yeah it's a process of your relationship with the creator you know what I mean you know the stronger that 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visit my uncle with my grandmother you know just looking at land that's in the book you know the only time I had opportunity to get out of the hood was to ride to the penitentiary I'm in a backseat dreaming about land and you know who would have known that I would bring tuition that's what I see you also have an island as well a couple islands excuse me a couple islands I don't mean to get all in your business and shit but what they sell islands is it like if you like said you came up on the paper like what the fuck you buy an island you know what I researched I went and looked at islands in Nicaragua, Costa Rica the Bahamas Belize I researched all of them places man landing on water in the airplanes and shit you know looking at them islands for like a year or so before I made a decision yeah yeah man what made you want to do that I'm sure you weren't riding on no planes and shit to the penitentiary no what made you want to get an island the power of tranquility like I'm attracted like all my spots you know I tapped into the power of having isolated spots you know what I mean that tranquility that peace and that energy you get from those spots would benefit you in your business your everyday business decisions and shit like that so you know I love that privacy and being able to walk around naked on my land if I want to that's what the hell J Prince guy going on you hit me low walking around naked on the land it's yours Kyle's probably like let it snicker there you go I want to ask you this people coming to you for everything and they ask you for advice about everything who the hell you get advice from who you listen to not saying like in that type of aspect but I'm saying you know hell shit get overwhelming sometime and you gotta unload and talk to somebody and get some game back giving out so much you know I have a few friends you know that I like I respect everybody mind and I understand that I can learn something from everybody so you know I bounce things off of friends you know my old man me and him used to really be Tahit no longer here you know my mother and my father don't so yeah I definitely do that me and Hoover have an opportunity to speak a lot of times how's it holding up solid you know what I mean one of the solid individuals I ever met and uh we're going to be bringing him home soon that's good to hear that's good to hear right there that's necessary that's only you could yeah how did that how did you make that connection you know I mean that prior to him falling victim to the system or you know I mean did you make it after no it was after the fact you know Chicago is the first city to embrace the ghetto boys embrace rap a lot and when I start traveling out there you know I told T.I. early I say he subpoenaed me to come and meet with him you know in a penitentiary so I went and met with the man Hoover in a penitentiary and we had an opportunity to like chop it up and we realized that we was too like-minded individuals and you know that's when I decided to do that info on the ghetto boys I said we can't keep this to ourselves you know I mean a lot of men have a platform where the voice could be heard and in the midst of fears and everybody threatening me not to do that you know I mean all kinds of shit kicked off around that situation we got it done now is that how you found doing that being as though you had that relationship in Chicago part of it but I had always had like street team members in every city around the world you know what I mean I had a street team crew that let me know everything that started to buzz and when that happened I went and got do or die Barry Wise the owner of Gile Records I got do or die a day before he flew to Chicago with a briefcase full so while they in my office we getting ready to sign Barry Wise called them on the phone I thought they were bullshitting you know what I mean like one of them say I think it's Barry Wise on the other night he say he got 100,000 cash but it wasn't 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DoorDash and take back time in your day we use it we want you to use it that's why we giving you the promo code for the people who don't know what a promo code is it's kind of like a coupon before the internet so if you go in there and they say enter the promo code always enter 85 South so you can get the best deal possible with Door to Door delivery in all 50 states Puerto Rico Canada and Australia you can order from your local go to or choose from your favorite national restaurants like Chipotle Wendy's Chick-fil-A and the Cheesecake Factory get the app go to the app store and get the app you don't have it yet go commercial I don't know if a lot of people know that DoorDash even if y'all know who DoorDash is if you don't do the research was that the first non-sudden app that you signed I don't think so I don't think so but it definitely was the first Midwest artist that I signed yeah west coast yeah that was west coast rolling 60 home C.J. Mack yeah definitely C.J. Mack I know about C.J. Mack dude I care Mack videos to the interview with a man yeah that's what it is that's one of my favorite groups the Midwest music influenced me heavily growing up too did you have a say in the content that they was putting out of you was just like you know what y'all do y'all thing I'm gonna give y'all the freedom to do what you do yeah y'all just roll with the flow you know what I mean at the time Twister and all of them were doing they thing together so I roll with the flow let me ask you this what do you feel like it's missing from the music game on the outside on the black side we got so many outsiders you know being the influence what do you feel like needs to happen for that wave to come back the whole creative control like it was I think it would be a beautiful sight to see a lot of these guys unite their power and you know bag up from you know a lot of this foolishness that don't mean nothing you know I would like to