 Okay, so we'll review our minutes and then just checking in on this stipend, program, feedback from creative discourse, committee and committee planning. And then all of the other regular stuff, self-adjudication, learning around table, report back from other city committees, other business. Anything to note or add or move? I'll move to a public agenda. I don't think we need to make a formal motion, right? Good, just like thumbs up, like, if there's anything to add. Good. Thanks, though, Michael. Okay, if folks want to pull up the minutes from Cameron, we had a discussion about creative discourse, the stipend program, committee and committee, so very similar agenda. Do you want to make a motion to approve that agenda, Michael? Yes. The minutes, make a motion to approve the minutes. Sorry. Was that a yes? Sorry. Yes. Okay, cool. And Pellen, you second? I second. All right. All in favor. I work team. Okay. Sorry about that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Through the hard parts of the agenda. Yeah. They do like right at the front. And no. Um, So we have this stipend program discussion continued. And this is where it's like, I usually like to like get my head on straight before coming into the call, but. Um, If we had any feedback from creative discourse, I hadn't heard any feedback. Okay. So I just wanted to give sort of an update from my end. So. Um, one, I was out of the office a lot of last week, sort of unexpectedly. And so a lot of the plans time that I had to do this, just, I, I, so I, I wanted to come with sort of more of a package of all the things y'all have been talking about. And I, I'm sorry. So I owe y'all an apology. That was my goal to get that done by today. And it just didn't happen. So. I just wanted to sort of check in and make sure I'm doing the right things to support y'all. So my understanding is that. You know, your goal for the pilot proposal is to have the bucket of money and have it be first come, first serve, right? And we're taking a. Survey at the beginning before it's implemented to make sure that at the end we can see if there's any changes, which is great. And then I just need to check in and make sure that my end, like our insurance and our payroll is up to speed with that. And that's really what I'm packaging, right? To give to y'all to edit, to give to, to give to the council. And to the committee on committees. Is that my understanding that like the package correctly. Yeah, I have one question and that is. Yeah. The, the offer is good for people who are already on committees, or is it for new, new people? Yeah, I think both. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And just to clarify, I think the package. Includes the. The, the pre-work, you know, the survey to establish where we've been. And then I think that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the language around how to sign up for it. The materials for signing up for the site. And. And then you like, like, just like the full life cycle is what I'm just trying to think of through this, like, and then each reporting. Materials, which is more of what you've been thinking about. I don't think we've talked about that very much. So does that mean that we need to talk about that now? If Cameron's going to try to put together this package, do we need to have the. I mean, I think that's what Cameron was mentioning that we just like, haven't. Yeah. Like if there's any tax form stuff, but I don't, I don't think I'm going to have anything useful to say on that. Like it's, I don't know what that would look like. So I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing any pieces that's like sort of being squished together. So that was all my notes to do is just to check in, make sure I have all the pieces right and take all the things that y'all have already decided and sort of put it in one narrative to, to give to y'all to like look at, make sure I didn't miss anything. And then that's the thing that you'd be bringing to the committee on committees and then council. So I was just checking. I got some. I got some documents the last week when I wasn't in from Essex, they sent all of their forms and stuff. So I have that to build off of. So. My new goal because I do not, not would anticipate taking any time off between this meeting and the next meeting. To have that done for y'all. So. Thank you for being patient. Sorry. I hate that. I dare you take time off Cameron. I don't know. Yeah. No, I'm really glad you can take time off. Absolutely. No worries. Well, Lauren, we're just talking about the package of materials that we need. I don't want to jinx it, but I think we might get through our agenda. Quickly. What do you guys think? Yeah, don't jinx it. Yeah, don't jinx it. Okay. Sorry. Take it back. All right. We had our committee and committee meeting planning continued. And I am not remembering the specifics around what that continuation would be. And I'm sorry again, but I didn't go over it. I think we had established the kind of discussion questions and the. Overview and the roles last time. So I think we had. You know, I'll do kind of like the welcome and overview of C. Jack. Lauren will kind of go do the overview of this stipends. You know, what are they? How can they be accessed? Why is it important going over the pre-survey review process? And camera to go over the finance pieces and then we'd all kind of take Q and A. And then kind of after that stipend piece, we would go into discussion of just talking more about having Jeremy facilitate and talking more about if you had, you know, activities related to DEI, can you share what progress you've been made, barriers you've had, equity questions that are relevant to your committee's work. If you had a magic wand with equity issues, would you change in the purview of your committee? And have Michael be the timekeeper there and then Pellin to review your next steps, evaluate the meeting and close. Does that sound anything to note there? Yeah. Well, my, my question on that, am I on muted? Yes. Okay. Sorry. You're like 18 things deep at this point. Yeah. I mean, what are the things like, did you want to have