 Without further ado, I'm going to call the Board of Finance to order at 535 P.M. The first item on the agenda is the agenda. I would entertain a motion on the agenda jumping that the mayor has asked us to make one amendment and that is to add a verbal update on BTD cares at the end of the agenda. Would anyone be willing to make that motion? I'll move the agenda as amended. Thank you, Councillor Barlow. Is there a second? Thank you, Councillor Chen. All in favor, feasting aye. Aye. Any opposed? And that motion carries unanimously. And the second item is a verbal update from Chief and Spencer and Megan Moyer on the unfortunate Winooski River sewer main break and related expenses. Would you like to kick it off, Director Spencer? Thank you very much, CAO Schott. Yes, I would. Thanks for the opportunity to be in front of you this evening. There is no action that we're requesting this evening. Division Director Megan Moyer is on the phone and will be jumping in momentarily. But given the importance of this sewer main break and the speed at which we are moving and the fact that there isn't another Board of Finance meeting for another month, we felt it was important to get in front of you and explain our strategies and the likely asks that you will be seeing in front of you in August for a lot of work that will already have been done. So as you all know on July 12th in the early morning, we noticed that there was a significant drop in flows into our North wastewater treatment plan. And we quickly jumped into action and identified the problem and have been working ever since on a three pronged response. Reducing the flows, rerouting the flows and repairing the infrastructure. We are very quickly advancing the reduce and rerouting portion of our strategies here. Reducing, we've asked for a conservation of the eastern part of the New North End for households and businesses in that sewer shed. But we are also contracting with a company with pumper trucks to work 24-7 to remove as many flows from that sewer shed as possible. That contract will be executed this week. The 14 day cost for that work is going to be around $210,000. And so we wanted you to know of that expense. Simultaneously, and Megan, thank you for putting up the picture here. As you'll note, the mainline we're talking about is there in purple that Megan is highlighting with her pointer. It has two river crossings as it flows from the right side of the screen by the Heineberg Bridge across landing pollchester over to North Plant. And it is the second crossing adjacent to North Plant where all signs are indicating that we have a break. As people may recall, in 2006, we had a break on that first crossing that Megan is highlighting and was repaired with a directional drilling underneath a river at that time. So in addition to the pumping of the pumper trucks which will cost around $200,000 for the 14 days, we are then moving very quickly as a matter of fact, construction started today on a bypass piping system. And Megan is showing the root of that, showing from the last manhole before it dives under the river running largely through the city's right of way and along the right of way to North Plant. So around 5,000 feet of HDPE piping and that construction started today. We are working with our on-call contractor ECI to get this work done. We are expecting that this project is gonna cost approximately a half million dollars. Until that work is done, we will be continuing to run the pumper trucks 24-7. And together these two projects will cost approximately $700,000. We've been working carefully with CAO Shad, with our FEMA in-house experts and also with a consultant out of house to make sure we're collecting the right information and getting the right documentation in order to best our chances to get reimbursed. There are two very fortuitous things. One is the council just approved two months ago, a hazard mitigation plan for the city that helps the reimbursement rate for FEMA or any damages in the city of Burlington. So that's positive. And the second thing was that we inspected the sewer main underneath the river with divers just last month and found no major findings. So the city has been testing that line through dye testing twice a year plus periodic diving. So we've done our duty to manage and steward this resource. So it is not because of lack of work that we have found ourselves in this situation. Given the 700K, we're expecting to expand it and the potential that if we can get divers into the river, such that we find that there is a cheap interim repair on the pipe itself with welding or a sieve or some other solution, we could be coming to you in August with a million dollars after the fact requests. We know this is moving quickly, but the public health and safety of the community is our top priority here. And given that you're not meeting again for a month, we wanted to come in front of you. The Vice Director Megan Moyer, anything you wanna add? Nope, I think you covered it, Chapin. I'm just here to answer any questions that the Board of Finance might have with regard to all of the goings on. And I guess I'd also like to thank my staff, a emergency of this size and proportion. We would not have been able to move as quickly as we've been able to move on multiple fronts, except for the fact that the mayor and you all have supported us adding technical staff just in true reality. Like, I don't think we would even be anywhere near where we are in this moment today, less than a week out, actively managing best of our abilities, the leak, and already in motion on a very good solution that's gonna handle the majority of the flows under most circumstances with the bypass pumping. So I just wanted to say thank you on our behalf of our staff for supporting us and building the team. That's right. You might wanna take down the image just so we can see folks. Sorry, I just wanna add to that that Chapin, Megan, their team put together this basically three-part plan. Yeah, basically a strong outline where it's just headed, but it's done by the end of the first day after the breach had taken place. And so it's, I do appreciate the effort that's gotten on multiple fronts to manage the situation in a really strong way. So thank you. Well, and Mr. Wildings here, there is information online as well for the public. I forgot to mention that in my remarks. So go to DPW's main website and there's a whole host of resources. Sorry, President Palmer. That's okay. Just wanted to say I do appreciate reaching out to me last week and not delaying and bringing this forward now. Even though we only have one council meeting, we do have at least a board of finance meeting and this is an opportunity to get it out. And also to just mention that I did see this one from Workform. So if the public doesn't wake up every morning and run to the city website to check on what's going on in their city, on the off chance that they don't do that, they now will have the ability to check it out in front of Workform, which they probably are more inclined to read. So I think that was a great way of getting forward. Any other questions, discussion? Go ahead, Councillor Brock. Yes, I was just wondering if there's any indication of the reduction requests have worked at all to reduce flow? We know that the pumper trucks certainly are drawing flow. Megan, I don't know if through our cages at the plant, we've noticed anything. We wouldn't have noticed it at the plant. I think our estimates, it bounces back and forth. We are able to divert or pump and haul at least, why I guess once they dump it in, off to see if that's a good way to keep track of it. Based on our calculations and the number of loads that the trucks are hauling, we know that we can get at least 175,000 gallons. Over the weekend, at least over one 24-hour period, because it depends on the amount of traffic that's flowing down the truckers, we were able to get up to 230,000 gallons. So we're grabbing as much as we possibly can. At this point, we still estimate that it's about 350 to 400,000 during dry weather conditions that is going into the river. The overall volume is going to be more during a storm event because this is a combined sewer system. And we actually are having staff go out to, we know where the remaining catch basins are that tie into the system. And we're actively working to plug those so that the water will pond slightly and run down, like run down the street, particularly in areas where we have a separate storm sewer system to kind of try to divert flows away from this line. But during storm events, that's the one piece where the emergency bypass pumping solution may not be able to get it all. We were limited in the elevation and size of line and so on and so forth. So we're gonna be pumping as much as