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No, I heard 9th war But not Florida project The night war is made up of different parts The Florida, the Desire Cross the Canal is the lower night war And all the other parts they consider as the upper night war The Florida project, the Desire project The Night War has two projects The Florida and the Desire They right cross the tracks with each other So how is it Impoverished Definitely the ghetto Really the ghetto in real life Is it rappers from The Night War Right now Right now they got Y.D. the Illus He's out of the Florida project He's smoking in the city right now Back then We really had nothing from downtown But what Made it fresh in Gregory D You just said something huge Man I seen the bus when Mack was on there And they put that damn video together That's huge You can't just man it fresh We got one more One more they always tuck him under Big Mike Whoa I'm looking for this dude Bro this dude You can't over there He smashed The album came out And when it came out Some serious No some serious When I was in the park man You didn't skip a song People don't like to talk about that You can listen to all of that whole album I'm just a player player And that thing was smoking Shout out to J.E. we rap a lot You know what I'm saying All that stuff was hard That was one of his greatest They called the streets Man his little brother was real cool They stayed on the other side of the project They got two sides of the project White side black side We stood in between on Elba And they stood on Elba too But they still called the streets from us Man his little brother used to hang out together I don't really know Mike like that Because he wanted to move in the outskirts of Texas But you know I know him for saying That was hard just the fact that He come from there and man it fresh It's still close by It's downtown Wow man And like I said it's just a history Of the New Orleans sound And just the jazz and all of it They come with New Orleans man That whole situation when I went down there I'm five miles from Louisiana as I always tell people I'm on the Texas side But every time I came into Louisiana Man just the feel of the people And the culture it's just Even from Shreveport on down Way down in the Monroe It's a different feel when you start going into Louisiana Man I'm telling you Alexandria you know What's it called It's a Lofton It's a couple of places down in Lafayette It's a couple of It's a dude came on here the other day Marcellus the singer He from down in Louisiana and Rustin So it's just a bunch down You gotta unpack that whole thing Bruh and then when you start hitting BR Baton Rouge and then hitting New Orleans You deep down in there All that flavor You can't cook though You can't cook You know I call people out on this show You're not so proud You're not so proud man Can you dabble a little I can do it in the light when you sub No man so just when you What did they end up Bump your head like oh man It's just you know man Coming up like I came up man Seeing a lot of different things bruh You know what I know now that I didn't know them man We was We were kind of experiencing a whole bunch of Like Mental stress And At a young age seeing Dolphins Out in the hallway seeing people get killed You know seeing people get shot Dressed those issues So we hold them you know They won't know about the work or whatever like that You know where your school work at Make your grades right But nobody mess with the trauma That you know they come with that You know and just All this different trauma Building up bruh I was always small in school You know I never got kept back in the grade I was like in advance in school But what happened when I left school People doing all these different things So of course you gonna gravitate towards the wrong things You know growing up where I grew up at What was the thing that Pulled you into the fact of how You end up going to prison Man like I said Just seeing what I saw And coming from the family that I come from You know my family you know They dealt the drugs and different things Like that just like everybody else And we were misguided bruh We you know With all the wrong things as a relation Of materialistic things People saying your name different things Like that excited us you know And I saw it happening with other guys So you know being a young guy easily Influenced I saw it I wanted it too Big buff let me say this man I always had a problem with this man You know we always that old lady That seen us doing bad you know She'll say he ain't nothing but a drug dealer He ain't this or the Community will look at you bad But it wasn't nothing compared to The way the court system was going to treat you And it wasn't even right Because they was pushing these charges And these certain Crimes In our ways so we would stumble You understand that So this was not they don't they make Prisons for a reason and it ain't for Their own kind and you got to understand That so when you start seeing a lot of this Stuff happening you got to really Take a real look a panoramic look At what really going down And you'll see that this stuff Is pretty much being directed In a way to where it can stumble Or have you to hit the wall So and when you hit it it don't even have to be hard They're going to make it harder than what it was You know that See what I'm saying so I always had a problem With that because I know that our people Will mislead by the news When they look at TV black people Or look at that in a certain way But they were strong on during that time too They'll watch on TV so in their mind The perception they see when they see New Orleans Or all that when you see the levy break All that stuff it put us in a certain It gave us a certain look That made us feel like You know what I'm saying It gave us a certain look that wasn't right man Right the system was set up the whole less back That's it you know when you were young and unconscious We don't know so that's why I stopped it Because I know already you were going in on the fact But then I'm looking at the layers of how things Were laid out too I want them to see the real I just was giving you like the basic steps You know when I was young and unconscious I didn't know but in prison I went to reading I started reading I started listening I started paying attention to a lot of things But let's go back I don't want you going to prison yet I want to talk about you basically Even to get locked up What did they get you for I was charged with second-degree murder Second-degree murder They had me wrong Okay so at the end of the day Was it someone they just picked you And said you was the one Or was it something where you was in a vicinity Or did they charge you with the wrong charge Yes I was basically overcharged It was a manslaughter Because everything that happened was like in the heat of the moment But they charged you with the murder That's what they used to do then overcharge you I had been to the Paris like Three different times for different Same kind of charges three different times You know and it wasn't by coincidence It just was set up like that Matter of fact After the second time that I got arrested The homicide detective told me Like you'll be back we ain't going to take your picture now You'll be back Me not really knowing what's going on I'm really like what are you talking about Not really understanding what he actually saying to me Not understanding that So I'm like man go ahead Now you got me bad now And guess what I had came right back That's bad but we don't know we young and unconscious We playing a game that we don't even understand the rules to What? My question was if this is a cycle That's been going on for generations Right? And as a kid you seen all the people Who came out in black man you need to quit Are you going to be in there just like me Right? Why do we keep falling back into that same cycle Because as a kid You're easily incorrigible People may tell you Look don't do this don't do that But what you're seeing is more prevalent Than what people telling you Right? Because alright They say that You don't start to mature until you're 25 Year old I believe that Because you're incorrigible when you were a kid Like people telling you one thing But what you're seeing everyday Who getting all the girls who getting all the money Who getting all the things I hear what you saying But everything I'm seeing right here Is telling me something different You see people dying you see people in prison You see all the rest that come with it Right? But at a young age You ain't even be able to comprehend it As you are when you get to being a though So when your mom mature You start being responsible You don't know many people That started that just jumped off the porch Right? Okay you do 27 and a half By how much time did they give you actually I was sentenced to life I was sentenced to die in prison How do you end up out? Oh man Man I went to prison And man I can say breath God bless me Because I learned some things for real I started the law for real Right? So then I went to kind of like understand What's going on So I went to like helping other people Who were similar situated So I used to always feel like I went to this legal thing because I felt like Look y'all took advantage of me When I knew what's going on But now I know what's going on So every day in prison that's how I lived I lived to help people I lived to make people situation better Because I was talking to the young people That was coming to the prison And I knew they didn't even understand The situation that they fell in So I was there to kind of be like Let me try to give you some game Let me show you just how wicked this stuff is And they had other brothers kind of like Blessing them with different kind of literature and stuff like that What I was doing was blessing them with the legal aspect I'm showing them look This how I go for real These things that you need to know as a relation to your situation How you wind up in the situation How you can possibly get out of the situation What was the worst case that you've seen Let me get to you What was the worst case that you've seen That you helped a person that came into prison That was confined And you've seen that it wasn't done right Man, it was a lot of them I want to hear the worst one One of the ones that stick out to you Oh, alright, yeah, definitely Alright, I was I was at a trustee camp Okay And they had a guy that I know I would call him C He had been down Like 30 years at the time And he kept saying man I want you to look at my case I want you to look at my case I want you to look at my case I'm