 Welcome to Toffy TV, now something we've wanted to do for a while and something we're going to do more regularly is we're going to get involved with the fans forum. Find out exactly what's going on, what they're doing, how they're helping us as fans and how they're pushing the club along. A lot of the questions they ask are, to be fair, a lot of the questions that we ask and fans ask on a daily basis. So we've got Jesbal here from the fans forum. Good to have you here mate. It's been a while as you say. It has. I'll be honest, I was quite drunk when I asked you to come on and we got a few things off our chests that night and then someone threw a load of ale over. So off the chest and on the legs? Yeah, on to the legs. We finally got you in. And we're going to get you in once a month to discuss everything that's been going on at the meeting. So just for people who don't know, what's the aim of the fans forum and where does it sort of sit at the moment with yourselves and the club? Okay, so in terms of the fans forum, we are one of the groups who have regular sort of engagement sessions with the club. We probably do it more often than the other ones so it's sort of on par with the support of the club committee and EDSA and the likes of that. So as opposed to those groups who have the sort of the niche market I suppose, we're not responsible for but we'll take issues across the whole fan base. So whether people email them, whether we're chatting to people in the pub after the match, whether people getting in touch with us on social media. We sort of get all these questions together and then the last days about every month we normally have a meeting with the club. A week prior to that we normally set the agenda. So we'll sort of streamline all these questions that we've had or thoughts or ideas or whatever. And then we'll sort of shape the agenda and then that'll get taken forward the following week when we meet with the club. And how are the club in terms of taking these things on board? How did they respond to a lot of these issues? They're very receptive but obviously we as fans want things to happen instantly don't we? We appreciate that some of the things we're asking are challenging and they won't happen overnight. However some of the things that are sort of quick movers and quick wins, they do seem to turn on pretty quick. Quick wins are always good aren't they? Trying to keep the fan base quiet on little things. But there is a lot of, I always say all the time, it's always the little things with football fans. You get the little things right with football fans and I think everything else takes care of it. Because like you just said it's little wins, big things take time but if you get the little things right. And sometimes you feel like the little things are too trivia for the club. Why would you want to bother us with that? But I think the fans forum is a good platform for that. For like you just said if people can come to you and say listen there's loads of little things and there's like the ale. Things like that, that will always be a starting point really. The ale in the ground, why can't we have this ale or that ale and stuff like that. I mean I'm sure that one's come up. It has yeah and so within the forum myself as well as our monthly meetings with all sorts of project groups. So we've recently set one up for the stage and like last year we had one for catering. That's sort of now part of the match the experience one. So a lot of the questions about ale will be taken by David through that. And they've got a meeting coming up with Tadexio soon as well. But there's a lot of sort of intricacies that you're not necessarily aware of until you approach Tadexio with these questions. Just before lockdown we actually made quite a bit of progress in terms of food for people with dietary requirements. Whether that's gluten free, vegan etc. And that all started to get introduced. It's almost started to scratch again now. We're post COVID, petrol shortages, lot of driving shortages. There's lots of moving parts at the moment but we'll certainly be pushing that one with the ale as well. I don't even drink in the ground but I'm a great advocate of if people have got money to spend. The club should be trying everything they can to spend it with them and not spend it somewhere else. I think you've talked before about getting in for the ale baird specials and things like this. One thing I want you to ask them while I've got your ear and this is that. Tell them to start putting games on or something on the tellies before the game. And again this might sound stupid but the last home game I think I got in the ground ale-ish because we've had a few not problems with the tickets but you're trying to get you in with COVID and everything. Obviously there's no phone signal because this now is a dead zone to phones. And you don't know what's going on in the earlier game or whatever or say they're on the pitch talking to get that something you need to sort it out. No it is and I'm not up to speed on licensing issues but it happened during COVID didn't it? The reduced fan matches where 2,000 fans were in there now and a half, two hours before kickoff and they were showing the earlier matches so it's something we'll keep pushing. Even if it's reruns of previous fixes against that team. Even if it's like the team news on the screens downstairs, you go upstage and get it on the big screens and they keep on just showing these just nothing on the screens. I don't quite understand that, you want to try and get people into the ground. You want them to drink your drink, you want them to eat your food but you'd expect them to literally stand up for an hour and have nothing on the table. And again as I said that might be such a little thing for people but we're all football fans if there's a game on it at R12. I think it might have been the Villa game or the last game and that against Man United sorry. And you're thinking