 Hello everyone and welcome back to for the minions episode 36 if you just saw the images it just now that was a That was some artwork from one of our Friends of the show Nectana. That's that's probably going to be my new in-card now for for the minions I love it so much, especially that he had Mandy's bow as her ps4 controller and speaking of Mandy Mal Oh, by the way, I am your host the one and only mango mangoes But joining me as always is my co-host Mandy Mal. How you doing Mandy? I'm doing good as if they don't know who you are My favorite part is my horse slippers. I don't know if you noticed my horse slippers That's my favorite part, but uh, yeah, I'm doing well and we have another another special guest star But I don't know if we technically have three We have Sminey and his beautiful birds Ridley and Charlie I'm just an average player. They're gracious enough to have me over. We'll have some nice discussions today Yeah, right on so I'll tell us a little bit about your background with Paragon your favorite hero and all that Okay, so I got into the month update. I played a lot, but I played casually favorite character Definitely Ray I enjoyed him the most because of his unique play style and what I was able to do with him playing I'm as mid nuker and I'll get into that build later I Played also a lot of other mobs have about 3,000 hours in Dota played some smite Overwatch even battleborn we get that as well. And yeah, just love these games. I love Paragon and Yeah Right on man We're glad to have you we're glad and by the way his his burnt back there Charlie has its own Instagram and it Charlie underscore the underscore wingman. I'll link it down below and it definitely looks like he makes a great wingman Thinking about picking myself up Pigeon to help me along Let's go get right into the news and updates Not a lot going on like there hasn't really been a lot going on this for the past couple weeks except for Predecessor a meta studios has been churning out these updates and they continue to do so What they what they told me that well, you know when I asked for the updates what they put out was that you know They're they're almost ready for those lane minions that they've been doing a lot of internal testing However, after after I'd contacted them and asked for their updates They contacted me and asked me if I wanted to participate in One of the tests one of the internal testing sessions that they were doing it was me Another guy I don't think he has a YouTube channel I should Look at my pencil or something. I forget his name But and then jacka was it was in there as well. So it wasn't just Members of the Omena team members it was just various people that had alpha keys. So that was a lot of fun and and You know, we couldn't show any of the footage from it couldn't create any content But smokey did say I could talk about it. So I will say some of the main things Some of the main differences between the original alpha that got put out for a couple days back in you know, March April time frame and What I experienced was there was no input delay. That was the huge. That was probably the biggest Problem with the alpha was an input delay The other thing was collision You didn't collide with people as much you could actually slip past people instead of getting hung up on like Fingmall's Spear or what have you so that was a huge and very welcome change But yeah, do you guys have any questions about that? I think that's probably the best thing to do is if you guys have any questions about what may have changed between Their closed alpha and now and I'll try and answer to the best of my abilities Smiley, do you have anything you want to go with? Not in particular with predecessors. No, I do have All right, um, well you kind of covered the two things I was gonna ask about already I You know experienced both the collision and the input lag myself Pardon me. So I was curious about those two Overall just how's the game feel and is it does it feel Like Paragon Yeah, it feels really good It feels it feels like legacy Paragon like the look and feel and and and how everything plays out I did feel like legacy Paragon, you know with a little bit of a twist because it didn't have their cards Like I said the lane minions weren't working But smoke he was able to boost everybody to max level and just gave us some gold to play around with and buy some cards there were no active cards, but um It was nice, I was able to I didn't remember seeing the projectiles leaving my weapon during the original alpha but it was definitely in this one and That made it a lot easier to track and fire and actually hit your shots along with the Input lag being gone. Um, just overall it was really really great. Um Yeah, they're they're damn near ready. It's almost ready for the public. I'm I'm looking forward to it I mean, we did identify some bugs we were able to you know get on top of some places with thing now that we shouldn't have been able to get into and like kind of Collide with some of the environment and get through some rocks and stuff like that So there weren't there weren't definitely some bugs in there and and smokey has told me that they've already fixed a lot