a presentation? Did you want to like create scripts for yourselves? I mean, you have time. You have how many minutes between now and then. I just want us to start. You have one meeting in between them, right? Can I look at calendars? Yes. You have one meeting. So I just wanted to make sure that that was something you're thinking about. Which is why it's still on the agenda. Yeah. I mean, I think we have anything else like urgent to discuss, discuss is this could just be a working meeting where we could work on those pieces. Which I think is a little atypical, but if, if that would be of use, I know Michael then wouldn't like, I don't know, maybe, you know, Michael could help out with someone else, but go ahead Pellin. Yeah. I was planning to ask similar question like Cameron mentioned. I can't review the meeting. Like it is okay because I will be there listening to, but what are our next steps? Are there any specific next steps that we want to mention? Or I will just, you know, make them up after listening to people. So that was my question. Yeah. I mean, I think it's mostly the stuff that we talked about it, like having people fill out the survey is and then, and then I think, yeah, it's like the, it's the pulling out the pieces that get discussed in the discussion to say, okay, so it sounds like, you know, the housing committee and the ADA committee are going to meet to talk about this thing that they, that we talked about and making sure we kind of captured all of that. Yeah. Sorry, only one thing is certain, they will take the survey. And other steps, I, it will be kind of summary of the meeting. Right. And then we'll kind of summarize what people say. Oh, it will be our next step. So I will just remind those steps to them. It is not our steps, we commanding them, it is their steps they mentioned. Okay. Thank you. I think so. Yeah. Are there any other next steps that we want to bump to people? You know, I think, you know, this is where we could have also said, we're going to have our big summit on this day, turn people, you know, things like that, but we're not, we're not there. Yeah. Yeah. So we did, did we at one point think about, we had talked about trying to do this like twice a year or something, like do we want to be like, and we're going to get back together and. Early fall or whenever six months is to. And like, I don't know, just to like have some accountability, like we're going to be following up. Right. You know, and whatever, I guess, I'm sure some of them could be things that we say that we could do to help different groups. So some of the next steps. I think that's a good one is just checking in to see what committees want to meet with y'all. Right. Get some insight. Cool. Should we do some co-working time? Co-working space, or I don't want to waste people's time too. Just ask a question about something I think I missed in the agenda. Or just like thinking about the contracts that we're having with creative discourse to help and being at the. First of the Elks Club property public hearings, like there was talk about, like we should do focused outreach to different types of groups. Like, is that something that the city camera is thinking about? Like this is where I could see creative discourse being helpful. Like. With that kind of public process with us or even maybe facilitating a meeting with like some affinity groups or something. So just wondering like how we're thinking about using them. And that seems like a. Very high profile and like good opportunity where. Because we are looking at like housing and different community needs. It could be really valuable, obviously to get. That feedback. So. Just throwing that out there. Honestly, Lauren, I can speak from staff perspective as we have it. We're still working on going through all the comments and putting them in buckets. And I think that's a suggestion that we would want to bring back to council and say, Hey, I'm going to talk about the planning process. Cause it's on your agenda for not. Tonight. Oh my God. But the following meeting is to talk about the planning process for the Elks Club master plan. And that will be the time when we bring up. Here's what we heard. And here's some recommendations. So I'll, I'll make a note of that to talk about. Great. Thanks. Yeah. I know it came up in the meeting as a suggestion. So I'll make a note of that. Thank you. Thanks. I'm talking about some other city related stuff. We are bringing the locker presentation to council tonight. I don't know if that will be something that they are going to want to discuss tonight, according to the mayor. So. Not in a bad way, but just in a more time way. So. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I had invited you all to that to hear about that, but I'm not sure if they're going to actually be discussing it. If you're hanging on to the council meeting tonight. So. I don't know. I can be until seven 45 tonight, but I do have another meeting at eight. So. Yeah. Intrigued. Okay. I was in the circle back and maybe do some work on my like overview of C. Jack. Yeah. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make any of this conversation. Pieces here too. If that, if that makes sense, and then maybe can like circle back and. 15, 20 minutes and do us report back discussion of these pieces. Does that. Seem like it would be a good use of time. Sure. I'm really, I'm really sorry. I didn't come in as prepared as I liked to be in these calls. Okay. So we had just so I'm looking at our last. Yeah. So I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do this. So folks would be working on the following. Shayna is working on the introduction and welcome and overview of C. Jack. Lauren would be doing an overview of our history of the discussion. The stipends. I don't have this information yet, but I'll get the city finance information to support that. Jeremy is facilitating the discussion. Helen is talking about next steps. So I'll go through some of the, I don't know what the context or. About the. Any of it honestly, so that's what we'd be working on. And just asking, so in the agenda, like the one up. It kind of runs