I could be standing here watching it because otherwise you'd be in the pub watching it and never knocking your money and ultimately that's the top and bottom of things isn't it? That somewhere go, what do you want? Yeah, well I could have been in the pub watching a game of footy, drink an ale that might even mean cheaper so get on that phone. Talking of stadiums, brand new more, dock obviously we've seen loads of videos and stuff haven't put a really good video out last week actually with the drone footage. You've been talking about that, what's the situation like? Yeah so obviously the recently just changed stages. They said that now on the sort of the docking and field process it's sort of expected to take three or four months. Now we're being pushed and a lot of fans have been mentioning about this website and the time-lapses et cetera. The website URL is out there now, it's evitonstagem.com however the website is not live yet. It's just like a holding page at the moment like the fly by video. Yeah but as you said there's not really going to be much to see in terms of the time-lapses if it was up there until potentially two and a half, three months down the line where you sort of see a little island that's popping up inside the dock but they're really happy with how the previous progress went in terms of getting rid of where-what-to munitions and shopping trolleys and whatever else was in there but I think one of the other issues they've had at the moment in terms of putting the webcam out there is there's a lot of different agencies on site at the moment so the diving for example, it's bomb disposal, the divers so they're quite keen to keep themselves hidden I don't think that's helped in terms of getting the webcam out there but we're still championing it. Yeah, do you know what? I've watched a few of those videos and they are brilliant. I know there's a lot of independent people doing it and they are really good. They are very relaxing. You put that music over the top of it and suddenly you're just, I know what you're saying I think I'd happily stare at one of those videos with around me more ducks for hours. Do you know what if it's half 11 at night and they've got a couple of floodlights on there and that? ASMR, everything ASMR that I'm telling you. No, listen, people do want to see every stage here of course because you know what it is as well it's just for that factor of like it's becoming like such a reality now but people still, listen We've been waiting years for this haven't we? People at the back of their heads are still thinking oh you know, it's not, it's not. Like Jeff and West Abbey. Yeah, of course but every day even just by seeing concrete mixers and stuff going on site and obviously if you did see the sand fill up because even this week I think Di Echo put something out saying about the boat like why was the boat in Canada dark and things fans are so, fans will go down to the absolute fine details of like why isn't that happening or stuff like that. Do you know what, the club have obviously got their effort to deliver in the stage of Mardi so they potentially won't listen to all these lower level questions I suppose but it's good that Di Echo did their due diligence and put something out there to get them answers out there. So everything's going smoothly isn't it? The website will be out soon as you said it's not going to be till about February imagine till that docks filled in. So yes, so four months so yeah but we'll probably start to see progress at the end of December January on the thoughts but yeah there's not really going to be much to see in terms of time lapses and all that and as you say the video that has gone out there that actually showed progress didn't it so that was something that was meaningful on a panel for a good feedback as well. Yeah because obviously if you put something out over you know six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks you're going to see things have happened on site even though people might look at it now and go well actually it's just it looks like a building site yeah it's supposed to look like a building site things are happening so it's moving and that's the most important thing and yeah that website will go live soon and the webcam but as it's just been explained there there was there is you know as I said taking bombs and blowing them up on beaches and stuff like that one of the concerns has been in the last couple of months about these tokens fan tokens which a lot of people don't quite understand what they are and that's actually probably the biggest problem. I think it is, it's something new isn't it so what we're being keen to do is just looking at a bigger picture I suppose we're also members of the Football Sports Association now there's been that sort of the next level up from us I suppose so all Premier League Football clubs are within the network and there's a lot of chat there in terms of Socios and there's obviously a lot of feedback that's come on the back of the West Ham fans the best part of the 18 months ago what we're being keen to do is the forum is to do our full due diligence I suppose so we've mentioned it for three previous meetings the normal monthly meetings with the club we've had separate meetings after that we've actually met to see our Socios, Alex Dreyfus that generated more questions which were thrown back to the club and now that's that with partnerships there's still a lot going on behind the scenes if you see what I mean we just want to make sure that we are making informed decisions that they're potentially looking at what other fans have turned around on the past and said and just turned around and said no we don't want it blah blah blah ultimately it is a partnership so it's in place now the first poll and things like that took over the club Instagram or whatever because West Ham's fans they basically came out about 18 months ago and said we're being told to buy these tokens and