of The bugs that we identified during that session. So that's that's good. They're trucking right along there Wow, that's really impressive. I'm just out of curiosity. Who did you play as I? Played as Murdoch Gadget and Muriel. We played three games. Not Muriel. I played Murdoch Gadget and thing now that's Okay Okay, yeah, but as I was saying, I think the ones I played most in Paragon were thing now and gadget out of And Murdoch I did have Murdoch mastered But uh, yeah, they they felt really good that everything felt felt great. So To them My me. Did you have a question? Yeah, I just wanted to double check is there's a lot of projects and I'm trying best to keep track of them But this is the one that's trying to be just legacy Paragon, right? Pretty much. Yeah Okay We'll move on to the other ones just to get Smimby's opinion on them in a second, but let's move on right now to a Phoenix Rising Visionary games with Phoenix Rising not a lot to report from them, but they are starting to lay the groundwork for possible Interactions with the community later on Not big news at all and I don't want to over hype it at all. It's not something to be hugely hyped about it's just any news from them is good news Everybody's always thinks they're dead, but they're alive and kicking and they're about to start showing it So look forward to that if you are a visionary games fan And if you are if you're still hooked into the to the phoenix rising so cool beans there Now let's move on now to uh, ethereal Smimby. You said you had some questions about ethereal. What's up, man? um ethereal after watching your your videos ethereal seems one that most grabs my attention because they really want to change up the mobile game and uh, like the one about the flying roll where there's a lane that like it's vertically sloped sort of laying here laying here laying here And there's a class that can fly between them specifically. That's really cool That's very innovative. I don't know I and this there's so many mobiles that have existed for so long and people are getting bored of them I think it's going to be just stagnation. So Um, I guess I just wanted to know if there's anything that you can tell me about if you feel the house going That's what I'm most curious about Imagine that Smimby likes the flying thing Um, I don't I mean in particular I you know, I don't know. I do know a lot about the game. Um I their their lure I think whenever they update their website, which hopefully should be pretty soon The lure will come out and that's going to address a lot of people's concerns because A lot of people are kind of saying like how are you going to have like a sentient computer virus going toe to toe with a Little mermaid like how do you explain that? but It is explained in the lore and it's laid out much better than paragon ever was and nobody ever knows what the hell they were doing in paragon like Why are they fighting? Why are they fighting over there was no explanation for that? But um You know people a lot of people don't care about lure, but as far as game mechanics Um, they said very early on that they want everything to have a purpose That's kind of like that ties in with the flying If a hero has wings then they should be able to fly around with those wings if they got a shield They should be able to block stuff with that shield and so forth and so on and I don't know how that's going to translate Into any other heroes. Maybe somebody that has a shovel will be able to dig through the map. I don't know I don't know but uh Yeah, that's that's one of their main focuses over there and they are absolute perfectionists and uh Things that you think well, that's never going to work. I'm pretty certain that they're going to be able to make work So very excited to see ethereal. Um, hopefully it's supposed to come out in this year 2019 the uh, the pre alpha as it were, but um I hope that happens. I really hope that happens. They they've had two other uh, alphas tentatively scheduled that never said this is going to be the day the alpha was but um, yeah, it's The a few of a few kind of tentative dates have come and gone. Hopefully they do get it out in 2019 Um, do you have do you have any like pre alpha sign up for me like that? Uh, they do not not yet. Um That's probably going to be I mean They want to redo their website and before and that'll probably on their be on their website the pre alpha sign ups So I don't I don't think that's going to be part of the next Website updates, but they do want to have their website all straightened up and have all their ducks in the row before They start any kind of pre alpha sign ups for that And it is going to be a paid pre alpha if you guys didn't know that Approximately $20 that's kind of a ballpark estimate. Um, they don't know exactly the exact number of how how much it's going to cost but yeah, that one The drawback is that you do have to pay for the pre alpha, but it will be free to play in the future and uh A lot of people like that because it guarantees access to the pre alpha It's not like a random thing. You can actually just pay some money and get it There which is something a lot of people would prefer so good to see that and