we possibly can, but there's a couple of things remain to be seen once we get this thing in place and it's working in real time. But once we have the pumping situation in place during dry weather conditions, we anticipate that we will be fully diverting all of the sewage away from this area. So I don't know if that answers your question. And I guess not the question. So over two weeks, we have the pumper truck work and then after that, we think that the temporary line will be in place to basically do the same function as the pumping. Correct. Yes. Okay, thank you. It's much better but doing the same general function of hauling wastewater from that eastern side of New North End to the plant. Getting it all right now. We're not getting it all with the pumper truck. We're doing sort of the best that we can and we're also trying to kind of right size things and that's why we move so fast. Obviously the Winooski is still flowing high. There's still a ton of things in the Winooski. We absolutely wanna make sure that by the time flows sort of return to normal and the system's kind of flushed itself. And now we're one of the only things that is now adding pollution that we have that emergency bypass in place which would be capturing all of the flows during a dry weather condition. We're also hoping within, not soon after or soon after we have the emergency bypass pumping in place and charge the line and turn on the pump. We're hoping that the divers, we've already contacted them. They're ready to go. As soon as we say go and as soon as the water levels have dropped and the water clarity has returned, getting them in there isn't gonna help much if they can't see anything and there's still much sediment. The initial inspection isn't gonna cost that much. It's really what they find. The other piece that we're doing, I believe with tomorrow, if not Wednesday is that we've already died tested from the, I'm gonna share my screen again. We've already died tested from the section close to the plant. We've put dye in here and we did see dye appear along this side of the bank. Our next step is to put dye in upstream and to one, confirm. We don't believe there's any good reason why this would happen but confirm that there's no break on this section because that was directionally drilled in 2006 and a 20 feet under the bottom of the river but this was a massive event so things can happen. But what we're hoping to determine if we put in dye over here is if we see dye in that same location and we'll believe that it's more of a spot break versus if we see dye appear further out in the middle of the river or on the other bank then we're gonna have a bigger situation on our hands letting us know that there's either multiple breaks or potentially that a whole section of the pipe has been washed away, which we're hoping that's not the case. We're hoping it's just a small break on one side. Thanks, Mike. Thank you, Megan. Any further questions? Mr. Jack. This is our comment. Thank you so much. Thank you for the communication. We're very happy to see you in the middle of the bank. And we're just wondering, knowing that there are opportunities to be young, so you better, instead of preparing to do this, we'll come back instead of piling dye in the middle of the bank. So can it be right and maybe that's right. So Councillor Chang brings up a really good point in that once we get the bypass piping in place and that we're managing 100% of flows on normal days, then that will buy us a little time to evaluate alternatives and having a diver down and giving us information about a temporary patch. It's gonna be helpful. Maybe there's a way to put a collar sleeve on the pipe and while we explore, do we directionally drill this crossing? Do we abandon this crossing and do a pipe landslide? This plant is right next to a bend in the river. Is this the best location for the North plant for the coming decades? We're planning already to look at rehabilitating our wastewater plants across the city. This is gonna have to be part of the puzzle. So as I've committed to a number of New North Fed residents who've already proactively reached out, I said we will not just try to fix what's there without doing a study of what the various alternatives are. And I know Megan's fully supportive of that path too and you have our commitment that we'll take this unfortunate incident as an opportunity to work there. The request to the neighbors, will you be able to lift it anytime soon for some people or will you need to be on the bus? The conservation request. We are gonna have that in place for that entire sewer shed until we get the bypass pumping in place, which is expected to be another 10 days to 14 days. No, we will still be requesting people to conserve... I believe we can talk about it, but during the bypass pumping to make sure that we're able to fully capture, particularly during peak flows, it may move to only conserving when there's a rain event. So we need to play that out, but we'll be evaluating when we can lift that conservation notice, but it's a little bit up in the air. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman. Megan, thank you for zooming in well, being a way to brief us on the part of this discussion. We will have a further update and possibly action on next Monday's city council to make sure we think that's gonna be before... The plan is for August. If the Board of Finance and City wants to consider, I doubt we'll be ready for the next Monday's council meeting. Okay. So thank you. There's some material change between now and next Monday, we can make it done. That's correct. I envision us communicating with council as we've done and continuing to do so outside of meetings and making all the information available on the website, so the public's calling for us. And to that, thanks, Robbie Wilding, for your ongoing effort to keep the community well informed. Thanks. Great. Thank you, Team DPW. We will close it out now and we're not done to pull the form yet. We're not doing public forum much, so looking in the room, I'm not seeing a lot much confirmed and no interest in the form of the room, it's on my line. Yes. Okay. Sharon Busher is trying to ask by Zoom and as our hand raised, Sharon, go ahead. Thank you. And I wanted to speak to two items on consent and then I had a question. And a thank you for Catherine. But the two items on consent that I wanted to speak and support of is CJC's Department of Correction Grant for reentry education. I just know from long ago when I was married, my husband did a lot of work getting people trained so that they would be successful once they came out of prison and could have a job. And I just think this is such an important part of rehabilitation to give people a feeling of satisfaction and pride in the fact that they can support themselves. So that's something that I wanted to speak in support of. I'm sure since it's on consent, there's no controversy but I thought it needed to be highlighted. The second thing is the Legacy Fund. There's a memo for you. And I don't know why I kind of mother this fund and I've been involved with the Conservation Board discussion regarding this proposed change which really talks about taking... So there's 30% of it goes for stewardship and then 70% was for land acquisition. And what this is asking is that 70% now be divided as 40% for land acquisition and 30% for nature-based climate solutions. And I totally support this proposal. Initially, I had reservations, especially with the pace of development and conversion of open space to structures. But I agree with the importance of nature-based climate solutions. So, and I also feel that a move like this needing your approval is also subject to change and spoke about how you start out and you see if this ratio works and if it does, wonderful. If it needs to be tweaked, if it needs to be increased or changed, whatever the ratio needs to, whatever needs to happen to it, it's not in cement, it's flexible. And so, and I hope that people will look at it and see if it's the right ratio. I understand right now, there's a healthy balance in the fund for land acquisition, but I wanna recall for some of the people in the room that when Eric Ferrell's project came forward and we wanted to buy some of those acres, we depleted that fund. And so I think that, you know, you wanna be ever mindful of opportunities. I know people feel there aren't opportunities like that in the future, I'm not certain if that's true. But I do know that this fund is not only for large land mass acquisitions, but it's also for small little pocket parks and small spaces. And I would say these, as I'm gonna define them, breathing spaces will become more and more important as we develop more fully the city. So I want that money to be available. It gives open space a chance to exist because developers have funds and open space didn't and open space doesn't have a voice, the conservation board and the community is that voice. So I just wanted to speak to that. And the last thing is Catherine, when I was talking about the budget and concern about taxation, you gave an estimate for or not, it wasn't an estimate, but it had to do with, I think $370,000 home or something like that. And, you know, you came up with a dollar amount. Now, my property is valued at 390,000. I'm sharing it with the world, but my municipal tax was turned out to be 172.74 increase. So Catherine, you were spot on as far as I'm concerned with what you thought the impact would be. Now, why am I bringing this up in the state and the education tax? There was an increase also. Those two increases together came out to an increased tax of $404, yet I'm having to pay an additional $730 per year and I'm confused. So I wondered if the mayor or Catherine or somebody could point me to who I should speak to about this discrepancy between the amount of taxes that have increased and why the dollar amount is more in my total tax bill. I know this isn't a conversation, Mr. Mayor, but if someone could shoot me an email or however you wanna do it, I'd be very appreciative. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Sharon, for all of that. Catherine is nodding and I think we're gonna follow up with you on your request. Is there anyone else online interested in speaking to the board? I don't believe so. So I'm gonna close the public forum and we will move then to the consent agenda. We, as happens during these summer meetings when we are meeting less frequently, we have a long agenda tonight. There's been an attempt to limit our deliberate items, just 15 of them. And so we do have this consent agenda here. Are we ready for a motion from the board on the consent agenda? On the consent agenda is indicated on Civic Clerk. Great. Thank you, Councilor Barlow. I guess we're gonna get a piece too. So I used to that on Civic Clerk. Is there a second? Second by Councilor Chang. Any discussion of the consent agenda? President Powell? Yes, I just wanted to know I won't be voting on item number two, because I wasn't here. Okay. How would you... Can you just note that I just know it wasn't present. Okay, yeah, thank you. Okay, any further discussion of motion? Seeing none, we will go to a vote. All those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. All right, the consent agenda passes. Sorry, anyone opposed? No, the consent agenda passes unanimously. And that we can now jump all the way down to 5.1-1, which is the... Two elements or one of us are over here. So 5.1-1, which is the creation of two new water distribution, fuel technician position, a lot of resources, and the big classification item number two within this item is reclassification of the water distribution working form and position. Chief, do you wanna share some quick summary remarks that comes up? Yeah, so I'm gonna turn it over to Mr. Director Macon-Wyer. Macon. Yes, there's two components to this item as you hopefully recall during the FY24 budget process, we had had Restelus come in and make some staffing recommendations on a number of sort of themes. One of the particular themes that they found both in wastewater as well as water distribution was that our current number of staffing was not accounting for accurate labor yield, which is sort of a fancy way of saying we've got, we need a crew of four in order to do work. We in theory have two crews of four, we have eight people, but when you start to factor in the fact that people have babies and need training and are out on vacation, we functionally don't usually have two crews of four, and thus are not able to accomplish the work that is necessary in a safe manner. And so as part of the budget and as part of that recommendation for Restelus, we are proposing to add two additional positions, AFSCME positions to that work group. The second piece is a reclassification of the water distribution working foreman position and also retitling to a non-gendered form of working for a person versus foreman. And that was actually requested by the two people who were in that position back in January. It took us a little while to have time to take a look at the job description, bring it fully up to date with the duties that they are accomplishing and then have it graded by the HR grading committee, which did find that it should be graded at one grade higher at a grade 17 versus a grade 16. Since an amount of time has passed, they are owed retro pay back to that original request. And so our request includes paying up to 500 or $5,500 of retro active pay. The final amount will be calculated by payroll because these employees do do a fair amount of overtime. So it's not as simple as just calculating the number of 40 hour weeks at that time. Thanks, SOTI, for being on the HR side. Great. Thank you, Megan. Jacob, floor is open for questions or a motion from the board as a public. Thank you. I don't have any questions. I did make a motion as recommended in board dogs. I'll second that. Thank you, Councilor McGee. Discussion, we'll go to a vote. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion carries again. Thank you all. Thank you. Okay, 5.2 authorization for public improvement bonds for school district capital improvements. Related to March. Some teeth for authorization. Do you want to add anything to this? I would like to suggest if it is okay with the board, as I mentioned in my memo, that we consider this and the next four items as a slate because this is kind of our regular practice of approving resolutions for annual borrowing. So I'll just briefly walk through them and we have Darlene Baker from the CT's office joining us on Zoom as well. She's taken on a lot of these responsibilities with some transitions in the clerk's office. The first resolution is for our regular $7 million of annual borrowing, $2 million for us, $2 million for school and $3 million for BED. The second resolution is essentially the same thing but as you may recall last year instead of doing long-term bonding for that $7 million we decided to do a short-term note that comes payable after one year. So we're refinancing that $7 million. Item number three is a part of the $23.8 million capital improvement bonds from March of 2022. We've been taking that money in chunks as we need it and we anticipate needing $5 million this year. Number four is $2 million for the school, for the Integrated Arts Academy. You may or may not remember, it feels like a hundred years ago to me, a bond approved in 2017 for a total of $19 million. The school has not spent very much of that but needs the $2 million now for this project at IAA. And then the last item also for the school, no one can forget the $165 million that the voters authorized. At this point, we've been working with the school, they only need $130 million and that includes a refinancing of $40 million that you have already approved. And then we have resolutions for all five and if there are any questions, I am happy to answer them. Thank you. Under the fault. Thank you. So we're talking, so $165, now we're, so we're 35 away from the $165, is, yeah, I didn't, I wasn't at the school board being 6, so I'm not aware of what decisions were made. Is there, has there been continuing discussions given of the money that the state as, included in the last year's budget, has there been any new estimates on how much of the $165 they're actually trying to be looking for? It is my understanding that at this point, they only feel that they will need the $130 million. Is that Darlene or Mayor, do you know something? Darlene. I don't believe that's a final fact. There's still major contracts that are a major contract is a final that hasn't come in yet. Great. Darlene, go ahead. I was just gonna say that we're still looking at their spend schedule. So it's possible that they may not take the full 130 right now, but we haven't worked out their spend schedule because there's been some delays. What Superintendent Flanagan has indicated to me is that so far things are going fairly well. We had a successful securing of $16 million, I believe it was for cleanup. The first, there are three major construction contracts. Two of them are in and on budget. The third one though is the biggest one in that one. It's not due back until later this summer. So there's still some uncertainty about exactly where the projects are going to end up. Do you have to know when that contract is going to be coming back? I think August or September, that's my memories that I had time for. I mean, a lot of the plans that the city has, this is sort of the lynch plan holding just many things