through roles at the bottom and agenda up top and up top it says. What are the stipends? How and where can they be accessed and why is it important and then pre review. Pre survey review and process. Am I covering that? I think that's you too if that's okay or dad do you feel like you have the information I need for that? I feel like I can get the information I need for the 11th yeah okay yeah I just want to make sure Michael you're muted if you're he's reading the way I see this we're not gonna have any breakout sessions is that right everything is going to be plenary all right okay that makes things easier in some ways harder for you as the timekeeper being like and we're just moving on and how many did we just did we determine how many minutes we were going to try to keep any comments too that's on you it's on me figuring that out or and or keeping people moving along well no I'm I'm okay with taking on that responsibility I wasn't I can't move I just couldn't remember if we had determined an amount of time to give each person you can just otherwise it's kind of arbitrary oh this is getting boring time I would say three minutes is you know it's this it's where it seems to work okay at council to do two minutes except for one person who always complains about it but so I think three minutes is is adequate and we can always circle back to a personalized more say is that agreeable with the rest of you okay it seems like all right if there is like discussion you know like if there's good comp like it's like yeah I'm not going to be like well that's an interesting question are we we like to gather information or are we really are we there to promote a discussion because if it's a discussion then it gets more harder to figure out how much time to to give any one person but also how to manage the the kind of map of who comes next is things like that were you thinking it was going to be back and forth yeah I think to me listening to y'all talk about this it's like chunk the agenda up like you have 20 minutes for your introduction where we're talking or you have 10 minutes or five minutes for that and then you have 30 minutes for this discussion and you let it just sort of ride and you ask the questions that you want to ask and after 30 minutes Michael you just say and we're done with this part and then you move on that's my suggestion you know well that's much easier job of course but I think it's also like you do want I have only heard that y'all want people to discuss things in a real way and not just report back and so I would hate for you to feel like you have to stop somebody if they're on a tear like a good one anyway maybe we can rely on you to reign in people who are who are rambling okay Shayna a bit of a flow question I interrupt you yeah I assume like when you're talking about the overview that y'all talk about the equity assessment and suite of recommendations and that stipends was one of the core and that like hands it over to me that's exactly what I was just working on and wanting to clarify with you but I'm not quite there yet but I think it's all gonna work yeah I'm just I'm trying to figure out how to start and so like assuming that you had given talk about the equity assessment so I'm just picking up more like the details of the stipend proposal I think so yeah we can figure that out a question on the I understand what we're trying to do with the survey the other part of the agenda however is the kind of the report back and that also is where it's unclear to me how much time we want to devote to that and how much time we want to give to each of there are a lot of committees and how much time do and you had four questions that you have for each committee for each of those committees so how do you want to divide that how did you think about you were dividing that it's been working on the welcome and intros too of you know of having folks share it that at the top of the meeting of like the name the committee what their committee does you know the committee charge and then like I was thinking of like yeah did we want to put some of those questions at the top and then do the presentation and then do the discussion even you know so like you know do a quick go around at the beginning and say like here's our committee and last time we met we talked about X Y and B here's the update on where we're at you know or if we should have any more fun or like not not as like diving in at the beginning and then do another round of here's where we're at here's what we're what we're digging in on here's the questions and concerns that we have kind of thing I don't know yeah well I think it's a question of how quickly do you want to get into the meat of what's going on if we have you spent a lot of time on the introductions are really that cuts into where we want to be going exactly I my own opinion is that since there is there is an agenda there is a part of the agenda which asks them to report holding off they could just say which committee they introduce themselves if you want introductions all the way around then I would say just ask them to introduce themselves as individuals in the committee they serve on them we'll come back and circle back when they do their reporting that can you say that again yeah I'm just so just introduce them their name and the committee that they're on and that's it yep and then save all the information stuff until we are past the discussion of what what this what the stipend issue is about and and go on to then have the reporting back that sounds good I think yeah I'm gonna capture that in my notes okay one of the one of the question do we have have we started or do we anticipate doing an RSVP so we'll know who's coming that's what we did last time and it caused some open meeting law issues right Cameron yeah yeah let me pull up the invite so yeah we can't have people well it's been sent to 42 people now all of them do not have the ability to say they're coming because it's like a lot of gmls and a well accounts and that kind of thing but I've gotten a lot of really positive feedback to the invite so I would probably estimate about 30 people probably so