therefore then we can have an effect on who to play the years and things like that and obviously a lot of them are really unhappy because you're saying you know the player you will be decided by someone who buys these coins we don't and to be fair I think that's scandalous personally I think that's a scandalous approach to do things you know I was probably we were all offered a free coin I just had no interest because I've no interest in like Bitcoin or anything like that I understand the concept but I haven't I've either got enough money in my pocket never mind I haven't enough Bitcoin on my computer so when this came up I was it is a very new thing the likes of Inter Milan have just got it as their main sponsor and it's become a big flashy thing very very quickly and when that happens fans are entitled to feel not only confused about it but also feel hang on what's this because when things just pop up very very quickly and another one I'll go back to was the football index which came crashed and bane and that was regulated so a lot of people have turned around saying about socials but it's not regulated in the UK it's not but being regulated isn't it guaranteed either as you say there with the football index it's interesting isn't it I did cash in my token purely so there are two diligence in it let's see how it works now when we've gone back to the club and we've turned around I don't think terminology helps to the start in the UK fan engagement means something different than what it means in other countries but the way we would explain it initially was that socials have come in they've bought a partnership at a certain level whether that's access to players whether that's box for a match whether that's whatever else they're the kinds of things that they're going to be offering to the people who do the token to take part in the vote etc so in terms of fan engagement it's not what Christian and the fan engagement team do as a day to day job which is like lasing with those lasing with individual fans sports club committee etc it's more about non meaningful decisions but if you say it's non meaningful it's meaningless and then a partner doesn't want to be classed as being meaningless they're paying money for something aren't they exactly and do you know what this one the companies who's done really well out of Covid a lot of companies haven't especially the football teams they've had to pay more in TV revenue etc paying back to the contract but somebody's turned around now you know what we'll give you some money and we'll offer our partnership rights forward and we'll class it as engagement you can see why it's attracted to the club and it's not just that club there's another four it's multisport it's everything I'm not sitting here a few minutes the football club will see an opportunity and as I said they have a club like into my land I've got it as their club's sponsor and other clubs have got it as ultimately it's a new market and if you can get you go back 10 years or maybe more and you look at Manchester United and you look at official tyre sponsor and official this and official that and everything maybe had like two or three and in the last few years they've started opening that up to have all those things we've now got an official tyre and all these kind of things you're basically creating markets to just bring in money because you're sort of exposing yourself in it's got to be beneficial hasn't it? Of course but I think what has to happen is there has to be this investigation into what is it? Because I think that's the most important thing is that what is this thing and do the club need to run it by people first just to explain it or do they need to do because the next thing we're going to talk about is club communication and I think this is a real big part of this and it sounds like this and it has Everton's name money I think personally Everton should be putting something out to explain something like this even if he came to us and said we've just got this new partner do you want to sit down with the boss and have a chat with them and see or have a chat with our guys negotiator this so people can understand because that's all there is isn't it? When it's something new and to be fair to the club they push something out but again it's up to speed and I've done a lot of digging into it and I'm still not a day up to speed but I suppose there's a fine line isn't it between partnerships and what the club talk about because you can also argue that there are different pillars aren't within the club to engage when communications meet each other in one column you've got partnerships which is another one isn't it the cross talk in there as well You're telling me about it Ultimately I think the question would be it how many tokens came out in the end you were all bought up within that but I don't know what that means and I still don't know what that means and I don't know where those tokens are going to go and I don't know what you're going to get out of those tokens I don't know who bought those tokens and I think that's where people just go is this a scam? I'm not saying this it's a scam by the way I don't know the answers but it's something new I would look if it turns out to be six years down the line and we've missed a vote on it I've got no doubt that me and you You've got your coin I can't sell it All I can do is do the votes to get off it but I think one of the concerns people raise was if they're open for everyone to buy there's potential that they can influence votes and whatever else certainly in terms of the one poll I've done the club put four names forward so choose one of these four so it's not like pick who you want and you can say it round and say I want Jimmy Martin and it's a controlled environment I suppose I suppose from the club's point of view and from there's two different markets there's a defeat token like you just said which is the vote and then there's the genuine