then if you don't have that kind of money Then you can just wait until it goes free to play. So Sounds good. I'm looking forward to and to the website as well. I'm one of those people who likes the lore in these moments so It's funny. Don't at least try to incorporate some lore overwatch the whole game is non-can so That's funny. I do like the baby in the detail there. I appreciate it Yeah, yeah, don't they kind of they they were able to draw a lot of their lore from Uh world of warcraft so they kind of had to change it just slightly You know some things like recolor some things short But they also did add a couple of things not much but just flavor and they change a couple things It's appreciated at least it gives more The characters you play rather than just a baseless puppet Um, and I like reading those especially if you're really into a character It adds an extra little polish and I really do appreciate them putting into that I just want to set up there if the ethereal writers are watching this good job keep doing it And then uh, let's move on now to meta buff. Uh, I didn't have anything for them this week, but uh It's mind me. Did you have any questions or anything you want to discuss about meta buff in core? Not in particular. I haven't seen much from them. Um, again, I'm losing track of how many projects there are to be honest But uh, meta uh meta buff and core No, nothing yet. I guess I'll I'll stick my teeth in when more stuff comes out more gameplay footage. I guess. Yeah. Um I don't know. No no no questions there. Sorry. Okay Mandy anything to say anything to say for yourself Mandy? I have nothing to say for myself. I have no excuses for being the way that I am All right, and uh, so if you guys want to learn more about any of these games I'll uh, provide some some links to their social media in the description below But for now, let's move on to the poll results And we got through all the uh, all the heroes as far as the most impactful ultimate And now we're squaring them off two at a time. This is the uh, the quarter finals And uh, it was aurora versus wukong in the first round and aurora won by a landslide 78 to 22 percent. Um, I think uh, as main Mandy go ahead you pointed out earlier and I agree with what you said I said, I think nobody wanted to vote for wukong I think wukong's ultimate was probably the most impactful in the game, but probably not in the best way It was in fact so broken that they had to remove him. So It's a bit unfair It's a bit unfair to vote for wukong and I think people recognize that and we're like, you know what? We're just going to vote for aurora. Let's let aurora take this. So I think that's good I agree. I think aurora was was was the most impactful Without being completely and horribly broken. So Cool beans. What do you think smiley? Um, I definitely do that sentiment about wukong and aurora. Uh, I guess aurora also looks pretty cool With their ice effects So impactful both visually and gameplay wise as well. Yeah, I didn't even think about it visually But yeah, it was far more impactful visually. Yeah, than just several swinging wukongs And that's gonna be it for the poll results for this week, let's move into the highlight reel I've got some great highlights for you guys this week. Let's check them out now Gideon comes in with an ultimate. He's on the ground, but murlock is trying to snipe murlock was trying to snipe him He was like he was like two feet away What are you doing my dude think mal very low health going after this jungle camp minion. I don't know who's gonna win the minion wins Let's take another look at this polearm poke off The minions swinging in big damage think mal trying his best But the minion is victorious I think we're going to do a minion killtodge just for him and we're going to name him jerry Badass jerry the jungle camp minion. Kalari sneakie snaking up on face. Holy shit. She is so low The blind saves her but she is extremely low on health Kalari's coming after her the dagger misses. Here comes the ultimate. She's gonna What what what the fuck? What in the actual fuck just happened? Let me take a look at that Okay, so kalari's chasing down face misses the dagger goes for the The kalari ulted on rampage who is sitting inside the safe area. He got fucking killed That's one of the funniest fucking things i've seen on the show yet And i actually have some real highlights for you guys. That was a bit of a bit of a joke a bit of a bait and switch there Um Unfortunately, uh the highlights that got sent to me put them in a folder and accidentally deleted it So if you guys have sent me highlights before Um, just send them to me again. I'll try and get them in next week I had I've kind of made do this week with some of the old highlights from from my channel. So, uh Let's take a look at those right now Red team has been spotted at raptors by grok's grok's extremely low lands a huge smashing grab followed up by a nice Sizing assault by bellica that boi bomb didn't look like it hit too many people But that was still really well done Drongo drops down murloc had to have shit his pants right there And drongo is firing into this back line They are so focused on bellica that