and our ability to realize some of the goals that we might have and to be able to do that sooner rather than later if we can at least start that process. So if it turns out that of 165, they need 125, that's big news and news that we'd love to have sooner rather than later. So I'm just wondering if that's, you know, I think that would be great. I think there's a maybe we could plan an update at some time in the audience. Yeah, are we still trying to coordinate with the school district that was the plan was. I don't think it's the date. I think more so than having a get together would just simply be if, you know, if Tom is willing to come to a meeting and give us an update. And, you know, it made me, he made me until September and that's fine. That's, I'd rather, we'd rather of course get accurate information up to date than have, you know, sort of, this may happen kind of then. And in addition to having get together with the school, the school board, which would be nice. And we missed that because it was supposed to be the 26th of June. So it's hard to schedule things in the summer. Yeah, I agree. I think it is just to be clear. I think we are a considerable period of time from knowing solely between the main campus project and the airport construction and the, as well as a session where there's going to be attempt to secure additional money for technical education. I think we're some time, I can certainly make a period of time before we're able to sort of bank on anything, savings from that 365 authorized. Certainly agree it is very much the whole focus of a huge effort to try to do that. And so far, things are good. But I think we're some time from knowing whether we're going to be able to approve on that or not. Okay. Were you, I apologize, were you finished with your questions? I had lots. Okay. All right. Well, if you're more than happy to, unless somebody else says, I mean, we can have other questions. I mean, I'm happy to make the motion. It's recommended smoothly. Five, it's a, yes, yes, five, but sort of a five agenda items. Second. Thank you, Councilor Jackson. Thank you, President Paul. Any further discussion? So I've seen them, we will go hands we're going to go to a vote. All those are fairly motion please say aye. Aye. Are they opposed? Motion carries unanimously. And great. That brings us, I believe, to item number seven. Yes. Which is the classification, the titling, one position, the attend, the parks department, that manager position, and, yeah, so we have Cindy here to at least see us and let us work done. You guys were chatting that whole and I heard Perkst for a while. Yes. They're here. Celery to the first six items. Incoming by surprise. So this one is for the physician, correct, sorry, again, I was just yes, this is the awarding classification retitling of the event manager. Thank you, because we have other items on the agenda. Yes, so this is retitling that is our event position. So we just had to learn and this is putting that position in the similar alignment is other event positions throughout the city. It's kind of the basics of it. And we'll, KJ will be putting more focus also on the sponsorship and this part of the agreement with. Chief. Great, thank you, Cindy. Floor is open for questions. Oh, actually. That's good. But I have to write, how did you manage to replace it by the doubt? Very right, you think that has that's a good question. We have has always been our standard practice, but it is one that certainly looking to the beginning of July that certainly back is just it would be open to that. Yeah, I just appreciate that. Yeah, thank you. What is it? Yeah, it's coming. Good work. I'll be the main promotion. Let's thank you. That's Jane to a second. Oh, second that. Thank you. That's McGee further special. Thank you. The only question that I have and it's not directly related to this. I mean, I vote for this. So it just seems so we have one, two, three, four. We now have four events planners in the city. And sort of it, I guess, I'm a little bit at a loss. I don't know why we don't have a Department of Events planning or all four events planners aren't working together. I can't believe that there are redundancies and I find it hard to believe there couldn't be greater efficiency. I mean, I'll vote for it now, but I don't really agree with this approach. I think that we need to. Just like just like we're regrading a position because the others are all at that different position. In fact, one of them is at a grade 18, the other two at 17. And I certainly understand why someone who's doing comfortable work wants to be at the same rate. That's completely understandable. I'm just sort of just sort of feel like we probably could be a little bit more well coordinated if we were all working together. Yes, President Paul. So of course, explicitly in my budget memo, this is one of the areas that we have called out that we're going to look for. We want to do this. You may recall a couple years ago when we brought forward a plan to study it then and there was a tremendous pushback from the council over the idea because there was a concern about somehow that undermining REIB that there be any centralization of event planning. So I am thrilled that the council is now in a very different place. And then when we first brought this idea up, it was made pretty remarkable to be the level push up back we got at the time. And I'm excited about the thought of moving forward. Just now it is something that's over to do. It should have happened before. I think the difference now versus what it was then was basically that there was there was a there was a very different narrative at that time. I don't may have suggested the rest, but there was there was the intent exactly to say that that may be. But the way that it was brought forward would not come through in the same narrative that we are having today. I voted for I voted to keep that. I voted against it the last time. And I know why I voted against it the last time. And I think I had good reasons to do that. This is a segment of vote because as well, we didn't we didn't vote on it because it probably never got to that point. And I guess the point is that, you know, if if if there are if people are working together and there was no. Concern about people usurping other people's authority and taking away things from people that are in a better position to to do that work, then I think we should look into something like they look into some sort of consolidation. Great, I don't believe there wasn't ever any legitimate concern about usurpation, but there certainly was believed by some that somehow that was an issue. Again, glad to be moving forward on this now with consensus that it makes sense to be as efficient as possible about this. I'll let you get the last word. Excellent. Certainly is a it's a touchy point within the administration to get a message. Any further discussions? Yes, it is. When would we know exactly about the efficiency study? And so as you know, we are just a few weeks from having passed the budget authorizing this and CEO and I have already met, I believe twice to discuss how we're going to approach this. And I believe we will you're meeting again this week and we will be in position to lay out the plan for the study specifically, as well as for the other budget work that we are very serious on following up on. And that we really absolutely think it's critical to get done in the first six months of this year. So we're in a position to to act on the next year's budget. See, Sean is already just forgot the email. Be ready. So I think we have a first and a second. Sure, if we vote it on the second. Yeah, I think that's right. So if there's no further discussion, we'll go to vote. All those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Are there any opposed? Most of Paris brings us to number eight with an authorization to execute a contract with alert enterprises for that the management software suite and an associated professional services. Welcome, Nick. Go ahead and kick this one. Thank you, mayor. I'm actually going to hand it right over to Dave Carmen. He's the deputy director of AVH operations and also at our airport security court. So what this is, this is a identity management software suite. It's a contract for five years, duration first year is eighty six eighty two, six, twenty. And then every subsequent year is forty eight and six hundred. And what it does allows us to be greatly more efficient with badging process at the airport. And reason being is that there's a lot of different places we draw from, pretty information. Somebody gets a new badge for the airport. We have about eighteen hundred badges that we had to process for a year and we have badging appointments to go from ten a.m. until four