like man you've been in prison all this time You just want somebody to look at your case He said I don't got all kind of people to look at my case But man they said they can't help me So he go get his case He was on a murder charge Matter of fact he didn't even did the murder He didn't did the murder come to find out But at the time he just really like Man, I'm just trying to see what's going on So When I read his transcripts I wrote up bro I see that they started your trial And then in the middle of your child They changed the charge to something else He's like yeah they did that I'm like they can't do that I'm like because The reason that they give you an indictment Is to put you on top of a charge that They're going to charge you Before you can prepare defense You can't change lanes Once the trial starts The trial starts with Valdar They get the jury They did it in Valdar And I'm like man You ain't pulled the B here Right now because of this issue right here And he's like man Nobody ever told me this in 30 years I see that mean Whoever you let look at your situation They kind of like ain't knew what was going on Bro everybody who profess to know Don't mean they know for real And you know in a lot of people just Didn't turn to research Or whatever like that So I was able to help the brother out man And he was able to get out of the prison Wow because of that From the time you talked to him to the time he got out How long was it? Probably was about six months Six months you got him out? That's quick God blessed him I always say God blessed the brothers He just used me to bless them So in that case did he have to use his lawyer You know you brought information to him Did he have to go to his lawyer No he had to go to court By himself and the same Yes yes yes They called it a pro se red You can do it yourself It's like what we call in Louisiana It's like a post-conviction Post-conviction relief In a post-conviction You proceed You can actually get a lawyer but you're not afforded a lawyer You're not guaranteed a lawyer But if you can afford one you can get one Most people can't In six months you get this guy Do you remember During this time he was probably like 50 Something like that Okay How long ago was that Man it was like in 2010 Okay I wonder if you're still alive Do you keep contact with these people No no no Now that I'm home now I run across a whole lot of guys that I was blessed to help And every time they see me Whoever they were they'd be like this is the dude right here This is the one that helped me Or whatever like that In prison I never knew How much it really meant Until I came home Not only did I help the guy I affected families You know I brought families back together You know I see it now Because I'm doing the same work now For the public defender's office And I get a chance to really actually see it I get a chance to see families reunite In prison I just took it for granted It was just like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing How many people can you think of I know you probably don't know the exact number But while you were in prison How many people did you help It's impossible I'm gonna answer that I'm one of them I can't Like under a hundred Over a hundred And how many years were you doing this for I started I was in me council for like 17 years But I started Working on my own case Prior to being in me council So basically when I got off the bus And they showed me how to use the law library That's what I learned All of us was in prison around the same time So when they'll probably be Going this way I'll be going this way And I'll be like look y'all come on And at first I used to get mad Because they didn't want to come But then I said you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna learn it to be able to help But they didn't come no more Now I'm gonna get it and I'm gonna try to bring them A real and some kind of way I just won't help How long was it Did he end up helping you as well Man he been helping me from day one That's before the law even came Before he even studied the law Because he's out the area with my chores So he's just trying to make me understand What the law was about from the little piece he knew But when we got to the prison While I was being young He was one of the only young guys That had it in him To attack law Only I'm talking about I mean I go on for days All of us that went up to the prison In our generation And it was only a few of them That was young that was able to Go into law library every day And dedicate themselves to that Me I didn't have it there In my head to even challenge that Because of my situation now My whole thing was like man They got me They didn't set you they got you I'm coming but not Just running keep running to the books It's too nice So my dad he really had me jammed there So he would try to pull me all the time All the time man you need to get down here Get down here My thing was pay for attorney Every attorney I had I had paid for attorneys from 94 All the way until I'm two different lawyers I had a pay for attorney Now one of them got me out of jail Now one of them found anything To help me get back into the courthouse I got an attorney From New York I didn't pay him one American dollar I didn't pay him nothing Man freed me within like 18 months Wow Exhilarated me not freed me Exhilarated me I ain't paid him a dollar I had an attorney Exhilarated me I ain't paid him a dollar I had paid him a dollar I'm going to put myself out Out of the land And said that this woman Will literally rob you Blind out your money And what I'm saying is Her name is Julia Tizzer I'm not defaming her Because I can show you Stats Of every case she took in And go to prison at the same time seven, eight cases at one time. And it's impossible for you to juggle that many cases. At one time. Is there a rule to say that you can't do that though? She's hustling. She's been hustling from the beginning of the time, but they understand this in the city. This is why we doing the podcast. So this brother can deliver the narrative of law to them, literally. Not in a form of school where they would run from it but he gonna give it to them where they gonna understand it. There has to be a gift in that in itself. Yes, yes, yes. And he ain't charging them a penny for it. That's the thing. He never did charge a penny. Wow. So this podcast, we bought the start, it's not about money. Educating. Yeah, it real tough. So he gonna teach you what you need to know before you go into the courthouse. He cannot be your attorney if you have attorney on because of his job. He's actually employed by the public defender's office. So he can't speak to someone that's already represented by an attorney. What is your, what is the name of the podcast? Streets to the Pen. Streets to the Pen. Streets to the Pen podcast. And it's gonna be, you, y'all three? This month, you will see nothing but DOC guys being interviewed on that podcast randomly. We not doing people outside. It's only dealing with formerly incarcerated and incarcerated guy. Period. I'm not trying to get caught into the internet world outside that. Now people outside can tap in, ask questions, find out things of that nature. But what we doing is all about the prison for us to inside and how the facility is being ran. I'm gonna personally try to shed that golden eye because of the violence that's going on inside the prison. Candy land. They have a talk, a saying that been stated in prison that goes along like with the sands of Las Vegas and things of that nature. What goes on in here, stays in here. I'm about to flip that narrative. I'll bust that shit down by myself because the things that's going on in there enough will keep that to yourself. Wow. Let me ask you a question, man. Like when you first seen his case, what did you think? Before I even seen this case, when he came into Paris jail by me, by me being from the area where the charge happened, I basically was like, man, nowhere in the world, you could have done that. He knew it was impossible. You already knew. Yeah, yeah, it was like impossible. Why? I picture me meeting him after two weeks and sitting 28 years with him knowing that. I can't tell you how it actually happened. He can tell you more about that. He have told us about that. When you've seen him, you say, hey, no way, why would you say, hey, no way, he does. Because I know the distance. I know the distance from where it happened at to where he got arrested at. And I knew it was impossible for you to get from here to there. That's like all of us from downtown. And all of us know downtown. We know how to, you know, how these things, how we can get from here to here. Cause we didn't, Short run. Been in these places so many different times. And I, in the shortest route, my man couldn't get you from here to there in the time that they were saying. I was like, how did it go? How did that thing go? But wouldn't it be in court? They would have to prove that in order to... No. Not if you got a sorry lawyer, not really know, all right. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer, right? But I can tell you this. Most cases they have in Louisiana, they have direct evidence. They have circumstances evidence. So it's more like, all right, I'm gonna throw it out there and see what happens. Most of the guys that we were in jail with, they were arrested for first degree murder, right? We knew it was a first degree murders, but it was more like, all right, we're gonna arrest you for first degree murder. We might take you to trial for first degree murder, but if you get found guilty on second degree murder, I did what I was trying to do. You gotta eat the way it goes. Wow. What happened to the other guys that was with you? Oh, well, both of them, they're right now, they're poly-ticking hard. Both of my co-difference, Leroy Nelson, Ernest Luke, AKA Sydney Hill, which is one of them, they're poly-ticking rather heavy. For us, case is concerned, we still dealing with civil issues. So they ain't a city at all time, brother, basically selling merch, selling, you know, things dealing with our case and steady pushing it, but just trying to promote what was. Wow. It's crazy, man. Well, so, you know, I really, really look at, you know, you guys, man, and I think, man, that's a lot of time for you to do 28 and a half, 27 and a half, and we're about to talk to you, Chuggy, we gotta talk to you. And for you, big buff to do 27 and a half years, and then to be sitting here, you know, cause a lot of people died during that process. And I know y'all seen that happen as well. Some people that you knew was innocent that died before, you know, they