they're ignoring drongo and drongo is just getting killed after fucking kill Faye tries to land the ultimate but drongo takes her out beforehand. Let's see if he can catch up with severog He's moving through cheeky bastard took the gold buff on his way Does he have the boomerang? He gets it gets it He got severog's attention then blasts him right in the face for the pentakill The stroller 20 has the purple buff and he's waiting very patiently For the red team to group up. He's just botting his time They're finally grouped up. He pops in along with aurora and they combo wombo combo their abilities together Bam drops that dookie on faze's head. I think aurora got one of those kills amidst the wombo combo Greystone's ultimate is popped getting his little weight patiently drop another cosmic dookie on top of him And uh chimerra is the only person alive for the red team and he does got chimerra thing and dives in too The blue team he does pick up a kill, but he gets wiped out by giddy and aurora That is a full team wipe Narbash doing what any good support should do He has picked up wards very from the very top and he's throwing them down But chimerra spots him decides that he wants a piece of that gray pay pushes far Into the enemy territory into the enemy jungle and he is swinging away at narbash But narbash has that thunk. Is he gonna land it? He does land it indeed and the red tide swarms all over chimerra And narbash takes him out with a drumstick to the face calari running in realizes There's a ward there tries to back up Narbash has another ward. He's got that lamp lighter that is two charges of ward for the price of one They're gonna keep pushing through here. I don't think calari realizes. There's so many wards around here She does countless is going to try and de ward for calari But instead she's gonna deep throw it a drumstick and the nar beast is going to pursue this kill Is he gonna take her he does smack her right across the face takes her down Meanwhile calari trying to uh, if calari would have just kind of went after narbash everybody would have been fine But narbash is not done another thunk to the back of calari's noggin And that is a triple kill before the two-minute mark for narbash. Holy sh- Okay, everyone. I hope you enjoyed those real highlights. Um We're gonna move on to the topic for discussion And that's what mode you would like to see added to these games the most like a 3v3 1v1 pve some some kind of mode like that Excluding ranked mode. We've had an entire discussion about ranked mode in the game. So, um, Let's get on into that. Uh smimie, uh, what what do you got to say? What what what do you got to say about some some extra modes in these games that could be added in? I'll first hand it to you guys first because I I made a prepared response for this and It's gonna be a long response. So you guys go first before I go. Okay Okay maybe um, I feel like My opinion is gonna be unpopular for especially for smimie um, I don't care about pve at all like When I want to play a moba pve does not come to mind So I would probably go more for I kind of I kind of feel like a 1v1 would be fun because who doesn't love team fights like You just want to go in there and get in a giant team fight and like have have a little death ball match and To see what see what happens. I think that would be like a a 3v3 a ram mode Or maybe just a ram period a 5v5 a ram that would that might be cool I mean, why not that that would be cool. But yeah, um, and the only reason I say that about pve is because, um They've included pve and genesis and I tried to mess around with that just to see what it was about And I I found myself getting really bored. I was just like hey, I don't I don't want to I'd rather be playing a more traditional, uh You know moba feeling game. So, um, but I Would not be surprised if after hearing smimie's points. Maybe maybe you can change my mind. So That's all I have to say about it I think a pve mode pve mode would be fun if done the right way. Um, I mean just playing against ai's Really isn't all that fun or interesting. I think a fun pve mode that I would like to see added into these games would be kind of a wave survival type mode kind of like, um Zombies and call of duty or something just increasingly difficult waves of minions You know, maybe throw an orb prime in there One occasion. I think that would be a lot of fun You know started off with just the regular lane minions to clear it You clear the first wave and then the second wave, you know, you get some siege minions Third wave, maybe some jungle minions mixed in and it just keeps getting increasingly more difficult And then you can have leaderboards like who survived the most waves And I'm sure there would be some heroes that were way better at it than others But it would be I think that would be a cool concept and a fun thing to put into the games It's my me. What do you what do you think man? All right, so here we go um So pve just like you said It it should either be done correctly or not done at all I don't think these games should be focusing on that right now probably probably After the fact and definitely a wave survival horde mode would be a good start Uh, but