 Welcome to ToffeeTV, Everton have announced that the second consultation for the stadium will happen later on this summer. The dates are the 26th of July to the 25th of August 2019. Make sure we say that 2019 and before we get into it, this video is sponsored by One Football, One Football is that. It makes it easier to find all the later scores. That and news all in one place to download the One Football, click the link in the description. So the main take from this is we are going to see those images of Bramley Moldoch. We're not only going to see images, we're going to see models, we're going to see 3D things, we're going to see the old headset walkthroughs, everything, all kinds. Are we? Headset walkthrough? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that as red, but you know, maybe. Yeah, I mean, that's the biggest thing, isn't it? I mean, I suppose we should say this is what the club said they'd do, didn't they? If there was the first consultation and the announced there was going to be a second consultation, end of the season sometime. Clearly it is July, so it's before the start of the new season. And I suppose what that does is, because there's going to be stuff on display at Goddison as well, it gives a lot of people who are based around Goddison Park the opportunity when they come to the game to actually go and see some of the stuff. I should have mentioned the caravan or whatever it was called, the caravan of hope, whatever it was called. I don't think it was called. But you know, we're just named that. You know, the lorry thing. It sounds like a song from the house mart in the 80s. But yeah, so we're going to see that obviously with the model and everything. So that'll give everybody an idea of what it's going to be. And I think the biggest thing is once we see that, it then becomes, it changes from just being a concept and something that's in your head to being something that's almost tangible because you can look and go, oh my God, it looks amazing. This is what we're going to, this is what we're moving to. This is what it's going to be like. And everyone wants to see that because I think at the moment, but what two months away from seeing it, two and a half months away, people are still, but a lot of people have still be doubtful. I've seen some, you know, some negativity on Twitter or negativity, but some, like, Yeah, because I think people are still worried about the money side and all that. I don't, doesn't even come into my head because the amount of money that far, that Michelley's invested so far and everything they've invested so far means they've gone so far down that road anyway, that it's going to, it's going to come to fruition. So I think that's the exciting thing from our perspective as fans is that we'll actually get to see what, what this, you know, concept is going to look. Well, it's going to be more than a concept at this stage. Isn't it? It's going to be, well, I didn't mean it like that. I just meant to say in our heads, it's still just an idea. It's not that it's not the final design. You know, it's going to be ways down the line, but obviously this consultation gives fans a chance to have a say on maybe some elements, maybe some superficial elements. Because I've said it, I've said it a few times and I'll stay consistent. You know, I think if the architect and the club have got a vision, then I'm hoping, you know, they've realised that if there's small details that we can all say, you know what, I'd rather that wasn't there or rather something that thing was bigger or, I don't know, more entrances or whatever, you know, just details. But I imagine the thing itself, the design of the thing is going to be pretty much nailed on because, you know, fans might see it and say, oh, I'm not sure of this or I'm not sure of that. But we know that the stadium has to come in at a certain, in a certain style. It has to, it has to fit into its surroundings. We know there's the whole UNESCO World Heritage Site sort of problem to fit into. Do you want to call it a problem? Some people might think it's a problem. Some people might think, you know, Goodison, if we, Goodison having to fit into certain, in a certain criteria makes it different, unique, not just the standard glass, steel, concrete bowl, like everywhere else gets. It'll have something a little bit more unique to it. And maybe that's what people want. I don't know. We won't know that. So we actually see it. No, but I mean, the architect, you know, Dan, you just said many occasions it's got to be, it's going to fit in with what's there already. He said he's already told us that without seeing anything. So when you go down to Bramleymore and the video is available on us, right? Have a look at it. When you go down to that area, you can see what the type of brick there is. Look at the buildings that are already there, the docks that are. So you look around, you go, well, chances are it's probably going to look a little bit like this kind of stuff that's here. We've used the Lucas Oil Sports Stadium lots of times. It's probably might be similar to that, but it's not going to look like that. Not going to look like a warehouse the way that does. But it'll have to fall in at quite show with the kind of, you know, the kind of stuff that they use, the materials that are used down there. And that might have said that right the way along. So that will make it iconic and it will make it different rather than just. And also the other elements, the practical elements have to fit in. So you know, things like car parking and other buildings. And I know there's there's there's it's not talk that the club have said, haven't they, that other buildings down there that are going to be repurposed and are obviously going to be rebuilt in in back to the way they were. So that and they're all going to be used in a certain way. So I think part of the consultation will be about transport and everything, though, won't it? Yeah, but I mean, of course. I mean, that's that's a that's a different subject. But but we'll once we know what it once we know what it looks like. I think that this is just given, you know, people have had this say on whether they want to go and what are the reasons for wanting to go and the reason for not wanting to go. That