could even get out. Right, right. And I think that's more where that's your name, going down to say that you're guilty when you're really not. Right. And a family being look upon a certain way because of that. Right, right. You know what I mean? So after a person died, there's no way you can clear his name? Nobody, everybody forgets a body. They forget. Yeah, nobody, you know, he not pushing his narrative no more. Nobody's really pushing a narrative no more. He dead. But legally, can you actually clear a person's name after their death? I think you could. Yeah. I think you could. Let me ask you this. How, and we don't, we're not going to go into much detail, but when you start talking about people that's dead, do you think it's right? Cause we've heard of a couple of people that are getting out because they're blaming people that have died for the crime, you know, basically the crime that they was together on when it happened or around a vicinity together, even if it did or didn't happen that way, so that they can be released. Is this something that you agree with or is it something that you totally would not agree with? I don't know. I'll pass on out with that, bro. He passed on out. Is that what I was talking about? I'm going to ask you that one more time and to show you that I meant what I said, I'm going to say the same thing. Man, I understand. I understand. I can't sit you in front of guys that do that shit. See, I don't understand, but what I will tell you is this year, when I think about the whole thing and I think about the people family and what could transpire after that? If I throw the charge on him, if I throw the gun, if he throw the charge on me and I'm dead, you're through my family out there cause somebody might want to retaliate on my family for they lost, you see what I'm saying? I get it. They might want to kill my daughter. I kill his brother. Now I'm dead and he smashed my, and just run through my family when you throw that charge on a guy I said, but that's who did it. Now he dead, cool. All right. And now you got to see his family pass in front of you all day. So you didn't throw them under the gun. I like it. I like the answer that you give cause that's serious. Yeah, that's serious. It's serious. It's been kids and everything. It's serious. And I ask y'all this because, and I'm going to get to you cause you was just locked up and see murder. But I want to really understand how I hear rumors that see murder has an opportunity to say that soldier slim was the one that did the murder or that that killed the guy, the kid, and he could be released. I keep hearing this. That fact. But like I said, I keep hearing this and it's circulating in the streets. Everybody, I hear it all the time. And but some people saying, I know he didn't do it. He's a different type of guy. I mean, and why would he, I mean, he know that man mama. I'm telling you, he's close to the family. So why would I just live there, you know, and just disrespect that after all that mama went through? You know, I'm just sit you and say, yeah. Well, slim killed. And you know what I'm saying? That, that. But if he said it, they saying he could be released just for saying that. I mean, you see where he said that. He didn't build like that. So that lets you know how he comes. He still said like, that should have been in the air forever. So that just speaks on a level of what type of guy that is, and that's not the discredit or you are the guys that decide to do what you do. But I respect that guy for making. For making this right, making that decision. And when you think about it, only I'm saying asking about it because like I said here lately, it's been something that I've been hearing a lot. I don't know why. Maybe you said it's already with something that was already circulating in there. Why have I just started hearing it more and more lately? Because I mean, the people actually see and people don't try to kill that guy. They're actually trying to stretch him out. Yeah, how many people do you need to tell you that that man didn't commit that crime? For you to just hang on to little threads of somebody that's saying some shit and then they recan it? This shit is so sick. They got a female ish. I'm sorry for putting y'all in their mind, but I gotta mess with this. You know what I do, streets to the pan. She was actually intertwined with his case, with Seymour in the case. This female right now, I have shit on the phone. She professing to have a kid from me before I went to jail. She was supposed to be one of the witnesses against Seymour. The shit turned, it flipped me out because I'm knowing I was dealing with her on the street. Even though me and homie didn't really rock in jail. Him and my co-defendant is real tight. I mean, homie just know we holler and keep moving. But when I found out that she had something to do with the charge and the college, it was trying to make her say the dude did the shit. These people literally, she had a few checks, a few checks, she bust a few bad checks or whatever she was into. There was kind of a scare on her. Yeah, she was in the spot that night in the club when it took place and shit. I mean, shit. She literally told them to do it and then they told her, yes, yes, yes. You're gonna say they had jammed up and they was gonna take care of a little issue or whatever she had for her to testify against dude. When I found out that she didn't testify, kind of, I never brought it to his attention. Hey, but I know, you know, because me and her wasn't on good terms for me to even tell him that like I could get something out of him. I did want to get in contact with her. And from her, you know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. I do that and do that shit. And they was trying to make everybody say all of them was in a little room, they jammed them in, you know, a few strippers, a few of them brawls and they were dancing, they closed them in, they didn't want to let them out. They brought them all in and they went to interrogate them and tell them, yeah, try to make them say that dude name. That's real shit. And it sounds crazy, but I know it's, I know shit like that happened because of my own charge. Yeah. See, that's how, before that, I wouldn't be able to believe it. I mean, if I was just the regular citizen, I'd be trying to help out. Hold on, Mike, let me know. Hold on, before he leaves, I want to ask Big Buf a question. You got something out of Big Buf. You got yourself in there. Big Buf passed on in the last question. You might not have watched you. I heard you have a brother that had passed away. Tell me about your little brother. Rusty Pease Black, the guy, that. Wait, I don't know. Tell me what happened. He got killed. Here recently? No, that was like in 2013. What, you was locked up? Yeah, I was in prison. How did that affect you when you heard that? Man, that was a big blow. This person was the same for the TV, that's talking. Right, man? That was a big blow there. How did you maintain? Because I was used to maintaining, bro. In prison, I was like the go-to guy for everybody, right? And I juggled, man, so many different things at one time. And I just added that to my juggling because my family was grieving. So, you know, and I ain't really had time to do no grieving. I had to make sure that my mom, my sister, you know, my whole family, I had to make sure that they were straight because my little brother was the backbone of the family at the time. He the only one out there. He the one, you know, taking care of business and you know, whatever, you know. So, when he got killed, man, that was crucial to the whole family. How old was he? I think my little brother was 32. Okay. 33, something like that when he got killed. What did you hear in prison how he got killed? Well, I didn't actually, when he got killed, one of the, a guy come woke me up, I was asleep. He come woke me up and was like, you know, when I saw him, he cried, I'm looking at him. He from out, you know, he out of the project too. I'm looking at him, I'm like, man, what's up? He said, man, he killed him, brother. And I'm just like, who? I'm thinking one of his people got killed because he cried real tense. And I'm like, who? And he said, your brother, I'm like, man, who here? What was his name? What was your brother's name? Murl. Murl. I think he'll Murl. And I'm like, what? Well, I'm like, you don't even want to believe that. Yeah. And then when I went, when I went call, the person who answered the phone couldn't talk to me. I'm talking about everybody that passed the phone to, I couldn't tell you. And I'm like, what's up? What's going on? What's up? What's holding up? Talk to such a such, talk to such a such. And then one of my nephew was wanting to get the phone and was like, man, yeah, bro, I'm gonna get killed. I'm like, whoa, I ain't asked what happened, how it happened. I just feel like, look, I'm gonna call y'all back. And I had to process it, you know? And a lot of guys inside of the prison, man, I watched shots out to the brothers inside of the prison because we stick together for real. They was coming see me in droves. Like, what's that? Bro, you good? You good? You good? And I'm like, man, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I just turned all my attention to my family, you know? And was like, what's up with y'all? You know what y'all? You know, every day I tried to call and talk to my mama, talk to him, because I understood how, you know, how crucial it was for everybody. How it affected everybody? So, you know, I just turned my attention towards that. And, you know, and the things that I do now is dedicated to my brother and my cousin. My cousin was killed too. Rest in peace. Yeah, the same time. God, yeah, be right here for my little brother, like to me. Oh, right before my little brother. Rest in peace, shed a black. And everything that I do now is in dedication to them to show that, look, man, y'all have wasted our lives for nothing. You know, y'all, you know, everything that y'all did, whatever y'all did on whatever level, I'm about to do it on this level, right here, to show y'all, look, look, in spite of that, right there, this right chicken come out of the same project, the same her, we can do it just as good as much as they think that we do bad. You know what I'm saying? Did you find the guy who killed your brother? No. Nobody that never was. Did they even look for it? They said they did. I don't know. You know, I'm like, all right. Okay, but being locked up, let's be real. Right. The streets talk, but there's a cold that's in the prison where you hear stuff. Right. You didn't hear nothing about your brother's killers. I heard all kinds of different stuff. So I ain't never know what to believe. You know, it was like this and that and this and that, so I'm like, all right. You know what I'm saying? To confuse it. Because I'm really more like, you know, all right, it happened and I ain't trying to advocate for nobody to go to prison. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because I understand how it goes for real. Because you never know who they picking and they just picking whoever. Right, right. You saying so many people getting picked wrong. Right. You don't know if they just gonna get somebody and throw them in there. I'm doing this stuff every day. I'm reading these cases every day. You know, I'm reading this stuff, you know, and I know like innocent guys sitting right there with me. They sitting right there with me. So many people. So when you go to hearing this, that and 54, it should be like, that's what you know, you don't really know. But if that guy knew, did it? Who done what? I probably almost put my head on it. He still wouldn't want, he wouldn't give a fuck. He wouldn't want to be jailed. Wow. It could literally be the dude. I'll put my head out there. Let me ask you something. What's the most. I wanna ask my soul just a little. Hold on, let me ask you a question. Okay. What's the most common wrong that always popping up that you see all the time in cases? Misidentification. Yeah. So many people are, man, so many people are misidentified. So many people are misidentified because of all kind of different other influences on their mind. You know, man, it was so many situations to where, well, well, a guy, their charging guy with a crime, right? And then they might have another guy in prison. That's kind of like maybe from around that area, maybe without that when it happened. And they'd be like, well, how did he get you for this crime? And he's saying, no, such as I said, it was me. And the guy might be like, how was I out there? But you call it misidentification. I know that it's just a lot of time cases where they trying to get, they trying to get, you know, they wanna get the prosecutors, wanna get that case. Right, conviction. And they want the conviction. Exactly. And they don't care. So they trying to figure out ways to. Right. Because their next step is judge. Right. Just like Mack. Yeah. Just like Mack, because they said the guy had stepped forward saying that I did it, but they still wouldn't let him do the time. Because they wanted the conviction. The reason I call it misidentification, because I know people who actually was like, yeah, that was him. I saw him. But it really wasn't him for real. You know, I know people, I know cases like that. You know what I mean? Like when the DNA might come up, like people identify people, right? It was him. He done it. Then the DNA come up and they say, it wasn't him. I'm telling y'all what I saw. DNA don't lie. That's a private example of what they do. That's why I call them. That's not gonna happen. That's how witnesses can be bamboos and encode so easily. And they like to use this scenario you deal with law, with cases. You see me sitting here with a gun. Y'all know I'm the only one sitting here with a gun. Lights blank out, boom. Boom, y'all hear the shot light come back on. I still got the gun. He dead. Who did it to you? Him. You. He did it. Now how you gonna deny that? The lights was out. Yeah. You didn't see shit. You seen me with a gun in my hand. Lights went out. You heard a shot. Lights came back out. You still seen me with a gun in my hand. He was dead. It's called reasonable doubt. Yeah, that's enough. They gonna make it circumstantial law. Circumstantial evidence. That's the law. That's it. It is fine. That's right. You can't get mad. They make you believe it. You can't, the district attorney, the judge, they're not supposed to put day feelings in the case. And he be like, oh, this motherfucker just got away. And then they throw a whole not a loop to make that shit work. Cause at that point, what they're gonna look at, look at all your background. You were the one on the streets in drugs. He's a good guy. You know, it couldn't have been him. It had to be you, even though it was him, they're gonna paint it on you. Well, what they say about me? I was a kid, juvenile. I mean, I was a kid. You seen all three of us. All three of us was a kid. You seen us to the prison. It was like sentences for something to hit. District attorney said it was the same thing. You just do it. It was impossible. Don't say we didn't do it. The head district attorney said it was impossible. Now how you got ranking officers from the bottom to the top, making it possible? Wow. Did you ever do time with Soldier Slim? Yes. What was that like? I always do my Soldier Slim store. I gotta do it. Oh man, Slim was. One time with Slim. We had a good time with Slim. Slim was on to tell us. Okay. Was it the same time I told you about? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay, give me a, I wanted you to do it. I had a lot of riffraff about this. Kuntha said last time on my show that he coerced Soldier Slim to rap. And people didn't like that. Certain people. Certain people spoke out against that. So I wanna hear what you say happened that day because you was there. Okay. Nah, I wanna hear him. I just wanna shoot one thing before we jump. Okay. First thing, I would like to ask anybody because that situation period, a lot of cat. When they heard me say that cat, you know you hit his gangster shit or you hit that and you hit that. I said, man, a dude is a good dude. See when you hear somebody put the good staff on some dudes and dudes have a jacket for doing other thing, they feel like you insulted him. Or you took away from this thing. At the end of the day, you just heard what he tried. He described Slim to you. You just asked him, and he took. Good dude, that don't mean he ain't about a shit. That don't mean he ain't gangster. As at the end of the day, he's a human being. That's real. You see what I'm saying? Nah, dude, the rest of these suckers that's trying to speak for that guy, hold it. Okay, so that day Kuntha told me that he coerced him and I heard the story. I put it out. What happened? Did he want to rap? Or what was it like when he came to jail? It was more like, it was more like this young, like everybody loves Slim, right? So we hear Slim like, you know, doing all kind of different raps, you know? Of course we want to hear Slim, right? We want to hear Slim get out. So it was more like, we was like, man, Slim, you keep on, you know, Slim, man, where you going to get down? Slim, where you going, you know, every day, we was on it. Y'all don't let me get down. We on him, because we don't have. Y'all listen to that music. You know, Slim, he like, man, I ain't really know. Come on, come on, come on, Tucky. Come up, sit right there. Slim more like, you know, I ain't really know. Pop, fool, pop. You have to get that out of here. I got it out. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Slim more like, man, I ain't got. Come on, Slim, bruh. Come on, bruh, you know. You basically, you see him, y'all want him to rap, y'all trying to get him to go in here. But he don't want to do it. How long did that go on? Man, if we took this thing about a week or so, man, you took it out of here. You don't do it in there, too. You know what I'm saying, bruh. You know what I'm saying, bruh. Hey, he was young silly at the time. I went to middle school, I went to middle school with him. I'm real childhood potters with him. I'm real childhood potters with him. Y'all know him as soldier. We know him as Magnolia Slim. Right. Yeah, for sure. Right, right. That's what he is, he's a soldier. He's like me and him, he's like Koonter. Yeah, he's a soldier. 10 toes down, you know? But like he said, dudes wanted to hear this Magnolia Slim on the tip, man. He's a legend, a local legend. So y'all both was, like, we got to hear this, bruh. Man, you about to go home. You ain't gonna sit 60 days. You know, we got the 60-day rules. And nobody, you know, they don't pick the charters up. You know, we out of here. You about to go home. They ain't got nothing on you, man. We need a concert on this tip, man. On that type of level. Nigga not like, you know, Koonter made him about to beat him up and make him rap. But nothing, no, we need to hear you, man. You Magnolia Slim. Yeah, before you go home, we need you rapping on this tip. We need a concert. You trippin'. And then they had three more dudes out to sit out the night wall. What did they name him? Grave Y'all Slim. Grave Y'all Soldiers. So we needed a concert on the tip. Y'all sound, y'all can mess with soldiers. Y'all remember Magnolia Slim? Slim, they got three dudes over here, the great, great Y'all Soldiers. Oh, and he cranked it. That's how that went. Wow. So, but still, okay, so Koonter finally was able to say, hey man. Right, Slim in front of the cell, I'm in the cell with him. Man, you got the rap, baby, you got to give him something. Koonter said, hey, he in front of the cell, I'm in the cell with him. You got the rap, you got to give him something, baby, before you go home, you about to go home. And what he saying? Man, you know, I don't like, look, if Slim wasn't a rapper, he'd have been a comedian, man. Yeah. I know him for real. If he wasn't a rapper, see, if he was in his room right now, you have all that laughing right now, man. That's who Slim is. Wow. That's who he is. So, and that day when he rap, well, how long did he rap for? He cut up. Every local hit he ever had, he cut up. Oh, he did, he did everything. Man, the other thing with that rap, he don't even want to rap. Yeah, they had, they had kind of like, gracefully bought out. He shut that, he shut it out to Koonter. So Koonter, when he came to your cell, he said, hey man, come on, man, you got to give him something. Come on, baby, you got to do something quiet since you been on the tip, you back know yourself. And that was the first time Koonter really just spoke to him about it. But he been on him too, like, I know him, but that day what made it different, what Koonter had never said. He was about to go. He's about to go home. He's about to go. Like I said, we've been sweating him, hold on, hold on, ready. You know, every time I talk to him like, sling, come on, bruh. Come on, man. You know what I'm saying, bruh. Man, come on, bruh. I guess a few guys, you know what I'm saying, but all of them, whatever like that, man, I don't be better. You know, I'm slamming that, bruh. You know how to do all that, bruh. He really like us. He just not. Yeah, he was a street nigga for real. He was a street dude. You