uh, so I think pve would be a great, uh way to Introduce players to mobs, right? Have like a tutorial pve. Maybe even put some lore in there that teaches you how to play a moba properly and make don't make it like this has to be made in a way that's not Handling or too slow, right? It's it's very difficult to make it so someone enjoys playing a tutorial But it's possible. I think and that's how useful it can be because if you just throw someone in a moba Um without any prior knowledge about a moba is they'll just go for kills and it won't be a good experience having the tutorial where someone could test out the character and then figure out how how what was supposed to work In a way would be good but also I personally enjoy pve games And if you if I get really invested with the character and I'm bad at the game and I don't get to Do the my moves before I die It can be annoying So sometimes it's nice to play a more laid-back game mode where you get to do all the cool stuff of a character, right? It also is a good practice for that character Uh, I do enjoy that and I want to draw from some past experiences with with games that had both both pve and pve in particular I wonder do you guys know battle born? Uh, yeah, I tried it out a little bit. I think I tried it and I don't remember much about it. Unfortunately Yeah, that game really flew under the radar I don't want to go into a tangent rant, but that game did have some good ideas the game worked as had a co-op campaign and had a pvp mobile with links And he had the same characters with the same skill trees and you could get item drops from the pvp or the pve And you could get those same items in both modes So the characters are cross-plated. They're not changed at all, which is interesting Uh, so the same moves you do in pve you do in pvp in vice versa And it was a really cool way to get pvp players play pve and pve players play pvp because it's the same thing um That although the game wasn't perfect. Uh, I think that was really interesting Um overwatch is one game what people are calling for pve and I don't understand why because That all the pve they've shown in the game is pretty basic like zombie horde mode All the enemies are lazily designed And I think they're working on overwatch to leaks are to be believed that's going to be a campaign while keeping overwatch still the And oh man I don't think it's going to be good. They've not shown. I don't want to go around here but but but people It's just like when oman he said I think the poor pve experiences are worse than Not having a pve experience. I think it has to be good or Uh, but once it's done correctly it provides good practice possibility for Lord, uh, and Uh, I think they're really fun And I think a lot of people do call like every single pvp only game There is a lot of people who I've noticed always call for some pve mode even if it's just boss Uh, so people enjoy it I remember when I first started playing dota For the whole forwarded my first, um Not only but mostly just bossed my first 150 hours or so just until I get a hang of it And that helped a lot So I think something like that is useful for casual players who want to get the hang of the game who want to experiment things If there's no way to experiment or practice Use bad players not best their fault, but that's just the thing So some pve component would be useful Definitely training mode first Then maybe a way of hard mode because that would be easier to implement And then you can start focusing on story elements pve campaigns Yeah, her stone does pve really In game But they have they sell these packs where there's a co-op. It's a camp not co-op It's a single player campaign That's meticulously designed and it works really well And that's that's one way for them to monetize is who to play pvp games Could if they wanted to this is way further than the line make these co-op experiences Leveling the story and sell them and that's one way to monetize as well So that's interesting. There's a lot of possibilities. Yeah That's not a bad idea. Yeah, you're right. Her stone was very creative with their pve mode You wouldn't think a trading card game could have an interesting pve mode But they they nailed it or especially the last pve uh expansion that they had but Yeah, that's a yeah, I never thought of that but that yeah, that's a really good idea Let's see now Shall I get into some other random notes I want to discuss I guess Yeah, you wanted to talk about your uh, your wraith build which is interesting because wraith was built Wraith was played in so many different He was he was played in all the roles. He was playing all the roles people played him as adc They played him as support. They played in mid lane off lane I didn't see him play jungle too much, but I'm sure it happened. I'm sure it happened So especially after they um After the new card system changed and they decreased the difficulty of the jungle like anybody could go in there and jungle so Yeah, yeah, he was a beast. So so how did how did you play him smiley? so I really loved my pink wraith character wraith is so much fun because uh He's just so satisfied to snipe someone and to getting close. What I would