p.m. one day through Friday. So it's a huge amount of time that we take in order to they'll take to process these badges and this will greatly increase the efficiency. We have to do the FBI background check as well as the TSA website. But it doesn't pulse everything together as well as it allows us to to audit the badging. So not only is it a efficiency increase, also increases our ability to implement audits to make sure that we have the security that audits are needed for TSA inspectors, FAA inspections. So it also allows us to get rid of all the badging paperwork that we do. Right now we have eighteen hundred badge folders in a file cabinet and it allows us to eliminate all of those. So it's great to finally be able to call to see what the President is regarding that. So I think that's really about it. We have any questions about that? Any questions for the airport? Great for a motion. I'll make the motion as independent as I can. Thank you. Chancellor Barlow. That's great. That's a lot of money. I said that. That's right. You guys said indicate you're right. Now that you're saying that, I realize that you are. You're right. He's our ambassador. Yeah, you're just quicker than me. Motion from Councillor Barlow to the second. Second, Councillor Jane, thank you. Further discussion? Seeing no hands will go to vote. All those appear to the motion. Please say aye. All right, post. Motion carries unanimously. There we go. All right, number nine. So welcome item authorization to accept grant funds for the operation, the online emergency shelter community. It's the housing opportunity grant program. Welcome, Brian. It's positive to see a grant acceptance and a very substantial matter. It is our request to the state of Brian Pine, CWF director. Well, our application to the state of Vermont was for one million four hundred and fifty two thousand. So we have a. Slight short, actually, I may be up a little bit. We have a slight shortfall, but this is really good news because we had council previously allocated some of the arbitral funds around all of this efforts to support this. So we have we have a balance available as well. And we know that the state has referred to our approach as one that they would like to see other communities embracing again. I hope the board is the council's aware of how how hard that C-15, Brian, Sarah, Marcel others continue to work to make the Elboy Avenue project a success. It is a very different undertaking than we thought at least recently. And it's a major responsibility. But it is. Thank goodness we have it given the challenges, pressures that we're we're facing right now. But for the most so. Any questions regarding the grant? That's what I'm happy. Excuse me, I'm happy to make the motion as indicated on Civic Clerk. Thank you. Is there a second? Thank you, President Paul, any further discussion? None. Councilor Jane, we're just about to go to a vote on accepting this grant. Any do you have any questions? OK, it's been. Most of you made a second of the vote. All those are fair in motion. Please say aye. The post. The motion carries unanimously. And thanks again for the good work here. Number 10. Is approval to accept the planning grant for the continued care. And for housing grant agreements, F-224. Brian, why you bring up the street on this? Sure, this is city has access to federal funds. If we do the work required to lay out a plan for how we're going to use those federal funds, and this is entirely focused on serving folks who are experiencing homelessness. So there is a planning function that goes into this. So this is both the planning grant as well as the actual permanent supportive housing funds, which are dollars that provide both the rental assistance and a portion of the services for those who need the rental assistance who are coming out of homelessness. This is literally, if you think of Elmwood as a bridge, this is what the bridge part of what they're bridging to. And our biggest challenge in actually putting the permanent supportive housing dollars on the street, helping people is not enough housing, not enough units to go to. So we have the subsidy, we have the services, but we don't have the housing. So we do struggle with that quite a bit, but we have decent utilization. There are people literally who have vouchers and they can't find their apartment units there, but it's a challenge at once basically. And specifically, instead with the special assistance that homelessness starts focused on and a systemic issue that the kind of systemic issue you create a decision to address. So focused on these crises with the end of the Motel program, setting up Elmwood that got big job ads still there, but certainly everyone can continue looking. I would have to counsel for the board of finance and for those maybe listening is that the continued, the coordinated entry system, think of it as a way to ensure fairness and equity for those who are seeking housing, but we have ramped it up enough that it's housing about 25 households a month are moving from homelessness to housing. It's just that the input, the inflow is still too great for us to completely, you know, turn that into a much smaller number. So the numbers are quite increased a million that it's a Motel program, it's a Motel program that was shut down. Great. Thanks for that summary. Are we ready for a motion? Are there questions? I did make the motion. Sorry, I think. Do we have a motion on the sorry? I know we had the motion that was on the previous item. This is now eight and 10, which is the additional grants. So we have a motion there too. I'm happy to make a motion as indicated on civic clerk. Great. Thank you, councilor Ricky. Do we have a second? Second from councillor Jang. Thank you, discussion. Seeing no hands, we'll go to a vote. All those are fair and motion, please say hi. Hi. Any opposed? Motion carries the nans. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. Item number 11. This is the creation of the executive manager for the police department. I believe a side chief Murat is zooming in from vacation or this item. Thank you, chief. And I will just think this is mentioned in the memo, but I just reiterate this is a position that I've been talking about. We've been talking about it for some time. It was in the public safety, next to next things in public safety plan that I put out in January. The idea with this kind of project management oriented position is that it would help advance special tasks including CNA position as CNA recommendations and the tickets consistent with the significant amount of innovation and reform that the council is looking for to be happening from the police department. So this is my full support. Chief, do you want to add anything to that? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And first of all, thank you to the committee for hearing this request and for giving it due consideration. There's a tremendous amount of change that's going on inside the department. I've shown to this body, to the council as a whole and to the police commission as well, the degree to which our total sort of balance has changed from an organization that was well over three quarters sworn officers and is now a little bit less than two thirds. Those are changes that are in works. We don't see those reversing even as we work hard to build towards the headcount that this body has allotted for the department. We are trying to create these new resources, many of which are not sworn. This position is instrumental in being able to oversee those but more important is some of those but more importantly is instrumental in being able to be a sort of clearing house for the myriad of projects that are going on the myriad of work on addressing recommendations from CNA and the efforts that we're trying to make in order to create a police department that will be in many ways unlike any other police department in the country and really one that is going to speak uniquely to our community and its needs and its desires and hopes. Thank you, Chief. Floor is open for discussion. Go ahead, Councilor McGee. Thank you. My question is just in regards to the funding for this position. I know that the grade is coming in higher than it was budgeted for and just given the concerns that we've had that we had through the budget process, I understand that we've been able to sort of plan on some attrition to savings from attrition to fund additional positions in the past but are we confident that the money is gonna be there to support this position long-term given what we know that future budget years are gonna be tight? I am confident that it will be there certainly through the next two to three fiscal years as it notes in the memo there's another position that is currently unfilled and that will also end up, we believe being changed in grade down so there will be some savings there. We're going to be in the process of hiring for a number of positions right now that are currently occupied or that are budgeted and yet I don't envision us being able to put people into those seats immediately and therefore there's going to be savings there as well. The attrition that's mentioned is not merely the attrition that we achieve by being down by approximately 20 something sworn police officers. There are a number of other positions that we're down on as well. We're working hard to restaff and make fully functional the dispatch center. We're working hard in a lot of these places but for the time being we do have these savings. I'm quite confident that we've got the elbow room to make this position fit for the next two to three fiscal years. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Any further questions or a right for motion? That's a general question. And I think it's about the grading project manager. It was created at 18% and that was actually what you did. Now it's at 21 with the title change but in terms of the duties what has been added to move this to a great point. Exactly. I don't think that was actually graded in grade 18. It was budgeted at a grade 18 as an estimate and then when the job description was written it was then graded as a grade 18 by HR. So it was just an estimate based on during the budgeting process. Yes, it's estimated to be graded but what has changed in between like in terms of the duty? There was no change. I think it was just the estimate was maybe not fully accounting for the responsibilities of this position but the estimate wasn't correct. They were incorrect in anticipating what the grade would be. Yeah, it's my understanding that because and then sorry, I see your hand, Chief that because this is a new role we may have tried to benchmark it to kind of similar roles and then actually upon discussion with HR and the Chief, we realized that the needs were more intense or particular and when it went through the grading process it wasn't such an administrative role. It's really more of a project management role and Chief you probably have more specifics of that. Go ahead. Yeah, thank you so much. And the Chief of Staff is absolutely right. That's sort of the process that was followed that we benchmarked it and put it in as a placeholder. I think that initially we were thinking this is a project manager and therefore something that's really going to be primarily dealing with CNA. It is now as the memo notes, an executive manager that frankly if it weren't for the fact that Chief in the police department or sort of already has an occupant and a name and a terminology that goes with it this would be a Chief of Staff and that's what we're envisioning is a position that's really going to be able to support the Chief, the two deputy Chiefs, the AD CAPE which we have posted and have applicants for and we'll be running the entirety of that part of the police department. And then also be able to sort of not only make certain that their various projects and efforts are being coordinated properly but bringing in or taking on new projects as they are brought to the position by members of the department from both CAPE, from the sworn staff from various other parts of the department. It's a much broader role than I think we sort of initially envisioned and that accounted, I would say for the grading. I wasn't obviously part of the grading team but I do think that that was what factored into that increase. Thank you, Councilor Chang. Seconded by Councilor Barlow for the discussion. We'll vote on the vote. All those in favor of the motion please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, Chief. Thank you and to the body. I'm very grateful. City Hall Elevator Modernization. Thank you. Welcome. And Cindy. You're moral support. Moral support. We are an intimidating group. Hi. Why don't you give us a quick brief on this one? So one of the things that we want to accomplish as soon as possible is to modernize the elevator in this building. The elevator that's here right now was installed in 1978 and it's had one modernization what happened in the mid-90s. Generally speaking, if you went by the book, a modernization last 20 to 25 years and so now we're at 29 years, it's getting tricky. We haven't had any harmful accidents but people have been caught in the elevator and so we'd like to have the modernization done to keep everybody nice and safe, to keep everybody moving efficiently. Excellent. Any questions on the elevator or for motion? No. How many people have these in the elevator? I don't know. How many have you? Never counted. No way. I mean, what's really interesting about this building because of what it was built is that it didn't come in the elevator originally and so to get it from for a public member to get from the ground floor to the second floor, if you don't take the elevator, you have to take the stairs outside which we know in Vermont winters is not necessarily doing something. So that makes it a really big deal in this building. I would also add as someone who works very close to the elevator that we have found a lot of ways to reduce visits to City Hall, like especially during COVID for constituents and paying more bills online and your dog license and all these things. But the people who like to come to City Hall tend to be of an older demographic and they need the elevator. And so I see the elevator getting a lot of use at 12 months a year. And I welcome my, I see some other City Hall colleagues, I see Samantha nodding. So we don't have numbers but I take your point and it is not just sitting there and it's not just me riding up and down this thing. Like there are a lot of citizens who do need it. And from the lawyer's standpoint, you need to be compliant with the ADA and for people who are able-bodied need access to all floors in City Hall. So that's how we do it with our elevator. Let's be working order. Just one notice before one, because we will need to be, there will be much of the length of time that it is but there will need to be some changes because the fact that there will be no working elevator while it's getting repaired. So we'll be needing to make some. We tried to do a really good job explaining that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And in terms of efficiency, the office may be the most visited City Hall, not the mayor's office. It's so slow. Sorry. And maybe for every chance you have, why don't you move the office down a second? I'll see if I can get it. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's okay. Yeah, but I'm happy to make an impression as well. Thank you. So I actually had, this is worth everyone, this detail in the memo of Bremen and Mrs. Worth. So the workaround for the period when we do not have a functioning elevator will be including coordination, notification, signage for employees, public and public meetings for very public meetings will have options to schedule around a month or more when public meetings are formed with the city team to probably move the meetings to a different location. So I mean, because it's that level of seriousness that's when it's out of, you may have to have some public meetings to schedule those for a month or so. Do we have a, how quickly will this work? Start if it's a, it's curved. So the game plan for right now would be that it's going to take probably at least six to eight weeks to get everything in. Based on that, we'll have a conversation before anything actually gets ordered and go, okay, if it's actually going to take eight weeks to get in and then it's going to take three months to build it out. Where does that put us on the calendar? And then get with the city hall team and explain a little bit in more detail. If we do it now, here's what it's going to entail. Would it be better if we waited for another month and pushed it out? So it's just gonna take some talking, but it won't be quickly. You know, we did the one at the elevator, sorry. We did the one at the library about a year or so ago. And it worked out great. It wasn't perfect, you know, people had to shuffle up and down the stairs a little bit. We actually had a contest for people counting steps up and down the stairs and stuff like that to try to make it a little bit more fun. But it took about three weeks per floor. So I'm going to say that's going to be about the same for this building. Yeah, very good. Are you ready? Are there questions or are we ready for motion? We have a first from Councillor Jen. No, I thought the second. Second from President Paul for the discussion. Seeing them, we'll go to the vote. All those in favor of the motion, can you say aye? Aye. Any opposed? The motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Thank you. City Hall exterior restoration. I love this one, I'm so excited about it. So, you take a nice look around the building, you'll notice that it could certainly be some work. One of the major sticking points of this project has to do with the paint. And we've had CEDO lead team do their due diligence and do some lead testing. And we are positive, which is not a surprise based on the age of the building. So, we put out an earth paint and tried to be very efficient in pricing due to what we need. And included metal refinishing and all of the lead paint mitigation, restoring the arched windows on the third floor of City Hall and restoring beautiful wood doors that are on the exterior of this building and lumping it all into one project together so that we don't have to have contractors coming and going and coming and going and spending more money doing all that. And we landed on a very fair bid from a local Vermont company who's done a lot of work with CEDO before and we're gonna be able to do everything that we wanted to including after their three-year warranty is ended, an additional five-year warranty to keep all of the paint and metal finishes and doors working really well and being safe and looking beautiful on half of it. Great. Gosh, I feel like I'm negligent somehow. 11 years, let's try to edit it. I had no idea it was in a kidding way that a historical one paint really won some of all firms country as well. I can't wait to get this done. Or is it okay for a discussion or a motion? Councillor James. I understand that this is coming from CEDO and was this wondering if it's grinding bits with the lead broken out, getting it up like CEDO. I can't do that, I'm sure. I mean, I can just share a little bit that Margaret did have some input on specifications within the RFP and how she wants the lead paint to be mitigated and then certainly add to that as you wish. Yeah, we're a lot that provide technical assistance to anyone through the lead program. It's not income-based but the assistance from CEDO has to go to residential part buildings and it has to be income-based. The occupants, whether they be owners or tenants have to meet the income requirements of the federal government. Thanks. Positive news, I came in plus the total budget. It's more the contractor. Are you thinking? The budget that we had set aside will cover the total cost of the project and the contingency easily. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that we're not subbing it out to a lot of different people. We found somebody not only local but somebody who can do everything at one time and that just makes it so the contractors don't have to come and go and pack up and to be relocating. That's what we do guys. If there hasn't been a motion, I'm happy to make the motion as indicated by the CEDO and Civic Clerk. Great, thank you. 20 seconds. Councillor Barlow. Any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll go to a move. All those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Now, replacement, remove something for City Hall. So, in the basement of this building, there is a sump tank that holds hundreds of gallons of water and that sump tank is something that is needed for the evaporative pool system in the building. Over the last, I'm not sure how many years because I've only been in this position for about a year and a half now, chemicals have been lacking in there and that plus just time, things go over time. The sump tank that we have in this building is starting to fail to the point where we've looked at repairing it and it's beyond repair. It's getting little pinholes in it for rust and deterioration and we absolutely have to repair or they said we don't have a choice. What's great about what we've been doing and that you guys will be hearing a lot more of this coming up is we have started working with a company called EEI. They're based out of New Hampshire and they are going to help us with our buildings to do energy performance contracting. So what we've done is had them help us with this initial project, knowing that as we keep electrifying the building and moving this building towards our net zero energy goals, that this sump tank will be perfectly sized for future projects. So we know we're being efficient, we're not wasting money and we're getting done right away what we have to get done for the safety of the building. You're right, Mr. Jack. So this is more of a comment and you're telling the group I have witnessed this building getting so much attention over the side of this. Right? And including these big projects which I believe is extra, I want to say thank you for keeping an eye because when you think about downtown as a living room in the city, the discipline is the most important. And think about also how we bring a lot of difficulty. You know, with the plan, we think we need to bring them swear, see that this is such a efficient model. Very good. All of this. And I'm glad that we have the back to you. And we do it in one too. Thank you. Thank you. And happy to make the motion. Thank you. And thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Don't want to make it woody, woody see, but not a woody building. This is good. Thank you, Councilor Chang. Appreciate it. I appreciate all of us out there. President Park. Councilor Park, second. Thank you. Um, we further discussion. This item, seeing no go vote, all those in favor of motion please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. And this brings us to our final item. Which is the, I believe, sorry, I did that one communication, the other in two. So this is the exterior, temporary fencing for Memorial Auditorium. And are you getting on this one as well? Sure. I'll just stay here for a while. Yeah, I appreciate it. So Samantha Dunn used her wills of knowledge to help us to stabilize the route at Memorial Auditorium. And the next step in stabilizing the building to keep everybody safe. Is we are going to be hopefully putting up some extra fencing around the building. That will not include the side where the alley is. That will have to have a netting put to it because you have to be able to drive in it out there. But we worked hand in hand with an engineer to specify the right fence and how to put it in to keep everybody safe. And so once that goes in, the hope is that we'll be able to keep that space clean and on top of having it safe to make sure that things aren't falling off the building onto the cars. Thank you. And thanks for the update too. I showed the board since it was authorized to have heard a report and complained that that is structural reform. And it was important to step in and save the building. Are there questions or are we ready for a motion? Councilor Brown? Oh, yes. Thank you for this item as well. Have there been break-ins? I know that there was a time when there were some break-ins into Memorial. And with this fence, if that's still occurring, with this fence, I'll secure the building so that that didn't happen. I believe so. Yes. Is there still an encampment down in behind? There's not. And so with this prevent the establishment of another encampment in the future. I would like to think so. Thank you. The security situation has improved since the hardening of the building that was done around the time. And it turns back to infrastructure, technology, infrastructure, remaining in the building, alarms were added and other. So things have been better. It's my understanding. Since our work was done, we also are moving rapidly to complete the work. We brought the talk home there so that we're no longer relying on this. So there's progress there as well. There'll be a full update coming soon. Professor Jay. I think that this is out of resources more temporary. That's it. I cannot imagine. This is just also temporary. 