good amount of folks and I think the chairs who weren't gonna make it have forwarded it to somebody from their committee who can come and it's a is it a two-hour meeting what did I set it for an hour and a half oh it's also warned so other people can get right it's just warned as a C-jack meeting so question then is is there a place here where we're gonna take up we're gonna make comments or questions from the other than the committee members don't have to we don't have to okay as long as there's like you're not telling people from the public that they cannot speak you're fine you don't have to have a dedicated time for that because I think that will also be interesting if people do choose to come from the public and have comments about like what people could be focusing on would be insightful and so it's up to the moderator or whoever's running the meeting to decide whether to recognize someone who wants to speak I guess it's just up to y'all how you want to run that but I would assume so what do you make Michael thing this timekeeper stops too seriously but if it is an open meeting and anybody can talk and then we get we get derailed and if we have some business that we really need to get accomplished here I think it's important at least to have it have it clear who's going to recognize someone who's not a committee who's not speaking from the perspective of a committee and how much is just just to be prepared for that yeah well I think well I think that's all do the intro is at the beginning so we can get a sense of if there are people who are not that and just like cut people off and then when Jeremy is doing the facilitating the discussion then he'll like he'll know because we did the intros already if like this person's not a committee chair or is not on a committee or for whatever reason to be able to facilitate in a way that would cut that off right okay the another question again procedural is Jeremy who are going to have a list of the committees and just go down and call on people are we going to say okay who's next because that's kind of a waste of time yeah no for the intro is for sure of calling on people I'm that's one of yeah we've all been to too many bad you know Zoom meetings so so I think if you know you're up next kind of thing is if it's going to be an order and and someone's going to be calling on people that's that's fine just move that'll move things a little more yeah well just ask another procedural question looking through the item three where we have the discussions where there are four four questions for each committee and the last one is what questions do you have for other committees that's where I can see things just simply for you know what what's gonna happen with that and do you want to you know gather gather those questions and then come back to them when everyone is finished reporting and then that would open the floor to a much more free-form kind of discussion or do you do you want to move everyone through all of these or you know at one time this Jeremy facilitating this section and I do wonder if he's got a plan plan for it you know and if you're like we have this much time for the discussion writ large and then if he's like here's how I was thinking if he's gonna like have people put things in the chat or like write things down or you know if there's like a way that he's thinking of facilitating it to be able to move through these questions in a more timely format I think I'm just like in looking over kind of like the overview and stipends overview like I think the whole first section could take like 15 minutes or less and then we could have like a good chunk of time for the actual discussion and you know it'd still be a lot if all 42 people show up but like or it still could be a lot if 20 people show up but like I yeah I think we just to check in with him about his facilitation plan does that make sense or um well I mean yeah unless anybody has a preference I guess it's okay I mean my preference would be to keep track of the questions that others have and then come back to them yeah some of them may overlap and we and we might be able to just you know sort of get get get chunks of things for for discussion and move on and there they're keeping time would be more crucial because you want to get through the list of questions that you have and never thought of timekeeping as being such a yeah so many implications for how things go but but I think with only an hour and a half we really have to be careful how to manage things that look on the surface to be open-ended yep no that's that's that's important um okay to do a report back we're Pellan, Lauren, Cameron anything else well is it okay if I talk with Jeremy am I allowed to do that oh I think that's important yeah Cameron or what are the what are the rules on that I can do it okay yeah you can talk to him I will I will send him an email and ask about his plan for yeah I would be awesome thank you so much I'm sorry uh to poise that on you while the rest of us were doing our prep work so I just I pulled this together so I can definitely add in I mean I'll make it more pretty too it's like black and white here but to help me get my head on board here but of like having our agenda and then just doing some quick overviews um of like welcomes and just calling on people moving it along moving it along and then kind of the overview of who we are of just sharing a little bit about our history our funding um that we kind of gone through this equity assessment project and kind of just like very briefly we found the finest here are some general findings there was a bunch of recommendations like don't read this slide I don't know if this is even helpful to say or just to say here's the link to the report and then to just talk about like the next steps and this is where I just wanted to check in on two questions is like the immediate next steps is like we updated the website to have more accessible history but like have we updated the website to be more accessible in other ways that's still on the docket right that's still in in the works it's mostly looking at you Cameron sorry what was the question