do is Well, no, I don't remember exactly the whole build. I would prioritize getting experience first But basically these are three cards I would lead up to stagnant domination ability slow ability hits low 30 for 1.5 second so uh, the cooldown on his uh shot is about 10 seconds and cryo agents, uh Is that after an ability cast basic attack slow 3 for 1.5 seconds and build some damage So I would get close to someone shoot them and then They get slowed and then hit auto attack them. They get slowed some more and now Uh compared to if they weren't slowed, they'd be further away But now I have enough time for my cooldown on my Shot to reset and that's probably gonna kill them. Yeah And it works really well and anytime that doesn't work. I can just ulti and get out Yeah And I just rinse and repeat and it's just felt so satisfying to get those kills and if you happen to miss you just rewind them Yep. Yep. That's oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Yes, of course, you can always also rewind and take another shot. It's great Uh, he was he was a he was a very well-designed hero. I really liked wraith I played him I played him a bit like you did. I think I played him, um, mainly as a like a burst mage and used um Knock knock. I think it was called as As like my big nuke instead of like a you know, giddy and will drop a Boulder would have you I would I would snipe people with with wraith. So Very flexible hero. Um, I think that was I think he was ace's favorite. Um Overall was wraith, but ace played him as a carry. I believe 80s When you um You got a couple builds one here. You're talking about Yes, yes, you know nabash and bellica Yeah, nabash not too Innovative I guess, but I would just equip a lot of uh, aoe Support the abilities try to get tanky and as well as when I'm in the fight So stuff happens basically like I'm healing Uh, ventral mire burst low aoe slow after taking tion damage. This is useful because if I build tanky There's no cooldown on this every time I take 300 damage it Triggers, so I just jump in with my ultimate and then start You know face stacking people just to get to get slowed And it's so satisfied and then of course the mana restore I just show up healer one store man. Everyone gets to do stuff You just run around with an hour bash and do all this team fight. Yeah, he could be extremely tanky and then With health regen on top of that. He was just So far Lieutenant bellica not too Crazy, but just starting to build get fireball Stun them throw them up put the mine to get exactly and then do deal fireball and there's also the mana bomb burns mana and deals damage equal to To mana burns and I think one of her abilities also Was it her ultimate where she deals damage based on how much mana was missing? I think yeah, it was her ultimate Yeah, so neural disruptor yeah, so I would just Yeah, I had a sequence where I would do these moves and Usually I don't even have to do finish the whole sequence until they die But just in case I would use that ulti at the end And it was just so satisfying to burn people down. Yeah, that's nasty. That is nasty Especially the fireball they don't expect the fireball But because it does most of this damage after that the fact so I know sometimes during the sequence that Uh, if I let them go, they're gonna die from the fire and I just let them go and like I just walk back and I know the good thing Feels great. Oh That's bad manners. That is bad That's I know plenty of people did that on more agash though I would also I used to love doing that on shimby as well getting a whole bunch of stacks up and then leaving as if I was just out And then there goes her ultimate. Like let them think that they're going to get away Oh, man. Oh, it hurts so bad Well more agash really owed me a lot when I was starting out in the game And you know how her ultimate worked like I thought I was out of the I'm the clear and then she's just But now it's it's kind of like anyone plays dora, you know, you know, blood seeker Maybe yeah, yeah easy he's A noob tuber like very easy to prey on noobs because if you don't know how the game works Just it's easy to die from it. Oh, no. Yeah It basically like makes you bleed if you move Right, it doesn't damage much damage initially But if you try to move afterwards and he's taking damage like why am I taking damage from running away and like And you just end up killing so yeah, you just kind of have to stay in toe-to-toe and fight fight him out. Yeah Yeah It's actually really easy to Counter that you just hold still he doesn't have much damage otherwise. Uh, and if or you can just teleport in dora, you can buy You just help out back the base and he he doesn't have a stun himself So if no one has a stun you can just see you and you just teleport So, yeah, it's one of those things margesh there had to deal with early on Now I do have some other random notes. If any dents are listening about Uh, these mobile games. Let's see So I want to talk about micro transactions Now transactions and macro transactions you guys know these two I don't know nano transactions and macro transactions. No so Micro transactions truly did start out micro 99 cents so on but really they've