whatever that real hard line monetary thing is almost a trade in element if you will understand it we'll take advantage of that but I think it comes back to that thing of just explaining it to people and saying these are the benefits of having this thing because when that coin dropped I was like I had no idea how that would benefit me and unfortunately with a lot of these schemes you find that there is a negative connotation to them because it is like you hear about Bitcoin every day and it's like I understand the premise but it's like if Elon Musk decides to drive his car in the wrong gear, the price of it will go down do you know what I mean? I think he did the Tesla one we're not taking Bitcoin for Tesla anymore or something and then that bond I don't generally get involved in things I don't understand which means I don't generally get involved in a lot of things but it's like you just get some messaging out there the right messaging and again I think that comes to talking about obviously with you guys but then speaking to us as well that's where club communication you've been speaking to the club about that as well or speaking within the forum on that because we find it the most annoying thing because for us obviously club communication for us is the most important thing what they've got to say and how we obviously relay that through our shows or our news or them wanting us to relay stuff for them it's got to get better it's not and this goes back to the last thing it's not good enough all the little things just don't seem to get communicated well enough it's fair anyway but what can we do we can carry on beating the drum can't we and turn around and say these are the questions we want answering so how have you been talking about that at a forum level in terms of the last meeting so let's rewind to pre-season nobody wanted to raffer people were crying that we've got towns and whatever else and that and then I mean fast forward three months and then I mean all of a sudden this seems to be a student signing somebody but one of the of late a few fans have gone and talked with us saying we want to understand more we want to hear from Marcel Brand for example so one of the things that we said to the club at the last meeting was at the general meeting a couple of years ago Marcel gave a presentation and he explained this door process and having two players for each position so we turned around and said something like that would be great to send out to the fan base now you haven't committed to that but the current planning for the general meeting is for it to be similar style similar timeline etc so if that presentation is part of the general meeting they will then commit to pushing that out to the fan base as well as opposed to people potentially reading about it on yeah Dutch websites or Dutch newspapers no it is a big thing because like we always talk about Marcel Brand's how he will do he will speak to a journalist in Holland the latest one was Donnie van der Beek and yeah the club can't seem to get them to do an interview and it drives your mind it drives your mind because it's the club don't seem to understand this or do understand but shy away from it is how how much information we absorb as fans and how much information we want so whether that's just keeping us up to date with the players who are injured or letting us know what Marcel Brand is looking at in terms of a general scale does not have to go into details of who the club is because you can tell a journalist in Holland that you wanted a player but you can't always relate that to the official channels we understand that, we know that and the minute you mention a player's name the value goes up to 100% and you can almost deny that as well I didn't say that, I hinted at it but I didn't actually say it I think in terms of stuff like that the club have to get understand and I will give you something we were talking about this week as well so at the beginning of the week they did the 5K if you know your history 5K I don't have my legs now I've done it the last couple of years I've never done it this year but I think the club really underplayed that massively in terms of communication and I know a lot of people say well you never stayed in them but I just feel like the if you've got an international weekend then you've got an event that surrounds everything I just think all the clubs in this city would be almost demanding you to do it and saying no if you get down then you do it but we this player, that player, this ex player I know muscle brands did do it the first year Duncan did it the first year and I just feel like this things like that to me is just an example of how Everton almost underplayed things there's an event on but we don't really want to shout about it because we feel like the uptake isn't that big so we're just going to make a man I think other clubs in this city would make sure Sky and Sports news were there someone else with international broadcasters they were getting interviews with if not the manager but people in around the hierarchy of the club and we'd push the brand and say this is what we're doing and also what we're doing here today is we've got a drive for Gary Stevens a story and all these things and I just, it's so annoying because it is such a good cause and it is for everything in the community and it just feels like times it's just like we'll downplay this and I don't know why they do that I'm prepared to give the club the benefit of the doubt on this next year we can hold them to account because it's, even at the moment they're not taking people into the live building for meetings already so in terms, we're being pushed for face-to-face forum meetings for months now and that's not happening so I can and appreciate why they potentially haven't turned around saying there will be a player there if the players are in bubbles well maybe not a player but you know I think Gleym Sharp was there wasn't he Big Neff