I apologize oh no I've got like the website to be updated to be more accessible oh yeah I can talk about that we right yeah yeah well that's just like I don't think we need to like run through it all these all in depth but just to be like we're working on it it's happening right like that's kind of the update but do you want to give us the in-depth answer now yeah uh there's not really an in-depth answer where we are currently waiting to make sure that the you know uh what's the word I'm looking for um I don't I'm blanking because it's very early um you can't recall the budget after the 31st you can't anyway we're waiting for that but after that we've been talking to a couple different companies about what it would take to completely rehaul overhaul the website from square one uh while keeping um sort of the historical documents um there so there'll be a lot of um space and time to talk about what the website needs it would be a hundred percent ADA accessible at that point and um what else I think one of the biggest things we can point to is Michael's work right now on the history section that was a big deal yeah that was huge yeah but right just like oh right there's the other pieces of that too cool and um you could also talk about we for that first bullet we do have a language line inside the city we do have that ability yeah and then anything else for the um yeah like the police department of like saying like yeah there's not like a social recurrence that was like in the works before this was happening but that's something that's happened coming out of this is there any other kind of like report backs of what's been happening here i'm like embarrassed that i don't know this off the top of my head or anything else that we should share here um you could also talk about ordinance review has been scheduled with council like public safety ordinance review and then we also have funding for another peer support outreach worker which is different than a social worker and so i always have one public safety what what ordinance review or it's been scheduled with council and then a couple other i mean we have now a new um community resource officer mike philbrick is now sort of institutionalized that's gone institutionalized means so lots of things for things organizationalized operationalized operationalized where i'm looking for i'm doing it i'll let you all to know that i am not a morning person uh i noticed in the paper that the bids are going out for a body camera body-worn cameras oh yes that is true yes does that mean that protocols have already that the public chief has drafted protocols and guidelines for the use yes i think so okay most of those go straight to bill for review so um i would have to check on that i can write a note to check on that yeah and just fyi about we were approached to have an opinion about that a few you know back in 2018 2019 and we uh dug into it a lot as a committee but did not make any recommendations and then this council pulled the pulled the pulled the conversation so yeah that's where our organizational history is at that um okay but anything else for this kind of like i think just very high level like here's the big recommendations that they make here's what's happened so far here's what's still happening now over to stipends does that make sense five minutes or less cool and so then stipends will go over to lauren if you want to do have anything i can put some slides in if that's helpful yeah i mean i can work on the side i was like working on just writing up my computer does this weird thing right just goes blank for word documents every few minutes um so yeah it's it's great um so i was just uh writing up like how i would say it and i can like drop some um actually i can can i share my screen i can just this is like a very rough beginning sketch um yeah you should be able to is that viewable okay so um yeah i was just starting to write out so i'm sorry if this is really small to read um so like the stipends as shana was just saying core recommendation based on you know and i assume you'll talk about how that was like lots of outreach and input went into forming that just so people know that they should take those recommendations seriously and that you know the access issues i don't have i need to like i'll dig out the memo that we wrote i was just doing this off the top of my head so i'll i'll do that and incorporate and make this better but you know basically just like explaining a little bit of the why and that this is something that other communities that the state already does this um and that this council decided to make 30 000 available for this year and um make clear that we viewed this as a pilot project so it's going to be really important to be getting the input from all the committees on what's working what isn't so that we can improve the program over time um i think however we want to say that um in a way um and then how will work a lot of this i was assuming Cameron would have the actual details on but um and i don't know if this is accurate but that it would be like made clear on application materials that this is available and then when you're kind of getting after you're appointed then you would work with city staff to like work through the paperwork to make that accessible but that it's available to anyone um upon request and i couldn't remember did we decide we're just doing it for like the mandatory city committees to start or we're just making it available and we'll just run out of money at some point if we do if we get taken up a lot okay um that was as far as i got so i'll take the memo i couldn't find anyway i'll look at the memo and flesh this out a little but is that like more or less the kind of thrust of what i should okay i think i'm just also just saying i can put this in the slide too but i think like $50 per person per meeting is the only like a thing that i think is missing here of just like critical information yeah but right that'll be in the info too cool and then over to Cameron for the finance pieces tvd and then over to Jeremy for the discussion and then over to Pellin for next steps if you have anything