become more macro, you know $99 for this many gems. That's not micro at all and I don't like to use the term micro. Maybe I don't know if nano is used but I like to propose nano transactions for these mobas because um I don't think uh, I mean Maybe they have an aversion to pricing things so low But I think having a lot of cosmetics priced very low Is better than having a few elite cosmetics that are paid priced high Because it's more likely that the person would buy them That way at least that was in my case Dota, I never really bought any of those expensive cosmetics But occasionally you find the community market like I can buy this hat from a character for like 17 cents And then I can keep adding these up and over my Almost four years of playing good. I spent to $150 on it without even knowing So I spread over those years. It's not so bad, but um That's definitely something they could do and I think with the current climate against Superparaturn micro transactions It also gives you a good publicity to have truly micro micro transactions be that cheap people would really like that I think Or like, you know, the skin came out. It's not nonsense. Here you go. Yeah, and I think like Um It's worth at least trying I I understand devs put a lot of hard work on this But in terms of economic scale once you make the skin copying it won't cost any more money, right? Distributing it. That's the that's the thing about software So even though you might value it more if enough people buy it at that low price It will make more money than if you priced it higher higher, so Um, I hope they consider because what was it? Um, I think it was Genesis as well. You mentioned last week that they were making exclusive characters in a mobile game and Yeah, that were you had to purchase in order to play? Yeah Yeah, that's a very sticky situation the game where you know counters and stuff is involved and balances thing Even if the character is balanced and overpowered, this is always the perception Right. I don't think I think they should definitely back that all that keep purchases only cosmetic Uh, yeah And maybe think about this aspect Now what else the head of my notes, uh Oh, yeah, here we go. I'll think we're gonna be able to go there all of I don't want to I don't want to make the show too long Okay, okay my bad. I'll go with these my bad But what do you guys think about perfect balance versus chaos balance? Yeah, I don't know what you mean by that So perfect balance as in trying to Do incremental changes of the game to reach a state of the everything is Really viable while chaos balance you just Switch up the meta, right? So these games that do this overwatch And don't have this more often They just have this big patch where they change a bunch of stuff And now people have to figure out what the new meta is and by the time they figure it out They just change it again You definitely do that a lot too Perfect balance There's nothing really truly perfect But the idea is to get closer to perfection by making these small adjustments They reach a sort of equilibrium where everything is viable and it's all about how people play People keep discovering the things I guess but it's hard to do So sometimes you just resort to chaos balance where they just change things up and they don't know how things They change so many aspects that I don't know how it's gonna play out And then the meta becomes not figured out in the beginning But the thing is because chaos balance doesn't prioritize actually being balanced It's inevitable that a meta will happen Some catches will be found out to be OP and some underpowered And then it's all about the developer doing it again Rinse and repeat By when that happens or else people will be sick even more sick of the meta So how do you guys feel about those two balancing methods? I think perfect balance is probably the best way to go In the beginning especially in the alpha phase for all for a lot of these games I think chaos balance is something that Can only really be implemented once you have your perfect balance as close to perfect as possible I would like like you said you're never going to have everything perfectly balanced And and doing some chaotic changes like that could be a good way to shake things up and make the game more interesting And kind of feel fresh However, I don't think they're going to need to do that for a while. It's gonna And especially in the alpha I don't I don't I don't see them doing like chaotic balance changes like that at least another Like after full release another like year or two even after that So probably way the hell down the road for any of these games Yeah, probably Yeah, I um Didn't really think about it until he said it that way that might it does sound like almost a way to freshen up a game But uh, I think I agree pretty much exactly with the way who said it maybe later on in a game You could start introducing some of that more more chaotic changes, but When you were first explaining it, I'm like that just sounds like Paragon and it sounds like a recipe for disaster Doesn't sound good, but um I guess it would be kind of fun like if if a game gets a little stagnant little stale Hey, we've introduced