was the first part. This is the part where people get to see it and suddenly go. Well, yeah, you know, has it? I don't know whether the one of the questions on the consultation will be will has this changed your mind? Either way, you know, it'll be interesting to see if people said no. And now they say yes. In terms of I didn't know. Oh, yes, and then no. Yeah, well, I mean, that's what a consultation's for. You've got to take that you've got to take that all into consideration because the club have got a lot of lot of boxes to take going forward. You know, it's a massive development on land. That is I say, well, heritage site, it's all got to be right. You know, you know, a project like this could get called in by the government. And when it gets called in, you just want to be able to go in with your paper. You can go, there you go, mate, it's going to it's all right. And listen, they don't want to do extra work, do they? They just have to work done for them. The chances are it probably will be called in, won't it? Because of the size of it. But that because it's called in just means they just look at it with you. You write if you go in and go, well, this has been called in. And there's all the answers to the questions you're going to ask. Oh, oh, oh, oh, OK, done. I'm happy and satisfied with what you've with the work you've done. Hence why Everton have gone out and done the consultation and got as much information and much data and why it was rolled out to the people of Liverpool, not just Evertonians, not just season ticket holders. I think it was there was 94 percent backing for it over, you know, the sample scale was 20,000 20,000 and something, you know. So the big and the actual issue with the dock. Is it actually building on the dock? It's actually filling the docking. I think it's not the only problem, but it's one of the major problems. It's the actual dock that is there. It's almost like the big sort of talking point. And I think Everton are going to make sure. Well, to do that actually. We usable is not the right word, but intact, isn't it? Supposing I think basically what you have to do in these situations is you have to almost put like a membrane over it or something like that, whereas you protect them. What's what's underneath it almost, you know, if they ever want to the conveyor or whatever it is, whatever the reason, I think I'm sure some of this happened at the like around the Kings Dock area as well. There was bits he had to do. No, no, no, I'm just thinking of the Kings Dock. No, no, I was asking that. No, but around those areas in some of the docks, they've had to protect certain things and they basically built almost above it and stuff. And I know with Liverpool one, which is bizarre that there's like the docks run like canals and the docks underneath it. And you've got to build. You've got to membrane it and build a rat. Well, yeah, yeah. But build, build over it almost and keep that intact if it was ever to be restored. So everything will have to do exactly the same. And that is what that's what one of the issues will be is how we do that. And that's why the clubs, you know, it's taking so long because they've got to come up with all these goods. But I think the other thing as well that is people are going to see the L4 legacy as well. What's going to go to St Park and there's to be imagery of that and what the plans are for that. And that will be that will be obviously important to the to the residents of L4 and people around, you know, that area. And I think as well, I think we all envisage this thing miles and miles away, but for both, you know, leaving Goodison and going into a new stadium. But as it says, 26th of July, you know, it's. You know, we're at the end of the first week on May. It's going to come round really quick. Planning permission, you know, before we know it, the new season will be a Christmas soon. So about summer first. And then, you know, the planning permission will go in and hopefully we'll have this time next year. We'll be on our way. We'll be on our speed on the ground. Well, yeah, yeah. We'll be at the end of the day. The club have said 2023. The first number was 2022 when it was for the Commonwealth Games. And obviously that didn't happen. So it went to 2023. So it's four years. So in four years time, you know, we'll be prepared and to kick off in Bramley Mordoch. Four years isn't isn't a long time. They, you know, things go quickly, don't they? So and obviously we'll be looking at this going up break by break and getting excited and, you know, hoping that everything's everything passes every safety test on like spares as ground, you know, and we don't want any delays. So we want it ready for that. But we're at the next part now. And the next part is like you say, getting these images out. They can't wait to see just so we've all got a vision of what it looks like. Listen, inside the inside bit with the pitch and the stack probably will look basically like anything. Because, I mean, we've, you know, we've all been to lots of grounds and different types of stadium. But when you're sat in your seat in general, a lot of the new stuff looks very, very similar. Spares looks amazing. But from the TV thing, it just looks like any other stadium. And obviously there's little nuances you can have in there, which changes it basically. But in general, so it's going to be what it looks like on the outside. And then Mordoch comes with it. And I think the biggest thing and we haven't mentioned it in the press release is that the line is still there that the planning on submitting a 52,000 capacity. Now, I would stress and encourage every Evertonian to. And I don't even know if this is a question, but I'm going to make it a question on this consultation in terms of not a question, but it's going to be in one of my answers is that it has to be bigger than 52,000. It has to be. We can't go into that place with 52,000 in my opinion. And I think there's ways and means we can do it. Listen, the safe standing thing sounds great. We've seen it. We've done it. We wanted in there. But are we? It can't all be reliant on that. No, it can't all be reliant. It can't all be reliant on something we have no control on. No. Going up to 62,000 or whatever, or 60,000 minimum. But