yeah i just uh post something on um on the chat um i am i'm a fellow in one of the national leadership program and most of the topics are we are talking about DEI mostly right and uh last i think two weeks ago we have trainings saturday and sunday all day and they mentioned uh we had i think gas speaker and they mentioned this project and i thought it will be interesting for us it's called language verman language justice project so they are doing what we are trying to do and discuss before so 12 different languages and they are trying more inclusive environment uh for those languages i don't know maybe we can connect uh with them invite one of the people to our meetings work with them i don't know i just want to bring it up because in our next step i saw that language piece so i just want to mention i think it's pretty cool and i didn't know this i said what people are doing this it is so cool so um i just want to throw it to you and we can discuss in the picture if you want i don't know about this either very cool so anything else for the prep for the april 11th meeting i hear michael it's going to connect with jeremy um i'm going to make this slide deck a little bit more aesthetically uh pleasing and to prep a little bit more for my sections um and then and learn to look over the materials and prep those pieces um yeah was there anything else that we should check in on as a full team or or things to name cool uh all right so then i think yeah i'm just like committee on committees oh no that's i can't read my notes here uh self-education learning roundtable report back from other committees um and council um and any other business to check in on just kind of throw them all out there well we sort of discussed the elks club property meeting so there'll be another one of that um and like i said that'll be at the april 20th i guess would that be when it is yeah uh council meeting okay april 20th we'll be talking about the planning process um in regards to the elks property put it on my work calendar sorry here we go i also immediately have an update for the body worn camera stuff i sent chief a message and was like what's the policy discuss like where's that at and he says there's a statewide body worn camera policy that we will be like we'll have to adopt that's currently undergoing visions with the vermont criminal justice committee and so we'll have more information soon and shana just to your point about like there was a whole community discussion and it kind of got stalled out because of like privacy and other policies and then the state did a lot of work so when the police review committee looked into it it was like okay they finally have figured out a bunch of those issues and so like and michael correct me or thank you for the reminder about the police review city the whole conversation had evolved to a point where we felt comfortable and that's like we had made the recommendation that we should adopt them and that the we should use those policies that seems like they were addressing the concerns like eclu and other groups and stuff have like been involved so that group had felt comfortable with where things had evolved thanks for that context too i was just like it feels important to share that we spent a lot of time on this and then of course many many other people spent a lot of time on this too so cool yes yeah there was a lot of work based on all those issues that were raised yeah cool just didn't okay i'm gonna remind me um didn't uh counselor jennifer morton just like say she was interested in joining this committee oh um i think she had if so we should invite her we should yes i i kind of i think she did probably i'm sorry if i yeah no i it just popped into my head i saw your thing like we're seeking new members and you were correct she did and i apologize for that she she did ask to be on that in the last council meeting and so i apologize and we'll add her to the list awesome that's exciting um well great okay so we will meet again on april 6th which is one more meeting before our april 11th meeting and then yeah monday april 11th we've got our meeting at 5 30 oh man and now looking at my calendar i'm also i'm flying back on i'm taking monday off and i'm flying most of the morning and so just i'll i'll prep everything so that just in case you know all the flight shenanigans go horribly awry someone can pick it up and go to but hopefully that that won't happen because i'll be so prepared but if i'm not prepared then it will happen you know it's like a murphy's law situation shana just for um prepping slides logistics like either i'm just trying to think of how i can get my slide info to you in an efficient way do you want me to just send bullet points at some point that you could put into like the same format and the google doc or make it a google slideshow thing that we can yeah i made it also google slideshow and i did just email it out i believe hold on though i know we get it offline so you should be able to make edits and also i recognize that that's not how everyone likes to work so feel free to just send me bullet points or yeah you can't you can't actually group edit a document that constitutes a legal but i think we can we can do it when we're online together so like i could bring that i could bring bullets in the next meeting drop them in you guys could look at them or something yes so people should individually mail please stuff to shana if you want to include it before the next meeting but we can work on it collectively at your next meeting rather than editing it and i will um between meetings okay or like if it's your document shana now like we just can't also edit it got it thank you sorry i should remember that by now yep it's okay all right i haven't caught up to the changing technology in any way so anyone with the link can be a viewer great viewer but i can't edit okay sorry about that love google docs love public meeting laws customize the challenges transparency yeah great thank you all sorry this meeting um could have been could have been better so we'll we'll be better prepped for two weeks okay thank you all see you thanks good to see you all