some big changes that They may not go over well But they are here and let's see how it goes and then we can kind of make some tweaks based on You know everyone's reactions to it. So Definitely it's not actually one or the other they could have a mixture of a mixture of the two true very true Let's see last few things. I do what I mentioned the door. I don't want to make this too long But just a few more notes. Not all the whole thing, but let's see Where is it? Able to purchase exact currency amounts any game that's trying to make Uh, a premium currency is fine, but don't make it so you can only buy it at 10 20 30 90 increments If someone wants to buy five gems to buy this one thing We'll let them buy that specific thing because pricing things cheap in premium currency Doesn't do any good if buying premium currency is still expensive That that was something that happened recently with Uh, I think apex legends like uh, yeah, and last thing There's a lot of projects going on lots of times with people. I do want to say this I guess Uh, I I love this and I want the more the merrier. Yeah, right, but I guess I feel like the reality is if they all come out They're all kind of vying for a similar audience and I think inevitable That some of them might not be able to have enough an audience to to compete if that does happen I hope they can get absolved by other studios who are willing I guess because it'd be sad to see them fail and then close down That's true Yeah, yeah, I hope for the same thing like I don't think they'll all succeed but Hopefully if one succeeds and the other one fails then they'll be able to pull some of the people out of that The the failed community into into the one that's succeeding as because if they are succeeding They're going to be picking up steam and they're going to need new people. So Yeah, kind of make the best of a bad situation there Yep, good point I'm really excited for ethereal's website. That's my last Hopefully it'll be soon that that's a problems there that a couple problems. But hopefully that's all worked out So I think that's it Plugs, uh smut me. Do you have anything to plug you got a youtube channel or anything, man? Uh, I have a youtube channel that I very sporadically put stuff on So not either by any means but sometimes I just feel the need to Put it out there. I appreciate you having me on here. That's great. Uh, I hopefully this reaches some developers Keep it keep working on that good stuff. Uh, I'm not a youtuber, but I have a youtube channel I'll put 11 plug it and plug it down there And, uh Looking forward to all the projects. That's all I got also my my pigeons instagram will also be there Most importantly charlie I just have that same same old stuff I I have a stream on twitch I got the discord if you feel like joining the discord And I very sporadically Oh never upload youtube Yeah, so what's up with that was up with that jenice jenice's video you promise? I am working on the jenice Yeah, I wanted to that was part of the reason why I tried the pve because I wanted to be able to discuss it a little bit I'm just kind of it's like the more I play it the more thoughts I have on it So my grip if you will for what I want to say in the video is constantly changing. So that's why it's like a little bit, uh Not done All right, um, I'll leave everyone with a question like I've been doing for the past couple episodes Uh, if you could own one weapon in paragon and it'd be actual functional in the real world What would that weapon be? Uh, of course slimy and mandy haven't had a chance to to think there's ups So I'll go ahead. I'm gonna say I would like to have decker's staff thingy whatever the hell it was called Um, I think that would be fun because I mean you could shoot with it Uh, didn't seem all that lethal so you could just zap your buddies if you wanted to and then I think just The stasis bomb would be just so much fun. Just Put people in stasis for a second and move along So I think if I could have one weapon for paragon and have it be functional in the world in the real world it would uh It would be decker decker staff. I wouldn't say rickers hook, but already made one. So You guys you guys have an answer yet? Definitely nabash's drums. Yeah You could do some neat stuff with that Good one. That was a good one. I actually uh, the very first thing that came to mind was decker's Staff thing. Oh really? Yeah, I thought that would be fun But for the sake of being original and not, uh Taking your answer. I like quang's ability to or qualm. I'm sorry ability to Recall his sword from wherever because I lose stuff all the time. So if I was just like, where's my sword dammit? And you can put your keys on it There you go Be the world's most giant keychain I'm gonna put my keys. Wow Yeah, and then just scare people in the walmart parking lot like It's fine. It's fine You want to get to the head of the line? Just throw your sword up there and teleport over to it. Yep. There you go So there we go. That's my answer Right on Okay, guys, uh, if you have your own answer, uh, please let us know in the comments below But for now, this is the for the minions crew signing off. You guys have a good one Man go