know how it was then, was differentiated with it is now. You know, cause you know, if you're a real street nigga, he don't really want to be a rapper. No rapping on that. So you know, I can't rap, but I ain't really no rapper. Don't be pulling up on me. That's the type of time moment. Like, you know what I'm saying? But like Koonter and him, I know you know what you said, Koonter was a soldier and Slim was a soldier. You know, like during this time though, these two young soldiers, two young boys, you know. And it was a mutual respect. Right, it was all love. All love. You know, when Slim come down now, you know, tell them all hi to him cause he was a stand up guy for real. See when Slim went home, when you know when Slim went home, he put his name in the rap. He put a four by the name of the rap. He did, he put their name in the rap. Food dude's name in the rap. Cause he mess with them dude. Right, right. He got the name Goulda. He come up with what he come doing. He got to come over to Cam J. Lookin' for us. Right. He lookin' for him, man. He stand up guy for real. You know, doing that time in that, in that Paris right there, doing that time, you had to be a stand up guy. 10-2. Or where you was from? If you had 11, you had to be 11 too. Yeah, you had to be a stand up guy. Let me go over here. And this guy right here, now I ain't giving him no props, trying to prop him up to my listen. He's a legend. They got a titty called B-1 in OPP, an old Paris prison. B-1. Cool. Get all of the tears. You gon' hear his name, right? She a Goulda Gable. Wow. I wanna hear about like you and, you say Soldier Slim was your celly. Y'all was in the same cell together. Right. Some tank and a duty call went before us in the cell. Before us in the cell. That's right. When he came in, y'all had already been there. Been there with him. But y'all had already been there and locked up. Yeah, we was there before him. He came in, we was already there. What was his energy like? And what was the conversation? Give me some conversation. Oh, you know what he said he does, man. You know me from the streets. What's that, baby love? You know? Wow. What sticks out that he said to you during that time when that, because it was a long time ago, but what sticks out? Like, something, think back. That charge that he, they had him on, they had him on a murder and attempt murder. Okay. And it was him in the fall party. Fall party was crossed from you. We choose to stay at three, right? On the left. I was to stay at two on the left. His fall party was to stay at three on the left. He was kind of livery of his fall party because he didn't know how, you know, he ain't did the charge. Yeah. You know, he told us out of the gate, man, he didn't have my work, you know. But he was livery of his fall party. You know? Wow. He ain't know how that was going to turn out. But it. As time went on, you know. Yeah, he, you know, it worked out, you know, it worked out. Better for him. You know, yeah. So during time with him, but he never had no issues with nobody cause he was soldier slim. Soldier. He ain't gonna have, he ain't gonna have, he ain't gonna do too much rapping left guys like Gus Brown. Come on, soldier, babe, you gotta give him something. Yeah. You know, but he's gonna have you laughing all day on the tip, man. He's gonna have you up. Like I said, if he wasn't a rapper, he'd have been a comedian. He's a clown. Wow. So how long was it to say y'all was locked up in cellars together? Uh, what was the thing about 50 days? I think it does not work. Cause during that time, you'll do like 60 days and if they don't accept your charges, go home. Go home. Like 50, something like that. Yeah, he was on a murder attempt. Wow. So when you, when you look back just at the time and I want to get back, really go back into your backstory before we get to, like what you ended, you ended up going to prison. How old was you when you went? When I come to jail, I was 15. You were 15? 15 years old. Damn they get y'all young down there. Man, look, they lie to me. Man, look. They got that juvie? Man, look. When you seen him at 15? Listen, listen. I come out in my cell and I see him in a cell. I had to do a double tape. I'm walking past, I come back. I'm like, man, how are we with? Look, what you were worrying about that for? Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, that's the chuck. That's what I'm telling you, but I'm telling you, you don't let them tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all that shit in there. Because he got a new one. He got a new one. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah. I'm like, it's, I'm like, who, how did, who let brother to say, how did you get in here? He's going off. Do, do, do, do. I'm like, thanks for that one. Yo, you got a new one. Little. Little. Yeah, he was, yeah. He was, he was, he was real strong. 40,000, wasn't even 100 pound, 90 pound, 40,000, 90 pound. Don't miss this. A lot of people miss the narrative there. You from Uptown. Mid-City. Mid-City. Mid-City. It's the third wall. It was the third wall, but it just ain't Uptown because you gotta cross the bridge to be from Uptown. But it's the third wall, but I'm from Mid-City before you cross the bridge. What the hell is that? In between downtown and Uptown. Let's go back to being 15. I got to get, get to, why would you end up being targeted at 15 and thrown into jail and then prison? Police. The police that, I forget the guy name, but if we call him Shawty on the streets, he had some personal against me. It had to be. You're 15. Shawty was a pro. Shawty was all about it. Shawty was all, it was personal. It made me think of that movie that Denzel was in. I know a trip where he was a boxer and they kept this one card game. Didn't not like it. It was like that. Just like that. Exactly. Personal. I don't know what it was. I don't even know the guy. You're a grown man. I'm 15. How he see, I'm through with his girl. Right. I'm a grown man. I said he probably slept with his girl. He's 15 though. So, 15 year old, I'm mad. At the end of the day. We're a woman. We're a woman. What happened? Like, when did you first see him? Well, he been harassing me, you know, pulling me over, putting me on the car. Pulling you over? Yeah. You're not on the car. This one got him on my trail. He pulled me on the one time and I had like $1500 in my pocket. And it was. Was he walking or driving? I was shopping. I was walking. Just walking. I was coming from shopping. And he been on my trail ever since. He felt like I was a drug dealer. Yeah, because how 15 year old I don't have that much money. $1500 in my pocket, you know. And so after that he kept messages. It was over with. On my trail. And I ended up with a temp murder and on robbing charges because of him. He started, when he run up on you, he just trumping charges pretty much. But I started off with a temp murder charge that another bogus charge that I sent up about 40 or 50, like you see the 60 day rule. New body come to court. They don't have nothing on you. You throw it out. When he threw that charge out, I had another temp and murder and another on robber that he stuck on me. That I done the 27 and a half bond. Wow, so when you get this time, you 15, where's your mother? Where's your daddy? What's going on? My daddy was in prison. My mother was there the whole step. I'm talking about every step of the way, every second till March 1st, 2023, when I come home on her birthday. She was there the whole time. So she knew everything, you know. She was with me, you know. And you know, basically you just lied on me, you know. I had a whole, my co-defendant, he tried to take the charge from day one, but they waited 23 years later for him to take his word then. That's how I come as I'm here right now. Wow, they waited 23 years to take his word. They didn't take it in 23 years. He didn't, because they made the victim, I was on a temp murder and on robber, they made the victim lie. Hmm, wow. Right. And you got two witnesses, a 911 caller and an eyewitness. See, I had nothing to do with nothing. That's how I'm standing right here with this interview right now. Wow. How was it doing time on something that you didn't even do, you know? Yeah, you must have been angry. He was crazy, I wasn't. It was, y'all were saying you were angry. He grew up in the system though. I really didn't understand what I was going through at the time. That's right, because he was young. So he didn't really think about it. So he got you coming home. You said 25, I heard you liein' clear. If it's 25, he gotta get 10 years to even get to that. So he's really institutionalized as a child going up into the state of 25 in order to even start maturity. And to tell you the truth, my charges wasn't even my fight at the time. I was 15 years old, 90 pounds, 411. My fight was surviving in the way I was at. Wow. They know how small I was. But you know, I'm 10 toes, I'm a man, but it just, you know. You was a kid. You know, and I'm in here with adults. I'm talking about. Was there any time where people tried to play you wrong? Many times, you know, I stepped up every time, every time. That was nothing. The physical part of it was nothing even more mental to me. So at 15, that wasn't a juvenile facility that was prison that you went into? I was in a, I was in a paddock. They tried them as an adult. As an adult. They tried me as a adult, but they put me on the till with guys that's older than me, people. But you had a guy like Kunter there that was standing up guys that was. That's the whole thing that they do when they can't get you right on the street. And if they feel like you one-on-one, that's out there in them certain neighborhoods doing things. They literally are seeing you. No, you're gonna come out, but they'll send you to all in Paris just for somebody to rape you, turn you out or break you. They know you're gonna be the charges. I just need to send you in there so you can see them monsters. I ain't gotta worry about you no more. And I tip your whole rest of your neighborhood when they see they don't crack you. That's right. And so they always fish for the standup guys in these neighborhoods, whether they did something or not, just because the name is in the neighborhood or holding the neighborhood down. I got to break you because you're bigger than the cops out there. Right. The people in the street respect you more than they respect us. So now I'm gonna take y'all hometown hero. I'm gonna put him in jail. And he better be everybody he was on the street. Because if he not, when he getting that cage, he ain't all four. And they ain't got that knife, they ain't got that gun, they ain't got them 15 