see structure in the game to the extent where they would unite that power a little more than I'm witnessing right now because it's almost like they becoming prey you know the rap game right now is a dangerous business vicious cycle and the only way they have to put more protection on their ass you know what I mean just value their whole movement more because it's a lot of weaknesses that you know people going to take advantage of you have to understand that you know when you leave your house your objective should be to make it home safe and in order to do that you have to put different things in place where that happen every day yeah some Scarface said we're in this shit so we stay true and since we banged and we do what OGC do yeah what do you think or could you give advice to youngers about the importance of listening to your OG I mean not just somebody who is saying they're OG because they're older than you or somebody that is trying to put a gun in your hand but somebody who's really trying to help where how do they decipher who to be respected who is to be respected and who is to be neglected you know you decipher that by by truth if you recognize what truth is you know I mean it ain't about listening to somebody with more money over somebody with less money it's about listening to truth, listening to realness and it's a thing that's called a track record that one can tap into to see you know I mean how this OG have lived or what it is you know I mean what happened with him you know I mean that would be one of the first things that I would want to do is you know check that track record out but it's so powerful to be able to embrace wisdom and to learn from somebody else's mistakes versus you know you having a trial and error you know have to stick your hand in fire to get burn to bleed that is hot so that would be my advice to them man tap into some wisdom because you know when you live a certain length of time you learn some shit and that's what I'm saying man we could never replace or repay you for the time that you have spent here today we could literally sit here and ask you this shit all day man and it's just know that you're one of the people that we've always looked up to and modeled our business after and we wanted to get the chance to give you the flowers while we still could you know what I'm saying sitting here with you and just being able to ask you these questions you know from listening to all these rapper lot hits because that's what we do just paying respect to the OJ's we really do love old school music and then it's like you to be here right here it's just unreal you give what I'm saying so cause you grew up watching and listening to this voice you know what I mean and at a certain point this voice was just a voice and it was you know so light years away from your reality and then you know for us to get to a point where our reality has been able to smash into that voice and have it sitting right next to us and talking to us is something that for anybody watching this man it's possible because I know growing up where I grew up and listening to all this stuff that y'all put down I would be lying like you say I would be lying if I said oh yeah one day I'm going but to get to a point where it happens it's just the greatest feeling in the world man and then it's like just being in our own industry with the entertainment and the comedy and then this media we turn down a lot of shit just to stay independent you know what I mean and it's like it's stamping us and you showed us the value of being independent and what longevity does when you are independent so thank you for that just for that lesson if nothing else that's what we learn just by following your blue being able to know that what's yours is yours and with everything else don't matter you only need to get yours and say that you let your yes mean yes and your no mean no and everything that's for you will be for you and anything else you don't need to worry about all the people who watch this show and they ask us who we respect and who we get game from is one of those right here right here if there's anything you want to stay in closing get us out of here with promo give me one let me hold one I take the wine man give me this one I take the wine lord and then it got a crown and everything let's celebrate that word let's celebrate that with a toast of loyalty you know in the coming holidays and for a lifetime let's make it a lifestyle you know what I mean when we celebrate loyalty with everything we do because that's what it takes to be successful we have to connect ourselves with some loyalty we get the first we get the ass what rap a lot of records got coming for 2021 for example we were cooking up on Brazy that's what it is Brazy with the family we're going to make some things happen with Brazy get him out of the street man please get him out of the street all the man I know that took 10 bullets and still alive that man was in jail with his own daddy he was like man yeah I shot my cousin he was like like on accident no like on purpose that couldn't have been his first cousin like his third cousin you do too much shit with your first cousin you couldn't just fight that nigga god damn but yeah man I'm definitely a fan of Slim Music we got to get the movie to when the movie coming now oh man you know I was I just heard that Denzel Washington son wanted to play me so I was excited to hear that so we're going to be moving forward on that song I'm like yeah put Tim P C in it I want to play him I auditioned I got it trust me that's what it is but yeah man thank you man this is yeah yeah making sure yo I got some books too so well look that's exactly what I was about to get I do have a copy of the book and I have the audio book I want I need to I got to have a signed copy of the book and if you ever need anything from the 85 south show you'll never have to say it two times I bet you that no courtesy call necessary Lord you see 85 south show Legendary episode J Prince Rappel Light Records all of that I'm Carlos Miller I'm Chico Bean and you know Prince Marv Tide let's get it yeah