was but there was no there was no one announced that Big Neff that Neff was going to be there so no one said Neffle Southwood is going to be at this event so why though why did he not confirm to the morning before or the day before why aren't you telling people that probably the greatest ever player to play for Everton you know, pal for pal is there and you're not telling people these things that's what drives me mad I'm not saying that other people I understand the COVID situation but they are the things that drive me mentally is that you have got Neffle Southwood there people will want to meet him why aren't we shouting from the roof the club just I just think under we have such a mad fan base and this will move on to the next thing we have such a mad fan base and a lot of our fan base just will mown all week and they will help out and they will do things that's why Everton community is such a big thing because if it we didn't have fans who pushed it forward it wouldn't go anyway and the club use it as well as a way for them to push their own brand I just think there's events that and I just feel like that there's opportunities out there but let's talk about the home and away ticker to being a big thing so we started with the home ones obviously the resale platform is the big one that got brought in this year which brilliance by the way so to be honest we've had a lot of people complaining they will stub up to us because people aren't going to tell you things work well are they if fans were getting tickets at 10, 15 quid they're not going to say that to anyone are they it's only when people profit here out of it and potentially sell four tickets at that pace of the season ticket so we were pushing for an in-house platform for a while and we're glad it's there there's obviously a few teething problems I think one of them is the push notifications if you like so once you've listed it and it's being sold everyone should be all informed the seller knows, the buyer knows I think there's been a bit of a manual process at the moment so the seller is aware that it has been sold they're hoping to have that resolved by November and we're being pushing for the families and friends piece now at the moment personally I went for a physical card because I work away quite a bit and I'd rather just give it to me make to go now if there was an option for the friends and family then potentially I would have got to digital one and then we'd make and use it that way so we're being pushing that hard and as you say there's other clubs in the city who do that I honest I thought when I went for a digital card because I paid extra I thought I'd have both because to me if you're paying extra for a card why can't I have the digital copy as well of it so I've found that a little bit strange that I didn't get I didn't get the option I didn't get both for that reason as well so that if I did my sister sits next to me she has to be very careful she's had a brain tumour she has to be very careful about going on the match I think she's only been to one game so far this season and I think she got a little bit spooked by being there so she will sell a tick it on but if she wants she has a card but if she there's a second time straight away where she can pass that card if she needs to but she can put on the resell there's going to be other people at the moment because of COVID who are very very wary of going on the game especially because a 12 months of basketball wasn't on the card that was one of the things to be mentioned but do you know what the we are where we are I think there's builds that are planned for it so that the friends and family option will hopefully be coming online soon in terms of concessions because at the moment if you're buying it you have to pay an adult fare so an adult walk up price the hope for that to be resolved sort of early 2022 there's a lot of sort of moving parts and we're continually raising these points to the club that say do this, do that, do that and hopefully by the end of the season will you get to a better place I do give the club the benefit of the doubt on this one because of course we are just coming out of COVID you know they only got back into the live of buildings I think the first week of the season a lot of face-to-face meetings where things genuinely happen and people working from home and stuff like that it can be you don't always get that point across I see that from my Mrs banging her head against the table every single day and she's you know my Mrs said to me at 9 o'clock in the morning and then she had another four meetings and when by the time she got to bed she forgot what happened in the 9 o'clock meeting because it's just so relentless at the moment so I can appreciate that and obviously changing over as well doing the new ticket issue it'll get there and going back to what you were saying before as well about Stubbub I agree with you in a way there was a lot of good stuff about Stubbub and saying with the cheap tickets but the fact that they'd never put a cap on top tickets always was the thing and both people paid a fee and now nobody pays a fee so you can't profit here because you're only going to make your pro-rata money back so hopefully that that might have resulted with fans getting rid of tickets if they did have multiple ones to make money out of so obviously I think that's less of a problem at the moment the home tickets are probably the biggest if I go on social media they probably are the biggest issue amongst amongst fans of course we have a brilliant away following 3,000 a lot of places we sell out, no matter wherever it is but that brings its own problems that brings obviously the fact that people can't get on and it's becoming such an issue of people and listen the people who go over the matter every week they away matters and have seen us win 2 or 3 games they still going every week and you can't get away from that it's such a difficult situation we're