niggas in the crew that they run with. And every app they tell you meet in my boys. I remember when meet in my boys. Right. Walking that motherfucker, buy yourself. Buy yourself. How was it like, when you look and you heard the stories on Coontain just meeting Coontain, did you know Coontain? I know him from the street. So what did you think when you say like that? See man, man, Slim, they call him Slim. That's his other name. They call him Slim, he fast now. But we had a little something. He had the full one on the third wall. It was like the Inheriti beef. We ain't had nothing personal. You know, the full wall, we beef with the third wall. So as we came up for our time, it was our time at the time so we bumped his a little bit. So when you seen him, you was like, damn, I don't even rock with him. Right, we was like, we wasn't enemies, personal enemies, but we was like, you know, Inheriti beef enemies. So when I come on, they couldn't reach that point because of his sister. Right. Her sister were gonna always literally keep that shit from going too far with me and him. Now, if I'd have caught him out of pocket, God forgive me, but I probably would have done him something. Right. God taught me out of pocket. He'd done me something. We know, we done been in enough situations where some shifting transpire, where we know, catch it nigga, God's up for your head. Right. But he had to make sure that certain people on my neighborhood didn't find out that he was the one who did it. And then I had to make sure I didn't, you know, his sister, you know, I couldn't look her on her face and all that, you know, I don't know what to do. If I'm gonna add up, but I'm gonna let this brother take me out of here. But let me- Look, I come on and tell you when I first come on and tell you with him, first day, you come on and tell you a big old coin, he looking like he look right now, big old coin. So I got you now. Look at what he said, first thing he said, oh, I got you now. I got you now. I got you now. Know what I said? Come on with it big boy. Come on with it. Come on with it big boy. So when did y'all get close? When we got close? Yeah. I mean, we always knew each other, but when he came into the prison, when the guy came to the parish with charge, I was already in, he was already in, he fell on a chill. And that was me just looking my child. I wasn't gonna do him nothing. Anyway, I just wanted, yeah, I got you. See, you know you don't stand a chance right now. Right. Not with that, not with him 90 pounds. I'm about to make your neighborhood feel it because his neighborhood is right outside the door to your house. Right, right down the street. His whole neighborhood covered all in parish. That's his neighborhood. So I wanted to make them hear that. I got him now. He ain't here with me. You young at the time. His sister came visiting him. How old was you at the time? 17. 17. He was 15. Yeah. I know he was on his name. He said we can't visit him. And when she came visiting him, I told him, I said, Melissa. I said, he fucked up. I got him. She said, if you fuck with my brother, he'll never let you right now. You ain't messing with my brother. She should cheat up. You know what I mean? She cheated up. It's not been saving him since he been alive. Wow. So, so, just, let's talk about, you was locked up with C-Murder. Right. Just left him. Just left him. But how is C-Murder's... That's my boy. Mentally, how is he doing? Mentally, C-Murder's straight. See how you see us functioning right now? He's straight. Never broken me straight. Cause he know he innocent. And he know he coming home. You know, he got a bunch of dudes like this out here. And more people fighting for him. So he know everything positive. I'm talking about he ain't straight, he ain't everything positive. In actuality, you saying that he still got faith? Yeah. I'm talking about this to the universe. Definitely. It's to the universe. His faith is to the universe. He know he coming home. Seeing too many people come out? He know he coming home. It's going up. Right. That's love, man. That's love. Like, so how, okay, you, how long were you locked up with C-Murder? How many years? C-Murder was C-Murder to come to the camp. When he come to the pen. About 12 or 13 or something. No, he come before that. Yeah. When he come around else, cause he was playing football, he was like around, what, about 10 or something? Nine or something? I don't know. I don't know. I just remember he came. I can't remember. I can't remember. Yeah, I don't know. He shot on the 10th. I was on the 10th. I was on the 10th. He shot on the 10th. So about 13 years. Right, yeah. So you and him were locked up for 13 years together. And, and you know, from people coming to see him, Monica, the grandma used to come to see him. I mean, there's a few times when you're visiting with him and Monica. Monica comes to see him. Monica comes to see him, you be in there. One time in Hunts, when you was in Hunts. You was in Hunts with him, too. I left Van Gogh in with the Hunts. In 2022 in March, I left Van Gogh in with the Hunts. And he was up there in Hunts. And I would fail that visit with him and Monica could come see him. Wow. And it's crazy because they would check her to go in and come in. They have to check her. She have to go through a lot just to come see him. She a soldier too. I want to shout out to Monica. She a soldier. What do they have to go through to come in? Because I know y'all know. It's disrespectful, bro. They do anything they can. I'm not only disrespecting women like that. You make your family bad. Try to really discover people that come visit you. That's the whole thing when visit days is up for them to come in. To make them different from when they come in next to me. Wow, they just really different. But then when the woman tell you men that this is what they had to go through, that just makes you even more angry against the gods. Not one and other gods. Right, right, right. She know she got to hold you down. You know, she your woman or whatever. And she won't be there for you. Y'all might got killed. She won't bring your kids and everything. So they gonna go through that. They violate that. No, but you see the same guard that did this to her. But they not gonna tell you that. Because some of them, if they know you, they know you're gonna do something. Right, they don't want you to. I don't care how much time I got. If you tell my mama, tell me a security guard, touch, touch, inappropriate. It's over with. That's another life sentence. That's right. I don't care what the people say. That's real. I'll catch that right then and there in that in the visiting shade in front of everybody. I'm not gonna say Sergeant Miller, the one that searched me down and like he touched my cat. Yeah, she's not, you know. You might just say a Sergeant like he, you know, I don't like this, this Sergeant, you know, they ain't gonna never see no name because they know what type of dudes we are that we ever run around as Sergeant. It's a game time. No matter, you know, don't tell her how I gonna turn out. So you being in there, did you ever have females come see you? Yeah. Okay. Did you ever hear any stories of anything? They always come through like, only reason I'm doing this is because of you. They wouldn't tell you why, then people are disrespectful at the front gate. Only reason I'm coming up here is because of you. So you can only imagine what Monica have to go through. That's right. That's why I think she's a soldier. And she a celebrity, so they know that. So they gonna make it hard for her regardless, you know, just because who she is. Exactly. You know, not for her to come see murder, come see slum, you know. But she's still coming through that thing. Fuck what you all talking about. Coming through. I love it, I ain't trying to hear that. She G'd up soldier down, though. That's what I mean right there. G'd up soldier down. Ain't no celebrity, a person of her stand is gonna be going through that. Ain't got to go through that, you know. But she going through it for that do. Wow. You know, for whatever it is she'll, you know. Yeah. It got interesting, you know, like even for P, I remember they was having, cause you gonna have a problem when you family, you know what I mean? And P, I remember him saying something to the fact of grandma before she passed, she would always come CC. And he said that, and I really, it didn't register to me, but now that I hear y'all talking, I think back to that and say, I understand why he was saying that, cause he had been down there too, and he know what it is to get, to have to go through that and visit. As civilians going in to see somebody who's locked up and incarcerated. But a male shouldn't feel that way. For a guy, you know, his status. No, no, neither. For a guy, his status to still be locked in that prison, it takes a lot from a lot of guys that's in there. Especially with him being innocent. Dies knowing that, man, you actually got access to, you know what I'm saying? And they can't get you out on it. So you just imagine with somebody who ain't got no support. Fighting 20, 30 years, all the people done died. Man, this man can't get out with the support. He got them. But they brought it down there, being there, all being. You don't worry about what he got. He could be flat out broke, just off his name alone. Because all you got, you know what I'm saying? You ain't being the one down. It's just about who you know. And for them to still have that guy sitting in there like all this time, but that's crazy. And me and C. Murray, let me tell you this before you ask that question. We created a bond, we was cool in that golden, but when I got the husband, we was in a dome right by each other. Yeah, I heard about that dog. You know, so we got like kind of jammed right there. And he's like, how he is with me right now. I live with C, with that type of relationship. Me and him share a relationship. That's how me and C is not from living in that dome together and hunt facility. Listen. I heard about that dome. I'm talking about the world, Cam, y'all wrote it, huh? When I had Mac on. Brother ain't do that y'all. But when I had Mac on, Mac said that they figured it out, the gang stuff in hunt. I think that's what he was talking about. He's saying that they just put all y'all in a dome together. They don't worry about no gangs. Yeah, they don't worry about that. I ain't no gang. You gotta get it out of your live, man. First of all, there are people in this deal see inside, man, look here, you was in they head, you in there to die. That's right. How you die. Right. Oh. Period. That's right. Whether another inmate do it to you, whether something like what I told you about that, what goes in on prison, stays imprinted, that shit. Killing that trend right there. I'm gonna kill that. Literally. Right. I'm gonna kill it. It gots to die, brother, because you got so many guys there. I hate to put this out there, but I lost so many friends with the epidemic didn't know that. That's right. Be the jam. Man, I'm talking about literally, bro. I'm calling real. I'm gonna get y'all to switch, because you're doing all the talking. And I like to switch with him. I'm sorry, bro. But by the way, I want him to hear that, Mike. I must have lost about. Because you ain't got quiet on me, because I shut him down with these questions already. Oh yeah, you gotta take that little word. He gonna go with that paperwork. Johnny Cochran, for real. Somebody Johnny, for real. I really? No, we don't give that to us, if I'm good. But, my thing is, you know, for you, like 15 is something extraordinary to hear that you, at 15, yeah, at 15 years old, had to go through that, bro. And you still here to talk about it? Man, that's crazy to me, bro. Canada Zero, dummy. I won't put that on camera too. Leon Canada Zero, you gave me 50 years on the tempted murder and 99 years on the on rabbit. First offender, never been convicted. Randy Wilde left me with 149 years. Take that. Say that again. I wanna hear that one more time. Leon Canada Zero, Section G, Orleans Paris. Gave me 50 years at a 15 year old. On the tempted murder, 99 years on the on rabbit, on the same one person. Randy Wilde, never been convicted, my first conviction. 