they've said the club said 62,000. No, no. But I'm saying 60,000 minimum has to be in our hands. Whether it be a mix of safe standing, but it has to be in our hands. Listen, I had John Blaine in the other week, and I think it was just on Payton. We were doing some stuff about the ground and the capacity of 52,000, and I know you think it's too small as well, 52,000. I think I'd be a lot happier with 55,000 going in, because what I can't understand is the King's Dock was 55,000 in 1999. Everton have grown. I was working there ever in 1999. We didn't sell out anywhere near the amount of times we do. And yet 55,000 was the proposed capacity now. OK, didn't get anywhere. But all these years later, 20 years later... Kirby was 55 as well, wasn't he? Was he? Top end. Top end. So 20 years after the King's Dock, we're now saying 52, when we've got more magical and Evertonians than we've ever done. So for me, it has to be 55, and that can be achieved. Listen, you're not telling me the seats, specs, and Bramley Moe Doch are the same size as what my seat is at Goddison. They are well bigger than what my seats are at Goddison and yours will be. And things like that. So me and John were talking and saying, well, you know the self-stand, which is the glad the streets end up, whatever the home in, make 3,000 of those seats, the spec, you know, smaller and fit more seats in. And by that, you could get another 3,000 into that end. And it's I think the proposal on the leaked documents was like 12,000 in that end or something. If Everton could cram another 3,000 seats in it, which they could, because ideally that's what you want anyway in that end. You want people to be close to each other because that's where the noise comes from. All of a sudden that becomes 55,000 without having to, you know, without going, we're relying on safe standing or we need to redo that whole stand and giving it. And I just think if I don't listen, the club might go, whatever. But I would just say to everybody who believes that you'll be bigger than 52, make your voice heard. It might not mean anything. But I think if enough of us keep saying it, sometimes it sticks, we just never know. No, it's it's hard to say this before. It's hard to know what to say because of the footprint and and. But if they're saying it can go to 62. No, no, I'd like to I'd like that clarified in terms of if they if they say they can go to 62. How purely in seats, purely in seats. Then then hopefully that'll be that would be. I think I don't know about you, but I think a lot of Everton's will be a lot less resistant to 55 than 52. I think I think a lot of people be a lot resistant, lot less resistant to 52. If they knew that it could go up, I think that original that original release. Almost said that it could be 62, but it's all dependent on safe standing. But we need to take that clarification to say, well, is that is that all dependent on safe standing or can it be done through seats? And I don't know if it can go to 62, then the ground has to be capable of holding 62 on day one. Yeah, of course. Ten styles of concourses and everything, you know, all the safety elements. Well, you would, you'd win on architects. No, no, that's why I can't. No, what I'm saying, you'd expect that that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure all modern buildings overestimate in terms of fire escapes and doors in and out and all the rest of it. I'm sure they go over the top on it. So, but again, I can't argue that point because I don't have the facts. No, no, but I just think it's worth, I think it's worth every fan who fills in the consultation gets their points across if they want more than 50. If they do, indeed, want more than 50. 26th of July, I mean, we don't know whether we'll see the stadium beforehand because you might, we might see, you know, they might give us a week, maybe, with all the details before. How do you think? For me, that would make sense. Let everyone have a little look. Because the other thing about it, if we all get to see it, let's say, a week before and we all get all the specs, then we can, we can, we can digest it. And give them. And then when the consultation comes out, give a measure, because if the pitchers drop on the date and you're not straight into the consultation, you might say something you didn't mean, do you know what I mean? Because you haven't... I think even, I think they could even, like, drop the pitches on, like, the 24th of July, a couple of days, 48 hours before the consultation, maybe, and you can deal with it then, but, I don't know, it depends what the plans are at the club. If you've got them set in stone, they're going out the same day at the consultation, well, there you go. I'd give them a week. So let everyone have a little look, everyone digest, and also, if you get the pitchers out, right, a week before, and you tell everyone when you put the pitchers out, you can have your say on this, more people are likely to take the consultation, because they come out at the same, they don't come out at the same time. It's like one piece of news and then the next piece of news. That's up to the club. We'll see what happens. So, yeah, 26th of July, you'll have your chance to say, your say on the stadium. It's going all around the city again, like it did last time, there's various locations, and also, I know a lot of people who, certainly, watch us at, and in Liverpool and around as well, you can have your say online as well. You can fill the consultation in online. And if you're watching, you're online, so... There you go. If someone you know isn't online, help them out. Do before them. I mean, obviously, get their answers, you know. Well, take them out, take them on a day out, to one of the road shows. Go and do the big shot. I mean, if it's like, you know, Kyle who's in like... I don't know. Shinshanatio or Arrazaunar or Austin. Yeah, Kyle and Austin. You know who he is. I mean, yeah, that would be a big shot. Hell of a big shot. Hell of a road trip. But he could do it online. He could. Have you said whatever you're at? It's the future of everything, after all. Did you have it? Let us know your thoughts in the comments. You're excited. If you liked this video, give us a like. 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