not getting involved with the allocation process at all what we're trying to do is make it easier for fans to buy these away tickets so at the moment it's a 10 o'clock opening of the window when that's walk-up, telephone or online sales we've expressed the opinion that a lot of people work routine business hours the 10 o'clock is not ideal so it can be moved back to 8 o'clock and the club have turned around and said they're going to do their due diligence on it I believe it's due to third party support but it doesn't even have to happen for every wave it could just be for the initial one whether that's 20 stubs 18 stubs whatever for that one day it starts at 8 o'clock and then the fans who have got the max credits can get on there before they start work that's one of the areas that we've been pushing for we've also suggested a few other ideas so supporters clubs for example when they buy them for their members who have got enough credits they can reply for that in advance of the window opening now they're not jumping the cube because their members already have the right amount of credits so it's just a case of if that's going to be the case and it's 16 stubs for this first initial wave would there be an opportunity for fans who are travelling independently or who aren't part of supporters clubs to express that intent as well the day before the window opens pre-sale if it's going to be a 10 o'clock window look at the pre-sale if it's going to go to the 8 o'clock window potentially you don't have to it's about representing everyone so there's people who travel as form groups and there's individuals who travel as well I think I think from the away tickets I think the neck we've seen obviously we're going to start going to digital everywhere away grants are going to go to digital and I think that is going to solve my biggest problem with away tickets is hoarding that's the biggest problem and I've said it before and I'll say it again that's the problem that needs to be sorted out it's fans buying credits and then selling them to other people and I think that that is the thing that needs to be addressed and for that to be addressed I'd argue that that has to be across group process so not just a forum there's an accessible ticket to do ads there the supporters club committee there's a lot of groups who have vested interest within that process so if anything is going to change I'm not going to turn around to chair the forum and say we're going to change it this is such a hot topic because that away support is but it also feels like a different thing at times it feels like its own entity at times and it is hard because it's so tribal the away thing and I do try and stay away from it a lot of the time because I don't go to a lot of away games but that's because it's impossible to get on the ladder but it is that hoarding because people then go well I'll get a ticket or so and then that has to be the... I think that the fair part of the process at the moment is the reward for going to away games or buying away tickets is the credit and that's one thing that has to stay people who go to match get the credit get the early option to buy the tickets absolutely it can't become a lottery it just can't because then there's people who've worked really hard for years and years I've gone through everything I've gone through everything bad but whatever I'm paying a fortune I've gone back to where the nauties are now I was paying 62 quid to go to Chelsea that's part of 20 years ago and all that's going to happen is those clubs are going to start trying to squeeze that allocation smaller because they know you're paying £30 we could double that with the home fan so it's going to be harder and harder I think everyone has to face that problem because as tickets become digital and people can't pass them on that's an issue you need to just get ahead of but you say that as well so ManU went last pre-season friendly digital ticket sent through by ManUnited you downloaded the QR code ManU'd the other day it was a paper ticket then you look at Brighton Brighton digital tickets but it's not a digital ticket that you have on your phone it's emailed to you and you have to print it off so there is no I think maybe that's something that needs to happen on a national level where there has to be some consistency with the await tickets not every club will face the same problems we do some will but not all maybe that's where clubs need to get together it is and to be honest I can't speak for the clubs but certainly in terms of support groups it's part of the football sports association we have regular dialogue with the Premier League and that's one of the areas we've been mentioning the whole digital ticket issue area is a bit of a hot topic at the minute because the clubs are doing it in different ways there's no sort of consistency there and it's obviously very new as well I didn't make it to that ManUnited again because I was out with you on the night before at least you stayed tried that night let's talk about Evertonians against hate so this is something that the fans have been talking about as well yeah so this is something that as a forum we started that campaign the season and we started off for the first match with pictures of fans taking a knee and showing solidarity for our players we're sort of developing that further now we're trying to keep it topical as well for Sunday's programme for example Andy Vaid and one of our forum members has written an article on me use sort of linking in with the heritage society and it's based on former players who were black obviously black history month moving into sort of November there's a couple of accessibility disabled groups and that is the whole LGBT side as well so we're just trying to make sure that stays current and also demonstrates that as a fan base we stick out for each other yeah and of course Dave from the Bobbler he was meeting the forum he put the moist king banner up