15 years old, remember my age. Try as an adult, gave me 50, 99. Randy Wilde left me with 149 years. That means life in Louisiana. You're gonna die, wherever jail you in, whatever DOC in, you're gonna die right there. Unless we feel sorry for you and let you out. 50 years old. And then, I was innocent. That's the core of life, bro. I was wondering when you gonna get to the end. I was innocent. Forced to be taken dead. That's right. To come on. No one you gonna get tired. Same thing they tried to hit me with. And don't know where I got it from. Probably don't wanna take that back. My mom, my mother passed right before I came out. She passed. There was no way in the world I was taking a deal. There's nothing, I mean, I have my daughter and family, but you took, you took mine. You took everything. Man, ain't no cowboy. I need that bag now. Now, see we just three weeks later, they come in a little bit, they were just talking about on the way I come out if I take this deal. Turn it out, three weeks later. All the while they just trying to see if they can get me to be stupid. Knowing that I'm innocent, knowing that they don't file everything to exonerate me. Oh, we got a deal for what you mean a deal. Why would you play the game like that? Why are you playing games? They bluffing you. They check the flip side. That's a bluff. They trying to bluff you. Exactly. Check the flip side. See what he said, his situation? By his verses with me, they try to make him take the deal. Now, my mama just had a heart attack. The leader had been in that day one, 1995, all the way to 2023. Two more first when I come on. Just had a heart attack and a stroke. It's what they do me. I'm innocent. Listen, we got a deal for you. Now, my mama just, she's still in the hospital. We don't know how this is going to turn out. It's my baby. It's my soldier. That's what they use it, because they know that. They know you want to go home. They know I won't go home. Listen, we know you ain't done it, but we ain't got the money as Louisiana. We broke. We can't pay nobody else that got exonerated. See, they got to pay this guy right here. They paid Jerome Morgan, they paid such and such, and Joe blew them. They know I'm innocent. They told my lawyer, listen, we can't pay. We, the state broke right now. They told your lawyer that. They told my lawyer, but we going to give him a deal where he going to cop out to Mr. Mina. It's just like he never done nothing. So they made me cop out to a charge that carries zero to six months. And I've done 27 and a half. How you going to make a man cop out to a charge? Zero, six months. All the charges I took that charge. Don't even count on mama's phone. I don't know if my mama going to conk out to there tomorrow. I'd still been in there right now fighting because I got a good case of Sean. Right now Sean, I got black and white, right now Sean that I didn't do a goddamn thing from a high witness to a 911 call, didn't do nothing. The only reason y'all down here took that deal, he can't chop, took that deal because of my mama. I don't know when, you know, she and I have spent a hard stroke, everything. I got to get to that baby. She got to see me free. Real talk, you didn't do nothing. They might help out. You didn't do nothing. You didn't do nothing wrong. They violated love. And she good. They violated love. She shaking back cause her son home. Right. That's right, her baby home, I got two sisters, one died of cancer, my oldest sister, my middle sister Melissa, the one he cool with, still left in my mama. As you rock with me the whole time in my bundler pack. Wow. As you rock with me the whole time. And you, man, it's a blessing to have you on the show, man. I appreciate you for even coming. I know you guys came a long way and I just appreciate it, man. I like to say it, man. I just hear these stories, man, of how they do y'all down there, especially Louisiana for some reason. Louisiana is the one, boy. I hear some stories down there that just blow my hair up. Oh, better all these. I ain't, you know, putting nobody else's parents down. All these parents, they filth the prisons up, man. Made parents. How many prisons down there in Louisiana? Tell me, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. They done merged them down, but they had so many that they literally had. Right. And it was all four. I asked about it boosted when he was locked up. You was locked up with, I know you were. You were locked up with him. That's right. Last time you made a statement and it was like, he wasn't, he was in PC, but he wasn't, he wasn't. No, he made it. The guy put this, this the thing. I don't care what nobody see. I know for a fact, me know for a fact that dude was trying to get all PC from the time he had the prison. I also know for a fact that the whole prison, majority of the guys from Baton Rouge was mouth about they was looking for him and what they was going to do. And that's what made him come out even more. Even more to do when that shit picked up. That's what made me respected the cat. I don't know, I carry it. I just know if I'm seeing him, you know, like I told you in jail, not the shit on them guys, but they don't come to Angola and, you know, we don't fuck who you is. Don't matter about you being a famous rapper. That shit might carry weight with the women, but you know, for the prison, it don't carry no work. You got to, you got to put your work in. You got to show me. What you doing? You going to wind up on the wrong end of stick. So with that being said, I respect the guy I put the work in to come out. The guy made it somewhere around there by bass. He didn't make it to where most people. Was seen murdered. Yeah. In the main prison. See, he's seen around there. He lay around there. Boots he never lay around there. She was at bass too. Wow. You heard that he was in the prison. You never got to see him. I saw him in everything. He was in Hawk. He was in Camp J. Badd with the first dome he went to. What was that? Camp J. Badd. Okay. That's not the Camp J. Where he cut up. The camp I was telling you about. Just the camp as well. A camp where he's in population. He's in population, but it's so far away from the other camps. We're good on that. They got their own camp. Right. The way the camp structured all the fall, they got their own thing. It's Camp J, Camp D, you know, C. You know, they got that. And they're not putting him there because he a coward or nothing. No, no, no, no. It's because of Bootsy. And it's seen murdered. Bootsy. That's the thing, man. Remember I told you that? High profile. You see, murder just did more than him to get out of there. You know? See, murder went to the extent. I'm not about what he told C. Man, what you doing in that dome? What was happening, man? What they got you? Oh, they probably got me there because of who I am, brother. Man, you got to come out there. What you mean? What kind of dome is there? That ain't... He didn't even know. He didn't know. He didn't even know. So once we didn't told him. And they hear that thing because of their status there. You know, it's that same shit that they were weighing the raggers out. Right. Straight to pieces. He got too much power. Now he's on weighing whether he wants to get in there and say, man, y'all violate me by putting me in protective custody. Because he got rights. I desire his rights to roam around that prison. That's right. I want to come out. That's right. It would be foolish to say that because, you know what I mean? Throw yourself in the pool like that. Right. But that dude, come out there fucking sale. I don't give a fuck. But some people just don't know their rights. Right. Some people don't know their rights. Yeah, they just don't know. Some don't know. And some guys just feel, you know, that they have to make... They understand what type of situation the people put them in. That's a catch. Who see what no cow? What do you want? Who see a none of that devil? That's the system, you know? But when you heard he was in there, though, what did you... What did you... I understand. That's what they want the streets to hear. I understand. What he just ain't ever live around us. Protect the custody. That takeaway from all the morale he had on the street. Right. See murder is in protective custody. That take from all the morale they have on the street. That's the only strategy. That's their strategy. Everything that goes on the side, the prison is a strategy to make us collide. Period. Where the free folks ain't got to do nothing and sit back and watch us kill each other. You see this guy right here? He always kept guys like us. Because we was wild and we didn't really play the lowline better and all that stuff. See him? He kept us on our rights. What we can do and what we can't do with the law. You know, a lot of us are doing what the law don't allow. Most focus is young cat out of our generation in the penitentiary. They had all the guys that went in with him, but they couldn't handle the long haul or either they was in there for just theyself. I can't knock no guy from, you know, but you take that position and that position is for you to help the prison. Like, he was one of them guys that come under the two guys that really get a game and they got to learn a lot, man. I want to help you out as hard. Help so many. How did he help you? Because you said earlier that he helped you. Oh, he helped me a whole lot. I'm talking about I go to the law line. Well, sometimes he get mad at me. I send one hour friend. All the time. Buff, man. Look, I need this case right here. It's right in my letter. Going up there to the law line, but get at the buff for a minute. He going to send what I asked for back, but he going to send a note back. Nigga, come the next time, come yourself and get it. Yeah, he send me a note back. I hate that. And he going to like all that he want us to be in that hands. I'm going to teach us the law. Go ahead and blow that basketball. Tell me what you want. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I'm going to play some football. You want to go play basketball, go play football. Go play football. I got this here. I'm going up in here, I'm going home. You go down there, I'm back cheering. Nigga, I got a law here. Keep on having a law here. When we ain't forward, he going to make show. Man, you trippin'. Let me ask you something. Hold on, I got asked if I did Mac. Man, you never ran into Mac when you was in there? Well, Mac was at Hunts. He was. And he came to Angola one time for a hospice thing. Right. One time. And I was in a room with him. But I ain't never, you didn't get to know him. We ain't, I just talking about his case because we know he was there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I saw him that day. You don't really know too much about Mac. He was in Hunts. Yeah, by him being in Hunts. You never went to Hunts. Yeah, I went to Hunts my last year. I went to Hunts from March 2024 to March 1st this year when I come on. OK, but he was. Yeah, he was gone. He heard all the things about him, though. He got his face. When I went to Hunts and I'm asking dudes about Mac, stamp it. Stamp. All good things about Mac. Stamp. Nothing bad. I just know that his case is. That's not just on those street shit. I'm talking about literary just. All the way around the board. Helping guys. That's why I hear people. Stamp. That man was something serious in that population in Hunts. For as you know, inspiring guys and helping guys, that shit he doing on the ground ain't no fluke. Right. That shit he fucking with, he ain't fluking with it. I know he not fluking with it. That's right. I'm saying. So I understand that boosts ain't no fluke. Before boosts came to G, I couldn't stand it. You didn't like boosts? I mean, I couldn't handle his voice. It was, you know what I'm saying? No, I'm real shit. I couldn't, I couldn't handle it was so squeaky. It sounded like a kid. It was too consistent on the squeaky side. Right. He ain't like the boys. So I don't know if you can hear the news, but I couldn't listen to the voices too. The boys are doing it. I couldn't handle it. Get all my nerds out to go to the song. Oh, he's standing there. He's standing there. What'd you tell him? You say he's hard. I'll pull up on him. You don't like this new boosts right here? I ain't heard of Spitterwaggedverse since he came to Rangola. Oh, really? I'll say since he left Angola. I ain't heard of Waggedverse from Booth. Right. And since he left Angola, since him and that guy are like a man, him and what's that boy? Who that is? Stand on the corner. ATL? Yeah. I know you're talking about rich homie coin. Rich homie coin. He's been standing up like a man. Him and the whole three went crazy. Him and the whole three, that's right. They run the boosts right now. The whole three went Dallas, man. They let boosts in three features with the little guys and the little kids and stuff like that because the guys that he's post, they ain't going to give him no feature because he's too hard. He's too hard. He ain't missing. He just got out of the gun situation. And I'm going to be honest. Yeah. And he's still, I think he got out on bun. We don't know what they're going to do. I don't know how the law is up there in California. You the man for that. But I don't know how the law is up in California. But to catch him, and I think they say it's one of the security guys that had the gun, because they going to play you. If they catch you anyway wrong and you got some type of record, you're around that gun. I see them go to you and they're trying to get him on. He got a gun in the back pocket. They're trying to see a gun in the back pocket and keep pulling that out. And that's what they got him on. But you know he on paper or some shit, some type of shit where he can't have no gun. Straight up with the fear of fucking with him on. He's straight. He's straight. He's straight. He's going to be all right. He's going to be all right. He's straight. They know they, I mean he slipped up. They know he slipped up. I think they just fucking with him. That's his last shot, right? Right. If you ask me, I don't speak for the people. I don't want to speak for him. I don't want to put nothing on it. They let him make that buy and slide out their feds just now. They know they fuck with him bad. I don't know what it was. Somebody sent that, something wasn't right about the whole shit. Right. Something wasn't right. It's like that was entrapment. They literally had the stays to send that guy to jail. Right. Like the people, even people said, what the fuck? You got a helicopter. You got real stars. Like you got a helicopter, follow, boost it. A helicopter, all the stars in California, you don't, that do shit. But you know they already been stopping them outside of his estate. But that's what I'm saying. All the way through. They had already been stopping them. You followed them all the way to California. Man on a business venture. Man going, you know, all of a sudden, you know that. I mean, you stalked him out. They ain't really busting when the gun, they didn't see them on film with the gun in his back pocket. It could have been a toilet. It could have been my whole thing. It could have been a BB gun. You don't even know. Right, you don't even know. You don't know what it's like. They said that they literally seen a make, a copy of the gun, whoop, whoop, whoop. And then they seen the same make of the gun in his pocket. Man, what do you see? Man, they just tell us anything. They just say anything. Wow. You know what you make sense? No, they don't, man. So it's the same model we just seen? No, no, no. And I'm going to wrap this up, you guys. Like, like, how can people get on? First of all, let's say the name of that podcast one more time. Streets to the Pen. Streets to the Pen. And can we watch it? And where can we hear it? I say, give me at least, give us, at least, to the middle of this month. And it will be all the way up. Middle of July. It will be up and running. Guaranteed. Y'all got to come back and then rock with me after some episodes come out, like I said. You on now for show. No, we coming back. Y'all can't do it without Lil' Chucky. Because Lil' Chucky came from 15. What year, how old was you when you got out? 43. 15 years old or 43, you were locked up. Crazy dad. So something you didn't do. Something you didn't do. And you know I got to put this on camera. I'm the best wire receiver in the world. I didn't append. It took all that from me, see? I'm talking about the best in the world, man. This was in Lil' League in the city. In the Lil' League tees in the city. This was the city shining star right here. Before you went to prison. I'm talking about the sports. I'm talking about in the state, literally. Newspaper, all that shit. Full plan sport, that guy there. And they took him out like that. Took all that. They'll shake you up. Wow. Hey man, so man, like I said, man, I thank y'all for coming on the show. And definitely, man, hey, big buff, when the next person come out, you bringing them over here to show me that, hey, man, this is all the person who you've helped. I love to meet some of those people. He bringing a few of them. He gonna bring a few of them. Look, this is my saying right here. God said feed the people, so it's lunchtime. That's it? Wow. Sure, you like that? That's it. Man, so man, thank y'all for coming on the show, man. I appreciate y'all, man. It's love, man. Lil' Chucky Koonter. Come on, big buff. Highlight the grand. Highlight the grand. Highlight the grand. Highlight the grand. Highlight the grand. Congratulations, baby. Oh, yeah, she, hey, she going to Brown, you know. And she getting ready to go up to Rhode Island, man. So I'm excited about my baby girl going to college, man. That's right, that's right. She's 17, my son, 15. I can imagine my son right now, think about that. Going to prison. Going to prison at 15. And a lot for a lot. He didn't even do this. That's right. And they just called him in the car or something. And me and you fighting to try to get him home. And he never could come home till 43. See? Think about his mom. Man, I liked it in the car. Couldn't have the way to high school. Couldn't go to college. None of that. It took all that. Took all that. Wow. Man, you dropping money. I don't know. I keep it. If you guys didn't have so much, just drop it everywhere. I'll just switch y'all. Try the hand. I ain't want to do it on camera. That's for your baby, bro. Oh, yeah, that's for the baby. That's for the baby. Man, she's going to hold on you. Hey, sitting here too much money lately. You don't want to cut off. She called and called me on while I was on camera. She did call and said, hey, listen. Hey, man, listen. I'm going to show you something we'll get off here. But it's just, I'm going to be real with y'all, man. This ain't the last time we get together. No, no, indeed. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, you guys are part of Boss Talk, one-on-one. You hear me? That's right. So as y'all show go up, because it's going to go up. Indeed. I'm going to definitely keep promoting it. And if it's anything you guys need to push out there through this channel, it's already done. You know what I'm saying? That's all you got to do with hollywood. You send us an e-mail. We doing this. We trying to put our site on it. I'm here for y'all, bro. Right, right. And I ask y'all to do the same for me, because y'all going to pass me up. You're great, man. You hear me? Y'all are great. I don't mean no, let's put it this way. We see you on top. Just put it right there. Check it, man. It's on top, man. Kota, Big Bob, and that boy Chucky, they been another great segment of Boss Talk, one-on-one. What a boss it's all. Definitely, man. That's right.