119,000. It's a lot more by this way. And also it would have people. Increase the estate. We fancy the construction zone. Right. And was just wondering. There are alternatives. Providing safety. And also. And how many times. All great questions. So. We did put out an RP. We did. No, of course. Post that on the website. We did. Certainly invite local fencing companies to. We did. Only get one. Person to respond to the RP. That person has been awarded other jobs within the city. Through the RP process. So I feel like. His. It's probably. Very fair. Just based on he has one other. City before. It is expensive. You're right. I think that. The safety of people around the building. Is worth that money. And I think if we had any alternatives. We would have. Certainly gone another direction to at least. Explore another alternative. We work hand in hand with engineering ventures. To. Come up with the smartest. To. Secure this building and make it safe. Without any people. So. I would be. Around it. And. You know, that's certainly something that. Once the fence is up. You get to consider quitting art. You know, on the fence itself. Certainly. You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, Certainly. You know, I think that. Your comment about having. The fence around it and the just that make it more than I saw. I think you could go one of a couple of different ways. I think you could look at it and say, wow, We had to put up a fence around the building. But. Is the fence also keeps encampments away and allows us to maybe. Clean up the graffiti. And then we can make it look a lot more pleasing to me. I think. This is. We have a motion. I am. Hi, I'm sorry. I had a question. Yes, go ahead. Do we know the specs of this fence? Yes. And, and how tall will it be? Eight feet. Eight feet. And, and what is what exactly in terms of the type of fence that. Is being selected. We'll discourage people from climbing it. Cause I feel like eight feet. Is it that high? Um, the. Certainly if anybody wants to climb it. I mean, you can scale any building. If you try hard enough and they do. People do scale Memorial as it is without a fence. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. So, um, you know, the standard fences are usually turning at six feet high. So we did upgrade it to eight feet high. And beyond that, we didn't do anything extra. Um, as far as adding. I don't know what the technical names are for, but if you, for instance. Fence around a jail or a prison. You can have extra pieces at the top that. You can have extra pieces at the bottom. You can have extra pieces at the bottom. And barbed wire and things like that. We just didn't want to bring that. Into the downtown city for that one. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Sorry. Did you reach on again before? I just had one of the question that failed to ask us now, just it's called the temporary fence, but I'm assuming this is going to be in place until something. Down on the site. Yes. And so the cost would. Be the same. Three years or five years to possibly be the same. Yes. Well, yes. We split it in now. And then. Yes. We're not going to wait. We're owning the. Yes. Thank you. That's all. Thank you. I'm trying to see whether or not it says it anywhere in here. I didn't see it. But I could have missed it. So what happens when. What happens when it is destroyed. What happens when. One block, you know, one area of the fence is. It's scaled and. We have to be reasonable about what is going to happen here and eight foot fence is absolutely not going to give people. You know, when you look at the top of the old YMCA building and you see graffiti. You know, 20, 20 feet up in the air. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. I think we just have to be honest about what is going to happen here. So an eight foot fence is an eight foot fence. People are going to go over that and they're going to go back and forth. It is only a matter of time before parts of that fence are going to need repair. So is that part of the content? Is that part of the contingency? How do we then repair that? If we're going to put up the fence, we might as well know how, we're going to put up the fence. But it's not necessarily part of the contingency, but that contingency money is part of the million dollar budget. So it would go back into that same project and we would have the funds available. To fix it. All right. So in other words, it's not part of the construction contingency. I understand that, but there is that money would be available to then repair. Should there be a need for that? Okay. And I think you're absolutely right. You know, nothing is sacred anymore. I mean, I think the best we can, and really the goal of the fence is not to keep people. From damaging the building more or from for feeding the building more is to keep the innocent people away from it. So that something doesn't fall on them. Well, there's always the hope that it won't be for long. Well, there's a lot of work going on. There will be another. Second attempt at an RFP. And I'll take. Yeah. I'll tell you that tonight, but there will be. There will be. There will be an update. There's a lot of work happening there. Okay. Did we. I think we're still wearing a. No, but I'm, but I, this is the last agenda item. So I have to say it. That I will make the motion that's recommended on. Excellent. Thank you. President probably a second. Second. Any further discussion. Seeing. Thank you. Thank you for, for explaining your board. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any. And. This is going to come on my for fencing. I understand. You know, some portion of me will say we'll secure more better. Before the vote next Monday with the council. We'll just go back and just confirm. We'll just go back and just go back and just confirm. I'm going to move on to the next item. I'm going to move on to the next item. I'm going to move on to the next item. And then it's going to be, I'm going to move on to the next item. So with other that's impressive. So fair question. Yes. With. That. Good. All those are fairly local, please. Right. Any opposed. President Paul. Yes. Councillor Barlow. Yes. Councillor Chang. And I would be voting yes. So the item passes by about four to one. I'm so briefly just wanted to share. So that's the end of that item with the beginning of the meeting amended the agenda just having quick communication from me regarding. I just wanted to do one thing really quick. I just wanted to share with everyone Natalie Morrill. But I just want to thank him for how fortunate we are that she's managing a sense of facilities and all these facilities and doing this great work. Yes, thank you for that to me. And thank you to the. Sorry for going straight into the speakers. Thank you as a bunch of a lot of work behind all those items just came forward and thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ashley. Who's a part of the office capital workers. Well, big part of it. And it's great to have all this important. Thank you to be chairs. I know there's substantial interest from the council on this. We basically just wanted to share that we are very likely to call a short work finance meeting next week as well before the council meeting because I believe we're going to be in position to create. Before you documents before the creation of the city positions necessary for the BTB chairs team to be stood up and consistent with the words that headed for for some time. And this will be coming with the commission. My understanding is that the opportunity to review these three job description I guess two job descriptions for three positions. And we also expect to have documentation formalizing our agreement with the medical center will be playing key role in the BTB chairs team. Just something we've been working on here sometime particularly since we came clear that we did not have passed forward with the Howard Center so just wanted to give the board a heads up that I was like likely to call that meeting with me hope that we will be able to have concurrent action with the board financing council. Next week. There's no questions for members I'll go to cancer grant go ahead. Thank you. So are the job descriptions that will be voted on. Can we see those. I've just heard of things floating around but haven't seen any copies and would love an opportunity to look at them in advance. Yes, it will be there will be part of the materials that for for the meetings next week. If you're asking to get in advance of the broader distribution that maybe something we're able to do. I think we're close to that we're, I think that I think the job descriptions do exist. I think we're still working on the, because that has gone through this process with the police commission so we'll try to use the web. And, you know, if you're asking for them in advance we're trying to send that out the supporting materials will need until the meeting deadlines to get those all in place. Okay, because I would love to have an opportunity to to take a look at this I've been very invested in us getting this on. I've been following since I was a police commissioner and I've been monitoring it very carefully and serving on the public safety committee I would like to see those of us on at least on the public safety committee have a chance to look at those job descriptions as well. Thank you. Okay, there's no questions about that. I'll close that item. And that reminded me we also were not good or not our work is not completely done. Dependence we were in adjourn this meeting and I guess I will formally do that. And in the next section we clear business. So with no objection I'm adjourning at 710 the board of finance.