a couple of years ago and obviously that made a lot of noise and it's little things like that isn't it that just generates and stuff like that it chose the club in such a good light as well the banners I always love the banners in the glass I mean I can't see them because I'm behind them they watched a big jump a tron don't even know what it looked like but yeah of course anything like that like you just said Dave it's important that that message keep on airing people going why are they still taking the knee and all this ask the hungry fans while they're taking the knee or ask the stewards at Wembley who took a bit of a kick on the other day you've got to keep it because the minute you don't the minute it goes away the problem hasn't gone away of course the problem but you keep on highlighting it and as a football club you keep on highlighting it and it's important that message gets through whether it be in the programme because let's be honest we grew up when Daniel Amacachee came it was like it was this guy substituting himself on and all sort of but we remember that we were old enough to remember it I remember walking out of Leicester the way in 2001 I was there mate I've been a child in a way late 90s and people question me why are you an Everton fan and this isn't the way end but we have moved on and as a city we are very sort of and of course we want to encourage more we want to encourage more fans from diverse backgrounds to be fans of Everton football to be GT and stuff like that why don't you sell more of those shits lose a demand for them so we've raised that as well obviously it's a fan line as well isn't it because a lot of them got auctions some of them ended up on eBay as well but the fans ones that got auctions have people kind of fortune for that but people always pay a fortune for stuff like that because it's got the number on it it's been signed by a player and people always pay a fortune for stuff God you only have to go to an Everton night and see a couple of people put their hands up when the auction happens people will pay a lot of money for Everton stuff you know so no that's all really important finally Everton giants you've been discussed a bit about the process obviously we're coming into the last two or three years of gooderson park and obviously anyone walks down gooderson road we'll see the Everton giants plaques and stuff like that so again this came through Twitter where we got tagged in a comment and basically with the Hall of Fame a player getting ducted every year but we're turning around and saying there's an opportunity now because we had the millennium giants let's do the gooderson giants it's the last few years we've got an opportunity now to permanently recognise a group of players before we move home so the club have turned around saying that it's something that they're working on they're going to bring us into the process and we're up to speed and how it happens and if there's an opportunity then to push out to the fan base so the fans can suggest names and likes them at least that's something else that we can take forward as well fantastic because we all love recognising our players we make a big deal of it that's going to be an interesting one because we've all got our favourites and obviously and for the person it's nice to see some of the more recent players because at the moment a lot of our legends are from the 80s to 90s but also though you've just mentioned it yourself someone like Daniel Amacati he comes to the club he makes a fundamental change to the things that have happened at the club but also makes a fundamental change to something that happens on the pitch as well and it's there's a possibility there to tie two things together what did this person do for our football club in terms of moving it on and also it's and I might never make the yearly Hall of Fame nominee but if there's an opportunity for the next three seasons of getting five or six into these goodness and giants then he may well do Interesting I'm sure people will have their favour so if you want to hear more of what's going on in the fans forum make sure to check out the fans forum podcast as well which you can find in all the podcasty places make sure to check out that we're going to have jazz or Dave or whoever on once a month to discuss everything they've been talking about so make sure you check that out so being great loads of different stuff, loads of different topics these are the things that people want to talk about so absolutely and if anybody does have any ideas but we've got a section on the club website it's got our email addresses on there we're on the free main social channel so your Facebook, Twitter and Instagram as well we'll have a link in the description so there on Twitter you can just batter them I think the ale I'm still getting grief now when I applied to join the forum all that get us a goodison and it's only in the lounges but at least it is in goodison well I'll tell you what the next one you might want to deal with I think could be an interesting topic is the safe standing so just on that really so the deadline's gone now but the deadline was after our last meeting I think five or six clubs have opted for the rail seat as opposed to the safe standing find margins there but Everton Abasey said there's going to be no submission for goodison because it's part of the planning process for brand new more leave it at that mate you sound of fixing all the lounges aren't you give all the lounges brand new lounges what about the... I didn't bring them Guinness they already had it he got it all the lounges and he put all nice new lounges it's in the loudest way it doesn't sit with Bill that's me there you go big thanks for joining us make sure to give this video a like subscribe if you want more great videos check us out on page and the link is in the description and if you want more on the fans phone there'll be a link in the description as well see you later